Half in the Bag: Ghostbusters: Afterlife (SPOILERS)

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  • čas přidán 20. 11. 2021
  • Mike, Jay and Rich Evans talk about the third sequel to the classic perfect comedy film Ghostbusters. If at first you succeed, fail, fail, and fail again! But this one's got kids in it.
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  • @zanefriedman2032
    @zanefriedman2032 Před 2 lety +2028

    No one's ever really Egon.

  • @THATGuy5654
    @THATGuy5654 Před 2 lety +4632

    Let's all be honest with ourselves here: The original Ghostbusters ran around with unregulated nuclear devices on their backs for hours every day for years. None of them were ever going to have offspring.

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 Před 2 lety +370

      And if they did they wouldn’t look like McKenna Grace and Finn Wolfhard.

    • @TheLakabanzaichrg
      @TheLakabanzaichrg Před 2 lety +161

      Outside of Winston i don't see anyone of them settling down

    • @dash4800
      @dash4800 Před 2 lety +233

      @@oneinathousand2156 I mean, they might look like Finn Wolfhard. That dude has a face for radio.

    • @PatricksCrazyPlace
      @PatricksCrazyPlace Před 2 lety +77

      But its okay. Egon moved out of the way on the elevator. He should have been fine, lol.

    • @JayFreely
      @JayFreely Před 2 lety +65

      @@dash4800 Finn wolfhard isn't what I'd call ugly in the slightest.

  • @benjamingese549
    @benjamingese549 Před rokem +945

    I have an idea for the next Ghostbusters film. There will be four college age kids. There's a nerdy brainiac girl, a preppy model girl, a jock, and a stoner and his dog. They drive around in their van and investigate hauntings and mysteries. It's a work in progress but it might have potential.

    • @mrscruffles801
      @mrscruffles801 Před rokem +68

      That could work. Gonna need a laugh track or this idea will never get off the ground.

    • @jamesmcqueary6233
      @jamesmcqueary6233 Před rokem +64

      I have a name for your idea!
      Ghostbusters: the next generation!

    • @Puerco-Potter
      @Puerco-Potter Před rokem +52

      That will never work, kids don't like dogs, unless they talk.

    • @DragonTamer31K
      @DragonTamer31K Před rokem +51

      I doubt a dumb idea like that could make 14 tv series, 45 movies and 6 tv films

    • @christinson1024
      @christinson1024 Před rokem +17

      You should add a goofy chase scene that uses some kind of current music.

  • @thefinestsake1660
    @thefinestsake1660 Před rokem +212

    "Nostalgia Bukkake" is now forever burned into my lexicon

  • @flibbittygibbitt
    @flibbittygibbitt Před 2 lety +3404

    Bill Murray at this point has two moods; suicidal and Wes Anderson.

    • @theactualTVB
      @theactualTVB Před 2 lety +314

      ...and also regretting his role as Garfield in the live-action Garfield duology

    • @MickHaggs
      @MickHaggs Před 2 lety +91

      What's the difference?

    • @flibbittygibbitt
      @flibbittygibbitt Před 2 lety +380

      @@MickHaggs The difference is that with Wes Anderson, he's happy. If Wes Anderson made Resident Evil movies, Bill Murray would be his Mila Jovovich.

    • @Corbomite_Meatballs
      @Corbomite_Meatballs Před 2 lety +42

      @@flibbittygibbitt With less skin-tight clothing and/or nudity.

    • @RevengeOfMoctezuma
      @RevengeOfMoctezuma Před 2 lety +185

      @@Corbomite_Meatballs I think you meant "more".

  • @VanNicky75
    @VanNicky75 Před 2 lety +5959

    In 30 years I’ll be dragging my kids to see Half in the Bag: Another Round and forcing them to play with my Mike and Jay toys.

    • @timothy1701
      @timothy1701 Před 2 lety +544

      The Rich Evans toys will all be recalled due to unspecified dangers

    • @Right-Wing-Meth-Squad
      @Right-Wing-Meth-Squad Před 2 lety +53

      just wait for them to completely sell out and become hack frauds.

    • @BigFingerRo
      @BigFingerRo Před 2 lety +250

      *"RLM! I FUCKING LOVE RLM! FUCKING RLM!"*

    • @toastonline4
      @toastonline4 Před 2 lety +202

      “Surprise Surprise, it’s Rich Evans in disguise!”

    • @josephhoward9631
      @josephhoward9631 Před 2 lety +259

      Remember Mr Plinket being a deranged maniac? Remember the gay wedding arc? Remember when they actually had customers besides Plinket? Remember "who wants a pizza roll?" Remember "WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAACE?"
      George Lucas and other studio execs remember.

  • @sinjin8576
    @sinjin8576 Před 2 lety +530

    "Cocaine is sorely missing from the movie."
    Honestly this is really what's wrong with hollywood. Too much clout and not even cocaine.

    • @17thshard62
      @17thshard62 Před 2 lety +20

      All the good writers have moved over to streaming services, as long as you satisfy whatever oblique set of instructions Netflix or HBO desire of the show you can explore a theme far better on a TV show than a movie.

    • @Trendyflute
      @Trendyflute Před 2 lety +14

      A lot of movie and TV production moved to Atlanta when they heard there was a huge Coke factory there...

    • @WK-47
      @WK-47 Před 2 lety +16

      This, with only a hint of sarcasm. At least if everyone was on coke again then ridiculous (but not self-aware) pitches would not only get made but also green lit. The industry's in such a state, it's like they're not even sober, they're off their meds.

    • @dansmith1661
      @dansmith1661 Před rokem +3

      They got the child "actors" done right. Groomed them well even.

    • @schizophrenic_AI
      @schizophrenic_AI Před rokem +11

      This is the best and most salient take. The absence of cocaine and it’s consequences have been a disaster for American cinema.
      I just watched Fletch again and it’s still amazing but it would be nothing if it wasn’t for the use and abuse of cocaine by Chevy and at least the writer and director.

  • @cameron2069
    @cameron2069 Před 2 lety +475

    Paul Rudd getting chased into the parking lot and then raptured by a literal dog from hell is a relatively generous depiction of Walmart-related incidents, should you have any doubt they had their hands in that scene.

  • @ao1778
    @ao1778 Před 2 lety +5399

    As John Carpenter put it, the reason for all of these remakes is because studios save a fuckton of money on advertising when they dredge up a product with built-in name recognition.

    • @calebplerry9664
      @calebplerry9664 Před 2 lety +214

      cant wait til they ruin the thing again

    • @disturbedone8731
      @disturbedone8731 Před 2 lety +29

      This wasn't a remake

    • @Corbomite_Meatballs
      @Corbomite_Meatballs Před 2 lety +333

      @@disturbedone8731 It was a remake of a concept from a reboot of a sequel.

    • @ALB232
      @ALB232 Před 2 lety +162

      @@Corbomite_Meatballs a seaboot

    • @rebel4466
      @rebel4466 Před 2 lety +186

      Can't blame Hollywood if it makes them money. People are still running to get tickets for the 7000th superhero movie and all the reboots that can be made of something.
      Sadly it's the fault of the audience

  • @gtwrmw1978
    @gtwrmw1978 Před 2 lety +1703

    Mike nailing it on the head: "The proton packs, light sabers, the fucking Delorean, [were] always in service of a story and characters. And now it's like the opposite; the characters are in service of the tech."

    • @stillvisionsmusic
      @stillvisionsmusic Před 2 lety +97

      The props can’t demand a higher salary in the sequel; better to anchor to the IP they own outright.

    • @rossross9281
      @rossross9281 Před 2 lety +75

      Also think of the endless plastic shit they can sell to the man babies.
      On a side not are they ever releasing RLM action figures? Maybe a plinketts house play set?

    • @MegamaXX500
      @MegamaXX500 Před 2 lety +51

      The fact is, that era of filmmaking is dead and gone, everything now is a CGI behemoth and they only look for the profit centers. Nevermind the fact that ghostbusters probably wont really work in present times, whether with an all woman cast or an all kids cast, they know that the lightsaber and the proton pack were 80s gold that they can sell to kids and adults again. Its so weird how they're basically trying to mind wipe everyone into reverting to an 80s shopping spree, like we're all going to go crazy trying to buy all the he man and star wars figurines at the toy barn.

    • @zetsuyoru662
      @zetsuyoru662 Před 2 lety +24

      That's what moron studio execs don't realise. They reason people like the stuff in movies is because they obsese with the film not the bits. That stuff comes after the love for the film to feel more connected. Now they want the connection straight away and it's hollow

    • @khaddict7
      @khaddict7 Před 2 lety +14

      @@MegamaXX500 You must only watch massive summer block busters. The best movies I've ever seen have been in the last 3 years. You've probably never heard of them.

  • @billybois5745
    @billybois5745 Před 2 lety +485

    "I, like any manchild, have thought about what would you do for Ghostbusters 3"
    The answer is a good videogame, a cult classic

    • @MegaZeta
      @MegaZeta Před 2 lety +44

      The answer for like over twenty years at this point has been "Don't make Ghostbusters 3"

    • @hitomisalazar4073
      @hitomisalazar4073 Před rokem +8

      Or Extreme Ghostbusters, which I found fun myself.

    • @alexanderthesk8160
      @alexanderthesk8160 Před rokem +6

      Can you Imagine an open world, Skyrim style Ghostbusters game? You run all around New York in a sandbox built around the story cannon.

    • @killroy135
      @killroy135 Před rokem +41

      ​@Dtaysche I beg to differ. That whole game was written by Reitman, Ramis, and Aykroyd. It expands on the paranormal aspects while also having the cynical funny dialog between all the original characters. Although it being in video game form allows alot of fantastical spectacle which kinda takes away from the groundedness of ghostbusters but is more practical than filming it. Also the game's programing hampers the comedic timing slightly tho I could so easily see the jokes landing well if it were a 3rd ghostbuster film.

    • @GUNUFofficial
      @GUNUFofficial Před 11 měsíci +1

      They could just continue with the chicago ghostbusters or do what zootfly was going to do with their videogame that was cancelled because the other video game.

  • @unicyclopsgallant7698
    @unicyclopsgallant7698 Před 2 lety +268

    As a child, I only ever watched Ghostbusters on VHS and a crappy 13" tv...I had no idea Peter was passing Egon a Crunch Bar...I thought he was giving him money.

    • @jasonorriss
      @jasonorriss Před rokem +12

      Me too!

    • @unicyclopsgallant7698
      @unicyclopsgallant7698 Před rokem +6

      @@kamikazetsunami9137 Nah, we never reached that level at my house.

    • @jizzmoat6520
      @jizzmoat6520 Před 11 měsíci +14

      You didn't... But your brain did.

    • @heetsees
      @heetsees Před 6 měsíci +2

      And even though you couldn't comprehend what you were experiencing you understood the first film was a master of art.

    • @josiahbahuaud2294
      @josiahbahuaud2294 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Same. I thought I’d missed a bet somewhere, or it had been cut for some reason.

  • @wjlasloThe2nd
    @wjlasloThe2nd Před 2 lety +904

    "there are not characters in this movie, there are pawns"
    *cue Ishtar trailer*

    • @redsands1001
      @redsands1001 Před 2 lety +21

      I have watched many videos about Ishtar but have not brought myself to watch it lol

    • @bluefalcon04
      @bluefalcon04 Před 2 lety +3

      I thought the exact same thing!

    • @samwoodson9603
      @samwoodson9603 Před 2 lety +73

      “Three, two, three, four! Four, two, three AND!”

    • @metalnut92
      @metalnut92 Před 2 lety +23

      @@samwoodson9603 'They were just a couple of parapsychologists...'

    • @shoestringmovies6530
      @shoestringmovies6530 Před 2 lety +13

      “they were a couple of songwriters”

  • @OscarRodriguezGuitar
    @OscarRodriguezGuitar Před 2 lety +1080

    “The ghosts, the proton packs..it’s all true.”
    “Venkman, we’re home.”

    • @ebi_tempura
      @ebi_tempura Před 2 lety +61

      "people only started looking for the ghostbusters after they dissapeared"

    • @Mortyee
      @Mortyee Před 2 lety +8

      @Stella Hoenheim *SNORT*

    • @boomanchu2
      @boomanchu2 Před 2 lety +78

      @@ebi_tempura "Here's a map that Egon left in case we need him. He doesn't want to be found by anyone."

    • @Wapaz
      @Wapaz Před 2 lety +55

      "Somehow, the ghostbusters returned"

    • @wmwinterbottom
      @wmwinterbottom Před 2 lety +28

      @@Wapaz they float now?! They float now.

  • @Name-ot3xw
    @Name-ot3xw Před rokem +212

    Ghostbusters 3 is that one video game where you play the new guy and get stuck in on a interdimensional adventure on your first day.

    • @aab350z
      @aab350z Před rokem +21

      That was better than the stranger things remake they just did.

    • @brianschlicher59
      @brianschlicher59 Před rokem +18

      You just get done learning how to use a proton pack, and next thing you now you're fighting the grey lady in some alternative dimension library. Crazy first day.

    • @yourbrainonegg159
      @yourbrainonegg159 Před rokem +14

      You fight book golems it's magic

    • @thatoneantoid51
      @thatoneantoid51 Před rokem +9

      That was one of my first 360 games.
      Good times man.

  • @TheBBQify
    @TheBBQify Před 8 měsíci +110

    4:31 "There are not characters in this movie, there are pawns, " is not only an all time RLM quote, but an all time quote for cynical movie reviews in general

    • @Melody_Raventress
      @Melody_Raventress Před 6 měsíci +9

      I don't know "nostalgia is the new cocaine" has a certain ring...

    • @crackstuntman22
      @crackstuntman22 Před 6 měsíci +20

      These men are PAWNS

    • @nijnij3988
      @nijnij3988 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @crackstuntman2261 Thank you!! That trailer started playing on a loop in my head as soon as soon as Jay said that

  • @CaptainPRESIDENT
    @CaptainPRESIDENT Před 2 lety +510

    Nerd Crew member: "Do you think a Egon with a proton pack could beat Vader with a lightsaber?"

    • @harvesterofstorms4932
      @harvesterofstorms4932 Před 2 lety +56

      Alriiiiight! Let’s give it up for the proton packs!
      *proceeds to clap for five whole minutes*

    • @skeletingking
      @skeletingking Před 2 lety +44

      @@harvesterofstorms4932 "Very cool. Very cool."
      "Very cool."

    • @ProtoTypeFM
      @ProtoTypeFM Před 2 lety +12

      you could literally ask this on r/whowouldwin

    • @tangmcgame
      @tangmcgame Před 2 lety +18

      Followup question: Do you think Egon with a lightsaber could beat Vader with a proton pack?

    • @markcubanz43
      @markcubanz43 Před 2 lety +9

      Depends if it’s a ghostbusters or Star Wars movie

  • @297fihsy
    @297fihsy Před 2 lety +940

    Bill Murray’s relationship with Ghostbusters today is incredibly similar to Harrison Ford’s with Star Wars

    • @alexandermutsaers2693
      @alexandermutsaers2693 Před 2 lety +80

      No role is too big, no acting contract is too big

    • @occamsrazor4370
      @occamsrazor4370 Před 2 lety +7

      Exactly, “let me off this train right now!”

    • @ravenkarlin
      @ravenkarlin Před 2 lety +90

      @@charlesrense5199 the thing is though he likes Indy. He’s said that Indy is his favorite character to play. And he actually looked like he gave a shit about acting with 2049. That scene where he’s looking at Rachel and sheds a tear or when he sees his daughter, he is genuinely great and seems like he cares as well because he gets to actually act. Han Solo just gave him nothing to work with. The reason we love Han Solo is because it’s pretty much just Harrison Ford. Han is one of my favorite Star Wars characters ever but if that was the character I had to play for 40 years, I’d be pissed off too, because there’s not much “acting” with Han. Deckard and Indy have way more scenes of an actor having to actually act.

    • @Sealdeam
      @Sealdeam Před 2 lety +9

      @@charlesrense5199 or a Presumed Innocent sequel with a cast of CGI versions of Raul Julia, Brian Dennehy, Paul Winfield and John Spencer in a plot actually based on the sequels of the original book in which the same damn thing happens to the main character 20 years in the future.

    • @satanprichazi2338
      @satanprichazi2338 Před 2 lety +18

      I think the main difference is that Star Wars got bad cuz of of soulless branding. Harrison Ford got jaded because he saw it coming. Ghostbusters started to suck because Bill Murray killed any possibility of preventing that. Now he's gonna spend the rest of his life getting jerked around by corporate douche bags and he knows it's his own fault.

  • @Flounderpounder420
    @Flounderpounder420 Před 2 lety +522

    I was really hoping at the end the granddaughter says “No ghost can escape my busting” then shoots Egon and traps him. Cut to the faces of the other original ghost busters with their jaws dropped and Bill Murray says “What the f-“ and it ends

    • @charlottecorday8494
      @charlottecorday8494 Před 2 lety +78

      Why is everyone every single comment on here a better movie than the one we got? I don't think I've ever seen that before

    • @kevinirmiter3669
      @kevinirmiter3669 Před rokem +48

      No before it ends she shouls also say "that made me feel GOOD."

    • @mrbee4life182
      @mrbee4life182 Před rokem +16

      That would be too smart for them to come up with 😉

    • @Tetragrammaton22
      @Tetragrammaton22 Před rokem +4

      Funhaus/Roosterteeth did that in a short skit many moons ago.

    • @JeanMarceaux
      @JeanMarceaux Před 10 měsíci +2

      "Its ghost bustin time" and then she busted ghost all over the old guys

  • @johnnysokko2004
    @johnnysokko2004 Před 5 měsíci +21

    “Nostalgia Bukake” is the name of my next band.

  • @baldvergil820
    @baldvergil820 Před 2 lety +335

    "I've never been a fanboy, I've liked stuff." - Mike "this reminds me of Star Trek" Stoklasa

    • @TubeEamo
      @TubeEamo Před 2 lety +19

      Immediately mentions the awful Picard series he hated after he says it too lol.

    • @jasonlee186
      @jasonlee186 Před 2 lety +11

      He’s a purist tho and has a multi-layered personality. Unlike people who completely identify with a singular IP and gave up their individuality

    • @RustyMuck
      @RustyMuck Před 2 lety +2

      Reminds me of that one episode of _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ where they accidentally create Professor Moriarity

    • @chadhartsees
      @chadhartsees Před 2 lety +3

      Nah, Mike is a fan, not a fanboy. Mike can call out the bull%^ and inconsistency in Star Trek. A fanboy will deny and head-canon you to death.

    • @glitchedoom
      @glitchedoom Před 2 lety +2

      Nah, Star Trek isn't Mike's entire personality. That's alcohol's job.

  • @daspooperidunncurr8379
    @daspooperidunncurr8379 Před 2 lety +284

    "to be fair, I don't know if ernie hudson ever takes off his jumpsuit in real life."
    -jay while wearing his lightning fast vc . . . oooooooh

    • @Thecatdrums3
      @Thecatdrums3 Před 2 lety +2

      It’s like the costume department did the wardrobe to match the character!

  • @bobcharlotte8724
    @bobcharlotte8724 Před 2 lety +92

    "Nostalgia is the new cocaine.". No truer statement.

    • @Molotov_Milkshake
      @Molotov_Milkshake Před rokem +2

      Doesn't feel anywhere near as good.

    • @exquize1660
      @exquize1660 Před rokem

      Nah, never was new, people are always on nostalium since the dawn of time.

    • @ginogatash4030
      @ginogatash4030 Před rokem +4

      @@exquize1660 yeah but nowadays it's undeniably the most commercialised it has ever been.

  • @Insert_handle_name_here
    @Insert_handle_name_here Před 6 měsíci +12

    “The reason they keep screwing up sequels is they are literally beating a dead horse and this is a conversation we probably would have been really excited about 20 years ago. But now it’s like literally a shell of something that only people over 40 remember and it’s now some kind of twisted, weird version of itself that isn’t even worth wasting our breath on.” - Mike
    If that doesn’t encapsulate the sentiment about this whole Reboot Culture, I don’t know what does.

  • @carlosdario9810
    @carlosdario9810 Před 2 lety +1525

    So they don’t remember the Snyder cut being discussed in the black void? That’s the most redlettermedia thing ever

  • @seventhson2151
    @seventhson2151 Před 2 lety +621

    The Ghostbusters video game from 2009 was basically the real Ghostbusters 3, the original actors voiced the characters and Aykroyd and Ramis wrote the story.

    • @Case_
      @Case_ Před 2 lety +57

      Except for the mute "Rookie" character (aka the player) awkwardly shoehorned in. But yeah, that was indeed the true Ghostbusters sequel.

    • @MrEd8846
      @MrEd8846 Před 2 lety +18

      tbh i think this ghostbusters movie was meant to please people who say theyre ghostbusters fans because they more than likely saw the cartoon growing up more than the movie. basically people my age or slightly older who saw the cartoon and the toys. but what do you expect from Sony?

    • @maintaint3003
      @maintaint3003 Před 2 lety +8

      This is true, although I think they didn't write the whole story. I remember Aykroyd and Ramis are credited with "script doctoring".

    • @reazonuk2362
      @reazonuk2362 Před 2 lety +6

      And thank God it was just a game , coz it was more of a copy of the 1st movie than afterlife is. Garbage.

    • @the503creepout7
      @the503creepout7 Před 2 lety +20

      Can we all just agree yet that Ghostbusters 2 was actually pretty good? No, it's not nearly as good as the first(one of the greatest films ever made) but if u compare it to GB'16 & Afterlife... it's memorable & a lot of fun.

  • @skeletonwizard708
    @skeletonwizard708 Před rokem +208

    "Everyone who comes out says it was a real tearjerker, which is a great sign for a comedy", say what you will about Bill Murray, but the man cut right to the heart of everything wrong with modern media in one knife thrust.

    • @trumantheodorefruitty596
      @trumantheodorefruitty596 Před 6 měsíci +15

      The actual quote is, “Everyone one that has seen it says that they cry at the movie, so it should be an extremely successful comedy.”
      Don’t use quotation marks if you’re going to paraphrase.

    • @Tester-sh1mn
      @Tester-sh1mn Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@trumantheodorefruitty596 Erm atucaully that was a "Scare quote"... hardy hah hah.

  • @directrix1
    @directrix1 Před 2 lety +58

    RIP Betty White. I can't wait for the Golden Girls sequel where they all come back as CGI ghosts.

    • @anubusx
      @anubusx Před 2 lety +6

      The Golden Ghost Girls.

    • @Sum_Yousah
      @Sum_Yousah Před 4 měsíci

      They'll get AI'ed, like it or not.

  • @jseeker1867
    @jseeker1867 Před 2 lety +785

    "There are not characters in this movie, there are pawns" is one of the most brutal things I've heard come out of Jay's mouth.

    • @shponglemcdongle5387
      @shponglemcdongle5387 Před 2 lety +162

      THREW TWO THREE FOUR FOUR TWO THREE AND...

    • @PizzaTimeGamingChannel
      @PizzaTimeGamingChannel Před 2 lety +97

      @@shponglemcdongle5387 They were just a couple of songwriters...

    • @jonlomax5035
      @jonlomax5035 Před 2 lety +104

      THESE MEN ARE PAWNS

    • @LadyTylerBioRodriguez
      @LadyTylerBioRodriguez Před 2 lety +56

      I was waiting for someone to mention Ishtar.

    • @aserta
      @aserta Před 2 lety +22

      Has to be one of the most brutal ways i've seen a movie get reality checked. I've heard the "no character in that character", i've heard the "no development" or "no personality", "rubber duck character", but to outright call them "pawns", i was like, it's already dead, please, mercy.

  • @trenchardjj
    @trenchardjj Před 2 lety +687

    Jay acting like Dan Akroyd wouldn't start taking to strangers about ghosts is almost as odd as Dan is himself.

    • @alexsilva28
      @alexsilva28 Před 2 lety +2

      That's what I thought while watching this. In all honesty that's just what he would do irl

  • @vagner995
    @vagner995 Před 2 lety +99

    I still can only think of the Ishtar trailer everytime they say "Pawns!". Especially when Jay says it for the first time. I fully expected a cut to the Ishtar trailer.

    • @MegaZeta
      @MegaZeta Před 2 lety +4

      Best comment on this video so far

  • @TheHurtubise
    @TheHurtubise Před 2 lety +63

    I hated that the young girl could wear the proton pack with no struggle. The thing would weigh upwards of 50 pounds. Also that the kids put on the Ghostbusters uniform and they fit. The uniforms were for mostly overweight men in their late 30s.

    • @leecroft7311
      @leecroft7311 Před rokem +1

      Wait... how the hell didn't i notice any of that. So true what you said, oh my god 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @dansmith1661
      @dansmith1661 Před rokem +2

      The kick from the energy being shot out would break bones as well. It was not at all kid friendly.

  • @McKack
    @McKack Před 2 lety +906

    Wow, Jay's cosplay of Jay is uncanny.

    • @joejoe2658
      @joejoe2658 Před 2 lety +7

      ...uncanny valley

    • @bennygerow
      @bennygerow Před 2 lety +7

      There's Academy talk

    • @deathsyth8888
      @deathsyth8888 Před 2 lety +3

      He really pulls it off well.

    • @mattkrause1573
      @mattkrause1573 Před 2 lety +3

      Mike's Ghoaast shirt is almost a cosplay as well

    • @larrylaffer3246
      @larrylaffer3246 Před 2 lety +3

      Jay Bauman is Jay in: Half of The Bag. "Guest Appearance by Rich Evans as Mr. Plinkett."

  • @VidalMoon
    @VidalMoon Před 2 lety +252

    "We've been saying Betty White jokes for years now. She is Immortal" Really tempting fate here guys.

  • @sedghammer
    @sedghammer Před 2 lety +150

    I like Ghostbusters 1 for the same reason I like RedLetterMedia. A bunch of cynical men got together for comedic effect. Definitely side with Mike on that.

  • @recnepsrc
    @recnepsrc Před 2 lety +188

    I'll say one thing for this movie: I appreciate that there were more practical effects than I initially guessed there would be.

    • @melnickmultimedia
      @melnickmultimedia Před 2 lety +35

      I honestly liked the movie overall. The Redletter guys just seem too cynical for me nowadays I guess.

    • @nifralo2752
      @nifralo2752 Před 2 lety +29

      @@melnickmultimedia the whole movie is cynical tbf

    • @TheVCRTimeMachine
      @TheVCRTimeMachine Před 2 lety +28

      @@melnickmultimedia Cynicism is what has always driven their channel. They have been spot on with a lot of their reviews, but they forgot how to have fun at the movies.

    • @melnickmultimedia
      @melnickmultimedia Před 2 lety +3

      @@TheVCRTimeMachine Totally agree with you!

    • @TheElectricMayhem
      @TheElectricMayhem Před 2 lety

      The reuse to the purple wispy spirits was really nice to see. It was my favorite load in the nostalgia bukkake. Right ahead of the sounds of the proton packs firing up, or the Echo 1 siren.

  • @dalochie
    @dalochie Před 2 lety +594

    Mike: This film wasn't enough of a comedy.
    Also Mike: Make the grandaughter a drug addict and turn the setting into Rob Zombie's Halloween.

    • @slammydunk9787
      @slammydunk9787 Před 2 lety +78

      Because it would be fuckn hilarious

    • @jamestangoace2193
      @jamestangoace2193 Před 2 lety +17

      The duality of man

    • @colingunn5227
      @colingunn5227 Před 2 lety +6

      @@charlesrense5199 yeah, I'm also from the 90s I've lived and worked with junkie comedies, actually kinda a good time

    • @patrickflanagan3762
      @patrickflanagan3762 Před 2 lety +6

      @Lassi Kinnunen 81 "Making people laugh is the lowest form of comedy." - Michael O'Donoghue

    • @dutchpotato3557
      @dutchpotato3557 Před 2 lety +3

      Never seen always sunny huh?

  • @Peroy1
    @Peroy1 Před 2 lety +483

    An alcoholic deadbeat mother with an drug addicted 17 years old daughter who inherits the franchise rights to the Ghostbusters, tries to make money off of it and in the end has to team up with her daughters ex-convict boyfriend to save her home village from the ghosts of evil miners sounds amazing. I want to watch THAT movie now...

    • @AngelofMusic04
      @AngelofMusic04 Před 2 lety +66

      * evil unionized miners.

    • @alexherman77
      @alexherman77 Před 2 lety +11

      Sounds like a great Rob Zombie film

    • @pl3459
      @pl3459 Před 2 lety +7

      And the daughter is trailer trash preggant and at the end of the movie it's revealed that the evil ghost villain corrupted the soul of the to be born baby so as it's born at the end it has that evil devious cheesy smile as she's holding it swaddled up rocking it and then the credits roll. That would make room for a sequel.

    • @MusicoftheDamned
      @MusicoftheDamned Před 2 lety +15

      Ironically sounds too legitimately wholesome for this timeline, where the closest things can get to "wholesome" generally try to manipulate your emotions either through glurge, nostalgia, pandering, or all of the above. Character development seems like a dead fucking art.

  • @Killer0585
    @Killer0585 Před rokem +46

    Also, Ivo Shandor being in the cave randomly would indicate he assumed Gozer would have been stopped in New York and he needed to be stored at the second gate

    • @bloodlinefilms
      @bloodlinefilms Před 6 měsíci

      shandor had a cult right? and they have his body in a case like vladimir lennon. they probably realized they couldnt leave their flat dead cult leader in a glass case in a high rise in new york so they put him in a cave/mine/ temple at the alternate location.

  • @jeffosoft
    @jeffosoft Před 2 lety +60

    Harold Ramis said in an interview once that sequels were ridiculous and that he would never do one 😬😬

    • @MegaZeta
      @MegaZeta Před 2 lety +17

      Yeah, this was clearly the foot in the door for studios holding off sequels till an actor dies, then they license the actor's likeness from their estate and put them in projects they'd never do while alive. The precedent's been set. Next time it'll be all the easier for them.

    • @lookbovine
      @lookbovine Před 2 lety +4

      Ghostbusters II begs to differ with you.

    • @dansmith1661
      @dansmith1661 Před rokem +2

      @@lookbovine Not half as good as the first. Strong rose-tinted goggles.

    • @ethankleinman1067
      @ethankleinman1067 Před rokem

      Proof?

    • @fatmanjstyle5306
      @fatmanjstyle5306 Před 2 měsíci

      I read a few of the scripts. It kinda got worse and worse. GB going to hell isn’t a bad idea but should’ve been tweaked a bit. The one with slimers origin was weird.

  • @danielbowman1986
    @danielbowman1986 Před 2 lety +376

    Mike's favorite character: The shiftless alcoholic. Mike's suggestion for the movie: more child neglect.

    • @jonnyg9865
      @jonnyg9865 Před 2 lety +9

      More like child exploitation in this case. Could be somewhat softened by the fact that the kids don't care bc they're doing what they love anyway -- building ghost hunting weapons and testing them in public. This almost sounds like the OG Bad News Bears.

    • @AzureKnight2
      @AzureKnight2 Před 2 lety +12

      I know, right? Stop trying to make bleak stories that wouldn't be any fun. Just put on your big boy pants and go to therapy like an adult.

    • @peterchrist1945
      @peterchrist1945 Před 2 lety +15

      @@AzureKnight2 it wouldn't be bleak, it would be done in a comedic over the top way if done correctly. So I guess it would be bleak

    • @AzureKnight2
      @AzureKnight2 Před 2 lety +3

      @@peterchrist1945 Some things just don't translate well to humor, IMO. It's extremely hard to make both depressing people/concepts and seeming disdain for the franchise you're going to be a part of fun and/or funny.
      Especially when it's super easy to not do that.

    • @kreatona4219
      @kreatona4219 Před 2 lety +12

      @@AzureKnight2 I think Mike's suggestions were absolutely hilarious. It was a dark satire which is exactly what is needed

  • @grunkleg.3110
    @grunkleg.3110 Před 2 lety +691

    I love it when Half in the Bag turns into writing multiple better movies than the one they just saw

    • @Centrophy
      @Centrophy Před 2 lety +31

      I don't because then I'm reminded that we live in the reality where the real films came out and they're worse.

    • @MiniMackeroni
      @MiniMackeroni Před 2 lety +25

      "What if she found out she had the rights to the Ghostbusters franchise." is actually a great god damn setup.
      Down on her luck single mother with bills piling up finds out that her daughter, Egon's Granddaughter, technically owns the Ghostbusters franchise. So she starts franchising the shit out of *_Ghostbusters nostalgia_* with her help in order to save her and her kids from being kicked out of their childhood home by the bank. Y'know, like a satire and commentary about 80's franchises today.
      Everything seems to be going fine. Their house is back, they got a new car and college funds for all the kids. But she starts to go beyond her original goal, feeling the greed, despite her daughter's protests.
      They get a guest spot on a late-night talk show where she capitalizes on the nostalgia and anniversaries of the original events of the movie. Brave heroes, one of them her dad, saving New York twice, pretending to have been his protégé while growing up.
      Even though she actually doesn't know anything about her father, Egon.
      Then suddenly there's a massive ghost event that's threatening New York again or the small town or something. And who does everyone look to for help? Who do they call? The Ghostbusters. *_Her._*

    • @Lurklen
      @Lurklen Před 2 lety +8

      @@MiniMackeroni And the reason for the giant ghost thing showing up is her trying to ring up business, but she awakens something powerful.

    • @mylesleggette7520
      @mylesleggette7520 Před 2 lety +9

      @@MiniMackeroni A female protagonist who has normal human ambitions and flaws? Not happening.

    • @anubusx
      @anubusx Před 2 lety

      Had the biggest crush on Jamie Lee Curtis when i first saw it.

  • @ReelSchool
    @ReelSchool Před 2 lety +31

    The joke about Hudson never taking his jumpsuit off made me laugh… but… he’s like the NICEST guy… so you get ONE Hudson joke.

    • @MegaZeta
      @MegaZeta Před 2 lety +13

      Bless Ernie Hudson. I say, take those convention hall nerds for all they're worth

    • @Mockthenerd
      @Mockthenerd Před rokem +2

      @@MegaZeta I'd do it... imagine having not just your kids but your great great great great grandkids college funds set up just by going to a few events where people shower you with praise.

  • @danielomitted1867
    @danielomitted1867 Před rokem +32

    13:35 okay a ghostbuster where Bill Muray is dealing with a union strike is something I now realize I need to see

  • @Venom_3386
    @Venom_3386 Před 2 lety +534

    The sad part is, most of their plot for the hypothetical 3rd film, is what happens in the Ghostbusters video game that came out years ago on the Xbox 360. You’re a new recruit that they are training to open a new franchise and since you are the new guy they give you all this experimental new equipment in case it goes wrong.

    • @mzaite
      @mzaite Před 2 lety +80

      And closes up all the Evo Shandor stuff better too.

    • @Psychodelicphil
      @Psychodelicphil Před 2 lety +77

      The Ghostbusters 360 game is the real GhostBusters 3.

    • @LordSavok
      @LordSavok Před 2 lety +25

      There's even a few edits of the game on CZcams to make it into a giant movie. Recently got remastered and it's actually fun to play. Outside the original movie and first 75 or so episodes of the cartoon it's the best thing to come out of Ghostbusters.

    • @theinternetexplorer7873
      @theinternetexplorer7873 Před 2 lety +17

      That game recently got rerelease on the Switch not too long ago.
      Not gonna lie, I was worried it had became as another forgotten license game from late 2000s. It's actually better good.

    • @jeffolsen7566
      @jeffolsen7566 Před 2 lety +2

      Yeah that game was awesome. Play control and story and everything

  • @hk47ray
    @hk47ray Před 2 lety +535

    Film critic, Matt Singer, on Twitter November 16th: "Ghostbusters: Afterlife is like the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the TV meme for 125 minutes. To be honest, it made me kind of sad."

    • @sebastianmanthey742
      @sebastianmanthey742 Před 2 lety +29

      Oh god.. the pitch meeting episode for this movie will be 40 times "He/It/this is from the other movie!!!" oO

    • @andrewcramer9200
      @andrewcramer9200 Před 2 lety

      @@sebastianmanthey742 Very tight!
      :|

  • @LaOxidada
    @LaOxidada Před rokem +88

    I remember watching the ending in the theater and it had me feeling so incredibly used. Probably the worst I've ever felt leaving a movie

    • @kreatona4219
      @kreatona4219 Před rokem +20

      You felt incredibly used? I guess they weren't joking about the nostalgia bukkake in this review

    • @Melody_Raventress
      @Melody_Raventress Před 6 měsíci +6

      ​@@kreatona4219they really weren't. It was a sticky situation.

    • @tailnowag8753
      @tailnowag8753 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah it was good enough to get me invested but ultimately wasted it when it just got so cynical with the nostalgia and brands.
      Also fancy seeing you here

    • @zachary_attackery
      @zachary_attackery Před 6 měsíci

      Caring about movies this much is cringe

  • @SomeFeelTheRain572
    @SomeFeelTheRain572 Před 2 lety +59

    I always love when Rich is on half and the bag. He’s got good opinions on new movies!

    • @pogcompagni
      @pogcompagni Před rokem +4

      He's not as cynical as Jay and Mike can be sometimes

    • @LumpyAdams
      @LumpyAdams Před 11 měsíci +3

      ​@@pogcompagni that's because he's the nostalgia freak that they're making fun of in this review.

  • @TachyonKing
    @TachyonKing Před 2 lety +676

    A movie where Ghostbusters became extremely over-franchised and corporate would be absolutely incredible.

    • @gnargoyle9638
      @gnargoyle9638 Před 2 lety +12

      Because it’s already happened

    • @sirjanska9575
      @sirjanska9575 Před 2 lety +17

      @@gnargoyle9638 Captain Obvious to the rescue

    • @gavinerickson9392
      @gavinerickson9392 Před 2 lety +10

      It's a product of reganomics, it would be a logical conclusion.

    • @brandonthesteele
      @brandonthesteele Před 2 lety +5

      Similar to what Douglas Adams did with the latter Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy stories.

    • @DekeSimmons1
      @DekeSimmons1 Před 2 lety +1

      @@gnargoyle9638 spoiler alert, are this sarcasm or you really saw the second postcredit scene?

  • @theschmoeway9319
    @theschmoeway9319 Před 2 lety +1215

    I got teary eye when I saw Jay's Lightning Fast VCR Repair Jacket, but I ugly cried when I saw all three of the original Half in The Bag cast together on screen.

    • @jamaaldunbar324
      @jamaaldunbar324 Před 2 lety +43

      How can you not, remember Star Wars:The Force Awakens!

    • @YurrWhat
      @YurrWhat Před 2 lety +113

      Idk I hate when Hollywood use cgi to bring back dead actors.. so uncanny with Rich sitting there

    • @fyfyi6053
      @fyfyi6053 Před 2 lety +9

      I also got teary eyed when I saw how unfunny Red Letter Media have become.
      Especially Mike who turned from one of the funniest guys on youtube into just "the bully". - with nothing funny to say.
      In fact my comment is funnier than red letter media today.

    • @YurrWhat
      @YurrWhat Před 2 lety +16

      @@fyfyi6053 nah lmao you’re the unfunny one here lol more of a kill joy if anything :)

    • @fyfyi6053
      @fyfyi6053 Před 2 lety +2

      @@YurrWhat cry

  • @FourthDerivative
    @FourthDerivative Před 2 lety +23

    "Nostalgia bukkake" lmfao Mike has such a way with words

  • @donnythedingo
    @donnythedingo Před 2 lety +23

    This is my favorite Half in the Bag after Rise of Skywalker. Just keeps on giving.

  • @Newtman98
    @Newtman98 Před 2 lety +257

    “If there’s a steady paycheck in it, I’ll believe anything you say”. Great cut.

  • @JasonMarshMusic
    @JasonMarshMusic Před 2 lety +911

    "Nostalgia is the new cocaine." - that made my day.

    • @deadgoon2170
      @deadgoon2170 Před 2 lety +3

      Slamming nostalgia just doen't have the same impact...

    • @CaffeineConnoisseur
      @CaffeineConnoisseur Před 2 lety +9

      Is it though?
      Cocaine gets shit done.

    • @sanguine2552
      @sanguine2552 Před 2 lety

      Get sad every time I watch old half in the bags and new ones because they all aged so much :(

    • @retrogore420
      @retrogore420 Před 2 lety +2

      @@sanguine2552 that’s what happens lol

    • @randomjunkohyeah1
      @randomjunkohyeah1 Před 2 lety +7

      At least cocaine can help you write a good screenplay

  • @alexello1189
    @alexello1189 Před 8 měsíci +33

    At this point, I consider the Xbox360/PS3 ghostbusters game the official 3rd in the franchise. Played it as a kid and I remember at the time there was a rumor going around that Dan akyroid and Harold Ramis were motivated to do a 3rd movie, but bill Muray was uncooperative. It was a great game with an engaging story. And one of the first games I actually purchased a strategy guide for.

  • @TallTrees420
    @TallTrees420 Před 10 měsíci +18

    This might be my favorite opening Jay has ever done. He's so dead inside.

    • @Melody_Raventress
      @Melody_Raventress Před 6 měsíci

      We are Jay Bauman.

    • @mrzed385
      @mrzed385 Před 5 měsíci

      I think his halloween ends one is hard to top. But this is pretty close

    • @nijnij3988
      @nijnij3988 Před 3 měsíci

      I'M DEAD INSIDE 😀😀😀

  • @jimdorsey9618
    @jimdorsey9618 Před 2 lety +1513

    Hearing Mike say “Ghost” in his Wisconsin accent is what makes this worth it.

    • @ryanhall5360
      @ryanhall5360 Před 2 lety +30

      I'm from Wisconsin so I don't hear it lmao

    • @joet7580
      @joet7580 Před 2 lety +25

      Also from wisconsin, but moved to florida. Mike doesn’t have an accent. Not even close

    • @Tetragrammaton22
      @Tetragrammaton22 Před 2 lety +33

      I'm pretty sure none of them are 'from' Wisconsin. Mike and Rich are from Chicago, I think.

    • @aimannorzahariwod
      @aimannorzahariwod Před 2 lety +16

      @@joet7580 You hear him say Winnebago?

    • @ninjamaster3453
      @ninjamaster3453 Před 2 lety +19

      Wisconsin is that place in news all the time

  • @NukeTheStars
    @NukeTheStars Před 2 lety +796

    “Nostalgia Bukkake” gave me a genuine spit take.

  • @The-Dom
    @The-Dom Před 2 lety +25

    "If there's a paycheck in it, i'll believe anything you say." Well played! i laughed super hard.

  • @happyjoker6663
    @happyjoker6663 Před rokem +13

    Ghostbusters 3 was the 2009 game with the original cast

  • @TimPortantno
    @TimPortantno Před 2 lety +1264

    I like the idea of the movie being about kids discovering forgotten tech they don't understand how to use.
    It's a metaphor for Hollywood adaptations, sequels and reboots.

    • @lithium386
      @lithium386 Před 2 lety +44

      10/10 best comment

    • @CesarMBazanSaavedra
      @CesarMBazanSaavedra Před 2 lety +15

      The little girl sure knew how to use the tech

    • @Corbomite_Meatballs
      @Corbomite_Meatballs Před 2 lety +63

      "If you can use the TikTok, you can use the proton pack!"

    • @tadpolegaming4510
      @tadpolegaming4510 Před 2 lety +48

      @@Corbomite_Meatballs *TikTok text to speech voice* "Check out this devious lick" *camera pans to show a proton back stuffed into a big bag*

    • @ThisIsCool45
      @ThisIsCool45 Před 2 lety +31

      @@tadpolegaming4510 I can hear that godawful TTS voice from your comment.

  • @MrOtistetrax
    @MrOtistetrax Před 2 lety +346

    "Nostalgia Bukkake" has to be up there with Mike's greatest ever quotes.

    • @kostajovanovic3711
      @kostajovanovic3711 Před 2 lety +14

      @@ryanjavierortega8513 oh no

    • @namelessjedi2242
      @namelessjedi2242 Před 2 lety +3

      I feel like that will soon become the accepted fan terminology for that type of thing.

    • @theeternalnow6506
      @theeternalnow6506 Před 2 lety +1

      I got the feeling the movie would be like this from the 2nd trailer. I think that's the one where they showed the marshmellow people in walmart and I got the strongest memberberries vibes. The first trailer was alright and didn't go overboard but holy shit at the 2nd one. I was out after that one.

    • @marc-antoinemarcoux697
      @marc-antoinemarcoux697 Před 2 lety +1

      Hes more into vulcan bukkake.

  • @Benjatron-jw2rg
    @Benjatron-jw2rg Před 2 lety +83

    I’m predicting within the next 5 years, we’re going to see a CGI Christopher Reeve Superman show up to save the day again. Hell, it might even happen in The Flash…

    • @anubusx
      @anubusx Před 2 lety +15

      Good God no.
      Hollywood would do it.

    • @derkeheath5172
      @derkeheath5172 Před 2 lety +9

      CGI Reeves himself will look wonky, but the CGI wheelchair will look 100% spot-on.

    • @VakieF1
      @VakieF1 Před 2 lety +9

      This aged well, there are indeed rumors now of CGI Christopher Reeve, Lynda Carter and Adam West appearing in The Flash.

    • @charlottecorday8494
      @charlottecorday8494 Před 2 lety +9

      Hopefully Ezra Miller and his horrible actions have killed that franchise dead.

    • @villageronps5317
      @villageronps5317 Před 11 měsíci +15

      you were right

  • @DLNOT
    @DLNOT Před rokem +24

    *"What can I say? It's really all about the family... what the f*ck is wrong with you all?"*
    - Carrie Fisher, Ghostbusters Rebooted 2022

  • @xenon333
    @xenon333 Před 2 lety +628

    "Our generation will never let go of our toys." -- Rich Evans 2021.

    • @donjuanmckenzie4897
      @donjuanmckenzie4897 Před 2 lety +25

      It's the most insightful thing said in the entire video

    • @Yourgurtisgood
      @Yourgurtisgood Před 2 lety +49

      True statement I do not see old people talk about Casablanca like gen x does about star wars

    • @SniffyPoo
      @SniffyPoo Před 2 lety +10

      i grew up watching old bugs bunny and popeye cartoons, so not sure this observation is really unique to 80s era

    • @LadyTylerBioRodriguez
      @LadyTylerBioRodriguez Před 2 lety +22

      Can't wait for Casablanca 2 The Revenge of Rick!

    • @BadGuyRants
      @BadGuyRants Před 2 lety +32

      The obsession in this culture with movies made for children 40 years ago is deeply disturbing. Plus the takeaway from these films just misses the point.

  • @SztywnyPatyk
    @SztywnyPatyk Před 2 lety +8446

    one thing doesn't change throughout the years: i always want to watch movies based on Mike's idea more than the actual reviewed movie

    • @Mat23
      @Mat23 Před 2 lety +33

      It’s true

    • @styfen
      @styfen Před 2 lety +281

      You can always trust a cynical movie critic to have better ideas than the executives who usually do the job. Because people like Mike will only suggest ideas that don't make them feel sad and hollow inside.

    • @stumbling
      @stumbling Před 2 lety +41

      Need someone to animate them!

    • @marceloslacerda
      @marceloslacerda Před 2 lety +127

      Mike devolving into madness is great "Make her meth, alcoholic, drug addicted... Just make them the worst!"

    • @turboquail_6596
      @turboquail_6596 Před 2 lety +6

      In a far outpammm of the unijammm all these pitches are real blockbusters, ihhosweet hindsight

  • @mikeghanley
    @mikeghanley Před 2 lety +77

    I never went to them, but do you remember those theme park rides in the movie studios? The T2 experience, the star wars death star run, stepping into the DeLorean with Doc Brown? That's what now passes for "modern blockbuster". They are just packaging up familiar scenes and nostalgia for props into 2 hour cash grabs. Gone is any thought or originality or, heaven forbid, movies that entertain and allow us to escape through their stories. It's just a theme park ride. I think we have passed the golden age of these types of movies: quirky, original productions that gambled with a ridiculous concept and created something special.

    • @itsallgoodman4108
      @itsallgoodman4108 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Whats worse is that the most influential parts of the discourse seems to think that Marvel movies are actually high art and that all else falls under the umbrella of “film bro” and that taking film seriously is an uninteresting venture. People WANT generic and formulaic. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers

    • @itsallgoodman4108
      @itsallgoodman4108 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Ive seen dozens of threads attempting hald baked analysis of how Scorsese makes “toxic” and “shallow” films but that Marvel films are about universal human values. Marvel is the perfect Neoliberal artform. Ideology theme park

    • @Melody_Raventress
      @Melody_Raventress Před 6 měsíci +2

      Ooh, what a metaphor! *Applause* Yes you are exactly on point. All these movies are just the franchise experience. With no originality or nutrition. Like a McDonald's hamburger, made of soy and industrial plastic.

    • @Melody_Raventress
      @Melody_Raventress Před 6 měsíci +1

      ​@@itsallgoodman4108shallow and toxic? Oh God, this world doesn't even deserve Scorsese anymore.

  • @MegaMan-bs3oy
    @MegaMan-bs3oy Před 2 lety +63

    The problem with Ghostbusters is that people legit look at the OG first two as ACTUAL serious hero movies. I got in a big debate with an old friend. Told him to go back and watch it with comedy in mind. He text me days later apologizing. People really don't get the point of what the Ghostbusters where trying to say

    • @Mockthenerd
      @Mockthenerd Před rokem +11

      You have to admit though, the designs and universe is awesome. I'd love more Ghost Buster video games and in-universe content that does not involve the OG cast. I just really like the idea of science vs ghosts, it's fun.

    • @ginogatash4030
      @ginogatash4030 Před rokem +6

      Part of the problem I think is that the franchise surrounding the first film also doesn't get its cynicism so it ends up warping the perception of what that first film was like to people who haven't revisited it in some time or didn't watch it at all, I didn't grow up with the series so I always assumed it was a more sincere Star Wars kinda movie with emphasis on comedy rather than the cynical satire it actually is because of this nostalgia tinted perception of it that Hollywood and 80's consumer manchildren perpetuated.

    • @RoosterMontgomery
      @RoosterMontgomery Před 7 měsíci +1

      Compelling argument but neither movie needs a disclaimer telling the audience: "This movie is a comedy!" Ghostbusters is funny through and through but it's not so comedic that it doesn't take itself seriously when appropriate. Reitman and Ramis always talked about how the comedy is mundane i.e. Louis' attack by a terror dog in full view of a restaurant is forgotten in a New York minute. I could go on but being a comedy doesn't mean that's all the movie is capable of and the franchise has proven that.

    • @zachary_attackery
      @zachary_attackery Před 6 měsíci

      "they don't understand movies like I do! Now that I've explained to them the proper way to watch movies, they hate everything just like I do"

  • @samueltheprideofafrikarobi9319

    Speaking of 80's properties that will never die...
    Robert Zemeckis has been reported as saying that as long as he's alive, he won't allow a remake/reboot/prequel/sequel to Back to the Future. And the only thing I can ever bring myself to think about is what the standing script and casting list is for Back to the Future 4 that 100% exists that's just waiting in the wings for him to croak so that it can be announced.

    • @badjujubes
      @badjujubes Před 2 lety +163

      Whatever it is, you can bet Chris Pratt or Finn Wolfhard will be in it.

    • @teddrewflack400
      @teddrewflack400 Před 2 lety +237

      Meet Martha mcfly, played by Daisy Riddly, and professor Emma Brown played by Whoopi Goldberg , as hilarity ensues when this unlikely duo go back in time to fight misogyny and slavery .
      Back to the future 4 , directed by Paul Feig

    • @smhfirebruh5630
      @smhfirebruh5630 Před 2 lety +16

      @@badjujubes what do you mean or? They're probably both in it

    • @laurieinvideo
      @laurieinvideo Před 2 lety +99

      I would only support a BTTF remake of Marty bangs his mother's in a full ten minute unbroken, Irriversable like, take.

    • @laurieinvideo
      @laurieinvideo Před 2 lety +74

      @Stella Hoenheim oh my God. Can you imagine an elderly Michael J Fox on talk shows - looking depressed as shit - trying to sell this movie?

  • @kassi420
    @kassi420 Před 2 lety +235

    I want to see Mike’s version of GhostBusters 3… “you fired the GhostBusters because they wanted to unionize?” GENIUS!

    • @aidangordon2713
      @aidangordon2713 Před 2 lety +10

      And then the new corporate guy becomes the Big Bad. Send RLM the royalty check already, Sony!

    • @WllKiedSnake
      @WllKiedSnake Před 2 lety +8

      Ghostbusters 3 was already made. It's a video game on 360. It got a remaster for PS4/PC/Xbox One and Switch.

    • @dlaimer
      @dlaimer Před 2 lety +9

      Ghostbusters: Union Busting

    • @swans184
      @swans184 Před 2 lety +2

      Especially with all the safety shit that’s going wrong in the entertainment industry now, it’d be perfect

  • @Thereviewguy2
    @Thereviewguy2 Před 2 lety +80

    I think what irked me the most was the cgi Harold ramis, not just on the ethical idea of using a celebrity post-mortem to create media/promote products, but also that he doesn't say anything? I guess they might've thought having a ramis-soundalike or an impressionist would be awkward but by saying it feels more like the puppeteering of a corpse

    • @MegaZeta
      @MegaZeta Před 2 lety +23

      Heaven forbid the puppeteering of the corpse _feel_ like the puppeteering of a corpse

    • @jekblom123
      @jekblom123 Před 2 lety +4

      He wasn't used in any promotion material.

    • @jekblom123
      @jekblom123 Před 2 lety +3

      ... And the film was dedicated to him.

    • @Starry2000
      @Starry2000 Před rokem +4

      He had a lot of input and wrote a lot of what was in the story of this beautiful and wonderful movie. It was done with the blessing of the family and is what he would have wanted. The additional respect was in that they didn't have anyone voice his character.

    • @mrscruffles801
      @mrscruffles801 Před rokem +8

      "This beatiful and wonderful movie"
      Yeah your comment is definitely coming from a place of bias.

  • @STEVEHEROLD
    @STEVEHEROLD Před 2 lety +39

    the idea yall had for the mom selling the logo etc and the dead miners returning is seriously a great idea and would've def made for a better film.

  • @Jegarduk
    @Jegarduk Před 2 lety +820

    Gotta say, I’m looking forward to ‘Caddyshack: Afterlife’ -
    Where the grandkid of Rodney Dangerfield realises that golf is in his blood and the Bushwood Country Club is his destiny. Can’t wait for the lingering and loving shots of Chevy Chase’s golf club and Bill Murray’s pitchfork. It’s the heartwarming, rootsy, rural-drama Caddyshack sequel we’ve always wanted.

    • @thedrewdog
      @thedrewdog Před 2 lety +36

      Oh God, you KNOW they'll do it too, don't give them ideas.

    • @grunkleg.3110
      @grunkleg.3110 Před 2 lety +76

      Can't forget about the baby gophers that are there for literally no reason

    • @SAMPHUMBUS
      @SAMPHUMBUS Před 2 lety +38

      Then he stumbles into a secret room. And then we got Nostalgia shots of him seeing Rodney's automatic golf bag for the first time.

    • @jacobl2222
      @jacobl2222 Před 2 lety +18

      I'm already crying!

    • @Kaanfight
      @Kaanfight Před 2 lety +27

      Chevy isn’t even dead, just nobody wants to work with him

  • @trtx84
    @trtx84 Před 2 lety +123

    "They won't let it die."
    LITERALLY. Harold Ramis actually died and they just brought him back in the computer.

    • @dwaynezilla
      @dwaynezilla Před 2 lety +15

      the real ghostbusters sequel will be the fans trying to get the dead CGI cast back into the grave

  • @Telidian
    @Telidian Před rokem +14

    I can add one more thing. In the first ghostbuster movie they've stated Gozer always choose a different form to appear.

  • @ColemanJRimer
    @ColemanJRimer Před 2 lety +88

    It's supposed to be a small, dead mining town in Oklahoma, but it's got this brand new, clean Walmart and a well-funded police force. Apparently, it is also the most diverse town in the United States.

    • @TheMBE2003
      @TheMBE2003 Před 2 lety +7

      There are also...... Ghosts

    • @ColemanJRimer
      @ColemanJRimer Před 2 lety +7

      @@TheMBE2003 Well, I've had some experiences that make me a believer there. I'm fine with ghosts.

    • @jacksmith3148
      @jacksmith3148 Před 2 lety

      @@TheMBE2003 Small towns frequently have ghost stories and inordinate amounts of superstition. They also often have majority aging, white populations, really shitty buildings and stores, and nonexistent police forces. If it takes place in the real world, make it true to life. You wouldn't portray New York as white and polite, or Costa Rica as all black and landlocked.

    • @MegaZeta
      @MegaZeta Před 2 lety +2

      @@ColemanJRimer You couldn't be funnier if it were on purpose

    • @ethankleinman1067
      @ethankleinman1067 Před rokem

      diverse? There was mostly just white people in the film.

  • @youngestowl7136
    @youngestowl7136 Před 2 lety +832

    I love that one RLM show where they sit around and talk about movies.

    • @CluckN
      @CluckN Před 2 lety +37

      The Ellen show?

    • @infinitumblack
      @infinitumblack Před 2 lety +15

      For a looooooooong time

    • @Ploulaf
      @Ploulaf Před 2 lety +9

      Oh yeah I remember that one

    • @shanegreen9511
      @shanegreen9511 Před 2 lety +14

      The Star Trek show with Mike and Rich? I remember that show

    • @Rick586
      @Rick586 Před 2 lety +9

      Is this replacing that one show where they all sit around and talk about movies?

  • @celestialanger7102
    @celestialanger7102 Před 2 lety +218

    I would’ve seen Mike’s plot of ghostbusters unionizing a dozen times in theaters.

    • @ravenkarlin
      @ravenkarlin Před 2 lety +3

      @Stella Hoenheim I’ve never had the words to express exactly what you just said but you hit the nail on the head. The fact that studios make the movie to be seen once whereas making a movie to be seen and enjoyed multiple times. The last movies I’ve seen multiple times have been Baby Driver, Infinity War, Blade Runner 2049, and Mad Max: Fury Road. To me the saddest part about all those movies I’ve mentioned though is that Baby Driver is the only original one. I love all those films but there’s such a lack of originality and creative expression with films nowadays.

    • @Yixdy
      @Yixdy Před 2 lety +2

      @@henghistbluetooth7882 cynical huh? And "all nostalgia is bad?" Kind of like exactly how the original ghostbusters was?

  • @DavidSGrop
    @DavidSGrop Před rokem +13

    I think we've reach a point where people just think they feel nostalgic but they really don't. "I recognise that!" is not nostalgia.

    • @GribbleGob
      @GribbleGob Před 2 měsíci

      There is a term for feeling nostalgia for something you never experienced. not sure what it is though.

  • @PrimataFalante
    @PrimataFalante Před 4 měsíci +5

    The mint in box exclusive fan-backed backpack pack Rey action figure on the table works on so many levels in this review that I can't even process.

  • @radiobaked
    @radiobaked Před 2 lety +306

    I just imagine Ray's story should have been about him traveling the world in search of ancient Gozerian monuments with a plan to destroy them but he ends up as Interpol's most-wanted for indiscriminately blowing up UN world heritage sites

    • @belisariussmith9095
      @belisariussmith9095 Před 2 lety +20

      Or even better, literally anyone else that was in Tobins Spirit Guide other than the baddie that was in the first one. In this sense, GB2 was many times better than GBA

    • @DrJReefer
      @DrJReefer Před 2 lety +28

      Ray accidentally the Taliban.

    • @nathanddrews
      @nathanddrews Před 2 lety +30

      Aykroyd has some legitimately crazy, but tremendously original ideas that could have made followup films and media so much more entertaining. Shoot, even the Ghostbusters animated series found 140 entertaining stories worth telling.

    • @eatatjoes6751
      @eatatjoes6751 Před 2 lety +4

      @@nathanddrews I'd take a ghost influenced by Gozer's impact coming back and possessing the Podcast kid for revenge against Ray Stantz...because they're just that petty over this trainwreck.

    • @TheSolMike
      @TheSolMike Před 2 lety +7

      Or get Pazuzu ( the Exorcist one) Its ancient Assyrian and Babylonian.

  • @YourLoyalDeserter
    @YourLoyalDeserter Před 2 lety +648

    It really is odd that there's this kind of emotional nostalgia for a silly comedy like Ghostbusters. Like, imagine them doing a teary-eyed nostalgia sequel to Airplane.

    • @ChewieOnTwoWheels
      @ChewieOnTwoWheels Před 2 lety +135

      Delete this comment before Hollywood reads it, and gets inspired.

    • @videogamenostalgia
      @videogamenostalgia Před 2 lety +68

      It’s more like if in 2050 they do an emotional sequel to that 21 Jump Street movie with Jonah Hill. Just insane behaviour.

    • @AngelofMusic04
      @AngelofMusic04 Před 2 lety +38

      There'd be a five minute scene of everyone fondly remembering the "Calm down, get a hold of yourself!" woman as they slap and shake her corpse at the funeral while that Sarah McLachlan song they use for the dog commercials plays.

    • @davechan8613
      @davechan8613 Před 2 lety +49

      Airplane 3: 9/11

    • @telophasemusic
      @telophasemusic Před 2 lety +24

      Airplane 2022, but the twist is that it's set in an alternate timeline where the ghost of Leslie Nielsen prevents a national tragedy. That tragedy? Well that there's the best part pal. Twist ending; we realize that the eponymous Airplane ends up hijacked by terrorists, and is bound for New York on September 11th, 2001.
      Thankfully, Ghostly Nielsen saves the day with paranormal hijinka

  • @MrJoeRosa
    @MrJoeRosa Před 2 měsíci +5

    Half in the Bag: Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire is going to be exciting.

  • @MrDueltube
    @MrDueltube Před 6 měsíci +7

    Ghostbusters: Nostalgia Bating.

  • @computedsheep8706
    @computedsheep8706 Před 2 lety +1527

    im so glad they finally made a half in the bag about dune!

    • @blackenedwritings
      @blackenedwritings Před 2 lety +179

      It's about family and that's what's so powerful about it.

    • @cradiculous
      @cradiculous Před 2 lety +75

      It broke new ground!

    • @no8965
      @no8965 Před 2 lety +44

      DO YOU REMEMBER!!!! "It's sort of like poetry it rhymes.

    • @michaelbush1374
      @michaelbush1374 Před 2 lety +26

      Very coool

    • @erainmartinez8175
      @erainmartinez8175 Před 2 lety +6

      this a thing now because more funk stay puft toys to buy for money base on this movie

  • @QuixoticRaskol
    @QuixoticRaskol Před 2 lety +789

    The Guardian's review of this movie had the perfect line: "Here, we can find a damning summary of modern Hollywood's default mode-a nostalgia object, drained of personality and fitted into a dully palatable mold, custom-made for a fandom that worships everything and respects nothing."

    • @Sinisterlizards
      @Sinisterlizards Před 2 lety +121

      “…that worships everything and respects nothing.” Goddamn that’s a poignant line

    • @urdnal
      @urdnal Před 2 lety +9

      Perfectly embodied in the ridiculous quotes at the end.

    • @asisin2
      @asisin2 Před 2 lety +29

      @@Sinisterlizards and yet when we respect something like the Star Wars trilogy and talk shit on the insult that was the sequels then ‘fanboys are toxic’, give me a break lol

    • @kostajovanovic3711
      @kostajovanovic3711 Před 2 lety +5

      Rage channels on yt in shock right now

    • @shawklan27
      @shawklan27 Před 2 lety

      @@kostajovanovic3711 yes

  • @bashcrash9148
    @bashcrash9148 Před 6 měsíci +6

    Ray never would’ve said that Egon can burn in Hell.

  • @cetourigny
    @cetourigny Před 7 měsíci +3

    Sometimes I come back to this video to mourn their pitch for Ghostbusters 3 and the fact that it will never exist

  • @EpicFaceFist
    @EpicFaceFist Před 2 lety +3200

    Lmao seeing my Rich animation in this was a nice surprise. Thank you

    • @Horatio787
      @Horatio787 Před 2 lety +43

      Congrats.

    • @Thecatdrums3
      @Thecatdrums3 Před 2 lety +52

      Thanks for commenting! I was wondering who made that

    • @aries4378
      @aries4378 Před 2 lety +34

      Your animation of Rich was great 👍

    • @aarondavis8943
      @aarondavis8943 Před 2 lety +10

      Your vids look great!

    • @AKAGFunk
      @AKAGFunk Před 2 lety +103

      Thankfully that animation will be able to sell nerd crates long after Rich leaves us.

  • @Jonny5chmidt
    @Jonny5chmidt Před 2 lety +137

    "Put down the flask, and pickup the proton pack!"
    Coincidentally, this is what Ramis yelled at Murray every day when shooting the first Ghostbusters.

    • @alexsilva28
      @alexsilva28 Před 2 lety +14

      Like Jay's amazing intro said: Cocaine was sadly missing during the production of this film

  • @popcornwithafork
    @popcornwithafork Před 2 lety +14

    As a longtime massive Ghostbusters 84 fan...I have to agree with most of what is said here sadly.

  • @gearcheck101
    @gearcheck101 Před 2 lety +8

    In The Extreme Ghostbusters (completely underrated series IMO) they build a GIANT ghost trap out of a garbage truck, which was AWESOME. And they use it to catch a giant Cthulu type ghost in NYC. I would like to have seen something like that too. I thought the silos were going to be a trap or there to be a huge underground trap. However, from the effect of Gozer being trapped, it seems like they were ripped apart and put into multiple traps, so that one trap being opened wouldn't constitute a return of Gozer.

    • @Mockthenerd
      @Mockthenerd Před rokem +2

      The fan made porn is also worth a watch. In many ways it's more respectful than a dead dude on screen.

    • @KitsuneAdorable
      @KitsuneAdorable Před rokem +1

      They did the garbage truck ghost trap, on the Real Ghostbusters as well.

  • @LeaveDenbyAlone
    @LeaveDenbyAlone Před 2 lety +819

    The original Ghostbusters had a "feel" that modern movies don't have anymore. There's a distinct lack of slick-ness to the original that nobody bothers to replicate anymore, not just stylistically, but tonally. There's no veneer of ironic detachment in the comedy that Marvel movies beat to death, it was just funny. Even if Murray is kind of the godfather of that kind of humor, it comes off way more sincere in the original.
    God I miss Harold Ramis.

    • @recnepsrc
      @recnepsrc Před 2 lety +135

      The thing about the first Ghostbusters is that the Ghostbusters themselves aren't cool at all. They're exterminators. They're all like, 30something balding dudes. They're shlubby and dorky and weird, and they literally never get a moment where they suddenly graduate from shlubs to cool badasses. The idea of badass Ghostbusters just kinda doesn't work, at least with the original cast.

    • @chiefchimp2789
      @chiefchimp2789 Před 2 lety +58

      Completely agree. Music has suffered the same fate. Nothing feels authentic anymore, really. Plus the people writing and directing these movies of that era were, and I might get shit for saying this, significantly more creative and talented.

    • @sethbromley7186
      @sethbromley7186 Před 2 lety +116

      Modern movies lost that feel because sincerity itself barely exists in modern popular culture. The original movie found humor in the contrast between irony, silliness and sincerity. Today every fucking piece of media you see is ironic. Ironic humor has lost all it's force because there's nothing to contrast it with.
      There's that scene in the 84 movie where they have the TV commercial. It's funny because it's mocking what commercials were like back then -- they would show serious-looking people trying to appear respectable and sincere so they could sell you a product. That joke could never work now because commercials today don't do that anymore, now every commercial is self-referentially mocking the idea of commercials.
      You can't recapture the tone of Ghostbusters because the culture it referenced and parodied doesn't exist anymore.

    • @drifter402
      @drifter402 Před 2 lety +2

      Why doesn't that exist anymore? Does it exist somewhere? I like that a lot. Hell even the OG Star Wars was a bit like that.

    • @LeaveDenbyAlone
      @LeaveDenbyAlone Před 2 lety +28

      @@chiefchimp2789 Maybe a better way to phrase it is "straight-forwardness." There's a lack of straight-forwardness.

  • @barbarayhivjaneahl3198
    @barbarayhivjaneahl3198 Před 2 lety +361

    "we won't give up our toys," is the most real thing anyone has said ever.

    • @predalien1413
      @predalien1413 Před 2 lety +4

      How can we when daddy gets to mad when he has some booze.

    • @theviledelinquent3920
      @theviledelinquent3920 Před 2 lety +10

      "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
      - 1 Corinthians 13

    • @btarczy5067
      @btarczy5067 Před 2 lety +4

      It‘s okay to still like the toys but forcing them onto each following generation is just annoying as hell. Too bad that making mediocre new movies that evoke amazing old ones is so successful.

    • @bioforest6602
      @bioforest6602 Před 2 lety +3

      @@theviledelinquent3920 I liked Ghost in the Shell, too.

    • @YTWanderer
      @YTWanderer Před 2 lety

      Tell me about it...
      I just got myself a C64Maxi and a Retrotink

  • @trumptontally3383
    @trumptontally3383 Před 2 lety +9

    Finally got around to watching this tonight. It’s the fact they turn up with proton packs that get me. Ray was pissed specifically because Egon buggered off with all their kit. We’re also shown why: because he had to rig the 4 of them together to point down the hole. It made no sense.

    • @fatmanjstyle5306
      @fatmanjstyle5306 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Wow 2 years later and I never questioned where they got the proton packs from.

  • @jjww30
    @jjww30 Před 2 lety +48

    A 12 year old girl recognized and repaired a miniaturized particle accelerator. That happened in this movie and no one in the writers room objected.

    • @anubusx
      @anubusx Před 2 lety +8

      Miniture Mary Sue.

    • @calebland6246
      @calebland6246 Před 2 lety +9

      Yeah, I don't mind genius kids, but there is a limit or else you get the Wesley Crusher effect. This movie needed to be about adults with maybe one kid.
      Her talking to Paul Rudd and being as knowledgeable about earthquakes as she was while also installing a lathe in her apartment and recognizing parts of the accelerator and (even with the help of her ghost grandfather) repairing it.... it went over the line.

    • @Notsram77
      @Notsram77 Před 2 lety +4

      A boyscout built a nuclear reactor in his back yard. He didn't even have the internet.

  • @Rothbard_is_God8082
    @Rothbard_is_God8082 Před 2 lety +415

    Dan Akroyd is quoted saying that the Ghostbusters video game is what the third true sequel to Ghostbusters would have been. Akroyd had a part in creating the video game. They basically find an island where all the slime is being produced. It was actually pretty good and interesting. So check it out if you are a fan of Ghostbusters.

    • @jonnyg9865
      @jonnyg9865 Před 2 lety +45

      The game finally answered the question of where the slime beneath NY came from. Even though GBII tried to tie the slime with Vigo it always felt like they existed separately.

    • @jnnx
      @jnnx Před 2 lety +8

      Thanks for the tip!

    • @Dreadjaws
      @Dreadjaws Před 2 lety +19

      I mean, I agree with it, but not because Aykroyd said it. Let's face it, he's been desperate to revive this franchise for years. He'll praise anything that has the Ghostbusters brand.

    • @Cyberplayer1337
      @Cyberplayer1337 Před 2 lety +11

      The Ghostbusters game is so chock-full of amazing lore and the story is spectacular. I've always wished it was adapted somewhat into a film and I'll always accept it as the third sequel.

    • @vertexvortex
      @vertexvortex Před 2 lety +2

      I know I ugly cried when I played ghostbusters the movie the game

  • @TheSSSFilms
    @TheSSSFilms Před 2 lety +1116

    Rich saw it coming. He was trying to save Betty White from the Stoklasa curse. RIP

    • @iamcdj_
      @iamcdj_ Před 2 lety +39

      Not all heroes wear capes

    • @nostalgiaforinfinity4613
      @nostalgiaforinfinity4613 Před 2 lety +55

      First they killed Stan Lee and now Betty White. Maybe they should start political podcasts too.

    • @hecticscone
      @hecticscone Před 2 lety +37

      the stoklasa curse works on everyone but william shatner

    • @MotokoKusanagi
      @MotokoKusanagi Před 2 lety +1

      What is the stoklasa curse?

    • @pontusoskarsson5998
      @pontusoskarsson5998 Před 2 lety +20

      @@MotokoKusanagi Anytime he talks about an old actor they die

  • @mangolassi_.
    @mangolassi_. Před 2 lety +10

    49:30 I think the idea in the movie is (and this is pretty much shown in the beginning) that Egon was on his own on that farm, so he built that minefield of traps to be able to lure ghosts to his house and then catch them there without help. Because it's shown that one proton pack isn't enough to catch them and you can't fixate them and then position a trap beneath them (as shown in the original movies) without support. So this was his workaround, the trap minefield wasn't meant to catch Gozer.

    • @mangolassi_.
      @mangolassi_. Před 2 lety +1

      That being said I moderately enjoyed Afterlife. It could have easily been much better if they focussed more on the setting and the characters and didn't make it a nonstop action movie pretty much after 20 minutes of introduction. Copying much of the first movie in the second half didn't help either of course. I liked many of the elements though, the small rural town setting, the characters, the John-Williamsesque soundtrack, the visual effects, even the Walmart scene worked for me, it had a nice Gremlins-like charme to it. Of course the idea to use tiny marshmellow men was a bit problematic since the original marshmellow man was not just some creature but the result of a very specific event in the first movie. But I could have lived with it. All in all the movie was too light on telling its own story, it felt rushed and all about getting to the action and the references.

    • @nicholastosoni707
      @nicholastosoni707 Před rokem

      @@mangolassi_. I forgive the Mini Pufts because they remind me of mischievous parrotlets.

  • @DarkEchoesHorror
    @DarkEchoesHorror Před 6 měsíci +8

    Egon but not forgotten