Agreed, absolute waste of the premise. We should have seen 20 different universes in detail, met alternative actors in as iconic characters (a universe with anthropological entities nominatively arranged, like Howard the duck, Rocket, cosmo, maybe wolverine playing Wolverine complete with yellow spandex) or just gender swaps or robots or Lego.
whilst i agree, this served the story better. plus ya know marvel ahs a plan, and that plan is we're gonna hold you back on some of your creative decisions because of continuity stuff.
@Yeehaw yea so why you care if it isn't the same mordo, literally makes no sense. that's why i was so baffled that i thought you were just referencing that he's not the same as the comics, but instead you talking about sth irrelevant like it's not the mordo from the og dr strange, like he probably gonna come up later, he's not important to this story .
I found it so hilarious how John Krazinski has been getting hounded by MCU fans for years now to play Mr. Fantastic, and he kept saying he had no interest in doing it. So when he FINALLY gave in, they killed him after like not even 5 minutes of screen time. I literally burst out laughing in the theater.
From a comic book fan on CZcams, it's a norm to kill off characters from alternate universes, due to them actually getting the chance to kill characters off and there's no way they'd be able to make stories out of them.
I thought a requirement for "The Stoklasa" was that one of the two participants had to be a corpse.... Ohhhh, wait, that's the Dick the Birthday Boy position, also known as the "D double B". My bad.
My major gripe with the multiverse is that it makes everything disposable. "Here's a brand new version of something, or some fan service - now watch us kill it off almost instantly with no over arching consequences"
That's a big concern of mine, too, but they started on this path with Infinity War. The MCU's strength was having long-term consequences, an advantage over comic books. Now it's just like comic books, disposable continuities to be endlessly rehashed until people stop caring.
I've never liked multiverse or time travel stories tbh. Just the idea that anything that can be accomplished can be effortlessly undone is not very satisfying in a plot.
@@sickofit1574 It's awful. What's the point when there's take backsies on everything, they just bring back whoever the audience likes. So freaking lame and cowardly. 3 Spidermans... ughh... boooooooo....
Not to me. He may have a daft opinion on what makes a show but he's still a sweet old man and I hate that this is probably the last image we'll ever see of him as Professor X.
Exactly, my thoughts as soon as this was posted. I was sure this movie wouldn't be talked about for at least a few more weeks by them...but then again Raimi
I like how Jay is happy about Raimi using his usual editor one moment and then complains about the pacing and cross-cutting in the final act a few minutes later
@@blank-vj1mc they may have been pre-viz years ago (which is basically just digital storyboarding), the final product is usually only completed at the last minute and there's no telling how much it resembles initial pre-viz
One can appreciate a director's loyalty to a coworker/friend, or an editor's general body of work, while still finding room to reasonably critique a new film they worked on.
Now I gotta fact-check you. They literally showed the text of the 'Mac Tonight' on screen 17 seconds later while Mike says "The Night". Jay fact-checked himself already.
I love the part where Doctor Strange started traveling from one universe to another to acquire dozens of NFT’s and then selling them in different universes so he could raise more money for the set of the next Avengers film.
Their super hero reviews are always their worst content. These movies are just soulless and not interesting but they know this crap gets the clicks. So they just blandly sit there and review with zero enthusiasm lol.
@@LumpyAdamsdon’t necessarily agree, they can be pretty funny ripping into the worse ones and also if they were only doing superhero movie reviews for the clicks wouldn’t they have reviewed The Batman by now?
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Informative... seems like total and utter BS to go from evidenced factoid that there WERE easter eggs in Rocky Horror, and then go to a whole different context of video games where one thing one time was CALLED "an easter egg hunt", like that's the first thing in history where that ever happened. OBVIOUSLY Rocky Horror was also CALLED an easter egg hunt if there WERE easter eggs. Sounds like some obtuse wikimedia "citation needed" standard being used, where an obvious fact isn't admitted because you couldn't name a guy who said the obviously true thing. Slightly parallels how Marvel used to have compelling, if bland, conflicted villains, that you could tell are evil because you understand their ethics, but now with Wanda she's just "influenced" by a corruptive force. Just listen and believe the reliable sources, mang, no need for a show and tell or thinking for yourself.
The fun creative aspects from Raimi carried the movie a ton. Elizabeth also did a fantastic job with her slasher villain character. She stole the show for me. What the most grating aspect of the movie was marvels input. All the non stop exposition that was required, just so they fit into the larger puzzle.
Yeah anytime Raimi was just getting to do his thing and do wacky horror bullshit the enjoyment of the movie would spike significantly. And she definitely seemed to have fun playing those horror scenes.
There’s a multiverse version of Jay and Rich where they’re unironically doing the Nerd Crew And another one where they’re the actors in Star Trek Picard having to work with Alex Kurtzmann
There's a Universe where RLM is the Definitive Source of All Information on Earth. They're ruled by Supreme Leader Plinkett. It's the universe where everyone's worse at everything than Deadpool. Buncha functional idiots...
Who can after 9 yrs without anything at the cinema from the man? Hell I haven't watched a Marvel movie since the original Avengers movie but I have IMAX tickets to this cause it's Sam Raimi's visual aptitude on a gigantic screen. Even through the prism of a very corporate IP that has to be worth a watch.
@@jmnyc212 it is worth it. As a Raimi fan, the parts that were clearly his doing were incredible and made the movie worth it. Ultimately the movie wasnt good, but there we so many glimmers in there that I had fun.
@@gsesquire3441 don't blame Garfield for that. That movie was released around the time being emo was in. But he did a good job of being the smart Peter
The biggest problem I have with this movie is that there are no rules at all about what the protagonist and antagonist are capable of. Whenever a rule is established it’s promptly broken. There is no tension at all because either of them can just do some random unimaginable shit to pull themselves out of any situation whatsoever. Then, the one time, the only time in the whole movie where it seemed like something had consequences, when the book was destroyed, a new book is revealed 10 seconds later
Completely agree. It feels like there is a much better movie here rather than something that felt rushed especially after seeing the recent superior multiverse film. I also think they are completely right that they needed to show Wanda descent in the film and exploring the multiverse as Wanda/Strange try to train America (hate that name). It would have been better if it was a Scarlet Witch from another universe, but then Wanda turns into the Scarlet Witch in order to protect her family across the multiverse.
I imagine a bunch of Disney/Marvel executives being like "Aw man, audiences are gonna lose it over our multiverse movie, there's gonna be nothing else like it this year" and then EEAAO came out and everyone loved it and all those execs were just like ".....Fuck."
I was hoping that half way through this review there'd be a "universe swap" where Mike and Jay were in different outfits and were reviewing Everything Everywhere All At Once.
No Way Home's spider dudes being really interested in the fact that Spider-Man went to space and fought Thanos was amazing I thought. No matter how self referencing.
Proving Mike wrong on the Easter eggs was the best edit in a CZcams video ever. The factual captions, the slow wrong symbol on to mikes face and a lil fade at the end so beautiful.
Mike had a previous instance like this before and had a similar edit, so aside from it being beautiful it also had its start from a previous episode. It's starting to become a running gag
Watching a RLM video where they review a superhero movie fills me with warmth and comfort, because it reminds me of a time when my life wasn’t in shambles.
The Strange vs Strange musical fight was the highlight of the movie for me. He basically did a class change from a mage to a bard. Am surprised no one mentioned the score during that fight, it was pretty creative with moments of silence and orchestral crescendos.
Anytime I see Mike and Rich make a mistake, I have faith Jay will highlight their error with the utmost pettiness. He did not disappoint when he edited this video. Bravo.
There are several videos where editor Mike does it to himself, like the baseball bat in Halloween Kills. He knows not to let pride get in the way of a good joke.
I haven’t even seen the movie yet. I just wanted to see their take on it. Even when I see them flip-flop on stuff, I’m still always entertained by them
@@ninjaboy191 Yeah I don't get it, the stuff that they were complaining about was what I loved because it wasn't the overused usual marvel stuff, and they want more of the overused boring stuff back, what?! I am so done with the quips, the cameos, the usual plot of hero vs bad guy. I wish there was even more horror, this is supposed to be dark and bizarre. At least we can both agree on Rachel McAdams' character being pointless and with no chemistry, I wish she wasn't included at all. I like Dr Strange best as a teacher/father figure to someone like Spiderman or America. The romantic plot is really boring and we've seen it a thousand times already.
If Mike hadn't pompously added "look it up, bitch!" after his Easter egg 'factoid' he wouldn't have been proven wrong. Twice the pride, double the fall.
What makes it even more funny to me is the fact they watched Ready Player One which has the origin of Easter eggs as part of the climax. Classic Mike though nonetheless
@@dereksbooks he probably means the shots, the cinematography, visuals, raimi-ness, and brutal deaths and all Otherwise, the story is still the same old "save the world from an evil monster" bs
Mike has resorted to watching MCU movies because Star Trek is dead to him. Now Jay is making the Star Trek references because someone has to carry that torch.
I'm curious about his reaction to ST Strange New Worlds, but I know in my heart he will despise it because of course he will. I doubt they will review it, but maybe they will for the masochistic thrill
I can't believe they haven't watched Everything, Everywhere, All at Once. I would've loved to hear them compare the two very different multiverse films.
I really enjoyed this as a low stakes, much more violent take on a Marvel film with some really fun sequences. The first section was really underwhelming, but see Raimi going full Evil Dead at the end was a really fun Twist! Also I feel like originally, the Villain was going to be Wanda from another Dimension who'd never gotten a chance at redemption, but maybe that plot got chopped for time?
@@NEWFIExGAMING yeah and we're never going to interact with those aspects again, even with the sequel bait. That alternate universe was for exposition and fanservice
@@fenrirlives2226 While I enjoyed the movie. I do feel like the point of this film was just set up the multiverse/incursions/Avengers Secret Wars film. You get that Sam Rami vibe and feel but it lacks like his full creative vision over the project (mostly in relation to the plot and events). The visuals are fantastic, especially with the camera work and presentation of weird magic stuff. Just wished they added 10-20 minutes, it could add to the pacing and character development
She never got redeemed anyway. She enslaved and entire town to the point that they wished they were dead and then got off Scott free. She's more villainous than Thanos 🤣
Throw in some terrible puns. "What's the measure of _this_ man? Is it a deep nine in your space? What do mean I'm attempting an incursion into your neutral zone? I'm just trying to put this borg implant in you then fill you with reverse-engineered nanoprobes to blast your wormhole all the way back to the delta quadrant."
@@vituperation Where no man has gone before, the naked time, Friday's child, is there in truth no beauty when I use my turnabout intruder on your undiscovered country?
Imagine the universe where Jay says "I can't believe Sam Raimi based this movie on the famous TNG episode...", and Mike starts to have a seizure because he just wants to go home watch Twin Peaks again...
Well, now I'm not sure if I should see the movie. I've only been on the Disney World Mansion ride. I'm not sure how much the subtle differences will translate into a jarring film experience.
Darkman also had that piratey sound to his voice as well as the exposed teeth to the jaw. I honestly couldn't tell if Zombie Strange was more an homage to Darkman or Deadite Ash from Army of Darkness.
Despite having seen this movie only a few months ago, I've forgotten 80% of it. Although I haven't seen the original Doctor Strange for a few years, I still remember 80% of it. The Marvel movies are simply an assembly line of cookie cutter product now and have been for years.
The music note battle was an interesting idea, but probably executed too on the nose. A musician and a concept artist I think could hash out some really interesting ideas if they thought about the sound and shape of the notes more.
My working theory is that the exchange of notes, and the duel in general, was inspired by the campiness from the wizard duel from The Raven, which is an old Vincent Price movie, which is the person after whom Dr. Strange's appearance was inspired in the comics. I think a lot of the campier elements from this whole movie were a Vincent Price tribute.
The fact the score barely reflects was real wasted potential. Personally, they didn't commit to the camp enough. They should've been launching full symphonies at each other and have their interpretations of the notes merging to make something really chaotic and interesting
I feel like you have to talk about "Everything, Everywhere, All At Once" now since Mike's wish list for the multiverse stuff in Dr. Strange would be fulfilled above and beyond what he wanted.
Yesss! The wild creativity in that film makes Doctor Strange look like a big commercial, corporate joke. Let alone how they somehow managed to shove in a beautifully emotional story on top of all the insanity
@@whiteganserwere the marvel comics use of the multiverse ever as wacky and chaotic as everything everywhere all at once? You wanted Wolverine to rock up with dildos coming out of his hands instead of blades and try to shove butt plugs up his arse?
I think this story was nearly great for Wanda, but like Mike said it needed just a few moments more to show that Wanda did not overcome her grief and need for family. An after credits scene should not be the foundation of a character's motivation and corruption in a separate film. I also think Wanda's morality could have been preserved if it was revealed another Scarlet Witch was using or cooperating with the Wanda we know. It would explicitly show there are multiple versions of her willing to tear the multiverse apart and that would be the character motivation for Wanda destroying not only her own darkhold but every darkhold in the multiverse.
Ooh that would've been good! If there was a darker Wanda talking with our Wanda throughout some of this like you say, leading to her darkhold destruction decision at the end. As it stands though, this movie I think is legitimately the worst MCU movie and might actually be worse than some of those terrible DC movies as well. To take a well established and written character, suddenly turn her into a one note murderous rampaging villain and give us no exploration of how that happened beyond telling us a couple times that "uh, this book is bad" is beyond stupid. The only part of me that felt like the plot was acceptableish was the part of me that had seen Agents of Shield, a non-canon tv show a decade old that actually showed the corrupting influence of the Darkhold in marginally acceptable detail. I can't imagine what the creators of WandaVision must've thought seeing this film. Absolutely terrible lol. Just from a story perspective mind you, the directing was good for the most part I felt (though the gore of the illuminati deaths was definitely too much for me personally lol, but I appreciate others are into that kind of thing).
WandaVision sets Wanda on the path to self-discovery learning about Chthon and chaos magic, this movie destroys all of that potential and progress. Wanda became their most popular female character because of WandaVision. MoM was Marvel shooting their own limbs off.
I like how the first 10 minutes were mostly about how they thought the last 2 Spiderman movies were ok/enjoyable, and then the next five minutes were Evil Dead/Army of Darkness references. . .and then they never said whether they would recommend watching the movie or not lol Jay started to say he would recommend it if you got to see it for free or like on Disney+ and then Mike asked if he could please leave now XD
For years now I've been trying to articulate my thoughts about fantasy adventure movies and here's what I have so far. To make an effective fantasy story, there needs to be more of the mundane than of magic, mystery, and might. Less is more. But the MCU has for the most part become one cgi fest after another. The charm of Iron Man and the very first Spider-man was the real set pieces, the vulnerability of the characters, and the fact that they had JOBS. They ate food, drove cars, worried about money, watched the news, interacted with regular people, etc. I think the slow and novel emergence of a transcendent being and their antithesis rival in an otherwise mundane world is the most fascinating story of all, while going past that will always be less astonishing. I mean FFS, this movie kicks off with Strange casually battling a giant tentacle monster in a city street while Christine is practically rolling her eyes at it instead of having any kind of normal reaction like I dunno screaming in insane terror. Mordo said it best... "there's too many sorcerers". All the Thors, Captains, Animalmen, and cookie cutter rogues they face don't do it for me anymore. These all feel like Pixar movies to me now, formulaic and forgettable :( I hate being old. HOWEVER THERE IS HOPE. I watched The Batman and it was so refreshing! If you told me (arguably) the best Batman movie ever would star the Twilight guy and John Turturro and Colin Farrel as fucking Penguin, I never would have believed you.
I think you encapsulated my thoughts on this exactly. I was just thinking about the first Marvel movies. Iron Man was fairly grounded. People don't probably remember, but it was refreshing because other superhero movies at the time were a bit over the top. Hell even the first Thor has him lose his power for a majority of the film, in an effort to gradually introduce the concept of an alien race of "gods". Marvel has completely ditched the concept of keeping the conflicts toned down, to heighten the stakes for the character's personal lives. It was more enjoyable, IMO.
As someone extremely cynical about anything related to marvel, I got to say this movie won me over by the later half, particularly after the brutality of the Illuminati fight. The audio, camera angles, and emotional sequences definitely had Raimi's secret sauce, and I was pleasantly surprised by the the horror elements. It feels refreshingly unsanitized unlike most of the franchise. Although the plot is not great it ends on a strong note, and is more relatable than "badguy purple mcguffin man" of the week as per usual. This isn't Raimi's best work, but it's an exceptionally fun watch; more fun than I've had with marvel in actual years. And that's ultimately what these movies aim for anyway. I think he was the perfect pick for a doctor strange film.
The second half of the movie definitely worked better than the first half. Once they got to the point where they just let Raimi go nuts with the direction, the movie kicked up several notches for me.
I agree, while I do see where Mike and Jay are coming from with their criticisms, a lot of the movie is so out there compared to almost every other marvel piece of corporate noise that I can't help but like it
Doctor Strange was into music since the beginning of the first movie. While performing a surgery, the other doctors were testing Strange's musical knowledge.
Green Goblin: You know I am something of a movie critic myself I find it an interesting coincidence that Sam Raimi is directing the new Strange movie and the end of No way Home plays out as a better battle on a construction site than Spider man 3. I liked this movie I hope Sam Raimi gets to do more. Spoiler: The few issues I had were mostly about Wanda being driven to a point of madness. I noted her fingers had a black tips, I would've loved to see her becoming more corrupt from the Dark hold as a consequence of her expending so much power so we would get more of a tortured hero/anti-hero journey. The Dark Hold itself would've been cool if they had added some sort of whispers/ hallucinations to show how it is slowly corrupting it's user. When Wanda possesses the alternate Wanda it would have been interesting to have a quick discussion between the two in their heads because it was rather surprising that after possessing her, getting what she wants she leaves, and alt.Wanda just goes...home? Like she has powers also?!?! and she is like ''Where am I? Whatever, I am going home.'' and just leaves. Setting up and killing all the illuminati was amusing but how they handled Wanda was darkly funny. They can deal with Magic users, they have magical handcuffs that negate magic and are like lets just talk and fight her physically while we leave our magic user comrade alone with Strange, not like a fellow magic user would be invaluable against a...er, magic user LOL ;P
I liked the fact that Dr. Strange is trying to fight against the fact that the rest of his selfs are evil, but I think that needed to be fleshed out more as his motivation.
I enjoyed the movie! But I am sort of peeved that it was sold to me through ‘No Way Home’ as sort of a Strange-focused sequel to the events of that movie, where Strange has to account for almost breaking the multi/uni/verse with his magic. Then they just sort of hand-waved that whole thing away in the first conversation about the multiverse.
I liked the part when he turned to face the camera and said "Please watch the new hit film Morbius in theatres now," before masturbating into the camera for twelve minutes.
How does Mike not realize that Wanda’s motivation is the dark hold showed her Mikes least favourite episode of TNG Parallels where there are infinite versions of Worf?
I really enjoyed the musical notes fight. I always wanted the magic people to use their environment in their finger waggling & it’s always just orange beams & circles. The notes were great.
@@melonhead2477 that was the best part. they actually tried to explore a theme in the effects instead of just throwing a "music notes" skin on their standard magic missile spell. the reactive music was very fitting and the conclusion of the sequence actually followed very loose principles of acoustics. to me it was honestly the best scene in the movie.
Wanda wiping out the Illuminati and the Temple were the two biggest kick ass action scenes that made Zombie Strange final battle feel anticlimactic. Felt like WandaVision: The Movie Introducing America Chavez and... also staring dr strange.
And that is what Disney/Marvel have been doing for years now with their male characters. Tear down the male character making him dumb and/or evil and building up a female character. Kevin Feige said a few years ago going forward they would focus only on female characters. Just wait for Thor Love and Thunder to do the same thing to Thor.
@@thepsychomagus They ruined Wanda, though. Raimi is awful at handling female characters and clearly had no interest in Wanda as a character. She's a comedy cartoon character here. If Raimi is directing a movie, don't have any women characters in the movie. He should stick to what he is goof at, male character movies.
Maybe I'm just as burned out on Star Trek: Picard as Mike is but, I'll be honest here, I marked out more at seeing Professor X's big yellow hoverchair finally be used in a live action Marvel film over Patrick Stewart's cameo.
Can’t believe Jay didn’t think differently of the movie, as a Raimi fan I was laughing through most of the third act!!! Doctor Strange Zombie Man literally winked at the audience 😉🤣 and they didn’t mention the lovely cameo from Bruce Campbell either….
Ya I'm surprised he didn't mention it either since Raimi loves to have his Bruce Campbell cameos in his movies. The cameo was quite funny in this one too.
Yeah the fact that the zombie character with souls for a cloak turned out to not be a bad guy, but rather the protagonist possessing an alternate self's dead body was a pretty neat subversion of expectation. And it's Sam Raimi, of course he recognizes how goofy the effect looks, he's banking on you laughing at the close ups and the zombie speaking normally while not having lips. Campbell cameo was great of course. I dunno if it's a spoiler really but the "end" of his cameo was excellent. Also another Raimi easter egg was a floating '73 Oldsmobile in the destroyed universe.
So i guess musical Dr strange was a masterful pianist and he had the car crash that left him unable to play the piano, just like the surgeon unable to operate. Pretty cool actually.
I believe in the first film he was a classical buff, had a grand piano in his apartment. It was a conceit that after his surgery he couldn't play anymore. For the musical fight, doesn't that come straight from Kung Fu Hustle (2004)??
In wandavision we saw Wanda deal with the loss of her family and see how grief twisted her. In what if , we say doctor strange deal with the loss of Christine and no matter how hard he tried he can never be with her. Both of these emotional journeys were very similar to MoM. Which made me feel like i had already seen this and imo i think the shows kinda did it better (at rhe very least less rushed). MoM is still a good movie, but most of the story kinda fell flat for me.
MoM is a good movie if Wanda is replaced with a villain of the week instead of her. Or if they just added 20 - 30 minutes to show Wanda's descent to the state she is in MoM. As it stands we just get incredibly badly written Wanda and simply told the Darkhold is bad but never shown it (not so much as even evil whispers like Lord of the RIngs' ring or something), like at least show us an example of how it corrupts and show us a version of Wanda who resists it at first before giving in or something. The Strange-caused-a-universe-to-die explanation-by-proxy was frankly just nowhere near good enough.
I didn’t hate this film, but its peak was found in the credits, where a stunt performer can be found by the name of Hung Dong.
I reallly really hope that they name their kids hang, ding, and 2hung 2
That's actually me. Raimi was a dick. It was a really long hard shoot.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to spot this legendary name 🤣
i noticed that!
Fucking BASED
Mike so confidently saying "look it up bitch" and being wrong is sure to become an iconic moment
Especially since he READ Ready Player One and watched the movie where they mention it like 20 times, may there be mercy on his soul
The slow zoom was perfect.
Whoever edited that "wrong" moment with the music put in the pure love of fucking with your best friend.
He will find the time stone and fix that
@@jordyb9063 The Tums festival was in Infinity War. It is painful how right I am.
I was expecting a universe hopping adventure, and all I got was "ain't this an odd looking New York" a few times
Agreed, absolute waste of the premise. We should have seen 20 different universes in detail, met alternative actors in as iconic characters (a universe with anthropological entities nominatively arranged, like Howard the duck, Rocket, cosmo, maybe wolverine playing Wolverine complete with yellow spandex) or just gender swaps or robots or Lego.
@@Jedibenuk America Chavez teaming up with Howard the duck would salvage her boring ass completely
whilst i agree, this served the story better. plus ya know marvel ahs a plan, and that plan is we're gonna hold you back on some of your creative decisions because of continuity stuff.
@Yeehaw woot you on bro non of the characters are the same as the commic.
@Yeehaw yea so why you care if it isn't the same mordo, literally makes no sense. that's why i was so baffled that i thought you were just referencing that he's not the same as the comics, but instead you talking about sth irrelevant like it's not the mordo from the og dr strange, like he probably gonna come up later, he's not important to this story .
I love how low the bar is for Mike enjoying things after Picard. "It made sense to me, and had a beginning, a middle, and an end."
I think its him just appreciating a straight forward movie that isn't convoluted or being bogged down.
Lol
He forgot they already reviewed Far From Home too.
It really broke mike, truly tragic
Season 2 of Picard will do that to anyone
Mike looks like he hasn't recorded the picard finale review yet, there's still life in his eyes
That glint in his eyes is the alcohol in his veins. Life has left him long ago.
Not at 2:43 lol
or like some victim of abuse they deniyng the reality
@@spaceman1965 Idk. SNW ep 1 was by far best nutrek
I don't know, all I could think was 'Oh God, the Picard brain damage is real...'
I found it so hilarious how John Krazinski has been getting hounded by MCU fans for years now to play Mr. Fantastic, and he kept saying he had no interest in doing it. So when he FINALLY gave in, they killed him after like not even 5 minutes of screen time. I literally burst out laughing in the theater.
I haven’t kept up with any Marvel discussions, but if that’s the case, that’s actually pretty funny
He'll most likely be back, the Holland Spider-Man trilogy's director is gonna direct a Fantastic 4 movie coming out in a few years
That would explain why he's written like a bit of a dummy by Mr. Fantastic standards
@@WiloPolis03 that director dropped out a while ago
From a comic book fan on CZcams, it's a norm to kill off characters from alternate universes, due to them actually getting the chance to kill characters off and there's no way they'd be able to make stories out of them.
the "stoklasa" is a sex position where you both lie motionless on the couch
Both?
@@playedout148 both.
I do the stoklasa every saturday night
I thought a requirement for "The Stoklasa" was that one of the two participants had to be a corpse.... Ohhhh, wait, that's the Dick the Birthday Boy position, also known as the "D double B". My bad.
My major gripe with the multiverse is that it makes everything disposable. "Here's a brand new version of something, or some fan service - now watch us kill it off almost instantly with no over arching consequences"
I really enjoyed “Everything Everywhere All at Once’s” take on the multiverse
That's a big concern of mine, too, but they started on this path with Infinity War. The MCU's strength was having long-term consequences, an advantage over comic books. Now it's just like comic books, disposable continuities to be endlessly rehashed until people stop caring.
That was kind of the point. Here's your fan service, watch us kill it.
I've never liked multiverse or time travel stories tbh. Just the idea that anything that can be accomplished can be effortlessly undone is not very satisfying in a plot.
@@sickofit1574 It's awful. What's the point when there's take backsies on everything, they just bring back whoever the audience likes. So freaking lame and cowardly. 3 Spidermans... ughh... boooooooo....
I love how Mike recaps plots like he's solving a math problem
Dude, he,s trying to remeber something he just saw give his elderly alcoholic brain some credit for working at all
Not easy putting up with dementia and all those Picard nightmares
When Patrick Stewart appeared onscreen, I immediately envisioned Mike's soul leaving his body.
He can't escape him
I've got to admit, seeing Patrick Stewart getting his neck broken was oddly therapeutic after that Picard Season 2.
Lmao
That was dark 😂
Not to me. He may have a daft opinion on what makes a show but he's still a sweet old man and I hate that this is probably the last image we'll ever see of him as Professor X.
That wasn’t his neck
LMFAOO Mike saying “look it up bitch” only to be proven wrong immediately is so good.
The whimsically melancholy music is what truly elevated it for me.
i was surprised. and then remembered it was Sam Raimi, so of course Jay wants to watch it...
Jesus, Raimi...
Exactly, my thoughts as soon as this was posted. I was sure this movie wouldn't be talked about for at least a few more weeks by them...but then again Raimi
True
He is such a diehard fan that he didn't even bother to mention Raimi's cameo in Freaked.
Its 20% sam raimi. They reshot 80% of this nightmare
My favorite part of the movie is when Doctor Strange turns to Wanda and asks, "What are we, some kind of multiverse of madness?"
on some kind of star trek...? Do we represent a clear and present danger? Is this my Shawshank redemption?
I'm something of a magician myself!
my favorite part was when they're falling through multiverses and we see the sex scene between wanda and Thanos
@@jaycro3284 I don't even know who I'm inside of...
@@freakjob0 lol that, but I realized how creepy it sounds now. The actors had a sex scene in a movie.
I like how Jay is happy about Raimi using his usual editor one moment and then complains about the pacing and cross-cutting in the final act a few minutes later
The final act being an explosive dumpster fire is just marvel being marvel.
He edited all of the “boring” talking scenes. The CGI battles were rendered three years ago.
@@blank-vj1mc they may have been pre-viz years ago (which is basically just digital storyboarding), the final product is usually only completed at the last minute and there's no telling how much it resembles initial pre-viz
One can appreciate a director's loyalty to a coworker/friend, or an editor's general body of work, while still finding room to reasonably critique a new film they worked on.
Since Mike got fact checked, I gotta fact check Jay at 28:50 and point out the character is not called 'Mac the Knight', he is 'Mac Tonight'.
He actually said Mack the Knife which is a hit song from 1959. I know mike is old but jeez
Now I gotta fact-check you. They literally showed the text of the 'Mac Tonight' on screen 17 seconds later while Mike says "The Night". Jay fact-checked himself already.
Fun fact: Mac Tonight was played by Doug Jones.
Dr Strange should have gone to the universe where Mike was right about Easter Eggs.
Not even Disney has the budget for THAT
You mean the universe without alcohol
Universe without Star Trek on Paramount
*slide whistle noise*
It's also the universe where Cameron Mitchell was in Samurai Cop.
I love the part where Doctor Strange started traveling from one universe to another to acquire dozens of NFT’s and then selling them in different universes so he could raise more money for the set of the next Avengers film.
Epic
Dr Avergers
The most unbelievable part of the film is that there are universes where NFTs are worth something.
That part made made my wee-wee hard. Not rock hard, but more like a hard boiled egg hard.
@@whenpigsfly8178 oh yeah, it sucks that I can’t spoil that part to any of my friends until after they watch it. So awesome
The fact that a video with two guys talking about the latest Marvel/Sam Raimi movie with the enthusiasm of a dentist visit still gives me hope.
Did you forget an "exists" after "visit"?
Their super hero reviews are always their worst content. These movies are just soulless and not interesting but they know this crap gets the clicks. So they just blandly sit there and review with zero enthusiasm lol.
@@LumpyAdamsdon’t necessarily agree, they can be pretty funny ripping into the worse ones and also if they were only doing superhero movie reviews for the clicks wouldn’t they have reviewed The Batman by now?
Mike is literally explaining everything
Literally 😤
He's just explaining it. We know it's literal
you mean mikesplaining...
Its wrong
Ooojh
"I wish *my* name sounded like a sex position."
And thus the Stoklasa manoeuver was created.
Is that like the kobayashi maru of sex manouvers?
@@avenderiel Nobody wins, in the end, when you whip out the Stoklasa Maneuver.
Stoklasa is Polish for sausage pounding
Stoklass-to-mouth
@@Corbomite_Meatballs So many deaths brought upon by the Stoklasa maneuver...
The “Mike was wrong” segment was informative, funny and poignant.
Don't know how Mike can top that the next time he is editing
I don't know. It felt way too long to be all that funny to me
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Informative... seems like total and utter BS to go from evidenced factoid that there WERE easter eggs in Rocky Horror, and then go to a whole different context of video games where one thing one time was CALLED "an easter egg hunt", like that's the first thing in history where that ever happened.
OBVIOUSLY Rocky Horror was also CALLED an easter egg hunt if there WERE easter eggs. Sounds like some obtuse wikimedia "citation needed" standard being used, where an obvious fact isn't admitted because you couldn't name a guy who said the obviously true thing.
Slightly parallels how Marvel used to have compelling, if bland, conflicted villains, that you could tell are evil because you understand their ethics, but now with Wanda she's just "influenced" by a corruptive force. Just listen and believe the reliable sources, mang, no need for a show and tell or thinking for yourself.
The sacred and the propane
The fun creative aspects from Raimi carried the movie a ton. Elizabeth also did a fantastic job with her slasher villain character. She stole the show for me. What the most grating aspect of the movie was marvels input. All the non stop exposition that was required, just so they fit into the larger puzzle.
Yeah anytime Raimi was just getting to do his thing and do wacky horror bullshit the enjoyment of the movie would spike significantly. And she definitely seemed to have fun playing those horror scenes.
Shame they ruined her character who is supposed to be an Avenger.
When Jay described Patrick Stewart as "the old bag of bones" I laughed so hard 🤣
There’s a multiverse version of Jay and Rich where they’re unironically doing the Nerd Crew
And another one where they’re the actors in Star Trek Picard having to work with Alex Kurtzmann
In that universe, The Jedi Council is a satirical podcast that makes fun of Redlettermedia for being blatant shills.
I think they’d rather live in the zombie universe. Or maybe there’s not much of a difference if you really think about it.
Stop it 😅
there’s another universe where rick berman never died
There's a Universe where RLM is the Definitive Source of All Information on Earth. They're ruled by Supreme Leader Plinkett.
It's the universe where everyone's worse at everything than Deadpool. Buncha functional idiots...
Haha, I knew Jay wouldn't be able to resist a new Sam Raimi movie.
Is it even a Sam Raimi movie though? Or did he just get hired as a performing monkey for Kevin Feige?
I'm surprised he's still not cancelled
Who can after 9 yrs without anything at the cinema from the man? Hell I haven't watched a Marvel movie since the original Avengers movie but I have IMAX tickets to this cause it's Sam Raimi's visual aptitude on a gigantic screen. Even through the prism of a very corporate IP that has to be worth a watch.
@@jmnyc212 it is worth it. As a Raimi fan, the parts that were clearly his doing were incredible and made the movie worth it. Ultimately the movie wasnt good, but there we so many glimmers in there that I had fun.
Neither can I.
“Did you notice the Daredevil Cameo?”
Literally everyone in my movie theater: “I clapped! I clapped when I saw it”
The cut after Mike says so confidently "look it up bitch" and is actually wrong is hilarious,
Lol, this must be their shortest Half in the Bag episode in years
Saw the time and thought, "this is gonna be a gag/fake out, or they're pretty over Marvel"
I haven't watched yet, but I hope a Gay Volcano God shows up!
And they spend first ten minutes not even talking about Dr. Strange :).
The rest of the episode is TRAPPED SOMEWHERE IN THE FUCKING MULTIVERSE.
It’s very strange seeing an ep this short.
I just love the idea of Jay taking Mike to see the movie to help him relax from Picard and Mike reacting in Horror at Professor X appearing 😂
Thinking about mike reacting in pure fear in the theater while he comes into the movie is hilarious
I feel like I might have disturbed the people sitting next to me because every time he rolled on screen I couldn't help but wheeze a bit
Andrew Garfield was the sarcastic smartass Spider-Man we always wanted, who unfortunately got stuck with the worst movies.
@@gsesquire3441 don't blame Garfield for that. That movie was released around the time being emo was in. But he did a good job of being the smart Peter
Best Spiderman, worst Peter Parker.
@@mach3wgamer Being emo hasn't been in since 2005 what the fuck are you on about?
Well idk.
I dislike holland's spuderman and peter parker.
To me he is some alternative version of the real sipderman
@@gsesquire3441 Don't worry, everyone's wrong about something. You're just like everyone else :)
The biggest problem I have with this movie is that there are no rules at all about what the protagonist and antagonist are capable of. Whenever a rule is established it’s promptly broken. There is no tension at all because either of them can just do some random unimaginable shit to pull themselves out of any situation whatsoever.
Then, the one time, the only time in the whole movie where it seemed like something had consequences, when the book was destroyed, a new book is revealed 10 seconds later
I love that these guys have basically created a decade-long career out of trying to make good jokes to each other
it elevates the experience
Rich Evans is my favorite joke.
Did it used to be entertaining to watch? Because nowadays, I'd rather listen to some guys arguing in any random barber shop over this.
@@jfgibson73 And yet you are here, instead of a barber shop. Gonna have to call bs on you
I loved the part where Dr. Strange turned into Morbius, made a dozen clones of Morbius, and used their bodies as wings to fly. Peak cinema.
MOOOOOOOOOORBIUS
It was Morbin Time.
“It Morb’in time” Morbius’s signature catchphrase
Question. Who y’all got in a fight; two VENUUMMMMMMMMMs or half of Morbius?
It isn't called the Multiverse of Morbiuseness for nothing
The way Mike explains how he would have shot a multi-scene Multiverse montage sounds like something that could have been right out of Buffy.
@@gsesquire3441 :D Very much
The World Without Shrimp and the World With Nothing But Shrimp.
Really hoping they do a video on Everything Everywhere all at Once. That movie had all the creativity I wished this movie had.
Dr Strange took a major hit because I saw a far superior multiverse movie the night before: Everything Everywhere All At Once.
I think what made that story work (besides much better writing) is that Michelle Yeoh's character got to spend time in all those other universes.
Completely agree. It feels like there is a much better movie here rather than something that felt rushed especially after seeing the recent superior multiverse film.
I also think they are completely right that they needed to show Wanda descent in the film and exploring the multiverse as Wanda/Strange try to train America (hate that name). It would have been better if it was a Scarlet Witch from another universe, but then Wanda turns into the Scarlet Witch in order to protect her family across the multiverse.
well arent you a lucky boy
I imagine a bunch of Disney/Marvel executives being like "Aw man, audiences are gonna lose it over our multiverse movie, there's gonna be nothing else like it this year" and then EEAAO came out and everyone loved it and all those execs were just like ".....Fuck."
Jay, that was the most beautifully rendered 'WRONG' I've ever seen.
I was hoping that half way through this review there'd be a "universe swap" where Mike and Jay were in different outfits and were reviewing Everything Everywhere All At Once.
With Mike waring a fake beard
@@HimerPr0 and Jay had hot dog fingers
I want them to review that movie so badly
And like Mike is replaced with Rich Evans as they talk about Everything Everywhere All At Once
I really hope they at least briefly review that movie in a catch up
No Way Home's spider dudes being really interested in the fact that Spider-Man went to space and fought Thanos was amazing I thought. No matter how self referencing.
In the first Dr. Strange Cumberbatch, in the operating room, was a music buff. He knew all there was to know about Feel So Good by Chuck Mangione.
Most joyously satisfying "WRONG" ever. 🤣🤣🤣
Bro I nearly died laughing. Woke up my roommate.
I wondered wtf was going on🤣🤣🤣
@@ridiculousman1664 you are roommate of @Actual Turtle?
I love that it is preceded by Mike saying "look it up, bitch" which to my memory is the only instance of Mike saying the word "bitch".
That’s was the funniest thing I seen ins. While
Proving Mike wrong on the Easter eggs was the best edit in a CZcams video ever. The factual captions, the slow wrong symbol on to mikes face and a lil fade at the end so beautiful.
CZcams should really make a video awards so that this scene could be nominated, oh wait ..
I rarely laugh at stuff on the internet as hard
Oh I'm sure Jay enjoyed adding that during editing
That was hilarious and Mike confidently calling Jay a bitch makes it even better
Mike had a previous instance like this before and had a similar edit, so aside from it being beautiful it also had its start from a previous episode. It's starting to become a running gag
Watching a RLM video where they review a superhero movie fills me with warmth and comfort, because it reminds me of a time when my life wasn’t in shambles.
The Strange vs Strange musical fight was the highlight of the movie for me. He basically did a class change from a mage to a bard. Am surprised no one mentioned the score during that fight, it was pretty creative with moments of silence and orchestral crescendos.
And then he became a Lich!
Not every thing is dnd, you probably don't have to be a bard to turn music into magic if you're doctor strange.
"It's a movie with a kinda messy not very engaging story filled with neat little things"
I couldn't agree more!
Middle sucked/meh but beginning & ending were fun to watch.
so true
@@Bmanritchie i loved the part's where wanda just became a slasher villain
That’s how one can describe every Sam Raimi movie.
That's exactly the feeling I got from it. Like it should have been Avengers 5 or whatever as a setup for the new phase
Anytime I see Mike and Rich make a mistake, I have faith Jay will highlight their error with the utmost pettiness. He did not disappoint when he edited this video. Bravo.
There are several videos where editor Mike does it to himself, like the baseball bat in Halloween Kills. He knows not to let pride get in the way of a good joke.
It's so perfect how he lingers a lil too long on the wrong sign to just to twist the knife
@@rolandoftheeld Evil dies tonight
@@doodooswaggy3825 Evil Mac Tonight
Jay and Mike: “Marvel films always have to have a joke to lighten the mood.” Also Jay and Mike: “This Marvel movie didn’t have enough jokes.”
I haven’t even seen the movie yet. I just wanted to see their take on it. Even when I see them flip-flop on stuff, I’m still always entertained by them
@@ninjaboy191 Yeah I don't get it, the stuff that they were complaining about was what I loved because it wasn't the overused usual marvel stuff, and they want more of the overused boring stuff back, what?! I am so done with the quips, the cameos, the usual plot of hero vs bad guy. I wish there was even more horror, this is supposed to be dark and bizarre.
At least we can both agree on Rachel McAdams' character being pointless and with no chemistry, I wish she wasn't included at all. I like Dr Strange best as a teacher/father figure to someone like Spiderman or America. The romantic plot is really boring and we've seen it a thousand times already.
I love 'em, but Mike and Jay are always very wishy-washy
Tbf this is just a comment about badly balanced tone - which goes either way.
Yeah i fucking reacted the same when they said that lmao
I love it when Jay pretends to know what he's talking about. Like not even a knock against him I genuinely love it.
It's cute
Takes a lot of cues from Mike it looks like. Can't fault em
When Jay called Patrick Stewart an old bag of bones I couldn't contain my laughter. Such an unexpected and necessary laugh.
And Mike wishing he had a name sounding like a sex position after talking about Anson Mount
I am looking forward to Patrick Stewart playing the part of "grandpa's bones" in the upcoming thriller The Inside.
If Mike hadn't pompously added "look it up, bitch!" after his Easter egg 'factoid' he wouldn't have been proven wrong.
Twice the pride, double the fall.
Nah, he would've been proved wrong as well, but it wouldn't have been as well edited or cathartic.
It was a very impressive fail. Second only to the "Tums Festival" fail
What makes it even more funny to me is the fact they watched Ready Player One which has the origin of Easter eggs as part of the climax. Classic Mike though nonetheless
When will he learn?
I just watched the MCU in order and I really enjoyed how different this one felt
Really? It had all of the same beats and gimmicks of every other Marvel movie. You won't remember more like five minutes of this in a few years.
@@dereksbooks he probably means the shots, the cinematography, visuals, raimi-ness, and brutal deaths and all
Otherwise, the story is still the same old "save the world from an evil monster" bs
@@conserztasfia0078 raimi-ness lol, his thumbprint is all over that movie
This movie fucking sucks especially compared to the first one
"Nobody wants to get in the Bryan Singer chair" (cut to photo)
That hit perfectly, hahahaha
Calling it before watching: Mike’s Picard experience was *so* terrible that he absolutely loved this flick, simply because it wasn’t Picard.
You will not be disappointed
Almost
Mike has resorted to watching MCU movies because Star Trek is dead to him. Now Jay is making the Star Trek references because someone has to carry that torch.
I'm curious about his reaction to ST Strange New Worlds, but I know in my heart he will despise it because of course he will. I doubt they will review it, but maybe they will for the masochistic thrill
Do you think Mike got some closure seeing what happened to Neil Patrick Harris in the movie?
When I saw the thumbnail for a new half in the bag I murmured "oh god, yes" like a wife in a loveless marriage eating premium icecream.
Wow, that's... Oddly specific!
I can't believe they haven't watched Everything, Everywhere, All at Once. I would've loved to hear them compare the two very different multiverse films.
I really enjoyed this as a low stakes, much more violent take on a Marvel film with some really fun sequences. The first section was really underwhelming, but see Raimi going full Evil Dead at the end was a really fun Twist! Also I feel like originally, the Villain was going to be Wanda from another Dimension who'd never gotten a chance at redemption, but maybe that plot got chopped for time?
I want a rate R cut
low stakes? Statue Dr. Strange destroyed an entire universe and got shouted to death for it and that universe's illuminati are all dead.
@@NEWFIExGAMING yeah and we're never going to interact with those aspects again, even with the sequel bait. That alternate universe was for exposition and fanservice
@@fenrirlives2226 While I enjoyed the movie. I do feel like the point of this film was just set up the multiverse/incursions/Avengers Secret Wars film. You get that Sam Rami vibe and feel but it lacks like his full creative vision over the project (mostly in relation to the plot and events). The visuals are fantastic, especially with the camera work and presentation of weird magic stuff.
Just wished they added 10-20 minutes, it could add to the pacing and character development
She never got redeemed anyway. She enslaved and entire town to the point that they wished they were dead and then got off Scott free. She's more villainous than Thanos 🤣
The Stoklasa is just missionary punctuated with Star Trek facts.
... and a general fact that's wrong.
It's when you use chloroform on a Woodoo Hide rag beforehand.
Throw in some terrible puns. "What's the measure of _this_ man? Is it a deep nine in your space? What do mean I'm attempting an incursion into your neutral zone? I'm just trying to put this borg implant in you then fill you with reverse-engineered nanoprobes to blast your wormhole all the way back to the delta quadrant."
@@vituperation Where no man has gone before, the naked time, Friday's child, is there in truth no beauty when I use my turnabout intruder on your undiscovered country?
@@vituperation With dirty talk that naughty, I bet you have all the girls and non-gendered species hanging off your arms when you visit Risa
Imagine the universe where Jay says "I can't believe Sam Raimi based this movie on the famous TNG episode...", and Mike starts to have a seizure because he just wants to go home watch Twin Peaks again...
Alex Kurtzman got his hands on Twin Peaks in this universe.
Cameron Mitchell just won an Oscar.
@@adamstone3318 As he should!
@@sir0nion
Are you trying to kill us through cancer in type form??
Patrick played Professor X...proving he can still act in character and not just play himself. (j/k)
Loved the third act. It was like riding the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland.
Well, now I'm not sure if I should see the movie. I've only been on the Disney World Mansion ride. I'm not sure how much the subtle differences will translate into a jarring film experience.
Which is easily the worst ride at Disneyland...
MoM is the film that killed the MCU.
The "WRONG" bit was the best. It really nailed home that feeling, where Mike was, once again, wrong.
Darkman also had that piratey sound to his voice as well as the exposed teeth to the jaw. I honestly couldn't tell if Zombie Strange was more an homage to Darkman or Deadite Ash from Army of Darkness.
God you’re right…
Both?
I kind of want him to direct a Superman movie that's actually a secret Bizaro movie and Bizaro has the jerky Darkman/Deadite Ash vibe.
I think raimi just like dead looking characters doing a piratey voice
Couldn’t care less about these movies but I always look forward to seeing the boys talking about them
Despite having seen this movie only a few months ago, I've forgotten 80% of it. Although I haven't seen the original Doctor Strange for a few years, I still remember 80% of it. The Marvel movies are simply an assembly line of cookie cutter product now and have been for years.
The music note battle was an interesting idea, but probably executed too on the nose. A musician and a concept artist I think could hash out some really interesting ideas if they thought about the sound and shape of the notes more.
My working theory is that the exchange of notes, and the duel in general, was inspired by the campiness from the wizard duel from The Raven, which is an old Vincent Price movie, which is the person after whom Dr. Strange's appearance was inspired in the comics. I think a lot of the campier elements from this whole movie were a Vincent Price tribute.
@@zenoftw very interesting. Too bad the idea wasn’t pushed to something way more creative.
I hated that scene but I honestly don’t know why. It’s just… ugh.
@@goonsgoons1 it was mainly too cartoony when it didn’t have to be.
The fact the score barely reflects was real wasted potential. Personally, they didn't commit to the camp enough. They should've been launching full symphonies at each other and have their interpretations of the notes merging to make something really chaotic and interesting
I feel like you have to talk about "Everything, Everywhere, All At Once" now since Mike's wish list for the multiverse stuff in Dr. Strange would be fulfilled above and beyond what he wanted.
it really did make MoM look so superficial in comparison. I'm hoping they'll watch it!
Yesss! The wild creativity in that film makes Doctor Strange look like a big commercial, corporate joke. Let alone how they somehow managed to shove in a beautifully emotional story on top of all the insanity
@@whiteganserwere the marvel comics use of the multiverse ever as wacky and chaotic as everything everywhere all at once?
You wanted Wolverine to rock up with dildos coming out of his hands instead of blades and try to shove butt plugs up his arse?
@@ZachTechnicolour I like that marvel are slowly building into the multiverse.... Rather than just going straight chaotic
I became a EEAAO missionary after watching it. Better than every marvel movie combined
Jay editing in a one minute sequence solely to disprove Mike's claim to the origins of the term Easter Egg was the best part of this episode
it broke new ground
Far more entertaining and emotional, over anything ever produced by Marvel.
Passive progressive
I think this story was nearly great for Wanda, but like Mike said it needed just a few moments more to show that Wanda did not overcome her grief and need for family. An after credits scene should not be the foundation of a character's motivation and corruption in a separate film.
I also think Wanda's morality could have been preserved if it was revealed another Scarlet Witch was using or cooperating with the Wanda we know. It would explicitly show there are multiple versions of her willing to tear the multiverse apart and that would be the character motivation for Wanda destroying not only her own darkhold but every darkhold in the multiverse.
Ooh that would've been good!
If there was a darker Wanda talking with our Wanda throughout some of this like you say, leading to her darkhold destruction decision at the end.
As it stands though, this movie I think is legitimately the worst MCU movie and might actually be worse than some of those terrible DC movies as well.
To take a well established and written character, suddenly turn her into a one note murderous rampaging villain and give us no exploration of how that happened beyond telling us a couple times that "uh, this book is bad" is beyond stupid.
The only part of me that felt like the plot was acceptableish was the part of me that had seen Agents of Shield, a non-canon tv show a decade old that actually showed the corrupting influence of the Darkhold in marginally acceptable detail.
I can't imagine what the creators of WandaVision must've thought seeing this film.
Absolutely terrible lol.
Just from a story perspective mind you, the directing was good for the most part I felt (though the gore of the illuminati deaths was definitely too much for me personally lol, but I appreciate others are into that kind of thing).
WandaVision sets Wanda on the path to self-discovery learning about Chthon and chaos magic, this movie destroys all of that potential and progress.
Wanda became their most popular female character because of WandaVision. MoM was Marvel shooting their own limbs off.
You know it's bad when Family Guy did a better job covering multiverses than Doctor Strange.
My favorite thing about Jay is the amount of joy he got making a full minute edit of Mike's face with WRONG slowly being stamped over it lol
I like how the first 10 minutes were mostly about how they thought the last 2 Spiderman movies were ok/enjoyable, and then the next five minutes were Evil Dead/Army of Darkness references. . .and then they never said whether they would recommend watching the movie or not lol Jay started to say he would recommend it if you got to see it for free or like on Disney+ and then Mike asked if he could please leave now XD
Classic RLM
That's the answer, this is a perfect movie to see if you can sneak in through the exit in the back.
it's a movie you watch in the backroom while doing something boring like washing dishes
It is bad. A very bad movie.
I got invited to see it, and I still felt bad for the person that paid my seat.
For years now I've been trying to articulate my thoughts about fantasy adventure movies and here's what I have so far. To make an effective fantasy story, there needs to be more of the mundane than of magic, mystery, and might. Less is more. But the MCU has for the most part become one cgi fest after another. The charm of Iron Man and the very first Spider-man was the real set pieces, the vulnerability of the characters, and the fact that they had JOBS. They ate food, drove cars, worried about money, watched the news, interacted with regular people, etc. I think the slow and novel emergence of a transcendent being and their antithesis rival in an otherwise mundane world is the most fascinating story of all, while going past that will always be less astonishing. I mean FFS, this movie kicks off with Strange casually battling a giant tentacle monster in a city street while Christine is practically rolling her eyes at it instead of having any kind of normal reaction like I dunno screaming in insane terror. Mordo said it best... "there's too many sorcerers". All the Thors, Captains, Animalmen, and cookie cutter rogues they face don't do it for me anymore. These all feel like Pixar movies to me now, formulaic and forgettable :( I hate being old. HOWEVER THERE IS HOPE. I watched The Batman and it was so refreshing! If you told me (arguably) the best Batman movie ever would star the Twilight guy and John Turturro and Colin Farrel as fucking Penguin, I never would have believed you.
I think you encapsulated my thoughts on this exactly. I was just thinking about the first Marvel movies. Iron Man was fairly grounded. People don't probably remember, but it was refreshing because other superhero movies at the time were a bit over the top. Hell even the first Thor has him lose his power for a majority of the film, in an effort to gradually introduce the concept of an alien race of "gods". Marvel has completely ditched the concept of keeping the conflicts toned down, to heighten the stakes for the character's personal lives. It was more enjoyable, IMO.
Far From Home is like the last marvel thing I managed to enjoy. I'm glad Mike likes it
I agree with Jay so much. It might as well be Wanda's movie
Mike sure wishes he could enter a universe where "Star Trek: Picard" doesn't SUCK.
the only way for that to be true would be a universe where the show was never made
No. Mike wants to enter a Universe where Star Trek ended in the 90s
That universe requires that Kurtzman's dad pulled out.
I love how Mike takes a shot at Bryan Singer every chance he gets 🤣
To bad it's not with a gun.
As someone extremely cynical about anything related to marvel, I got to say this movie won me over by the later half, particularly after the brutality of the Illuminati fight. The audio, camera angles, and emotional sequences definitely had Raimi's secret sauce, and I was pleasantly surprised by the the horror elements. It feels refreshingly unsanitized unlike most of the franchise. Although the plot is not great it ends on a strong note, and is more relatable than "badguy purple mcguffin man" of the week as per usual. This isn't Raimi's best work, but it's an exceptionally fun watch; more fun than I've had with marvel in actual years. And that's ultimately what these movies aim for anyway. I think he was the perfect pick for a doctor strange film.
The second half of the movie definitely worked better than the first half. Once they got to the point where they just let Raimi go nuts with the direction, the movie kicked up several notches for me.
I agree, while I do see where Mike and Jay are coming from with their criticisms, a lot of the movie is so out there compared to almost every other marvel piece of corporate noise that I can't help but like it
Doctor Strange was into music since the beginning of the first movie. While performing a surgery, the other doctors were testing Strange's musical knowledge.
@terrylaze74 During this episode, they asked if it was ever set up that Strange was into music. Yes, it was
Calling No Way Home the worlds longest Super Bowl commercial is the most accurate statement of the movie ever.
Ironically it didn’t have a trailer during last year’s Super Bowl 😂
Mike being wrong is just as iconic as Rich Evans mispronouncing words
“…just as iconic as Rich Evans mispromouncing…mis-mis-mispronouncing words!”
Chable
folding chable
i love mike's backstory of 'easter eggs' moreso than the real one
Jay probably didn’t have to even look up that Easter egg fact, he just recalled the last game he played.
“Everything, Everywhere, All at Once” is a multiverse movie I’d love to see them review
I scrolled to see if this was already mentioned
I am taking a poop while writing this comment.
@@Coryalan2 Whose poop are you taking, and did they give you permission?
Jay - Evil Spock reference
Jay - Pointing out the actor that plays Pike on Star Trek
The multiverse is real. How do I get home?
Green Goblin: You know I am something of a movie critic myself
I find it an interesting coincidence that Sam Raimi is directing the new Strange movie and the end of No way Home plays out as a better battle on a construction site than Spider man 3. I liked this movie I hope Sam Raimi gets to do more.
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The few issues I had were mostly about Wanda being driven to a point of madness. I noted her fingers had a black tips, I would've loved to see her becoming more corrupt from the Dark hold as a consequence of her expending so much power so we would get more of a tortured hero/anti-hero journey. The Dark Hold itself would've been cool if they had added some sort of whispers/ hallucinations to show how it is slowly corrupting it's user. When Wanda possesses the alternate Wanda it would have been interesting to have a quick discussion between the two in their heads because it was rather surprising that after possessing her, getting what she wants she leaves, and alt.Wanda just goes...home? Like she has powers also?!?! and she is like ''Where am I? Whatever, I am going home.'' and just leaves.
Setting up and killing all the illuminati was amusing but how they handled Wanda was darkly funny. They can deal with Magic users, they have magical handcuffs that negate magic and are like lets just talk and fight her physically while we leave our magic user comrade alone with Strange, not like a fellow magic user would be invaluable against a...er, magic user LOL ;P
The NWH fight was ass compared to Spider-Man 3 not remotely better
I liked the fact that Dr. Strange is trying to fight against the fact that the rest of his selfs are evil, but I think that needed to be fleshed out more as his motivation.
My favourite part was when Black Bolt went to speak and Rich Evans voice saying "AAAIIIDS!" came out.
lmao
I’ll be honest I smiled really big when the movie just kinda turned into Army of Darkness for a little at the climax
Yeah same
I enjoyed the movie! But I am sort of peeved that it was sold to me through ‘No Way Home’ as sort of a Strange-focused sequel to the events of that movie, where Strange has to account for almost breaking the multi/uni/verse with his magic. Then they just sort of hand-waved that whole thing away in the first conversation about the multiverse.
Wait, holy shit lol. I hadn’t thought about that. No Way Home had nothing to do with MoM. What the
My personal favorite part of the movie was during the pre-show trailers when the Minions movie showed up and my friend screamed "YES!!"
My favourite part of the movie is when michael morbius showed up and said "it's Morbius time."
I liked the part when he turned to face the camera and said "Please watch the new hit film Morbius in theatres now," before masturbating into the camera for twelve minutes.
It’s Morbin’ time.
Morbo Mode
So true, almost forgot my daily morbius rewatch
Hilarious and original
"I wish my name sounded like a sex position"
I'm pretty sure the Stoklasa is mentioned in the Kama Sutra.
Jay Bauman is mentioned extensively in The Man Hole.
I vaguely recall a dude asking a hooker once: "How much for a stoklasa?" She reflexively covered her backside.
I'm pretty sure drunk sex has existed thousands of years before Kama Sutra was ever written.
When John Krazinski showed up, I heard someone to my left gasp and then say "It's Big Tuna!"
How does Mike not realize that Wanda’s motivation is the dark hold showed her Mikes least favourite episode of TNG Parallels where there are infinite versions of Worf?
I really enjoyed the musical notes fight. I always wanted the magic people to use their environment in their finger waggling & it’s always just orange beams & circles. The notes were great.
My problem was they used it for the entire fight
@@melonhead2477 yeah it was cool
Except it just amounted to fireball/shield. It wasn't clever at all, it was just a skin
I thought it was cool that the scene’s score changed in response to the notes they were playing
@@melonhead2477 that was the best part. they actually tried to explore a theme in the effects instead of just throwing a "music notes" skin on their standard magic missile spell. the reactive music was very fitting and the conclusion of the sequence actually followed very loose principles of acoustics. to me it was honestly the best scene in the movie.
This video is just the waiting room for Picard Season 2 episode 10 re:View
Like the Red Room for the Black Lodge.
_let'S sucK_ !
@@stackthatartpaper yet you clicked on it
Wanda wiping out the Illuminati and the Temple were the two biggest kick ass action scenes that made Zombie Strange final battle feel anticlimactic.
Felt like WandaVision: The Movie Introducing America Chavez and... also staring dr strange.
And that is what Disney/Marvel have been doing for years now with their male characters. Tear down the male character making him dumb and/or evil and building up a female character. Kevin Feige said a few years ago going forward they would focus only on female characters. Just wait for Thor Love and Thunder to do the same thing to Thor.
It’s basically a scarlet witch movie with dr strange in it just like how Loki was a female Loki show with our mcu variant
@@thepsychomagus They ruined Wanda, though. Raimi is awful at handling female characters and clearly had no interest in Wanda as a character. She's a comedy cartoon character here.
If Raimi is directing a movie, don't have any women characters in the movie. He should stick to what he is goof at, male character movies.
Maybe I'm just as burned out on Star Trek: Picard as Mike is but, I'll be honest here, I marked out more at seeing Professor X's big yellow hoverchair finally be used in a live action Marvel film over Patrick Stewart's cameo.
If they continue with the whole "Multiverse" thing, we need Bruce Campbell as an alternate Dr Strange.
No, he needs to be Mysterio
I wanna see Tom Jane’s Punisher back!!!
No, he needs to be *every* Marvel character
Speak for yourself, dweeb.
@@robert779 Thomas Jane is the Punisher. Best Punisher movie and video game ever.
Can’t believe Jay didn’t think differently of the movie, as a Raimi fan I was laughing through most of the third act!!! Doctor Strange Zombie Man literally winked at the audience 😉🤣 and they didn’t mention the lovely cameo from Bruce Campbell either….
Bruce Campbell was in the movie? Groovy
Ya I'm surprised he didn't mention it either since Raimi loves to have his Bruce Campbell cameos in his movies. The cameo was quite funny in this one too.
@@Cotcan I was wondering about that too. It’s always good to see Bruce Campbell.
Yeah the fact that the zombie character with souls for a cloak turned out to not be a bad guy, but rather the protagonist possessing an alternate self's dead body was a pretty neat subversion of expectation. And it's Sam Raimi, of course he recognizes how goofy the effect looks, he's banking on you laughing at the close ups and the zombie speaking normally while not having lips.
Campbell cameo was great of course. I dunno if it's a spoiler really but the "end" of his cameo was excellent. Also another Raimi easter egg was a floating '73 Oldsmobile in the destroyed universe.
@@ashb7 Ooh I missed the Oldsmobile.
So i guess musical Dr strange was a masterful pianist and he had the car crash that left him unable to play the piano, just like the surgeon unable to operate. Pretty cool actually.
I believe in the first film he was a classical buff, had a grand piano in his apartment. It was a conceit that after his surgery he couldn't play anymore.
For the musical fight, doesn't that come straight from Kung Fu Hustle (2004)??
In wandavision we saw Wanda deal with the loss of her family and see how grief twisted her.
In what if , we say doctor strange deal with the loss of Christine and no matter how hard he tried he can never be with her.
Both of these emotional journeys were very similar to MoM. Which made me feel like i had already seen this and imo i think the shows kinda did it better (at rhe very least less rushed).
MoM is still a good movie, but most of the story kinda fell flat for me.
MoM is a good movie if Wanda is replaced with a villain of the week instead of her.
Or if they just added 20 - 30 minutes to show Wanda's descent to the state she is in MoM.
As it stands we just get incredibly badly written Wanda and simply told the Darkhold is bad but never shown it (not so much as even evil whispers like Lord of the RIngs' ring or something), like at least show us an example of how it corrupts and show us a version of Wanda who resists it at first before giving in or something.
The Strange-caused-a-universe-to-die explanation-by-proxy was frankly just nowhere near good enough.
@@OneWingedRose agreed
Meh since Wanda erased all the Xmen, you kinda just wait for the other shoe to drop on this one if you are knowledgeable
@@wt_neptune54 idk if they will actually stick to house of m.
Plus just cause this may build to something in the future,doesn't make this good
@@OneWingedRose Where was Chthon? The source of Wanda's magic and author of the Darkhold? We should at least havd heard him?