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Installation of NCE's EB-1 Circuit Breakers
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- čas přidán 6. 01. 2013
- This is the installation of my NCE EB-1 circuit breakers. I am using them to power manage my 6 districts on the layout. I basically divided the layout by the towns I have setup, plus the hidden staging as a district also. I built the panel out of 1/2"" plywood that I sanded and painted with 2 coats of primer. I mounted the EB-1s with 1" drywall screws, and used 1/4" tubing cut to 1/2" length as spacers. I will be adding Brother P-touch labels under each EB-1 to show which area of the layout it handles.
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Thanks for watching
Ron Klaiss. A very informative and simple explanation of using the NCE EB-1 circuit breaker, plus a very neat layout as to the breakers and wiring. Thanks for sharing with fellow modelers. Best, Wiley T.
This looks like a nice companion to my NCE Power Cab & SB5 system. I really like how fast they not only trip, but reset.
Thanks, you helped make my decision!
2nd Layout, 1st time using a circuit breaker, had my doubts of me actually needing a circuit breaker but on the flip side I can’t see where it will be a negative. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks. Very helpful. Very straight forward which is great.
Thanks for the review, especially the variable current options. With so many different makers, it can get difficult deciding which to use. Looks like the NCE breakers are simple enough to use, but still have some options attached.
Your video was very informative. I'm at a point in the construction of my N scale layout where seeing this video made me aware of something that I really wasn't
aware of. I also have a Power Cab System so this seems like a perfect solution for this problem. Great Job! Looking forward to any more information you might have!
I’m glad it was helpful for you.
Ron, thank you for your quick response. Thank you for your insight into my problem. I bet that is the problem. I will increase the amp setting until it no longer trips my command station. Lynn
awesome video!
I'm going use this idea on my layout. Only difference one will be use only for switches and accessories.
Thanks
Thank you! This helped!
Thanks! That was helpful.
You're welcome. Glad it helped.
hi, just a suggestion, placing the distribution bus in the middle and T-ing off to the NCE-EB-1 left and right from the bus... would keep the bus wiring shorter and neater. Great videos, and looking forward to the next installment.
thanks buddy, I thought that was how but was not 100%. Great Video man, thanks for the advice, keep up the great work.
GREAT HOW TOO !!!
Ron, great video. a few questions. Do I need a resistor for my leds signal? and what size of wiring are you using in the video? can I use 14 or 16 ? thanks
Each district is sepperated by plastic insulation track joiners or by cutting the rail and gluing styrene in the gap with CA glue, then filing it to track profile. You have to do both rails for districts. Only one rail for block detection, with the BD20s by NCE.
Thanks for the vid, well explained.
Got a wee question. I understand how these wire in ok.
I want to convert to DCC and thinking if using Z21 system with Cobalt ip point/turnout motors and EB1 Circuit Breakers.
1) If I rig those to an accessory bus instead if the track bus doesn't that mean the frog crossings would also be powered by the accessory bus? Is this a problem or defeating the object?
2) I think the Z21is a 3 amp system, if circuit breakers are set at 2.5 amps does that mean I'm limiting the full capacity of the system? Similarly if I set it to 3.5 amps (the next one up) does that mean it'll only work once 0.5amp extra has been used meaning the DCC system may be cooked.
I would contact NCE directly. Your question is beyond my knowledge. They are very helpful.
www.ncedcc.com/
Great video, thanks for sharing. Do you have to isolate the the sections of track that each circuit breaker feeds? If so how do you isolate them?
Hi... Pretty good!
I do have a problem, I just got one for now. I' am a little confuse with the instructions.
The shunt ( if I spelled that right ) it came connected in the bag. does it have to be connected or not for regular use. The way I understand it, its only connected for programing if need's to. Can you clarify this for me? I think yours show connected not sure. any problems? What's your experiance with this? I' am a little afraid of connecting it , not sure if I'll erase something.
Thanks.
Hi just found this video and it was exactly what I was looking for, so thank you for that. I have a question for you that I hope you can help me with, I now thanks to your video understand power districts but do you use the feed from the output of each breaker to power the turnouts as well as the track? Or do you use a separate breaker to supply power to the turnouts? Hope this makes sense.
I would run a separate power supply to run your switch motors. If you mean power to the track of the switches, then you use power from each break, depending on which district your switches are in.
Great video Ron! Just 1 question? Can a Autoreverser count as a circut breaker? Or will I still need a breaker for that block that the autoreverser is in?
Some reversers have circuit breakers built in and other don't. So it depends on which manufacture you buy.
seems a little complex but at the same time a little simple. i use the hornby elite, if there is a short it stops everything. then you sort out the short and then you turn the knobs on the controller very slightly and it all goes back to how it was. At least with this system you have what you call districts or sections so your not stopping all the trains.
Steve
I wish the fault/status indicator lights worked in reverse, I would prefer they illuminate when faulted. I know I could do a relay set up to achieve that, would have been nice to have a CV option for that.
The cicuit breakers are located in the middle of the layout. The busses branch off in all directions equally. That's why I have 6 EB-1s to handle each district.
Hey Ron, I like the looks of the distribution buss / terminal strip you are using - I'd like to look into it. Who is the manufacturer? I believe I've seen them before, but don't recall where. Thanks.
Matt
+Matt Goodman They are the European style. I buy most of my electronic supplies from Jameco.com
Great stuff man! Neat pannel! I need at least 3 of those. How much did you say you pay for them? and I have Digitrax does it work with it? Thanks in advance!
Do you use plastic rail jointers for each block
I have in the past. On this layout I used a Dremel to cut thin gaps. Then super glue in small squares of styrene. Then use small files to shape it to the profile of the rail.
Hi Ron. I have a small 3' x 4.5' coffee table dcc n scale layout. There are five switches with sidings, a bypass and a crossover. The circuitry is broken up into 9 blocks. To install 9 EB-1 circuit breakers will cost about $300. Can I just start with one of these on the main output from the power source (NCE Power Cab) and then slowly add EB-1s to each block? Thanks.
Absolutely. Insulate the track sections as if you have 9 districts, to prepare for the future wiring. Connect all of them to a single buss back to the EB-1. As you add more EB-1s, just cut the feeder from the district you want separate and run a second buss back to the new circuit breaker.
@@MineMountModels Thanks for the quick response. I thought that is probably the case. Will get started soon. Love all the information you put out on CZcams.
What size cable are you using Ron , i have tried to connect 14 awg stranded and find i have great difficulty getting the cable in the connectors,
Regards,
Tony.
My buss wires are 14AWG. I just twist the stripped end tight, and it goes into the terminal block of the breaker. My buss runs are short so I could of got away with 16AWG.
I have two of the EB1 and when Thr section shorts the entire system shorts even the other blocks. Do you have any ideas of what's wrong?
NSBNSF there are a few factors you need to provide to help diagnose. What DCC system are you using? Also, what amperage are the EB1s set to? Are both rails on each end of each district insulated?
Ron Klaiss MRC, I've had them working fine with my older system. Blocks are separate and they should be at factory settings.
I’m not familiar with MRC. You should call MRC or NCE customer service. I know Ed at NCE is a great guy who helped almost everyone who contacted them. 👍🏼
I’m having exactly the same problem. Using a SB5 and a Power Cab and two EB1’s powering isolated districts. When either 1 EB1 shorts it immediately shuts both EB1’s down and also the SB5 causing a complete shutdown of my layout.
going with NCE and thank you for putting this up nice job i will have 6 all so on my layout 18 x 18 if you get min. look in on my videos and let me know what you think again thanks
Mr. Ron what is the Size of Wire & Brand your connecting your system with it looks like 14Awg but it may be 12, was trying to figure Out the Brand of your wire :)
The wire I'm using for my Buss Line for my N Scale Layout I got from our local Lowe's store I'm using 18Awg thermostat Wire I decided to get it so I could then Drop down to KATO's 24Awg Wire Joiners KATO to me is not to Keen on there choice of Wire Size! to me it should be @ least 18Awg but I guess they Know what works with DCC systems and there powered Rail Joiners..
So far everything is working ok but who knows.. I'm currently only using the Power Cab System..
The buss is 14AWG stranded, and the drops are 22AWG solid
do you have to paint th board or is it safe to mount the breakers to exposed plywood, or is that a fire hazard?
The board doesn't have to be painted. I just did it for looks, and to see the wires easier. I cut short pieces of tubing as spacers between the electrical boards and the wood.
Ron Klaiss would some fish tank tubing work for making spacers? I have tons of it...
+5dmc1 as long as it doesn't squish when you tighten the screws.
how much space does there need to be between the board and the device?
+5dmc1 I have about a1/4"
Great video! I have the same setup but with only three power districts. What happens when I short out one district, it shorts out my command station and thus turns everything off. What do you think? Lynn
Your amp setting maybe to low. From the factory it is set at 2.5 amps, the lowest setting. The EB1 can be set to different Amps, from 2.5-8amps. If you look at the manual, which is on NCEs website, on page 3 it shows you how to adjust the jumpers.
@@MineMountModels Can the jumpers be screwed on to change the amps or must they be soldered?
@@johnflaherty5343 the jumpers are small connectors that are provided with the unit by NCE. No need to screw or solder.
@@MineMountModels Thank you
Ok Ron...I'm at a loss so I'll pick your mind to see if you can think of a solution to my problem. I have installed (6) of the EB-1 circuit breakers on a board. I have it wired exactly as yours with Red side to the X side of the EB-1 and Black wire set to the solid black dot side. There are no jumpers set and my default is still at 2.5 amps. I also have tried changing the amps setting all the way up to 8 amps with same result. Here is the problem: When I short one of the zones, the light goes out on that board, then within a second or two, all of the boards flash simultaneously, going off and then back on. I cannot get them to react independantly. I have checked everything I can think of, checking for shorts between boards etc.
Michael Wyatt what is your command station? If it's the PowerCab, that shorts out at a lower amperage. So it overrides all the other breakers.
I'm using Digitrax DCS-51 Zephyr.
Michael Wyatt the zephyr looks like it has 3amp output. That may be affecting the breakers.
What are your thoughts? I have tried going up in amps on each of the EB1's all the way up to 8 amp setting for each one. If the zephyr is 3 amps and the EB1 is set by default to 2.5, shouldn't the EB1 trip first? I'm out of ideas and a butt load of money for the 6 EB1's I purchased.
Michael Wyatt contact NCE customer service. They are great. Most likely Ed will help you. You can also ask NCE on their facebook page.
Are you going totally NCE. I am looking at getting something started
+James Baxter I use a NCE 5A wireless system for the layout. The districts are split into 6 regions using the EB-1s, as you see in the video. I control the staging track routing using NCE Mini Panel and a NCE Switch 8. My frog polarity is controlled by Tam Valley Hex Frog juicers.
Thanks. I get my Breakers from Hogtrainz (Make sure you use a "z"). Add the .com at the end and check out his site. It is the cheaps I found on the whole net($22.25 each). I even got my new Power Pro wireless system from there. The NCE EB-1 will work on Digitrax. I also got my block detection from him. hogtrainz . com
Thank you Ron , excellent vid.
Regards.
Tony.
UK.
Great Video! so when the wires come from the circuit breaker to the tracks do all of the tracks in the same district have to be connected to the circuit breaker? I'm starting my layout, if you have any ideas please share and subscribe
It's advisable that you connect all your tracks to your bus lines or individual districts bus lines. So to answer your question yes all the tracks have to be connected to the breaker for that particular district.
Ahh okay great, thanks! So does the wires coming from the breaker then act as your bus line for that district?
+Flash Jones yes
+Flash Jones insulate both rails in between each district