Never thought Giger had a chance. He is just not competitive enough, and he stated more than once that he doesn’t really like being in competitions. That’s already a massive handicap.
it's cuz social media skaters have everyone thinking they're better than they really are. his specialty is take X hours to land a crazy trick and make everyone think I'm as good as Rodney mullen. tik tok skaters all have ppl thinking they're 10x better than they really are. social media skaters are like cancer in our scene dude. there's a reason they don't win contests or have a bunch of real sponsorships. I mean Giger and Jamie deserve sponsors 4 sure. but 99% of em don't.
@@claysoggyfries oh dude 4 sure, I never said he sucked or nothing like that man!!!!! lol I wonder what would happen if these little 13 yr old kids from Japan started trying to skate like that🤣 have u seen these kids dude? like at Tampa Am this year? shit is in-SANE what these little kids are doing bro. it's cuz of YUTO winning the Olympics you know it is, but it's creating little badass skaters everywhere over there lol
This.. though I don't think he meant to be a dick. He probably expected to not have many chances to show this kinda stuff to the BATB audience... huge double L in the end, doubt he gained many subs from this.
Personally don't think that would have worked either. He would likely have missed a set after the straight 8. He seems to be more consistent with some of the hard stuff than he is with some of the intermediate stuff. It's a shame he hasn't managed to do better at the berics but at the end of the day, jonny doesn't need the berics to be considered one of the best flat ground skaters about atm.
When it’s just him and a tripod he has no prob. When there’s people around and you’re in LA at the Berrics his body is reacting to the major difference in atmosphere.
I really hope Johnny will overcome that lose and come to the next Batb. As you said, he had very tough opponents each time and he gave them a good battle. Johnny, if you read this, don't give up! You definitely can go quite far in batb, you just need to learn how to handle all of this pressure.
Jonny is getting worse at the "basic tricks" every year though, he doesn't practice them enough (which is understandable, he loves doing some different things). I would love to see him win at least one round but I don't see that coming sadly after his third attempt.
In another video you mentioned that Giger was the skater who got The Berrics the most views in his videos. And yes, to be fair, his other battles were against PRod and Jaime, so I think the audience would like to see him again.
Giger was injured as far as I know. He went to Japan before going to LA worn out and got injured, so he probably didn't care as much giving the odds against him. Would love to see him back in every season from now on. Zack is a monster on four wheels though but I would love to see him competing Giger in a better state.
I love and was rooting for Johny. I think he just gets too nervous. he needs to move to the US to film and practice real street. .. its just to pretty out in Switzerland! his video parts and parks look like a movie backdrop. ..not hating on JG, but i think you get what im saying.
Why would he ever leave that place? He’s clearly got a good thing going - probably making more money in his home country and his own culture and existing sponsors and channel than he would while paying rent in the US and living in the LA hellhole
at least this time jonny didn't have to go up against a winner first round. batb7 he had to play p-rod, former winner, first round. then batb12 he had to play jamie griffin, who'd go on to win, first round. i never understand the decisions they make when drawing the bracket. like this year doing sewa and jamie first round. madness!
People are honestly glazing Johnny too hard. He didnt throw the match nor is he good enough to win it obviously since its been 3 times he couldnt make it out of round 1. Hes good at kooky circus tricks but you need consistency in BATB to win. Johnny seems like a nice guy but lets be real, hes never gonna get the win. He doesnt need to win tho hes a solid guy
EXACTLY. tik tok social media skaters who do crazy circus tricks taking hours just to land one trick aren't the best of the best in our industry. this is why I hate on social media skaters, they trick everyone to think they're gods at skating when they're far from it.
dude, it takes him 53 tries to land those crazy tricks why do u think he never used them and why do u think he's never won a single game😅 proof that 99% of CZcams/tik tok skaters are just hype. except Jamie. and rightfully so, cuz Jamie isn't a cocky d bag.
@@eatassonthefirstdate- just hype? He’s clearly not a competition skater, but to say he’s “just hype” after watching the Rodney Mullen trick series is such a dim witted take. He’s taking primo slides to the next level, and that’s just one example.
@@ythandlerandom1278LK bro I didn't say he sucks I said he isn't consistent with all them crazy tricks. how many tries do u think it takes him to do all that crazy shit? I gave him props but ppl calling him as good as Rodney is a stretch. Rodney has video parts n contest wins to back it up, us INVENTING almost all the tricks that modern skating uses. it's disrespectful. and dude u can glaze him all u want, numbers don't lie and he isn't consistent enough to ever get outta the 1st round. but like I said, Jamie IS. and once again, 99% of tik tok/ CZcams skaters are hype.
@@eatassonthefirstdate Saying Giger is just a hype is similar nonsence like saying he's on a similar level as Mullen. Let's just keep it simple: he's good enough, he's better than most of us and he's pushing skateboarding forward. He has found his niche and he's good at it. Thanks to youtube he doesn't have to be consistent as the traditional skateboarders have to be. He can work on one trick for a whole day or even more and thanks to youtube it's possible. I think that's amazing. The viewers can see what everything is possible on a skateboard and Giger can do what he enjoys doing. That's a win-win situation.
Holy fuck! Had no idea what ever happened to Cory Kennedy when you started mentioning his name so I got google-searching...had NO idea he was in jail and responsible for P-stones death....RIP. I think I recall hearing about his death but haven't paid a lot of attention to skating in the past 5 years and somehow missed that Cory was involved. Damn.
All these Giger fanboys justifying him not being able to keep up with real skateboarders lol “He was injured” “he doesn’t like competitons” If I didn’t like competitions I wouldn’t compete 😭 You can’t lose and act like you didn’t care to begin with.
bro I thought Jonny went too hard too soon. He should have warmed up to it and got more confidence but I feel like he feels somewhat superior and goes for cutthroat and sadly he buckled under simple shit. Hey I also thought that malto vs donovan battle was staged back when it came out, I even tweeted at donovan about the probably staged nature of this battle and he just chuckled
@@ritenour12 this is why im not a big fan of the youtube and IG super tech skaters, on video they are amazing, in person they are good but not that good. zach has simple tricks but they are consistent
I mean who do u consider the better driver? the one who wrecks regularly or the one who doesn't...... can't say he's one of the best just cuz he does crazy tricks that barely make sense after filming for it all day when he don't have the fundamentals down pat. u just can't do that.
@@gaspackgary1157 ur not wrong lol he can't even get one win at BATB. he said he doesn't like competitions, he just can't land shit consistently. not even the basics. and his circus tricks take 394 tries lol That's why I hate tik tok/CZcams skaters dude. they have these kids thinking they're gods🤣
Its wierd Giger missed the switch frontshove and the switch hardflip he can add late flip on those tricks on a casual practice session. His match agaisnt Prod last way a longer and that time he still haven't really praticing hard flip tricks. Could he be nervous or there is something fishy that happened off cam before the battle. People could say Giger should have warmed up with a gentleman's tricks but watching his skate vlog he can do hard tricks on deck after just setting up his camera. Hate me if you want but i think Giger just throw off the battle for some reason.
He wasn't focused and wasn't concetrating himself enough. The opponent was focused as hell. Zach came to win, Jonny came to play. I mean who does 360 flip primo before the match as a warm up? No one. And that primo landing got him later in the game.
@@jakubbriza7274 and that's wierd why does Giger isn't foucsing on the game there is something bothering him. Switch Frontshuv and Switch Hardflip is much easier than 360 flip primo. There is something fishy that went down before the game off cam
@@leonneldayoc5715 nothing fishy went down. You seem to be a big Giger fan, which is cool, but Giger just not consistent enough at the basics. Simple as that.
@@leonneldayoc5715yeah, no. Nothing on Jonny but the fact is, he's not as good as this as a lot of his fans think. He's a great skateboarder but don't lose sight on the reality of his BATB ability. He could beat a lot of people on round 1, sure... But if he goes against someone that has fundamentals on lock, he's out.
Dang I still wish Corey Kennedy the best but wish he never drove that car drunk. He was one of my favorites and his first Nike signature shoes were so amazing with that light rubber toe for durability Edit: I am sure he is thinking the same about driving. Again wishing everyone the best
I wish BATB would make their tournament a 2-loss-elimination format. It's very frustrating seeing really strong skaters like Mark Suciu and Jonny Giger eliminated first round. *Chris Cole and Zach Doelling were deserving winners of their matches. It would just be nice to create a potential redemption match if the 2 strongest competitors happen to meet in round 1.
My brother explained double elimination in Smash Bros tournaments and I was totally confused as to why they haven't done this with Berrics given the amount of controversy. Seems like a no-brainer.
Sad to say but I dont think Mike V belongs in a BATB game. Im glad tyler won because BATB would have turned into a big joke. Not taking anything off his tricks but its not suitable for a game of skate the way its played nowadays.
I dount Zach read my comment but i was telling him just put the presaure on Giger with more basic tricks and he will crumble. He cant handle pressure and as tou could tell at the end his face was as red as his shirt.
Dude we need Cory Kennedy back in BATB. My all time fav skater and it feels like he always goes for ridiculous tricks lol. Disappointing that Giger has lost again in round 1 too, cuz he’s one of my fav flat ground skaters
I don't understand the gentleman's game concept. It's a contest not a skate demo; play to win! I mean, if you need to warm up with a basic kickflip that's fine, but I would start throwing daggers from the jump. Leave a deathblow or two for the last letter.
One problem with the interpretation of this data is that one needs to take into account the "community" frowning on players who get too aggressive too early. Were this not the case it might change player's strategy and yield different numbers.
Because the game of skate is usually viewed as a warm up amongst friends before a skate session. Most people warming up aren't exactly trying to do a nollie kickflip 360. If you watch BATB 1-5, that's always how games were played for the most part. Those were all pros though. Now they invite random skateboarders in who want to make a name for themselves so that mindset goes out the window entirely, and it makes for a more boring product. Just my opinion, and you sound like a non-skater questioning this so hard honestly lol.
@4:20 - there is an error in the formula you used to calculate the value for the above average trick consistency correlated with the position of the Earth from the Sun in the day the video was shot.. or you mentioned some “games” were shot on different days? You don't say.. Question everything.. The joke aside, I really enjoy all this data analysis you do not only on this vid ( sadly you got it correct that Giger seems to be too down to Earth to compete, and yeah, that wasn't data driven comment ), but on all your videos in this Dumb Data channel, so big thanks and keep the dumb data flow
I don't think Johnny played team sports as a kid. Say what you will about sports but they teach you things. Namely how to win, how to lose and how to compete. I think Johnny really wants to win but is also very afraid to lose.
I could imagine Cody wins the left field and Jamie on the other side. Whether him or Sewa, I think. But much can happen Tyler Petersen isn't to underestimated too.
That's why he's over hyped. That's my problem with social media skaters. and That's why most of em never get real sponsors, they don't deserve em to begin with.
I was super exited to see Zack in BOTB but was not expecting him to be matched with Giger right away, that was a Suprise and I wondered how it was going to go but I couldn't be happier with the result, Zack is fucking awesome.
Giger is ALWAYS the first one to start playing dirty. He does the same thing every single game of SKATE. If the other guy starts and goes through nothing but basics Giger will play along for a bit regardless he’ll always be the first to start using dirty tricks to get ahead early. He smiles and laughs like it’s all in good fun but it feels like it’s just him putting on an act. I think losing these games really matters to him a lot more than he lets on
With earlier batb is it fair to say that the tricks were easy, because idk maybe at the time those tricks were more deadly than they are now as skaters progress at a faster rate im assuming. But idk maybe there was alot of people doing switch flatground even in the early batb ive never went back and watched them.
Easy to check. He can just filter by BATB tournament. set it to BATB1 and see the consistency for each trick back then. If you pick a particular trick and check the consistency for BATB1 vs BATB13, if the consistency has improved, then yes, skaters have progressed and tricks that were harder are now easier/more successful. If the consistency level is pretty similar...then the tricks that were attempted havent gotten easier, they prob just added new tricks that were less consistent.
@@irishRocker1 Here is the thing, a lot of tricks weren't even DONE in the early 4 or 5 BATB, it was mostly your run of the mill type of tricks being done until they ran out of 180 flip variations and stuff like that. It wasn't really until guys like Sewa came along and started consistently pulling those weird tricks off that the BATB scene changed. The "weird' tricks in the early seasons were just Mike Mo doing stuff like cab bigger flips or the occasional double or triple flip from Billy Marks maybe. PRod with his nollie backfoot 180 flip. But once Sewa came out the gate with 5shuv, 5flip, hardflip fs 180, Nollie front foot flip, etc, the game was changed from there on out. Nowadays, a whole generation has grown up watching BATB from a young age and pushed the consistency levels through the roof.
he's good at circus tricks. that probably take 100 tries to get on film. That's the problem with 99% of tik tok social media skaters they have everyone thinking they're gods. so now Giger has lost 3x in the first round and u say he's the best flat ground skater? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 mad glazing out here in these CZcams streets
I think that Jonny's thing is a problem of how he perceives himself, in most of the games of skateboarding he goes only to play, but not to win, I think I've never seen him with a winning attitude, he always laughs and has good vibes, but that is not forgiven in a BATB, the rival is always going to win. As a psychologist (I am), I think that Jonny has great difficulty in self-assessing himself as good.
I think he’s just built different, his CZcams channel is full of him giving attempt after attempt to land some wizard level shit, I think that makes him more for the love of the craft than using it to dominate anyone.
It’s so jarring cause as a giger fan n everyone that watches giger uno he could smoke anyone in the tournament if he played the competition right it just seems he breaks under pressure n doesn’t play it simple to what he’s consistent at from the start plus some bad luck in some games
Never thought Giger had a chance. He is just not competitive enough, and he stated more than once that he doesn’t really like being in competitions. That’s already a massive handicap.
laugh... nobody really likes being in competitions...
it's cuz social media skaters have everyone thinking they're better than they really are.
his specialty is take X hours to land a crazy trick and make everyone think I'm as good as Rodney mullen.
tik tok skaters all have ppl thinking they're 10x better than they really are.
social media skaters are like cancer in our scene dude.
there's a reason they don't win contests or have a bunch of real sponsorships.
I mean Giger and Jamie deserve sponsors 4 sure.
but 99% of em don't.
@@eatassonthefirstdateYou can’t lie, he’s closer to Rodney Mullen than most of us are
@@claysoggyfries oh dude 4 sure, I never said he sucked or nothing like that man!!!!!
lol I wonder what would happen if these little 13 yr old kids from Japan started trying to skate like that🤣
have u seen these kids dude?
like at Tampa Am this year?
shit is in-SANE what these little kids are doing bro. it's cuz of YUTO winning the Olympics you know it is, but it's creating little badass skaters everywhere over there lol
@@sinikoncar7838tell that to nyJAH
Giger just threw out hard stuff too early. He should have started like a gentleman and warned up into the game
This.. though I don't think he meant to be a dick. He probably expected to not have many chances to show this kinda stuff to the BATB audience... huge double L in the end, doubt he gained many subs from this.
My thoughts exactly.
Personally don't think that would have worked either. He would likely have missed a set after the straight 8.
He seems to be more consistent with some of the hard stuff than he is with some of the intermediate stuff.
It's a shame he hasn't managed to do better at the berics but at the end of the day, jonny doesn't need the berics to be considered one of the best flat ground skaters about atm.
When it’s just him and a tripod he has no prob. When there’s people around and you’re in LA at the Berrics his body is reacting to the major difference in atmosphere.
Why? Play to win.
I hope Jonny gets invited back. He may not be the most consistent skater, but he’s fun to watch.
I really hope Johnny will overcome that lose and come to the next Batb. As you said, he had very tough opponents each time and he gave them a good battle. Johnny, if you read this, don't give up! You definitely can go quite far in batb, you just need to learn how to handle all of this pressure.
Jonny is getting worse at the "basic tricks" every year though, he doesn't practice them enough (which is understandable, he loves doing some different things). I would love to see him win at least one round but I don't see that coming sadly after his third attempt.
The pallet cleanser after the “pop” shuv was what we all needed
In another video you mentioned that Giger was the skater who got The Berrics the most views in his videos. And yes, to be fair, his other battles were against PRod and Jaime, so I think the audience would like to see him again.
@@dans2833omg you're bored by Giger it makes you such a real skater! You're so cool and I wish I could be like you some day!
Zachs strategy of a great defense is a good offense really worked for him
That Cory Kennedy / Torey Pudwill third place match has been my favorite since it happened. Was just Cory going for the throat the entire time.
Giger was injured as far as I know. He went to Japan before going to LA worn out and got injured, so he probably didn't care as much giving the odds against him. Would love to see him back in every season from now on. Zack is a monster on four wheels though but I would love to see him competing Giger in a better state.
I love and was rooting for Johny. I think he just gets too nervous. he needs to move to the US to film and practice real street. .. its just to pretty out in Switzerland! his video parts and parks look like a movie backdrop. ..not hating on JG, but i think you get what im saying.
Why would he ever leave that place? He’s clearly got a good thing going - probably making more money in his home country and his own culture and existing sponsors and channel than he would while paying rent in the US and living in the LA hellhole
at least this time jonny didn't have to go up against a winner first round. batb7 he had to play p-rod, former winner, first round. then batb12 he had to play jamie griffin, who'd go on to win, first round. i never understand the decisions they make when drawing the bracket. like this year doing sewa and jamie first round. madness!
People are honestly glazing Johnny too hard. He didnt throw the match nor is he good enough to win it obviously since its been 3 times he couldnt make it out of round 1. Hes good at kooky circus tricks but you need consistency in BATB to win. Johnny seems like a nice guy but lets be real, hes never gonna get the win. He doesnt need to win tho hes a solid guy
EXACTLY.
tik tok social media skaters who do crazy circus tricks taking hours just to land one trick aren't the best of the best in our industry.
this is why I hate on social media skaters, they trick everyone to think they're gods at skating when they're far from it.
@matthewrardin9807 Skateboarding is all about fun and respect for each other. Time you pick a new hobby, sad guy.
@@eatassonthefirstdate its not you industry idiot
He has such a deep bag, I think he was too nervous and overthinking it if he pulled out weird ones he could have easily won
dude, it takes him 53 tries to land those crazy tricks why do u think he never used them and why do u think he's never won a single game😅
proof that 99% of CZcams/tik tok skaters are just hype.
except Jamie.
and rightfully so, cuz Jamie isn't a cocky d bag.
@@eatassonthefirstdateJonny isn't cocky. He's just not as competitive and he gets super nervous in front of crowds. He's admitted that multiple times
@@eatassonthefirstdate- just hype? He’s clearly not a competition skater, but to say he’s “just hype” after watching the Rodney Mullen trick series is such a dim witted take. He’s taking primo slides to the next level, and that’s just one example.
@@ythandlerandom1278LK bro I didn't say he sucks I said he isn't consistent with all them crazy tricks. how many tries do u think it takes him to do all that crazy shit?
I gave him props but ppl calling him as good as Rodney is a stretch.
Rodney has video parts n contest wins to back it up, us INVENTING almost all the tricks that modern skating uses.
it's disrespectful.
and dude u can glaze him all u want, numbers don't lie and he isn't consistent enough to ever get outta the 1st round.
but like I said, Jamie IS.
and once again, 99% of tik tok/ CZcams skaters are hype.
@@eatassonthefirstdate Saying Giger is just a hype is similar nonsence like saying he's on a similar level as Mullen. Let's just keep it simple: he's good enough, he's better than most of us and he's pushing skateboarding forward. He has found his niche and he's good at it. Thanks to youtube he doesn't have to be consistent as the traditional skateboarders have to be. He can work on one trick for a whole day or even more and thanks to youtube it's possible. I think that's amazing. The viewers can see what everything is possible on a skateboard and Giger can do what he enjoys doing. That's a win-win situation.
That unpossible Mike mo did really was just a 3 shuv with an earlyish front foot catch. Needed more front foot wrap IMO
When you’re about to have a panic attack and then the “data dump break” hits >>>>
Jonny giger came into my sandwich shop and ordered a tuna sandwich with extra mayo
lol no he didnt
The way god intended
Who is Joey Giger
@@Bighyphyaids Jimmy's brother
You just stole this joke from someone else lol, ive seen it before
Johnny was too nervous, because he knows he can win a lot of games & even make it to the finals
His 0-3 record would like a word
@@dbsuper2928p-rod & Jamie
And Zach doelling
Gotta make it out of round 1 atleast once
Big bag of tricks, not that consistent
Are we not gonna talk about the crazy amount of data this guy has lol
Holy fuck! Had no idea what ever happened to Cory Kennedy when you started mentioning his name so I got google-searching...had NO idea he was in jail and responsible for P-stones death....RIP. I think I recall hearing about his death but haven't paid a lot of attention to skating in the past 5 years and somehow missed that Cory was involved. Damn.
The competition probably isn't Johnny's thing, nice to see him in the game though.
Dude. Your videos are so fucking good. I love data and I love skateboarding. This is amazing
Three dimensional slide transitions 😳🫡🥵
giger is done for sure hes been a first round exit every time in the battle at the berrics
This is true. Kids also demand him online. Well, they used to at least.
Jamie smoking too much pot it’s reverting him back to being 16 years old 😭😭
All these Giger fanboys justifying him not being able to keep up with real skateboarders lol
“He was injured” “he doesn’t like competitons”
If I didn’t like competitions I wouldn’t compete 😭
You can’t lose and act like you didn’t care to begin with.
bro I thought Jonny went too hard too soon. He should have warmed up to it and got more confidence but I feel like he feels somewhat superior and goes for cutthroat and sadly he buckled under simple shit. Hey I also thought that malto vs donovan battle was staged back when it came out, I even tweeted at donovan about the probably staged nature of this battle and he just chuckled
"You wouldn't be long getting frost bit!" ...I'm dead. I got 1 min into the vid and I died. 🤣🤣🤣
Giger will be missed. But maybe BATB isn't for him. Too bad.
He can do the worlds craziest tricks yes! But he usually takes a day or two to land them 😅
I don't like watching the quantum tricks. He will probably be lost to oblivion
@@ritenour12 this is why im not a big fan of the youtube and IG super tech skaters, on video they are amazing, in person they are good but not that good. zach has simple tricks but they are consistent
@@ritenour12its just nerves
Giger is one of the all time best at flip tricks, doesn't mean he has consistency, which is what wins
I mean who do u consider the better driver?
the one who wrecks regularly or the one who doesn't......
can't say he's one of the best just cuz he does crazy tricks that barely make sense after filming for it all day when he don't have the fundamentals down pat.
u just can't do that.
Bro isn’t the best at anything tbh. Not even trying to hate tho that’s just my opinion
@@gaspackgary1157 ur not wrong lol he can't even get one win at BATB.
he said he doesn't like competitions, he just can't land shit consistently.
not even the basics.
and his circus tricks take 394 tries lol
That's why I hate tik tok/CZcams skaters dude. they have these kids thinking they're gods🤣
My man Mike V with hardest trick out there! Love it haha
Its wierd Giger missed the switch frontshove and the switch hardflip he can add late flip on those tricks on a casual practice session. His match agaisnt Prod last way a longer and that time he still haven't really praticing hard flip tricks. Could he be nervous or there is something fishy that happened off cam before the battle. People could say Giger should have warmed up with a gentleman's tricks but watching his skate vlog he can do hard tricks on deck after just setting up his camera. Hate me if you want but i think Giger just throw off the battle for some reason.
He wasn't focused and wasn't concetrating himself enough. The opponent was focused as hell. Zach came to win, Jonny came to play. I mean who does 360 flip primo before the match as a warm up? No one. And that primo landing got him later in the game.
@@jakubbriza7274 and that's wierd why does Giger isn't foucsing on the game there is something bothering him. Switch Frontshuv and Switch Hardflip is much easier than 360 flip primo. There is something fishy that went down before the game off cam
@@leonneldayoc5715 nothing fishy went down. You seem to be a big Giger fan, which is cool, but Giger just not consistent enough at the basics. Simple as that.
@@leonneldayoc5715yeah, no. Nothing on Jonny but the fact is, he's not as good as this as a lot of his fans think. He's a great skateboarder but don't lose sight on the reality of his BATB ability. He could beat a lot of people on round 1, sure... But if he goes against someone that has fundamentals on lock, he's out.
I like prod he smooth n looks the same after 20 years for some reason lol.
Good video. The stats are interesting but I’d be down to hear more of your commentary. Especially now that GH has ghosted the platform haha
Did he?
When we would do Ollie north and south at the same time, we always called it a Ghost Ollie growing up hah.
Dang I still wish Corey Kennedy the best but wish he never drove that car drunk. He was one of my favorites and his first Nike signature shoes were so amazing with that light rubber toe for durability
Edit: I am sure he is thinking the same about driving. Again wishing everyone the best
12:02 Roberts: "Cancel that guys invite to the 9 club podcast!"
Jonny Giger was being a clown the whole time while Doelling took the game seriously and was rewarded.
text rpg players watching this vid be like "this gameplay is fire"
Giger is just not consistent, one thing that everyone should learn from the dumb data engineering spreadsheet is that you have to be consistent.
A Jamie Griffin vs. Luan game would be amazing! I hope Griffin 's got a good day. In fact if he has, he is unbeatable.
fast and high vs slow and low, no thanks
@@brokenboard well against Luan were all quite slow compared
@@kjdacod jamie griffin is fucking boring to watch
Keelan Dadd lol. Haven’t heard that name in a bit.
"of your opponent pops his trick, you have to pop it also" isn't something like this in the rules?
I wish BATB would make their tournament a 2-loss-elimination format.
It's very frustrating seeing really strong skaters like Mark Suciu and Jonny Giger eliminated first round.
*Chris Cole and Zach Doelling were deserving winners of their matches. It would just be nice to create a potential redemption match if the 2 strongest competitors happen to meet in round 1.
Mark is one of my favorite skaters, but nearly anyone would lose against Cole.
My brother explained double elimination in Smash Bros tournaments and I was totally confused as to why they haven't done this with Berrics given the amount of controversy. Seems like a no-brainer.
I laughed soo hard when you said: "the switch kickflip deathblow"
😂 Love you found the frosht bit soundbite. So good
I remember watching Zach skate at independence skate park in kc. Dude is a legend
For some reason the Zach match wasn't even recommended to me, I had to search for it.
zach doelling is the shit
Sad to say but I dont think Mike V belongs in a BATB game. Im glad tyler won because BATB would have turned into a big joke. Not taking anything off his tricks but its not suitable for a game of skate the way its played nowadays.
I wonder what would happen if u were in batb LoL with all the knowledge or if u coached someone on what to do I wonder how it would work out
I dount Zach read my comment but i was telling him just put the presaure on Giger with more basic tricks and he will crumble. He cant handle pressure and as tou could tell at the end his face was as red as his shirt.
Jonny alsow was in japan skating for a long time and came straight from there and had a crazy jetlag and was injured
Dude we need Cory Kennedy back in BATB. My all time fav skater and it feels like he always goes for ridiculous tricks lol. Disappointing that Giger has lost again in round 1 too, cuz he’s one of my fav flat ground skaters
I miss Cory Kennedy
Johnny’s nerves got to him. Big time. He should stick to his own vids.
i think thats the problem. he's a big fish in a small pond up there. with street spots that are just to perfect.
Facts@@villiantwo.
Love Giger and BATB, but they ain't for each other
I don't understand the gentleman's game concept. It's a contest not a skate demo; play to win! I mean, if you need to warm up with a basic kickflip that's fine, but I would start throwing daggers from the jump. Leave a deathblow or two for the last letter.
One problem with the interpretation of this data is that one needs to take into account the "community" frowning on players who get too aggressive too early. Were this not the case it might change player's strategy and yield different numbers.
Because the game of skate is usually viewed as a warm up amongst friends before a skate session. Most people warming up aren't exactly trying to do a nollie kickflip 360. If you watch BATB 1-5, that's always how games were played for the most part. Those were all pros though. Now they invite random skateboarders in who want to make a name for themselves so that mindset goes out the window entirely, and it makes for a more boring product. Just my opinion, and you sound like a non-skater questioning this so hard honestly lol.
Not how I expected that game to go, but figured he'd be canned from BATB after that one.
3:25 I just realized that although there is a grab in there, Mike V's foot touched the wall, so "no feet on the ground" was at least upheld.
@4:20 - there is an error in the formula you used to calculate the value for the above average trick consistency correlated with the position of the Earth from the Sun in the day the video was shot.. or you mentioned some “games” were shot on different days? You don't say.. Question everything..
The joke aside, I really enjoy all this data analysis you do not only on this vid ( sadly you got it correct that Giger seems to be too down to Earth to compete, and yeah, that wasn't data driven comment ), but on all your videos in this Dumb Data channel, so big thanks and keep the dumb data flow
Dumb data break down of the CZcams skateboard scene.
I don't think Johnny played team sports as a kid. Say what you will about sports but they teach you things. Namely how to win, how to lose and how to compete. I think Johnny really wants to win but is also very afraid to lose.
I could imagine Cody wins the left field and Jamie on the other side. Whether him or Sewa, I think. But much can happen Tyler Petersen isn't to underestimated too.
no, the Cariuma team rider bias with judging isn't to be underestimated🤣
Seing Giger skate at that turtle speed was so fuccn boring...
It was kind of disappointing, don’t know if it was nerves or what but it looked almost like he wasn’t giving it a full effort
GET EM OUTTA HERE
Giger is soo good. But I wonder is it the nervousness playing or is it because he’s not consistent?
Probably both
Jonny needs hundreds of trys and to skate alone.
That's why he's over hyped.
That's my problem with social media skaters.
and That's why most of em never get real sponsors, they don't deserve em to begin with.
@@eatassonthefirstdate shut up... he landed a late varial heel fisrt try...
Love all these stats, thanks for this😂
data dump breaks are key
can you do some analysis to mano a mano?
D² fuckin nails it again! amaZing video brotha🎈
Do you do data analytics as a career?
Chris Robert’s 3-Club
I don't mind a kickflip and shovit to start. But after that I'll take more interesting tricks like Johnny's any day, even if it means a loss.
What’s the point in playing skate then? Go do some circus tricks in the corner by yourself then 🤣
I was super exited to see Zack in BOTB but was not expecting him to be matched with Giger right away, that was a Suprise and I wondered how it was going to go but I couldn't be happier with the result, Zack is fucking awesome.
i swear Shone O Neil did 1/2 cab late bff. I'll look for it.
4 wheels off the ground doesn’t automatically mean he popped it. Ever seen a pressure flip?
A dumb data banger!!
Yo, do you know if any flower flips (hospital heelflip) have been done in a battle?
Not that I know id
The Louie Curren game had me choking too, that shit was terrible lol
Giger is ALWAYS the first one to start playing dirty. He does the same thing every single game of SKATE. If the other guy starts and goes through nothing but basics Giger will play along for a bit regardless he’ll always be the first to start using dirty tricks to get ahead early. He smiles and laughs like it’s all in good fun but it feels like it’s just him putting on an act. I think losing these games really matters to him a lot more than he lets on
Berrics paid this man
You should make a video analysis of the previous batb
Dammit man, and I struggle to use Excel at work lmao
With earlier batb is it fair to say that the tricks were easy, because idk maybe at the time those tricks were more deadly than they are now as skaters progress at a faster rate im assuming. But idk maybe there was alot of people doing switch flatground even in the early batb ive never went back and watched them.
Easy to check. He can just filter by BATB tournament. set it to BATB1 and see the consistency for each trick back then.
If you pick a particular trick and check the consistency for BATB1 vs BATB13, if the consistency has improved, then yes, skaters have progressed and tricks that were harder are now easier/more successful.
If the consistency level is pretty similar...then the tricks that were attempted havent gotten easier, they prob just added new tricks that were less consistent.
@@irishRocker1 Here is the thing, a lot of tricks weren't even DONE in the early 4 or 5 BATB, it was mostly your run of the mill type of tricks being done until they ran out of 180 flip variations and stuff like that. It wasn't really until guys like Sewa came along and started consistently pulling those weird tricks off that the BATB scene changed.
The "weird' tricks in the early seasons were just Mike Mo doing stuff like cab bigger flips or the occasional double or triple flip from Billy Marks maybe. PRod with his nollie backfoot 180 flip. But once Sewa came out the gate with 5shuv, 5flip, hardflip fs 180, Nollie front foot flip, etc, the game was changed from there on out. Nowadays, a whole generation has grown up watching BATB from a young age and pushed the consistency levels through the roof.
The trick chris cole did at the 9:30 mark is an anti big heel.
i like giger, but he had a bad attitude when defending the basics. It made him look bad.
Never underestimate a switch pop shuv
His late flips stuff needs more practice… but if he can do it in batb he has a chance like jamie…
It’s Jamie vs Sewa in round one?! Berra is back on drugs I swear to god
Johnny is probably the best flatground skater around. He should have started a bit more reserved
ur a fool dude.
he's good at circus tricks. that probably take 100 tries to get on film.
That's the problem with 99% of tik tok social media skaters they have everyone thinking they're gods.
so now Giger has lost 3x in the first round and u say he's the best flat ground skater?
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mad glazing out here in these CZcams streets
Make sure to have that powerpoint presentation ready for the illuminati at the eyes wide shut party.
"late pressureflip" should not be a thing
Waiting for Chris Roberts in the chat
I think that Jonny's thing is a problem of how he perceives himself, in most of the games of skateboarding he goes only to play, but not to win, I think I've never seen him with a winning attitude, he always laughs and has good vibes, but that is not forgiven in a BATB, the rival is always going to win. As a psychologist (I am), I think that Jonny has great difficulty in self-assessing himself as good.
I think he’s just built different, his CZcams channel is full of him giving attempt after attempt to land some wizard level shit, I think that makes him more for the love of the craft than using it to dominate anyone.
Nah, he is just not good enough.
How do you even figure all of this out
Thats what happens when you only practice circus tricks.
how talk about that shane vs mike mo match without mentioning mike mo's defense on the switch double tre
It’s so jarring cause as a giger fan n everyone that watches giger uno he could smoke anyone in the tournament if he played the competition right it just seems he breaks under pressure n doesn’t play it simple to what he’s consistent at from the start plus some bad luck in some games
got a BATB strong fetish