why I quit premed | I'm not going to medical school
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- I'm finally talking about why I quit pre-med and why I decided not to go into medicine. I avoided talking about this for awhile because I, too, was just formulating my thoughts, but here I go into some deep honest reflections. Again, these are just my opinions and I still have soft spot in my heart for the healthcare industry and will always treasure and enjoy the time I did as a premed. I don't ever see it as a waste of time, but an incredibly enlightening and challenging learning experience. Nothing in life is a waste. I have so much respect for health care workers who work in this quite difficult and exhausting industry. And no industry is perfect. I also think that there was just a different opportunity that came to me at the right time, and I changed my mind.
I also want to embrace that it's okay to change your mind. It's okay to be passionate about one thing, and also not pursue it as your JOB. It's okay to find a job for different reasons. Let's normalizing having jobs that are not your ENTIRE identity. People are so much more than one single job, and they can do so much more.
If you want to go into healthcare so you can make lots of money? Do it. The patient care? Do it. I would never shame/guilt anyone for wanting to go into a certain job because it provides a certain level of financial stability. How someone decides to make money is none of my business.
timestamps:
00:00 - intro
0:29 - why I chose premed
02:49 - healthcare is broken
04:23 - impact in other ways
05:10 - the finances
08:00 - the lifestyle
09:20 - my strengths
10:49 - destiny is for losers
13:08 - outro
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hey fam! Coming back strong with lots of long form youtube content for the rest of the year and beyond. Motivated more than ever. Thank you for being patient with me. I get the biggest imposter syndrome when it comes to youtube and I become a super perfectionist so im proud of me for putting this OUT. Let me know what you want to see next.
I am a second year medical student. I can say very confidently that anyone can do this. Yes, the tests are hard and there is a lot of material but it's way more of a put in the work and you will see results than needing to be a genius (which doesn't hurt lol) but it is extremely achievable to anyone driven enough to pursue it.
!!! I heard this often too. It was a lot about the grit and endurance much more than “smarts” alone. Good luck to you and anyone reading this.
That’s kind but i disagree. You have to be smart to do this. Not everyone can do it.
Yea that’s looking at it with rose colored lenses for sure. Not everyone can do it. I know way too many ppl that killed the mcat, got in, but ultimately got dismissed. It’s not for the faint of heart.
medicine isnt hard, im sure it requires a lot of learning and time but it isnt hard in the sense of needing to think extremely deeply about a single issue, coming from a math bachelor ^^
Thank you for this ❤
Honestly med school has been overly glorified within our generation. I think many of us trade our real passions because for medicine because we believe that it will make us important, and because the path is so set. At the end of the day, it will be a job, and if you don't actually the core of it, the glamor will quickly disappear. I would like to be a PA, but I am constantly checking in with myself to make sure that this is what I want to do, or if I'm just too lazy or afraid to go after what I really want
That actually happened to me, I was thinking about going into med school and actually took premed courses because the path for medicine is so set but after thinking about thoroughly I realized that I was maybe more afraid of going for what I’m really passionate about which is anthropology and the environment and being an environmental engineer. I believe med school is overly glorified and like Angelica said there are many ways we can help people without being a doctor
@m. wuzowski We should stop forcing this mindset on people. Money should NEVER be the only or primary reason, but its definitely okay for it to be one of the reasons.
@@ryannharley yeah but to complete the requirements of pa school in 4 years looks pretty impossible, especially considering you will be facing other applicants with over a thousand, or two, direct patient care hours. You'd literally be facing NURSES!
Exactly
Everyone wants their children to bcom doctors or lawyers
It's not easy and most of all it's not for everyone
@@ryannharley they call PA a "cash cow" for a reason...
I agree with a lot of these points.. I am no longer pre-med, not because I cannot do it, but I had to be really honest with myself and admit to myself that I DON'T WANT TO BE A DOCTOR. I dont want to work really long hours, I do not want to give up a lot of my 20s and 30s, I do not want a shit ton of debt, be responsible for people's lives, etc. I think my personality would suit other careers and it has made me less scared for the future and more determined to work towards my goals. I respect ANYONE who goes into the medical field, it is just not for me.
ALSO, an edit: why do people get so angry when you tell them you are no longer aiming for medical school? like, im confident in my decision to pursue what i really want to pursue, don't let my decision sway you. why are you so angry that i no longer want to go down that path??
I am currently a science major and I keep telling my boyfriend I am going to pursue a career in criminal justice because again I realized medicine is not for me. I don't have a passion for it and every time I tell him I'm going to let it go he get's mad. :/
What is your major/career path right now?
@@lorennydiaz604 are you sure you want to be with someone who wont support you no matter your choice about your career?
They're angry because they are not confident in their decision and they're jealous that you "escaped."
Yeah...medicine only attraction is money. But time is more valuable than money
Being a doc is just a job. There are so many other things than just defining yourself from a job. I’m a final year med student who loves it.
Congrats!!! And period!! So much more to live and it’s not your ENTIRE life. Thank you for sharing
It's so very refreshing to hear how honest, open, insightful, and realistic you are. You have such a great perspective and I appreciated every nugget of gold you offered in this video. Good for you!
I will ALWAys be this transparent and honest. Thank you for listening ❤️❤️
Hey girl, I think I saw the difference in you and me, when you said “unless you cannot see yourself doing anything else then go into medicine.” I can’t see myself doing anything else. I enjoy few other things but medicine? I love with all my heart.
so proud of u!!! DO WHAT MAKES U HAPPY! U can do anything.
Happy to hear that you found your calling! Similarly, I was thinking of dropping pre-law because I see myself pursuing other careers that can help people while still aligning with my skills and values; if I change my mind along the way, law school will still always be there :))
As a pre-made these were valid points that thankfully you were able to see before investing more time and debt into medical school. I’m also aware of these challenges and still chose to pursue pre-Med because I can’t really picture doing anything else. And I’m non traditional as well so I’ve experienced other careers and nothing really excites as much as pre-Med
I love the destiny is for losers section
This video definitely resonated with me so much as a 27 year millennial transitioning into tech. I worked at an eye clinic for 2.5 years before the pandemic hit as a ophthalmic tech before being laid off. Decided that I wanted to try to go all the way with optometry school during quarantine but in the midst of seeing the world implode on itself in terms of healthcare, it scared me to want to pursue something in medicine. I've also been someone who has always adapted and felt as if the human potential is equipped to make changes when needed. Now I'm taking the steps towards UX Design and it's scary but I feel fulfilled in knowing that I can adjust based on what's best for me and it's reassuring that there is someone who has the same ideals as I do. Thank you for making these videos and I wish you luck on your journey!
Girl thank you for the video. I was going to be an OBGYN. But then I looked at the life style of a doctor and I just dropped it. I switched to nursing instead which is also quite difficult but I think this path is more predictable.
Nursing is hard, but doable. Less time and less debt.
I keep dancing around the thought of changing career paths. I sometimes think that my personality isn’t suited for med school. I’m very shy and reserved, and The one requirement that I’m lacking in is real world experience. I just get so nervous thinking about it. But I don’t feel nervous at all when thinking about doing it during med school 🤦🏽♀️ I don’t know why I’m like this. I know if I apply myself I can do well and know once I start being able to specialize in what I truly want to do, it’ll all be worth it.
It’s just so hard trying to work up the motivation to try though 😭 especially since it feels like I’m running out of time as a junior.
Awesome reflection Angelica! Totally agree with you and thank you for putting this out there!
I'm so happy you acknowledge your boundaries and found yourself to do what was best for you! stan women in tech hehe love u angelica
Thank you annie! Love u always
Thank you so much for this vid🫶🏼 I honestly think our brains work the same lol. I’m graduating college soon and have been premed the whole time, did all the premed classes and premed things but now I’m questioning the medical school path for pretty much everything you explained in this video. You honestly helped vocalize all the thoughts I’ve been having and trying to work through so thank you🥹 hope your new path is going incredible!
I am so happy that Angelica was willing to share her career path story, and found a job that interests her more. She’s such a great influencer. ❤
Proud of you making decisions for what you want!!! You're amazing and let haters live with darkness in their little head :)
I’m so happy to have found this video I’m currently in such a hole and lost about what I want to be I just dropped the pre-med concentration and I have been speaking to my parents about changing careers and it hurts so much when they tell me that I’ll end up being a no one and that I have wasted their money but they don’t understand the fear of committing to medicine and how much debt it’s will all they see is the big money that senior doctors make which takes years to get too… I’m so happy to have come across your video it gives me hope for the future!!!
This is crazy, I was on the medicine path as well but dropped it before my third year in college and now I'm working in marketing lol I definitely wanted to do something in business for the longest time, but I kept getting feedback that it wasn't a stable path. And so I had to really push myself out of that comfort zone and stop listening to others' opinions about what I want to do with my life --especially my parents.
Proud of u either way!
i’m not sure if you’ll see this, it says your comment was from a year ago. nevertheless, how has business been for you? since i was a kid my dream has been to become a doctor and i’m currently on the pre-med track however it’s not like i imagined it would be. recently i did a paper on macroeconomics and it interested me more than i expected. i found myself researching after i had submitted it, something i haven’t done for pre-med in a long time. to be frank, it scares me that it interests me as much as it does. do you ever regret leaving pre-med or was business the right choice for you?
Thanks for the video! I’m Korean who learn English for stuy abroad to pharmacy school in US. But I gave up because of financial problem and got really depressed. And once I clicked this video randomly and you just gave me the answer what I need. I should not limited my life with one way and still there are so many ways to use my potential and talents!! Thanks for all especially about your positive influence!!
I totally respect your decision and opinions on not wanting to go to medical school. It is not for everyone - there are much faster ways to make money if that is what you are after. I do think that you mentioned some myths about medical school though. I’m sorry about your mostly negative experiences as a pre-med. I was a nurse for 5 years before I entered medical school so I definitely came into it with a difference background. I never had a physician tell me NOT to go to medical school, they were all very encouraging, kind and offered me mentorship in ways I never had in my nursing career. I was actually torn between NP/PA and MD school and when I shadowed an NP, she told me to go medical school and she wished she did when she was younger. I do think having a non-traditional journey to med school has helped me be more of a well-rounded applicant, I’m definitely not anything like the pre-meds you described. As far as debt goes, I think most pre-meds have no idea the opportunities for funding available to med students. I am from a first-gem low-income background and received a tuition scholarship for medical school. I have many friends in med school who are on scholarships as well. There are also plenty of opportunities for loan forgiveness in the future. For those of you who are interested and afraid of future med school debt, check out White Coat Investor. If you take out $250k in loans and have a job in the future that is $250k per year, this is not much different than having $50k undergrad debt and getting a $50k entry level job to try to pay it off. You definitely want to keep your loans less than 2x your annual salary. All in all, I don't regret my decision to go to medical school at all, I love learning and want to dedicate my life to helping people obtain optimal health and wellness. Thanks for your video - it takes a lot of courage to be as honest as you were about your feelings!
100%! And first congrats on YOUR success and journey. So happy to hear your reflections. A lot of doctors of course shared the pros and cons and other encouraged me too but I wanted to shine light that they were honest enough to give me real transparent advice that if you’re even thinking of something else, then to do it. They weren’t over romanticizing the job or sugar coating which I appreciated. And regarding debt, yes there are repayment plans and scholarships offered but I do think having a more than average person from undergrad debt is pretty common according to the data I’ve seen and sourced. Im so glad you’ve been able to find those resources and opportunities to make it less of a hardship. Making money is on every professions mind including doctors and you’re 100% right that it’s about when/how!
Can vouch for you as well. Medical school is hands down the best decision I have made so far. I also got a pretty good scholarship and will be graduating with not that much debt. You really have to think about your timeline however and what you prioritize. Medical is not for everyone.
You inspire me lily, currently a nurse and starting my path towards being an MD.
This is such a great video! As a career changer that is going to start medical school myself, I enjoy hearing other people’s perspectives. Your story is almost the exact opposite of mine. I have never worked in tech, but I graduated college and immediately started working in a well paying, low stress, cushy job right out of college. My wife and I we’re also able to “enjoy our 20’s” by buying a condo, going on vacations, and of course partying it up some times.
I happen to work with a ton of doctors and patients in my current career. Seeing just how much trust patients put into them, and how the work they do is so directly impactful on an individuals life inspired me so greatly.
The doctors I met who went straight from college to medical school seemed to be the most bitter because they have never experienced anything else. The doctors who worked in other industries before medical school are all very satisfied with their careers.
I’m glad you realized it’s not the right path for you. Good luck on your journey :)
im really glad you said this... i really wanna go into pre med but before that id also like to explore my other capabilities/interests!! thanks for your take on it! :)
curious - what was your post college job?
@@zauraiz I was (and still am for now) a diabetes educator. I teach a lot of classes and meet with a lot of patients 1 on 1 to help them manage their diabetes.
We came from the same school, similar background! Low SES, Asian, went to Berkeley, a few years older, you might know who I am :) I’m a first year medical student and boy, it’s tough to see people who are doing so well in life. My partner, 24, also Berkeley grad works in CS and seeing his income/stocks over 300k annually while seeing myself going into 300k in debt is a hard pill to swallow. At the end of the day, I think the decision you made is the right one for you. Premeds glorifying the medical profession is really problematic, and it’s really necessary for everyone to personally weigh out the pros and cons before coming to any rosy conclusion. It is a lot of sacrifice and there are moments where it feels worth it and moments where it is life-draining and you look around and wish you had gone to tech. Of course, medical school and becoming a physician is a long term investment/massive delayed gratification, but you can invest in yourself and create long term benefits in other careers as well. Love the message in this!
Thank you for sharing!! And for watching ❤️
Thiiissss!!! I couldn’t have said it better. I wish you ALL the best of luck and then some 🙏🏾💖
I'm 24 currently on my third year, and feeling pretty burnt out. I don't really enjoy my time at the hospital anymore, like I did at the beginning of the year. I feel like the whole time I'm there I'm just standing around not learning anything and generally being useless (feeling compounded by the fact that I'm on subspecialty outpatient clinics right now where I'm essentially shadowing providers).
Every day, I wake up and feel fine when I go in, but then it's just a matter of time before some small problem makes me angry or frustrated and I feel shitty for the rest of the day. It's like I have no reserve left. At home on weeknights, all I really do is sleep (up to like 10+ hours a lot of nights now). I look forward to drinking a lot more than I used to. My friends notice that I'm more irritable. I don't work out nearly as much as I used to. I usually feel a lot better at the end of weekends/time off, but then I get slapped in the face with the sisyphean tasks of third year again first thing on Monday, and I'm right back where I started.
One of the most bothersome things is that I'm also getting really cynical, to the point that essentially every time I see a bad outcome or a patient suffering, I think something along the lines of, "why does medicine have so much power and authority if this is the best we can do?" or "this person would have been better off if they had never even come to the hospital" or "I should have gone into research where you can actually do something good for the world rather than just dispense pointless, expensive treatments that make people suffer." I also have a lot of thoughts along the line of "you're not going to learn anything today because all this shit is below you" and "the expectations for you are so low and you're sufficiently smart that nothing you do today will affect your grade." Do I actually believe that stuff if I sit down and think through it? Definitely not. But it's like those thoughts are always sitting right at the edge of my thinking, ready to jump in the second I get a little bit down during the day. It's pretty exhausting trying to challenge them all the time, and they're definitely negatively impacting my ability to learn stuff in clinic.
Needless to say, this is making it hard to get through the remaining (pretty tough) rotations I have left to complete. I don't know how much longer I can keep up the "interested med student" act and cynicism suppression that have pulled me through the last 6-8 weeks of feeling like this. I might just drop out.
how do you deal with this kind of cynicism and burnout?
Hi William! I don't know if you'll ever read this, but thank you for being open about what you're going through! You seem like a person that really needs to talk these thoughts and feelings through with someone, and I hope that you have that "someone" in your life. Whatever you decided to do, whether that's keep going or dropping out, you should do what's best for you. From what I can tell, you're a hard work, smart, and driven individual. With those traits, you're likely to achieve anything you want in this world. Again, thanks for sharing your experience, and remember to take care of yourself...
Hi Angelica, I have a lot to say after watching your post. First of all, I believe I’m 10 years older than you and yeah I have a different perspective now than I did when I was in college. First off, I’m from a working class family, and even thinking about going to med school made my family shiver because they were like “how are you going to pay off those loans!” But I went because that was what I wanted and plus my college education was I felt just not good for me to do anything with my life. So I burned out and ended up quitting at the end of my residency and that was followed by a 1.4 year in depression trying to overcome why I failed and didn’t make it, because it was literally the only thing I wanted. All throughout my journey, I got nothing but hatred/anxiety/toxicity/and negativity from my friends and community. The people I so called friends always said things to undermine me, pull my leg, said I was not good enough, now smart enough, couldn’t do it, and so on. I was so awful to push through all those hurdles I faced all alone. I felt like I had no one. The people I saw succeed had a really strong support system, family and friends in place. One trend I noticed was you are much more likely to be successful in medicine if you have a family member or friend in medicine. There is fefinetlyw a lot of nepotism in medicine. I could rant all day and night about all the self sacrifice I made only to get absolutely nothing in return. I don’t know if you are watching the news but they’re saying there could be a doctor shortage and a group of doctors and healhh th. Are workers wanting to leave medicine. The system is completely corrupt and dysfunctional, and it completely destroyed my health as a person. People are just so toxic from the beginning to the end. And I can say the same for people in general society, as I mentioned just not getting any support from people being jealous of my dreams and goals. Also social media really did me a good number. Just looking at peoples lives on instagram Facebook and CZcams and how perfect everything was for them, why my life was just absolute barren and hell, sometimes it was hard to be greatful. But now I am learning that social media is one big illusion. It also really hurts my feels when politicians and right wing people say people who went to college need to learn to pay their own loans back, and at the same time people like Dave Ramsey and other right wing people glorify those who are high school drop outs and join a trade school and can and do skill make over 100,000 with zero student debt. I just shudder because I just sacrificed so much, did everything the school system and society told us too and I still feel like I’m no where. One other thing I want to add is no one in my family went to college or was ever close to being a doctor. So going to them for help always seemed counterintuitive. I just feel very lost and emotional and I just don’t know what the correct answer is, but one thing is very evident. You have to have a good support system, surround yourself with positive and supportive people who are going to be there for you, and it doesn’t matter what you do, you will succeed and be happy. The world I have witnessed since growing up has been very toxic. And I’m just not wanting that in my life anymore. Anyways take care for the rest of your journey. ❤ 🌧️ 🌈
Personally I wanna be a doctor to help people, but in the ER. I work 16 hours minimum a week as an EMT in a busy 911 system doing 12 hour shifts while being a full time student. I’m also becoming a volunteer fire fighter on top of that. I think being a doctor is the best way I can do that, especially for the ER
i’m so glad i found your channel because we’re so similar in terms of having interest in both business and medical 😭
I appreciate you making this video and honestly, you don’t even have to explain yourself. It’s good enough for you to say “I don’t want to be a doctor.” Screw the haters.
I have so many interest in my life: writing, stand up comedy, film editing, drumming, songwriting, travel, fitness, and while some family slightly hinted at being a doctor, I’ve explored many other different career paths. I’m coming to realize that while I’m willing to work very hard at what I do, I’m not sure I want to pigeon hole into healthcare and forget about tech, business and other paths. I also thing Pa and dentistry and optometry are great options.
first and foremost, congratulations on finding a career that you love!! people are going to find reasons to hate just because they can. reading the tiktok comments at the beginning of the video really irked me. I hope they didn’t bother you as much because people often don’t know what they’re talking about when they spread hateful energy like that.
second, this video really helped me out as a rising sophomore premed. especially the last few minutes of the video where you talk about the flexibility of careers & the possibilities that are open to us. thank you for making this video and I really wish you luck in the tech industry!!
This is an awesome video. Finally somebody being realistic… I am so tired of hearing people say if you want it bad enough you can be a doctor in any field you want. No guarantee going to medical school or getting a speciality.
This is a great message especially for someone like me who my parents are like "your options are you become a doctor, lawyer, or worst case scenario an engineer" like damn not too much to choose from. Thanks for the advice tho, these kind of inputs and vids help a lot.
It sucks how some parents try to live their dreams through their children.
@@alenaatoutlemonde4036exactly
Love this so inspiring! Subscribed!
One of the main reasons why some people were dropping so much hatred and criticizing wanting to be financially stable - they've never been poor and have no idea about what being poor means.
If being a doctor is your only chance to get out of poverty, we are proud of you sir. Respect for what you went through. Good for you. If that whats holding you continuing medicine, hmm ok. Good money in that path
I was interested in becoming a doctor since childhood but currently studying business with triple majors in banking, finance and marketing. Medicine is good and all but tbh I can't see myself working at a hospital for late hours watching patients suffers, having blood on their clothes/body parts, watching people dying in front of me it is just so scary. And I realized that I have that leadership and decision making abilities so business will be my thing and I absolutely enjoying it! Also I am a pre-law major, I'm interested in working at investment banking, corporate law, product marketing or international brand management.
What did you choose to do? I am a similar mindset, ended up in accounting but the work is hard the hours are long and i feel like I could've done 'more'
People's goals change and it's normal! Hater's going to hate bc they forget that they also had different goals in life.
Thanks for sharing. I think the working class background thing is very valid. I think that is one of the main reasons that there aren't enough low-income people who decide to pursue medicine. For me, coming from a low-income background is why I am even more motivated to push through and pursue the path to becoming a doctor. I went to school with people whose parents were dentists, lawyers, and doctors. I really envied their lifestyle and that motivated me to seek a career where I could enjoy the finer things in life.
You seem to be so reflective in this video 🥰
I feel like I am constantly finding new things that I want to do, however, I have commitment issues, and I am constatnly thinking am i being behind because I dont know what i want to do?
I feel the same way
Because of which I have decided to take a gap year after my high school
Super wise and thoughtful take.
The way this is so accurate …
Hey Angelina, I'm a premed and I love your videos! Just some thoughts on this one:
I don't think it's right to say that you shouldn't be a doctor unless you cannot picture yourself doing anything else. That line gave me so much anxiety for hours (because I'm interested in medicine, education, and biotech) until I realized that it's not necessarily true. That would be assuming that every doctor has absolutely no other passion except medical care. I can have a passion for - and see myself in - 4 different career paths, one of which is being a physician, and just prefer that over the others. If we swap "doctor" with any other profession in that statement, that's saying that the main reason someone should drop a career they think they'd love is because they happen to love something else too. "Ensure you don't want to do anything else" is a lot to say to an 18-23 year old college student, considering that humans are complex, and there are *very* few people who can absolutely only picture themselves doing one thing for the rest of their working lives.
Like you said towards the end of the video, it's limiting to say "I just can't be a lawyer/engineer/etc". So we can't , in one vein, say "don't limit yourself"; and in another vein, say "don't choose medicine unless you've limited yourself to it". I think that's just a little contradictory.
Btw this isn't criticizing you or the video at all, just the specific statement. I've been subscribed for quite a while and you really inspire me.
I completely feel this. I have so many interests that I couldn't possibly be sure that medicine is the only thing I could do with my life now. I think it's what will make me happiest as a job but there are also obviously other jobs that I could see myself doing. I think someone would have to be very boring to only potentially see themselves as a doctor.
Totally agree with this. That statement sounded quite off to me. Also find it hard to believe that a significant amount of doctors would say that.
I think what that statement means is that if you can see yourself doing something else, do something else, this is because the path to medicine is such a difficult one it’s only worth it if you feel like you’d be unfulfilled in any other line of work. That’s not to say you can’t have other interests and passions but you need to actually feel that working in any other field would not bring you as much satisfaction as being a doctor. It does make sense because if you don’t have that full passion and dedication to medical school and becoming a doctor it will be difficult if not impossible to become one.
I am not going into tech or med school but this is such an informative video either way to see different majors!!! Sooooo interesting ily!💗
I've been down this path and seen many others go down this path. The real reason why pre-meds re-route to other things is because of the MCAT- It weeds so many pre-meds out as it is a brutally difficult exam. I'm surprised you didn't mention the MCAT, but I know for a fact it was one of the main driving factors.
Amazing video!
If I could do it over again I'd do nursing or PA, not medical school. Medical school has destroyed my mental health.
Same I regret it
Stumbled on one of your videos via TikTok… Yes girl, do what you love & what brings you joy.. I graduated with a BS and never used my degree…i started living life about over a couple years ago when I first went and loved abroad. Life has so much to offer & the best thing you’re doing it for YOU. And that’s what matters the most cause the one who can truly make you happy is yourself ✨🦋
Me right now in college. Stuck between medicine and product management/data science/software engineering (technology).
1000% agree and I graduated pre med from a top 5 public US uni and was President of a huge pre med club and decided to ditch it. No regrets! Way more scale of $$ and impact in business plus the medical establishment has very little to do with optimal health anyway. Medicine is fine for what it is but doctors are glorified service providers though highly paid ones. But real wealth (and impact) can come from many other things - real wealth anyway does not come from any job linked to time. Plus the debt, lack of time freedom, and the runway to make any decent money was too much of a burden. not worth it for my personal goals! Now making over what most doctors make, grew a biz to 6 figures fresh out of college, now in real world business and never looked back. So if you're thinking this and doubting, just follow your gut and believe in your inner vision!
What was ur gpa to get google
do you ever feel any regret or that you wasted your time chasing a career path you didn't commit to at the end?
It’s fine to quit premed, I quit too because of the stress and realized I want to live more later on my life. So I switch over to pre dent due to the life style and business aspect.
What was your major at uc Berkeley
Honestly, It's mind-boggling how expensive medical school is in the US. In the Uk you can apply for medical school, the course usually being 5 or 6 years, once you graduate high school. And whilst this is also expensive with students racking up £60,000+ student loans debt, it's no where near as back breaking as it seems to be in the US, primarily because the debt gets written off after 30 years if you've not finished paying it off.
Personally, I love biomedical sciences but dislike people so I want to go down the research/experimental route.
I did biomed before doing medicine and now regret it. I'm halfway through my 2nd degree now but hate it. Wish I could've taken a more research career route after biomed. Good luck 👍
Is it possible to contact you and speak for some advice?
Why did you decide to not do nursing? (just curious because I am a high school student trying to decide between studying nursing and computer science)
Go with computer science, so much more comfortable and better pay
Please choose CS, many nurses regret their career and try to switch to tech later.
I always felt people chose pre-med because they like learning. Genuinely like learning because a lot of doctors lack social interaction and don’t communicate well with patients, rather than a nurse, where we’re taught patient interaction
I'm currently a pre-PA student taking classes full o fpremeds and you are so right about the god complex egos amongst them. The majority are unfriendly and see everyone as competition. Its a toxic environment
How are you able to get Healthcare or patient care experience within 4 years in addition to shadowing?
@@savagewrld236some people work as a scribe
You are very smart. Medical school is an enormous investment of time, finances, and your health.
ok but imagine a doc who sees a patient for only 2 mins. working for then was so heartbreaking
250k is on the low side. Schools charge $50-65k/annually for just tuition! This does not include room/board nor interest accumulating on those loans during the training period. It's well over 300k of debt when you consider the aforementioned unless you have familial support / external scholarships, etc.
“destiny is for losers” where’s the lie!??, always so well spoken happy for u Angelica 😊
PERIOD!! We make things happen for us. Life doesnt come at us, life comes from us.
The one thing I think about the debt thing, yeah it’s high, but you’re making more than enough money to pay it down. Just subtract that from your paycheck and financially plan. YES 3k a month in loans is horrific. But if you’re bringing in like 18k a month, suddenly not so bad.
Ms1 and honestly idk if it was worth it
YOU are going to make it worth it. It was the right choice because YOU made the choice. You got this.
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I really want to be a doctor but damn physics and biochem are kicking my asssss
I’m also at Berkeley and it’s horrible :)
Angelica vented!
I am pretty sure you could of done medical coding ..
This recommendation came during worst timing. I don't wanna quit being premed and I feel like this is a sign warning me to drop😭😭😭. Why did ur video have to be recommended to me godammit
Please don't give up your dream. Everything she said is her opinion and experience.
Don’t give up on your dreams!! As another commenter in medical school pointed out, a lot of what she said is based on her own experiences (Berkeley is not exactly a great school for pre-med because of how competitive the environment is + grade deflation and weeder classes) and some of what she said are unfortunately not very true if you put more research into it (ex. Doctor salaries and finances-the baseline starting salary on average even for PCPs tends to be roughly 200k which you would need to spend a significant amount of time in tech to reach [if its even feasible]). I recommend reading white coat investor for more doctor finance tips.
Studying to be a doctor takes a ton of studying for insane hours . I think quitting is a good idea. I would never be a doctor myself
i think u got haters bc of ur tone (and wording)
example 9:23 ppl dont think u are not smart enough
ur response was idk "but i got good grades to get to any medical school"
that response is good honest but i dont think ppl wanna hear that
in medical interviews ppl are rejected bc of this
ex. in OSCE, ppl fails for not sounding "empathetic" in the ptx interviews
ppl fail not bc of what they saying but how they say it
im not hating on u idk u, just an observation
agree
What you quit premed for?!!! 😶
You should’ve considered dentistry ☺️
I am struggling between choosing dentistry or business
Dentistry = more debt for less pay. Nah miss me with that one.
@@reshikamahat Business, but make sure you do internships during university or it's a useless major. Dentistry has even more debt than medical school.
@@theshinythings123 this is only really dependent on where you graduate and where you plan to work. Its only really that expensive in the US but outside, its the same cost as every other degree. A lot of dentists actually earn more than doctors in various countries around the world.
2:00 haha I was thinking pre med is not a good altr. for toxicity
Every field has its toxicity like she pointed out.
Medicine in America is a racket. You would have to be insane to choose a career in medicine.
you can still become a doctor if you decide to change your mind...again
Yes! Never say never
u can help people without becoming a doctor…. how is working for a corporation like google helping people?
Ironic ur on a Google (CZcams) platform right now commenting this, where I, as a creator have only put out content to ever motivate/help or share my experiences. I get to work for a company that has also done a lot of good, but beyond that it has given me a platform to help others. Working at a company like Google has given me the financial stability to spend my free time doing stuff to give back as much as I can. I never said my job was “the holiest of the land”. It’s a job like being a doctor. You can’t make the generalization all doctors are in it to “help people” only. Have you read about the nation wide opioid pandemic (where a lot of corrupt doctors got Americans addicted to narcotics) ?
No Industry/company is perfect. I’m an entry level worker that comes from a working class: background. I don’t care who I work for - it’s a job and I pay my bills and put food on the table. I’m lucky i like my job and the people and the work. And it’s an extreme privilege to be in a job that 1. You like 2. That does “good” in the world 3. Financially stable. It is not a GIVEN in this world that all jobs must help others (as great as that would be); it’s a job. Hope this helps! Take care.
To help people you don't have to physically save their lives. I don't see how all these other professions are invalidated because they don't 'save' lives, because they actually do. What about the book you read that made you believe life was worth living? The song that helped you out of that depressive spiral? Those things are possible due to creators that want to impact others. It's like you skipped the whole video. There are other careers that help improve the quality of life for other people, just in a different way. Angelica's platform allows her to help others, just like she said. I seriously doubt that all doctors out there aim to improve the quality of peoples lives, just look up Dr. Death. It's not what you do that matters, it's the posture/attitude you have when you do it.
@@milkycollective331 why do people think working in the medical field is the only way to help people?? Yes it’s helping profession but it’s not the only way to make an impact
It doesn’t you just sit there making less money than doctors for a corporation who does given a shit about you…. How fulfilling….
@@drdumbo9124 Do you know what the tech industry pays? They're definitely making the same if not more than doctors. And do you really think hospitals care about their doctors? To them the doctors are just working bodies to churn out patients for 10 minute visits. Hospitals couldn't care less what Doctors they hire. Doctors are no more of a cog in the machine then people who work in tech. But sure, whatever lies you need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better...
Excuses.
Good Grief! I’m under 3 mins in and I have a headache. You talk waaaay too fast