30-06 Hornady Precision Hunter 178gr ELDX Ballistics Gel Ammo Test
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- 30-06 Springfield Hornady Precision Hunter 178 grain ELD-X ammo ballistics gel test fired from a Tikka T3X Superlite Stainless with 22.4 inch barrel.
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All shots are fired from a distance of 100 yards to encompass the majority of common real world hunting scenarios with this caliber.
I will be shooting into 10% ballistics gel from www.clearballistics.com that has been calibrated to meet the FBI ballistics testing protocol.
While ballistics gel isn’t an exact proxy for big game, small game, predators or defensive situations, it does provide a repeatable medium through which to test various bullets and ammunitions against each other.
With each type of ammo tested I collect data on bullet penetration depth, bullet weight retention, bullet expansion and muzzle velocity.
For reference, bullet expansion is measured at the widest expanded point using a calibrated Frankford Arsenal Digital Caliper.
Bullet weight is measured using a calibrated Frankford Arsenal Digital Scale after having removed as much ballistics gel as possible from the expanded bullets.
Bullet velocity is measured using a ProChronoPal chronograph set approximately 7’ from the shooting bench.
I am fully aware that a chronograph measuring bullet velocity from 7’ away from the muzzle is going to register a slower velocity than if velocity were measured directly at the muzzle, but that difference is going to be so small as to be all but irrelevant in regards to comparison of actual measured velocity versus factory stated velocity.
My goal with these ballistics gel tests is to provide hunters like you and I with the most objective information possible to help us make the best choice for our particular hunting situation.
The results of these tests are my own and I cannot guarantee the same or similar performance on your part. The views and opinions expressed in this video are solely my own.
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I talked to hornady and they said the eldx is meant for farther distances so it may flip backwards at high enough speeds like close distances. Regarding the jacket core separation, the gel may have sucked them apart as the bullet expanded super quickly. I'm awaiting a response regarding the difference in performance, and the 6.5 sneedmoor goof up
@@TheGunNerd ok, so what are you going to do? Look, Hornady themselves told you that the eld x is meant to perform at 600+ yds (depending on what velocity your cartridge is running at ). It's essentially a target bullet with a slightly thicker jacket - similar to the Berger bullets with the J4 jackets with a very high bc. So, I carry two of the vld-eol in my bino case as I know I will have time to single feed the rifle if needed and use them for distance shots
300 RUM with 180 gr partitions ANYTHING less than 500ydd
I think some people don’t understand the whole purpose of these videos Mason. It’s not to show perfect, text book shooting with perfect performing sub MOA projectiles. It’s to compare and just see how a common rifle and off the shelf ammo perform under the same conditions. Interesting with the Precision Hunter ammo because it’s expensive and it’s our most popular choice we sell for serious hunters. Great video and thanks for sharing.
heeeer's Johnny!
It's not the most popular in our area, it was 3 or 4 years ago when we stated noticing failures.....now there is tons of CZcams videos about eld-x. Why would any1 even risk it? The deer season xp has nearly killed off the 350 legend, every one blames the caliber but more often than not the xp won't expand, which is crazy if u look at the bullet
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Absolutely agree about the XP and 350 Legend, I actually REALLY like the cartridge itself, it has very little recoil but good numbers for most deer hunting situations, the ammo used is key though, there are some great 350L loads out there.
expensive does not = good
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best thing Hornady makes is a podcast.
This might be the best comment Ive ever heard😂 if hornady were able to make bullets the way they talked, boys we would have some great bulles
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I've come to believe that Hornady used to be a bullet/ammo manufacturer that did advertisement. Now they have become an advertisement company that happens to make bullets and ammo.
These ELDX bullets are made for better than average accuracy at longer ranges. They perform better at longer ranges when significant velocity/energy is lost over long flight. That being said, long distance hunting shouldn’t be the objective. It should perform well at close ranges too. It’s created a lot of hype and too many hunters have fallen into that trap. Spot on review.
Even at short ranges this stuff will be devastating on most things people shoot at. Still, the Hornady marketing machine bothers me big time.
If you are a handloader, shoot 400 and in, want that economical high BC bullet … load the 200 grain like me. Much more solid performance
It's already failing while being 200 fps below MV so. It's already simulating 300 yard shots at the speed it suggests
@@nikos6220 Yea it’s probably gonna work at close ranges more times than not. But it was hard for me to believe the “explode on the shoulder” theory till I saw it in real life. Poorly constructed bullets at close ranges will explode on contact if it’s not placed perfectly behind the shoulder to avoid hitting big bone upon entry. I hope one day to get into hand loading. But for now, Federal Fusion factory loads are the ticket for me in most every rifle I shoot.
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@@True70woodsman out of my 06 they penetrate shoulder- so far so good. Is it possible you hit the shoulder at a slight angle, causing it to glance off? I've shot this through 2" of ply point blank (many times harder and thicker than deer bone) and there is no grenading. (That happens inside the animal for sure, which is exactly what I want).
2022 I saw 4 whitetail shot with the ELDX in 6.5 CM. All 4 bullets exploded and there was no blood trail for 2 of the 4. We all have switched to the fusion…..love the videos keep up the good work
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I had the same experience and would not use them on deer again. I've had people tell me it's due to poor shooting (it wasn't) or that the frangible effect is ideal even though there was no blood trail. Thankfully, I didn't lose a deer. I want an exit wound and I want a blood trail, which the ELD-X can't deliver consistently while other bullets can.
If you can find them, the terminal ascent is some of the best hunting ammo for the creedmoor. Super high velocity and a good bullet to boot. If you happen to handload, try the 100 grain barnes ttsx in it. At 3100fps from a 22" barrel, the deer hate it.
Good test as always, I agree with you its the inconsistency that bothers me either all three blowup or all three penetrate , but to have the inconsistency and not knowing what the bullet is actually going to do is the problem…
Exactly. Depending on the application I might want a rapidly expanding/fragmenting projectile, or I might want a projectile with controlled expansion with deep penetration. What I don't want is to roll the dice and be uncertain what's going to happen when the bullet hits its target.
Exactly
Truth hurts. I’ve used the good ole Hornady Spire Point in 7mm Rem, 30-06, 280, 270, 25-06, 300 WM, 308 and 7-08 in various bullet weights and have always had good results. I used the ELD-X once in 7-08 and never used it again.
I agree, Mr. Sayers.
There it is
It takes alot to make a video like this, thank you!!
Thanks for your support! It does, a lot more than people realize 🤣
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into these videos. As you say, "It is what it is." Guess it just depends on what you want a bullet/cartridge to do. You do the tests and give your opinions on what the results show. If someone wishes to interpret the data differently, fine. They should just not complain. But, thanks again.
You are fair and honest in your reviews. Some can't accept the ytuth. Don't worry about those complaints!!!
Michael Herrell
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Awesome videos sir, hats off to ya. I think I'll be sticking to plain ole Interlocks for my Hornady bullets.
Good test. Thanks for posting
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Thank you for another great informative video. Enjoy them all. But kind of looks like you need to strap those dancing blocks down to the table. Lol they certainly seemed to like to dance, especially with those powerful 30 -06 😊 loads.
I’ve tried and doing so creates its own set of issues unfortunately. Glad to be of service!
I used to use the ELD-x in my .30-06 because it grouped like match ammo in my rifle. I have since switched to Fusion based on videos like this. The Fusion groups just fine too in both 150 and 180 gr so I have nothing but confidence.
Glad to be of service! I agree it tends to be very accurate (which makes sense as it’s much more of a match bullet than a hunting bullet, IMO).
Excellent video. My 30.06 is great with Barnes ammo. No complaints with Barnes at all.
Good video. Thanks for what you do. Great service to us hunters. It’s got to be hard to make a bullet with consistent performance at high and low impact velocity. Erring on the long range/slower vel will give these results. Ive tried several older style Hornady buller with impressive results with the exception of the SSTs. Same fails at close range.
Thanks for your support! I’ve heard many first hand accounts of these failing even at extended range. Norma did it with Bondstrike, that bullet is incredible for a do-everything. But overall I agree, there’s always some kind of trade-off.
As always, great video Sir! Your findings are so important for people and hunters to be able to educate themselves prior to spending money on the crazy expensive hunting bullets today. The results get even worse when you start using these bullets in real hunting situations and introduce bone and other harder tissue. For the price, hornady needs to have a bonded bullet.
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Your the man. Please if you can the Winchestor Expedition Big Game Long Range (190 grain AccuBond LR) it claims 2750 fps with a 190 grain. 1 other test confirmed the velocity but a gel test would be amazing.
100% agree.
Thanks for the testing. Another channel was testing in gel but they put a piece of wood in front of the gel to simulate bone. I thought that was a good idea.
Glad to be of service and thanks for your support! Wood is not a proxy for bone.
I’d love to see you review Nosler Accubond 30-06 in 180 grains. It’s my round of choice for big game, and I think it deserves a Mason leather review!!
There are too many hunter stories out there saying that these things blow up. There are a lot better options out there
They can blow up, but they don't bounce off (as some claim) 😀. Its a bit like people saying copper bullets pencil deer - sure they do, but not always. Most times an eldx will do exactly as happened in the gel- do a lot of damage. A bullet doesn't have to retain weight, or penetrate 25" to kill. In my mind, if you are getting heaps of penetration you are losing out somewhere else.
When I find an eldx has fragmented (blown up), the damage on the vitals is horrendous (awesome). These ironically seem to be the fastest kills. These work exactly as advertised less than 50% of the time, and thats the problem . Its just a soft chunk of lead with a pointy bit.
The Truth sets us all free-Keep it coming Bubba, love your Content- Unadulterated Truth as it happens.. 🤠 how can you question that?
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This is very useful information.
Maybe it mad some mad …maybe it didn’t. I shared my experiences with it and asked basic questions, which you asked for. You seemed to be the offended one when opinions varied . But with that said , you don’t hold back on reporting your results and I admire that. Keep the videos coming…I enjoy them.
Not sure what you mean, if I replied to a prior comment that was an inquiry no offense would be taken or given, if it came across that way in text it wasn’t meant to, I get around 1,000 comments per day and I often answer them fast when I get the chance. Thanks for your support.
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather oh it’s all good man. Not bashing at all. Your videos provide great insight
Thanks for sharing and the proof is the pudding, another great video.
I've been a big fan of Federal. I bought a box of this for my 7mm08. Wish I saw this first.
Great content mate. Subbed.
Thank you for engaging folk in comments.
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thank you for the onfo.. I agree with you on the results.. What make us better hunter is the observation and analisis of the rifle we shoot with..Something like the sst or the cx would make more of the result we want..
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I don't like the ELDX. I've tried it in several calibers in several tests. No thanks. Much better choices out there. Thanks for the info as usual. 👍👍
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Whats better choice than eldx at same price range? I need some good bullets, but everything too expensive
Very smart the way you're structuring this for views - well done. Really enjoy the content.
That being said, the ELD-X (Extreme Low Drag - Expanding) is designed for much longer ranges than your 100 yard test. When speaking to weight retention, Hornady specifies very clearly "Upon low velocity, 400+ yard impacts, the Heat Shield tip drives backward into the bullet to initiate expansion. Exhibiting controlled expansion with a large mushroom and 85-90% retained weight, the bullet provides deep penetration and large cavities." Speaking to 0-400 yard impacts, Hornady claims 50-60% weight retention, which is less than the results of your sample size.
Is performance at 100 yards ideal? Absolutely not - but as a western big game hunter, I do not decide bullet selection based on 100 yard encounters.
On another note, Hornady very clearly states that billed velocities are based on a 24" test barrel - I feel like it's worth mentioning seeing how the majority of hunters and nearly 100% of your own selected test rifles end up being shorter.
Again, smart move creating division in the comment section, and keep up the content!
I'm really bummed! I already got these bullets for a long range deer & elk 300 WSM rifle of mine. The hand loads are very accurate but to have a chance of a blow up on an elk is a bad deal. Dog gone it! Thanks for doing the honest testing. I'll have to check for some other bullet to try. Keep up the good work.
If all you get is 15" of penetration, and the bullet loses 65% of its weight, that will kill any elk you shot in the chest. Any elk. Stop pretending otherwise. Fake f'ing drama queens.
Glad to be of service! I’ve heard some horror stories of these failing miserably on elk even at longer ranges.
I have no idea why so many people have a massive hard on for Hornady. Especially precision hunter. I have never been a fan. Federal Fusion/Terminal Ascent and Barnes LRX are my choices. The only Hornady bullet I have used with a lot of success is the 250gr FTX .450 Bushmaster. It hammers deer like nothing else.
I would not say I have a hard on but I will answer. The main reason Hornady has my loyalty is because, during the last couple shortages, they had bullets available consistently. Do their bullets hold together as well as Fusion(gold dot if I am not mistaken), terminal ascent, Sirocco 2, accubond, barnes..... No, they do not. But like any cup and core bullet, if used properly they will put meat in the freezer, and they do it at 1/2 the cost or less of the other bullets mentioned. Value means something,
@@jonathanrogers9961they cost the same or more than the other ammo…
@@DocHudson420 I am talking bullets as a reloading component, not loaded ammo. For .308 the 178g eldx is $0.45 per bullet. 168g barnes lrx are $0.92 per bullet. 180g accubond are $1.30each. And terminal ascent are not offered as a component anymore but were over $1.00 each when they were. The sirocco 2 had a similar design and comes in at $1.20 per bullet for the 180g.
Loaded ammo is similarly priced, bullets, not so much.
They generally have a wide ammo selection and typically are the most accurate in my rifles. Also their ammo is usually reasonably priced for their common loadings.
I know that when most of my stuff is one brand I often like to keep the rest of it the same brand. Just normal brand loyalty/compulsiveness.
@jonathanrogers9961 if you want a cheap good performer try the speer hot cor
Great test. The ELD-X is no wonder bullet. Actually it is just a cup-and-core tuned to the max for hunting. That’s why it is super cheap as a bullet for reloaders, an AccuBond Long Range costs twice as much. Now, if one wants to pay the loaded ammo prices regardless, …
My 30-06 loves this ammo but I use copper bullets for hunting. Thanks for sharing your gel test.
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Grest video! Im shooting these in 300wm, the accuracy is great so i was going to reload with these exact bullets. After seeing this i think ill try something else, can you recommend a projectile for elk size deer ? Im in Australia and im hunting sambar deer 🤙
If you can find it. The Winchester super X elk round silver tip. Not the ballistic tip. Has the deepest penetrator I've ever seen. I think the consistency of the led from each manufacturer determines its opening rate.
Your impact velocity at 100 yards should be 2500fps with your 2650 muzzle vel. The minimum expansion threshold of 1800 fps is held until 600 yards with your starting vel. if the published B.C. is correct.
The thing about a hunting bullet is it needs to perform on the target(some living creature) ANYWHERE from muzzle to max range. I must agree with you, that those might "splash" on an elk's shoulder at 100 yards or closer is a problem. It would certainly do worse from a magnum with greater vel.🤨
Or if it even reached its box velocity jt would probably be coming apart.
Especially if it's a 50 or 70 yard shot at proper speed or in a 300wsm or wm etc
A woman I follow on Instagram shot a bull elk with a 212grain eld-x from a 300prc at 418 yards, after two shots in the vitals it finally trotted off and died. Even at longer range these ELD-X bullets seem to be a failure IMO.
@@SonJWri that's absolutely not what I've seen. Go and look at the hundreds of eldx kill shots on video. Long range there isn't much better.
I've tried many boxes of hornady ammo though three different hunting rifles and honestly I wanted to like it but I always get better accuracy with federal fusion with all three rifles ( a weatherby,savage, and ruger) and I've had great results with federal fusion.
I found the complete opposite in factory rounds. I prefer the fusion bullet for hunting just wish I could find it to reload to get the accuracy I want
Fusion is the way
Tipped cup and core bullets suck compared to bonded and monolithics. That is why the latter two were invented. Hornady can fire up the marketing team as much as they want, it's still an old cup and core bullet.
First all match ammo is cup and core next its a soft core and tip for expansion at slow speeds but shitty if your not shooting 300 plus
I would not say old cup and core, It has definitely had all the features tweaked, modernized, and pushed about as far as you can push. Great BC, consistent jacket, tapered jacket thickness to control expansion at a wide velocity range, and an interlock ring. Yes it is still a cup and core bullet, but its about one of the best we currently have.
@@austinhowze6280 First of all this isnt a match, and for expansion at slow speeds it started at 2600fps - how much slower you want it to hit my dude? Stop the cope man.
@@jonathanrogers9961 It's an old cup and core bullet made on modern machines with a multi-million dollar marketing team. It is certainly not a great example of one, so I'm not sure what you're on about there at the end.
@@matthewspeller Why is it not a great example of a cup and core bullet. What cup and core hunting bullets are better? And in what way are they better?
I load 220gn ELD-X bullets for my 30-06 thinking I was gonna get maximum penetration on hogs, and can confirm in every water test they fragment, and in deer the only bullet I managed to recover after a full pass through the jacket was laying on the grass and the lead was less than 3" in the wet soil, I'm switching to 130gn or 150gn TTSX after I finish loading the 220s I have left.
Edit: frankly the SST does better and it's older so I'd assume it's a little cheaper, so I'd just load that for deer.
The 175 grain LRX works really good I've never used one of a 30-06 but out of the 300 win mag it takes elk right down even out to 400 or 450 yards but I imagine at closer ranges in a 30-06 it would be hard to beat
@@carlpreston1680oh I'm sure, I live in Southeast Georgia so my longest range is around 300 yards, many woods.
I was using the 130gn sst in my 270 and had the same thing happen, didn’t exit the deer though it was a quartering towards me shot and it totally blew up, found some of the lead core in the far side hide and part of the jacket lodged in the rib cage behind it switched to accubonds and haven’t looked back
Terminal ascent is the best bullet on the market try those u will love em
220gr have zero business being loaded in 06. Stick with 165gr.
I'll send this to hornady and see if they can make heads or tails of this, because I really like eldx
Makes sense now
Say what you want, judging by their performance, the ELDXs are just match bullets. Failure across calibers and cartridges from the same line of ammo says all a hunter needs to know. Test some of the Nosler stuff in 30-06, let's see how that works.
I’ve got some Federal Premium Nosler Partition loads coming up in .270 and 30-06 I believe, unfortunately that stuff is hard to find.
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather I can't wait. Is it the 165gn Partition?
I enjoy watching these video's same thing happened with the Frontier 556 68gr. Is it possible the third round each time hit a piece of lead from one of the first two rounds.
I know what you mean but I doubt that would cause complete disintegration, if a tiny fragment of lead would cause catastrophic failure then I’d hate to see what a shoulder blade or rib would do.
It is what it is
It is
Your tests are excellent! Since you already did the 50 yards test, is it possible for you to shoot a 100 yard test of 30-30 Hornady Leverevolution and 30-30 Hornady American Whitetail ammo? Also, if it is possible for you to find PPU 30-30 150 and 170 grains ammo in the US and test it at 100 yards? Greetings from Croatia!
Thanks for your support! I may do those again at 100 yards in the future, but the velocity loss between 50 and 100 shouldn’t make a huge difference. After my first few 30-30 videos I did switch to 100 yard testing for the caliber. I do have PPU on-hand for upcoming evaluation.
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather Thank you for your answer. Your channel and tests are super interesting. Yes, I was glad to see you started doing tests at 100 yards for the 30-30 caliber. I believe that for the purpose of comparing, selecting and purchasing ammo some people would benefit from seeing the performance of Hornady's 160gr Leverevolution and American American Whitetail 150gr ammo at 100 yards. By the way, any chance you could do a gel test for a 170 grain 357 Magnum Federal Hammerdown fired from a lever action rifle like you did for the Federal Hammerdown 44 Magnum?
I would like to see you test some ELD-M's if you haven't. As you know I shot several head of game this past season with the 178gr ELD-M and had two complete pass throughs, and only captured one. All the exits were large. I've never shot anything with an ELD-X. Hornady says there isn't a difference but there has to be. Either in the hardness of the lead core, or the jacket itself.
I’ve got some in 6.5C I’ll do when I get to them
Two bucks down with 143gr ELD-X out of a 6.5 Creedmoor. Neither produced a blood trail. First shot was just over 150 yards. Second shot was right about 100 yards. First bullet exploded on opposite rib cage with no exit. Second bullet did the same but a small shard exited. These bullets kill deer but they blow up internally and you cannot expect a blood trail. If you're in the South, bring a dog or get a new bullet. I've opted for using other bullets.
I have actually had an outfitter lament that a CO landowner had cautioned him about clients not using adequate rifles. Bullet blowup, or lack of expansion of projectiles at range. Or extreme range shooting were all points of concern. The rancher was tired of finding dead elk or mule deer. He asked that a hunter used a .28 caliber as a minimum and no shots over 300 yards.
It’s a big problem these days.
Keep in mind lead particles in your meat appreciate the video✌🏽
I would love to see you test Federal terminal ascent loads.
The .270 TA video has been live for a while, I just filmed .308 and have 30-06 coming up for filming. The .270 & .308 TA loads did good, it’s a tough bullet, I personally prefer Norma Bondstrike overall compared to TA but whichever was more accurate I wouldn’t hesitate to use.
I'm not shocked at this result, the ammo made for long range is just not what I want at 100 yards. I would love to see you take a couple shots with that ammo at 30 yards and see it you get any to hold the core. I would accept the results you got with this Precision Hunter if it was cheep ammo. But Premium ammo should work 99% of the time in a large velocity window!
At closer range who knows, I’ve recently come across some match shooters saying the ELDX sometimes breaks apart in-flight before hitting anything at all, wild.
I agree with you 100%
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ELD-X is similar to the interlock except for the tip. Not bonded either, will come apart!!
In order to expand at extended distances, it will expand violently at short distances and often result in a separation. I used the same bullet in my 308 on a doe this season. It did the exact same thing and completely separated. The deer was instantly dead, didn't move. It was frontal shot and I tucked it just inside the slightly turned shoulder. The jacket mad it about halfway back through the vital cavity and the led core made it all the way back to the rear ham. I see nothing wrong with it doing that if it put the deer dead on the spot
That’s not at all what they claim the performance to be, it’s printed right on the back of the box with photos. There are match shooters that have experienced these disintegrating in-flight before they hit anything at all. The issue is a lot more than that of reliable expansion at various/extended ranges (impact velocities).
They are soft for long ranges , My friend used the 6.5 creedmoor version to shoot a deer at 350 yards a big hole going in the ribs big hole coming out, mass expansion that distance it ran about 20 ft and felll over , another guy I know shot a large body mule deer at 200 yards with the 200 + grn ELDX in 300 ultra mag and it blew the whole shoulder off and never went into the chest cavity the deer never went a step so if you're going to use those you should be using them at longer ranges or shooting really slow closer ranges I mean this is no secret by now that there's not one bullet that works extremely well longer ranges and performs good at closer ranges they can come close but not ideal unless you want to lose a bunch of meat
1. They are absolutely not for “longer range” as marketed, they are marketed to work within an impact velocity window, it’s printed right on the box. These impacted substantially slower than the top end of that window and still were inconsistent.
2. You shoot a deer with a 300 Ultra Mag and the bullet used isn’t going to matter, it’s a 300 Ultra Mag.
I have problems with hornady ammo leaving residues in the barrel making my rifle loose accuracy, first time i see that was in a 22 magnum, then i try 243, 308, 30-06 and 6,5x55 all the same problem , not every rifle loose accuracy but the dirty barrels are there
It’s a good thing I watched this video before I took it hunting.
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Not my Cal but love that rifle with the cool fluted barrel. Cheers
Would love to see some sako ammo on here through the 3006 top vid.
Will eventually
👍😊 I’ve got some 308 stuff 🤷♂️ if it’s accurate. Tho good to see it can be a v-max to okish it didn’t go fmj.
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Tell it like it is even if it ticks some people off 👍
Absolutely
Do you have any plans to test the Speer Impact? I’d be willing to donate some if you were interested. It seems to be the Gold Dot/Fusion bullet with a tip. And I’d wager new Federal’s Fusion tipped is the same thing.
I’ll be doing everything, literally 👍🏼
A cannelure about halfway up the jacket would more than likely limit the jacket/core septation. The main reason I don't load ELD products.
It already has the interlock. Cannalure is just for crimping bullets
@@eggbert191That, and cannelures are the weak point in the jacket, they don’t “reinforce” the jacket.
I’ve recently heard from a match shooter that the interlock groove may itself be a big part of the problem, weakening the already thin jacket to the point of randomly fragmenting into oblivion
@@eggbert191 Hornady Precision Hunter products do not have a cannelure.
@@josephtindle4319 I'm well aware.
Eldx is definitely for longer range/lower velocity. I definitely don't want a fragmenting bullet. I stay away from sst and eldx or those that hunt with eldm. I'm a firm believer in mono and bonded bullets
I’m a bonded fan
I would be cool if you could do some Serra pro Hunter 270
I’ll be getting to everything
Personally not a fan of the ELD-x. Not saying it isn’t a very good extended range bullet, but most deer where I live are shot 100 yards and under and they just seem to be to explosive at short range and lack penetration. I will say I have nothing but love for the old interlock spire point and boat tail spire point bullets. Almost like Hornady doesn’t even consider them anymore, due to pushing the ELD-x bullets these days.
I would also like to point out Bonded bullets are cheaper in the long run as they put more meat in the freezer, unless you like eating lead now & then.
Fair point
No surprise there they should put a disclaimer on the box not close range ammo but it does shine at 300 plus i get .25moa out of this stuff
Unfortunately I’ve heard horror stories about long range shots with it also, even that the bullets disintegrate in-flight sometimes before hitting anything.
Just think about how bad it would be if the velocity would have been higher?
Absolutely, and it has to be considered that the chronograph velocity is higher than the actual impact velocity at 100 yards, they’re going slower by some margin when they hit than the velocity measured in the test, and still have issues.
It's definitely not a bonded bullet. That interlock jacket doesn't seem to be adequate at 100 yards.
When are we gonna see some 375 h&h ammo tests
June 6th at 6pm
If Hornady made this bullet a bonded partition or at least bonded it’d probably be much more consistent. The federal terminal accent is a perfect example of that
Federal is cut from a different cloth
Epic fail. I used Hornady 129 grain sst in 6.5 creedmoor. Like to see you test them
The 6.5C 129gr SST Superformance load is in Que, it will go live in the next few weeks.
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather iv had good luck with the superformance out of my creedmoor. Iv taken at least 20 white tails and at least tht many hogs with it.
Yep.
Indeed
Ha ha it’s comical how people can cry over something they have no control over or don’t make themselves. Your videos are informative, never mind what people say
There are many you tube videos with similar findings. My question is, when is Hornady going to acknowledge there is a problem with this ammo?
Never.
Throw some more marketing money at reinventing a round that already exists, like the 260 rem to 6.5 creedmor and rinse and repeat.
Haha, agree, I wish the 260 got the push the 6.5 did
Apparently never
These things just seem to be a fancy sst which is just a fancy vmax
I don’t disagree, I’ve had some very mixed results with SST’s also, some vids aren’t live yet, but I had some that were VERY slow completely fly apart, not like an SST kinda is meant to, but like an absolute frag like a Vmax.
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I was surprised by the low velocity. Out of a 22“ like yours my 200 grain ELD-X handload would be at about 2600 ft/s, and that is not a max charge.
What powder are you using to get that velocity? That’s impressive with a 200gr bullet. Tikka barrels do tend to be a little slower.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 if you are in the US you are probably out of luck, although they have a named US distributor. It’s a Swiss powder by a company with the apt name Reload Suisse. For this load I am using RS60, which is btw also brilliant for 300 Win Mag.
From a burn rate perspective it’s like Vihtavuori N550
@@nikos6220 I’m 90% certain that RS60 is sold in the U.S as Reloder 17. Good to know.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 ha, that’s crazy. Never heard about that. The fun part is that I zeroed in on this load for my 20“ savage based on a tool called GRT. Just checked the Hornady reload data for the 200 grain, and RL 17 is the top performer together with Superformance at 2650 ft/s, but they use a 24“. So that is right in line with my 20“ 2550 ft/s load
@@nikos6220 Yeah for whatever reason whenever a powder is imported to the U.S, they use a different same instead of the original. We have tons of Lovex powders imported by Shooters World, but they have Shooters World names.
Not a fused projectile, not advertised as one. Doesn't have anything holding the jacket to the core like their interlocks. I've had mixed results using these exact pills on deer and bear. The results from every shot is a dead animal. They are accurate and they kill every time. If I'm wanting deep penetration, weight retention, and salvage as much meat as possible I'm using the speer gold dots or the federal fusions.
These are accurate as all get out and if I'm making head shots I'm using the eldx or eldm line. Banging for meat I'm using a bonded or monolithic. Duh!
I agree that their marketing is not honest. We are years past the introduction of these and we all know the results. But people keep buying them for some reason or another. Thanks for the video!
It has the interlock
It literally is an interlock with a tip
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@@masonoutdoors_masonleather I do love the bear design. I will have to check out your pricing on your website. I'd prob want two. One for a right, and one for a left hand savage 110 with the accustocks. Right hand is the high country, and the left hand is the timberline. Both chambered in 6.5 prc. I'll go take a look.
Here is my perspective on the hornady precision hunter in any caliber.the eld bullet is a match bullet the eld-x is a hybrid between hunting and match the only difference between the two is the thickness of the jacket the eld line of bullet are designed for longer range test this stuff at 200-300 yards and you will get the results you want
Its already 200fps slower than box velocity so its already simulating a 300 yard hit due to lower speed at his 100 yd target.
A woman I follow on Instagram shot a bull elk at 418 yards using a 212gr ELD-X from a 300PRC. The video of it showed she shot it twice behind the left shoulder into the vitals before it finally trotted off and died
I’ve heard guide stories of elk taking 7-10 rounds of the stuff before the guide had to shoot them with something else
The velocity at impact is going to be even slower (a good amount slower) than the already slow muzzle velocity, it’s already nowhere near where it supposedly can perform at and still broke up.
I will admit they group really nice! Sub MOA in my FN made Winchester model 70. They work phenomenal for yotes and groundhogs. I'm not using this stuff for big and medium game.. I've gotten similar results. Cup and core separation is common. The Eld-x is essentially a rebranded match bullet. Match bullets perform very inconsistently with game. If you deer hunt or big game hunt, stick with tried and true. Barnes TSX or Nosler Partition. Fusion and Corelokt work well with medium game. Don't buy into the hype. I think these rebranded match bullets are nothing more than a gimmick. Most of us want controlled expansion not a grenade!
So I would say the ELD-x is match grade. I do think they added features to make it more of a hunting bullet, mainly the interlock and tapered jacket thickness to initiate and control expansion. Whether is does that well is of course up for debate. Personally I think this would be fine for deer and medium sized game, but definitely not large game. But opinions vary. Argued with a hunter once. Posted vids of a moose hunt with a 6.5cm and eld-m. bullet blew up, shredded the left lung and heart, barely made it halfway into the animal, moose dropped where it stood, dead as a doornail. Still not sure how I feel about it though, not something I would want to try.
Monolithic bullets are very unreliable and need speed to properly and reliability expand.
Lol. Great video. Keep it real brother.
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It's a shame because it shoots half moa out of my rifle. It was built for BC not terminal performance
It seems that most Hornady ammo fails unless it's a solid copper bullet
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I like the 165 grain federal fusion bullet better
2750fps at what bbl length ???
Probably 24. Tikka barrels tend to be slow though.
24 is almost always the test length for rifles unless its lever action then its 20
Make believe barrel length
That 178gr ELDX in 30-06 was not accurate in my rifle. Maybe it is in others but not mine.
That performance is what those West Coast open range hunters want. But as East Coast people don’t. That’s why you see such varying opinions.
I live in the Rocky Mountain West and I’m not touching the ELDX with a 10 foot pole.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 it amazes me how many love eldx. I think the name Precision is the reason it seeks so well
Good man
Norma Bondstrike is the way
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather I lucked out and got 200rds of 180gr Bondstrike in 30-06 for $1 a round.
I can pass on the inconsistencies in performance. As a vendor I hear from individuals both lauding the accuracy but lamenting the performance on game. Instances of shallow penetration, lower than box velocities and game not recovered. “But they shoot good”. 😳
It’s a real problem. People get taken by marketing and have come to view the tightest group size as the most important factor, when it’s of little to no consequence in reality. Almost any modern rifle will shoot almost any ammo plenty good enough for the overwhelming majority of hunting situations.
Stick with remington cor-lokt and you will have no such problems😊
Do you remember what Order you fired the bullets in? Which shot was the bullet that franged apart?
Also, could it be that the rifle twist may have affected these bullets’ expansion? Have you fired them in an 30-06 with a different rifle twist?
I’m just curious. I have noted drastic bullet behavior changes within a same caliber but different rifle twist, on another caliber I’m working with, but instead of over-spinning, im seeing pressure anomalies.
As seen in previous posts the tikka t3x tends to be a little slower than average
That would be a larger bore and less damage to the jacket
This seems to indicate that most other barrels would cause even more frangibility
I don’t know what order it was, I do know that there are lots of other bullets I’ve evaluated that do not blow up into oblivion.
I don't know exactly why people would get upset over a bullet test.
It is pretty goofy
Don’t like ELDX bought one box for my 308 still have Half box didn’t shoot very well in my savage
Save it for a rainy day I spose
Accubond, or Barnes are the superior Hunting bullets.
Barnes is up there, they do what they say they will, their reputation seems well deserved. I don’t have any experience with Accubond yet.
@masonleather They actually expand, but retain their weight.
I would love to see a gel test with the Sierra Tipped Game King bullets.
I’ll get to it
They look good to me. Cheers
You don't eat what you shoot do you? Good luck getting all that lead out of your deer.
I applaud Hornady for being creative and trying to be the leader in quality hunting ammo. However, not all their creations work as advertized and we as shooters and hunters need to understand that. If the ELDX is better for longer ranges what happens when your trophy bull moose or elk show up 100 yards away? Make a quick change in your ammo? I don't think so. I'm old fashioned and prefer the soft pointed cup and core bullets. Even the Leverevolution ammo has a failure in about 1 in 4 shots on bigger game. Again, the Leverevolution has the polymer tip to provide better balistics in tube magazine lever guns.
I buy a lot of Hornady bullets for reloading but never buy the ELDX or Leverevolution bullets.
Thank you for your post. I see someone did'nt like your review so they had to find fault with you on your leather products. Sad.
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