322: The Best Bullet for 30-06?
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- Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! What the heck does a Frisbee have to do with a bullet? Well, you might be surprised. We've got a discussion of Frisbees on this episode of Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcasts, along with info on the best bullet for the 30-06, good information on holsters for handguns with lights, and something about nodes in barrels for accuracy. If you've ever wondered about nodes, stay tuned.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Love how lately over a wide variety of platforms the GREAT 30-06 getting so much attention. Amazing cartridge
Yes n sure beats all the Hypemoor info
Ron, I just wanted to take a second and say thank you for keeping your language clean. Lots of channels don't keep it that way thinking it will get them more viewers, but you don't and still keep it fun and interesting. It's just really nice when I'm listening to you like a podcast in the car with my young son who is an up and coming hunter that I don't have to worry that he will hear a bunch of trash language. That's for keeping it classy!
When I was hunting Roosevelt bull elk last season, I entered a mixed forested area where I had seen cows go into the day before; it’s Western Oregon, so I could only see 0-50 yards depending on where in the 360 deg. circle around me.
I set up a make-shift stand overlooking a well-used trail under a vine maple dome with a lawn chair I carried in with me. I’m 60, so I wanted to be comfortable and absolutely still if I had to wait around all day.
@9am, I heard something and positioned myself in the lawn chair to use my knees and sling as an entangled bipod, I expected either does or cow elk, but got neither, it was a very mature Black-tailed buck with a rack that could’ve been used as a basketball hoop (ok, I’m exaggerating just a little, but not much.)
The buck was about 30 yards from me and looked like a 4x5, which are hard to find in their brushy domain. He didn’t notice me until I lowered my rifle, and even then, he probably wondered why an old man would be this far from his remote control, let alone wasting his time in his woods. He peered at me, browsed around a bit and raised his neck straight up while chewing, he did this for what seemed like hours, but mustn’t been more than a couple minutes. There wasn’t a thing I could do about his blatant taunting, knowing it was a couple weeks out of buck season, I could only watch him saunter casually away, rack and all. I was slightly aggravated and felt a little disrespected, until I thought about next buck season… sweet revenge.
As this year’s buck season loomed closer and closer, I decided that my 260AI would be too much at brush ranges, so I started thinking about older guns like the ‘94, the 336, the ‘88, the BLR and the ‘99.
I got busy and nothing happened with any of these dream guns, so I started thinking about hand-loading reduced loads with perhaps the 120 gn. Nosler Partition for my 260AI.
About a month ago, I was visiting my mom and step-dad. We started talking about the coming season and I told them the buck story I just told you and my cartridge dilemma. I said what I really need is a brush gun that wouldn’t over-expand or over-penetrate. That’s when my mom looked at my step-dad, and told him, “go get it.” I watched him go over to his glass-paned gun cabinet and pull out an old firearm, he carried it over to me and said, here John, this is yours; my mom said, your grandpa gave that to me to give to you.
It was a Savage Mod. 1899, straight stock, with a 1912 serial number, chambered in .30-30. It was in fair condition, pitted receiver, missing bluing, cracked forearm and stock; but I was still amazed at my fortune. Knowing it was my grandfather’s, who also hunted Black-tails and Rosies brought tears to my eyes and I couldn’t thank her enough. My grandfather received it for a wedding gift from my grandmother’s father (my great-grandfather) in 1935; before that, my great-grandfather hunted with it since he bought it new in 1912.
I bought Boyd’s replacement walnut, and now I have to fit it, buy a peep-sight and sight it in before Oct. 7th, but what an awesome dilemma to be in.
That's awesome mate, I would cherish that gun, good onya buddy cheers Yogi 👍
Wow. That is an impressive story, sir. I hope you and your new, to you, gun a successful hunt.
Awesome story! I love it when things like this get passed down from your family.
Wonderful family heirloom and great story, John. Thanks for sharing with us.
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Without watching the video, the best bullet for the 30-06 is the one that you can shoot the best out of your 30-06.
Which in my case is the Hornady 165 gr BTSP. Been using this for 30 years & have taken lots of deer.
@@user-rk4zm3nb5fsame, my 30:06 loves a 165 grain boat tail…doesn’t seem to matter which manufacturer.
Your's is half the right answer, Jack. The other half is "and of the right materials and construction for the terminal effect your target requires." A frangible 110-gr. that shoots 1/4 MOA is still not the best bullet for terminating an elk 300 yards away. I'd much prefer a 165-gr. all copper hollow point or 180-gr. bonded core boat tail that grouped no better than 1.5 MOA for that job. Cheers.
“Which bullet(s) shoot best out of your rifle, for the game you’re hunting”* don’t worry. I got you
Half true yes I totally agree with you. I would say a 220 grain bullet would be best for a brown bear though.
For the guy that wants a 22 LR that can switch to a 22mag there is a rifle by heritage called the Rancher it’s a single action revolver rifle. Thanks Ron for the great content
I believe Rossi made one too, but I don’t remember what it is called and all I can find is info on the Circuit Judge.
Thompson Center also played around with theses types of guns, but all I can find right now is the Contender.
You got it buddy. I'm an FFL and heritage makes the rancher. It's a single action revolver rifle. They also sell a 22wsm cylinder for around 30 bucks USD that will swap right in.
For our Australian friend, I'd recommend a CZ 457. It's very easy to swap barrels/calibers with basic tools.
A 180 grain Nosler Partition over 56 grains of IMR 4350. Deadly on everything from mice to moose.
Yep. Perfect.
Hard load to beat.
More than ethical on deer and antelope without destroying all the meat, while penetrating enough for elk, moose, grizzly, musk ox
I agree, except I use IMR 4831. It did a great job on a Kudu and a Wildebeest in Africa.
180 grain very popular here in South Africa
For Harrison: Sako Quad. Quick change barrels. Offered in four rimfire calibers, including LR and WMR.
Good video! A favorite channel!
I am an aerospace engineer, long time disc golf enthusiast, and hunter and after hearing this question I think I have finally found my calling!
Bullets and golf discs are governed by the exact same principles - both are unstable objects flying through the air that are stabilized by spin. A golf disc is creating lift, and the angle at which it encounters the air determines where on the disc that lift acts. At high speed the angle is low and the lift is centered behind the center of gravity, which tries to lift the back of the disc and point the nose down. However, spin does something weird to pitching moments like that - it causes them to act on an axis 90 degrees from where they should! In this case the spin causes that moment to instead rotate the disc to the right and it turns right during the high speed portion of the flight.
As the disc slows down and begins to descend, the air encounters the nose at a higher angle and the center of lift moves forward, trying to lift the nose up instead of down. The gyroscopics now cause the disc to instead turn left instead of right, and we call this the disc’s “low speed fade.”
Bullets are stabilized by spin the same as discs, but they are different in that they spin about an axis pointing forward instead of the vertical axis. However, the spin still causes some interesting effects that are explainable by the same math and physics. As the bullet falls, the angle of attack increases and because of gyroscopics it manifests as a drift to the right - we call this spin drift. A left-to-right crosswind makes the bullet “see” a slightly nose-left angle of attack, and the gyroscopics make this show up as a vertical drift - we call this aerodynamic jump. Bullets move faster than discs by orders of magnitude and have much higher spin rates and smaller surface areas, so these forces are all much smaller than for discs and the resulting deviation from straight flight are also much less dramatic. That’s why we don’t generally see these effects until bullets reach 500-600 yards.
I need those 220 grain round noses for my next squirrel hunt.
They should work.
I like the way you think. A rut in bark with fur sticking out of the splinters on both sides has always been my choice! Darned tree rats about wiped out my beans, melons and squash!
Not sure if you are going to get enough penetration…
Lol just make sure you're using copper or a bonded bullet. Want something tough for those critters 😆
Jokes aside a 100gr downloaded to around 1000fps was the ticket for me before the primers became unobtanum.
.30-06 SPRG. / 180gr Nosler Partition / Winchester LR primer / 57.5gr H4350 / Winchester brass. / Best round ever.
Sounds like a rocket with that charge. What kind of velocity are you getting with that?
That is off the Hodgdon site. Hodgdon says 2798 fps. @@danielmaine45
Agree 56.0 was mine 180 speer grand slams nothing got away
Favorite was imr 55.5 4350 165 nosler bt bt one hole out of a sako
@@kencleg7721 Nice!
You are correct about Heritage Arms offering a 22LR/22WM convertible. Just change the cylinder. They also have a model with a 16 inch barrel so you can attach a buttstock. Shooting a stocked revolver requires a different technique to avoid powder burns on your wrists. CZ offers (I think) a bolt action that swaps barrels with just a single screw. This might be a better choice for our friends down under.
Yup I have several of the revolvers
I had 1 of those myself. Very affordable. Didn't care for the safety mechanism, but decent shooter. Never considered a rifle stock for it, but certainly doable.
Only you could talk about frisbee and bullets in the same video…lol love your work.
Ron talking frisbees!!!😹😹😹 love it!!
One bullet I don't hear you comment on much is the Accubond LR bullets. Best of both worlds. I use the 168 gr. in .308 & 30-40 Krag and I use the 175 gr. in the 7mm Mag and the 129gr. in 6.5 Grendel. My brother also uses the 142 gr. in the 6.5 Creedmore. It's a bonded bullet that works down into the 1300 fps range per the manufacturer and my experience. They are super consistent and accurate as well and HIGH BC typically. They have a 165 gr. version in .270 which would work awesome if you have a .270 with a 1-9 twist or faster and enough throat space. I have great luck with them and their bc helps with wind bucking.
I use 190 and 210 grain accubond LR if long shots are expected
The 190-210 gainers are awesome bonded lr bulleta and don't blow up at close ranges because of their lower mv in 06 and still expand well out to 600 yds
Love then.
@@jamiehurtt3530 Hit the nail on the head there, everyone figures that the only way to keep a bullet from blowing up is to make it tough... dropping the velocity will often accomplish the same thing.
Love the eld 168 for the 06
For the 30-06 Nosler Partitions have never failed me….. 180 grain bullets
165 grain seems to be the sweet spot for the 06.
164gr black tips
Hey Ron on the single action pistol that will interchange between .22lr and .22 wmr heritage does make interchangeable cylinders but also they make a carbine it's basically a revolving rifle and it would appear that the cylinders will interchange as well hope this helps the gentlemen in Australia
For newbies to Africa...visiting the Dallas Safari Club, Houston Safari Club or Safari Club International Conventions will help you find an outfitter. I've not been able to go due to health reasons, but I've gotten a lot of information just by joining DSC.
I used the 150 grain soft point on elk. Never a problem. Remember, bullet placement is everything
I appreciate your enthusiasm and sentiment, Fred, but of course you realize that, while bullet placement is essential, it's can't be everything or we'd all be shooting no-recoil 22 shorts at elk and bears. Bullet construction, mass, and velocity are also part of the equation. I remark this so that new hunters don't get the wrong idea. Cheers.
I think it cool something so old is still throwing down....
Kind of like when your grandma puts you in your place.
Heritage makes a revolver that has interchangeable cylinder's .22lr and .22wmr. You can buy it with a 16 inch barrel. I dont know if that is exact for the aussie guy or not, but hope that helps!
I have a 308, and don't expect to hunt anything or have access to shooting distances that the 308 can't handle, but I'm sure getting hyped about the 30-06.
If you are satisfied with the 308, keep using it. A .30-06 just throws a heavier bullet better. I have used both extensively. They are great rounds.
In actual use, I feel that most of the popular "all around" cartridges are barely distinguishable from each other. From about the 7-08 right up to the 7mmMag, the real world difference is minimal. On deer I could never see any difference between the 6.5x55 and 30-06. Never used the 6.5 on moose, but my hunting partner's 7-08 seems to kill them just as fast as my 06'.
Lighter bullets in a 25 caliber rifle. Years ago, a friend built himself a custom rifle on a 700 action, chambering it for the 25-06 and using the standard twist rate of 1 in 10. He stocked it with a beautiful piece of feathercrotch walnut that he personally selected. It was a gorgeous rifle but he didn't get the accuracy he wanted with the heavier bullets. He went to using the 100 gr nosler partition in it, with great results. He used it for many, many years, taking many elk, moose, bear, deer, and antelope. I don't know exactly how many elk he took, but he started hunting with a 6mm Remington and used that until he built the 25-06, and he told me that he took 37 elk, mostly with those two rifles and mostly with the 25-06. He liked the 95 gr partition in his 6mm.
I certainly understand how easy it is for the uninitiated to get confused by the terms we use. My wife had no idea that a round of ammunition was a single bullet. After all a round of drinks could be a substantial volume depending on the party. Likewise a grain of powder would surely have her thinking that we were speaking about a single granule of corned black powder. Quite a difference. While I use a dribbler when reloading, we don't actually need to count granules for accuracy.
The Aussie might want to look into the sako quad. A bolt action comes with quick change barrels, will need both sizes of magazines. Something to look into for shooting different calibers
Rem action remage the barrels u can put 308 into the action and still work Adjust the head space yourself
Savage only has one type of action there’s no med large action remage or savage the barrels and swap
Any piece of metal has an natural resonance frequency and we can adjust the energy to match that frequency. Barrel attachments can also effect resonant frequency.
Man Ron my household is hooked, I’ll send my grand kids 2 fight 4 u. Man are we butchering English? Love that you’re an ex professor
On Harrison's question about a switch barrel rimfire rifle. If a bolt action is acceptable, CZ makes the model 457 that allows switching the barrels between 22 LR, 22 WMR, and 17 HMR. The process does require stock removal and loosening/removing the barrel retaining Allen head (socket head?) screws. I have an older model 452 and it's pretty accurate with ammunition it likes, hope this helps.
I am a devout handloader so I alwas load a partitioned bullet. The sot front will always give you sufficient espansion and the back of the bullet will penetrate. On cartridge-one bullet for everything saves a ton o bench time and save sme money
Hobbit, good point about one cartridge-one bullet saving time and money, but it also solidifies one's shooting by its consistency. No need to memorize new or different trajectory curves.
The 190 gr bullets seem pretty interesting. 180 gr have been tried and true, the 190 are a BC upgrade without losing too much velocity.
Ron, CZ has a CZ455 20.5" blue steel American Barrel Conversation Kit in 22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR). Barrel has the same .22LR American factory contour, with a 1 in 16" twist. Kit also includes a 5-round .22 WMR magazine.
Thanks for this info, Bud. I think our Australian friend didn't want to have to change barrels, but maybe this will work for him.
My main hunting rifle is a Remington 770 I bought around the turn of the century. It is a cheap rifle scope combo that became my favorite rifle. It is a 1.5 to 2.5 moa rifle with factory ammo. I developed a hand load that will shoot 1/2moa. I loaded 20 rounds with 4 round groups from min. Load to max load(150g sierragame king with 45g-55g of h380) . I found the most accurate load right in the middle about 1.25 moa. I loaded in the same way up ad down in tenth grain increments and landed on 50.4g. One tenth grain up or down and my groups would be. 75 moa 2 tenths would be 1moa. But about 4 tenths more or less and it would be back to .75 moa. I found my node at 50.4g
Thanks for the work that you do.
Ron: As usual great, informative video!! I have learned a lot from you and thanks for your hard work. Great fan of the 30-06. Buffalo Bore' which load their ammo. to SAMI specs , recommends a 168 grain bullet for animals like Moose, Bison. On a side note I have shot their 44mag +p+. I would feel very comfortable with this round in my 7.5 Ruger Super Red Hawk as a back up gun
As I understand it, and may be wrong, but the win 70 was more accurate. However the rem 700 was much cheaper to produce and cheaper to purchase. Controlled feed vs. Non controlled. I would still prefer a win 70, pre 64. Keep her up Ron!
180 grain Swift A Frame. Take it anywhere in the world. If I had one gun and one bullet, this would be it; you’re not gonna kill a rhino or an elephant with it, that’s a different realm, but everything else it can. I don’t even own a 30-06, But the numbers can’t lie. It is probably the most versatile cartridge ever made for a rifle. I have a 300 Winchester mag and I download it to 3006 equivalent just cause I hate the kick, and it will do anything I need it to. If I go to far West Texas for antelope, or very very long shots, which virtually never happen then I can load it up to its normal 300 WinMag velocities, rarely a need for that.
for some reason my reloads with 180 grain hardcore and the 180 grain ballistic tip was my most accurate
The Marlin 38-55 bores measure about .380 with longer brass. The Win 94's 38-55 measure about .375 bore with .125 shorter brass. Nobody makes copper jacked .380 dia. bullets for the Marlin it's a cast bullet only option with paper patching to get higher velocity than black power. I like my Marlin 38-55 cb but it's a pain to load for. If I wanted a 38 cal lever action I'd look at the .375 Win. But 30-30 is a lot easier and cheaper to shoot. Unless you're really into the odd ball cartridges.
Barnes still catalogs the "Original" for the 38/55 but I haven't been able to put my hands on any lately...
Hi Ron, nice discussion on what bullet for the 30-06 and deer. I started hand loading 50 years ago, I learned by just watching my Dad and reading Phillip B. Sharps books 'The Rifle in America" and "Complete Guide to Handloading". Early on I was captured by the concept of higher sectional density and higher ballistic coefficient. This lead me to load my 06 rounds for deer hunting with the 165 grain Sierra Spire Point BT bullets. I figured that I was giving up very little MV and not much more trajectory for a bit more energy and sectional density. On deer that 165gr bullet has been deadly, always quick kills and plenty of killing power and full passthrough, although tracking was rarely required. Over the years I came to appreciate the 06 was more gun than needed for deer and have since switched to the 270 with 140gr bullets. Again the 270/140 has more SD than the 370/130. As always Ron your discussions are the best on the web.
I like how you implied sizing down to a 270, I just turned 34 and I'm loving the 06 it's an absolute beast.
220gr to 60gr I shot them all!
on deer the 270 win is effective and the 30-06 is a Hammer or a Beast as you say.@@linkbond08
Dallas Safari Club has a big convention every January
Depends on where and what you are hunting i usec 165 gr and 220gr corlock as my 2 06 rounds
Exactly right. If I'm in a tree stand overlooking an ag field I'll probably choose a 150 grain. If I'm sneaking through the woods I want that 220 grain round nose.
My Tikka T3x lite roughtech likes Barnes Vortx 150gr and Hornady Outfitter 180gr. I get 1/2” groups at 100 yards from a rest. When it comes to shooting free handed, I get a tighter group with the Barnes at two inches at 100 yards.
The Cz 457 is convertible between 22lr and 22 mag with the purchase of a kit from cz. I'm not sure of the work and tools needed, but I have a buddy who shoots cz's and his are very nice and very accurate.
Depends on what you’re doing with it.
Good video.
Anything with Nosler on the box has always done right by me
CZ used to have a bolt action rimfire rifle that switched barrels between 22 lr, 22 mag, and I think the 3rd was 17 hmr. It only takes a few minutes to switch between them. If memory serves me correctly, it is a model 455.
The best holster I have found for my Glocks is made by Fobus and I got them from Amazon for 50$. They are made for light/laser combos or whatever. By far the most durable and comfortable I have found. With the 30:06 I also find Hornady 165 PSP will do the job nicely on whitetail. .270 Win I use 130 PSP. Hope this helps someone.
TC made the single shot contender and encore formats that this is possible with.
The point of the barrel is only stationary at the peak and valley of the 'wave'. (not in between as you stated). The barrel is stationary when at the peak of the wave because that is where it changes direction.
G'day Ron,
The frisby thing made me think.
I once tried to get a 95g Vmax to work in my 32'' 1/8'' twist 6.5x284. Sorry I don't remember the figures but was 10x 5 round loads trying to get a(safe) flat frangible option for My open F class gun. Shot at 150 yrds. It was a fun day but results were quite funny.
Low velocity over stabilised
At the lower powder weights the projectiles were yawing and cutting perfect silhouettes of their shape. They were still grouping within 3 minutes but hitting target sideways.
Medium velocity Still over stabilised
The higher the charge the tighter the group but none hit with their point first. Projectiles yaw and tumble cutting sideways and nearly backwards.
High velocity Over Stabilised
The last few 5 round higher charges resulted in only a few rounds hitting the target but they were on aim point. The Higher velocity ones were vapourising and about 30 yrds from the muzzle!
Have a great day!
Cheers,
Adam.
Adam from Wi... best Mauser carbine I've used is the old Husqvarna 1600. I like em' so much that I have two identical setups, just incase I need a spare, and have used "the twins" almost exclusively for the last 7-8 seasons. They have a 20" bbl and weigh a little less than 7.5 lbs wearing a low powered scope, which even today is hard to beat for a walnut stocked Mauser, and they can be had for quite cheap. I own more expensive rifles, but the Huskys remain my favorite.
Your spot on with 165-168 grain bullets for the ‘06.
My hunting partner used a 165 gr Hornaday interlock bullet in his 06. Shot under .75 in, game performance was impressive. Shot Moose with it, and it worked great.
In the non magnum .30s the 165 gr is my goto weight provided the rifle shoots them well.
Good to hear, I typically use 180 grain Interlocks or Corelokts but recently acquired an 06' that shoots lighter bullets much better. Wasnt sure if I'd need to go up to a Partition or similar to use 165's for moose.
Zastava has the m85 mini action and the LK m70 regular action. Both are control round feed. The Interarms mark 10 assembled in Birmingham, UK imported by Interarms Virginia has a Zastava controlled round feed as well.
Hi Ron, this may have already been answered, but there used to be s Heritsge Cattleman's Carbine. It's s pistol with an extremely long barrel, but it came with a stock so you could shoulder it like a rifle. It came with two cylinders. One for 22lr and one for 22mag. Now I'm not sure if it's still available though but he could check.
The Heritage Rough Rider is available with both cylinders. And some can be had with 12in barrels I believe. I've had one for about 8 years and have never had an issue.
Good to know, Ben. Thanks!
Harrison could use a Thompson center carbine in his two calibers and a multitude of others. It is a break action single shot so it shouldn't be a problem.
To the fellow from Australia, the Heritage revolver company makes a single action only revolver called the Rancher Carbine, it has a 16 inch barrel and a carbine buttstock. You can easily switch the cylinders between 22LR and 22 WMR with no tools, this might fit his needs.
Mason Leather tests indicate the 180 grain corelokt Remington PSP to rank amoung the best. These are recent but this was Jack Occoner go to on Kodiak Browns. Yes Jack used 30-06 on big stuff with only corelokt 180 psp.
My 700 Remington in 30-06 that I’ve had since I was 16 and I’m now 49 has always liked the 150 grain core lokt psp. Groups just under a inch,only hunted white tails but never lost one or had one go over 10-15 yards ever. And that’s from around 30 to a touch over 300 yards. I don’t use it much anymore bought a Weatherby in 25-06 that hammers from 20 yards out to just shy of 400 yards with a 115 gr Nosler Partition drt heck of a combo. Federal quit making that load got 2 boxes left, I don’t hand load so I’ll have to find something else it likes.
Heritage has a pistol that has interchangeable cylinders for 22lr and 22mag they also have a 16 inch version that has interchangeable pistol grip and a buttstock they work pretty well and are not expensive I’ve got the classic 7 1/2 “ version cheap but works and accuracy is pretty good
One tenth of a grain of powder can make a huge difference, especially when the cartridge has small case capacity. You have to find the sweet spot without exceeding safe pressures.
10:30. Ron, the CZ 455 and CZ 457 have user changeable barrels in .22LR, .22WMR, and .17HMR.
The 178 gr ELD-X hornady. Also the Hornady Orecision hunter in 30-06
I have a rebarreled '98 action that really has a problem stabilizing anything longer than a 165 grain bullet. I'm using my pet load for 150 grain that consistently prints sub-moa for deer. The 165 open up to moa and greater for elk, but most shots don't extend to over 300 yards so they don't notice the difference. My problem is that if I try any 180 grain I can guarantee a keyhole or a scatter blast pattern.
The shape of the disc determines the air going over and under the disc which changes the stability. Almost all discs are overstable when thrown slowly, so it changes based on the straightline speed. A higher spin rate causes the disc to be staighter on both overstable and understable discs because it takes more force to change the direction of a gyroscopic object the faster it spins.
On that 22lr/22wm for Harrison, check with the Heratige, Rossi, and Ruger for a 22lr/22wm revolver carbine.
38-55 is a fantastic round, mild recoil, hard hitting , easy to reload. Uses black powder or smokeless. Great for deer, antelope, Black bear, and big razorbacks.
*For the Australian Guy*
I own one of those Heritage Colt SAA revolvers in 22LR. It's 75% scale of the original and I'm unsure if it comes in rifle form but it DOES, in fact, come with two cylinders for both 22LR and 22WM
Ron--- your guy need a TC encore-- to have easy switching between 22 lr and 22 mag. And its very accurate.
The old Hi-Standard double Nine double action 9 round revolver came with both .22lr and .22 magnum cylinders which are quickly interchangeable. Now the Diamondback Firearms Sidekick revolver is a shorter barreled copy of the same revolver and is really inexpensive due to the cheaper zinc frame.
Heritage rough rider rifle with a 22mag cylinder works just lovely
Hi Ron,
For the gentleman in Oz, I just today saw a Heritage revolver/rifle in 22LR and 22 Mag. Rifle stock, but no forestock. Very similar to Colt's 1873 stocked buntlines. I'm guessing that it is a 16" barrel. Probably fun to plink with, but the accuracy would be questionable without a forestock.
Also CZ was (don't know if it's still manufactured) making a fine rimfire with a 4 barrel system. 22LR, 22 Mag, 17 HMR, and 17 Mach II. Sorry but I cant recall if it's a 457 variant. Naturally it's a bolt action, so should be "legal" in Oz. Heck, I think, I just sold myself on one.
Cheers, Jeff
Some of My favorite all purpose hunting bullets
For the 06 and gemerel purpose out to a😢bout 300 yds or so on deer, elk, moose etc are 180 barnes ttsx , nosler partitions, or in timber 180 -200 grain swift a frames ! love the 200 grain a frames for bigger tougher stuff.where i expect shots to be inside 300.
Theyll handle a griz too pretty well and get that deep penetration requred .makes me feel a little safer when huntimg around stuff with teeth and claws !
For long range hunting on elk deer etc at 400 and beyond my go to are the 190-210 grain accubond LR bullets are hard to beat in 06 .some of the highest bc abailable for the old o6 . 0597 in 190 and 0.661 bc for the 210
They hit with authority at distance in the old warhorse .all great bullets
I have good success with Hornady Interbond 180 gr in 30-06.
I don't want a softer bullet than that.
Tested Accubond on a couple of wild boars, sure they died but a lot of splinters and poor residual weight.
Hornady Interbond is cheaper too.
I have plans to test the Swift Scirocco 2 in the future in 180 gr.
I like that bullet in my 7mm rem mag in 150 grain.
I have also tried Hornady Interbond 154 grain in it but it was too soft I thought I broke a lot.
I have Taurus SCJ22 revolver rifle with both .22 LR and 22 WMR.
There are cz rimfires that will take 22 mag and 22 lr with a barrel change kit sounds like what they want since they saod it can be bolt action too.
It is amazing how far a buck can go after taking damage. I shot a norther California blacktail buck at 60 yards with a 308, 150gr TTSX that was loaded to 3000fps at the muzzle. Took out both shoulders and both lungs. Still ran about 30 yards. Think your advice on slug choice is solid.
I once took a steep quartering shot on a WT doe. She left a blood trail I could have followed in the dark, sprayed all over the trees. I found her after 40 yards, the bullet had smoked about 3 ribs on the way in and expanded violently into an ugly mushroom that sliced a huge hole in the side of the boiler room, I could have easily put my fist through the hole into her lungs. Where she went down there was no blood pool, she had completely run out of blood before going down.
Adrenaline is a powerful chemical for sure.
Yeah but rest assured you're using one of the best possible bullets out there.
Hi Mr. Spomer!
I love your content and appreciate your years of experience and your commitment to the outdoor sportsman community.
I have been I little frustrated by the format of recent videos that have a title with a topic I want to hear about but then you cover a plethora of other topics I’m not as interested in.
Would it be possible to time stamp (in the description perhaps) the section of the video where you cover the titular subject matter? Just my $0.02
Thanks!!!
Cz457 has interchangeble barrels. 22 lr, 22mag, and 17 Hmr
My favorite round is a 25/06 with Barnes 100 grain ttsx
There is Alfa Proj from Czech Republic offering a revolver carbine model called Hunter in both 22LR and 22WMR with replacement drums available. Not sure though if those are available at your location.
The great thing about PCP air rifles is that we do not have to reload to tune for a node. We adjust the hammer spring tension until our groups tighten up. Most guns even have the option to adjust a regulator or two so we can use different projectile types and weights. Finally, shooting a slug to 200 yards requires the same calculations as shooting a long-range cartridge out to a thousand yards. As most people do not have that range to practice on, a PCP slug gun becomes the ideal tool to teach people how to use a laser range finder and ballistic calculator.
There is a reason why they banned air rifles from .22lr competitions. They are more accurate once tuned.
Hello ron I've been a stout fan of yours sense the early 90's as a kid I've seen u on many hunting shows over the years and like u I have a love of lever guns in fact my first gun was a marlin 336 chambered in 30-30 my question to you is how different are the 30-30 and the 35 remington in proformance now I know the 35 rem is a bit bigger being a .358 but it's in a short cartridge and I has many of arguments on the versatility of the rounds could you bring some light to the subject if at all possible it would be appreciated
Cz457 american has a 22lr 17hmr combo. Heritage pistols often come with a 22 mag cylinder and they have the rough rider rancher carbine w ith a 16 inch barrel
Heritage rough rider has a 16 inch revolver with a stock and can shoot both 22LR and 22mag with a easy cylinder swap
Ron, the Heratge arms .22 lr, .22wm. Is made in a rifle
Do daads are tuff dudes, you need a m1a with a 20ty round mag and you want keep shooting until it's on the ground. And ball ammo is fine
If I remember correctly, Henry makes a revolver rifle that may have an interchangeable cylinder.
180 grain. Hornandy interlocks for deer. Nosler partitions for elk and bigger.
I’m thinking go mid to heavy weight for cup and core. Go light for copper. Go light to medium with bonded bullets.
What really works well, if a single shot is OK, is the Contender action. Top performance and switchable barrels to almost any caliber. Revolvers do not make great rifles because all body parts must stay behind the cylinder-barrel gap. Accuracy also is not top notch as the calibers for each cylinder typically use slightly different diameter bullets.
22lr/22mag? Check out CZ Rimfire bolt guns. Some models you can swap barrels.
I am currently using Sierra 165 grain game changers for my 06. Works good 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
🤠 Ron, since you like the 140 grain bullets out of your 270 Winchester, Badlands Bullets Makes a 140 grain Super Bulldozer-2 0.277 caliber bullet with a B.C. of 0.650 as well (not just Lost River Bullets)! I just thought you ought to know that! 🥳
The 140 grain .277 bullet is beautiful, but a bit long at (1.56") for a standard 1-in-10" twist 270. If you use the "shop" function on the site, Badlands says this bullet needs a 1-8" twist barrel. Badlands Bullets recommends its 128 grain for the standard-twist 270 and even that is pretty long.
Copper is less dense than lead, so for a rule of thumb, a copper bullet is roughly the same length as a lead-core bullet that is 25% heavier. In other words, this 140grain copper-base with aluminum-tip bullet is roughly about the same length as a 175 grain lead-core, aluminum- or polymer-tipped bullet. The 140gr Badlands .277 bullet, for example is longer than the Berger 170grain (1.49").
I would much rather use the 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullet (1.51") or the 155 grain Terminal Ascent bullet (1.51") myself! I'll take the extra weight over the higher B.C. bullet myself! But, my 270 Winchester shoots the 150 grain Nosler ABLR bullet so well, I can certainly live with that! 🤷♂️I just wanted to point out to Ron that their are other options! 🕵️♂️
Lost River Bullets makes a 136 grain 0.277 bullet (J-36) with a B.C. of 0.650 also! 😃
@@ronlowney4700 I'm glad it shoots the ABLR well. I'm not a long-range hunter, but I have seen a number of posts from people who couldn't get good accuracy from the ABLR's at range. Some claim that it is an issue inherent with the design and bonding process. Then again, these guys hunt at ridiculous distances.
I wonder if the Terminal Ascent avoids the issue by having the lead generally more centralized. The issue seems to be at the interface of the jacket and lead core.
😃 Yep! Bullet Design, Bullet Material Composition, Powder Used, The Process and Care Used To Make Them (QA/QC Procedures and Six Sigma Standards For Consistant Tolerances), and the Barrel that you are using all play a part! For my 270 Winchester, I have found nothing better than H4831SC powder! Bullets have improved alot in the last 20 years and I am hopeful that they will continue to do so? Maybey the Powder, Primers, and Brass Will Too? The Manufactures have made some great strides and I can't wait to see what the next 20 years will bring? 🤑
I’ve got a heritage revolver that’s got 22LR & 22mag cylinders I even have 9 shot.
I have a 30-06. In the beginning the best pattern was 8 to 10 inches @ 35 Yards. After several trips to the range with different ammo, I recognizing there was a problem. Researching accurizing I found Cryogenic, after all if it works to make race parts last longer and harder. I the found a local man that was cryo parts. To make a long story short this rifle has a pattern of 2in @ 100 yards with a very unique patina on the barrel and receiver.
Ckmi1, I'm not positive I know what you're saying, but if by "pattern" you mean the dispersion of bullets on target, there is something very wrong with your rifle. Virtually any factory rifle these days will shoot 5 consecutive bullets into a 2" circle at 100 yards. An 8" to 10-" group is nearly impossible to get at 100 yards, let alone 35 yards. Cryo treating wouldn't cure this. Am I misinterpreting your comment?
I meaning that the groups of shots you would have to have a 10 in plate to cover all the shots at 35 yards with the same ammo. As fare a not believing me, I know that are lot of stories on the internet I'm just telling what I did to correct the problem besides I don't want to help not cause more problems for you or your viewers.
It would be best if you went into detail about how the length of a bullet determines the required twist rate, not the weight. That would make another excellent episode, as most people need clarification. Showing how much longer a solid copper bullet is next to a lead core bullet would be eye-opening for many people.
Alot of confused people who don't understand why the heavy all copper rounds are inaccurate in their older/inherited rifles with slower twist rates.
@@shovelhead2155one "expert" recently went on another show and claimed heavier bullets do not kill animals as well because he was most likely keyholing and not realizing it. Longer bullets require more twist rate but people think it is based on the weight. Solid copper is longer for the same grain, and people do not realize it.
@@coreymoyers5771 Yep. Same thing with M855 out of M16a1 clones with 1/12 twist