DANGEROUS LONG RANGE LOAD?! 270 Winchester Hornady Precision Hunter 145gr ELD-X Ammo Test
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I didn't no I was the only one hunting with a 24 inch barrel 270. I must be a dinosaur with my 26 inch barreled 7mm mag and 257 weatherby. Glad you think getting maximum velocity is from the 70's. I believe Jack O'Connor, father of the 270 preferred the 24 inch barrel saying there was a decent gain in velocity as opposed to the 22inch. Over 3100 for 130 gr and 2950 - 3000fps for 150. Have read about 26 inch barreled 270's getting into magnum velocities. I'll continue to hunt with my outdated weatherby 53/4 pound 24 inch Krieger barreled weatherby . A joy to carry and hunt with. Don't complain about low velocities when you use barrels shorter than specified. Don't make it sound like everyone wants a 22inch barrel or less,we all want velocity to be close to stated numbers. Great cartridge like 270 winchester work best with higher velocities. Personal choices but all 270 users don't use 22 inch barrels.
Lol the 270 I have is 26"
@patrickrodriguez320 a fellow dinosaur hunting with an outdated long barrel. I do have a 70's rifle with a twenty inch barrel. A dinosaur that was ahead of his time. That rifle feels like a piece of it is missing. No weight out front with short barrels makes them a little harder to hold steady. If I'd had a choice in my 270 barrel length it would have been 26 inch!
@@davesolis5695 my grandma gave me the gun. An late 70s weatherby
@@davesolis5695my very modern Kimber Mountain Ascent is a 24" barrel 270 that's right around 5lbs bare. I'll take it in the field any day.
Love kimbers@@scotteger6271
The official SAAMI V&P (Velocity and Pressure) test barrel for the 270 is 24". This was done to standardize the test method and allow comparison between different types of ammo. That is why a most of the velocity info is for a 24" barrel.
You are right about the intended performance of the ELD-X ammo. It was designed to be an accurate (somewhat) controlled-expansion bullet. The Hornady podcast has talked about this. They went with cup and core construction for best accuracy and lowest cost.* The strategy they went with to get the bullet to work over a wide impact range is to allow a fair bit of the lead core to abrade away when the bullet hits at short distance. They allow the lead to break away to keep the mushroom from getting too large and reducing penetration.
*It is much more difficult to keep a normal, thin-jacket, bonded bullet accurate. The lead is melted and essentially soldered with flux to the jacket. This tends to create voids and blobs of impurities in the core that can throw off the balance of the bullet, leading to accuracy issues. The Federal Terminal Ascent bullet uses an interesting technique to minimize this. The lead core is smaller and moved more to the centerline of the bullet. This way, the imperfections introduced by the bonding process have less effect on balance and accuracy.
Totally
My Browning A-bolt Medallion 270 is 26" I am pretty sure.
Just bought a Browning x bolt western hunter in .270win, and it has a 24" barrel and a 1 in 7 1/2 " twist rate, can't wait to wring it out! Thanks for the testing.
Now different browning have 26 in and 1 in 7 1/2,check on Browning site,i test one it,s very accurate with a 160 gr. and less.
A factory rifle with 1:7.5" twist?!
I need one in a chassis
I was looking at this rifle also, I was curious on how the accuracy is on this rifle?
Cool! Wish I would have known that was available. I just purchased a 270 xbolt with 22" barrel. If I knew they had 24, I would have jumped all over it. I went out of my way a couple years ago to get a 24" 243. I want all the juice.
Good video. Last I knew though 24" 270 win were being made by Kimber, Christensen Arms, Bergara, & Weatherby in the Vanguard & some Mark V models. My Kimber 8400 spits out 140 accubonds at 3140 fps with RL26.
Sako s20 are all 24" too.
Also, all three variants of the Winchester Super Grade. He's correct the majority are 22". However, he over plays it a bit, in my opinion.
My mid 80’s REM. 700 SS in .270 has a 24” magnum contour barrel. It will cut sub MOA with most factory ammo.
I hand load this bullet for my Savage 270 and get 2960fps from it's 22" barrel with H4831sc. I have 1 # of RL 26 and initial tests are up to 3109fps with no pressure signs.
Ive shot game with the ELD-X in 6.5 creed and 300PRC. The 6.5 even at 2700FPS from a short barrel the 143gr completely disintegrates in every deer I've hit with it. You usually always find the empty copper cup on the opposite side of the hide and there are fragments of lead throughout your meat.
With the 300PRC the 220gr seems to hold together much better than the 6.5 - almost like a completely different product.
Buddy I'm a gun builder for long range hunting, I know everyone has an opinion but most PH's and almost anyone I know who is serious about were ballistic data is the most important are shooting 24-26 inch barrel guns due to the hunter or shooter to get the most range/velocity out of his or her rifle. With this being said I do understand that most budget or entry level guns are 20-22 inches but there are a lot and I do mean a lot of people who tote 24-26inch rifles to harvest game. Keep up the good info.
I agree with you on most 270 Winchester chambered rifles being 22" which is really too short of a barrel to get the benefit of the cartridge. Anything off of a 30-06 case should have at least a 24" barrel. Magnums should have 26" barrels to get the benefit of the powder in the case for higher velocity. I am sure a lot of it is due to people wanting lighter rifles and most people do not hunt long range. Some are even using even shorter barrels to put on suppressors. Really a waste when you are losing the performance of the cartridge. I purchase the longer barrels when I can get them. Very nice video. Nice leather work as well.
Spot on analysis. ELDX bullets were designed and work best at longer ranges, that's why the BC is so high on them compared to other bullets. At longer ranges the impact velocity is lower so weight retention is better, expansion is modest, and penetration is deeper. With short ranges you're going to get a mixed bag like you've demonstrated because the higher velocity increases expansion, reduces potential penetration, and increases the potential for bullets to fragment. At the end of the day it's still a cup and core bullet.
The low level of intelligence for Hunters is asking way too much to think like you do.
I have guided hunters since 1978 so what I have seen of hunters makes you at times want to know where they are at hunting on their own to go hunt in another state to be safe from such idiots.
Common what I see of Hunters especially east coast hunters often with loaded guns & safety's off walking pointing the gun at the person in the lead - attempting to put their lips over the muzzle of a rifle that is loaded - safety off to blow dirt out of the barrel after falling - bored so taking a stick to fiddle in the rifle barrel as the rifle is loaded and safety off --- Bring a deer gun 30-06 and deer ammo Federal ammo in 150 grain 30-06 for brown bear hunting and allot more stupid ignorance.
I had a client go take a crap then as he bent down to poop he used his rifle barrel as a steady then when he went to stand up he lifted the rifle then the trigger was snagged & pulled on my a twig and sure thing the safety was off setting off the rifle and putting a bullet through his clothing in the coats shoulder, it scare the crap out of the client so bad he started yelling I'm shot - I'M shot ! as I came to look thankfully the bullet just went through clothing .
The cartoon Elmer Fud has more smarts than some of the clients I've guided.
To prove I am a guide my Alaska photos are on my Instagram account @ dwayneb1959.
Shoot high BC bonded bullets at reasonable ranges. No issues.
@@joshsinglefooter Those bonded bullets are only good in rifles with energy levels not over a 30-06 because I have a sack of copper fragments from Nosler Accubonds fired from 300 magnums - 338 magnums 375 magnums because in rifles like these these bullets are lead bombs.
My clients in Alaska after seeing the mess these bonded bullets made they said for ever now we are using what you use the Barns TSX bullets
@lurebenson7722
2000 feet per second/ 1900 ft/lbs of energy.
Thats the number. Regardless of what yardage a given caliber.
If you can only do that at 175yds with a 6.5 creedmoor OK.
250yds with a .270win OK
600yds with a 28 nosler OK!!
Get you weight up!!!
And learn to hunt close!!!
Good stuff. Tried a few "heavy" loads out of my Dad's 270 win for an upcoming elk hunt and these grouped the best by far. 22" Tikka barrel also at 2825 fps.
I reload eldx 145g for my browning ab3 .270 and the good thing about it is i can reach 2950 - 3000 fps easily out of a 22" barrel, here is the one i had the best results:
ELD-X 145g
GP: H4831sc (57gr)
C.o.L: 3.327
Until now is the best ammo i've shot in my .270 win
I reload the same for my Savage Axis II I am getting 2969fps
GP: 58.6gr H4831sc
CoL: 3.440"
24" is a standardized test length.(iso 9000). Magn cartridge barrels are 25 to 28 inches. I think it makes an average for all long rifle barrel lengths.
Which is the problem, the “standardized test length” is not what is on the overwhelming majority of production rifles. It’s like an automaker giving you the horsepower figure for their V8 but your car has the V6. Lest we drinketh more copium…
I agree, but I am using experience from other manufacturing processes to explain why. I think it should be 22 also.
I use the precision hunter with my 270. I love it. With higher BC it has almost same POI as 130gr out to ( and beyond) 400yds with more energy on target. If found it’s accurate and kills game well in my experience
I only bought the ELD-X one time for my 6.5 PRC when it was brand new and Hornady was the only ammunition available. Every bullet went in to the dirt pile at my range. I would never take it hunting, the stuff is too fragile for me. I am glad there is Barnes TTSX ammo for the 6.5 PRC now, even the Federal Fusion is great too.
I love the Barnes 127 LRX in my 6.5 PRC!
ELD-X is more fragile than SST's. At least the SST has the Interlock ring back where it works.
Same here. I will never touch a ELD-X or SST bullet again. Had a 165 grain SST (30-06, Muzzle velocity of 2700fps) completely blow up on a Blesbuck (White tail sized buck) at 481 yards. Yes, it completely disintegrated at 481 yards on a behind the shoulder shot. Had to throw away about a third of the meat. Great for varmint hunting, but not if you actually want to eat the meat.
@charlconradie4935 That is what I don't get about some people. I will see them bragging about the damage the eld-x does and that isn't what I want. Every animal I ever see shot by them has an enormous amount of bloodshot meat from the bullet exploding. I like a clean pass through without any extra drama.
@@Dale37 Exactly!
Most all 270 chambered rifles i have seen recently are all 24" barrels. 24" is still the standard length and always has been. I have shot the ELD-X in several different calibers and nearly always have had bullet failures at ranges under 150 yds. That bullet IS designed for longer ranges. Its a flip of the coin at shorter ranges. I have settled on the Federal Fusion for my 270, it has never failed even when passing thru bone on both sides and it shoots sub moa in my vanguard.
Winchester has a few model 70s that have 24” barrels.
Keep doing exactly what you are doing. Honest information for regular hunters. I particularly liked the little 22”-24” rant. The ammo manufacturers should get with the program,no pun intended.
You may want to look at the barrel length offered by factories on 270’s one more time. I did have a 1977 Rem 700 BDL in 270 Win with a 22” barrel, but manufacturers seem to be realizing their error, especially since everyone is pushing “long range” these days. I have a late 1990’s controlled feed Supergrade Winchester and a 2016 Remington 700C in 270 Win both with 24” factory barrels. I haven’t checked Ruger or Savage lately, but the Brownings I looked at when I purchased my 700C all had 24” barrels. Even my Rem 700C in 7mm08 came with a factory 24” barrel. Why handicap a great cartridge by cheating out of 2” of barrel length. FWIW, I’ve seen 22” 25-06’s which really makes no sense. That’s a cartridge that makes good use of a a 26” barrel.
great test, this load looks really good, I'm guessing that a lot of guys out west use 24" barrels because of the extended range. I'm in the market for a .270win and am looking real hard at the 24" barrel as i may go out west to hunt(I'm from the north east) and i don't see 2" extra barrel length as a hand cap.
the .270win really should, as also the 25-06 have a 24" barrel to take advantage of its velocity potential, just my opinion, have a great one!
Are you still looking to buy a 270 Win ? How about a Weatherby Vanguard, only 40-50 rounds through it. 24 in barrel. This one is the weather guard with Cerakote instead of blued.
Theres very few cartridges as good looking as a .270 win. IT JUST LOOKS RIGHT!
Good call! Let people know when ammo is not for hunting but target shooting!
I want a 26” barrel 270win.
Makes for a cheaper, low recoil, almost a 7mm rem mag.
This ammo seems to be a over 200-450 yard bullet. Otherwise why would you need an high accuracy round.
Blows me away how many people dont understand how cartridges and bullets work. Bullets are designed for specific targets and impact velocities. Use a cartridge and bullet for your use case. Dont put a Berger in a 300 win mag and shoot a whitetail at 50 yards and complain about it's performance. SMH
Sometimes wonder if they accidentally get the ELD-M mixed in with the Hprecision ELD-X
Thank God, specs are as read for there are thousands of us that own that great old rifle with its long barrel!!! Why change just because some young guy can't carry that added 2 or 4 inches!!!!
I have used ELDX In 300 win mag to drop bull elk at 750 yards without problem and bull moose at 300 yards with the same load from the same rifle.
I suspect your 6.5 mm Creedmoor load was eld match bullets in elderly box due to factory error. Both bullets look the same loaded
I won two auctions online for a total of 200 rounds of this ammo. Got it to my door for $24.40/box plus tax and shipping. Took the receipt to a big box store in Wisconsin and Ohio and they matched the price but I save the shipping expense so ended up with another 200 rounds (270, 145 ELDX). I'll see how it does next month if I get a shot on a deer.
Just expect to lose the whole rib cage from blood shot and blasted meat so the coyotes can have a feast!
@@lurebenson7722 ok
I think you are headed in the right direction with your analysis. There are a couple more things to consider. When it comes to your measured velocity compared to the box velocity consider “to what degree of precision is your $150 chronograph capable of measuring?” Is the system capable of measuring .5%, 1%, 5%, 10% margin of error? Line up 10 identical chronographs in a row and they will all spit out a different velocity for the same shot. If one measures 2800fps and the other measures the same shot at 2925fps, which one is correct? Are they more precise than the $100,000+ doppler radar that ammunition manufacturers use that are capable of measuring data points 10 thousand times per second for thousands of yards?
The other thing to consider when it comes to collecting data scientifically is the controlling of variables. In the case here the variable Hornady is controlling is barrel length. Setting barrel length at a constant 24” for all calibers allows you to make more accurate comparisons across those calibers, without the variability in velocity caused by different barrel lengths.
It's funny my Remington 700 in 270 has a 24 inch barrel. I bought it in the 2000s as well.
Didn’t say they didn’t/don’t make them.
For the .270 win. I only use the Barnes tsx 130 grain with a top end load of H-4350 or imr4350. It is an all copper, lead free bullet. The Arizona Game & Fish has asked hunters to use lead free if possible. I started using them 14 years ago and in 14 years have harvested 13 deer and 4 elk. They are the most accurate bullet my model 700’s have ever used. Most have been single shots dead right there. Elk will go a few steps- like 5-10 steps.
When Hornady stopped making the gmx, I stopped using Hornady altogether. Tried the CX 5 bullet groups at 100 yards best was 4.5 inches. Friends tried CX and El bullet. Same crap, El bullets all had jacket separation. Don't know who started running Hornady around the beginning of COVID but they need to get rid of them.
Impressive looking load here. Bullet drop at 500 yards at 37 inches is wicked good!
The Best bullet ever designed was the MRX by Barns when they were discontinued I bought all I could find in 30 caliber 165-180 gr and in the 338 caliber 210-250 gr being 74 years old and reloading since I was 14 years old with the Lee hand loader and purchased the original Dillon progressive 550 and loaded 45 ACP , 45 Long Colt. 38 special 357 , 44 Special/ 44 Mag . My youngest son was in 5th grade at that time and quickly learned how to use the Dillion
I've had nothing but good luck and the exact opposite experience we all shoot the eldx bullet different calibers 7rm 270 and 6.5 never lost an animal with these bullets and have had great success at further distances it does make a mess when u shoot somthing at closer ranges 100 yards or less but not much more then and other quality bullet sst accubonds e- tip or cheap lead ammo would choose any of these over copper
I do wonder at the results you get with different batches of bullets, quality control varies a lot at Hornady as far as I can see, but, lots of people are happy with their product, so be it. Bullet kills the critter, it did what it was supposed to do. But nothing is really totally predictable once it hits the hide, every spec for the bullet goes right out the window, and really doesn't mean a whole lot at that point.
Spot on perspective of velocity advertising. Good results overall. Thank you.
Regarding the exploding 6.5 Creedmoor bullets. It is indeed possible that you just got a bad batch of bullets. On the other hand, the Permagel-type medium sometimes does weird things to bullets, especially at rifle velocities. I have seen a number of tests go haywire, but don't know precisely what went wrong. Some blow up and others pencil through.
Unfortunately, regular ballistics gel is a real pain and expense! I recently watched some Lehigh Bullets videos recently and they decided to not use synthetic gel during bullet development. They use water tanks for development work and regular calibrated ballistics gel for final determination.
Love the videos. I have been using these to check out rounds for 270 in the future once my current stock runs out. Would love to see some Hornady SST in the different weights out of the 270. Great and informational content and my shot shell cuff is still running strong on my 879
Glad to be of service! That’s awesome to hear about your Shotshell Cuff!!
It has always been touted as a “Long Range” hunting bullet… The magic required to actually expand down to 1600 fps for example but still have controlled expansion inside 100 is close to magic.. I’m don’t think it’s been licked yet.. yes. Barnes. But Barnes isn’t rocking super high BC’s either.. tough gig.
And the Barnes isnt always expanding at long ranges either. Watched a friend shoot a big bull elk in the shoulder 3 times at 350 yards, and leave 3 tiny little .270cal exit wounds. Officially they should have had enough velocity, but as these tests are showing, between the exaggerated velocities, short barrels, and whatever other real world variables... it doesnt always work. The Partition was probably the best compromise.
This type of bullet will perform well at the lower velocities. All of my 270s have 24" barrels. All Tikkas or customs
What tikka 270 comes with 24”. I have the original t3 stainless 270 left hand but I believe it’s 22.4” or whatever tikka states
@@acort10 Well, perhaps I'm wrong. I thought they were 24. Stand by I'll measure....
You are correct. My 270s have 22.4 but my 300WM is just over 24"
Well Guy's I've loaded My 270 Winchester Weatherby Vanguard 24 inch barrel pushing the 145eldx Bullets to 3177 feet per second at a .315 Sub MOA. That's almost 2 grains under max load. I'm building a 270 Fast twist 27 inch Barrel now. So all you naysayers watch and learn. I've been reloading and load developing as well as Long Range shooting for over 50+ years. I know what works and what doesn't. The 270 can and does beat that 6.5 Creedmore Fad cartridge handsdown. The 270 needs the longer Barrel. Just like the 7mm Rem mag and 300 Win Mag. In these short Barrel Rifles you're just waisting a lot of powder.
Bs
It’s spelled Creedmoor by the way. It’s not a fad cartridge by any means. It’s a competition cartridge that has made its way into hunting. The .270 will never beat the creed in competition ever. Under 200 yards you can say that it beats it but it doesn’t. Under 200 yards nothing beats anything. You can kill pretty much anything in North America with either cartridge with a good bullet. Ballistics don’t lie, people just make shit up.
BS. I've beaten that Creedmoor several times. And from a ballistics standpoint I've proven it can be beat. Just last week I got over 3200 feet per second out of those same 145 eldx bullets with .321 sub moa group. The most you can get is about 2850. Plug that into your ballistics calculator. Every Bullet manufacturer will tell you that a bullets BC will change in velocity. When you're grown up enough and done this for over 50+ years then you can speak with authority. All you're doing now is blowing smoke
@@dennisowen3717 give me one example of a .270 win beating a 6.5 creed in a prs competition
@@dennisowen3717 the .270 win will never beat the 6.5 creed in shooting over 600 yards. Not going to happen, pack it up and go home now.
If you are a serious hunter, you should know the required effective barrel length for the caliber you want to use and buy or build accordingly.
My theory on the inconsistent bullet expansion between calibers is the overall girth between them. The thinner bullet doesn’t have as much lead 🤷🏻♂️
When buying the ammo, note the barrel length. That way you won’t be disappointed with the results you get. I have found Hornady ammo to be spot on regarding velocity when using the same barrel length as the test barrel.
They seem to be around 100 fps off in most stuff I try. But again, not always barrel length they used.
I'm getting 3035 on average in my Remington 700 .270, 24 inch barrel shooting barnes 130 grain
wishing I cold attach the 200m targets from my 270, and 145 ELDX rounds. Mighty fine. The issue, however, that I have with ELD-X bullets is what happens when a bullet meets the meat. I have gone back to boat tail 140 grain Sierras. Nothing left to doubt. The Hornaday bullets did not hold together , the deer was kicking when I got there. With Sierra SBT's, nope. Not scientific study but there it was. Same went for my 260 Remington, surgical accuracy with Hornadys but better DRT with Sierra cup and cores.
I had the same experience with the bullets exploding on 2 deer at approximate 100 yards. I don’t use them for my reloading anymore.
ELD-X, I’ve saw numerous close range failures out of 6.5 CM on our smaller deer here in SC. A swap to a bonded controlled expansion is on the money here for the closer shooting we normally encounter.
I’m guessing the smaller diameter of 6.5 is where the problem lies. While I’ve killed hundred or more with a .270 and only ever had one get away I have came to the conclusion 7 mm and up yields the best bullet performance for my hunting.
If I were to hunt with my 6.5 CM ever again it’ll definitely not be looking at shots past 400 yards and will for sure be an all copper or bonded bullet. A Swift A Frame would be my first choice if I could ever find any.
When you say failure did the deer not die? I ask because my son shot his first buck this year with 6.5 eldx. Buck only went 60 yards. Almost zero blood but passed thru and broke off leg. Tiny entry hole and exit. It worked but the shot was 250 yards. So wonder now on shorter range shots
@@mikemellon80 one was lost. Luckily the others were found. But like I told my friends, you better try a different projectile before a really big deer breaks your heart.
@@xforce708 it was between federal terminal ascent, which is basically the old Trophy bonded tip, and precision hunter. i chose hornady. I use trophy bonded tip in .308 and love it. looks like I'll switch the 6.5 to terminal ascent
If you're looking for a 270 that's loaded to what the box says, the plain old winchester power points is what you want.
I think the ELDX bullets shine in smaller cartridges like 6.5CM, 708, and 308 particularly in a rifle you wish to use for high volume training at the range and also for hunting deer. They are about half the cost of premium hunting bullets like Barnes LRX and Nosler ABLR… so they are great for volume target work. Accurate, high BC. Kill smaller thin skinned game like deer just fine with double lung shot placement. Would I use ELDX in a magnum cartridge for moose and elk… absolutely not!!!!
They have their place. They do what they do… and for certain applications they do it well.
Puzzling that the 6.5’s were so frangible at lower velocity… 🧐I wonder if they are using thicker jackets in the .277 bullets?? This can be measured. Melt out the lead with a torch then put calipers on the jacket.
Thank,s for your video,the bullets hornady is good for the varmints except interlock,interbond and cx,other bullets explode at impact.
great review
...and solid point re barrel length vs velocity reported by manufacturers.
We found out the hard way that at 80-120 yards 6.5 cm eldx precision hunter the deer hit as perfect lung shot and pass thru ran a LONG WAY with little to no blood trail. Had to bring dogs out several times just to find deer in Texas brush country. When we switched bullets to Winchester supreme silver ballistic tips and nosler accubonds the problem went away. Eldx does well at 300-500 yards it’s 6.5 cm but not inside 150 yards based on our experience
My 308 chunks a 150 grain handloaded Sierra 150 grain that same velocity! The reason why factory is slow is because the manufacturer does NOT KNOW WHAT KIND OF RIFLES THEIR PRODUCT WILL BE FIRED THRU. My reloading manuals say to use the medium loads listed for pumps, lever, and semi automatic rifles, and use small base dies. That's the bottom line.
Totally agree with velocity data on boxes thanks for highlighting that
Bergara , all the new remington rifles including the adl, most of the weatherby vanguard rifles all have 24" barrles. 24 is more common then you think. North Eastern United States I've seen most 22" many 270's have 24" barrels. I live in Pennsylvania and shoot across farm fields shots out to and beyond 400yds. This year I took 2 big doe at just over 400yds with that 130gr power shok. I decided on it from watching your review and seeing the velocities. It completely passed through and hammered them. Excellent performance! That's with a weatherby vanguard high country 270win 24". Those bullets are sreaming out of it.
My Weatherby 270 is 24”. If you really want to get performance out of overbore cartridges like the 270, 25-06, etc, you really need a 24”+ barrel. No, they are not really magnums but they need barrel like a magnum
Winchester model 70 Supergrade has 24” barrels
Inside 400yds b.c. doesn't amount to the hype it's given. And my mod70 shoots 1/2" 3 shot groups with 165gr Federal Fusion in 308win. I'm an experienced shooter, but i won't shoot at game at extreme range. But hey, that's just me & Fusions, Power Shok, or PowerPoints suit me just fine. Thanks great job Lee.
Shooting a 308 to 400 yards and getting 1/2 3 shot groups?
Tell us all a new wild story's just after you finished a new video war game.
Biggest liars are CZcams Groupie Parrot mouth talkers and one thing they lie most about is range.
If I you put you on a city block on a long strait street then asked you to show me 400 yard you would point to the end of 2 city blocks.
I live on the western side of the Pacific Northwest with massive canyon we hunt Roosevelt Elk and Black tail deer.
Yardages are always long and no one is about to use small deer guns like a 308 to shoot 400 yards at game.
I also use Leupold range finder in workings of my Leupold scopes knobs set for ranges.
To shoot 1/2 groups at 400 yards it would be a Highly precision rifle and handloaded ammo.
I own very precision custom rifles with chamberings of 7mm Rem mag and 300 Wby mag so even on the best days shooting the best reloads it isn't all the easy to shoot and hit targets at 400 and longer ranges.
I even set target bench tables to shoot over the canyons and on best of days it isn't all they easy.
ELDX bullets are PC bullet for a lot of shooters. I work in a gun store and hear shooters brag about shooting ELDX bullets. They are accurate but that don’t make a good hunting bullet. Working in a gun store since the 1970’s the best “cup and lead core” bullet that is affordable is the Speer hot core or a simple Remington core lokt bullet. Federal Fusion bullets are good, but I believe they use a Speer bullets. IMO
Will you test the Winchester Deer Season XP in .270? I’ve used it for years and would love to see how it stacks up against all the other .270 cartridges you’ve tested. Thanks for doing these videos! Excellent work.
I use the 150 grain in 7mm 08 and get pass throughs on muleys regularly actually out of 5 non stayed in even quartering and deer dropped quickly dead
Great video! Time to buy 5 boxes of the 145's!
Tikka uses 24" bbls on nearly all of their t3x rifles. I've got a Tikka ctr 24" 6.5 creedmoor. Shoots sub moa with every brand, weight that I've tried. My go to is the Hornady superformance 129sst. It holds together better than the eldx hunter. Hornady uses a24" test bbl in all short action non magnum rifle ammo and with the non magnum long action calibers. A plain t3x is only $200 more than the Ruger American and you get more consistent accuracy.
Your statement is not entirely correct. Tikka uses 22.4” barrels on most of their models, those being the standard, non-magnum cartridges…except for 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5 PRC, those have a 24.3” barrel like the magnum chamberings. So things like 22-250, 223, 243, 270, 7mm08, 308 and 30-06 are all 22.4” barrels…6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, 270 WSM, 300 WSM and 300 Win Mag have 24.3” barrels. These would be on models like the standard T3x lite, lite stainless and superlite…not things like the CTR.
I mostly agree with the rest…I think it greatly depends on where you’re shopping for Ruger Americans, as well as where you’re shopping for Tikkas, but to me personally I don’t care how much more expensive the Tikka is, at the end of the day it’s a superior rifle in every way. The Ruger Americans of 10 years ago are much better made and more accurate than the junk they’re cranking out now…their QC has really dropped in the last few years.
My 270 tikka is 22"
Calculating drop with the box information 😂.
I'm just now running across this video. Nice performance. I took a deer last season with the 6.5 Creedmoor eldx 143 grain and I had a complete pass through. Deer made it 10 yards. The exit wound basically deleted a 2.5" hole. No skin, no meat, no ribs. Just a huge hole. I also shoot the eldx with my 308 and have never had that kind of frangible explosion in that caliber either on deer or hogs. Maybe some eldm match bullets accidentally got put in the presses for ELDX and got shipped out in the wrong boxes?
I’ve read and heard nothing but wildly differing accounts of on-game performance from ELDX across calibers and years of production. It’s not a case of accidentally mismatched bullets. At this point I’ve evaluated them in several calibers and they are the second most inconsistent performer, right after Winchester Deer Season XP Extreme Point bullets, which run the gamut from completely exploding to not expanding at all.
I've had several bullets blow up on deer that were ELDX bullets. A 338WM about 50 yards at a buck I had to shoot 3 times the bullets kept blowing up on the outside. A 300WM at over 100 yards at a big buck same thing took 2 shots. Its a great target load but it sometimes works sometimes doesn't on game.
Hornady bullets with the exception of CX is highly frangible junk!!!!! You nailed it !!!! Many animals are wounded due to a lack of penetration!!!!
The plain old interlock is a pretty good bullet.
@@NCWoodlandRoamer I've had to finish off Moose and Brown bears because the client used Hornaday bullets that every time the bullets exploded on hitting the animals.
@@Lure-Benson Yes I definitely would not bring Hornady bullets if I had the opportunity to hunt moose or bear. I should have said that the interlock bullet is good on deer size game.
@@NCWoodlandRoamer Why even waste the meat that is always wrecked from lead core bullets.
before me and family members used copper expanding bullets, we just seemed it was normal that we would lose the full rib cage of a Roosevelt Elk and leave it for the coyote when none of it was salvageable and that was the same for black tail deer we killed.
We used 7 mm Rem mags - 300 win mag - 300 Wby mag with lead core bullets that blasted 5 to 8 inch hole in the animals.
Thanks for the confirmation on the interlock@@NCWoodlandRoamer
Hey guy. If you're the least not into this you understand the velocity between barrel length going in. I have 270win, 7mm-08, and 30-06 all with 24 inch barrels.
That’s outstanding, the overwhelming majority of non-magnum caliber bolt action rifles manufactured over the last 40 years have had 22 inch barrels. The best selling hunting rifle over the past 12 years has a 22 inch barrel. An extra 2 inches isn’t going to make up the difference between true velocity and box spec the majority of the time.
Great review for giving hunters some understanding of terminal performance of the ELDx at close range.
Its like some shooters just jump on the hype train and dont even bother to understand the bullets they are shooting. This next part is taken directly from Hornady's web page.
"With high velocity 0-400 yard impact, the bullet continually expands throughout its penetration path. The thick shank of the jacket and high InterLock® ring keep the core and jacket together providing 50-60% weight retention."
Now forget their marketing words, admitting to a 50% weight retention at high velocities and close ranges means your bullet is likely to suffer some failures in these scenarios. You arent using it for what its designed for.
Now i don't give a damn about Hornady or the ELDx bullets, im a bonded bullet guy, but shooters should at least understand and use them for what they are designed for.
Two other data points I keep in my evaluations for loads are Point Blank Range and the Energy Delivered at that range.
Great honest video, if been having the same issues with the precision hunter ammo in multiple calibers. Velocity also is way off in all of them. Something needs to be done about this as were all being mislead.
Absolutely, glad to be of service
Try a federal premium or handload with a Sierra gameking or something else notoriously soft. I know Sierra uses varying core hardness and jacket thicknesses for different weights and calibers. Hornady may also
I have 4 270's, 3 are 24" barrels. One MOD 70 standard and one MOD 70 Featherweight and 2 customs with 24" barrels. Why the heck you would ever use a 30-06 based cartridge with less than a 24" barrel is beyond me. I did take one whitetail in S AZ at 350myards with the 270 ELD-X ammo and the bullet entered onside shoulder and exited far side back ribs. Deer went down and never got up, bullet was through and through.
Lol, my favorite long action rifles have 20" barrels, and I can think of some pretty notable hunters that used even shorter. Mainly, I just choose the rifle that suits my style of hunting, and beyond stupid extremes I dont really care what they are chambered in. However, if the rifle's got a long action either way (Tikka etc..) IMO chambering it in a short action cartridge is gross and wrong, regardless of BBL length.
Why? Because I get 3010 fps with 150 grain Nosler Partitions out of my Ruger .270 with its 22 inch barrel.
Wow that's a fast barrel. 100fps faster than book loads out of 24" barrels. Hope your luck with accuracy is better than mine, never had an accurate Ruger or partition load. @@robguidici8778
Pretty much everyone I know hunts with at least a 24” barrel. Many run a 26” barrel. 22s and under are definitely the minority where I’m at.
Just found your channel. Excellent work, useful info. As you build your database of test loads it would be very useful to see how each load stacks up caliber by caliber. A tale of the tape kind of spreadsheet comparison. Average velocity, penetration, weight retention and expansion % load by load would do it. Great channel!
I use 175gr eldx for my 7mm for long range elk. The bullet is ment for deep penetration at long range. Shooting at 100 to 200 is not what the bullet was ment for.
I shot these for couple years in 3006 they shot great I killed lots of bucks with them however I almost never got a pass thru. I recovered most bullets and they were mushroomed great I just like pass thru
That's why I went back to good old corlokt . Only tried eldx cause that was all I could find during the ammo shortage
Hey good work please keep doing these test. We enjoy them.
My brother in law and I had different hornadys grenade at 40 yards on a whitetail. I know thats close for a rifle but Im going bonded. I shot 150 grain american whitetail. And he shot 300 win mag precusion hunter in 200 grain.
Most people dont generally shoot over a hundred yards.but tha ammo your shooting does work.because i use them ..with no problem..and my main ammo is yhe deadleast mushroom in the woods..and iam sure you know what that is..
Not a bullet expert but I have grown to enjoy Barnes ttsx
Excellent information. I like using the ELD Match. Sweet leather.
The ammo has worked fantastically for both my wife and I . I shoot a 6.5 CM and she shoots a 7mm-08 . Could it be possible you had a bad batch ?
Possible, yes, likely, not remotely. There are hundreds of comments on my videos alone confirming similar experiences across calibers.
Rifle makers and ammo makers are strangling performance. Load to full pressure and give the buyer a barrel length option; carbine, or rifle. Imagine a 26" .270 and what that would deliver with good ammo.
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather I hate to hear you had rotten luck with them. So far, I have no reason to complain on my end . I do enjoy the videos
Your theory on velocity difference I believe is wrong. Your chronometer and the lighting at test can vary quite a bit from another chronometer in a controlled setting. This can easily cause a 150 fps difference and more.
I don't know about the 22" barrel thing??? I have purchased two .270 win. rifles, a Weatherby and a savage both with 24" barrels and an 30-06 in howa 1500 with 24' barrel. These rifles were all new manufacture and purchased within the last five years. I have shorter barrel rifles also but they are all 18"-20" I am not opposed to a 22" barrel, I just don't own any. I have about 25-30 calibers in my stable from .22lr to .375 rum. My super mags have 26" barrels. Thanks for your videos.
Another great video, thanks
Glad to be of service!
everyone has what they like and do not like to shoot i have shot a lot of hornady shells but it was just to get brass to reload when it was the only way to get it at the time i have never had a gun that shot the hornady ammo good the only bullet i load any more for all my guns is hammer bullets but to each their own if it shoots for you and does the job you want go for it
Got sako 75 in 270 run this ammo and has been great on deer and chronographed at 2965fps
I believe my weatherby vanguard 2is 24in lol
I have a winchester 70 1950 in 270, which I hunt with .saying that they probably should show data for both 24 and 22 inch. Because many rifle companies still make 24 inch. As well as 22 . Great show
Disagree on the velocity perspective. The winchester model seventy is still using a twenty four inch barrel. You have a feather weight model.
I steer clear of any Hornady Product for a few reason's ...
Some love it .
My 270 in Tikka 150 gr isn't penetrating on buffalo or big old bulls . I've been trying to find a FMJ ammo for my 270 but it doesn't exist..😢 yet I know if it did, I'd only have 270s in my safe.
I have not found any either.
I just returned with my 270. It is in the back of my car. I got a new scope but could not get it installed as the Talley base did not match with rings. Ordered Talley rings.
Love your videos, you get right to the point with no bull^&t and call it like it is. I've tried ELDX bullets and had soso results as far as accuracy so ive never hunted with them. Hopefully the box you had with the "exploaded" bullets was just a bad batch but that would be very discouraging and unfair to the game hunted. Thanks again for good informative videos
All of Hornaday bullets with exception of the GMX and CX bullets are target bullets which Hornaday lies about calling the bullets hunting bullets.
Just look at the other comments showing these bullets blow up when used to shoot game.
My son and I both shoot 270 win 22”and shot this round at a moose at 350 plus yards. Excellent results. Mushroomed perfectly. Then he took a large mule buck at 200yards and bullet completely came apart! Wasn’t impressed!
@@markjardine6025 Do you understand Moose aren't all the same?
You should educate yourself to how many species of Moose there are and the size differences between the species of Moose.
As for using cheap crap Hornaday lead core bullets it always shows which hunters are inexperienced Green horns the kinds of hunters that make sound shots into the brush or dislodge dirt in a rifle load round in the barrel chamber with safety off by putting their lips over the rifle muzzle then try to blow the dirt down the barrel or dilly dally around looking down a loaded rifle barrel poking a stick in the muzzle or walks with a loaded rifle and safety off pointing at the person walking ahead of them- I've seen most all of this by Green horn hunters who wait to buy the cheapest junk to save a penny in value. / The worst idiot Green horn hunters would come to do their Brown bear guided hunt with a Deer gun 30-06 and the worst cheap Federal 150 grain ammo like they are going white tail deer hunting - they paid $25.000 for the guided hunt then bring total junk and deer guns !
My new CVA Cascade 270 has a 24" barrel.
I reload hornady 150 grain sst at around 2937 fps they are impressive for 270