China Tools Ep. 25 Forstner bit set and Clamping Squares
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- In-depth reviews of China woodworking tools Ep. 25
Forstner bit set and multiple clampings squares.
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and free download plans for my workbench and other projects.
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In this video:
Clamping square with small clamps aluminum red
www.banggood.com/custlink/D3m...
Clamping Square Yellow
www.banggood.com/custlink/3KG...
Forstner bit set
www.banggood.com/custlink/m33...
Clamping Square red aluminum
www.banggood.com/custlink/vKm...
Clamping Square red plastic
www.banggood.com/custlink/GmG...
Small clamps
www.banggood.com/custlink/D3m...
High End router fence
www.banggood.com/custlink/3mG...
High End router lift
www.banggood.com/custlink/D3G...
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My Personal Banggood favorites all time!
1. Kerfmaker
www.banggood.com/custlink/vDD...
2. Drill guide cabinet jig
www.banggood.com/custlink/KDD...
3. T-ruler
www.banggood.com/custlink/3GG...
4. Precision square
www.banggood.com/custlink/DKv...
Miter square
www.banggood.com/custlink/GmG...
5. Miter square brass
www.banggood.com/custlink/vmG...
6. Height gauge
www.banggood.com/custlink/KGG...
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The material used for my workbench and this platform is Black MDF:
Black MDF, something similar to Valchromat. I get it from here: (Netherlands)
www.af.nl/voorraad/plaat/mdf-...
Black MDF.
Here is a list of viewer's suggestions where you can buy Black MDF or Valchromat or Forescolor.
USA
www.plywoodcompany.com/MainSi...
trinityinnovations.net
packardforestproducts.com
plywoodcompany.com
UK
www.idsurfaces.co.uk/decorati...
www.atlantictimber.co.uk/valc...
Germany
www.hornbach.de/shop/MDF-Plat...
Belgie
www.houtshop.be/nl/plaatmater...
Australia
timberwood.com.au/
NSW Australia, Laminex has the black MFD
A few products from this review were sent to me by Banggood for testing.
This does not mean that I do get all my products. I review also a lot of products I bought myself.
I started these reviews because from my experience not every tool from China was worth buying. So I wanted to make in-depth reviews to show you which products you should consider and which product you better leave alone. The fact that Banggood sent me products occasionally does not change the way I make my reviews. I still give in-depth reviews and give you my honest opinion!
On this, you can count on!
I have a good experience with Banggood.com and they have a lot of woodworking tools nicely organized on their site.
My name is Dennis and I am from Hooked on Wood.
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Products I use in my workshop
Table saw with dust system:
Harvey HW110GL Europe edition with sliding table
Harvey / Axminster trade S-12 overhead blade guard
Dust extraction: HBM 200
Oneida Super dust deputy 6”
Workbench:
Incra master-R-router lift
AEG 1400w router
Incra 25" SL positioner with Wonder Fence
Drill press: Jet JDP 15B
Miter saw: Festool Kapex 60
Different links to products I use
Clamps:
Axminster trade hold down clamps
Piher Rail guide clamps
Micro Jig dovetail clamps
Bessey parallel clamps
Axminster trade parallel clamps
Push blocks
Micro Jig Gripper
Incra Push block
Thank you for viewing.
Best regards,
Dennis
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Thank you , Dennis. ANOTHER very helpful video. Thank you for posting.
Fantastic channel, Dennis, I never miss an episode! I've bought several things based on your 'scoring cards' and I've never been disappointed. Top quality content, thank you!
As always, informative and honest. Can’t wait for t track video and shop organization
Yeah! Looking forward to the next China tool video
A fan for sure.... I like the efforts you put into this review it shows you are looking out for us more that just helping us find 'cheap deals'... Thanks again!
Because of you I've almost bought all the products of HONGDUI !!! Great videos. Thank you !
I think HONGDUI is great. Well worth the money.
@@HookedonWood yes indeed I am not disappointed at all. Thanks to your reviews !!
Excellent info and testing as usual Dennis; thank you.
Thanks again Dennis i love your videos
Still an awesome job that you do here! Thanks a lot!
Fantastic reviews, Dennis! Thanks a LOT! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great things are coming :) I really enjoy your videos Dennis.
Another super useful review video! Thank you so much Dennis
Can’t wait for the t-track review!
Great episode Dennis!
My next workshop project is a router table so very interested in the review of the router fence. Looking forward to it.
Another great review 👍 Thanks again!
Nice production and good choice of music. Makes me keep spending money on new tools!
well done! looking forward to the router lift review. cheers!
Great video I’m so looking forward to seeing your video on the router lift and fence capergal
Hello Denis mate.. I'm in Ireland watching ur brilliant episodes of Hooked on Wood. I'm starting out on my journey with woodworking and ur videos are awesome pal.. Keep up the great work. It's always very informative..
Bosch forstner bits are amazing value for money.
Dennis, I just discovered your channel. Very interesting and thorough reviews.
Another great Video Dennis
thx for these infos, greets from Bavaria
Nice one again dennis!
Woah, this is awesome! I love this channel, I like the way you review stuff. Thanks for being honest..🙏
Woahhhhhh I can’t wait for your videos about the tracks and fence and router lift!!! Holding off building a router table until you can shine some light on the matter. As you said I’m just overwhelmed with choice! This video is very informative as usual too of course :)
Totally agree.
Great show Dennis. NONE better than you kind Sir.
Thank again Dennis👍
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the router lift. 👍
I bought the set of forstner bits that Porter Cable sells, the ones of the set that I have used, have been quite good quality, I am happy with them. They are reasonably priced, and of course, are made in China. SR
Hey Dennis. I really enjoy these videos, they've been super helpful. I'm especially looking forward to the t-track reviews. I'd appreciate your comments on what might be good for a regular workbench, but also your thoughts on what might be good for a CNC router (even if you don't have one).
Dennis, the show is just getting better.
Here's my scorecard for "Hooker on Wood". 5 star. 5 star. 5 star. 5 star. 5 star. Definitely recommended.
Keep 'er lit Bro!
Don't correct that typo! It is rather funny.
Haha
@@dougveganparadisebuilder5808 Doug, I've just seen that typo. It really was a typo but, just like you said, it is funny. Cheers Bro!
@@HookedonWood Dennis that was definitely a typing error BUT, funny. Accidentally funny. Cheers Dennis, you're a good sport!
Looking forward to that Router Lift review! Would love to see how it compares to other high end lifts, and also to a big router that has a built in adjustment that can be used like a lift (such as Triton 3HP router)
I've been eyeing off that router lift, not to mention the T-track rails, so I'll hold off on those purchases until I see your reviews! Thanks for the heads up, really appreciated, and will make sure I use your affiliate links.
As always, great work!
I couldn't wait so I sorted through all the different types of t-tracks this week and ordered some and some accessories to see if they'll connect together.
Thank you for this one! I’m also very curious of your T-track overview. Looking to get a set for my sliding table saw. But there are so many different kinds at Banggood, hard to know which one to get. Hoping that you will also cover which flip stops that fit each track, and, last by not least, different mounting options for the tracks. Keep up the good work!
I've been sitting back quietly and watching all your reviews, bought a lot of your recommendations in tools, if it wasn't for Banggood, well you wouldn't get anything like the tools you promote, always interesting, had troubles with the dutch accent, I've got used to it now, German born living in Australia for the past 51 years. I don't know if you have the info, took a while to hunt it down, the black mdf in Australia can be bought from a company in Melbourne called " BORD ", not cheap but I wanted it. Thanks again for your quality reviews.
Hey Dennis! Thanks for the excellent video. Hearing you say the words "KWB" and "quality" in the same sentence cracked a smile on my face. KWB is part of the Einhell Group which stands for the more entry level of tools. Pricewise as well - so charging 20 bucks for this forstner drill is shameless!
Coming to what you call forstner bit set: Firstly I want to point out, that I have a similar set and I absolutely love it! BUT they are not forstner bits. There is a very important difference to forstners, that might lead to disappointment if you are not aware: As you can see in the video, a forstner bit has a nearly circular outside shape that stays in contact with the wall of the hole and keeps the drill centric inside the hole. The bits from the chinese set however, have carbide blades, that protrude from the steel body of the bit about 1mm. The drill ist centered only by the little tip in the middle. When you use such a bit in a manually guided drill, this leads to a slight sideways shifting - especially in holes deeper than the height of the bit body. That does not happen with a frostner bit. Another big difference between these two drill bit types is, that the forstner bit can drill partial holes at the edge of the material, where a part of the hole is not in the material.
When used in a drill press however, like in your test, there is practically no difference between these two drill bit types, because the drill press itself provides stable guidance. So for good results use these china bits in a drill press or with any other firm guidance for your drill and you will be absolutely happy with them.
Fun fact: In contrast to forstner bits, those drill bits like your chinese set are called in Germany "Kunstbohrer". Deepl returns "art drill" as a translation, but I have severe doubts that this direct translation is the correct name in English.
Please keep on your excellent work.
Best Regards
Andreas
Andreas 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I just wanted to address these points! KWB and Kunstbohrer 😂 very good explanation. I‘ve bought some KWB-Wood drills on a flea market. All where the same „Professional Series“. Most of them are cheap quality. But two of them are excellent HSCO-Drills with fine sharpness and a smoooooooth finish. So kwb is a typical distributor/Handelsunternehmen. But it is in general cheap quality. I needed some cheap ones to build a fence on a horse farm out of wood with doubtful origin. Some had concrete on them. I didn’t want to ruin mine fine Würth set. Buy 10 pcs. of 6mm for 2€ was fine for the job.
Superbly presenters like always!,,
Thank you Dennis! The Hooked on Wood site is great, and your video quality is excellent. Thank you very much for the reviews. Like the rest, I’m waiting on your review of the router lift and fence to build my new router table. I’m curious if you could do some videos on MFT table accessories? I’m thinking of building the MFT table with a router table on one end. Thanks again, always enjoy your content!
Great, love your reviews. Looking forward to your review on T track, I spent weeks trying to bring together compatible tools to tracks. Incra, Jessum, Elektra Beckum, Kreg, UJK (Axminster Tools), so very interested. O Yes wish I was on the Strand in this weather, I miss the Netherlands.
Hi Dennis! Looking forward to your next reviews! Maybe something interesting to include with the ruler review would be their accuracy. I have installed one I ordered from china on my mitresaw but on a length of 2 meters it is of by 1mm which is not very handy if you're trying to do precision work. Anyways, keep up the good work, your videos are immensely appreciated! Groeten uit België!!
Hi Dennis, another great review as always and I have already purchased some different T-Tracks and accessories from Banggood mainly for a cross cut sled I am proposing to build for my table saw. As i am just in the process of building benches and tool walls etc. etc. and trying to think of the best arrangement for my small workshop I am really looking forward to your workshop layout video and already submitted some suggestions for topics. See you again soon..
Nice video again. Have been eyeballing those forstnerbits for a while but was reluctant to buy them yet. You might just have convinced me it it worth the money. They are not that expensive either way.
Really looking forward to your t-track video with assecoires. Currently in the process of building a workbench and combo saw table with router table. Looking forward to some great info.
Bedankt maar weer! 👌😀
Great Video Dennis, that router lift looks amazing. Been in the market for one for a while now but my issue is picking which router I want to put in one. I only own a trim router currently...
Fantastic video as always! The "hollowness" in the middle of both squares is a necessary feature of injection molded plastic parts. There is a maximum wall thickness for each type of pastic because of shrinkage while cooling from the mold. The squares are actually "ribbed" so that sufficient strength is achieved, while maintaining almost uniform wall thickness.
AH!, thanks, good info!
Waiting for more information!
Nice job on reviews. Curios of the black material u use on your mtf top and other tops u show
Great content, Dennis! Will you be releasing a review and scoring card for the router lift?
Great stuff Dennis. I see you have had a visit from Festool Santa too. If you need somewhere to store your old Makita tools, I'd be happy to offer some space for them in my garage. Best wishes, Paul
I have used the same set of forstner bits for over 2 years. Thrashed them and still sharp. Only criticism is the tiny cutters at the edge make the bit prone to wander if used handheld. Not their intended purpose but a point to consider
my question on T-tracks is something you mentioned already, cut them yourself of buy them at the right size. I'm looking at them to make a downdraft table for power carving with some clamping options.
Dennis, sir. Wow.
I just binged watched 25 episodes of China Tools. Very impressive reviews, Dennis. Truly exceptional detail.
There are so many "Tool" channels on CZcams focused on the current cordless power tool craze. These channels have their place of course. Drilling holes and driving screws into rock-hard petrified wood may demonstrate a tool's raw potential. However, such tests usually lack the depth of detail for fit and finish, ergonomics, durability, and warranty to justify the conclusion that the yellow/red/teal tool is the best.
It is so refreshing to find a channel focused on the finesse of the little things. A kerf maker! A magnet! A clamp! Little things that improve the quality of life in the workshop so greatly.
My only wish is that more of the products from China had an imperial equivalent of the outstanding metric tools.
Can a drill make a hole? Yes.
Is a square... square? Too few would think to ask. Far fewer would have it tested at an industrial complex. Magnificent!
Subscribed. Bell rung. Awaiting more.
Thanks man! Your comments are very motivating for me. Thanks Dennis
For some reason, my previous comment disappeared. You are a mind reader, Dennis. I have been looking at the T-tracks and find it really hard to select the right compatible pieces. I would certainly would like to know the accuracy of the rulers and how well the tracks combine with a mitre track stopper. I want to combine this with an MFT table to come up with a table saw like set-up for my track saw. Keep the quality reviews coming!
New European rules means that we have to pay tax on everything we get shipped to Europe from China. In Denmark the administration fee will be around 30€ for each package. If Banggood want to continue selling to European customers they have to ship the goods from within the EU.
That's insane! 30 Euros is a rip-off!
Bangood will find a way that is for sure
Bangood has shipping sites in Europe so you can avoid that in some cases. However only a relatively small share of the products are sold this way.
That was very interesting about those 20 dollar set of Forstner bits Denis.. Nive one bro. I'm gonna get the m as my entry set until I feel better about spending 100 dollars on a real great set..
Hey Dennis!
I love your channel, and your energy and I've really enjoined your project video's in particular.
That said, I'm a bit sad to see so little project video's lately. In fact it's starting to feel like a commercial for china tools.
I understand the (financial) hurdles of running a channel (I have one of roughly the same size), but just be aware of the direction you're going in😉.
As an alternative maybe you could do projects (tailored to the tools you want to showcase) where you actually use several (china) tools and talk a bit about them in the process to balance the projects and the commercial topics.
Anyway, keep it up and go far!
Thank you Dennis for all your reviews helping buy tools with more confidence. Do you have a Moxon vise and is there one that you would recommend that wouldn't break the bank? Thank you.
Make a vídeo demonstranting the ROUTER LIFT
THANKS
I keep watching your show although I can't order from Banggood. I don't blame them that don't ship to my country of residence. So if I see a good idea I look if there is an alternative available in the U.S.A. or DIY.
As a climate refugee I had a good laugh when you were so happy to see the summer weather that you had to mention it in your video. LOL. Groeten uit de rimboe.
Try AliExpress. They ship to more countries. If you have a post office they should be able to ship. Same range.
Would you make a sister show reviewing Amazon products? They have become inundated with counterfeit, low quality knockoffs. Hard to discern what might or might not be a budget buy... thanks for all you do!
Hey Dennis.
I'm looking for T-tracks that fits to my Bosch GTS 10 XC table saw. The problem is the unusual size, inside 16mm. An adjustable miter bar would help me too. So maybe you have an idea.
I think I have at least about the same router lift as shown. One problem I have with it is that there is no locking mechanism for the lift. I have noticed that if there is some vibration from for example routing a bit too deep groove the lift depth can change during routing. Something you should check when you test it
Good information. I have to figure out. I missed this locking, so that would be an advantage when it works, but when it not works, this would be a bad thing.
Because of china product , i can afford woodworking work as hobby , and i can get lot cheaper price compared to Amazon due to the shipping fees i guess , thank you for introduce the product with comparison , at lease i know i must not need to get the expensive stuff coz it is always a alternative .
Hello, Dennis, congrats direct from Brazil! I like so much your reviews about China tools, and I'll make you a proposal: what if you talk about digital calipers available on Bangood in one of the next videos?
I already did one episode. But i will keep it in mind😀😀
@@HookedonWood Hello again! Yes, you already talked about the calipers in #17 video and i've forget it... shame on me! Sorry!
Enjoy the videos very much. Thanks! Question - so many of these products appear to essentially copy close to exactly other manufacturer's products. For example the router lift looks almost identical to the one sold by Sawstop, ditto for the Jessem clear cut table saw guides from Hongdui, etc. Is this because (a) these brand name products are produced in the same factories and these factories have license to produce identical products under different brands for less $; (b) are these "reverse engineered" products produced in China based off breaking down established brand name products or (c) is this a straight up breach of intellectual property? Any ideas?
T tracks: I'm very confused on sizes? E.g. which 'size' (dimensions) fits the most popular quick clamps, e.g. Festool clamps?
Hi Dennis,
Another great episode👍👍. Really interested in the router lift. However looking at the price of $319 or €264 it is not that much cheaper than say the Sauter router lift at €339 and which is a very high quality/precision router lift. Would be really interesting to see how good it is and also how much better it would be than using a Triton router with adjustable height which I guess is cheaper than both and the router comes with it? Very much look forward to seeing router lift review if you do it ? 👍👍👍take care.
I agree 😀
Great video again Dennis, as always! An off-topic question: I noticed that you have replaced all Makita machines on your tool wall (as far as visible) by Festool. Could you share your considerations for this change in a future episode?
😆, not yet!
Can't fault you for getting sponsered😀 Congrats! Thanks for all the hard work
Hi Dennis, I love your show and love your work. I'm finding that whenever you give a good score on your review of Banggood tools the price goes up, to the point I think I'll look elsewhere.
Sorry to hear. Actually when they know I upload a video, they make a special price. But after 2 weeks or so, they change this again to the normal price.
Oh, the tools in the background changed :-)
Nice video Dennis, on the ball as usual. I must admit I am dubious about ordering from Banggood, heard some bad reports, or am I worrying over nothing, anybody know?
Please can you compare to the incra tracks and ruler as well as they seem to be ok in UK for price
Any update on when this is out?
THanks to your series I am kind of surprised what you can get for your money. I mean I've ordered some decent products before from banggood but looking trough your videos there seems to be top notch quality out there on banggood (amongst all the shit of course I am going to assume).
I just placed a €150 order for some essentials I feel I am going to need or are gonna come in handy for some production work I am planning to do. I'd love to start making some things to sell but to make it somewhat profitable I am going to need to up my game and accuracy.
Thanks for all these videos and filtering out the chinese crap from the chinese finest ;)
Can you buy just the clamps ? If so, where ?
Re, T-Track: Look at dimensions on the T-Track, and what standards it is made to if any. T-Track in the USA was 3/4-inch wide, and 3/8-inch deep, and sized to work with 1/4-20 fasteners with 7/16-inch across the flats nuts and bolt heads… Then every body started jiggling things a bit.
So, as you review T-Track please let us know if accessories from one manufacturer work with other manufacturers track.
Thanks for al the useful information.
@hookedonwood Hey Dennis, would you happen to know if banggood is already using the EU customs IOSS platform, in line with the import tax changes becoming active on July 1st 2021 for EU customers
Sorry, I do not know. I asked them so I hope to hear something from them soon
Please can you review the router lift in more detail
I will going to do that, but I can not it is just a little bit bigger than my INCRA, So, I decided to make a new workbench. I also need T-tracks for the router fence. Then I can test them both.
But this take some time. I expect in August.
Another great review! in my opinion KWB is crap quality and more often than not simply a rip off. BTW: the link to the red plastic squares is wrong.
Man the Netherlands Hubo looks NOTHING like the Belgium Hubo, I am shook! XD
Weeral zeer informatief👍 leveren ze bij Banggood ook een factuur?
Volgens mij niet. Maar heb er nooit na gekeken of deze ergens te downloaden is. Ik denk het echter niet.
@@HookedonWood dat is wel jammer, ze hebben interessante dingen, en de totale prijs kan wel oplopen. Ik kijk al uit naar de video over de T-tracks.
Zie ik daar phiper klemmen? Vindt die zelf erg fijn.
Hoi Ivo, ja dat klopt. Ik vind ze ook erg fijn. Met name omdat ze mooi gecontroleerd kunnen klemmen. Er zit een mooie opbouw in. Goede keuze 👍
Have you heard about the new tax and customs regulations from July 2021 on. What impact will this have on orders at Banggood. As far as I have heard, it affects all goods that are shipped to the EU. The tax-free limit falls away, as far as I have heard. One must then pay customs and import duties on everything you order from outside EU.
Dennis ik heb een vraag. Hoe bestel jij je gereedschap van banggood nu met de nieuwe europese regeling?
Dat heb ik nog niet gedaan. Maar vanaf nu zijn de prijzen inclusief BTW en Banggood heeft aangegeven dat zij deze BTW afdragen. Dat zou betekenen dat er verder niet zo veel verander. Vooralsnog zijn de prijzen redelijk gelijk gebleven, maar nu met BTW. Ik denk dat ze vooralsnog dit verlies dragen.
Did I hear it correctly at 09:41 that your dinner is getting cold :-)
😂😂Never notice it before
So they sent you products for testing, the rest of us have to wait 2+ months for products that we paid for. Customer service link was a dead end link.
Hi Rob, I do not think everyone else does wait 2+ months. But sometimes, especially with Covid there is some delay to some country's I understood. But I understand 2 months, is really long. Happend me 2 times in the last 3 years and that is 2 time too much of course. I hope you will get it soon.
Those red clamping squares are also available at hornbach, in case u live nearby one. They are blue however. www.hornbach.de/shop/Spannwinkel-2er-140x140mm/6402261/artikel.html for example.
They are a bit smaller with 14cm but that is still a nice size. But the price is very sharp. Seems like a good deal
Reviews in the Netherlands say they are far from square
@@grantnelson7717 Yeah, thats true if u looking for a measurement device. I think as an helper for assembly they are good enough. I have a few of them (also the 2 other sizes) and the worst case is ~1 mm (0,7%) off from being square.
Next time try to drill in to endgrain with the banggood forstner, mine exploded :-D
Good suggestion. I will think of it next time to test bits.
I searched future episodes. Was the router lift reviewed?
Not jet. Will come very soon
i bought a set of the aliminium clamping squares after your review, but i found them innacurate, not square, they stay in their box im afraid.
really? But where they so far off? Did you contacted them?
@@HookedonWood the external angle was fine internally when checked they are off slightly, at that price I can't be bothered with the hassle . Other items such as the mitre guage I'm pleased with.
Clamping Square red plastic is wrong
Nice videos!
Its going to be interesting to see how this new EU small package tax law is going to change the cost to these tools
Yep. Will certainly make some products not worth it anymore. Hope they can reduce prices to compensate it a bit without loosing quality. We will see
The forstner drills look very cheap quality to me. I've also been disappointed by kwb more than one time, especially the "low cost" versions are just horrible. But Bosch offers a 5pcs set (article no 2608577022, made in Austria) at around 35€ and those are exceptionally good.
Where did you buy them? They run between 65 and 95 euros in the Netherlands.
@@grantnelson7717 Some German shop. A quick check revealed Alternate.nl has them in stock for 41.29€ + shipping. Not sure whether that's the best out there but at least below 65.
As much as I admire your tool reviews, I'd like discourage the purchase of plastic tools. I've seen any number of tools ruined by the eventual failure of their plastic components. Also, with much use anodized tools suffer in terms of their appearance. With minimal maintenance cast iron ages well but who can afford them? I'd encourage all wood workers to use a few perfectly accurate tools to make much of their kit. See JSK-koubou and Ohyo56 on CZcams. For instance, search "45 degree / 90 degree" to see whether you might not make your own beautiful, superior, lifetime tools.
Thanks for the info and I agree you can also made them yourself. But that counts for a lot of tools. Aluminum is fragile. IF you drop this, you also get some small damage, but that is easily to repair. Also with DIY squares you have to check some times if everything is still under control. But I get the point.
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Normally I would rate KWB as good quality but not high quality. But this fortsner bit looks quite disappointing.
Very disappointed. High Quality was perhaps not the best term. But I had drill bits from them and some other accessories, and they where OK. But this bit is really bad for the money.
Hi Dennis - How many times have Bangood taken yiour money but never delivered to order, and when questioned they claim delivery was attempted, and then ignored further requests for information? Very disappointed - I only bought on your PERSONAL recommendation - ps they behave like all other CHINA BASED on line suppliers 🥲