Review of 7 Combination Squares, China Tools Ep.24
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- 7 Square review! China woodworking tools Ep. 24
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Products tested in this video:
Combination Square aluminum.
www.banggood.com/custlink/Kmm...
Combination Square set
www.banggood.com/custlink/Gm3...
Square with tapered holes.
www.banggood.com/custlink/GK3...
Square with metric and increment scale
www.banggood.com/custlink/mKm...
Square with 4.5 ratings
www.banggood.com/custlink/DKv...
Laser engraver $ 249, Coupon code: BGlaser04
Product used in this video
Angle set up blocks
www.banggood.com/custlink/GKK...
My reference square used
www.dasquatools.com/
200mm precision square
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Products I use in my workshop!
Clamps:
Bessey rail guide clamps from video.
US: amzn.to/2NM6KV7
UK: amzn.to/2NMxPrn
DE: amzn.to/3lRTtHd
NL: amzn.to/3rghHw2
Micro jig clamps
US: amzn.to/3iIo20o
UK: amzn.to/3sSAuiP
DE: amzn.to/39dcEGM
Axminster Trade Hold down clamps
UK: amzn.to/2MimMVF
Bessey KRE parallel clamps
US: amzn.to/3qKKA3q
UK: amzn.to/39brNs0
DE: amzn.to/39btgyv
NL: amzn.to/3sVhgsR
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Festool products:
Festool Kapex
UK: amzn.to/3pcs4zF
DE: amzn.to/2Zc91ew
NL: amzn.to/3ac1p1F
Festool Router
UK: amzn.to/3deDFMe
DE: amzn.to/3b1G9Ld
Festool Domino
UK: amzn.to/3acGzzi
DE: amzn.to/3aeZOZi
NL: amzn.to/3rSR4hr
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Router table
Router
UK: amzn.to/3rMqINN
DE: amzn.to/377Bfex
Router Lift
US: amzn.to/3rRWWrb
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The material used for my workbench is Black MDF: Black MDF, something similar to Valchromat.
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Personal favorites
1. Kerfmaker
www.banggood.com/custlink/vDD...
2. Drill guide cabinet jig
www.banggood.com/custlink/KDD...
3. T-ruler
www.banggood.com/custlink/3GG...
4. Precision square
www.banggood.com/custlink/DKv...
Miter square
www.banggood.com/custlink/GmG...
5. Miter square brass
www.banggood.com/custlink/vmG...
6. Height gauge
www.banggood.com/custlink/KGG...
Other equipment I use!
Table saw with dust system:
Harvey HW110GL Europe edition with sliding table
Harvey / Axminster trade S-12 overhead blade guard
Dust extraction: HBM 200
Oneida Super dust deputy 6”
Workbench:
Incra master-R-router lift
AEG 1400w router
Incra 25" SL positioner with Wonder Fence
Drill press: Jet JDP 15B
Miter saw: Festool Kapex 60
Different links to products I use
Clamps:
Axminster trade hold down clamps
Piher Rail guide clamps
Micro Jig dovetail clamps
Bessey parallel clamps
Axminster trade parallel clamps
Push blocks
Micro Jig Gripper
Incra Push block
Thank you for viewing.
Best regards,
Dennis
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I always enjoy your reviews Denis and this, this is my score: content 5 stars, presentation 5 stars, relevance 5 stars.
We always can count on Dennis. For he is got a great woodworking video every time. Thank you Dennis kind Sir.
Dennis as normal you always give your honest opinion and that is AWESOME cheers Dennis
you're one of the best and fairest reviewers wow!
Top tips, lovely links, and realistic reviews. Thanks Dennis 👍
once again. thank you for taking the time for this. kudos!
awesome as usual Denny keep up the good work buddy we appreciate the videos thanks
Fantastic reviews, Dennis! 😃
Thanks a lot!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Awesome! I have been looking for such squares for a long time on BG.. thank you Dennis!
These videos are very helpful and well produced. It's easy to tell a lot of effort is going into them. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Hi Dennis, Mr. you do have us hooked on wood! I’ve never get tired of watch your videos. Thought I live in a apartment in New York I do like to have carpentry tools and have more than I should for the lack of space . Finding a work place is the issue. I work from my friends home garage, so have my tools are at his place. I should add that your explanation and language definition is excellent. this companies should be paying you👍.
Keeps us HOOKED...
Thanks Jorge
Thanks Jorge! Feels good to read your comments👍 have a nice weekend
Thank you for another of your excellent review videos.
Appreciate your reviews
Thank you Dennis great video your editing and camera work is really great
How you give an honest review is refreshing
Capergal
Hey Dennis, greetings from Australia, another great video Kerel. looking forward to your workshop videos as I'm in a 3mx3m shed so your 6x3 seems massive.
Nice one once again Dennis!
Thank you for the honest information.
Grangratulation for the new Festool tools :) Great video like always.
Thanks Dennis honest is your super power
Once again good information.
Another great video. Straight talking man.
Keep 'er lit Bro!
Thanks Dennis👌👍The wall behind is getting the right color😎👌👌
Yes, I thought it matches my clothes better.😀😀
Nice video again Dennis
thx for the information
thank you
THANK YOU AGAIN
I ordered a Woodpeckers square made from G10 as I sometimes drop my tools on the concrete floor. I had given these a look but the poor markings of the square gave me poor thought of these tools. I have ordered a new European style disc marking gauge from BangGood that should arrive at the end of the month. It looks well made and I shall see.
you should use a white permanent marker to fill in the engraved squares, then immediately wipe away the excess paint with a clean finger or use alcohol and a cloth after it has dried up. Your eyes will thank you for it.
while a pre-painted tool might scratch up and lose it's paint over time, an engraved tool has the benefit of just needing a little patch up work. to me personally most of the time I prefer the latter option as it gives me more confidence in the longevity of unbranded products.
Great Tip!
Thanks for the great review. I've leant from experience that for making these combination squares, machining accuracy is one thing, using adequate materials is another. Aluminum and plastic squares are never reliable no matter how precise they look when new. The tiny keys inside the blade slot will wear out quickly causing big errors. So if you want reliability, the square frame has to be forged or at least casted iron. Of course if the machining is precise, it's a bonus.
Nice Festool wall!
Hi Dennis. Thank you for all your review videos. They really help the new woodworkers understand the difference between a quality/precise tool vs an inexpensive/poorly made tool. Do you know if Banggood will offer more tools in imperial units? Mainly measuring tools?
Thanks for another excellent review episode. We can always count on you for rock solid consistency. Although, something seems to be different about this particular episode. I must conFESs that I can't quite put my finger on it. Your TOOL wall seems different. Oh, well... No matter.
Man do i look forward to your vids. I noticed you have some new toys in the back ground congrats. would be great to see a QA TO KNOW MORE ABOUT YOU BUT I GET NOT EVERONE WANTS TO DO THAT SORT OFF THING
My shop is lined with rubber mats cause I get the dropsys sometimes... great video, have a great week looking forward to next Friday already
Great idea!
Thank you for your reviews. I appreciate the detail you provide and have purchased 4 items from Bangood. Sadly, I bought the Drillpro 200mm square and checked it against my 12" Woodpecker square and found it was not square.
Another great video! I agree that the combination square set should be accurate out of the box, but these are manufactured (or should be) to allow adjustments later. The scale does not sit flat in the cast iron housing, but rides on two tabs on both sides of the clamping screw. When the scale is no longer square with the housing, it is possible to remove small amounts of material from one of the tabs with a jeweler's file until the scale is square again. It is "file a bit and check" effort, but this has worked on all of the inexpensive combination squares I've used.
I get the idea. But this set had too much failures. But I agree some adjustments is possible.
I'm a new subscriber to your channel and I'm really enjoying your comparison videos of the China tools. HOWEVER, I've spent a lot of time watching and waiting to see any tools that come in Imperial measurement and haven't seen anything yet! I'm a new woodworker looking to step up from the Home center measuring tools, but I don't want to spend Woodpecker $$$. Do any of the China tools come in Imperial for us folks who are still inching along?! ;-)
There are some tools that are Imperial, Some tools only Imperial, and some only metric. But I agree the focus looks like to be more on Metric.
The squares I use are from scala. They're the squares we sell at the store we work in. Most of the other brands I tested weren't really square,Stanley, bahco, wolfcraft. The only other one that actually was square is the Dewalt builders style combination square. That one seems perfect as a saw guide.
I was just referred to your channel! Thanks for the in-depth reviews of these tools as I've been thinking about buying some of these kinds of tools as I'm starting out and don't want to pay the high price of the woodpeckers.
One thing I wanted to mention as I'm guessing probably nobody else that watches this channel will have noticed :), as an audio engineer, listening on my studio headphones there's a low frequency bass noise present in your shop while you're talking (you can tell as when you give the score card or pause the video it stops). I'm guessing it's an Air Conditioner unit running? It's super easy to filter out when you're editing your video with a High-pass filter set either 60 to 80 hz (I haven't run it through a spectrograph to confirm). High-pass meaning all frequencies above the set point will be allowed to pass :D Anyways, small suggestion, love the videos and thanks so much for making them!!
Hi Dennis. I always enjoy watching your videos and have learnt a lot. I purchased the combination square based on your recommendation but mine is massively out of square making it useless. There is no way to make any adjustment to correct it. I can see from the comments that other viewers have had similar quality control problems with this item. I have purchased many items from Banggood which up to now have been OK. I contacted Banggood and they have asked me to supply information which was on the packaging which was thrown away when the goods arrived. Seems like they don't want to take any responsibility for dealing with the problem. So I can't even give this a 1 Star recommendation and would warn anyone considering buying this item.
I am sorry to hear this Peter.
I heard more complains about this combination square, which is a shame. For what it is worth I also sent a email to Banggood about this product. I think I will change my recommendation in the description of the video. Thanks for letting me know.
Enjoy the sun? We are freezing in South Africa :-)
Great review, thanks.
1.5 years ago, we where in South Africa. Only warm clothes with us. And it was also very cold😀 luckily the vibes was fantastic. We enjoyed it a lot
Hi Dennis, great video as usual! I wish Banggood had more of their L Rulers in Imperial. Most of them come in Metric but I can't find imperial version on their site. Otherwise would I probably buy them all. Haha.
Yes, they did that for safety reasons 😀😀
You can actually adjust the squareness of combination squares by removing some material on 1 side of the clamping mechanism. The ruler is pulled against 2 raised parts on either side. If it is less than 90 degrees remove some material of the strip closest to the inside if it is more than 90 degrees remove some on the outside strip.
Edit: of course you would want it to be square from the beginning, but that is exactly why most Chinese stuff is cheap, lack of or very little quality control.
can‘t wait for next friday :-). Dennis where are your makita tools?
On the floor at this moment :-) I will sell some and replace the others.
Hi Denis, would it be possible to create a video on techniques to saw perfectly square. Especially with basic tools as I am not that fortunate (yet) to have a dedicated workshop with a saw table and workbench. I recently build a cupboard for my 3D printer (BTW I purchased the snapmaker 2.0 which is a 3 in 1, namely 3d printer, cnc and laser engraver) I kept having trouble getting the plywood I used correctly square. Thanks Robert
Hi Denis, do you have a veiko 200mm "triangle" carpenters square vídeo? I would love tô see your impressions about this one (45, holes and all metric)
I see all the power tools behind you are now Festool. Did you win the lottery?
Not just the hand power tools, new mitre saw as well! Do you think Dennis has a product placement deal? Lol
Not a placement deal, just a bit Proud. But I did have some tools already. Just bought the screwdrivers and track saw. Which of course cost a fortune. But it was on sale with free battery's Then I could not resist it anymore :-)
Hi Dennis, with the first square you showed, I have a concern, regarding the it being aluminium and stainless steel. I feel like over time, with lots of use the head will wear and it lose its 'squareness' but for $20 its cheap just my 5cents. 🤷♂️
That green 'virus' you caught... got you good 😁 👍
I have a Stanley try square from the 1980's with an aluminum body, it has been used and dropped for DYI and remodeling projects for 4 decades and is amazingly still dead on square.
This could be possible, luckily the ruler is pretty clean, so no burs to scratch the material away. Still over time, it would be possible.
Hey Denis,
Thanks again for the video. Did you score a contract with Festool? I noticed that you have changed all your tools in the background.
Hi Kai, Not completely. There was a nice deal here in The Netherlands where you got a free Battery.. That always hold me back. Now I get enough Battery's I bought some tool. But I placed them a bit together, so it looks like new, but half I already got.
@@HookedonWood ok! Let me know if you want to sell your Makita nail gun. I am looking for one.
Wow Dennis, you upgraded your work tools, from makita to festool, unbelievable! Can't wait to see the new lab! Keep it up!
I found it unbelievable myself :=))
@@HookedonWood Any particular reason for the change to Festool across your power tools?
The screwdriver not, but they are nicer to work with. Certainly not necessary. The tracksaw is more stable. Starting with a new battery pack always hold me down. But now it was with free batteries😀😀
Hi Dennis, upon your recomendation I ordered the combination square. regrettably, mine is not square,.. With brand name combi squares (I also own a stanley) there are nothes that you can file down to correct this, but that is not the case here... It's a pitty, but it needs to go back to china. (appreciate your video serries highly!)
I know you said you don't use a center finding tool much. But is there on that you would recommend. I'm actually looking to get one that's accurate and reliable.
Sorry I do not have experience with the Banggood version, but I will keep it in mind. Next time!
Hi, I've bought drillpro square 'Square with 4.5 ratings' after your reviews. Is not perfectly at 90°. By drawing the line and flipping over to draw the other, they are not perfectly parallel. How can I adjust it? Thanks for your video.
The first combination square, but it does have a latent failure mode. ANY combination square made with an aluminum (or other soft metal) body and has s steel ruler blade will have this problem. Continual use of moving the soft metal body along a steel rule will cause wear of the raised areas within the body. These raised areas are what holds the the rule square to the body when the clamp screw is tight. Wear changes their height which in turn changes the angle. It is always preferable to have this or similar tool made with rule and body materials of similar hardness. Like cast iron body and a steel rule.
sounds logical. I have to say that it is completely flat from inside. So it does not have two points the ruler is leaning on. Luckily the ruler is clean and does not have burs. But I can understand what you say. But, I do not think this will happen very quick.
Dennis where can I find that big aluminium reference square? Also wooooooow that's a lot of green in the background. I'm blind! Also also: Can't wait for your router lift review :)
Hoi Drik, You should find it here: hookedonwood.online/China-Tools-Ranking/
Have a nice weekend!
Dennis
@@HookedonWood I mean the BIG one that you hold the test products up against to check for square. I didn't see that in the list. Don't think it's a banggood product :)
Sorry, know what you mean. I will sent a link soon.
Here you go: www.dasquatools.com/goodsdetail/5ed9fdaac0e79541e31c7447
Hallo Dennis. You change your working tools from Makita to Festool?
Nice review again. Agreed that a square just need to be very good as a square. Too much clutter when trying to make to much functions into one tool, especially when there are other affordable tools that do specialist tasks better. A Starrett is a Starrett, you’ll look hard to find a set that competes. There are som that do, but I don’t regret buying Starrett.
Sooo.. what happened to your Makitas..? Hopefully they are just outside camera range😅
Regards from a heavy Makita AND ..Festool.. user.
I agree ! Makita some just outside camera position, some will be for sale.
Dennis I am admittedly not a heavy buyer from China. I have noticed that you get products from different manufacturers in China. Sometimes its supposed to be the same product ( squares/levels/pencils/etc.) but manufactured by different companies within China. One maker I notice more times than not is "Drillpro". It appears to make better quality products by your recommendations. Not so for some of the other products in this review. Could you spend a little time talking about those different Chinese manufacturers that appear to give consistently reliable quality products in your experience? (Not just this review has brought this thought to mind.)
Thanks for your comments. I will keep your suggestions in mind. Thanks
Thanks for another great review. I've bought a few of your top rated tools over the past few weeks and all have been of very high quality. However, I have just received the aluminium set square and unfortunately it is of very poor quality. The mechanism and block is OK but the ruler is very crudely made - it is curved and the edges are very rough which is very noticeable at each end and I wouldn't trust the reliability of the scale as a result. Other people have also rated it highly so I suspect it's either a poor batch or just poor quality control at the factory.
Did you use one of my links or is it perhaps another item that looks like it? I would contact Banggood. I know that this is not always easy, but I also know that in the end, they find a solution.
@@HookedonWood Thanks for the reply Denis. I did use your link so I got the tool you reviewed - the one with the black anodised finish and steel ruler. That black part seems fine and locks the ruler well. But the ruler itself is of terrible quality. I will contact them but don't expect much to happen. Another ruler might fit the mechanism. Thanks for the great videos and highlighting things available in places you wouldn't normally look. All the tools I've bought using your links have been of exceptional quality so I'm not too bothered about this - I just wanted to flag that the supplier might have changed and people aren't necessarily getting the same tool you received. 😊
Ik wil graag enkele zaken bestellen maar na 1 juli krijgen we in België extra Btw en erger, kosten van Bpost ongeveer 35€ voor een pakketje ook onder de 20€. Dus,hopelijk snel shipping uit EU 😞
Bought the recommended aluminium combination square, anyone else having quality issues? After waitung several weeks because it was out of stock it arrived yesterday and is 1mm out of square at the far end of the ruler.
I have bought many other items from Banggood and have always been very happy with them, this is the first issue I've encountered.
I got mine some days ago and have the same problems. Flip-over test shows 1,75mm gap at a length of 260mm!!! By far not parallel! The ruler has a thickness of only 1,65mm (should be 2,0mm) and is therefor very weak, it was already slightly bent (was not flat). My small Starret has a 2,0x19mm ruler, this is much less of widht but it is much more stable. The base block is not flat, there is a small elevation running around the whole block (not milled or grinded before applying the colour). It is the same one Dennis tested because this video is linked in the description! Bad experience, let's wait for the reaction of Banggood....
@@Jamessir66 I didn't even look any further after discovering the deviation, reason enough for demanding a refund.
After the shipping date got delayed repeatedly BG sent me an e-mail, literally saying they were "putting pressure on the manufacturer". Maybe they pushed a bit too hard...
Well, I got the replacement square the day before. The base is of beeter quality, the ruler looks better but the angle is a DESASTER. It is much worse than the first one. The flip over test shows lines deviating by 3 mm (at 200mm length). The first square had "only" 1mm deviation.
@@Jamessir66 I got an offer for a partial refund (about half of what I paid), took it and - sort of - repaired the square by filing down one side of the reference surface in the body. Not pretty, not perfectly accurate, but OK when aware of its shortcomings.
Sorry to hear this guys. I will change my recommendation in my video description based on your experience. Not good!
What is your large reference square please?
Here you go: www.dasquatools.com/goodsdetail/5ed9fdaac0e79541e31c7447
@@HookedonWood Thank you. Any update on shipping zero c. insert to the UK?
Waarom heb je alle Makita-gereedschap vervangen door Festool?
Ik was altijd erg blij met de festools die ik had. Hikte alleen altijd tegen de hoge kosten van een eerste accupakket aan. Maar door de actie met gratis accu ben ik overstag gegaan. Niks mis met Makita, maar er is wel verschil. Het os alleen geen “noodzakelijk” verschil. Maar gek genoeg wordt ik er wel blij van😀
@@HookedonWood Je had toch een hoop Makitta gereedschap op de planken staan...wil dit dan zeggen dat je deze allemaal in een doos onder de tafel weggestoken hebt, of (tip) ga je ze verloten onder de abonnees ?
The first square is nice, but the one I receive definitely isn’t square and it’s going to need some accurate file work.
Just like any combination square.
i want a router table can you suggest one for me i am from saudi arabia and we dont have one here
Thanks for another interesting and informative episode Dennis. I’m liking your Festool collection in the background, great choice!
Here in Brazil with the price of tools at the minimum wage price, and expensive prices and shipping from Banggood and the citizen with 10 screwdrivers, 40 planers! This world is very unfair!
Yeah first post!
Congratulation Sam, You are always close but NOW you actually DID IT! :)))
@@HookedonWood at the beginning i used to be first but been a bit busy with real work in the last few weeks lol
I noticed you now have full festool shelves and no Makita anymore?
@@samrix5793 you saw what i also saw. Congrats on all those new tools.
@@samrix5793 It also draw my attention.
Out with Makita in with Festool
I have the Veiko T square and the Veiko 12 inch precision guaranteed square and I can tell you neither one is even close to being square. Bangood would not send me a new one of either square saying it was past the return date. They did manage to find 15 bucks to give me for my troubles. I trust you Dennis to give me honest information about these Bangood tools and that is why I bought these two. If I can't trust these tools to be square then what is the point of going to Bangood for ANYTHING? I finally broke down and bought a Woodpecker's 12 inch square - and it is square. It's what I used to confirm these Veiko squares are worthless paper weights. I took pictures and sent them to Bangood. Any idiot could see they were off by a mile. Not happy at all.
Hi Dwayne, sorry to hear this story. NOT GOOD!
I agree, that you must trust your tools to be square.
I hoped they would better deal with this situation.
@@HookedonWood They are not very nice people. If I was selling something like this product and it turned out to be flawed I would send them a replacement regardless of the warrantee period. I told them I watched your shows all the time - which is true. I've watched most of your shows. I will not shop there again and I urge your fans to not shop there either unless they want to be disappointed. If they see this and change their mind you can remove my comment - or I will. Then I will write a positive review about them.
Banggood are great....one of my orders never arrived in this covid world, credited very speedily.
One or None?
@@HookedonWood Just one! The other one I made in the same week was here in NZ in about 10 days!
A great many (everyone I have seen so far) of these tools are copies of other tools made with cheaply. I'd rather support the actual companies that made the product. Companies like Woodpeckers.
Makita =====>>>>Festool 💚💚💚
Thanks as always denis great work BUT mate I wish this came out 1 day earlier, I just bought a set of igauge set squares for double the price today.
Don’t know if it’s possible but after seeing your laser engraver review I’d love to see you try out one of banggoods small cnc routers, they seem like a great little tool to have in the shop.
So, I bought the Combination Square aluminum seen in this review, it was so far out of square it is not fit for purpose, approximately 1mm out over a distance of 200mm, that's pretty much junk. Oh, well, you get what you pay for, sort of....
Hi Jester,
I am so sorry to hear this. You are the second one that tells me it is nog square. This is a shame, because I like it very much and mine is perfect. Do you know why it is out of line. Is the ruler or groove in the ruler not good. Or is the base not aligned good?
If I get more reactions like yours I think I will write in my description that the quality is not consistent.
Thanks for letting me know.
I've bought a lot of tools off of Banggood, based on Dennis' recommendations, and I have to admit... I've not been impressed at all with these squares from Banggood.
The customer support, of BangGood is horrible. I recently bought the 12" Veiko square and it is off. There are gaps, based on checking it with my feeler gauges and comparing it to my 857/00 knife edge square. I've sent pictures to BangGood and they wanted to give me $5 USD in BangGood credits for my inconvenience.
$5 USD for the $42 I wasted on the square? What am I going to do with this square, besides throw it out? I definitely will not spend more of my hard earned money at their website, and I will definitely not go off of Dennis's reviews, especially for anything that I need to be accurate\precise.
For the amount of money I've wasted, time, and headaches... I should have used the money to buy some Starrett combination squares as well as a few SS Woodpecker squares.
Never again!