have you seen these Cheap Chinese tools?
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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2024
- One of these tools really surprised me...
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The parallel guides. Assemble once and hang on the wall next to the tracks.
What I liked about this video is that you included real-life nitty gritty in dealing with Chinese tools. Such as shipping mishaps, questionable packaging and branding, etc. Thanks for the video.
I purchased those parallel guides and while they are a PITA to assemble the first time without instructions (there are some good instructional videos on CZcams), they are absolutely fantastic and I use them all the time with my Makita track saw. And yes, they are identical to the Woodpeckers ones almost difficult to tell apart. And you don't need to disassemble the whole thing to store. I do separate the four sections, leaving the connectors in place so assembly is just about slipping the sections together and tightening the set screws(and you don't want them all together anyway if you don't need the whole length, most of the time I only use one or two sections). For repeated panel cuts (i.e. making a kitchen) I've found it indispensable.
I totally agree with you. I use my parallel guides with a Makita too and they are very good quality and work perfectly. I keep the head a two sections permanently fixed to one another and hang those up. The rest of the stuff goes in the decent, but not fancy box the guides came in. Who needs an expensive plastic "systainer"? $500 vs. about $100 for a plastic box with a fancy name?
Thank you for your kind words my friend. That is the second tool in a collaboration series with Hongdui who I know to be one of the bet tools makers working today. We have several more coming out in the near future. those mallets will be back in stock on my website in a few days. Love the series my friend.
Cant wait to see whats coming! Thank you!
First of all, good video, straight to the point and no fancy unrelated stuff.
Being these fellows a new player on the tool field, more reviews are always welcome.
thanks for watching!
The european standard dog holes is 20mm (like Festool MFT and the like). The "19 mm" holes are usually 3/4 imperial size. But Sjöbergs seems to have their own standard of 19 mm, though.
Yes, I realised that now - I thought Sjöbergs had set the standard :)
Parallel guides are a game changer if you build a lot of furniture from sheet goods.
Great video, my oldest son lives in Oskarshamn Sweden, and works in his wife's families machine design company. They refuse to buy anything from China and have very high standards for what equipment and tooling they use, and depend on that equipment for their livelihood. I however am a hobbyist and buy what I can afford but usually try and fine used US made for most of what I have. I have never ordered from Banggood but have bought some items from Harbor Freight which is mostly Chinese goods. Their tools seem to be getting better but also more expensive in the last few years. It usually takes a lot of fiddling and cleanup to get any precision from much of their equipment, and some you just cant make work no matter what you try. Many have had pretty good luck with tools purchased on Banggood, and I a look forward to your future reviews of their products.
Thanks for the great videos, with great respect... Joe
I have the Fonson parallel guide system and I can say the foam from the cardboard box fits exactly in a makita makpac/systainer. And I love tem. Yes, it's a blatant copy, they could at least have used their own color, but as a hobbyist I can't afford the real ones.
nothing wrong with the video it's done in a professional manner precise and to the point honest but there are several other makers out there doing the same things so not very original I still enjoy your channel and your humor atb
Thanks for the review. I have a few Hongdoui clamps and they held up just a few weeks before the small screws came loose. Tried to add some loctite, but they keep coming loose. I don’t use them anymore and bought the Festool clamps instead. Yes, more expensive, but much more enjoyable to use and no issues at all after a year of use.
Hi there, Just a quick one on the Parallel guides. make up the first piece with 300mm extrusion & store it in shadow foam with the rest of the stuff, You can make it as big or as small as you wish. This keeps it all together & you can store it away in a drawer or on a cleat wall. see Johnathan in (Shadow foam). The way he uses foam is unbelievable, this guy is amazing. Worth a watch even if you don't like the process. You can see from the foam insert if anything is missing at a glance.
Really enjoying your series. You are doing a great service to the hobbyist community by posting these reviews. I would agree with others in that you can only get 2 out the 3 parameters in any product: price, quality and service. Many have said that for professional work, they would not buy these tools. Which makes sense in that a business is getting a tax break on their equipment, whereas hobbyists have to pay with after-tax dollars, and equipment breakdown has costs too.
Great video thank you, I’m enjoying this series I’d be interested to see more for sure 👍
Thanks for the time and review.
Yes if you can a video on the Banggood navigation and top ten tools to buy for beginners that would be helpful.Thanks.
Thank you for sharing. The mallet and planing stop look like I could use. Stay safe, happy and healthy.
Nice, I need some KM Tools. Great video Pierre.
Thanks for your sincere comments. Good advice from your side. Happy holidays
In my opinion all tools/jigs are variations of tools/jigs that have been in use for centuries. When you use your pencil and ruler do you wonder if they are rip off copies? Technology moves on and the tools we use moves along with it but they are still just a means of measuring or making things square/round/curved, just (hopefully) more accurate. Many of the tools we buy today are designed to hook the user, some fancy (read expensive) clamps we use on jobs can just as easily be done by a couple of scrap wooden wedges. So I wouldn't worry if the square I use looks similar to another named brand or the one used to build the pyramids. 😎 👍
Love these videos! I just subscribed dude. Keep up the good work!
Good job on this Sir. I enjoy your videos. I don't have a track saw and have seen no need for one. If my bandsaw, tablesaw or mitersaw can't cut it, I am probably not building it. The exception is sheet goods but I rarely break down a full sheet. Cheers friend.
I've bought the hold down clamps and have been impressed with them so far.
Great video and it's always a pleasure to see Postnord being Postnord... :D
dang pierre! your video production is top notch! keep up the great work!
Thanks man! Appreciate it!
I store my parallel guides fully assembled in a Festool track bag
I'd hang the parallel guides on the wall! They should take up very little room that way as long as you have the wall space.
I've got 20mm holes in my mft style worktop and two of the hold downs. They're alright. One is harder to clamp with than the other, I have to push down on the other side while lifting the lever to get it to engage properly.
Btw, I don't know who came up with the track saw parallel guide idea, but TSO also has a version. Benchdogs too, and probably others. They probably did rip off the color, though!
Great tips thanks for sharing
The Banggood parallel guide foam fits in a Systainer.
Good info. Thanks!
That drill bit you ordered looks like an Amana Tool copy. I'd be interested to know what they charge for it and if it compares to the quality. I only own one because it's like $40 US per bit.
Great video as always!
great video yet again!
Hi,
Of course more materials like that and some summary every now and then what you find most useful in your a workshop after few weeks/months ? :)
They look good but I wonder if any are up to USA 4R standard for accuracy. ?
Great video, my guess is that the maker of the parallel guides skipped the manual because they are too time consuming to correctly produce and you can buyers can refer to the Woodpeckers guide and video for instructions. I believe these are the same guys who are selling the WP adjustable track saw square knockoff as well.
Yes please, more tools from China. Especially identifying good brands.
The HongDui brand seems to be very good quality. I just picked up the table saw stock guides and they are not knock offs. No, they actually look identical to their Canadian counterpart from Jessum. So much so that I'm wondering if both brands were made from the same tooling? Same quality for half the price.
sounds like an opportunity to build your own hardcase for the parallel guides
Not a bad idea at all
Many thanks for sharing!!
My pleasure!
Nice video , some of those tools look great 👍
Some of them are quite good :) Thanks!
I agree with the ethical choice of not buying rippoffs. There are several other companies that make parallel guides including TSO and Benchdogs UK. They are not red obviously. I would prefer to buy products made in Europe as a European. But that comes with a price tag.
Nice stuff, I have some things from veiko they are really not bad.
So....in my previous comment I said I'm VERY new to woodworking. I've ordered a few of these things, such as som dog hole accessories mentioned in this video. Since I figured building a work bench would be a fun first bigger project and I don't have one with dog holes I assumed the 20mm must be European standard, considering that 3/4" is a imperial measurement that equals 19,05mm. Turns out from this video that I was wrong!
Yes please more tools from China and more from you in general!!!
Parallel thing will not find its way to my place…….not needed in most shops?
Bob
England
Hongdui, Wnew and Vieko are good brands.
I made a tool that will do exactly the same thing out of scrap wood and a piece of 1/4in threaded rod. Its hanging on the wall for when I want to use it.
I love my Banggood tools
I have the parallel track kit under my bench, assembled, stored on top of my track.
I was a bit hesitant about this site, but I think I’ll take a look. Hopefully I don’t have to wait for months! 😂
Do a video about that sweet looking combo machine behind you. Is that a hammer?
I made a purchase in July, have not received the shipment as of September. Be cautious!
wher you will put woodpeckers tool. You must reassembly and put in plastic box it is the same.
thats true. I wouldnt get that one either
I have found in my 50yrs of having a cabinet shop that about half of the Chinese tools are ok or even good but those odds are NOT good enough for me. All my squares are Starrett. Expensive, yes, but they are VERY accurate and my family will be fighting over them when I am gone....
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and what sort of items could i provide with what 3d printer
i have a chance to create and start a company with the support of the government
yes please more videos
If its cheaper and better, i will buy!!!
As others have stated I don’t know why you are referencing 19mm as a European standard most stuff seems to be 20mm following Festool MFT
You are correct. I mixed them up
@@TheSwedishMaker you will find it much easier to get 20mm clamps and other accessories like bench dogs. The choice of 3/4 (19mm) is much more limited. I have watched plenty of US CZcams channels opt for 20mm because of the choice available, we will wear them down to doing the metric thing eventually.
I have the hold down clamps and they are good for a quick fix.
I don’t know if you have seen it but Dennis from hooked on wood channel does a whole series on chinese tools.
Not only would I like to see you try more tools from China, I would also like to see you try some Chinese tools
I have some plans on doing that :)
Great video as always Pierre some of those tools look good. I suppose it’s always a risk ordering from sites like these
Thank you Steve! See you tomorrow!
@@TheSwedishMaker can’t wait
I do not get it. Would Europe using the metric system use holes of 3/4 inch = 19.05mm and the Yankees using the imperial system, make the part with the diameter 20mm which in inches is 100/127 ? That doesn't seem likely. The drilling rig you showed, it can't both be flimsy and drill straight at the same time.
Bit confused... 19mm (3/4") is U.S. standard, 20mm is European standard (MFT table) ??
I was wrong. The other way around
Idk if you're joking or not cuz 19mm metric IS 3/4” freedom. It's so close that having a wrench or socket in both is an effort in redundancy.
Same thing with 8mm and 5/16" freedom. Working on Stihls drilled that one forever into my memory.
9/16" is really close to 14mm but not always interchangeable like 8mm:5/16" and 19mm:3/4".
That being said, when i take measurements i do it in metric. Metric became so much more intuitive once i realized 25mm=1". 2.5cm just stops me up for some reason, even tho it's the same. I don't have to think when it's in quarters, then it's just money, y'know.
The only argument against metric that has merit, imo, is that metric doesn't have an equivalent to the foot, which is a much more intuitive unit of measurement. But knowing that 350mm (or 300+50) is a foot makes it much easier to NOT have to think about and to just know.
I'm very new to woodworking, so I'm honestly shocked that the BG corner assembly squares are ~40€. I totally would have expected half of that! The American brand charging three times just seems insane. I now that we are in difficult financial Times and prices probably have increased a lot. But still.. It must be hard to claim that you have big costs for research and development and prototyping and manufacturing for such a simple product? Otherwise I totally get that the original makers need to charge a LOT more than knock of companies!
the mallet looks highly similar to the katz moses one...
You comment makes me think you were the one to screw up my retention.
@@TheSwedishMaker haha
No way i would spend that much on a streight edge
I’ve had a Sjobergs bench for a couple of years now & that is not how I thought it was pronounced 😂
I have no problems with Where I purchase my tools but they Damn-well better do the job and do it well. I am selective about what I get from the PRC only because if there are short-comings they are rather well hidden, commonly found in durability, tolerances and interchangability (see: machine tools). Hand tools not so much. All the same, I Have found that any hand tools of PRC origin Do tend to rust more readily. (IMHE).😮
I think as a consumer you are caught in the quality, cost, availability triangle. That is we get to pick two - so a high quality readily available tool will be expensive. Cheap tools might be easy to find but are never high quality.
The ethical question is not about the theft of IP (that's a commercial matter between the makers), rather whether we can live with the hidden costs of lower cost, lower quality products - environmental, labour laws etc.
I can see the ethical problem with Chinese rip offs of Woodpecker's stuff.
However if you live outside the US then ponying up for Woodpeckers is a pretty big ask.
By the time you factor in the very high US dollar exchange rate and then add the super expensive shipping costs (why does shipping from the US cost so much more than from any other country), buying Woodpeckers is not a financially viable option for a lot of people.
Especially hobbyists.
So I don't think companies like Woodpeckers would be losing a lot of sales outside the US to China.
Within the US?
That's another story...
I think the answer on shipping from China has to do with state intervention. However I can also say have shipped stuff to the EU, there are a lot of protective tariffs and over regulation that is incredibly burdensome. I’m not sure how these Chinese companies make an end run on that except perhaps that they manufacture the tools so much cheaper that there is a very wide margin. I think government regulation, litigation, insurance, etc. also makes US manufacturing very difficult. Kinda hard to make a buck sinking lots of money into design only to have the design copied by someone else. Unfortunately these tools are so easily copied because they can be so easily reverse engineered. But given that the Chinese even knockoff entire BMW’s with thousands of parts, Swiss watches, etc. there are few things that can be protected. And even paying for “reliability” doesn’t compute if you can replace it with 5-10 of the same from China. Of course the calculus is different if it is something that could stop production.
@@marclevitt8191 I did a bit of research and it turns out that China subsidises postage.
That's how they can sell an item for $1 including postage.
The Chinese subsidies are possible because of an agreement that all countries entered into to subsidise the postage of developing nations.
So first world counties pay into a fund to help nations like, say, Uganda, have a functioning postal service and operate it at rates that people can afford to use.
As China is still classed as a developing nation, it gets these postal subsidies and uses them to ensure its postal costs are very cheap.
As to why postage from the US is so much more expensive than from, say, the UK or Europe.
I have no idea.
But I know from looking to buy woodworking tools from the US, often the postage will be as much or more than the cost of the item.
The only moral problem I have is with Woodpecker's pricing scheme. Snobby overpriced hipster stuff.
Te descalificas tu solito. Los productos chinos son infinitamente mas baratos y muchos de ellos no solo igualan sino mejoran la calidad. Otra apreciación es que la mayor parte de los productos y herramientas occidentales son hechas en china, de una u otra manera.
In Germany, everyone is always grumbling about products from China. Most people forget that almost everything now comes from China. I'm relatively open about that. I've been really lucky with tools from China, but also here and there bad luck.
I think it makes no difference when I order something in Europe. 🤷♂
The countersink looks like a copy of amana tools countersink. I refused to look at the microjig knockoff since microjig makes very innovative products altthough at a premium price. Thanks for quick reviews
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I wouldn't buy anything from china if the official product is available elsewhere.
In the last 500 years it is hard to grasp all the beautiful work that has been done by true craftsman without any of this crap. And most of the good pieces are are as good as the day they were built. One thing I learned after 60 years of woodworking . Learning to work with metal and machining you can make everything you need with great satisfaction.
I’m done buying anything relevant from chinese websites. Too many delivery failures.
Have you figured out, what to do with ur life?
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I like videos like this but it seems like EVERYONE that makes videos like this spend 50% of the time griping about intellectual property and idea theft. We ALL get it. We also arr poor and want the best bang for our buck regardless. We all know we can get the best quality from buying "Made in the USA" on most items but not everyone can afford it and want the cheapest but best alternative regardless of the moral implications. We would love to pay for the nicest and best at the high price but we can't all justify it. We can, however, justify stretching our pennies regardless of who we "victimize". It's like pirating or streaming movies/music for free...yes we understand we shouldn't support it but we want to partake without paying. We know what we are doing and we don't care so we don't need 50% of the video telling us to feel bad about our decision. If that makes me a bad person then so be it. I'd rather be a bad person with the tool and money in my pocket than feel morally superior and broke or constantly spending outside my means on things I need. It's human nature to want to pay less, just like its human nature to want to monopolize a certain market and maximize your profit.
I don't want to see anything from the CCP.
Why? Some of them are better than the yankees make. There is nothing unethical about buying these tools. They do it themselves. They don’t invade other countries, steal their resources and make tools pretending to be innovative.
most of these tools are waste of money.
Repeatable cuts with a track saw? What a pointless waste of money. Just use a tape measure. These products (original and copies) are made for a problem that doesn't exist, to fool stupid people out of money for stuff they saw on youtube. The only ethical question here is why you are reviewing silly stuff like this.