Both these teams were awesome. I'm an Islanders fan but I have a lot of respect for Gretzkys Oilers. Those two teams were no doubt two of the best in nhl history
The period from 1976 to 1990 was interesting. 3 dynasties in succession. The Canadiens won 4 straight, then the Islanders won 4 straight, then Edmonton won 5 in 7 years.
5 in 7 is very impressive but not a dynasty. If it's a true dynasty they don't lose a couple in their reign. With the Salary Cap now, there will likely never be a team to win as many as 3 in a row again.
And the Isles lost in '85 Appearing in their 5th consecutive Cup final Losing handily to a much younger & faster Oilers team Who was the third leg of those Dynasty teams you mentioned 3 Great Teams Many NHL Hall Of Fame players from those 3 teams
Only to add a few key player's on that '85 Isles team, Patrick Flatley Pat LaFontaine Just too many injuries for the Islanders to overcome As the Oilers too were determined to carry the Cup in '85 and dethrone the NY ISLANDERS.. It was their time.
The Islanders should be proud that the only thing that could stop them from winning 5 straight Cups and 20 straight playoff series was what is considered the 2nd greatest hockey team ever (83-84 Oilers).
and the fact that the NHL changed the Stanley Cup playoff structure so that it favored the Oilers--who were able to play 3 consecutive games at home in the finals---Mike Bossy has said that if game 5 of the final had been back in Uniondale there is no doubt the Islanders would have won and forced a game 6 and very likely a game 7 at home
Is that really an advantage? The NBA did that for the finals a few times but they gave the team with the better standings the first and last two games and nobody complained. I think that's just sour grapes on Bossy's part. The Oilers already won one game in the Islanders' stadium. There's no reason to think they couldn't have done it again (that I know of).
I AGREE THAT FORMAT HELPED EDMONTON WIN, ESPECIALLY AFTER WINNING GAME ONE! HAD ISLES WON THE FIRST GAME, THEY HAD A SHOT. ALSO INJURIES CAUGHT UP TO THEM. FUNNY HOW THAT FORMAT NEVER HAPPENED AGAIN. NHL WANTED A CANADIEN TEAM TO WIN CUP. THINK THEY WERE TIRED OF ISLES DYNASTY!🥂🥂🏒🏒
Isles were the greatest team ever to play....you can't just selectively pick one season. The Isles won 19 straight series. When someone gets close, we'll talk. Montreal 13, Montreal 10, and Edmonton only 9.
RE:david graham.. Actually the Oilers had more points in 1983-84 than the Islanders. If anything was unfair it was the Oilers not getting 4 out of 7 games at home. Plus the Islanders lost the Playoff opportunity of having Games 6 and 7 at home by losing Game 1 at home even if the Oilers won Games 3,4 and 5 in Edmonton.
Whether it was 50 shots or not, I remember watching Game 1 and it sure felt like it was about 50 shots. The Oilers certainly poured it on late in the game with wave after wave. I remember being shocked that the Islanders actually won the game at the end. A great way to cap off a great dynasty. Hats off, too, to the Oilers for being a great dynasty in their own right. It was a great time to be a hockey fan.
At the end of that 5 SC playoff, the Isles had played 99 playoff games (+10 the season before the streak, for 109 playoff games in 6 years). What Gretzky confirms in this video is that the Isles were banged up, bad. And that showed in that 5th SC series. The Oilers were extremely talented and FRESH, because they had played only 46 playoff games over that 5 year span. Just less than half as many as the Islanders. In my eyes, that is what beat the Islanders in that 5th Cup Finals.
kyokogodai Exactly right. The injuries and the grind of the playoffs had finally caught up to the Islanders. Butch Goring missed most of the finals, Dave Langevin and a few others were not 100 percent, and the islanders were forced to play overmatched youngsters like Greg Gilbert. In fact the only reason Mark Messier was able to score the goal that turned the series around where he undressed the d-man is because that d-man was rookie Gord Dineen. If the Isles dress all their regulars that game there’s a veteran defenseman out there and that goal doesn’t happen.
Completely true Too too many injuries to overcome the mighty Oilers But as posted earlier, it was Edmonton's time to shine And they certainly did so in impressive fashion
I’m an Isles fan but every team has injuries. Yea the deep playoff runs take a toll but can’t complain. It was the Oilers turn. Isles won game 2 to even the series and had the next 2 games at home but lost 7-2 in both games. Oilers were better
The Islanders had to go through that process too. They choked in 78 and 79 when many felt they were read to be Cup contenders. You have to learn to win before you can win.
Mike bossy would have been “the great one” possibly the greatest scorer in NHL history, if he didn’t get injured he could of been the all time scoring leader. Islanders need another dynasty!!!!!
Gretzky had a higher GPG average over the same number of games that Bossy played. Gretzky got to 500 goals in only 575 games. Ridiculous. After 10 years everyone’s GPG drops, just as Bossy’s would have done had he played past his prime like Gretzky.
Michael Griffiths after 10 seasons the difference in goals between the two were less than 50. Mike bossy was on par with WG on every record they both had 60+ goal season 9 seasons with 50+ goals and everything else. Bossy was the better player on the better team. If Bossy did not have the injury he would of been the all time scorer.
Silver Surfer Guy - How many 70 goal seasons does Bossy have? Gretzky has 4. How many 80 goal seasons does Bossy have? Gretzky has 2. How many 90 goal seasons does Bossy have? Gretzky is the only one to do it. How many times has Gretzky beaten Bossy’s 50 goals in 50 games mark? Three times: 50 in 39 and then 50 in 42 two years later...and 50 in 49 in 1984/85. I could go on...
Michael Griffiths fine WG had those seasons, but at 10 seasons they were both in the same range goal wise, I don’t believe it was more than 50 goal difference. If Bossy would have played as long as WG if he didn’t have the back injury he could of been the all time scoring leader you can’t deny he was just as good or possibly better than WG. Remember he beat WG 4x in a row.
Silver Surfer Guy - you have that backwards. Gretzky beat Bossy in goal scoring 4 times in a row (from years 81/82 until 84/85) and then Gretzky won it again in 1986/87, making it 5 times in total against Bossy. Gretzky only lost the goal scoring title once to Bossy when Gretz was only 18 years old in 80/81. Gretzky of course demolished him in assists and points that season anyway, winning his 2nd of 8 straight MVPs, but who’s counting.
Over the same number of games that Bossy played, Gretzky had a way better goals per game. The first 10 years are the prime years, so naturally their GPG were at the peak during that time.
@@romanlegion2621 - yes, overall, Gretzky wins. Gretzky got to 200 goals, 300 goals, 400 goals, and 500 goals all in less games than Bossy (or anyone in history for that matter). Gretzky got to 500 goals in only 575 games. It took Bossy 647 games. Almost a full season worth of games longer. Bossy also scored 50 goals in 50 games only once. Gretzky beat that number THREE different times. Bossy also never scored 70 goals in a season. Gretzky beat that number FOUR times. All the while out-scoring Bossy just with his assists alone lol. I mean, that else does a guy have to do?
@@michaelgriffiths8068 No overall Bossy wins, what does it say now? Bossy scored 50 10 straight years. Gretzky did not. HIGHER GPG!! As the saying goes, it’s not how you started, it’s how you FINISH! End of story
@@romanlegion2621 - Not at all. During their 10 years in the NHL together: 1. Gretzky: 0.84 GPG average 2. Bossy: 0.76 GPG average Gretzky wins. The really crazy thing? Gretzky not only scored more goals than Bossy (583 goals vs 573 goals), but did it in only 696 games. Bossy scored less goals (573 goals) in more games (752 games). Case closed.
@@ANTHONY0808able great record, but not consecutive...that's a different prospect. And I imagine what really plays on their minds are the "what ifs"....what if Smith hadn't banked in the Calgary winner in '86 -- what if Gretzky had stayed..... they might have won 8 or 9 straight.......ahh, what if........
@@fastfootedone Calgary forced Smith into that mistake and they lost to Montreal after that. Saying 8 straight anyway is a stretch lol. What if the isles don’t lose to Toronto and the rags in 78/79
I miss dynasties the way from the 70s and 80s when the Canadians, Islanders, and Oilers were the ultimate kings of their sport. Names and games that you can easily remember today because as a hockey back then they were part of your life. just like in baseball 70s where the names like Reggie Jackson, Sal Bando, Joe Rudi, and Vida Blue still resonate from the Oakland A's with memories today. Sports were so great and fun to follow back then.
Definitely seemed to be a stronger connection between teams and their fans back then. Not so much today. Players no longer remain with teams for life. During the Islanders dynasty, there were 16 players who were there for the four-year run. That wouldn't happen in today's free agent market business first approach.
Not so sure they read that moment right really on the bus as he said. They were not bagged because of winning one Cup. This was after the Islanders had won 4 straight Cups. Of course that team was bagged, no team has even come all that close to winning 4 in row ever since, and that was 40 years ago now. Playing that high level of hockey for that long is no easy feat, in fact it's a ridiculous feat. Arbour was one of the greatest coaches ever, and that team was one of the greatest ever. Making it to 5 finals in a row is a crazy feat in hockey, winning 4 Cups in a row is absolutely legendary stuff. Honestly, if that Islanders club had won 5 Cups in a row, they would pretty much be regarded as the greatest team in NHL history by nearly everyone who knows hockey much at all.
(I'm a lifelong Oiler fan.) I can see the fair case for the '80-'83 Islanders as the best Dynasty team ever -- or at least of the post-expansion era, if you prefer. Those 19 series wins in a row will never be matched. Whereas Montreal in the 70 and the Isles were sort-of well-oiled machines, the Oilers were more a wild, crazy, creative beast. I do think the Oilers were very mature and solid defensively in '87, '88, and '90. I guess the question is -- would you rather have 4 in 4, or 5 in 7?
Gretzky at the end mentions game 1 on the Island where the Oilers won 1-0.....he's right, if the Islanders win that game, they win 5 cups in a row because that game was key. Game 2 Isles smoked them but they needed to get back home and the NHL set up the series to be 2-3-2 instead of 2-2-1-1-1.
Without question I could not agree more 100% correct on both points The format, the injuries, plus all those battles in the corners over the years truly take their toll However, truly as a child-tenager, then as a young adult, I was fortunate enough to watch all of those many games firsthand. The NY ISLANDERS are truly one of the most impressive, most resilient , and the best team of character I ever had the pleasure of watching. There is no comparison to any team in any sport that I have ever seen since. PERIOD !
Ben Scrivens (of all goalies) pulled off a 59 save shutout not many years ago during the regular season. And Hasek managed a 70 save shutout in playoff game against the Devils in 1994 that went to 4 overtimes.
I was at game one on the Island for the drive for 5 and I remember Messier crossing the blue line and blasting it past Smitty and I knew at that moment this was their year. Heartbreaking but they earned it.
I’m an Islanders fan, but knowing that the Oilers looked up to that isles team (and ironically had the same colors blue/orange), Edmonton is my second team
I'm not sure if the 1990 oilers team should be counted as part of that teams dynasty because gretzky was gone and the 1990 team's entire style of play and key to winning (strong defense, hot goal tending) was much different than the powerful freewheeling offense of the 1982 to 1988 team.
lake erie sailor It was their 3rd cup in 4 years. It's definitely party of the dynasty considering they had the same team for the most part minus Fuhr in net and Gretzky.
If I'm not mistaken, Gretzky and Bossy never really got along well when they played. Both great competitors, no doubt there's great mutual respect there today. Something like Crosby and Ovechkin.
Only problem i will always have wth 84 scf is game 1& 2 in nyi games 3,4,5 in Edmonton if but didn't happen games 6& 7 in nyi nyi gotten robbed that year wth the home ice bs smh 2 , 3, 2 Only year it happened 😡😡
I knew it was over for the Isles when they lost Game 1, 1-0. Kevin McClellan, basically a fourth line plug, got the only goal of the game for Edmonton. It meant that the Oilers could beat the Isles at their own game: grinding, physical, nasty in the corners. The rest was just mopping up for the Oilers.
The Islanders lost because they were skating wounded and dead tired. They played twice as many playoff games as the Oilers had, over the same period of time. Give the Isles fresh legs, they destroy the Oilers....again.
I really think it would have bin a 6 Game series instead of a 4 Game sweep if Greatzky had of scored in game 2 instead of hitting the goal post when they were up 1--0 they would have won Game 2 it would have bin a more competitive series but the Islanders would have still won The Stanley Cup in 1983🏆 but in 6 Games not 4 Straight
The more people tell stories like that the more exaggerated they tend to get over time. When he began telling that story the shots were probably 30-20 but if you heard him tell it today it would probably be like 64-10. It’s something we all do from time to time. Kinda funny actually.
"Then we beat them at the coliseum in game 1 next year and got the crap kicked out of us the next night. So Zeigler changed the playoff format so we'd get home ice advantage and play 3 games at home where we had the best chance at winning..." - if Gretzky told the truth
Oh and then in 88 in Boston, the lights went out. But instead of resuming the game in Boston, we asked Z (that's what we called him), to send the series back to Edmonton where we had the best chance at winning..." - if Gretzky told the truth
Edmonton finished with way more regular season points than the Islanders (119 [1st overall] to 104). The Islanders were given 4 games out of 7 in the finals at home. If anyone should have complained about the change, it's the Oilers. And are you actually trying to claim that this change was instituted after game 1!!? Speaking of telling the truth ...!
And in '88, Ziegler quoted the NHL's bylaws as the reason for his decision. This is what Bruins' GM Sinden said in response: "The bylaw really told us what we had to do." (See articles.latimes.com/1988-05-25/sports/sp-3235_1_bruins-play-game). You also neglect to mention that the Oilers were up 3 games to zero, and had just tied game 4 when the lights went out.
Fergus Tyson...It's irrelevant now. The Islanders were pretty banged up by the finals in 1984 and the Oilers time had come. The Islanders team of that era is a legacy. Their 19 consecutive playoff series won is a record that will not be broken anytime soon. From 1975-1984, they went to the final four an incredible 9 out of 10 seasons.
Kind of like the Rangers (who were older and worn out) got the extra day's rest between game 6 and 7 vs the Canucks in '94. Not sure either of those were a conspiracy, but both situations favoured one team heavily over the other.
reggie pathak actually no the greatest shutouts ever were Belfour vs Brodeur in game 5 in 2000 finals .. belfour greatest game ever. He kept the stars in that game ... devils won 1-0 in ot
Billy Smith retrospectively commented on that game in an interview years later that "Grant did to us, what I had done to Edmonton the year before"(a 2-0 shutout masterpiece by Smith); the two became golf buddies in retirement...
Oilers and their Campbell conference cake walks. Enough said. Ice packs in their stalls.....Wales conference is why. 19 straight playoff series even gretzky and his idiots couldn't pull that off. Thank you Steve Smith
They were cocky just like their players, but at the end of the day they never won more than 2 in a row and missed out on being a dynasty, like the Wings, Habs and Islanders before them.
Just a different time, Era, when signs were just made for fun, and NEVER truly meant to be taken to heart. If you need a true example of this, and how hockey fans WERE BACK THEN, for Pittsburgh and Philadelphia I think I can speak for both sides when I say from the '70's-'00's neither club had a bigger rival. And it VERY MUCH carried over into the fans. You DID NOT go into the IGLOO (R.I.P.) with a Flyer Jersey on, and I can only guess, but am pretty sure you DID NOT go into the Spectrum wearing the Black and Gold. If you did, you were probably in for a long night. HOWEVER, in saying that, the day Mario Lemieux took his Last RADIATION TREATMENT for CANCER, He got on a Plane, flew cross state to Philly, Laced 'em up, not knowing what to expect (I'm sure), and stepped onto the ULTIMATE ENEMIES Ice to, what, nothing but a STANDING OVATION!!!! And THAT was 1980's hockey!!!!
Edmonton Oilers we're a much better team than the islanders. Times changed so does history.. both great teams with talented players.. but Edmonton oilers had the edge
Percy Jackson that is a VERY VERY debatable statement. Edmonton was a one dimensional team that never won more than two cups consecutively because they choked against Calgary, and they couldn’t beat the Islanders in not one but two playoff series before 1984. Also one of the main reasons Edmonton had such an easy time in 84 was because they Islanders were nowhere near 100 percent, they were banged up and didn’t field their full roster. The Islanders won 19 straight playoff series and had one of the best lines in the history of the game, To me for someone to say Edmonton was much better is to ignore the history and how it really went down. The Islanders were every bit as good if not better.
Our utmost condolences RIP Mike Bossy
Gretzky and Bossy - Legends both :)
Both these teams were awesome. I'm an Islanders fan but I have a lot of respect for Gretzkys Oilers. Those two teams were no doubt two of the best in nhl history
I'm a islanders fan to and your 100% right
A lot of people forget, 1984 Canada Cup, it was mostly Oilers & Islanders. Coffey to Bossy for the Canada Cup winning goal. Poetic
But the 70's Canadiens are still the best ever.
@@waynejohanson1083 no they’re not, one of the best maybe
@@waynejohanson1083 I am a long time Islanders fan and I agree with you. The 1970’s Canadiens dynasty was the best ever
I have much appreciation for Gretzky and the Oilers for the respect they show that Islander team.
The period from 1976 to 1990 was interesting. 3 dynasties in succession. The Canadiens won 4 straight, then the Islanders won 4 straight, then Edmonton won 5 in 7 years.
Randy Bailin Only other franchise to win was Calgary then 2 straight from PIttsburgh and Montreal once again.
5 in 7 is very impressive but not a dynasty. If it's a true dynasty they don't lose a couple in their reign. With the Salary Cap now, there will likely never be a team to win as many as 3 in a row again.
Make it 74-92 to count for the Broad street bullies and Mario's Penguins
And the Isles lost in '85
Appearing in their 5th consecutive Cup final
Losing handily to a much younger & faster Oilers team
Who was the third leg of those Dynasty teams you mentioned
3 Great Teams
Many NHL Hall Of Fame players from those 3 teams
Only to add a few key player's on that '85 Isles team,
Patrick Flatley
Pat LaFontaine
Just too many injuries for the Islanders to overcome
As the Oilers too were determined to carry the Cup in '85 and dethrone the NY ISLANDERS..
It was their time.
That’s my fav story of all time.
Gretzky on learning from the Islanders
what it took to win. Guys all beat up
Ice packs...next level lesson.
I got so much respect for the great one you hear him he idealize the islanders....
Two best pure hockey players ever
The Islanders should be proud that the only thing that could stop them from winning 5 straight Cups and 20 straight playoff series was what is considered the 2nd greatest hockey team ever (83-84 Oilers).
and the fact that the NHL changed the Stanley Cup playoff structure so that it favored the Oilers--who were able to play 3 consecutive games at home in the finals---Mike Bossy has said that if game 5 of the final had been back in Uniondale there is no doubt the Islanders would have won and forced a game 6 and very likely a game 7 at home
Is that really an advantage? The NBA did that for the finals a few times but they gave the team with the better standings the first and last two games and nobody complained. I think that's just sour grapes on Bossy's part.
The Oilers already won one game in the Islanders' stadium. There's no reason to think they couldn't have done it again (that I know of).
I AGREE THAT FORMAT HELPED EDMONTON WIN, ESPECIALLY AFTER WINNING GAME ONE! HAD ISLES WON THE FIRST GAME, THEY HAD A SHOT. ALSO INJURIES CAUGHT UP TO THEM. FUNNY HOW THAT FORMAT NEVER HAPPENED AGAIN. NHL WANTED A CANADIEN TEAM TO WIN CUP. THINK THEY WERE TIRED OF ISLES DYNASTY!🥂🥂🏒🏒
Isles were the greatest team ever to play....you can't just selectively pick one season. The Isles won 19 straight series. When someone gets close, we'll talk. Montreal 13, Montreal 10, and Edmonton only 9.
RE:david graham.. Actually the Oilers had more points in 1983-84 than the Islanders. If anything was unfair it was the Oilers not getting 4 out of 7 games at home. Plus the Islanders lost the Playoff opportunity of having Games 6 and 7 at home by losing Game 1 at home even if the Oilers won Games 3,4 and 5 in Edmonton.
19 straight playoff wins , never happens again hang in there Mike bossy
Whether it was 50 shots or not, I remember watching Game 1 and it sure felt like it was about 50 shots. The Oilers certainly poured it on late in the game with wave after wave. I remember being shocked that the Islanders actually won the game at the end. A great way to cap off a great dynasty. Hats off, too, to the Oilers for being a great dynasty in their own right. It was a great time to be a hockey fan.
At the end of that 5 SC playoff, the Isles had played 99 playoff games (+10 the season before the streak, for 109 playoff games in 6 years). What Gretzky confirms in this video is that the Isles were banged up, bad. And that showed in that 5th SC series. The Oilers were extremely talented and FRESH, because they had played only 46 playoff games over that 5 year span. Just less than half as many as the Islanders. In my eyes, that is what beat the Islanders in that 5th Cup Finals.
kyokogodai Exactly right. The injuries and the grind of the playoffs had finally caught up to the Islanders. Butch Goring missed most of the finals, Dave Langevin and a few others were not 100 percent, and the islanders were forced to play overmatched youngsters like Greg Gilbert. In fact the only reason Mark Messier was able to score the goal that turned the series around where he undressed the d-man is because that d-man was rookie Gord Dineen. If the Isles dress all their regulars that game there’s a veteran defenseman out there and that goal doesn’t happen.
Completely true
Too too many injuries to overcome the mighty Oilers
But as posted earlier, it was Edmonton's time to shine
And they certainly did so in impressive fashion
I’m an Isles fan but every team has injuries. Yea the deep playoff runs take a toll but can’t complain. It was the Oilers turn. Isles won game 2 to even the series and had the next 2 games at home but lost 7-2 in both games. Oilers were better
The Islanders had to go through that process too. They choked in 78 and 79 when many felt they were read to be Cup contenders. You have to learn to win before you can win.
Mike bossy would have been “the great one” possibly the greatest scorer in NHL history, if he didn’t get injured he could of been the all time scoring leader.
Islanders need another dynasty!!!!!
Gretzky had a higher GPG average over the same number of games that Bossy played. Gretzky got to 500 goals in only 575 games. Ridiculous. After 10 years everyone’s GPG drops, just as Bossy’s would have done had he played past his prime like Gretzky.
Michael Griffiths after 10 seasons the difference in goals between the two were less than 50. Mike bossy was on par with WG on every record they both had 60+ goal season 9 seasons with 50+ goals and everything else. Bossy was the better player on the better team. If Bossy did not have the injury he would of been the all time scorer.
Silver Surfer Guy - How many 70 goal seasons does Bossy have? Gretzky has 4. How many 80 goal seasons does Bossy have? Gretzky has 2. How many 90 goal seasons does Bossy have? Gretzky is the only one to do it. How many times has Gretzky beaten Bossy’s 50 goals in 50 games mark? Three times: 50 in 39 and then 50 in 42 two years later...and 50 in 49 in 1984/85. I could go on...
Michael Griffiths fine WG had those seasons, but at 10 seasons they were both in the same range goal wise, I don’t believe it was more than 50 goal difference. If Bossy would have played as long as WG if he didn’t have the back injury he could of been the all time scoring leader you can’t deny he was just as good or possibly better than WG. Remember he beat WG 4x in a row.
Silver Surfer Guy - you have that backwards. Gretzky beat Bossy in goal scoring 4 times in a row (from years 81/82 until 84/85) and then Gretzky won it again in 1986/87, making it 5 times in total against Bossy. Gretzky only lost the goal scoring title once to Bossy when Gretz was only 18 years old in 80/81. Gretzky of course demolished him in assists and points that season anyway, winning his 2nd of 8 straight MVPs, but who’s counting.
Bossy the greatest ppg goal scorer ever ..
Just think how many goals he would have if he didn’t only play 10 yrs
Over the same number of games that Bossy played, Gretzky had a way better goals per game. The first 10 years are the prime years, so naturally their GPG were at the peak during that time.
@@michaelgriffiths8068 Not overall. Bossy also had 10 straight seasons of 50. Even the great one couldn’t do it
@@romanlegion2621 - yes, overall, Gretzky wins. Gretzky got to 200 goals, 300 goals, 400 goals, and 500 goals all in less games than Bossy (or anyone in history for that matter). Gretzky got to 500 goals in only 575 games. It took Bossy 647 games. Almost a full season worth of games longer. Bossy also scored 50 goals in 50 games only once. Gretzky beat that number THREE different times. Bossy also never scored 70 goals in a season. Gretzky beat that number FOUR times. All the while out-scoring Bossy just with his assists alone lol. I mean, that else does a guy have to do?
@@michaelgriffiths8068 No overall Bossy wins, what does it say now? Bossy scored 50 10 straight years. Gretzky did not. HIGHER GPG!! As the saying goes, it’s not how you started, it’s how you FINISH! End of story
@@romanlegion2621 - Not at all. During their 10 years in the NHL together:
1. Gretzky: 0.84 GPG average
2. Bossy: 0.76 GPG average
Gretzky wins.
The really crazy thing? Gretzky not only scored more goals than Bossy (583 goals vs 573 goals), but did it in only 696 games. Bossy scored less goals (573 goals) in more games (752 games).
Case closed.
When hockey was great
YOU'LL NEVER SEE ANOTHER TEAM WIN4 OUT 5 LIKE THOSE ISLANDERS
4 straight actually. The Oilers were great but never won more than 2 in a row and I'm guessing that sits in their craw a bit.
Anthony T and still couldn’t even win 3 in a row
@@ANTHONY0808able great record, but not consecutive...that's a different prospect. And I imagine what really plays on their minds are the "what ifs"....what if Smith hadn't banked in the Calgary winner in '86 -- what if Gretzky had stayed..... they might have won 8 or 9 straight.......ahh, what if........
Bruins fan.
Every year the Islanders looked beatable until the playoffs. Then they'd flip a switch and everyone else just waited around to loose.
@@fastfootedone Calgary forced Smith into that mistake and they lost to Montreal after that. Saying 8 straight anyway is a stretch lol. What if the isles don’t lose to Toronto and the rags in 78/79
Real recognizing real.
There combined talent won the 84 Canada Cup. That's for sure
I miss dynasties the way from the 70s and 80s when the Canadians, Islanders, and Oilers were the ultimate kings of their sport. Names and games that you can easily remember today because as a hockey back then they were part of your life. just like in baseball 70s where the names like Reggie Jackson, Sal Bando, Joe Rudi, and Vida Blue still resonate from the Oakland A's with memories today. Sports were so great and fun to follow back then.
Definitely seemed to be a stronger connection between teams and their fans back then. Not so much today. Players no longer remain with teams for life. During the Islanders dynasty, there were 16 players who were there for the four-year run. That wouldn't happen in today's free agent market business first approach.
Great channel!
Not so sure they read that moment right really on the bus as he said. They were not bagged because of winning one Cup. This was after the Islanders had won 4 straight Cups. Of course that team was bagged, no team has even come all that close to winning 4 in row ever since, and that was 40 years ago now. Playing that high level of hockey for that long is no easy feat, in fact it's a ridiculous feat. Arbour was one of the greatest coaches ever, and that team was one of the greatest ever. Making it to 5 finals in a row is a crazy feat in hockey, winning 4 Cups in a row is absolutely legendary stuff. Honestly, if that Islanders club had won 5 Cups in a row, they would pretty much be regarded as the greatest team in NHL history by nearly everyone who knows hockey much at all.
(I'm a lifelong Oiler fan.) I can see the fair case for the '80-'83 Islanders as the best Dynasty team ever -- or at least of the post-expansion era, if you prefer. Those 19 series wins in a row will never be matched. Whereas Montreal in the 70 and the Isles were sort-of well-oiled machines, the Oilers were more a wild, crazy, creative beast. I do think the Oilers were very mature and solid defensively in '87, '88, and '90. I guess the question is -- would you rather have 4 in 4, or 5 in 7?
4 in 4 is a more dominant dynasty , if such a thing can exist. Fans probably cool with the extra championship though.
Gretzky at the end mentions game 1 on the Island where the Oilers won 1-0.....he's right, if the Islanders win that game, they win 5 cups in a row because that game was key. Game 2 Isles smoked them but they needed to get back home and the NHL set up the series to be 2-3-2 instead of 2-2-1-1-1.
Without question
I could not agree more
100% correct on both points
The format, the injuries, plus all those battles in the corners over the years truly take their toll
However, truly as a child-tenager, then as a young adult, I was fortunate enough to watch all of those many games firsthand.
The NY ISLANDERS are truly one of the most impressive, most resilient , and the best team of character I ever had the pleasure of watching.
There is no comparison to any team in any sport that I have ever seen since.
PERIOD !
@@christlopherbrandimarte4520Well said! 👍
True gentleman
damn billy smith with a 53 save shut out in the 80's unheard off
john mike
ron tugnutt came close, but his was in the regular season... less pressure.
not a shutout either
Ben Scrivens (of all goalies) pulled off a 59 save shutout not many years ago during the regular season. And Hasek managed a 70 save shutout in playoff game against the Devils in 1994 that went to 4 overtimes.
I was at game one on the Island for the drive for 5 and I remember Messier crossing the blue line and blasting it past Smitty and I knew at that moment this was their year. Heartbreaking but they earned it.
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Hi John - I was there too, but it was Kevin McClelland who got the goal. the 1984 game was the reverse result of Game 1 in 83 in EDM.
Wow, what Gretzky said around 1:16
35-24 is correct. 50 shots includes those that missed the net.
Wayne gretzky the best to lace em up
Gordie Howe is the GOAT. Gretzky is the greatest offensive player. Orr is the greatest defenseman. Howe was the best at all of it.
I’m an Islanders fan, but knowing that the Oilers looked up to that isles team (and ironically had the same colors blue/orange), Edmonton is my second team
Shots on Goal in that first game were 35-24, not 53-12 !
I'm not sure if the 1990 oilers team should be counted as part of that teams dynasty because gretzky was gone and the 1990 team's entire style of play and key to winning (strong defense, hot goal tending) was much different than the powerful freewheeling offense of the 1982 to 1988 team.
The thing about the 1990 Oilers that i remember, Bill Ranford was incredible as a Goalie for the Oilers that year.
lake erie sailor It was their 3rd cup in 4 years. It's definitely party of the dynasty considering they had the same team for the most part minus Fuhr in net and Gretzky.
Oilers still had a great team and Ranford was amazing that year as the Goalie.
They didn't win in '89, so obviously not a dynasty.....consecutive wins is crucial in any discussion of dynasty.
If I'm not mistaken, Gretzky and Bossy never really got along well when they played. Both great competitors, no doubt there's great mutual respect there today. Something like Crosby and Ovechkin.
Never liked the Islanders. But, always thought they were Great, and Underrated.
Only problem i will always have wth 84 scf is game 1& 2 in nyi games 3,4,5 in Edmonton if but didn't happen games 6& 7 in nyi nyi gotten robbed that year wth the home ice bs smh 2 , 3, 2 Only year it happened 😡😡
outshot 53 to 12 in game one?? it was actually 35 to 24
I knew it was over for the Isles when they lost Game 1, 1-0. Kevin McClellan, basically a fourth line plug, got the only goal of the game for Edmonton. It meant that the Oilers could beat the Isles at their own game: grinding, physical, nasty in the corners. The rest was just mopping up for the Oilers.
Actually, game 2 was 6-1. Then the Oilers won games 3 and 4 by 7-2, and game 5 by 5-2.
The Islanders lost because they were skating wounded and dead tired. They played twice as many playoff games as the Oilers had, over the same period of time. Give the Isles fresh legs, they destroy the Oilers....again.
53-12? I don't think so. Only outshot them by 11, not 41.
It was 35-24 but I recall it feeling a lot worse than that. Smith was terrific and stole game one and took the heart out of Edmonton that night.
I really think it would have bin a 6 Game series instead of a 4 Game sweep if Greatzky had of scored in game 2 instead of hitting the goal post when they were up 1--0 they would have won Game 2 it would have bin a more competitive series but the Islanders would have still won The Stanley Cup in 1983🏆 but in 6 Games not 4 Straight
I don't know where Wayne thought they outshot the islanders 53-12 it was 35-24
The more people tell stories like that the more exaggerated they tend to get over time. When he began telling that story the shots were probably 30-20 but if you heard him tell it today it would probably be like 64-10. It’s something we all do from time to time. Kinda funny actually.
@@RealIslandersPride I mean he was right about one thing, before they knew it, they were done.
"Then we beat them at the coliseum in game 1 next year and got the crap kicked out of us the next night. So Zeigler changed the playoff format so we'd get home ice advantage and play 3 games at home where we had the best chance at winning..." - if Gretzky told the truth
Oh and then in 88 in Boston, the lights went out. But instead of resuming the game in Boston, we asked Z (that's what we called him), to send the series back to Edmonton where we had the best chance at winning..." - if Gretzky told the truth
Edmonton finished with way more regular season points than the Islanders (119 [1st overall] to 104). The Islanders were given 4 games out of 7 in the finals at home. If anyone should have complained about the change, it's the Oilers. And are you actually trying to claim that this change was instituted after game 1!!? Speaking of telling the truth ...!
And in '88, Ziegler quoted the NHL's bylaws as the reason for his decision. This is what Bruins' GM Sinden said in response: "The bylaw really told us what we had to do." (See articles.latimes.com/1988-05-25/sports/sp-3235_1_bruins-play-game). You also neglect to mention that the Oilers were up 3 games to zero, and had just tied game 4 when the lights went out.
Fergus Tyson...It's irrelevant now. The Islanders were pretty banged up by the finals in 1984 and the Oilers time had come. The Islanders team of that era is a legacy. Their 19 consecutive playoff series won is a record that will not be broken anytime soon. From 1975-1984, they went to the final four an incredible 9 out of 10 seasons.
Kind of like the Rangers (who were older and worn out) got the extra day's rest between game 6 and 7 vs the Canucks in '94. Not sure either of those were a conspiracy, but both situations favoured one team heavily over the other.
greatest shuout in finals history when grant fuhr outdueled billy smith 1-0 in game 1 turned the whole series around
reggie pathak actually no the greatest shutouts ever were
Belfour vs Brodeur in game 5 in 2000 finals .. belfour greatest game ever. He kept the stars in that game ... devils won 1-0 in ot
Billy Smith retrospectively commented on that game in an interview years later that "Grant did to us, what I had done to Edmonton the year before"(a 2-0 shutout masterpiece by Smith); the two became golf buddies in retirement...
Oilers and their Campbell conference cake walks. Enough said. Ice packs in their stalls.....Wales conference is why. 19 straight playoff series even gretzky and his idiots couldn't pull that off. Thank you Steve Smith
Had Gretzky not been Traded the Oilers would have won 7-9
Stanley cups.
Look at the oilers fans with that sign. No respect.
They were cocky just like their players, but at the end of the day they never won more than 2 in a row and missed out on being a dynasty, like the Wings, Habs and Islanders before them.
Just a different time, Era, when signs were just made for fun, and NEVER truly meant to be taken to heart. If you need a true example of this, and how hockey fans WERE BACK THEN, for Pittsburgh and Philadelphia I think I can speak for both sides when I say from the '70's-'00's neither club had a bigger rival. And it VERY MUCH carried over into the fans. You DID NOT go into the IGLOO (R.I.P.) with a Flyer Jersey on, and I can only guess, but am pretty sure you DID NOT go into the Spectrum wearing the Black and Gold. If you did, you were probably in for a long night. HOWEVER, in saying that, the day Mario Lemieux took his Last RADIATION TREATMENT for CANCER, He got on a Plane, flew cross state to Philly, Laced 'em up, not knowing what to expect (I'm sure), and stepped onto the ULTIMATE ENEMIES Ice to, what, nothing but a STANDING OVATION!!!! And THAT was 1980's hockey!!!!
Edmonton Oilers we're a much better team than the islanders. Times changed so does history.. both great teams with talented players.. but Edmonton oilers had the edge
Percy Jackson that is a VERY VERY debatable statement. Edmonton was a one dimensional team that never won more than two cups consecutively because they choked against Calgary, and they couldn’t beat the Islanders in not one but two playoff series before 1984. Also one of the main reasons Edmonton had such an easy time in 84 was because they Islanders were nowhere near 100 percent, they were banged up and didn’t field their full roster. The Islanders won 19 straight playoff series and had one of the best lines in the history of the game, To me for someone to say Edmonton was much better is to ignore the history and how it really went down. The Islanders were every bit as good if not better.
Actually, evidentially you are incorrect. The Islanders won 4 in a row, while the Oilers never won more than 2 straight.
@@fastfootedone how many cup wins do the Islanders have??
Imagine if Bossy was on Edm..100 goal season without a doubt.