Upgrade Lowdown: '02 LB7 Duramax Banks Power TechniCooler Intercooler and EconoMind In-Line Tuner
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- In this video, I go over the installation and performance of the Banks Power TechniCooler Intercooler and EconoMind tuner. Because the tuner is focused on towing and fuel economy, the action footage will be of my truck with a 10,000 lb trailer behind it.
The engine and drivetrain of my truck are 100% stock and have over 250,000 miles on them. All of my modifications are engine bolt-ons, so I hope this video shows you just how much power the stock, Allison 1000 can take when you and your tuner respect it.
Thank you for watching!
Banks Power CZcams Channel: / bankspowerinsider
Product Links:
TechniCooler Intercooler: www.bankspower.com/i-1028-int...
EconoMind Tuner: www.bankspower.com/i-1116-eco...
Chapters:
Intro: 00:00
New Parts: 00:54
Parts Installed on Truck: 5:39
Fuel Economy Discussion: 9:26
Old Parts: 10:39
Pre-Driving Discussion: 13:09
Loaded Trailer: 14:31
Uphill, Interstate Driving: 14:55
Uphill, 0 - 70 Pulls: 17:25
Peek at Next Video: 18:18
DING!: 18:34 - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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Nice video, the truck sounds amazing!
Thank you! I love the way it sounds, too! I've watched my latest, #shorts video so many times just to hear it. Haha! Thank you for watching!
My husband and I were behind you at the light at alumni today, and he loved your sticker on the back. He is a big car guy, drives a WRX and he also has a 72 Mach 1 Mustang.
That's so cool! You're the first, local person who has commented on my videos! Please tell your husband that I'd love to meet up and share my truck with you all sometime, if you'd like. Thank you for watching and for commenting!
@@JayRussellDuramax he said “yeah, that would be cool!” 😁
@@Carnivorenursekim Awesome! Reach out to me at Jay.LB7.Russell@gmail.com and we'll figure out the details. Best not to do that in a CZcams comment... Haha!
@@JayRussellDuramax haha, I was wondering how I was going to do that without letting CZcams land know where we all live 😂
@@Carnivorenursekim Yup! I've got that email set up for stuff like this. Let me know here once you've sent it, just to be sure it comes through. Thank you!
New subscriber here!! Wow...that truck pulls hard man!! Thank you for that video!!
Doesn't it, though?! It's so much fun to drive! Thank you for watching, subscribing, and commenting!
Very cool video Jay. I think you’ve sold me on Banks Power upgrades for my 04 LB7. With that said I think I’ll get the economind with the iDash supergauge instead of the six position switch. Thanks for the info and keep the content coming!
That's awesome to hear, Curtis! If you order anything over the phone, please ask for Chuck and tell him that you made your decision based on my videos! That would be a HUGE help to me! Thank you so much for watching and commenting!
Enjoying the build man! I've had a Banks 6-gun bundle on my 01 lb7 for years and still love it. Getting the economind for my 02 4x4 flatbed. Been very happy with Banks for decades!
I'm glad you're enjoying the build! Does the Six-Gun change how the truck drives? The EconoMind doesn't seem to affect how responsive the truck is; it just raises the power ceiling radically. I've got a buddy who's wanting to put a Six-Gun on his LBZ, and we're both curious how different it will be from my EconoMind setup.
That's so neat that you've got two of these LB7 trucks! Let me know what you think once you get the EconoMind installed.
Thank you for watching and for commenting!
@@JayRussellDuramax Big fan of lb7s. Bought my first lb7 in 2008 n still have it. Happy owner of 3(running) lb7s now.
The six gun definitely made a difference on the 01 2500 ccsb. My daily service truck is a 02 never tuned 2500 ext cab. Going from one to the other the response and power is night and day difference. But also a loaded service bed 2500 vs a lowered ccsb. 6gun is quick.. curious about economind. Building this 4x4 dually for dirt roads n pulling trailers so hopefully economind will treat it best.
@@micahblack454 That's so cool that you've got three of these trucks running!
The EconoMind will give you a bunch of additional power for towing a load, but you can tell that it's not meant for performance, as the truck won't spin the tires or launch off of the line. It very much waits for the truck to get going before it adds in any power. Don't get me wrong, though, it's extremely quick; it's just not a race truck.
I think you'll be very pleased with the EconoMind on your dually. As I hope this video showed, it handles a load really well!
I might have to see about buying a Six-Gun and switching between the two to see how different the truck drives!
@@JayRussellDuramax Nice! It'd be cool to see if it would make any difference. Especially with uppipes, downpipe, manifolds, etc.
@@micahblack454 Definitely! If I get one, you'll see a video about it here.
Thank you again for watching and commenting! It really helps me out, and it's always neat to hear about other people's trucks.
Nice truck man I subscribed I've got a lmm i had banks and went to efi live never looking back!
Thank you! I'll stick with Banks for my truck because of how it protects the transmission. I love the fact that my truck is this powerful and the stock transmission can handle it! Thank you for watching and for commenting and subscribing!
@@JayRussellDuramax No problem but a good tuner such as nick over at duramax tuner can absolutely defuel during trans shifts. The reason I'm so set it a custom tune file is simply because all trucks aren't created equal.. that being said with custom tune files we actually data logged while I was working the truck... we were able to get 16 mpg while maintaining egt's between 700 to a 1000... also the turbo braking feature is a life saver on brakes with 130 hp or more of braking power is phenomenal when stopping a load. This is my reasoning... much luck to you and thanks for responding love the content!
@@TheBradd88 You're welcome! I always try to reply to my commenters!
The de-fueling during the shift isn't all that's going on when the Banks tuner is protecting the transmission. Because it has 5 levels of added power, it can pull power back to stock if it detects issues - such as transmission slippage. That's something EFI live can't do, that I know of. The engine makes the power it makes, and the only way for the transmission to say it's too much is to go into limp mode.
My truck is probably making twice as much power as stock, and I've never had the transmission go into limp mode. I've heard stories all over the place of people limping their stock transmission on ECM tunes making much less power than my truck.
Basically, the Banks unit is actively data-logging to make sure the truck is safe while it's also maximizing power and fuel economy. Static tuning can't do that.
Yup! I had the same hole in my hot side charge tube from rubbing on the power steering pressure line on top of the steering gearbox. Luckily I was a fabricator at the time so I welded an aluminum patch over the hole and insulated it from the steering line.
Yeah, I've heard it's a really common problem on these trucks. It's funny to me that Banks Power was able to put a larger pipe in it's place by properly routing it. Both pipes are easy to remove as well. Banks Power really knows their stuff!
Thank you for watching and for commenting!
@@JayRussellDuramax Gale and his team are amazing and good to know they fit even better than OEM!
@@FOXCRF450RIDER Absolutely! I'm thrilled with all of their products that I have on my truck. Please let me know if you have any questions about anything I've done to my truck.
Hi Jay, I really appreciate you putting out these videos. I have an ‘03 extended cab long bed lb7. She’s in the shop now getting her third set of injectors. Going with the SAC style this time with the EFI live programming.
Currently have the Banks cold air and 4” exhaust. Have had two Edge programmers. I have also done most of the front end with Kryptonite parts with Bilstein 5100’s. Better ride and handling.
168,000 miles
These S&S Diesel Motorsport, SAC00 injectors are holding up great, so far! I've been able to make a lot of power with them, too! I'd really recommend the Banks Power tuner that I'm using in this video, rather than using EFI Live. This tuner will protect your transmission and engine in a way that EFI Live won't. My transmission and engine are 100% stock with 253,000 miles on them, and I've had no issues with all of this extra power!
As far as front end parts, I'm looking into the BD Diesel front end kit to replace the stock tie rods, sway bar end links, and center link. I don't do anything reckless in 4WD, so haven't had any issues with the stock steering, either.
Thank you for watching and for commenting!
@@JayRussellDuramax Thanks for your reply! I was wondering if you had changed/and what injectors you were running. I'm getting the LDS 45 over with the EFI live (required to detune them) price was right and great reviews). Banks is definitely a great line of products. Gale Banks is the man!!! Once you make some changes to your front end, you will truly enjoy it. I don't do any crazy off road either. Just wanted almost forever reliability. Thanks again and yes I am a subscriber. Best of luck.
@@vadrifter3200 You're welcome! I appreciate all of my commenters, and I try to reply to all of them.
May I ask what you're paying for the injectors? The SAC00 injectors cost me $2,712 for 8, brand new injectors. I bought them through Thoroughbred Diesel. Since they're not oversized, you don't have to tune anything!
I'm excited about getting new front end parts! Thank you for telling me about your truck!
Thank you for subscribing, too!
@@JayRussellDuramax About the same for brand new except LDS includes the master install kit. I also added glow plugs and new bolts for the valve covers both upper and lower, and hard lines. Age and contamination (salty roads) is what made me go this way. Can't afford to replace the truck, got do almost whatever it takes to keep her running right. Gotta love that torque!
Really appreciate you sharing your journey with your truck.
You are welcome for the subscription! LB7 owners need to stick together! Have you checked out Truck Master?
@@vadrifter3200 You're welcome! Thank you for sharing your journey as well! It's always good to talk to my fellow, LB7 owners. Please let me know if you have any questions about what I've done to my truck. I'd be happy to give an answer in the comments or make a video if the answer requires it. Again, thank you for watching, commenting, and subscribing! It means a lot to me, and I really appreciate each one of my subscribers - especially those with LB7s! Haha!
Great video very explanatory!
Thank you, Sergio! Please let me know if you have any questions about this or anything else I've done to my truck.
Thank you for watching and for commenting!
-Jay
Watching your video again I get lost because I don’t understand where you connect the EGT sensor? Or is not required to have it?
@@MrRollover41 What do you mean, Sergio? Are you asking where the EGT probe connects to the Banks tuner, or where you mount the EGT probe on the truck?
@@JayRussellDuramax EGT probe on the truck?
@@MrRollover41 For this tuner to work properly, you need to mount the included EGT probe in one of the exhaust manifolds.
Man, can I tell you what you got me drooling brother look at all them fancy parts I got 2001 Chevy Dooley 6.6 after look at your motor. I’m ready to go spend some money.
Good video! Looking to do this kit, and the pump rub upgrade.
Thank you! These upgrades work excellently with everything else I've had done to this truck.
What's the pump rub upgrade?
Thank you for watching and for commenting!
@@JayRussellDuramax so the original pump on the transfer case rubs against the housing creating a pin hole leak. Also there is not a mount brace from factory forge tail nose of the case to transmission.. Ppe has a kit.
@@nickledimez4012 Ok. Good to know! I'll look into that. Thank you!
Thanks for that! I have a 2002 Silverado 2500hd 6.6 L Duramax Allison Transmission, Crew cab, Long Bed. Only truck I ever bought brand new, planning to keep it forever. I'm at 280,000 miles, and it still runs strong, does not use a drop of oil, completely stock. Other than the Known injector issue, never had any problems. I just purchased a new Truck camper and have been researching some performance mods to do exactly what you are doing. I just received my Banks Cold Air Intake and Super Scoop, getting ready to install! Looking forward to seeing what that does for it, power wise? I think I will work towards doing the same mods you have done! Thanks for the info and motivation!! I'll be checking your other videos for more info!!👍
Awesome! I love when people comment on my videos with stories like this. That's so cool that you bought your truck brand new and plan on keeping it forever; I want to keep this truck forever, too!
Please let me know if you have any questions about what all I've done to my truck. Also, based on the Banks Power website, the Super Scoop only fits '03 and up trucks. So, if you can make it work on your '02, I'd love to know!
Thank you for watching and for sharing your truck plans with me! I hope things go well for you as you begin the modification process. Please feel free to comment with updates!
@@JayRussellDuramax Check out part number 42168 on Banks site. Says it's for 01 to 07 body style. I'll see when I get it if it fits.
PS:I actually got mine on Amazon, but I double checked the part number on Banks Site to verify.
@@bigjohnpault5788 It says '03 to '07 when I look at it. Regardless, please let me know if it fits! If it does, I may get one for my truck!
I was wondering if it is recommended to get the tuner with the cooler. Also was it it difficult to install? Thanks again for your video!
Hey! All of these upgrades were installed for me by Sutherland Chevrolet. From what I understand, the whole front fascia needs to come off, and the radiator needs to be lifted out of its mounts for you to get the intercooler out. The charge pipes are fairly easy to remove with the wheels and inner fender liners removed.
As far as the tuner, Banks Power says their performance numbers are on a stock truck "with recommended airflow improvements". This tuner used to come in their Power Pack kit that also included the Ram-Air Intake, Monster Exhaust, and the TechniCooler Intercooler. So, if you're wanting this tuner to work its best, I'd get the recommended airflow upgrades to go with it. You won't regret it!
One thing to note, though: My truck also has upgraded manifolds, up-pipes, down-pipe, turbo, and intake horn. Those go way beyond what this tuner was intended to do, but, as you can see in this video, it still works well with my setup.
Please let me know if you have additional questions. Regardless, I appreciate you watching and commenting on so many of my videos! Thank you for being a regular viewer; I really appreciate it
I have the banks economind on my 08 lmm and I love it, but I’ve heard from multiple people that I can’t delete the DPF or EGR with this tuner.
Yeah, that's really the only downside to it: You can't do ANY tuning on the ECM/TCM. However, if you can deal with the emissions, this is by far the safest way to add significant power to these trucks.
Thank you for watching and for commenting!
Thanks for the information. I have the same setup with the PPE exhaust manifold and the Economind. I am installing the Economind and the Exhaust Gas temperature probe has different threads than the PPE manifold port. What did you do to make this work? I think the best option is to drill and tap the manifold, but I wonder what you did. Thanks.
You're welcome! I'm glad the video was useful for you.
The technician at the dealer where I had these installed drilled and tapped the manifold to match the Banks sensor. I've had no issues with it.
Please let me know if you have additional questions about my truck and what I've done to it. Thank you for watching and for commenting!
-Jay
@@JayRussellDuramax Thanks for the reply. I ended up doing the same thing, drill and tap the existing hole in the manifold to the proper size. I wanted to put it on the driver’s side and avoid running the wire all the way across the firewall, but then I reasoned the computer is probably calibrated to account for the length of the wire and put it on the passenger side. It was quite a lot easier to do the passenger side as the manifolds were already installed. I used a magnet to fish out all of the metal shavings.
@@TieCoon777 You're welcome! I hope you enjoy your truck with all of this installed. It all certainly made a big difference for me!
Hey Jay! Thanks for the helpful video. Just got off the phone with Banks tech support. My 6 gun tuner took a crap 💩 along with my intercooler. Will definitely upgrade to the Economind. Wanted to ask you if your interested in selling me your OE intercooler. Let me know. Thanks again.
Hey! I'm sorry to hear your Six-Gun went bad on you. The only issue I've had with my EconoMind is that the knob turns past #6. Maybe there's some secret extra power hidden it... Haha!
I've still got my OE intercooler in my garage! Where abouts do you live? If you're close enough, I could deliver it to you so you can see my truck and how the EconoMind performs!
Thanks Jay for responding so soon. Im in Southern California. I’ve got a spare switch you can have since i went with the iDash.
James
@@rios4137 You're welcome! I live in Kentucky, so the shipping might be quite expensive. Could you email me your shipping address at Jay.LB7.Russell@gmail.com, please? I'll look into shipping options, and we can discuss the details more freely there.
Also, thank you for offering your extra switch! I think that would be helpful to me.
Hey jay i got a question about your banks intercooler? I’ve got an 03 lb7. Do you know the core width of that banks intercooler? Could you find out for me? Interested in buying one.
I know the stock one is 1 5/8” width.
Hello! According to the Banks Power website, it's 25% thicker than the factory one, so that would mean it's 2-1/32" thick. It seems to make a HUGE difference.
Thank you for watching and for commenting! Please let me know if you have any additional questions about my truck and what I've done to it.
-Jay
I’ve had my lb7 since may 2020 and the only reason I’ve left it stock is I’m worried about the head gasket. Had a buddy who had one who didn’t treat it too bad but would get on it from time to time, his went up at 230k and warped the heads. Aka I’m scared 😂
Nothing wrong with being careful, my friend! I will tell you that, after filming this video, the coolant temperature was the highest I've ever seen, ~210 degrees, and I still didn't have any coolant or crank-case pressure! I get on it quite often and I've seen no signs of distress.
When you replace the head gaskets do yourself a favor and install the ARP headstuds and either replace or reseal the injector cup seals. You also adjust the valves. Well worth it.
What level setting have you seen best MPG on? I just installed my economind also. Thank you 🙏🏽
That's awesome, Abraham! What's really neat about the EconoMind is that it maximizes fuel economy in ALL settings. So, the only "setting" you need to worry about is what you're doing with your right foot.
For a while, I drove it around in Level 1 and only turned up the power if I needed it because I thought that would give me the best mileage. However, I've recently switched to keeping it in Level 6 all the time and just putting extra care into what I'm doing with my right foot. Having all of that power on tap whenever I want it is incredible, and my fuel mileage hasn't dropped! If anything, it's gone up a little bit because I have to drive more carefully since the thing is a rocket ship when I put my foot down and can easily get me into trouble if I'm not careful.
I'm so glad to hear from others who are buying and enjoying the same parts I've put on my truck! Though I'm no substitute for calling Banks Power, please let me know if you have any questions about your EconoMind, and I'll be glad to help you out!
Thank you for watching and for commenting!
Thanks you so much for your response. I currently have been driving level 3 thanks again for the info
You're welcome, Abraham! I hope you enjoy your truck!
Dear Sir. Do you have a parts list for this build? I am overwhelmed with all the options on the Banks site. I have an LB7 pushing 350000 miles and my mileage has dropped severely. I was hoping to increase mileage.
Thanks for the great video
Sure! Here's all the Banks Power products I have on my truck: Ram-Air Intake, Monster Exhaust, TechniCooler Intercooler, and EconoMind Tuner.
If you want to go beyond Banks Power, here's what else I've installed: PPE manifolds, up-pipes, and down-pipe; and a Fleece Performance Cheetah 63 mm turbo and ported intake horn.
Installing all of the Banks Power products should be a radical change in performance and mileage on your truck. To be safe, though, you may want to check the balance rates on your injectors before doing any of the Banks stuff. They could be going bad and causing your fuel mileage to drop. I have S&S Diesel Motorsport SAC00 injectors in my truck, and they're incredibly good.
Please let me know if you have any additional questions about my truck and what I've done to it. Thank you for watching and for commenting!
@@JayRussellDuramax thanks
Have you had any problems with the transmission going into limp mode?
Not at all, Keith! The EconoMind is set up such that, if the transmission experiences any slippage, the power is immediately reduced to stock. It rarely happens, but, when it does, you can feel the truck nose over as power is reduced. It'll even feed the power back in once the transmission stabilizes! It's seamless! This tuner is incredible, and I'm amazed at how much power the stock drivetrain can handle.
Some buddies and I did some roll racing, and we all agreed that my truck makes the better part of 500 horsepower to the tires - or about twice the factory output. Many many people will tell you that these transmissions can't handle more than 100 or so horsepower over stock. As I hope you can see by my videos, that's simply not true. These Allison transmissions are incredibly good in stock form; you just need a tuner that makes power in a way that respects the transmission. The EconoMind and Six-Gun tuners from Banks Power are the only ones I know of that do this, and that's why I have one on my truck!
Thank you for watching and for commenting!
I have always had EFI Live....think on this LB7 I will go with all Banks!!
Great! These tuners are MUCH safer than EFI Live because of their active drivetrain protection. That's how I'm able to send so much power through my stock transmission. If you buy the tuner over the phone, please ask for Chuck and tell him that you learned about it from my video. That'll really help me out!
@@JayRussellDuramax This tuner isn't safer than EFI Live. The only time it would be unsafe is if some clown that doesn't know what they're doing creates a crappy tune. EFI Live platform spanks on any other piggyback or flash tuner.
@@2015_Rubicnn Then why does everyone who uses EFI Live talk about hurting these transmissions with much less power than my truck is making?
I emailed with Duramax Tuner, and, even with all of the upgrades I've done to my truck, their maximum power gains were under 100 horsepower at the tires. The Banks tuner puts out more than that on a truck with far fewer upgrades than mine.
@@JayRussellDuramax It's not EFI Live tuning that hurts the transmission, it's the amount of power that gets added. The stock 5 speed can't handle much over 100HP extra over its stock rating. The allison is designed to sense slipping between the input and output of the transmission, and when it does, it goes into limp mode to preserve itself from any more damage. I'm pretty sure tuners like Idaho Rob, Duramaxtuner, PPEI know what they're talking about and limit 5 speed truck tunes to 100HP. If you look at the LBZ and up tunes, thet are rated at 120HP+ for stock transmissions. You'd have to see exactly what the Banks tuner is doing to make these claims..I just don't see how this piggyback tuner can supposedly be safer, yet provide more power, makes absolutely no sense. 🤷🏼♂️
@@2015_Rubicnn It's because EFI Live is static tuning. When you reprogram the ECM, it runs the engine the same way all the time. The Banks tuner is actively monitoring all of the engine and transmission vitals to ensure there are no issues.
The myth that the stock Allison can't handle more than 100 horsepower over stock is propagated by EFI Live tuners that add power in a way that doesn't respect the transmission. The Banks tuner monitors for slippage and pulls power if it senses anything that could harm the transmission. EFI Live does NOT do that. If you tune your ECM with EFI Live in a way that causes the transmission to slip, you don't know about it until you limp your transmission.
These transmissions are very robust and can handle far more power than what these trucks make from the factory - certainly more than 100 horsepower at the tires. If you add power in a way that respects the transmission, you will not hurt it. My transmission has never gone into limp-mode, and my engine is twice as powerful as it was originally.
That thing sounds nasty AF 😳
Thank you! I love the way it sounds, too! Please let me know if you have any questions about what all I've done to it. Thank you for watching, commenting, and subscribing!
nice job long live the working mans diesels who the heck is buying these new ones at 100k?
I have 03 lb7 310k daily driver. stock besides lift pump. its slow, needs to be gone through after this winter front end was rebuilt by me red head steering gear Oem pump and lines are the 2 piece aftermarket style just get the oem ones I would after dealing with them. they are nice but seem either too long or too short.
That's cool to hear that your truck is over 300K miles! I hope to be able to say that about mine someday.
I'm trying to stick with ACDelco for replacement parts whenever I can. Unless it's an upgraded part, the aftermarket struggles to match the fit-and-finish of the OEM.
Thank you for watching and for commenting!
what i like about a manual is instead of downshifting i can just hold the pedal to the floor for fun lol, also my synchros are so messed up often i cant downshift without grinding anyways
Haha, yeah! If I do that in this truck, it downshifts and pulls hard! I tried that on one of the attempts at filming this and, even on that hill, it was gaining speed very quickly. Have you done anything to your truck since last time you commented? I remember you posted that video of you revving it.
@@JayRussellDuramax nah im just saving up for new tires right now
Haha! You and me both... I need new steering parts, too!
Chevrolet is pulling that sorry dodge!
Haha! Yeah. I towed that thing to the scrap yard right after making this video.
Couldn't smoke my Audi 🥱😤
You'd take me off the line, but I think I'd surprise you from a roll! Haha!
@@JayRussellDuramax All depends on where the speed is governed off at! Would be a fun time.
@@slytheuberman2184 My truck is governed to 95 mph. Your dad, Elijah, and I found that out last week!
My truck is a rocket from 20 to 85, though. Take a look at the #shorts video where I go up to 85. Leave me a comment there, too!