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- Jim Jackson joins the show today to talk about Kevin Durant's recent comments about LeBron James being a 'toxic' player and also says that Larry Bird was not a 'transformational' player.
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What are your thoughts about Kevin Durant's comments?
Forget the Durant comments, what about Jim Jackson's comments on LB? ABSURD. Get this man a therapist to work through his issues.
Only selfish players think like KD we all know what he's capable of but he act like he didn't join an all star studded team to win championships.... I say whoever feels like they need to win a championship can put their differences aside and join lebron......... yall still haven't apologized to Javale McGee by the way!!!!
Whitlock will do anything to please his white bosses
True, true & true!!! Hurts the feelings of LeBron fanboys but it's all TRUE!!!
Why do you go to commercial break? He was making a point through the insight of a basketball player. I hope this topic gets brought up again. There is more to understand.
Aside from the obvious fact that Larry Legend was, well, a legend, Larry & Magic literally saved the NBA, so how’s he not transformational?
agreed. the NBA was on life support before those two came into the league.
Larry and Magic came in at a time when the NBA DESPERATELY NEEDED players like them. It started with the NCCA title game and carried over to the NBA and they, as you stated and others have too, SAVED the NBA. If you want to see a great documentary on this check out: Magic Johnson and Larry Bird: A Courtship of Rivals. It is a great documentary and I highly recommend it.
Agreed very well put
@@calabreese There was a lot of things going wrong with the NBA at the time and yes it was on life support.
I guess they mean he didn't make a case for more Caucasian stars after him
Celtics won 29 games the year before Bird. They won 61 his rookie year. Title in his 2nd. Is that “transformational”?
trha2222 That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard all week, congrats!
trha2222 Loser.
@trha2222 Yes and most HS teams would beat Jordan and the Bulls from 1991. Come on!!
@trha2222 Rofl Where do you people come from..theres not a team in the league today that could have beaten the Celtics of the 80s.
@trha2222 And in 2048 every high school team will be able to beat this Warriors team. 🙈🙉🙊
Because 6'9 players were shooting 3s, getting triple doubles and hitting 90% from the free throw line before larry bird.
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Bird was transformational as the real first stretch big man. He bacame the model for players like Dirk and KD.
@@ericlind6581 exactly! speaking legitimate facts right now. Dirk has even been quoted as saying such in the past.
James Lamb Yep those of us who are old enough to watch Bird know that he was the first true stretch big man at 6’9”. Even by today’s standards he would probably be the 2nd best shooter after Curry...but he’s more clutch than Curry.
Joseph Friedman they are clear racist
Bird was so transformational the Celtics picked him a year before he was eligible to play in the NBA. Red knew very early what the willfully ignorant would soon learn the hard way.
Who will I listen to, Kareem and Magic who both said "Larry Bird is the greatest player they ever competed with"? Or Jim Jackson ?
EXACTLY!!!!!!! Jim Jackson was just a flash in the pan.....
If the world ended in 1986, Bird would be the GOAT. That's not even an opinion. That's a fact, coming off 3 straight MVPs and 2 of the last 3 championships including beating Magic in 84.
@@thsu8 if the world ended before the wright brothers man probably would have never flown!!! He was good he is not the GOAT.
Durod Wilson MJ and Kobe are the goats. That came after 1986. That was my point.
@@thsu8 np bro i agree mj kobe, n bird was a bad mother &#$÷@?.
Larry bird could do things at 6'9" that very few human beings have yet to do while not being particularly athletic and when you watch him play it seemed effortless.
Well said, Michael. He moved in slow motion, but when u do that u can see a lot more plays developing at that speed.
@@eriksolner4877 Then he should have been a better defender.
You are totally correct about LARRY Bird
Well Bird was the first White guy in the modern era who could dominate the mostly African-American players in the NBA. It's like the old Rocky movies in that Apollo Creed was modeled after Muhammad Ali and America's obsession to dethrone Ali with the Great White Hope. That never happened but that doesn't stop the narrative.
@@phade2blaq you right Mike
Jimmy Jackson wishes he had 20 percent of what Larry Bird had...facts
Straight up.
@MALO 💯...I was trying to be nice to Jimmy
20% how about 0.5%, add Martin and Jackson combined and it goes to 1%
Quit making stuff personal its opinion yall be tripping out in the comments
Its more like a black and white thing for Larry. Blacks doesn't believe Larry is that good.
If Larry Bird isn’t a transformational player, then I don’t know who is.
fan opinion vs NBA greats who played with and against Larry Legend.
@@casyatbat And you opinion which is useless.
@@richardeast3328 clearly self projection,
take a chill pill.
Or better yet listen to NBA players, search CZcams for:
*NBA players on how good was Larry Bird*
@@casyatbat Yeah right, evidently you weren't listening to the other three people in the segment. Why don't you project yourself performing autofellatio while bathing. Just be careful and don't drown, the world needs fools.
Jim Jackson was too young to have seen first hand how good Larry was. Jim played at Ohio state I think. Pretty good basketball program and had some good players around him. Larry played at Indiana state pretty much unknown program. Larry brought that program to the national title game. The whole time making the players around him better. Jim could you have done what Larry did? Answer no. you didn't have the talent and were too selfish.What gives you the right to trash Larry Bird?
He must be talking about Larry Nance or Larry Johnson, He can't be talking about Larry legend!
lol or larry hughes
@@jlassonful No he was talking about LARRY JO BIRD!!!!!!
The issue is BLACK and WHITE.
Funny, that's a good one.
Larry Johnson is pretty good haha
You absolutely can NOT get ascribed the moniker "Larry Legend" and NOT be transformational!
Larry was the only player that could walk in that room and say I beat every player in his era ! He swept MJ twice ! He beat them all ! Not just in regular games in playoffs and championship games, no one else can say that ! Larry can !
I imagine Bill Russell could say it too
Magic usually got the best of him though, including college..
@@ozz7602 prime VS prime 25 to 30 Larry was better in every aspect stat wise
I don't really like him as a person but Isiah could too. They beat absolutely everyone
Yeah Bird beat Magic, Isiah, Dr J, and mj
Jim Jackson must have lost his mind bird is one of the most "transformational" players of all time.
Dude talking about Larry's locker room aura and he wasn't even there.
Lol Magic and Larry saved the NBA. How is he not a transformational player?
Magic saved the NBA, larry was the wall
Saved the league, but didn’t transform it in any sort
Broken King
Even Johnson said, “There will never be another Larry Bird, period! He’s the only man I feared that he could’ve beaten me on the basketball court”
@@brokenking5044 Just a hater.
@@thedipper6594 Transformed it into a major player. That's more than transformational.
look up transformational on wikipedia and you'll find footage of Larry Bird passing the ball like no other big man, nailing 3's like no other big man, and playing beautiful fundamentally sound basketball like few players ever have - he along with Magic completely transformed not only the NBA but the way everyone started to play by sharing the ball and playing smart
Those were the days. The best basketball I ever saw! Bird was probably one of the most intense athletes in any sport I've ever witnessed. You're 100%correct Magic and Bird changed the game for the better. Then the league ruined it with the whimpy game played today. I wonder how LeBron would have done with Bill Lambier leaning on him.
Niccolo Machiavelli MJ made iso ball a major thing and that has continued through to today, other players did it previously but he was the guy that cemented it into basketball culture
The “who’s team is this” rhetoric that exists pretty much comes from MJ being so dominant
Teams where much more unselfish with structured play and defined positions before MJ, MJ was the main ball handler and scorer to such a degree that it changed basketball and the way a lot of players since have played...
I think anyway 👍
Larry Bird Legend Held His Own. Respect One Bad Man Tough As Nails. Clutch Shooters. Top Five In My Era
I'm a 70's Baby. Celtics Nation. 33
"Larry bird not transformational"
Look at the record of the celtics before drafting him and after drafting him, they went from a lottery team to the eastern conference finals the next season, and didn't add a single game changing player
Yup. Exactly what I was thinking!
Larry Bird's style of play didn't change the game, that's what transformational means
@@likemikegenerationx2 it did tho hahaha 1 of the first 6:10 shooters who do you think Dirk's idol was?
@@likemikegenerationx2 and who do you think paved way for LeBron type players? Bird was among first all-around game monsters who could dominate game on so many different ways from scoring and passing to dominating glass...and most importantly it was Bird who gave those Celtics teams their basketball identity.
You must love how casuals and scrubs this days have propensity to comment on things they know absolutely nothing about SMH
There is a saying Wise Man shame is Fools pride...
Because these two are role players. Ask Magic, Barkley, Isiah Thomas, etc. about Bird. Sure, these other franchise players would tell a different story because they see Bird as an equal.
Larry Bird was the man. I don't know what he's talking about.
Johnny Swanson what did he do that has been done??
Greatest shooter and an even better trash talker in one of the toughest times of the NBA....
True that... I'm black and was... Is a baller... Larry bird was the truth
Are you buying Larry's shoes?
@@cmoneyno5 are you buying magic Johnson shoes? He still a top 5 ever.
Twitter was named after Larry Bird!!! That's so transformational I can't see straight!!! (It's true, look it up)
Jim Jackson is an embarrassment. Zero credibility. LeBron wishes he were as clutch as Larry Bird. Magic and Larry saved the NBA and this joker flat-out disrespects Bird? Jackson should be grateful he never had to guard Bird, because Larry Legend would have dropped 40+ on his arrogant arse.
He would have dropped 40 using only his left hand lol
Larry would still drop 40 on this fool.its cause Bird is white
Larry would be average in today's game. Slow as ice water.
@@praiseyahweh6159 yeah like jokic or doncic are average players now
Muckbio less yeah Larry was a monster in the hand check era, but he would be "average" in the era where you cant touch anybody. You're clearly very intelligent. (Sarcasm)
This is the hottest take I've ever heard. Cant believe he said Bird isn't transformational.
Marquis Caston He’s not. He’s an All-Time great, on everyone’s top 20 list, and an amazing shooter. *BUT* the game didn’t change because of him.
The league changed because of Magic’s Showtime as a 6’9” *Point Guard* , it changed because of Jordan’s meshing of Skill and Pure Athleticism, and Steph Curry’s reliance on the 3( He takes more 3’s a game, than any WHOLE TEAM Larry Bird was on)
That’s what makes a transformative player, which is a different metric than just great. The League never changed its rules or play style because of Larry Bird. Magic, Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, and Steph can ALL claim that distinction.
@@cjwrench07 are you crazy? the game DID change because of Bird- AND Magic. Bird was the best player on THE best team of the 80's. MVP's, chips, etc. that Boston/LA rivalry saved the NBA and led to the 90's Bulls.... check yourself
Eric Shanley Magic would have been great without bird and Magic was the transformational player of that generation
iman Last and bird would of been great without magic. Y’all quit hating on bird the only small forward on the same level of him is Lebron
Doctor Cthulhu 50/40/90
LeBron is transformational but not Larry Bird....Jim Jackson must be one of those fan boys KD was talking about....3X MVP, 2X FMVP, 3X NBA Champion, Rookie of the year, 50-40-90 club, 24, 10 and 6 career avg....Can't get any more transformational than that.
Don't get it twisted, LeBron is one of the most transformational players ever, almost Jordan-esque. Larry was transformational too, but not the way LeBron was.
Yea but Is anyone buying Larry's shoes??
@@cmoneyno5 That's where part of the problem starts and began . Taking nothing away from Jordan's greatness but there has probably never been a bigger beneficiary of a slew of perfect storms except maybe Ali but in a different way .
@@cmoneyno5 Nobody is talking shoes sales if was by that kyrie would be top 5 haha
It's more than just shoe sales too... I used shoe sales as an opening premise.... Bird's persona and energy is what Jim Jackson was alluding to not his basketball accumen
Jordan himself will tell you Bird was a informational player. Bird/Magic made the NBA into a global powerhouse.
You must mean transformational player? No! Magic/Bird saved the NBA. Jordan made it a global game!
Jackson talks about aura in a room. Remember what Isaiah said... “if you put Magic, Jordan, Bird and Isaiah in a room, Bird would probably be the guy who walks out of the room at the end of the day”. Ask all the greatest players whether Bird was transformational. I know what they’d say.
Those who played with and against Larry know exactly how good he was and Larry would let you know how good he was. He was the biggest trash talker out there when he was playing.
Nice!! Great job!! I was gonna point that out thst quite too
man Larry Bird was a bad man. if Bird played today He'd be shitting on everyone!
Especially that the league doesn't play D anymore. When Larry came in the league the 3 had just been implemented! Larry is part of the 50/40/90 club!
I agree.
He could still score, but he would be to slow and way and I mean way to un athletic to cover guys today. LeBron, Ad, the greek freek. LMAO
MAGIC, BIRD, ISAIAH the old 3kings until JORDAN...STEPH, LEBRON, DURANT the new 3kings until ZION
El Manyacko that's one of the misconceptions about Bird. The way he looked I'm sure made lots of people feel stupid when they played him. Being a play maker really had nothing to do with physical speed. Magic wasn't all that fast either. They just had superb vision
Jim is confusing "dynamic personality" with "transformational player". Larry was never a handsome, social butterfly type who could dominate a room with his personality... but he an all-time killer on the court and MOST DEFINITELY transformed the game with his bball skills and iron will.
tclass99 Amen
Well put
Real talk
He also won NBA coach and executive of the year awards, so he had some other stuff going for him other than basketball skills.
Larry was cooking whoever.. Doc J sucker punched him because he was getting exposed
Jim Jackson must be racist . Larry Birds "Aura" was so far beyond Lebron to the other players that he was playing against. Players are nowhere near as scared of Lebron as they were of Bird
That's the truth. Bird was as strong of a leader as anyone who has ever played the game. He was a phenomenal talent and very unselfish on the court compared to guys like LeBron in today's game. You would not see Bird hold the ball for 90% of a possession, but he would have a massive impact on the game and make his teammates better across the board.
How is he a racist when stated that he loved Larry 🤔
You mentioned race. He did not
Bron beat 4 HOFers that won 73 games while leading in every stat category... that ends this debate regardless of era...
Moto JoJo 4 hall of famers? Care to enumerate?
Michael Jordan was oh for six against Larry Bird never beat them in the playoffs. Does the best player ever I disagree with this commentary
He must not know who Larry is.
He has no idea...
I actually agree with him. He's not talking about if he was great. The energy is what he's referring to. There's something different. It's not a knock on larry. But the game changed when Dr. J showed up. The game changed when jordan took over. The game changed when lebron took over. When these three players walk in, they're bigger than basketball. Jordan literally had A WHOLE GENERATION change how they celebrated .....and how they dressed and acted. Lebron changed how players move in the league. Stuff is not the same since Lebon went to Miami. Players look at free agency TOTALLY different. Superstars are signing 2 plus 1s with options to leave after year 2. Even steph changed how the whole league looks at 3pt shots. It ain't like the 3 wasn't here before steph. He just transformed how the game is approached, by how he shoots the 3.
sholove Sholove bird was one of the most clutch players to ever play the game lol
@@NothingElseMattersJM He still didn't change the game. Name one way Bird changed the game because of how he played
I get your point. But did LeBron do, that changed the game because of how he played?
I get Dr J, Curry, Jordan, Magic being a tall PG with flash, the Ice Man, etc. I don’t get what LeBron does style-wise that’s transformative, that Rick Barry and Bird (or Havlicek, English, etc) weren’t doing before him back in their days. SF’s who can score and pass with the best of them.
LeBron’s a lot more Karl Malone and Wilt than he is Magic or Jordan; are kids really wanting to mimic his style?
Magic Johnson even said during his HOF speech that Larry Bird brought out the best in him. He went on to say that Larry was the best player he EVER played against. The NBA was losing money before Magic and Bird came into the league. Those two players literally saved the NBA and made it possible for the huge network deals that followed that helped to pay Jim Jackson's salary. If that's not trans-formative, I don't know what is.
they didn't save the league, they help it. now what really help them was he was black and and he was white and during those times that's what made it a rivalry if u want to call it that.
Well said
REAL. TALK
Lemme tell you how great Larry was...
If I need to win A basketball game---
In their primes, I take larry over lebron everytime...
Magic was exaggerating right there...everybody knows Michael Jordan is the greatest player he ever played against
You see Dirk Newitzki? You see stretch 4s? You see Lebron James? Steph Curry shooting from half court? That's how Larry transformed the game.
Actually, Sam Perkins was probably a bigger influence on stretch bigs.
Ped Exzing who? Exactly
@@pedexzing9913nah man, Bird invented that fade shot Dirk and LeBron use
Larry Bird is in a league of his own .Do not disrespect the man's intelligence on the basketball court.
Larry bird was hype because of magic greatness
@@j.cwilkins1455 Let me guess, you must be racially biased. Go look at Bird's numbers. Did Magic get those numbers for him too?
@Nathan gamezio facts I have bird SECOND ALL TIME. Right behind Jordan.
@@j.cwilkins1455 hype??? HE LIVED UP TO IT!!. While Jordan being in the league but still rather young and Magic in the league during the 80s from like 84 to 87 Larry was considered to be the best player on the planet!! For those years. He won 3 STRAIGHT MVPS!! WITH JORDAN AND MAGIC IN THE LEAGUE! So tf u talking about!??
@@j.cwilkins1455 From 80-86 Bird was easily better than Magic. Look at the stats, look at the 3 rings, look at the 3 straight league MVP's and look at the 2 Finals MVP's in that time period. Magic's health just held up longer than Bird's did.
Larry bird along with magic saved the nba in 80s . Without them the league wouldn't be where they are today . This scrub should show some respect . Utter tool
@rich pesos it's not though is it
FacT' Magic was black Larry was white what basketball did not NEED was another GREAT black player at that time, if Magic has NO Bird theleague MIGHT have collapsed and those are theFacTs AND NOW You know theResT of theStory.
Christopher Reilly Birds career was based on the subject of RACE watch the documentary on MAGIC&BIRD done by HBO and they talked about WHITE PPL publicly complaining about seeing too many black players in the NBA in the ' 70s.
@@TheMimetolithman Why not have another great black player??? this is a question that I have always wanted to ask what if those Celtic teams had gotten swept by the Lakers and the Rockets in the NBA FINALS would Bird still be viewed as a great player by the public in Boston!!!!
@@dwightlove3704 are you serious . Bird was the least racist guy ever . If others took it as race that is their problem . Bird was the baddest man in the 80s . Transcended race . Guy is top 3 all time
Bird in his prime - between 1982-1987, may have been the GOAT. His career was cut short by his awful back problems, but his stats were better then Lebron's.
And diving for all those loose balls, taking hard fouls, etc..
@T Dillinger lebron isn't anywhere near the goat. If bird forced teams to play him at point guard in the lebron james system so he could accumulate statistics to trick people into thinking he's the greatest birds numbers would have been ridiculous. LeBron CANT play in an offensive system that isn't his offensive system
@T Dillinger My top 3 is 1. MJ 2. Lebron 3. Bird. If you factor in longevity tho I can see putting a guy like kareem ahead but to me those are the 3 best most impactful players ever. Bird edges magic too for me cause of him being more complete as a player.
Until 88, he was 2nd in mvp in 88, people also forget.
That’s the problem though Bird’s prime was only five years. LeBron has been the best player in the league for at least 10-15 years. That’s why he has easily surpassed Bird as the greatest SF ever.
I love Marcellus face when Jimmy Jackson said bird wasn't the baddest man to ever shoot a basketball.
LOL@Bird wasn't a transformational player. Oh really? Let's see, before Bird, what other forward was known as a "point forward' in the NBA? NO ONE. But Bird became that player. Before Bird, what other forward could pass like he could? NO ONE. But Bird was also that player. The year before Bird arrived in Boston, the Celtics had the NBA's SECOND WORST RECORD. After Bird's rookie year with more-or-less the same team, Boston was TRANSFORMED into having the LEAGUE'S BEST RECORD (an NBA-best 32 W-L differential).
Larry Bird was the EPITOME of a transformational player.
Actual James Worthy was called a point forward by Brett Musburger that's who started the point forward phrase
K Adams lmfao no, bird was an mvp worthy’s rookie year.
1st EVER 50-40-90 and he did it twice
I think Jim Jackson is equating aura with personality. In THAT regard NO, Larry Bird does not light up a room like say the Michaels and Magics of the world, but neither does Kareem. And you can't tell me that Kareem wasn't transformational
No, the sky hook was not transformational. LOL!!
I agree.
Yes, he's talking about charisma. Charisma has nothing to do with skill and achievement. The world is full of charismatic frauds.
And Larry Bird liked it that way.
Daniel Kelegian If it was these modern day centers would be worth something.
Larry Bird:
-The first stretch 4. He invented it, literally.
-Without Bird and magic, the NBA would not exist. Get that? The NBA would be bankrupt. No Michael,no Kobe,no lebron,no Garnett,no Hakeem, lol the list goes on and on.
- The only white guy in the top 10 all time players. He's in the top 5 all time with anyone with knowledge of the NBA, and basketball in general.
The NBA would be in mighty fine position if lets say LeBron played in the 70s/80s
You're probably right. Before Magic and Bird the NBA was a fringe league looking for an identity. Those two and their rivalry brought it into the mainstream and laid the foundation for it's future success. If they hadn't come along when they did who knows where the NBA would be today.
Please it was Larry NOT Magic just what the league needed another GreaT BlacK player'
Please man. Jimmy Jackson is a know nothing who never was. Bird would've dropped 40 on him in 3 quarters then relaxed on his back with Gatorade towel.
Bill Murray said it best in Space Jam: "Larry's not white. Larry's clear."
😂😂😂
There's not a problem with being white. My gosh, political correctness says you're not supposed to bash anything non-white while bashing everything that is white. I'm sick of it. I'm so very sick of it.
@@ronaldm.6150 What does that have to do with a joke from Bill Murray?
tayag2003
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Larry honorary black man
How is magic transformational but Larry isnt that makes no sense they went back and forth in the 80s and Larry is the only player to win three straight mvps if magic is transformational then so is Larry
I'm pretty sure its not based on play, it's based on the perception the people have of them as all time greats
@@bluntsensei I think almost everyone has Larry bird in their top 10 and I'm sure people would call shaq a transformational player who's also a top 10 player so is Jim Jackson only considering top 5 players as transformational
@@TheInferno0099 the way he's wording it yeah only 3-5 players might actually deserve that transformational label
Magic was a 6'9 PG. That's why he's considered a transformational player. The league had never seen anything like him.
@@bluntsensei seems like it
If Bird wasn’t transformational, no player was.
Reggie Miller put it best when he said that in today’s game where a defender can hardly touch you Larry Joe would be unbeatable.
And as the great man once said “I could get a triple double every night but it wouldn’t mean my team would win as much”
Dey trippin on Bird frfr. Larry was a once in a lifetime player
Marcellus Wiley is killing this - You know Jim Jackson Messed up by the reaction to his Larry Bird take. They like whaaaaaaaaaat!! Haha
TyEng 12 yep you hit it on the head. For anyone looking for when this starts: 5:29
Mj
Wilt
Kareem
Magic
Bill russel
Lebron
Kobe
Shaq
Hakeem
Dr. J
Broken King How is it possible you have Wilt at 2? His Resume is nowhere near that of Kareem, Russell or even Kobe. He was dominant in a league with 8 teams made up of 5ft11 white guys and even then he couldn’t win titles. Wilts a great but top 5? Naaaaah
Dan L Larry Bird is the definition of a ‘Transformational’ NBA player in that he Transformed the league. The NBA at the start of the 80s wasn’t what it is today. Jim Jackson’s either stupid or ignorant
@@tyeng1295 Because Wilt redefined the NBA period. they had to change so many rules because of Wilt. He was THAT PROLIFIC of a player. You most def are too young or have never seen vintage games with Wilt in it.
Jackson talking absolute rubbish. Bird transformed the Celtics from a poor team at the end of the 70s to a 3-time champion within 6 years! And he had a big influence on transforming the league in the early 80s. There has not been a player more transformational than Larry
Jim Jackson throwing racial shade on Larry Bird!!! This man needs to get educated or fired. Both.
I didn't hear him say anything racial.
Larry Bird not a transformational player?
Lol gtho.
Not a top 10
Kenyon Martin is right great talent but didn't transform the game!!!!
Soji SideQuest go learn the meaning of “transformational or transformative and apply it in the context Jim Jackson said it and you’ll end up agreeing with him. Magic, 6’9 point guard transformed the game with showtime basketball. MJ transformed the game with a combination of the most elite skills plus the most elite athleticism in one human body. Steph Curry transformed the game with 3 point shooting range, spreading the court and increasing the value of the threat of 3pt shot. Larry Bird, one of the greatest of all times and one of the best shooters ever was great, don’t get it wrong, but the game didn’t transform or change because he did anything new nor did players/team start trying to play his style or like him. Same thing with Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, D Wade etc, all dominant players and some of the greatest players but they didn’t transform the game. Now to personality, MJ has a transformational personality. Jim Jackson is right when he says there’s a different energy when MJ would walk into a room because we’ve heard other players, even great players, all stars, say the same thing. Some described it as an aura of reverence and sudden silence when they saw MJ walk in. Magic was different, he transformed a room with his laughter and infectious smile, brought everyone along and made it a happy place. Larry did his thing too but not transformational in that sense.
Magic and Larry transformed the NBA together... If any of you understood what was going on with the NBA prior to their arrival you wouldn't be having this conversation. In fact other than Wilt literally transforming the NBA in terms of rule changes, a person with common sense would argue no other person(s) made more of a changed to a sport than both Larry and Magic. Playoff games were taped and replayed, teams were losing lots of money, players only cared about money. There was huge disconnect between the fans and the players. Both Larry and Magic only cared about winning. That's how they changed the game. Magic isn't Magic unless there is a Larry there to push him...just ask Magic!
@@bbaker2474 You're so right. I was a Sixers fan during the era and believe me when I say that I hated the Celtics and Larry Bird in particular. But as you mentioned, the NBA was a dying league in 1979. Magic AND Larry changed that. One couldn't have done it without the other. And both players had transformational skills, too. You had a 6'9" PG who could pass, rebound and score while Larry was a prototype for the modern stretch-4... a forward who could rebound, shoot from outside, and he could pass almost as well as Magic could. Both players also had the same killer instinct that Michael had and that every legend has to have.
Larry Bird once walked in a locker room full of three-point shootout participants, stared at everybody, then said: "I'm just looking around to see who's gonna finish 2nd." Every single person in the room fell silent. One of those people was Craig Hodges, who still holds the record for most makes in a round and most consecutive shots made.
Isnt that from the same year he didnt even bother taking off his jacket and still won the contest?
@@donovanmccat7254 He only took off his jacket in his first 3pt contest. So most likely, yes. Not sure about his loss in 1990 though.
@@donovanmccat7254 yes correct and threw up the Deuce after lol but somehow he ain't transformational doe smh
At one point during those contests, he even banked a three just to amuse himself. The announcer then exclaimed "Oh, give me a break, Larry!"
jp3813 he participated in 3 and won 3
He's not called Larry the legend for nothing.
The greatest to ever put on a Celtics uniform if not the greatest foward in nba history!!!
Larry Legend is a better small forward than queen James.
Aegon Targaryen seriously he was, and he’s a better passer than LeBron whilst not enforcing the system LeBron does. He played offball.
the 2016 Finals proves your completely wrong... Bird in no way was a better defender or passer then Bron quit lying to yourself..
This proves Jim Jackson doesn't know basketball.
arthurleme im sure he knows more then us lol
@@raymondbrockett8727 Speak For Yourself *ba dum tss*
Yet he managed to play in the NBA for 14 years 🤔
Jim jackson was the leader of the mavericks with mashburn and jason kidd... It was jim jackson who led the team
Never even heard of him. 🤷♂️
Larry Bird is arguably the purest offensive weapon in basketball history. He was a winner, and transformed the jump shot as we know. Jim Jackson, I f w you, but you’re plain wrong man.
TehSnipedown KD
What's "l f w"?
TehSnipedown transformed the jump shot as we know it? How did we know it before him? Check Rick Barry’s stats and they are comparable, even when hand checking was allowed and no three pointers. Not to mention he was a better free throw shooter. Lead the Warriors to a championship with two rookies (Keith Wilkes and Phil Smith) starting. Check his CZcams bio. More pure than Kareem? Come on bruh.
Richard Michael Conley Rick Barry played in the watered down aba and Kareem really ? He got carried by magic
But he is not better than LBJ hand down
CLASSIC Segment. When I watched this live, Whitlock’s reaction had me DYING
History has dubbed him Larry Legend. Nuff said.
Bird led the Celtics to the biggest turn around in nba history his rookie year. If that isnt transformational im not sure what is. Jim Jackson keeps saying his definition of transformational might be different to others but id say that stat alone makes what he is saying objectively wrong. It's crazy how older players get more and more slept on...
The concept of using a tall efficient long range shooter to spread the floor was a direct result of Larry Bird's play. He literally has had an influence on how the game is played for decades. LeBron and KD are two different evolutions of the influence Bird had on the game.
And to an extend Steph Curry as well except that Bird had even more tools in his belt than curry, lebron, or kd
Dave Charland ok you have a bunch of knives, machetes, swords, blades, I have a single gun I’m still more dangerous than you.
mrslash blade Bird was better than steph and kd.
Human Effigy he’s not better than Lebron
mrslash blade at his peak he was, he just didn’t have the longevity of lebron.
Wonder what Magic thinks of Jackson’s comments? Guessing he would completely disagree with his statement, which wasn’t thought out by the way.
Lmao "my transformational is totally different"
"weve learned that"
By transformational, I assume he meant to a young Jimmy Jackson?
Pat Riley: "I'd want Jordan to take the shot with the game on the line. I'd want Bird to take it if my LIFE
is on the line."
Jim Jackson you gotta take some time off man. I really can't put up with the BLASPHEMY that came out of your mouth.
Kenyon Martin is 100 right great talent but did transform the game...
Facts Larry bird not transformational wtf you gots to be kidding Larry and magic saved the n.b.a..They weren't putting any n.b.a games on t.v until bird magic came through.The n.b.a was a dying product ugh.These young dudes are killing me.
Check what Kd just said about this Lebron media just recently and refer back to what he said.
OK OK STEPHEN A SMITH
He's a bum anyway.
I’m not sure the average person understands just how good Larry Bird was.
You're right. They don't.
Magic and Larry saved the NBA that's transformational.
Larry is not a transformational player ? What !!. Rookie bird turned the Celtics 29-53 to a 61-21 winning team. Bird won 3 consecutive mvps. Was the best player in his prime in the 80’s and yeah better than Magic. But yeah is not transformational...
Um I wouldnt say better than Magic. It's very close but the 5 titles vs 3 swing it in Magic favor.
Marquis Caston I mean magic play with 3 other number one overall pick and probably the greatest center ever. And don’t forget that the western conference was not that good in the 80’s bro so that was more easy for him to go in the finals and win because he have not to play all time team like the 76 sixers of dr.j and Moses, The bad boys pistons, bulls team on the rise with MJ, Cleveland with price and daughtery or the hawks of Dominique so that was more easy to win in the finals because they didn’t have to play against this kind of team before. But I still think that magic is greater than bird because like you say he has 5 rings. What I trying to say in my last post was that prime bird was better than prime Magic but of course that’s arguable.
Yea that was silly bird is a transformational player. A top 10 player for sure but not a top 5 player. He wasn’t that athletic and didn’t really have a personality off the court. That’s probably what he means.
Justin Dminic no he means that bird is not a transformational player like MJ, Magic and lebron because according to Jackson is not on that caliber.
Yvans Kareem and Magic are better than Bird.
whaaaaaaaaat???? Lol, If Larry Legend was not "transformational", how is it his jersey REMAINS one of the best selling NBA jerseys today? 35 years down the line??? uh???? I can´t believe I just Heard that, he saved the league
Cause he was a great WHITE player that could compete.
Barry smythe he was great regardless of skin COLOR.
Oh, come on! it is true that the league was in trouble because White audiences did not feel identified with the players back then, that was in 1979... but you can´t put it on Larry Legend! He was unique and brought excitement to the league with his competitive nature and "I will do it in your face" attitude. regardless on who is someone´s favourite player, and there are so many, i don´t think anyone can say Bird was not "transformational", he was beyond that. So it was Magic, Kareem, Dr J, West, MJ, etc, and that´s why people still buy his t-shirt, his shoes, watch CZcams documentaries... you name it.
My All-Time starting 5:
1) Magic Johnson
2) Michael Jordan
3) Larry Bird
4) Tim Duncan
5) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Let the debate begin!
I'd put Hakeem Olajuwon in, other than that nice list
I got Chamberlain over Kareem & Russell over Duncan, other 3 are good
@@willmorrisusa Wilt C number one, Larry and Magic fighting it out over number two. Four and Five don't even matter but the top three are never going to be unseated.
Gimme Karl Malone over Duncan by just a little bit...
@@MrVegasdeuce bruh... no
Well, Larry B. transformed the modern NBA (along with Magic co-equally) into a true top tier sport in the 80's and there is no doubt about that.
I sure hope Bill Simmons doesn’t see this video. He might have a heart attack.
He would have a lot to say.
LOLOLOLOL facts brodie 💯
I'm sure you didn't
Stephen a smith loved it though.just saying
what have Kenyon Martin and Jim Jackson done in the nba to even talk about Larry Bird in that light, we know Larry Bird when he walks in we don't know you!!
kenyon martin didnt talk xrazy there so i cant say anything but jim jackson needs to check his tone
@info gathering for life
Bird is a top 10 player of all time. His game translates to any era and he would dominate anyone anyone past, present, or future. He's transcendent.
@info gathering for life Bird is the best passing sf of all time and the best rebounder ever at his position , first to ever post a 50/40/90 season etc
I've watched them all and the last player you ever want to take the last shot against you is Larry Bird how's that for transformational
@info gathering for life Jordan was a more athletic Black Jerry West, Kareem and Wilt are pretty much the same player, Lebron is a Black Bird with a losing record in the Finals, and Dirk is not relevant.
Let’s see is this fellow Jackson in the Hall of Fame? When we say Jimmy Jackson I have to look them up, when we said Larry bird I don’t have to read about him I don’t have to watch a video I don’t have to hear someone tell me about the stats, he is a legend not only in his own time but throughout the NBA history
LOLLLL, man this was harlarious!!
Holly **** Larry bird not transformational ?!???!? What is this ???? Jim Jackson go check yourself ASAP !
I dont even have him in my top 10
Broken King that shows u dont know 🏀 at all
+BASELINE JORDAN!!!!! bird is not in the top 10 if you consider the the last 2 decades
+BASELINE JORDAN!!!!! bird is not in the top 10 if you consider the the last 2 decades
Lamont Jackson thats asinine considering he was arguably better than magic (especially in his prime)
someone may wanna remind him that Larry's the main reason Michael didn't get to the finals til his seventh season, his colleagues scarcastic laughter at him says it all
The Bulls were stopped by the Pistons in Jordan's 5th and 6th seasons.
Let’s not forget Isaiah. He won back to back titles and if not for BIRD, he’d have a couple more. Jordan never beat Bird and took him years to beat Isaiah.
Jordan went 0 for 6 against Bird in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@sas6561 You're right on that point.
Larry Bird is the only person Jordan never won a game against in the playoffs Larry swept him twice and if you look at history Larry Bird is the only person to beat every single superstar in his time Jordan can't even say that because he never beat Larry when all the money was on the line and I think Jordan was the greatest ever then bird
Larry and Magic were joined at the hip. You really can't talk about one with out the other. They both had the same philosophy about team play and were force multipliers. Larry could literally play every position at an NBA level and was crazy good at adjusting his game to match the strengths and weaknesses of his team.
Larry wasn't transitional he just did everything better than everyone else and made it look easy.
Jimmy Jackson has lost his mind... Larry Bird is Transformational....ask Magic and Jordan is Larry Transformational....
I agree
MasterMindz 💯
Lost all respect for Jim Jackson after watching this. I will never listen to any of his takes. He just ruined the show. They need to get rid of him ASAP.
I understand slipping and giving a dumb take, but he doubled down.
Yeah you right Jimmy is full of shot
It's all subjective who cares.
Explain how Larry Bird was transformational. He was a great player...He did not transform the game...If he did give some examples.
@@sherrodmacs3472 if u don't know, then u don't have a grasp of the history of the NBA & basketball in general.
Merry Christmas!
Jim Jackson tripping about Bird!
My God, Larry schooled MJ, he schooled everybody. There has yet to be a player as skilled as Larry Bird. Period
Larry joined the Celtics who had the worst record in the league. They were instantly a contender with him as a rookie. How is that not transformational? Has one pick ever paid immediate dividends like that? He was one of the first deadeye shooting big man too. The disrespect is unreal!
Well @J Rich will tell you that's because the league at the time was filled with untalented 'cab drivers', lol He sure knows his stuff!
@@joekunis9986 I wonder how he feels being a MJ and Kobe cab driver 😂
I think his definition of the word is skewed. It sounds more like hes talking about the sheer star power that comes with the Lebron or Jordan branding alone. Larry was a legend and is way up there with anyone whos played the game but you can go to small town in India for example and they know who Mike and Lebron are and maybe Kobe.
Butter Johnson DONT MATTER BIRD DIDNT HAVE THE SAME IMPACT CULTURALLY AS LEBRON KID AND I WAS AROUND THEN! AND ANYONE SAYING SO IS A LIER!
Joe Kunis the league for the past 12 years has been half full of guys that should still be sophomores and juniors in college and that revolving door is perpetual every year. Lebron is a crybaby that gives up when times are tough. He would not been that great in Bird/Magic/ MJ era!
Kenyon “know what I’m sayin” Martin
lol
lololol love it
Yeah, I was just watching him as a guest on The Herd, and noticed how many times he says that...So I was like "let's see how many times he says it here". And he does so in the first sentence. 😂🤣
@ In other words, he doesn't mimic an articulate white guy enough for you?
😂
Larry not transformational...lol. Michael Jordan couldn't make it through the finals until Larry retired
Stop talking idiot
Wiley-"Go to commercial, they gonna CZcams us for this" 😂😂😂
Larry Bird is GOAT
Wow tooooo overrated
JP H nope watch his highlights, three time mvp in Jordan era, he’s more underrated
I agree Larry legend is goat level
Bill Russell. Wilt. Oscar Robertson. MJ. Larry. GOAT is a changing marker - definitely in the conversation but not definitive.
it's hardly about when a player walks into the room. It's about what the player does on the court, and that my friends was the only thing that mattered to Larry Bird.
To quote Magic Johnson....”Larry bird was the only person I feared” “he was so good it’s frightening” Isiah Thomas -“if you put me Jordan, Magic in a room...Larry would probably be the one who walks outta the room”
Whem Bird walked in the room..and asked "whos coming in second?"..and backed it up..stop JJ stop
Not understanding Jackson's point about Bird. Clearly he has a different definition of transformational. Lol
As the conversation continued I began to think he might not know what "transformational" means. Like a kid that heard a big word he likes.
@@thanksfernuthin Haha
His very own and stupid definition...
Yeah, he's basically saying you need a shoe deal and glitzy glamorous attention whoring.
I think he just went nuts.
@@kvltizt Even then that's strange though since Bird was a notable figure throughout the world. My own mom who doesn't even come from this America said Bird was her favorite player growing up. It's just weird he says that when his significance was pivotal in basketball.
Jim Jackson is off on this one.
Larry Bird carried a 29 win Celtics to a 60 win season, single handedly .. not transformational ... Lebron gave a tanked Cavs 18 win improvement. Transformational lol 😂
The best thing that happened to Jordan was Birds retirement.
No, the best thing that happened for MJ was the Pistons losing players to free agency and expansion and Bird suffering that back injury.
Bird was finished by the time Jordan took over the league the mans back was done
LeN mC thats pretty much my point. MJ couldn’t get to the finish line thru Boston till Bird was done.
Sorry Jim
When Larry magic enter the league the NBA Finals was being showed on tape delay after the after the late night news. Michael finished the NBA's Ascension but Larry Bird and Magic Johnson started it and built the foundation!
Larry Bird won 3 straight mvps
3 mvp in a row 3 point winner in a row 3 rings and hes number 33 better then magic
Yasim Tashir lol magic is by far the better player that’s why he won more rings
iman Last i like magic but he just had a better team. Bird was just as good of s passer and a much better scorer
iman Last magic won more rings b/c the West was trash. His best competition was against the twin towers & that was a one time thing fr fr
Nothing against Magic but c'mon the west in the 80's was pure trash and he had a way better team than Bird. Danny Ainge or Bill Walton anyone?
Didn't Bird beat MJ 3 times, oh by the way he beat Magic to.
And Isiah and Dr J
Jim Jackson was on some of the worst Mav teams to ever exist .. this is a clear cut white vs black. Black players hate and are jealous of Larry bird .
Boston year before Larry Bird drafted - 29 wins
Boston after Larry Bird's rookie year - 61 wins
Argument that Larry Legend wasn't a transformational player - ethered
AMEN!!!
They hating cause the legendary bird is white 🤦🏻♂️. Come on now! Simple as that. If it wasn’t for that man and Magic the league wouldn’t have been saved.
false
Lamont Jackson true
Omg get outta here with your tears, this has nothing to do with that and you know it
Im white, and this is why i hate whites, because we think we have a RIGHT to be in absolutely everything because of oir own insecurities. Nobody whines more than a white man with his candy taken away
@@8033jack Naw they are. Theyre being racist. 😂😂
This is one of my favorite clips ever!! Jim Jackson never repeated this stupidity ever again. At least no publicly
Larry was one of the true greats - up there with MJ and Magic. Probably the most “crafty” and possessing more court vision than anyone, ever. If he wasn’t limited by his athleticism, he would be the GOAT, no question - but that has to go to MJ by a “smidge”, because he was just so superior as an athlete.
When Bird was in his prime, and was on the court, people were thinking two things, “what’s Larry doing?” , and “what is Larry going to do?”
Jim Jackson is out to lunch - truly. Bird and Magic MADE THE NBA mainstream.