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- Stephen A. Smith and Jalen Rose get into a heated debate about super teams ruining the NBA after Charles Barkley’s comments.
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Did Jalen just compare Kyrie Irving going to the celtics with KD leaving to join the Golden State? SMH
It isn't even close. But you have to remember ESPN gave the NBA a multi billion dollar deal, so they have to try to fool the public.
Gregory Hayes Exactly 🤷🏾♂️
It’s not that different Kryie pushed himself out for team disloyalty and KD left from frustrations of the team and the way it was going he just made his own decisions to leave
playboogie Much different. When KD went to GS, he was already an mvp and 5 time scoring champ that had GS down 3-1. GS had won 73 games and Steph was a 2 time MVP being the first unanimous mvp ever.
Gregory Hayes he was also a player without a ring and on a team with a point guard who has very questionable decision making it is the era of super teams I don’t like it but it is what it is at this point hate it or love it you either going to watch or you won’t they will either be the villain or the under dog I don’t understand the backlash people get for making the best decision for themselves and their family and legacy we all love Barkley and says he great but then in the same breath talk about how he doesn’t have a ring everyone can’t have it both ways
stephen a workin 4 to 5 jobs. he's grindin like a single momma
hahahahaha ESPN's talent pool either leaving or gettin fired. They got his ass tryna save every show!
😂😂😂
Agreed dat Man Stephen A, is everywhere ballin in de game!!!
They do have a contract with him to make like 7 million in the next 5 years, so they gonna make sure he is grinding lol.
dude look like he never sleep
Look at Greeny, with his feet up, saying to himself “Excellent, my ratings will be through the roof!”😂🤣
Exactly
Was waiting for him to pull out some popcorn from behind his desk XD
He is enjoying two black men arguing with each other
Bro thanks for pointing this out I'm cracking up at his facial expressions xD that's exactly what he's thinking lmao
@@ketimporta6629 I’m telling you Greeny is a mad scientist on ESPN😂
"Hold on hold on hold on hold on hold hold on holdonholdon hold on."
Yeah,Stephan caught Jalen condricting himself. Bcuz He's in the media.
WHO YOU PLAYING FOR!?
😭😭😭
Legend says he still hasn't stopped
Damn. ESPN got Stephen A. Smith working triple overtime.
That's because they need more ratings and viewers
waw thiking the same thing
This is insane, all we need is him being in chain singing 🎤 “ that’s the song of the man .. WHOO AH .. working on the chainnnnnn .... “ 🤣🤣😂😂 props to him nobody can’t say he not working hard and don’t deserve all the fruits of is labor
Dudes getting paid. Domt worry about him
Hes the only one bringing in the ratings.
Lol Jalen wtf are you talking about 😂😂😂😂😂
Just trying to win an argument
MrJblazini , dude watch it again, he's trying to speak facts. Stephen A keeps interrupting the valid point he was trying to get to. Jalen is 100% right about certain people in the media putting pressure on these guys & making them seek easy rings. LeBron said it himself, years from now no one is gonna remember how you won the rings, it's that you won.
@@hurricanewayne7463 lost me at Kryie going to the Celtics sorry
MrJblazini , how, that wasn't kyrie's fault...he was obligated to fix a problem. Prior to kyrie getting there boston was only a ECF team, now w/a champion in kyrie sharing the knowledge from his experience they are the automatic favs to go to the NBA finals this year. So I'd say jalen was trying to make a valid point...but those interruptions smh
@@hurricanewayne7463 automatic favs? So the raptors died or what
Mabye molly could be like Greenberg and not interrupt these precious moments
especially if she lifts her legs up on the desk
He was being passive aggressive. He put his feet up to remind people he is still present. And to show he is still controlling that situation.
Judiene Gordon or as a joke saying he was enjoying the debate
@@kavardbond7637 That's so wrong!! LOL but ratings would skyrocket!! LOL
@@kavardbond7637 Legs open facing Jalen, then she says "Chow Time"
This time, Stephen A dropped the 81 on Jalen
Lowkey MVP comment
🤣🤣🤣
He’s dropped 81 on jalen plenty of times😂😂
Chris Craven fo sho 😂😂😂
Next will be Max dropping 81 on Jalen
Jalen not making sense on this subject in my opinion. He's almost seems that he is changing the narrative.
He made perfect sense. Coaching and record and that other stuff doesn't matter. Lebron joined a 53 win team that had Wade with Bosh. Lebron didn't join the Knicks lmfao because they had no talent. Only talent matters, coaching is irrelevant when Bron is the coach.
Durant did the same thing. Bron did the same thing.
73-9 record was inflated b/c the Thunder were up 3-1 against the greatest team of all time. So I guess it makes that Thunder team the 2nd or 3rd greatest team of all time.
Graylin Sapp , u can't make sense when some1 is consistently interrupting you. Once jalen came to the point he was trying to make, Stephen A had to admit he was partially right. Which he's 100% right if we remember history & lebron's own words. When on the subject of team hoping & superteams, lebron said years from now, no one is gonna remember how you won the rings, it's that you won. The media puts too much pressure on these guys to get a quick ring for validation.
He just takes a long time to make his point..saying what KD did is unprecedented in NBA history.. it took competition out of the league..
Mike Richards not even the same . 1st you’re wrong they won 47 games before Lebron joined . 2 Lebron and Chris Bosh we’re joining up with wade and learning how to play together, the warriors were already established having chemistry knowing how to play together having won a chip together went 73-9 and went to the finals that year . So how is that even close to the same thing.
Eunoia Ville well said!
What the hell is jalen talking about. 🤷🏾♂️
This was hard to follow
SAS ate his lunch
@@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725 Honestly
Alno Highking we don’t know
Jalen pointed the out the cause and effect. Media lauds these guys and knocks them down when they could cuz they don’t have a chip. Guys are saying let me take less Money, go w a super team get my chip then go get paid so ppl leave me alone about NOT being a winner. Charles by media standards would be viewed differently if he has won a title.
James has lost twice as much as he has won in the finals but most media make excuses for him and have him in the conversation as best over since he has a few titles. His record is 33%.
Jalen is saying media brought this on themselves. You want ppl to remain loyal and stay where they are drafted but won’t give them proper respect until they win a title and claim they only care about money.
Guy in the middle is such a mood😂
The guy in the middle pointing his mug to Jalen at 5:03 was too perfect lol
@@blankblank8369 victim, poor little baby
Micah Maggio lol 😂 don’t kill me master 😂
Jemale Darby 5:03 Greeny became a fan.His JOB became so easy at that point.
@@blankblank8369 shut mouth
Bro he's feeling his job hard
Stephen A cut people off on their show too 🤣
He's Boulé..He can do that..Noticed he's the only commentator cursing on ESPN?
Nigga has no manner
If Stephen A cut me off. I'll do the same damn thing to his ass.
JaMichael King so what if he go to the warriors
I was frustrated too with Jalen Rose being unable to understand even the simplest things that Stephen A said. You’re right he may have been rude, but in this case I can at least understand him because he felt he was being misunderstood every time he said something. Jalen Rose couldn’t stay on point and understand a single thing Stephen A said. On the other hand Stephen A completely heard and understood Jalen and didn’t agree, but also didn’t keep the conversation at a standstill because he understood exactly what was being said to him. Basically, Stephen A was frustrated because honestly Jalen wasn’t making much sense because he couldn’t understand the basic premise of what was being said to him in the first place.
Did Jalen just compare Kyrie’s move to Boston to KD’s move to GSW ?
Did he just say KD joining the GSW didn’t ruin the 2016 season ?
Did he not understand what Stephen. A Smith meant when he said it only takes 1 occurrence to change the entire league ?
Did he lastly compare KD’s move to GSW to CP3’s move to Houston ?
Man no wonder Kobe dropped 81 points in this guy.
😂😂😂👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
If it ruin NBA then stop watching , simple I swear people complaining more than female.but kryie situation is different from durants.
No, he didn't say any of that
And Jalen is RIGHT. Kyrie unknowingly joined a Superteam. Are we going to discredit his rings?
What if Durant played with Harden and Westbrook and won multiple titles? Are we going to discredit those rings?
And Golden States record was inflated. The Golden State went 73-9, the Thunder were up 3-1. So I guess that makes that Thunder team the 3rd greatest team of all-time.
NBA has always had super teams. Blame the NBA for not having enough superstar talent to fill every roster with multiple superstars. Maybe they should develop the D-League more.
Jordan Moananu , nah watch it again, Stephen A kept interrupting him before he could make his full point. What he said at the end made too much sense, hence Stephen A saying ur partially right. lebron is on record saying years from now one is gonna remember how you won the rings, it's just gonna matter that you won. Jalen said players are taking things into their hands in order to make sure the don't go down as great but ringless like sir charles.
Mike Richards Please, just stop, you're as far from topic as Jalen
"hold up. Last time I checked you was a member of this" 😭😂 bruh was like you with the media to
I love the way Jalen does his job and he's not biased even if it's one of his friends he calls it right.
Jalen is one of the few intelligent analysts. Stephen A… aaaah not that much.
Did Jalen understand the question or subject ??? He was off topic all along.
One of the few times SAS was 100% on point.
@Ultimate Warrior naw bruh that is the real Jalen he stays going off topic
Ultimate Warrior
Lol no, he’s a smart and very articulated dude. I was shocked he didn’t get it, a very basic question.
I think Jalen's point, which he did a terrible job of arguing, is that this is less a "super teams" conversation and more of a Kevin Durant conversation (and Demarcus Cousins who they BOTH overlooked) because of the move he pulled. A super team isn't just a team with 2-3 all stars because that's been happening all throughout NBA history. It's a team with at least 2 MVP-level players in their primes and at least 1-2 other all stars in their prime put together by the players themselves. When a GM does it, it's less on the player because he has no choice...but when a player does it, it looks like he doesn't want to compete or beat the best, which is Barkley's point. And I agree with that. That's what Jalen was trying to say.
Jalen is right...it's a "Kevin Durant" situation that people cant seem to get the phuck over! It's not a super teams epidemic...people just hate that KD joined an already top team.
Yea agreed
This is how my friends and i be arguing lol.
I agree
It's not that! That's what bitches do. It's A debate Bro. Men should be Man!
Gee Badd whatcha talking bout
Gee Badd always that one guy 🤦♂️
Comment just went right over dude head lol 🤷♂️
Jalen is correct. It doesn't make sense that organizations are free to load up on talent, but it's frowned upon when players choose to do the same. It's also hypocritical that the media will hold something against a Barkley or Karl Malone for never winning a chip, but also hate when a player chooses to go to a team that will near guarantee them a chip so people can't say, "yeah they're really good, but never won.".
False. When an organization drafts and develops talent it is not the same
But if it’s through the draft then you can’t say they loaded up because no one know if they will become great or not
I wish more people could see how simple this issue is as you have stated. Why frown on individual players looking to win but not teams buying their way and making backroom deals to rings. It's sad that people won't go to bat for individuals
@@ryanmatt5541 how is it not the same?
@@gmac_sports so players should leave their careers to chance?
Lmao greeny is loving it just chillin
Mirza singgih feet on the table and everything 😂
Stephen A+
Jalen =
Uncles at the BBQ
Dude in the Middle = Me
Truuuuue!!!
That is funny.
But he isnt 12
you are not allowed to give any opinion 🤣🤣
No Jalen is on point with this period.
Jalen Rose needs to stay on topic lmaooo
NiNoLiberté Fioz , hard to stay on topic when some1 keeps interrupting you. Jalen made a valid point that lebron said months or a year ago. The media is responsible for guys chasing easy rings.
Lol no doubt...but I do think Jalen made a good point towards the end. This is less a "super teams" conversation than it is a Kevin Durant (and Demarcus Cousins which they both overlooked...I don't know how) conversation. People have lost track about what a super team really is. IMO a super team is a team made up of AT LEAST two MVP-level players in their prime mixed in with at least 1-2 other all star-level players on the roster. It doesn't matter whether or a GM or players are responsible for constructing it. But when players are responsible, it just seems like they're taking the easy way out which is Barkley's point. And I agree with that...sorry if that sounds unfair to the players but I just think players should be wanting to beat each other NOT join each other to stack the decks.
How many times have you heard Jalen say you know Stephen A you right?🤔
this is even crazier now 🤣
The topic was “do super teams hinder the NBA?”
Both of them the whole time talked about KD, so Jalen is right, this is about KD and not about super teams.
KD did pull the weakest move in NBA history, so Sherman Hemsley is also right.
They both got off topic! “Do super teams hinder the NBA?” Obviously not! Everyone still watching!
Lol@ Sherman hemsley
in nba history??? you must know a lot of history
First time I’m glad SAS started yelling. Wtf is Jalen going on about 😂😂
That Kevin Durant made the right decision about the team he went to.
Jalen rose has no idea what the hell he's talking about
Never really does. He doesn't like Steven a either I think.
J Burwell He can guard Kobe better than you tho
@@thsu8 kobe scored 81 on him. he might as well not even have been there.
Jalen was right though
Jalen changed the subject twenty times lol
4:08 basically how Jalen’s arguments went
🤣
Fr
Lmao homie had his feet up, eating popcorn and sipping coffee lmao
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on....😂😂🤣
Time out time out time out time out....
this is blasphemous
Lmfaoooo
Andrew Bristow I hope Stephen A. never says that in a debate with Chris Webber
Kevin Durant's move was weak. End of Discussion.
What about Anthony Davis he's coming to the Lakers guarantee in about 2 years no chance whatsoever of winning a title in New Orleans Pistol Pete Maravich couldn't do it Adrian Dantley couldn't do it Karl Malone couldn't do it
Kyle Wilhelmsen kid go back to bed, youre too young for such vile language
But it's okay if Kevin joins lebrons team... that's the statement Jalen rose said to A. Smith.
Zero Blank I feel like you think it’s weak. Until you know the truth. Then kd really is just a bitch no other way around it. He left his belongings , dogs , everything in Oklahoma. My friends mom had to drive him down the remaining of his stuff he forgot. He left and had no intentions of coming back. His stuff was packed before the playoffs started. Kd threw the playoffs
Your weak
5:08-5:20 Jalen Rose said and i quote "hold up" 25 times ! Wtf is going on🔥
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you to the 2018-2019 Raptors and 2003-2004 Pistons giving the middle finger to the super teams.
They literally said fuck the system lol
That lakers squad was far from a superteam. Malone, Payton, and Russel were at the end of thier careers Know your facts b4 yoy speak on my Lakers.
the 04 Pistons had Big Ben, Sheed, Billups, Rip Hamilton, Prince, and Okur. That's 6 All stars...
Lol... The 03 - 04 Pistons had 4 All Stars on that team.... Chauncey, Rip, Rasheed , and Ben Wallace..That's definitely a super team.
@@aydobo Actually, okur wasn't ban all star until 2007, so that technically doesn't count, and tayshuan prince was never an All star.... But the other 4 were definitely all stars by the 03-04 season
Stephen A Smith becoming a regular guest on Get Up is Jalen’s worst nightmare loool
Lol so true
Ya Mane not at all. Jalen was just fine and Would be in the future
@@TV-ob1if jalen was not making any sense and every time SAS made a point he completely changed the narrative.
Nobody want that Stephen a smoke
@oo70mar not hood enough??? Do you know where he from? Lol
Stephen A. actually killed it in this debate.
Trevel The Critic actually he didn't, he contradicted himself. He is cool with LeBron joining 2 other top 10 NBA players to form a super team in Miami, but he isn't cool with Durant going to the Warriors to create one. No one thought the Warriors were a super team, that narrative changed when LeBron got his wig split in 5 games. I remember analysts on ESPN and Fox say that the Cavs were going to beat the Warriors because LeBron is so much better than Durant, Kyrie is better than Curry, Draymond is only good because he plays with the Warriors, and Klay is just a spot up shooter. Truth be told if LeBron was as great as he is hyped to be he wouldn't have gotten beat in 5 games that year. Also the narrative before Durant went to the Warriors is that the Warriors were lucky to win that first ring because if LeBron had Love and Kyrie they would have beaten them that year. A lot of revisionist history going on with these LeBron fan boys.
Trevel The Critic he did kill it
Percy Bedford nah that ain’t it
Percy Bedford The point is that Durant, argued by some as the best player in the league, joined the BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. Forget about the fact that GSW didn’t end up getting the ring- EVERYBODY knew they were the best team in the league. Leading into that Finals, they were being discussed as possibly the greatest team ever, and that was before KD joined.
You’re getting too hung up in the term “superteam”. Let’s just think about the teams that LeBron and KD went to. KD went to the team that was ALREADY the best team in the league AND the best regular season team EVER, without him!! How can that not be seen as the most uncompetitive, weak move ever??
Sure, maybe LeBron held that title at the time he went to Miami. But KD waaay outdid that. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh at very least had to learn how to play together. That team seriously struggled to learn how to be a team in their first season. There was none of that for KD.
Could you imagine if MJ joined the Bird Celtics or the Bad Boy Pistons after losing to them in the Conference Finals? It would be seen as the most fucked-up, uncompetitive move ever! What KD did was no different. None of it ever had anything to do with him leaving OKC- I was glad he left them! But you can’t go to the best team in the damn league that kept their 5 or 6 best players, especially not when you’re a top-2 player in the league, and expect people to not be annoyed and disappointed...
@@percybedford6266 So Lebron came back from 3-1 on the same team KD lost a 3-1 lead to but KD is the better player? Got it
Jalen always keeps the fresh hairline 24/7👍💯💯
Of course when you got money and a personal barber
fun guy's ring with toronto is worth more than kd's two rings
Definitely
Not sure about that....but it's more respected for sure
and All of Le4-6's rings, don't leave his team hopin azz out.
Stephen A is Lebron and Jalen is JR Smith....doesn't understand what the topic is so Stephen A gets mad at him
Lmao fact.
20 th comment of the year
Check Jalen Rose for the Weed! Dude is all over the place.
Andrew Nieto wake&bake
The warriors was just overall a super team, they had good players coming off the bench too
Superteams have always been around the difference is now the players are controlling the narrative where as in the past the GMs were controlling the situation.
Exactly! When the idiots 🙄start that BS, you know they are lacking in basketball history, basketball culture, basketball experience and lacking basketball knowledge. Teams have been stacking at least since the Boston Celtics dynasty won 11 titles in the old days.
Yeah but nowhere near some of the super teams of the modern era. U didn’t see 3 top 10/15 players on the same team. Super teams were more like Kobe and Shaq or Duncan ginobli and Parker. Nowhere near wat golden state or Miami were. Wade and lebron were legit top 5 players at that time. Bosh border top 10. KD was a top 3 player and where does he go? The already best team. U didn’t see that in any other era
@@TG-cw8gj another difference is these athletes are more talented nowadays n they know it so they can pick n choose given the right situation
That boston example was horrible..boston hadnt jus knocked kyrie out the eastern conference finals...and boston wasn't the defending champions..who jus broke a season nba record in wins the year before... their young core hadnt been proven yet, there were no mvps on boston..and their. Same team hadnt been playing together for the past 3 or 4 years
@Kyle Wilhelmsen boi godabed...the truth has been spoken
@Kyle Wilhelmsen jus sounds like u need rest..u talking crazy
negrodamus323 and Boston didn’t get Kyrie for FREE
@Kyle Wilhelmsen ☝💀
Bro. wasnt Boston a power house with IT on it? so yall got selective memory. Jalen got a point yo
I love how Greeny is chillin', with his feet up and a cup of coffee!!!
Here for kwame …. All the love for Stephen in these comments hilarious
Ditto
SAS wasn't wrong though? Screw these players bro...they ain't worried about you or the fans, so why you worry about them? Super teams are bad for the game bro. Bad for fans. When players just meet up to win easy rings? It ruins competition. Why even have a season?
I tried watching Kwame, but the dude is honestly an idiot and can't say 3 words without cussing. Dont mistake me for a SAS fan...that dude works for woke Disney and I have no use for race baiters. But Kwame ain't no better. He's trash TV.
@@John6-40 Do you get what Kwame is saying/doing...you calling him an idiot is the exact reason why he's doing what he's doing...at least he's cussing with facts everytime
How is it hilarious? What did he say that was wrong? I get Kwame is your guy but don't lose track of the actual point
Stephen a smith is stating facts what is jalen talking about he compared kd going to golden state and kyrie going to celtics like bruh. Smh
Going to the team that beat you is the softest move you can make. It's that simple.
Unforgivable weak move
Let’s see a young black man who can command millions of dollars wherever he goes in this day and age leaves Oklahoma City, Oklahoma for Oakland California, it’s a no brainer for me. Nobody has ever stayed in OKC. Serge Ibaka, Kevin Durant, Paul George all left for cities that are more conducive for young black men to live in!
@@hueyfreeman9297 you can save all that BS. Leaving OKC is understandable. Going to a larger market is understandable. Joining the team that just eliminated you from the playoffs is weak.
I can understand both sides of the argument. What this leads to is a lopsided nba. Of course you want to put together a team with a chance to win, but it’s says a lot about your competitive nature when you feel you have to have 3-4 all stars on your team to win.
@@AquarianAngel it isn’t
Greeny's reaction with the tea sippin'.......PRICELESS!
Thats his move
😂🤣😅🥲😅🥲 Good Catch!!!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Greenberg looking like a 🎾 ref lmao
cringe
@@rontam06 nah refs pretty much want to stop the game/fight or call foul he didn't want to do either, he was lapping up the moment.
Superteams are good when there are teams that can challenge them. If it's just one team dominating everyone else with very little to no resistance, it's gets tiring after a while
This is alllllll coming to end🤣🤣 jay stayed patient💯
5:07 mike greenberg living his best life mood
See, the White man did this shit again.
Dennis B come on man, Greenbergs a jew, he might as well be black
lmao im dead
True dream job......
i like Jalen..as a person but... he's wrong...and a lot
An Actual Opinion battle rap fan?
Every single time
Patrick Poole yeah iv bee....Jersey
An Actual Opinion my dawg ✊🏾
So is Stephen A.
Greeny loves being in the middle of these shoutfests with his feet up and sipping his tea.
5:11 this man said holda holda holda!!! For like 15 seconds straight!!! Lmao!!!!
We're all the white dude 😂
*jew
@@kennethcamp8730 same thing
41belvedere Sure they are buddy.
@@TheIcemanthomas how do u figure?
Keep it clean guys. Were all humans. Love each other
Jalen doesnt know what he's saying. I dont even know where he is goin. 73-9 with Chips already vs a Miami heat Assembled and drafted Celts, that's a big difference.
He's saying you guys are only mad at the warriors. Not the other superteams. If KD joined Boston right now no one would care. Same thing if Lebron joined Houston. No one would care. If Kawhi went to either of those teams, no one would care. But an injured DeMarcus cousins goes to the warriors and everybody is gonna quit watching basketball. That's what he's saying.
@TruMusic89 true one chip, HOWEVER they were literally 2 mins from a repeat sir after going up 3-1 on Cleveland in the finals. Let's not talk like they had a 73-9 season with no playoff success thereafter in the postseason. Again literally 3 mins away from a repeat if not for kyries unreal 3pt shot and the first 3-1 comeback in the finals we have EVER SEEN. So they (gsw) were WELL on the way to being a dynasty Kevin Durant or no Kevin Durant. The point Stephen A is making is very very valid. Creating a super team from scratch that has no experience together is so totally different than one legit superstar, top 2 or 3 AT WORST player in the dam WORLD joining a team that got 1 chip in the last two years of finals appearances fresh off a disks that everyone and their moms dam near said they should have won. Dude it's not even in the same solar system.
One ring, just like Dwade had before brown got there but nobody wanna speak on that, Jordan had a dynasty, no one talks about that, the Lakers, Boston MULTIPLE YEARS, no one speaks on that, it really is a Kd and Golden State conversation, the man did what was in his best interest for him and his family 💯
@@Zackaveli but context is everything bruh. All the teams u mention we are not mad at are basically playing catch up TO the warriors! It's the only way we can hope to see some sort of competition while these warriors exist. That's why ppl stent mad about new super teams forming. And the Celtics was terribly bad example (all respect to jalen he's typically amazing) a) kyrie couldn't have known he was going there and b) No one knew or expected the Celtics to be that good, they were a surprise. To Stephen a's point primarily because no one knew how good tatum would turn out to be (though I called it personally lol). Point being kd knee exactly how good the warriors were, and how good they were in relation to the rest of the league prior to joining them, that's the reason he joined them, and he knew they would be crazy dominant with him as well. That being said I don't hate the warriors at all. Its interesting to see a team that good, though boring at times.
He made his point Crystal clear. I understood exactly what he was saying. Stephen A. Just cant stand to be wrong.
Great debate!
I remember when every superstar would have there own teams there was only duos mostly and some big threes but I feel it’s better that way
Every super star would have their own team.
Then we got duos
Then we got trios
Fuck outta here.
I never agree with SAS but he’s right on this one J. Rose
Thanks
@@antrawnjohnson1497 K.D. fucked the NBA up now everybody wants a super team , Stacking look at Philly now its unfair I want to see the talent spread out.
@Richie Woods it is not the same none of those people you mentioning joined their competition they joined forces to beat the competition
@@antrawnjohnson1497 Can't. Cause you won't get off it!
@@smangeletarr1917 yes they did all of them did y'all being byis
ESPN got Steven A working like a Mexican 😒
Word.
Samore Toure lol 😂
Nah, Stephen A. just got a crazy work ethic. Respect that man
Samore Toure 😂😂
@Wati Umi I don't know, ask Carlos Slim.
Hey I like Jalen Rose and everything but I was getting aggravated watching this because he was not comprehending anyting I was getting said....lol
Rich Thomas m
What are they debating????????? I can't even understand what is being compared
What the hell is Jalen Rose talking about ? Or is that kd in jalen rose skin ??
nice
Dumb coment please stop.
John Jouseph dumb enough for you to reply to. lol
Anthony Garcia 😆
Stephen A.Smith going for the MVP😂😂😂
The first time I watched this...I agree with Stephen A...after watching it again I understand the points Jalen was making.
Is that you KD lol
U joined a 73 win team. GSW was 3 pts away from being back to back champs, AND Beat You. SMDH
Who was you scared off LOL.
The last 3 MVP's (2014,15,16) on 1 team
The NBA needs to implement a rule that only 2 max superstar players are allowed to play to together. Because if not it will continue to happen every year
Jalen got owned 😂😂😂 he kept looking over at Greeny to get saved 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jalen...🗣YOURE WRONG!!!
This is why I don’t take anything Jalen Rose says serious....
Kwame Brown isn't a scrub
He only credible for bringing up skip high school stats
Pretty much.
Jalen smarter than u think!!!
Don't be a petty Paul pierce
This is why I'm especially glad Milwaukee won
Cheers...
Jalen said “the Warriors are the only team in the history of the nba to have two all stars, both under 30.” Uhhhhin 97-98 Shaq was 25 and Kobe was 19. 89-90 MJ was 26, Pippen was 24. 2005-6 Duncan was 29, parker was 23.
SBPS he meant MVPs
Yeah he meant MVP’s there’s 100 cases of under 30 all star teammates lol
Nevermind the fact that Jalen was talking about MVPs rather than All-Star teammates, you still make a good point. On the other hand, at 19 Kobe was far from the player he would become. Parker, at 23, was an unknown commodity. He was thought of as a system player at best, by almost everyone outside of the Spurs organization, at that time. Jordan and Pippen obviously, come the closest, but IMHO Pippen would have been no better than a second-tier All-Star, had he never been teamed with Jordan, and led by Phil Jackson. Having multiple players who were without a doubt considered, "The Guy" on their team just the year before with Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, and let's not forget, now DeMarcus Cousins, is simply unheard of in NBA history. And that's if we don't even mention, Thompson, Green, and a pretty good coach in Steve Kerr.
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Come on bruh
KD move to GSW was soft back in the day, still soft today and it will be called soft in 10+ years in the future. Thats a fact. He can move wherever he wants now, win 5+ regular and finals MVP, any number of rings, he can be a HoF and a top 5-10 player in the history of NBA but it would be the softest HoF/Top player we have ever seen. Thats it.
Lisandro Moreno.....Same could be said about Lebron creating the HEATLES and yet still losing to MAVS. Those are FACTS too.
Yeah his rings will never equal the ring Dirk has. Rings symbolize hard work not they easy route.
Tired of Fools bro it’s not the same thing. Lebron’s joined a Miami Heat team that didn’t even make the playoffs year prior. He joined his friends made a team to beat the enemy. Kd joined the enemy he choked against a 3-1 lead wcf. If Lebron joined Boston or the spurs it would be the same thing. The fact you think otherwise you don’t know shit about hoop
Tired of Fools you a dumb twat. how you going to compare the 2? if LeBron would of joined the Celtics than yes, it would of been a KD move. but LeBron joined the heat, who didn't even make it to the playoffs the year before. not a 73-9 team with a 2 time MVP and 2 other allstars! Wade couldn't even stay healthy, and Bosh was struggling with the raptors. LeBron's sidekick was Booboo Gibson and Delonte West 😂😂. how you even going to compare the two you idiot?
X Man So Lebron's move was the second weakest move in NBA history can you admit that or do you got more excuse for lebron?
Great debate, & l luv Greenie in the middle just chillin, lol
Damn same convo 4 years in a row
What Jalen is missing is the point that KD broke the league.. He making comparisons that r irrelevant..
I miss Dynamic Duos
They seem to be referring to two different facets of the same jewel, but incapable of recognizing either factor….but they think they are.
"Warriors are the only team in the history of the NBA to have 2 Allstars under 30" 02:24
Well that's totally 100 percent not true:
Jones, van Excel Kobe and Shaq (1988)
Francis and Yao (2004)
Marion and Stoudemire (2005)
Allen and Lewis (2005)
Durant and Westbrook (2011)
Griffin and Paul (2014)
Let this be a lesson to fans and players. Rings are not created equal. For example, Cousins will have a ring this year doing close to nothing. Should he be put over Barkley because he has a ring and Barkley doesnt? Lmao the Warriors won the title and no one outside of Warrior fans talked about it. We just went straight to the free agency talk. The real victim is Steph thanks to 2 of the softest stars (Durant, Cousins) jumping on his bandwagon and not allowing him to continue his 2016 dominance.
KD's rings in GS will never equal a Dirk ring. I can guarantee LBJ would say the Cleveland ring is his most important. KD isn't fulfilled; you can tell why he always acts out.
marocain The difference between Steph and the other two you mentioned is Steph actually led a team to a championship (AS THE LEADER) the other two didn't. KD is obviously the second best player behind Bron so yeah Steph isn't KD overall in terms of skills but he has proven to be a better leader and his chips will be remembered as something he truly earned not to say KD hasn't got time to lead his own Championship teams and redeem himself because he has. I feel like people are closing the book on KD as if anything he does after GSW if he leaves doesn't count but at the same time neither Cousins (who I want to win a chip but not like this because he came from Kentucky) and KD has won a chip where we can say it's equal to Brons Cleveland chip or a Steph for example.
KD's rings will never equal Isiah Thomas' rings with the Pistons. He was a true competitor who got over the hump (Celtics) to win his. Totally agree with you with all rings not being equal. I feel as though the "experts" don't make that point enough.
No Lie I would have liked to see a Durant free GSW continue on to see how Steph would continue to handle the pressure along with the other guys. Its of course too much fire power with Durant there. KD definitely didn't really put himself in KOBE ( no one's in KB's league not even Bron Bron), or Lebron world, by doing the move. Great debate tho great points. But it was sort of out of Bron's playbook, KD's move, but like GSW already had a chip when he went over there. He may have to do like KOBE did with shaq and go and win some rings on his own,after GS to really be like in a real GOAT convo.
Im just glad LeBron can't jump around the league all Willy nilly and win all the rings. Dam sholl a weak move but it put a damper in lebrons plans lol
They should just sell rings @ the jewelry store. Lol. That's all it will be worth
5:58 I'm laughing at the guy in the middle with the cup of tea in his hand and feet cocked back watching the whole thing play out like "this is getting good" or "that's not my business".😂🍵
The top dog's should keep the league balance) for the competition level instead of loading up on one team.
Why ppl don't understand only reason why ppl disliked the move KD did? it was a weak move and looked like a snake move since he lost 2 them in the western finals after being up 3-1.. cant beat them join them is KD .. LeBron let me call my boys and beat boston .. KD left his boys 2 join the ones who beat him.. KD did a smart move but its the weakest move in NBA HISTORY
No
people keep comparing it to LBJ. That would only make sense if LBJ joined the Celtics.
Gregory Hayes thank you Lebron and KD didn’t do the same thing. Because if they did Lebron Would be on the Boston Celtics
Yet you niggas look at kg, Paul pierce, and them Celtic players like they bitter, when they feel same way about, ray Allen playing with the heat.
In my opinion people got to stop with this kd is a snake thing.
Look people, kd played for a talented team in okc but it has a guy who was greed and self centered. Do you know how long kd probably put up with his B.S. but stayed humble about it? Yes he played golden State, yes they got killed but you know what else happened in that game? He saw in one game why they was being killed and why/ how golden State was do killing. It was because of unselfish TEAM basketball. And that is what he wanted to be apart of. That is why he joined them, that is why he's a 2 time champion.
Jalen has a point... While i HATE the decision that KD made. The Media AND fans created this issue and it started with the unfair judgement of Lebron. The media and fans began to invalidate LEGIT SUPERSTARS for not having rings in a way that the league had never seen before. Half of the Hall of fame doesn't have a ring and alot that do got one NOT being the best player on their team when they finally did. How much differently are Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, judged if they were champs? Once it became all about winning a chip, players began doing whatever they needed to do to obtain championships. The argument that is made for MJ is ALWAYS 6 rings...So how can fans and media be upset with players chasing the ONE thing the masses judge their careers on. We created this version of the NBA by obsessing over rings instead of great basketball.
Avery S perfectly stated.
Because people want players to play out of their mind with what they have to win a ring. Instead of joining other stars, we want players to STAY 'AND' WIN. Just suck it up and work overtime in the summer like Kobe and wake up 4am every morning or work with your teammates in the offseason to do what you can to win
If every superstar played solo on their own team and all of them worked their butt off. We would see the winner every year as the best player in the league and validated as a top player of all time.
Cars?.... what is with the colloquiums!
Now its up in Brooklyn smh
I don't want to hear nothing about Kevin Durant until he takes his own team to the championship game.
I mean he did do that with okc
KD joined a championship caliber team. THATS THE PROBLEM
A SUPERSTAR JOINING A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER TEAM IS WRONG! Period.
BUT, they winning chips so you got to get over the shyt and move on dawg....
How's it wrong? Who says so? That's his business. Why are other grown men worried about this man's job decisions? Smh
dboyBR225 Completely different scenario... LeBron didn’t join a championship caliber team like KD did.
Trey Bens fr how the fuck is joining a kyrie-less celtics and the rockets who got fucked by the spurs without kawhi the same as a 73-9 team who already won. Jalen rose is the worst sports analyst
dboyBR225 bron & bosh joined dwade u mean.
Heat were a 1st round playoff team. Warriors 73-9 championship team. Warriors had the 2x reigning MVP & 3 all nba players + iggy as 6th man of the year candidate. Heat had only wade. It isn’t a comparison. That’s like prine Magic joining prime MJ while the team was 72-10
How are these two arguing when they’re saying the exact same thing
I liked how Greeney was just chilling while Stephen A and Jalen just argued back and forth
I don’t even think they answered the question they just screamed for 6 minutes😒
The question got answered two years ago, superteams are good and bad. Good because we watch to see them dominate and hopefully eventually lose to the underdog. Bad, when the underdog never wins and the superteam just dominates, it becomes boring. The nba without warriors vs Lebron story would be boring
Clarkyowns You it’s never good bruh lol just make a superteam on my league 2k19 lol
TheYeezy750Pizza it’s never good? That’s like saying no one watched the NBA when MJ and the bulls dominated the 90s, the Celtics in the 80s, the 70s lakers, the 2000-2003 lakers, the 2011-2014 heat! People LOVE superteams and how they dominate the league, they just want to see a underdog team eventually beat them and stop the dominance. Looking at this warriors team and the rest of the league, that ain’t happening for a few more years.
The question can’t get answered or even properly discussed if both people can’t comprehend the topics. Jalen didn’t comprehend Stephen A’s argument. I know Stephen A clearly understood Jalen, but Jalen just had no clue what Stephen A meant. Because he returned with comments that weren’t relevant to what Stephen A said. He commonly does this. Im not saying either one was right. Im just saying Stephen A was more competent. You can’t debate something if you can’t understand what the other person is saying to you. Stephen A could still have been stubborn and never backed down because he believed he was right, but at least he understood what was being said to him and answered back with relevant statements. Whether it was right or wrong barely matters unless you have to competent people speaking.
Cesar Gomez the question is easily answered by what I’ve already said, people really started watching it when the Celtics vs lakers through the 70s-80s happened, it exploded in popularity with MJ and the bulls and has gone global since the likes of Kobe & Shaq, Miami Heat and Warriors. Superteams are good for the fact we, the consumer, want to see epic and amazing dominant teams destroy the league. The only bad thing about them, is if they never have REAL competition. Do you honestly think people would consistently watch ALL the NBA games if every team was balanced? Would the finals get it’s highest ratings ever? No. Superteams are GOOD if they can eventually be defeated by an underdog or unlikely team. It’s the David and Goliath storyline that EVERY sport and entertainment production LOVES because people love seeing that story!
Whether SAS and Jalen understand each other or the actual question is irrelevant, the question got answered looooooong time ago, if you don’t know the answer, you haven’t watched it enough or simply just don’t understand yourself
Stephen A got his makeup slayed today 😂😂😂
ha I know he looks like he's auditioning for RuPaul's drag race
Slayed???
Great video and Jalen Rose made an excellent point. Players get to choose where they go and not owners. Though not affiliated with the NBA. This is why I so much love and reveer Curt Flood. He fought for players in Baseball having the right to chose who they want to bargain and play for.
Exactly, and none of these analysts mention Curt Flood. I'm willing to say many of them have never even heard of Curt Flood. As bad as say Colin Kaepernick got it in the NFL Curt Flood suffered far worst.
Sometimes these shows just feel like I’m watching 2 drunk guys arguing drunk at a bar at 1:00am.
Smh 🤦♂️ come on Jalen! 😂😂
KD pulled a coward move and there's no way around it. He should have went to Boston like he claimed he was going to, and he wouldn't be pouting all the time because people don't like him. Damn mama's boy.
Whats crazy is, he couldve went to the Wizards and went head to head with Lebron, he really took the easiest route there was
Sam M KD on the Wizards would have beaten last years Cavs by far. GS didn't need him, they wanted him away from the Thunder. They knew Thunder was their biggest competition.
Deflee a mamas boy
Coward? Lol this os basketball not MMA
KD made an all around business decision despite of what people were going to say. fo you thats a coward move lmao lmao lmao
Watching the NBA right now is a complete waste of time. Same for the NFL.
Jalen Rose as always ... Cool, calm and collective ✨
Aquarius,no emotion lol
collected
Jalen lost this mind the dude is pure hater he is not talking on basketball mind his inside hate took over his argument
Anyone who respects teams having 2 mvps & 4+ Allstars is a fake basketball fan. There is no competition in the league anymore, every team in the league can win like that
WestBreezy #FUCK-GAYD fax I have no respect for the early Celtics teams
I respect the Warriors, now what??? You just mad because Westbrook will never win a ring...get ready for another losing season
BlvckFire EDM iTrap iTrance iClub iChill excuses, you’re mad.. Westbrook isn’t my favorite player.. harden is & he exposed bum ass gsw
@@lildagga2064 11 rings on your ass bitch..the warriors will never even be close
WestBreezy #FUCK-GAYD Harden will never win a ring either...you gonna be crying every season, damn I wish I could see that & laugh at you
Jalen Just Shut Up And Listen Sometimes
That was hard to watch