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Yes because along with PC having more lenient boosting algorithms, the maximum number of passengers you're allowed to drop off is significantly higher, which is a major reason for such higher scores being possible. Where x is the length your bus currently is, on PC the most passengers you can have is 5x while on console it's x+100. So if you're 1000 buses long, then the maximum number of passengers for PC is 5000 passengers and for console is 1100 passengers. Being able to drop off thousands more passengers greatly contributes to such higher scores because the way I maximize nearly all my scores is by dropping off at least close to the maximum number of passengers while being relatively close to my tail.

@@Mastah_Pete interesting, i noticed the jump runs out so fast and same with the amount of time you have to keep moving, ps4 just didn’t get the love, hoping for a ps5 version that’s up to date with the pc version

Thanks Light! And yep I still play as I got things left to do this in this game. Specifically, I'll do the following things and get them done at about a rate of every 2-4 weeks like I have been: -Get improved scores I'm satisfied with for three PS4 maps (Cave, Coriolis, Seattle) so that all my PS4 runs have full run videos for them -Improve scores for five PC maps (Intersect, Miami, Paris, Ring, Seattle); For Ring, I will incorporate the large area on the ground into the main route. The other four maps, I'll use routes based on my more recent PS4 runs because the more recent PS4 runs efficiently uses the map space better than the routes that are used in my current PC world records for them.

@@Mastah_Pete Oooh okay that’s so interesting, good luck! I wish you luck on getting all of your goals, after you’ve got your goals what will you move onto next?

@@light772sandwich Thanks Light! I haven't really worried about what content to do for this channel after I'm done with those Snakeybus goals. I don't really feel the need though to find another game where I'll regularly upload content. I'm not going to try seeking out another game like that but if I happen to stumble into a game like that, then cool and I'll go from there. If I have gaming moments and accomplishments I feel like uploading, then I'll do that. If I go long periods of time without uploading something, then that's not a big deal to me as I have other things I enjoy doing too besides play video games with the intent of uploading content.

@@Mastah_Pete ah okay i understand, do you have a ps5? I would love for you to start playing Astros playroom. I can help and teach you too

@@light772sandwich Astro's Playroom does look like a fun game and I would love to learn from you! I don't have a PS5 though. I haven't thought about getting a PS5 because of being content with the PS4 I have. Maybe at some point in the future, I will and I'd definitely let you know about it. Grinding runs to add to Astro's Playroom speedrun leaderboards would be fun to do, even when the runs themselves aren't records.

Thanks Light! The record that I'm trying to get back is 1:37. Really close but I'm still happy that I cut down my PB by four seconds. I will beat 1:37 at some point though! I am determined to make it happen

@@Mastah_Pete Amazing dedication and amazing pb jump! I wish you luck for the 1:37! This time must be annoying to run, isn’t it basically just luck?

@@light772sandwich Thank you Light, I appreciate it! Oh yeah it's really annoying haha. Luck is definitely a big part of it because some mine placements make for faster solves than others (like by being able to clear out more of the board when clicking a square not surrounded by mines and having segments with more straightforward solves that are easy to see right away).

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Thanks flytiger!

Thanks Bashycat! Yeah there's a huge area on the outskirts of this map to help get such long lengths. Miami and Ring also have similar areas outside the normal playing area (especially Miami as that one is by the largest of the three). Generally speaking for Snakeybus runs: -The skill part, I find that using references in the environment helps with some more specific executions (like where to jump from and when, for example). If you experiment to see what consistently works and then do enough cycles of the same thing over and over again, it becomes muscle memory after a while and you don't really need to think too hard when executing a route. -The retention part, I listen to music to make it more bearable. Sometimes I'm in Discord chats with friends, which helps make runs more bearable too. Also it's natural for me to zone out a lot and think about random things (especially in the early stages of the game) but most of the time that doesn't hurt me because as explained in the previous bullet point, I have the route down so well.

@@Mastah_Pete Wow, thanks for the entire essay on that. Great work.

Hi flytiger! That is a pretty good question. I actually have to think about this one. I guess to start off, a couple of the maps (Dorm and Seattle) are annoying to grind because how long your bus gets depends on getting a specific dropoff location at the right time, which you can't really control. Like on PC Dorm for example, my strategy for maximizing my length and reaching 3000 depends on getting the Toilet dropoff when I'm relatively close to my tail (which is around 1100ish buses long). If I get a different dropoff location instead when I'm around 1100ish buses long, then that's pretty much the run because the next time I get Toilet, my tail will extend into me. Seattle has similar issues. So the luck factor is annoying to deal with for these maps. As for my favorite maps, hmm I honestly don't know because all of the maps are cool in their own way (even the ones I mentioned in the previous paragraph haha). Off the top of my head, Miami, Ring, and Cave stand out to me. Miami has a vibrant atmosphere to it that I think is really neat. Ring has a unique map structure to it which makes for a good challenge when it comes to both planning out a route and following through with executing it. Cave is a really fun one to play once you get the hang of how to fly.

@@Mastah_Pete yeah I did notice that you had to wait for specific drop off points on different maps, very cool :3

Haha yeah I see how my gameplay can have that effect with all the spirals I do. Cool to hear you like my videos and I got more Snakeybus videos that I plan on making and uploading!

⁠@@Mastah_PeteI tried replying once on my desktop but CZcams broke so I’m trying again on my phone, and I’m gonna try to remember what I said lol I actually found your channel because I started trying snakeybus on steam deck: it’s surprisingly hard to make it feel logical to play on that thing, mouse and keyboard is easier. I wanted to see if there were any speedruns but no; but there were your high scores! I can’t watch often because of how long they are but I really like them. Next, about hypnosis! I’ve actually been learning a lot about hypnosis recently, and while spirals don’t do much for me, more complex things like zoom in Mandelbrot set videos do. Sometimes I get tranced for hours if I don’t have to do anything! It’s kind of weird. I think instead of spirals snakeybus is hypnotic to me because of some feelings I can’t really describe that the game gives me- there’s something enticingly eldritch about a bus way longer than it should be, filling up an empty city. It’s oddly obsessive to imagine a bus 30 miles long (I think that’s about how long the one in this video was fun fact, using 30 feet per bus segment since the articulated buses in my area are 60 feet long. And finally, I have a question! It’s about length strategy in snakeybus. Would it be viable to, instead of maxing out the passenger load once you’re at 2000 segments, do smaller increases every ten minutes and once the game is either getting too full or getting too slow you build things up until you’re full and then drop them off, and only then use out of bounds to have a safe place to drive while essentially blind from the lag? I’d be interested to see what you think! This and the neighborhood videos are super interesting because of the out of bounds use as a safety net.

@@flytiger575 That's unfortunate about CZcams breaking on your desktop. Hope you did remember everything haha. It looks like at the very least you remembered a lot of it though. I play the Pc version of the game with a PS4 controller connected to my PC. I first started playing Snakeybus on PS4. I've never tried playing a keyboard and mouse but to me, it seems like using a controller would be easier for making precise movements. Maybe using a mouse and keyboard is easier for some people but whatever device is the easiest for people to use is probably personal preference. That's interesting to learn about the effects things like the Mandelbrot Set and my videos have on you. There are some cool and trippy patterns that happen in the Mandelbrot Set so I see how they can be hypnotizing. I've heard similar sentiments from other people regarding how watching my videos make them feel (something else I've heard is that my videos are relaxing). It's always really cool to know that my videos can have effects like that for people. Sometimes playing the game can be like that for me too as once I have a strategy figured out, it's easy to zone out and let my mind wander during the early stages of the game. I did the math using your 30 ft per segment value and I got nearly 35 miles long for the bus. So yeah I'd say your math is about right as we're in the same ballpark. That's crazy to think about a bus being over 30 miles long as I've never actually done the math before for the end of my runs. Generally speaking, I wouldn't recommend trying to do small increases before ultimately maxing out on passengers for the final dropoff because there comes a point where you can't really control how many passengers you pick up. When it's closer to the end of the game, you can't control how many passengers you pick up like you could at the very beginning because at this point of the game, your bus is locked into whatever route you're using. Like if you're doing a spiral on a road that goes around a building as part of your route, you can't skip passenger pick up zones that are on that road. So because you can't skip passenger pick up zones as easily anymore, the number of passengers you drop off towards the end of the game will be larger and there's a chance that this causes the tail of your bus to extend into yourself. It's possible to luck out and end up being relatively close to your tail but again, I wouldn't recommend trying to do small increases because I like to have as much control as possible when doing my runs. This is a strategy I do in many of my Snakeybus runs to keep things more controlled while maximizing my length: -Know how long the bus can be when executing a route for a map (trial and error is often how I end up figuring this part out) -Before starting the game, use math to figure out a target length for the start of the game -Start the game and try to be a little above the target length -Max out on passengers for the rest of the game -If done right, you should be relatively close to your tail when you drop off the last set of maxed out passengers *I go into greater details about this strategy and the math used in the description of my "Important PC Snakeybus Math Formula and How to Use It" video (here's the link to that video: czcams.com/video/UrzenJT7zVA/video.html) Using the out of bounds area as only an escape area after filling up the map is a viable strategy. However, while your bus would still be long, your length wouldn't be close to its potential maximum length if you didn't incorporate the out of bounds area into the route somehow. For my route in my PS4 world record run of Miami (which is the same route as the one in my 6156 PC run but without incorporating the out of bounds area into the route), the tail of my bus is close to me at about 1800ish buses long. In the PC run, I was 2308 buses long before dropping off the final set of maxed out passengers. As you can see, I was able to fit in an extra 500 buses solely from incorporating the out of bounds area into the route (and you can fit in a lot more buses out there too because of how enormous the space is). In this particular run, I just went with maxing out at a length that's a little above 2250 buses because 6000 was a goal I had (which seemed like a reasonable goal at the time) and maxing out when I did allowed me to reach that goal. I do plan on improving this score in the future by maxing out in the late 2000s-early 3000s range because that's about when the effects of lag start to kick in while still not being too much to greatly interfere with how I drive. If you have any more questions or I need to clarify anything, let me know! Always glad to help and discuss!

@@Mastah_Pete super cool analysis! To clarify I was thinking of doing your run as normal, including out of bounds, and even extending your out of bounds driving to the maximum safe length to allow more segments. So every circuit you’d go out of bounds, but only once you have an almost-laggy bus that’s entirely full would you drop off passengers and jump into an out of bounds area you’ve never driven in before, and therefore an area your back end is unable to extend into. All while still taking advantage of say the cruise ship area.

@@Mastah_Pete and as for controls: you’re correct in that controllers give the best steering control, but as a converse, a computer mouse gives the best control of flight angles- so maybe the optimal setup is one hand on a mouse and the other on a controller, or alternatively, one on mouse, one on one of those half-keyboard controllers with a thumbstick built in.

Thanks kush! Yeah it's pretty fun to drive on the walls, even if it's just to challenge yourself without filling in the rest of the map

Thanks Light! This was a pretty challenging route to figure out and I'm really glad to have pulled this one off!

@@Mastah_Pete jt looks like it! I loved ring it was really cool but I was never good enough. This is super cool though. I really need to get back into snakeybus bur I’ve said that for like 20 games and never do. Do you know how dylen is doing? Happy holidays by the way! Hope you have a new Christmas and new years if we don’t talk closer to the time

​@@light772sandwich I don't know how Dylen is doing. I'm guessing he's been pretty busy with other stuff because it's been nearly three months since he last uploaded a video and that's just how life gets sometimes. I'll shoot him a message in our Discord group chat in a like a couple weeks or so to wish happy holidays and whatnot. Speaking of which, thanks Light! I hope you have some good and happy holidays too!

Thanks doc! Yeah that was unfortunate how I got squeezed down into the water at the end but I'm still happy with how this run went. 3000 would be insane to get on Cave as maneuvering through all the buses throughout the end of this run already felt really tricky at times. I won't say it's impossible because I've come to be surprised by what's actually doable throughout my time playing this game. If it is possible, it would be very challenging. You'd need to absolutely be on your A game and probably have to be able to handle some lag towards the end. Good luck on your future runs and I look forward to seeing how they go!

The area outside the neighborhood is a major part of it. I wanted to see if it was doable to get to 7000 in this run but it turns out, the area outside the neighborhood isn't quite big enough or flat enough to comfortably withstand the endgame lag. So that's what I learned and this is the run I'm good with for PC Suburb haha

@@Mastah_Pete WAIT WE FINALLY FOUND OUT HOW TO DO THIS? I remember you speaking about it and saying it’s too far away from the main place to reliably get there and back because of the death zone

@@light772sandwich Yeah I said that's the case for the console version of the game because the algorithms for boosting on console aren't as lenient as PC

@@Mastah_Pete ahh I get it so do you don’t think its possible on console?

​@@light772sandwich I would say most likely not. The couple times on PS4 I've been out there have all been on accident. Even if there is a way to intentionally get out there, getting back into the neighborhood would be another issue to deal with. Again I would say most likely not but however, I won't say 100% no because over my time playing this game, I've come to be surprised with what turns out to be possible.

Thanks doc! By the way, I haven't gone after the record for PC Cave yet. At the moment, I've been focused on getting 1600 on PS4 Seattle and figuring out how to improve PS4 Cave. I've made good progress on both these maps as I've learned what changes can be consistent. Just wanted to let you know that I haven't forgotten or given up on PC Cave and that I still plan on getting that record back from you!

Thanks!

Disadvantage in terms of affecting the actual gameplay? No. Disadvantage if you're the kind of person who likes to customize characters, vehicles, etc. for fun when playing games, regardless of any effects on gameplay? Yes.

@@Mastah_Pete Why did you say not to choose white if it had no disadvantage

​@@light772sandwich You need to get in the habit of watching videos or reading video descriptions first haha. Typically when there's a video with the title mentioning something specific, the video itself will go into more details about that specific thing. But in short for PC if you choose white, it's harder to tell how much boost you have remaining in the graphic that's in the bottom right of the screen. This isn't a problem to worry about at all for console because for console, the graphic that's in the bottom right of the screen will always show up as red and therefore it's always easy to see how much boost you have left.

That's right Light! I plan on making more Snakeybus videos for the foreseeable future, especially for PS4 because I want to have full run videos since I didn't do that before for PS4. So that's something to look forward to about every 2-4 weeks! And I say about every 2-4 weeks because for the most part, I'll limit myself to working on Snakeybus content when I have time during weekends. I love the game but at the same time, I don't exactly want Snakeybus to be all I do with my free time haha

@@Mastah_Pete Did you get a capture card so you can record over an hour for your snakey bus videos? And nice! I can’t wait, i really need to come back to this game

@@light772sandwich No I don't use a capture card. I private stream my gameplay on CZcams when I know the run will take more than an hour. I make the stream private because if I have it be public, then people joining/leaving the stream and commenting make it so in the top right of my PS4 screen, a big box appears which says something like "On Air". I haven't found a way to turn off this big box from showing up (if it even can be turned off). If it weren't for this big box appearing, I wouldn't mind people watching my streams when I try to collect Snakeybus footage. But since I don't like having that big box appear in my gameplay videos and I don't have a strong desire to be a streamer (whether that's on CZcams, Twitch, or any other platform), I just make my CZcams stream private.