Marvel’s KANG PROBLEM - What Went Wrong? (And How to Fix It!)
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So picture this: you have a new big bad in the MCU that has the potential to eclipse the Mad Titan Thanos.
This villain is so powerful that he’s essentially unkillable because there are infinite versions of his throughout the multiverse.
Doug: oh tell me more
This villain has an interesting motivation, and he already won and conquered the entire multiverse and ruled it as a god.
Doug: who is this amazing-are you listening to me?
No…what were you saying?
Doug: who is this amazing sound guy?
This is Kang the Conquer.
Doug [disappointed]: Oh
A villain who had the makings of the MCU’s best villain. And yet…. somewhere along the way, Kang lost all of his momentum. Somehow, the Darth Vader of the Multiverse saga was demoted to Snoke.
And this is made far more egregious after the introduction of the High Evolutionary in Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3, a villain who’s easily one of the MCU’s best.
Doug: So why Kang isn’t as good as him?
Well let me see if I can explain what went wrong with Kang, what Marvel is doing wrong, and attempt to fix this broken multiversal boy. And I think there is a way for Kang to be one of the best MCU villains. Now, next I - (on phone)
Doug: what are you doing on your phone?
Now, back to Kang. So, one thing before we start.
The Jonathan Majors real-life situation has nothing to do with the Kang problems. That stuff is very serious and still ongoing, so let’s focus only on the character the actor is portraying.
Alright, there are 4 major problems with Kang. So let’s go over each one of them, and then how Marvel can learn from these mistakes and fix Kang.
When the MCU initially introduced us to Kang, he was presented as the most powerful being we have ever seen in this franchise.
He’s a multiversal ruler who literally lives in a castle that observes time itself.
He knows it all, he has seen it all. And he manipulates time basically like a god.
He even has the tech that turns the Infinity Stones into [paper weights].
This is a very good introduction.
This Kang is He Who Remains. One of many variants of Kang.
Doug: Variants?
Those are other versions of people from other universes.
This persona explains that eons ago he won a multiversal war against all the other Kangs. He saved reality from his variants by erasing them and their timelines from existence. So this one Kang has already killed all the other Kangs.
After winning the war, he created a new separate universe called the sacred timeline. He ruled every moment in time. He literally had a script for everything that happened and will happen.
He enforced the timeline to ensure that his variants will never return to threaten the multiverse.
Doug: I miss the days when a purple guy just wanted to collect a bunch of colorful magic rocks
Yes, the multiverse worldbuilding is very ambitious compared to the Infinity Saga. At times too ambitious for its own good, to the point it becomes tediously convoluted storytelling.
During this Kang’s long exposition dump, he keeps telling Loki and Sylvie about the dangers of his variants. How they are far worse than him, and how they’re the true threat to the multiverse.
And we eventually meet one of these other personas in Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania.
This variant is Kang the Conqueror. That was confirmed by Marvel.
In his initial introduction, Kang appears as a truly menacing and fascinating villain.
In those conversations with Janet, we can see that this is a multi-layered character, someone who’s motivated by a misguided god complex to save reality from himself.
The scene when Kang meets Scott and Cassie, and basically force-pushes everyone - gave me some Darth Vader vibes. I really love this Kang in these two scenes.
But then, it all starts falling apart. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
It seems like everyone changed their tune towards Kang. A couple of months ago, everyone said he was the best part of Quantumania, and they wanted to see more of him. That was the general consensus anyway.
He still was/is the best thing about QM. But even then I thought antman took him out too easily.
Screen crush isn't representative of "everyone"
People with too much time on their hands goin back to nit pick now.
Yeah but it was still a horribly written movie and the character died unceremoniously for the 2nd time in a row.
There is zero reason as to why KANG THE MOTHA FUCKIN CONQUEROR should have lost to the Ant family. It was ridiculous tbh.
The thing that makes Thanos better than our current Kang.
Is that we're shown Thanos defeat the majority of the avengers multiple times, while we're told Kang has killed the avengers multiple times, but we're just told this.
We definitely should've seen Kang kill the avengers in flashbacks and even see thing like Moljner, caps shield, Hawkeyes bow, etc in his chamber
Thanos was all show don't tell. Even when he was just sitting there Thanos had already shown his power by lending Loki a portion of his army. Kang has been nothing but telling. It is told to us than Kang is this big threat. Instead of showing us Kang destroying the Avengers at the start of Ant-man. That he has conquered multiple timelines. Show it show us him conquering. Even if this Kang loses to Ant-man it sets the bar that this Kang was the one thrown away for being the weakest most power hungry Kang. If that Kang could defeat multiple Avengers teams at his height what would a threat level be for a whole army of them?
The first thing he did was whip Hulks ass and kill Loki (I don't exactly recall the order
I think we will see the actual big bad Kang in the future decimate all other Kang's/the Avengers. Similar to how we didn't know Thanos's power all the way until Infinity War, it will take some time to really know the power that Kang has
@eliobelio7033
I agree. And hope to God that does happen. Because Kang has this whole mystique about him being a super SUPER genius being able to create trans multiversely technology that allows him to travel from universe to universe and get the best science discoveries, break through, and miracle and use em all for God like technology
what if s2 would be a great way to show that
Im actually surprised Disney doesn't hire people like you. The way you explain every detail and scenario that should've/shouldn't happen that could ruin or make the film great are so amazing I mean brains like your's should work on the marvel/mcu/disney/whatever something like this.
They call it mansplaing 😂
I especially like the idea that the Avengers discovering time travel is the key to Kang having existed in the first place. Because then, what if the only way to stop all versions of him for good is to prevent the discovery of time travel, and hence undo the returning of all the people snapped away by Thanos? What an ultimatum that would be.
This is my theory from the very beginning. Upcoming Avengers movies should be about moral compass.
Current main MCU heroes fighting against OG heroes who saved everybody in Endgame (from another universe) would be speechlessly emotional and then realizing how the time machine was a point to save the universe from Thanos but also to accidentally create even bigger threat (Kang killing entire universes like nothing) would be mind-blowing.
@@FireJach Woah... and then maybe heroes from other universes (including variants) could be fighting the MCU heroes to prevent them from creating a new sacred timeline. Peter 2 and Peter 3 could be fighting against Peter 1 this time, and maybe it will be Peter 1 who finds another way.
This shit is so convoluted and overly complicated. This multiverse thing only works if they create reboots-an Ultimate universe, for example. Across the Spiderverse is a great example.
It hasn’t worked the way they’ve tried doing it in the MCU. It just diminishes the effect of what came before.
The sacred timeline should simply be the only timeline where Thanos lost and thus Earth could thrive properly. As according to Dr Strange. Hence the importance of preserving it from further time travel shenanigans. Tony’s death and the end of Endgame should’ve meant something permanent.
@@bubbachomp4674 Since they are going down this way I think a synthesis of the two ideas would have been good...have the moral conundrum presented by Op that is somehow resolved through a major reboot. This is my main issue with the multiverse thing in the first place. They're trying to up the scale with the multiverse when ultimately, the concept itself no matter how entertaining or compelling the stories have been in past comics were really just a means of tidying up continuity issues or give us what if scenarios.
Ultimately I think without a core issue like this the multiverse is a narrative tool with no real hook to keep us invested.
@@bubbachomp4674but look at it like this , Loki getting rid of he who remains happened outside the constraints of time , so kang could’ve started existing way before we know & he could be planting all these events in order to fuck with our world because of what ant man did to one of the variants , like how secret invasion is happening & ect
I do agree with He Who Remains being revealed as Kang Prime since he already did what is needed to be done to win the Multiversal war. Rewatching Loki S01 has made me realized this besides watching this video. Also HWR has that silent but deadly vibes especially when he was speaking with Loki and Sylvie in a comical tone then converting to a more serious and menacing one.
Though Kang in Ant Man must be given a chance since he might be the one destined to be HWR in the first place and letting them believe that he was beaten was all part of his plan.
I feel like being sucked into the multiverse engine is how/where he discovers that smoke monster
Not sure since HWR mentioned that Alioth was created by his variants and he begun experimenting on it and harnessed its power. Though he could find a way out of the probability storm by getting in sync with his other selves.
Exactly! To me I felt like it was obvious I was watching the beginning of his story.
I as well, don't mean much but we all listen to there stuff and u hear what's around!!!
Hope we use em still. But bring doom in and OVERSHADOW all BS!
@@leog6653 he who remains said I should be mad he took a long time to train,!
I think what they might be going for, is that the true threat of Kang is that he is not just one. The lesser Kang’s wear down our characters and then the lead Kang’s step in and mop up.
And then, He Who Remains appears and finishes off all his variants.
There should’ve been a special presentation on the four main variants backstories & how Kang was exiled from the council.. I feel like we just got a repeat of what He Who Remains already explained.
I agree I don't know why Marvel don't release those often
There are ppl who haven't watched Loki
@@shravyaboggarapu5877 this was my thought. Had to catch up non-tv show watchers somehow
Blame the Writers for Not Using his time Chair, Barely using any tech,Weapons other than his gauntlets and blue Blast, and also thank them for not going with the original script and have him escape.
I miss cerebral villains. I am so sick of battle sequences being the most important part of a movie. It’s tired. I had high hopes for Kang, and I sincerely do hope it gets fixed.
Kang acted more like a dumb berzerker than Thanos ever did. Ran in like a bull in a china shop, lost repeatedly, acted like a child crying he didn't get his way. It was disappointing.
Marvel had a golden opportunity to go to an alternate world that was about to be destroyed by an incursion and show the impact... make a one off movie that shows alternate versions of heroes being decimated by Kang so it adds weight to what is going on... hell, they could do a 90 minute special like they did with Werewolf by Night
They did show a universe being destroyed by an incursion in MoM. Also, I personally think they are in the first act of showing what Kang can do. I think this movie was just an introduction similar to Thanos in Avengers' credit scene, but he got a whole movie introduction. Remember, he really didn't do anything until Infinity War. All he did was send scrubs that got worked by the Avengers and Guardians.
"I mean, think about this" that moment when Ryan Arey outsmarted a whole Marvel screenwriters
Kang's suit was destroyed by the ants. Didn't his powers come from his suit? I think they more or less established that in Janet's flash back
I think everyone is wrong about Kang. I think they have PERFECTLY setup Kang to be the next big bad. Just look at how the young avengers form in the comics and its so easy to draw a line from Ant-man 3 to the obvious next step that will make him the Thanos threat.
There's no problem with Kang. The problem was how Quantumania was written at the end. If Kang didn't like "die" in it, or if he killed Scott, it'll be an ok film.
I agree. I’m trying to imagine Kang showing up in other films (like Shang Chi 2 or something) and I still get chills thinking of that moment. But yes, him dying at the end HEAVILY impacts the “wow” factor.
Having not been a deep cut Marvel reader Thanos was set up well to my eyes. He was teased and the infinity stones were carefully introduced and intertwined among all the characters so the Infinity War felt inevitable and satisfying. The Kang saga jumped the shark.
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I think 1 think that could help restore Kang is if The Kang Dynasty opens with the Kang from Antman coming back and literally killing the entire counsel of Kangs and the power core that sucked him up is bonded to his suit and has granted him immense power.
I think a big problem with showing all the Kang variants in the Council of Kangs is that even members of the audience who've never heard of it understand the trope known as the Conservation of Ninjutsu. That's a term that, unsurprisingly, comes from martial arts movies. If the martial arts movie hero is walking down the street and a single ninja emerges from the shadows, we've been conditioned to understand that we're about to see an epic fight where the hero, even if they win, will struggle and suffer to do so. However, if in that same scene suddenly thirty ninjas emerge from every shadow and sewer and rooftop, we understand that the hero is going to easily plow right through them, often taking individuals out with a single punch or kick.
Lots of people are confused. They think that he starts off as the baddest thing in the multiverse. They are wrong. He gradually gains more and more power, and skill, after he defeats other kangs. The kang we saw in the movie is the same person as he who remains. One from almost 40 years ago will be the person who remains at the end of time. He is not dead. He will return.
He Who Remains was behind the highly advanced Ants tech. He needed his younger self to fall in order to set him on the course to being He Who Remains.
To me I think they should give the multiverse saga more time to give us more character development. And Kang should get more screen time on his back story not just threatening us with words but with action.
we still have many years of the multiverse saga left. Won't be done until at least 2027
I like the idea of He Who Remains being the Ultimate Big Bad. The Victor Timely idea has promise as one of the installments of him. But I think they could potentially go further. Like maybe what if they got the youngest version of him aka Iron Lad at one point. He fights one of the variants with The Young Avengers or The Champions, is forced to return to the future. And somehow the various interactions the MCU characters have with He Who Remains over the course of the saga eventually determines how the Multiverse Saga ends. Like will they get Ultimate Conquer Kang or will they get Who Remains and bring things back to the loop the close things again albeit slightly differently in the unified timeline with new characters like The X-Men and other characters that might exist from other timelines that might've been rescued from the Incursions.
side note: i think i remember seeing a title for Avengers Incursion a year or two ago. but I think what i saw was probably one of those fan titles that people make that easily get spread around and hyped a bunch without knowing the true source that some people take as gospel as an actual thing.
I just had a thought with this He Who Remains Vs Kang The Conquer Idea based on the actions of everyone in the MCU, this could be like what they did in Bioshock 2 with the daughter character. But not everyone knows about the whole Kang situation becasue everyone is so separated and not all on the same united front post Endgame. And they have no idea what will influence him in what direction.
Iron Lad. Are you serious?
What's that, a porn star?
@AJHamada
Young version of Kang who decided to be a hero when his older self visited him and told him he was going to be a conqueror. He said no thanks, stole his tech, tried being a hero and formed The Young Avengers.
That's not the whole story. Just a quick top of my head remembrance from ages ago. I haven't read that story line in years.
It should have been the Kang from the next Avengers film who survived defeated and escaped into the Quantum Realm. Kang is a time travel villain and should be treated as such. Before he dies in Quantumania he can give foreknowledge of the future and say some strange prophecy about how the Avengers will lose or something because he was there. He can even have trinkets like Thor’s hammer or other items from characters who might die in the next Avengers movie. Then Ant-Man will be beating and almost losing to an already broken Kang. It also serves as a better set up to the next Avengers movie by telling us the stakes. Sure, we know that Kang gets defeated, but what scared him enough going into Secret Wars to cause him to run?
Biggest one is letting ant man win. He shouldve been stuck in the quantum realm with kang. That line about kang not winning, and sacrifice ant man did was hollow cause wasp just comes last minute to save him.
I wouldve loved if ant man got stuck there and did the same scene he did in the beginning, walking down the street but in the quantum realm.
Plus...they framed this kang as the most dangerous..but he got taken out by ant man 😂
Antman is extremely powerful. That’s where people are underestimating kang and antman. They forget that in endgame antman killed a leviathan in one punch, which kang was tanking in this movie
@@king_vision4085but at the same time in QM they built Kang as this allllll powerful guy who took out so many avengers in different universes, conquered many worlds...but ant man takes him out.
@@king_vision4085 You act like Leviathan is the same as Kang.
The power of Leviathan is pretty much only a big serpent that even a Drunken Valkerie killed one
@@thecunninlynguist again you’re underestimating one of the most powerful avengers
@@Andrei-if1dr a leviathan is obviously not the same as kang. A leviathan died from one punch from antman. Kang tanked multiple punches from antman in his giant form
I think you're missing the part where Kang is mirroring Steven Strange's "Dormammu, I have come to bargain" effect.. it's not about being undefeatable in any one skirmish if you can just do it again and again until you win..
They'll have to come up with some way to break his "loop"..
I feel like the kang in antman should have won at the end of the film to show he’s a big threat with his first appearance vs having him lose. But at the end Scott was confused on rather or not he had defeated kang so maybe he did win.
Honestly he needs is own solo movie and they should just copy Only Myself Left to Conquer comic series and put into a movie. Kang is a complex character and needs lots of explanation and a solo film would be a a great way to do that
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I’d like for Kang to show up in random movies at the end. Just randomly pop in through a portal, whoop the hero’s ass after they just had to deal with their movie’s main villain, damn near kill them, and then he just leaves. Like Edge in WWE when John Cena just won the elimination chamber.
The thing is He Who Remains is the Kang who won. Basically, the MCU showed us the villain after he already accomplished his goal. Any Kang we see after the Loki finale is a Kang that has yet to win the multiversal war. Sure, we'll see some losses along the way.
When you really think about it, Avengers: Endgame did the same thing with Thanos. You just have to forget about his appearances in post-credit scenes, Guardians 1 & Infinity War.
I mean imagine if the first we saw of Thanos was the retired titan picking food from his garden and then he got killed when Thor chopped his head off. Then the next Thanos was the one from what 2012 or 2014? That one lost at the end of the movie. We'd be talking trash about Thanos the same way we would be now with Kang.
I have a feeling that He Who Remains did not kill all of the other Kangs. I bet he was able to bottle up a bunch of them so that they cannot universe hop, much like the Kang that we met in Quantumania.
Perhaps in the weird place in the end credits scene of Quantumania, perhaps an army of Kangs kept in a weird pocket dungeon in HWR's citadel, and HWR was keeping them trapped there, when he let himself die, they began escaping
Right, did they ever claim he actually killed them all? I thought it was just implied that he won and left out many details.
I have to disagree. I still think Kang is gonna top all the villains we have seen so far. I also think Kang didn't have his full power in the Quantum Realm. Janet even says when she is explaining to Hope and Hank that she already gave him to much back. His suit. So I think if he escaped his tech would level him up. Once he got access to it. He could basically teleport like He Who Remained. Obviously he can freeze people in time. Like he did with Janet. I do agree that He Who Remains is the real threat and Kang "losing" is all part the plan. I think that Kang got sucked into the beyond and this is where he discovered Aliath then once he has learnt how to escape the beyond he returns as He Who Remains.
This is the exact theory i developed in my mind. Kang from Quantum is HWR and the multiverse engine he got sucked into is where he finds that weapon he'll use to defeat the rest of himself. Would be interesting to see if he escapes on his own or the avengers break him out in one of the future movies so he can help them win
Not just that. Because of how time works in the quantum realm, he is unable to see the future and time travel.
You’re right he was weak in antman
I love how the confidence in your voice increases with each video
hopefully when mutants are introduced, we get to see the OG avengers reaction to mutants.
It only just occurred to me that Kang's losses are not anticipated by Kang. Those experiences only exist as data for the next Kangs to use for the encounters that are before them. That means that Kang, just like Loki, is destined to lose every time. He's only a foil for the true savior of existence & eternity. That play technically would've to go on into infinity (just like universes, multiverses, etc...).
The “stupid ants” argument is the weakest argument and shows people aren’t paying attention. Those ants were already massively advanced creating their own tech. On the way to the quantum realm they went through a time fluctuation and lived 1000 years in one day. They advanced further than our comprehension. To say they are just ants is a weird human ego trip.
Exactly they were smarter, stronger, and had more advanced tech than Iron Man..Thanos wouldn't have been a speed bump for them...
Kang was much more intimidating in some of the animated series, floating around on his chair and tanking hits from the hulk! and this Kang getting beat by ants...
Knowing Disney, they'll turn kang into the "They/Them" who remains.
But isn't this what separates Kang from other big bads? Everyone has a shtick
Thanos, stones, half the universe
Kang, Infinite Variants, The mutliverse
Doom mixes sorcery with tech, etc.
Isn't a person this deadly with infinite variants scary enough?
You can NEVER put him down
I disagree completely. Ant man's squad is nothing to joke about. Plus technically advanced ants and modok to break his shield (which we saw break earlier when the time engine blew up with Janet) the reason this version lost is he wanted to humiliate Scott after his empire was taken down by a rebellion, like most villains he monologues instead of insta killing all of them including Janet who I'm sure he's got way more hate towards, that would've been a boring way to kill off beloved fan favorites too. I think he should've killed OG Ant Man and Scott and Hope do the same ending but the weight of the movie at least has stakes, plus it would've been Janet paying for her decision in blood, (Michael Douglas doesn't want to do any more movies anyways) and it would've tied MCU with comics books because Ant-Man dies in the comics and it's a Big hit to The Avengers. I do think the ending keeps it open for how deadly this Kang is, the cake Scott eats is terrible and GREEN. After rewatching I really like this as a stand alone MCU movie even tho Cassie's acting sucks 😭
Exactly Cassie is the Problem
I thought Cassie was better than Majors 🤷♂
Infinity Stones only work in the universe they come from. Since the stones at the TVA were outside their native realities, they were powerless.
I’m liking the boost in quality. New camera?
I mean it was established that Kang was severely handicapped by being banished to the quantum realm yet he was still able to amass a huge empire. I think that makes him a great villain because of that. Just imagine what he could have done if he wasn't handicapped. I don't think this version of Kang is dead.
handicap or not you took a L to 🐜 s and Ant-Man 🤦🏾♂️
@@patrickbell5875technically advanced commie ants tho
@@willbeard4835 WOWWWWW tech advance community ants 😲🥱🤣 Thanos swatting them ants like flies if that was him !
I have always thought that an easy way to keep him in the background as a threat is to have him recruit some heroes. Like there are those like Ajax probably who know the threat the Celestials present. There are even people like StarLord who might agree, or even people like Strange who sees the threat of incursions.
But yeah part of the current issue is that they went and put him in Quantumania when he should just stay on Loki for now or mid credit scenes. Because especially because the bad guys of the Antman movies always kind of seem forgettable. Which is fine for the people's hero. I think they can fix this in sort of reverse. Like have Cassie show up in some other thing because Scott and Hope never came back and they aren't in the Quantum realm but she can tell they are alive via the suits. But because Kang was able to trap them in the time loop he threatened Scott with at the start of the movie.
my problem is that with all these different Kangs that can be a threat, I can't care about a single one of them because any one of them doesn't seem to matter
Marvel should NEVER reveal scrapped scenes or alternate endings because they're ALWAYS better than what we got.
Banner having a argument with the hulk because the hulk is tired of just being used as a weapon then they reconcile with each other and that's how he becomes smart hulk.
Dr.strange was supposed to make a Cameo in Wandavision to help against Agatha.
Gorr the god butcher was actually supposed to be shown butchering gods...
Zeus was supposed to be Wise and helpful to the point where he just gave the thunderbolt to Thor because Zeus MAKES THEM! There's not a special single thunderbolt in his possession.
As stated in the video Ant-Man's Kang the conqueror leaving the quantum realm...
But as always they have to ruin all points of tension for jokes and political statements.
I agree w/ A LOT of this. High Evolutionary was menacing in GG3 and it was SO good to finally just have a REAL VILLAIN!
If they're going to recast - they need to show it in the next Spiderverse so that it's animated and then they don't have to worry about having an actual actor and can take their time finding someone else and can revamp forthcoming movies.
There's theories going around that Kang will at least cameo in Across the Spider-Verse, but be genuinely important in Beyond the Spider-Verse
I think if they had Kant show up in a post credit like playing chess with our reality… this is all his plan kind of thing even with other “kangs” on the board. Then this dude would seem unbeatable because he knows everything
I'm Kang and you talk to ants
This was the funniest line in the entire post-endgame MCU and it wasn't even intentional T_T
People keep underestimating how powerful Ant Man is, and that’s why people assume Kang is weak.
People forget Antman killed a leviathan with one punch, that’s hulk level strength. And he’s even bigger and stronger in Antman 3, and kang was tanking his punches. But because people underestimate Scott, in the MCU and real life, people assume kang must be weak.
Kang defeated a rebellion, took on Giant Man, and survived being attacked by giant ants who are more technologically advanced then iron man, but people will just assume he’s weak
Because Ant Man is Weak have you ever watch the quantumania? He didn't even know half of what is going on and he was saved by Hank, Hanks Ant, Hope The Native people, the downgrade shitty MODOK and his Big Plot Armor
My brother, you don't say you sent Thor to Valhalla multiple times, destroy entire multiverses and lose to Ant man. I'm sorry you just don't.
He got "Exiled" With his multiverse chair which is the equivalent of sending the prisoner in prison with a key, he shows Darth vader/Magneto, Iron man, Goku powers but doesn't stop Janet earlier from destroying his multiverse bulshit device, he makes an entire empire in the realm but his technologically advanced army gets usurped easily because a dumb teenager makes a mid ass speech and he a time Lord doesn't try to escape the very same place the Avengers used to time travel 1000 years ago before he was born.
@@vineetdesai6396same sentiments. QM built him up to some expectations but got taken out relatively "easily"
@@thecunninlynguist and it isn't just Kang getting taken our easily was the problem, problem was also that this movie was so bland, the quantum realm just felt like a ripoff of Star Wars, and this film feels like someone thought of putting Antman in a Guardians movie or a Doctor Strange movie but instead have Antman be the protagonist.
Good take
Technically Kang didn't lose to ants... The giant ants dragged him off and destroyed his suit in which all his power comes from
When his powers are tied directly to his suit, destroying his suit counts as a W
You're defending Kang?
@@JohnnyWednesday yes I am
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He still lost to ants. He brags about killing other versions of Avengers in other universes. He brags that Scott is "way out of his league". And after all that exposition......he still fuckin lost.
As many have said, the Skrulls are more interesting as the main villain, but it's too late for that.
As you've seen, they are not 😂😂😂
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I think it’s good to see kang looking defeatable so it’s more extreme once you realize how antman turned him way stronger just wait around 😅
The major thing people (including ScreenCrush) are overlooking is that Kang was in the quantum realm for a reason! He’s almost powerless there because time doesn’t exist the same way down there. Antman’s powers of shrinking and growing would be wayyyyu more powerful in the quantum realm. It was the perfect for Antman to beat Kang. Once Kang gets to earth he’ll be unstoppable
@@lukesenter1559 Exactly. ScreenCrush is looking at it from a subconscious level about the sight of kang looking defeat-able. Yet sometimes being different works in the end. Ant man 3 is underrated but there’s a reason it’s the first of phase 5. I also believe it sets up a future villain.
I think after avengers 6, dr doom (introduced as a villain in the fantastic 4 movie) redeems himself as an anti hero having defeated Kang with the help of the hulk but actually turns evil at the hands of ultimate power granted by the Beyonder. However….. from the negative zone, a space inside the quantum realm, comes the product of the Ants civilization created accidentally when dr pym entered the realm but mutated when the leader ant was blasted by kang and had been restored using technology found in the realm specifically a piece of a machine MODOK was investigating in an attempt to fix himself which turns out to be the half body of Ultron sent to the quantum realm when pym particles fell onto the rubbish in avengers tower during thanos invasion. Once the ants body was fused to Ultrons body a new mutation of insect and machine was born and out comes Annihilalus obsessed with preserving his life in an attempt to stage revenge against all Vertebrates that dominate the universe. And give rise to the other phylum of life across the new unified galaxy.
We’ll see how wrong I am in a few years 😂 just figured this is the perfect way to justify the ants helping to defeat kang.
There you go, easy fix. Jonathan Majors walks into a room and Andy Serkis walks back out. Solved.
Why tho?
Great video!
I know making him lose multiple times wasn't the best idea, but he was actually beating antfam very essily with his suit on and he had no idea about those ants and so he wasn't prepared at all for them. Plus the shield was broken only due to interference by modok, otherwise he was standing his ground. And people really do undestimate antman specially when he becomes giantman, he is no joke. But even after his suit was off he was only defeated because of circumstances i.e scott smashing those pym particles into his engine.
Yes but the point of that is if ants swarming him could cause him to lose his suit, how are we supposed to believe than ALL the entire Avengers together couldn't do the same thing?
@@stevendchu it only worked because if was totally unexpected, other attacks he defended very easily without much difficulty. And when he will be out of QR his space and time powers will work and he will be more like He who remains who could predict each and every move
@stevendchu were skimming over the fact that the ants tech was eons more advanced that Iron Man's and they were likely mire intelligent, but Iron man defeated Thanos...was it goofy? Yes....does it make Kang weak? No.
@stevendchu the ants didn't cause it. MODOK did when he rammer it. Also it was thousands if ants vs maybe 100 avengers at best.
Multiverse level villain whose entire thing is that he knows all that ever has and ever will happen--"he had no idea about those ants and so he wasn't prepared at all for them"
There is no Kang problem
He was phenomenal in Antman
And seeing his return as well as the counsel is what is exciting
The real Kang problem is if Majors will be able to stay in the role
I actually didn't like his acting that much. I think he was overreacting in many scenes and didn't feel natural. Something felt a bit off. Its my opinion tho, plz don't crush me
He's failing to convince me that I'm seeing different entities known as Kang. How long did he practice each, 5 minutes? I'd rather we got one stellar performance than whatever THAT was.
The big bad of this saga was ultimately insignificant in his feature film debut.
@@Old_Star30 it’s not his fault. Blame the writers. If yoy showed actual clips of him fighting army’s and planets of beings and conquering them, it just shows him talking about it. That’s not Jonathan majors or Kangs fault. This is why the same dude isn’t writing the Kang Dynasty.
@@Old_Star30well you’re hard to please and irrelevant cuz there’s no one who could’ve done better
big yes on the flashbacks to him taking out other versions of The Avengers.
I mean Kang may be the main villain in certain events but why do get this strange feeling that everyone is being manipulated here? As if another villain is waiting in the shadows. I know it sounds crazy. But “what-if” there was someone worst than Kang? I mean who could it be? Just theories. Thanks to anyone who reads this.
I hope it's doctor doom that's what the mcu needs right now a op doctor doom
Haven’t watched the vid just yet, but I’m wondering when has “Kang” become a problem? Outside of Majors, what has been the issue with the character himself? He’s great and Majors is great as him. Hope everything works out!
That's literally the whole point of the video.
Kang didn’t die, he shrunk and will be back, in fact I think He Who Remains, Kang and Victor Timely are all the same guy, He Who Remains said that he would be back so this is his journey.
You're absolutely right
Yup I kinda thought that was a given...why else have the after credit Loki scene.
I was fist thinking Kang sounds a lot like Loki because they both continue to loop their lives.
But after this video he looks more like Gilderoy Lockhart 😂😂
I love that we first meet Kang at the end of time with he who remains. A time traveling conquer. Its perfect.
I think in the end a lot of this stuff comes down to the Pandemic. It caused a lot of changes to scripts and directions of the MCU. Guardians seems to be (mostly) the same from start to finish as it was from after Endgame while stuff like Antman had reshoots due to a worry that it was too down. With the Writer's Guild strike alongside Guardians positive reception, I won't be surprised if there is a change up of how the phase order ends up and fixes a bunch of these issues
Remember, you can't tell someone their future or it doesn't happen. That's the other implication of Strange's "1 way". He even tells Tony, "If I tell you what happens, it won't happen". So I think HWR telling Loki and Sylvie that he just ends up there again cemented a new ending and we WON'T see Kang win.
I love the Trade Federation joke!
I won’t deny that Kang has some issues, but the part where you discuss him fighting the heroes at the end “without his blue beams” … I think those were tech that was destroyed in the initial attack. They made a special effort to zoom in on his gear to indicate that. He didn’t have them available, so that’s how the heroes (and super-tech ants) take him down.
You're missing the point. It's Kang. He shouldn't have lost any ability. That city was designed to take over an entire planet and it was taken out by a small bunch of people.
What was Kang's plan when Earth's forces attack him with missiles? the place would have been destroyed easily.
If Ant-man's foot can do it - then so can 5 tons of bombs.
@@JohnnyWednesday I think you're missing the point and one of the things that this video is very confused about considering he made another video around the same time explaining that very issue.
Kang did not anticipate nor have any precautions for a small group of unknowns attacking him from the inside. Not to mention the unstoppable weight of millions of gigantic, super intelligent ants attacking him; which the guy in this video stated in another video that he made around the same time would have totally owned Kang and would be terrifying under any circumstances.
Also, the ability to fight a conventional war against a large foe does not mean that you are capable of beating a small foe; You simply have to look at United States war history over the last 100 years for evidence of this. The United States has routinely engaged much smaller, weaker people, and nations that we could destroy hundreds of times over and yet we have been beaten back and defeated by these people.... This isn't just a United States issue as history is littered with evidence of this with other great military powers. Don't add your dragon BallZ " but his power level is higher than his So he should win easy with no effort" crap to actual tactics, military situations, or fights.
I don't like this Kang version but you miss the point of him. Hes not dangerous because of his powers or being "unkillable" it's because he Always comes back. Comic history throughout it's been the case
I think it’s cool the different versions of kang. We have never had something like that before. Each one different but the same. I liked that. I hope they don’t just recast him. It’s unfair that the media sentence you before trail these days. But as long as we don’t get more she-hulk I’m fine with it 😂
Thanos' bewilderment to Scarlet Witch's anger against him took me out of the climactic battle. I mean why are the Avengers angry at a guy who has not really done anything yet. He is yet to achieve his goals. IIRC, this is the first time he has met them. An "innocent" guy in the grand scheme of things. Their beef is with the original Thanos who Thor unceremoniously killed.
I thought him constantly dying is what makes it even better you think you beat him but he returns again and again
kang is not the problem, is the writing. This is because of Jonathan majors situation.
Has nothing to do with JM situation. The problems existed before that, and as you said, it all comes down to the writing. That's pretty much it.
The actor's own issue has nothing to do with the movie. It's how they write the character and the movie. That's the problem. They can recast Majors anytime they want.
As far as the story goes, yes, it's writing. As for the actor overacting, they have stated that they let him bring his own style to the character, so that's on him.
These criticisms of how Kang was so easily defeated so many times are irrelevant to someone with infinite variants and all the time in the multiverse. He learns from every defeat.
Thanos did not remember all our heroes but Nebula did show him his destiny. He knew the Avengers survivors of the blip. Perhaps Nebula had shown others from her memory store? So he had an overview but not each individual. 🤔
What I think we will find with Kang is that Loki ends up being critical to his defeat. After a rewatch of Loki, I kind of think Kang chose Loki to keep his enemies close: an intelligent enemy needs a kindred spirit to keep them on their toes. An equal. Except now there are two Loki variants that make that equality imbalanced. This is just a thought during the rewatch. 🤔
Another video giving me food for thought. Thanks Ryan.👍
What if Victor Timely isn't just He Who Remains but the variant who creates the Iron Lad persona? Using reverse aging technology (by Scott Lang) to throw off his other variants and stand out. Where he joins the Avengers and later creates alternate versions of He Who Remains in each cycle whenever he retires. Keeping his variants in check. Just theories. Thanks to anyone who reads this.
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that Kang from Quantumania is THE one that we’ll see as the ultimate version. It has to be He Who Remains. Remember he also referred to himself as “conquerer” in that episode. There’s a reason he was able to beat every other Kang in the first place, so no way Sylvia was just able to kill him like it was nothing (even though she couldn’t even touch him in the elevator). I’m just not sure what reason he would have to get killed and restart the war besides being bored that all the conquering is finished and wants to do it all again
He Who Remains Literally said that he is tired and old and cba anything anymore so no, Sylvie didn't kill him like it was nothing lol.
The main problem with Kang is that he appeard in Quantumania which was shrunk into a 1 hour movie where it should've been two hours long. I think there was more story to tell in Quantumania both for Ant man and Kang as well.
I think Quantumania would have worked just as fine with the same run time but without a real resolution. Have Kang stay in the Quantum Realm without losing to Scott. Just have Hope stun or blind Kang momentarily while she pulls Scott out of the Quantum Realm as Kang is about to finish him off and you've given a half-resolution that's still pretty satisfying without damaging Kang's credibility too much
@@EmpireGamingWynter I think the film should have been Janet hank and Scott finding Cassie after she goes missing tinkering with her toy and that should have been the goal, not to kill kang. Retrieve Cassie then accidentally bring kang into the the real world , and unleash himself on that timeline.
@@Knightowl1980 I like the concept of ur idea. Only thing about that is that cassie wouldn't have been established as a hero. So it wouldn't work out that way
@@0910yoram was she established as a hero in that film? I think you can still establish her as a superhero even in Captivity.
@DP Yeah I do think that would have worked. As Ryan said, make MODOK the main villain and have Kang find a way to enter the "above world" without them knowing
Random thought... if He Who Remains was only allowing 1 universe to exist, then how did so many variants of loki(or anyone else) exist in the first place? He prunes them when they make a decision he doesn't like but there shouldn't be anything to prune if only 1 universe exists...
tbh imagine if they just showed kang kill hulk effortlessly cutting off his arm killing him in a flash back
Glad you pointed all this out. Let's be honest Marvel is circling the drain
The embarssing part is that's Pixar's next movie.
This guy has made multiple videos just on the Ant-Man and quantumania movie and how awesome it is and where they could possibly be going. And you actually think that marvel is circling a drain? 😂😂😂
Most of the top movies released over the last 5 years have not only been marvel, but their TV shows have garnered ridiculous amounts of eyeballs, money, and acclaim.
Half of this stuff that he says in this video he refutes in another video he made around the same time in fact (He mentions a couple of times that the ants took down Kang but in his other video he points out that not only should this have been the case but it would be unthinkable for King to be able to defeat them).
You are diluted😂😂
You suddenly changed your narrative on Kang, seems like Disney is pushing this news through it's paid outlets.
I never like the Kang version in Antman, but to see you change your opinion of him right when all hell has broken loose with the allegations surrounding the actor.
You could literally started with, Disney has ordered me to make this video.
The elephant in the room is that Kang turned out to be a real life domestic abuser, that's THE big problem for the MCU currently
Fort the MCU, yes, and I hope they drop his ass. But this was in regard to his character in the movie.
Love your in depth attention to detail and your way to put this back on track. I hope marvel watch your chanel.
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I think people are being a little harsh recently on kang’s first portrayal, and I thought we all agreed he def ain’t die but not gonna lie after GOTG3 I get it High Evo was menacing
Why cuz he said bad dog 🐕 he was trash 🗑️
@@delmarfrazier2727 gibberish
Are we just not talking about the other major legal troubles that are at the center of the future considerations for Kang? 👀
Literally my same question... Its the same thing as all the science videos being made that fawn all over SpaceX and Musk while pretending that hes not a petulant child
every version of Kant can’t be the biggest baddy ever
Like the zoomed in
My only issue with Kang in quantumania is that he shouldn't have lost, and ant man should've lost his life to Kang in the final fight scene
Kang not killing Ant man was a missed opportunity. Everyone was ready to have their hearts broken because you can’t tell us this guy is worse than Thanos but then he gets beat by ants?!? He in all his multiversal conquering had never encountered smart ants? Even if nerfed out of time if the ending of Ant man had seen him escape his prison and go god mode on ant man then it would have set up something for the future. Tbh this movie felt like it was a stand alone besides Cassie growing
When was he beat by ants? He killed the ants and survived to keep fighting. It’s like everyone hating on this movie haven’t seen it. Those “ants” were giant and had mech suits and weapons more advanced then Tony’s tech. Andkang defeated them
@@king_vision4085 you mean after they destroyed his invincible suit, city, and and government and military he spent how much time trapped down here creating? And that was my point when he comes back at the end he should have wrecked them and escaped it would have been epic and shown that Scott never had a chance instead he didn’t even need a single avenger, “are you the one with the hammer?” THOR WOULDA WRECKED HIM DOWN THERE 🤣🤣 they should have shown him escape and with all his time abilities
@@alexanderdumas- you mean hundreds of thousands of ants whose weapons and suits were more advanced then Iron Mans armor weren’t able to kill kang? Doesn’t that add to how powerful he is
@@alexanderdumas- again this is antmans 3rd movie and is supposed to show why he’s one of the strongest avengers. But you want him to be weak
@@king_vision4085 this Kang claims to have killed thor so many times he forgot his name. He’s the conqueror of countless multiverses yet he’s never seen smart ants? If only one of the avengers had known a smart ant! All those Thors could have been saved! 😆 pathetic it’s why the movie they made it seem like he was some badass but he got worked by ants and his only power for half the movie was blue blasts when he’s the master or technology even besides time travel his suit seemed to have zero function outside the beam powers so dumb they ruined Kang in this movie
You almost made me hype for the next avengers.Almost......
Gosh this video has good explanations
I'm personally fine with the main Kang being introduced straight-up. Adds a nice contrast to the slow burn we got of Thanos. However, the, I agree that Ant-Man 3 dropped the ball regarding the threat of Kang.
The biggest change I would make is Kang getting out of the Quantum Realm (QR), just without his army and with his suit damaged. Hank is killed trying to protect Janet. Hope and Scott should also be stuck in the QR to get out later during the big battle in F4 or Avengers 5. This would still cement Kang as a looming threat in the MCU, since he obviously unwavering in his cause and has the intellect to back it up, but since the tech in the 21st century isn't up to snuff, he has to be creative and resourceful to get his tech back into a workable condition.
What was wrong is He was defeated by one of the useless Avenger that talk to ants
You’re underestimating ant man. And that’s what’s ruining it. Ant man is the same “useless” avenger who one punched one of Thanos leviathan. The same thing hulk did.
This movie proves why Scott is actually one of the strongest avengers, and people keep hating on him
He can grow to the size of a skyscraper but ok hater you hate on
Useless? He has powers that most avengers can't touch. Look at how he handled Rhodes like a toy figurine at the airport. Antmans a badass, but I understand how many people don't see him that way, he's still silly but he can take out a whole team without even being seen. But hey, to each their own. 👍
@@king_vision4085right? Useless is FAR from correct. Hell, endgame hinged on him and the Pym tech. Without Ant-Man, the snap would never be reversed.
@@king_vision4085 He used "Hank" Tech unlike in the comics it was Hank who is the Ant man.
I mean imagine the Conqueror of the Multiverse where all of the Kang Variants is scared lost to a loser that use a Tech from other people and can't even Understand what's happening.
Excellent!
Im not sure about He Who Remains. He was not bad, but the way you described him was a little exaggerated. That put aside, a multiversal war between heroes and villains from different universes sounds amazing. Different versions of villains and heroes fighting against or aside eachother.
Nice RUN DMC reference.
Your forgetting the fact the ants hit a pocket vortex where they experienced 1000 years in one day
I know I don't get why people keep saying "it was just ants"...
new camera looks crisp
4:33, those lines are probably the most gruesome lines from the mcu
I feel like people wanted Kang to be a singular big bad and they haven't quite wrapped their mind around who exactly is knocking on the door