How to FIX MARVEL After D23 LET DOWN (Hint..it Involves AGENTS OF SHIELD)
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D23 was a let down this year because of the Hollywood strikes and general MCU malaise. But we think that for the studio to fix its problems, it needs to look to Agents of Shield as an example. Then it can regain the glory days of Avengers: Endgame, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and Iron Man.
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now it’s no secret that Marvel is having some problems, and today I’m going to explain what those problems are, and offer up a few solutions on how the studio could regain the fans’ trust and enthusiasm. I mena, their D23 presentation this year was just…kind of depressing-but I’ll talk about that more in a bit.
And I’m not going to be talking about a massive reboot, or bringing in the X-men. I’m going to lak about why the key to fixing Marvel on disney plus is actually…agents of shield.
Doug: That low-rated ABC show?
Yes! Because Agents of shields actually have the key to making Marvel on disney plus work. And as I go through this video, I’m going to talk about the year 2014-because that was a magical year for the MCU, and I think marvel needs to replicate what they were doing 9 years ago to succeed in the future.
Doug: But I don;t get what you're saying. I love marvel..what's wrong with the MCU?
Oh, I still love the MCU. a bad mcu show is still better than most superhero shows out there. But Marvel has seen a pretty steady decline in critical and fan ratings over the years. We talked about why in THIS video, but I’m going to briefly recap now, so we’re aware of all the problems that we need to deal with.
First of all, Marvel began phase 4 dealing with 3 crashes that were not of their making. Disney fired James Gunn, who was set to take on a leadership role, coordinating marvel cosmic projects, and delaying GOTG 3 for years. Then, of course, the pandemic. And worst of all, the tragic passing of Chadwick Boseman, where we lost a brave wonderful person, who was also the star of Marvel's biggest franchise.
Now those are the very public, visible problems that marvel had to overcome. And I think they did pretty well with those. Gunn was rehired, the pandemic shined a spotlight on disney plus shows, and wakanda forever was a masterful film about grief. But marvel has also had some behind the scenes problem-namely, that during phase 4 former disney ceo bob chapek reportedly pursued marvel and lucasfilm to pump out more content for disneyplus.
This lowered the bar of quality, because so few projects revived the attention, care, and visual effects work they served [clips, bad vfx].
I will say that fromer and now current CEO Bob Iger has pumped the brakes on this pipeline, wanting to make marvel and star wars feel like events again. It would also be great if he would pay his writers and actors a fair wage and let them get back to telling the stories we love.
So, back to Marvel. Phase 4’s mission to make us as content as possible made it impossible to interconnect this universe properly. In fact tomorrow we have a video coming out that I’m really proud of, where we rewrite phase 4 to talk about how we could have altered the entire phase to set up the secret invasion avengers movie, instead of a disney plus series.
So this massive freight train of projects marvel creates is built on the back of something called viz-dev, or visual development. Normally, a filmmaker writes a screenplay, then they storyboard the movie, create animatics, and film-and while filming is happening, effects teams get to work on the visual effects. But visual effects take so long to create,that marvel essentially skips a couple steps. They imagine their visual effects sequences first, then build the screenplay around them.
Doug: LikeJohn woo?
Yes, like john woo, who writes screenplays around white doves he wants to include in his movies. The problem is that sometimes the screenplay evolves sina different way. Like they had to reiterate the last act of iron man to add in the icing problem [clip]. And there are other movies with kind of clunky third acts that just didn;t work with the story being told. Like how Shang Chi's father-son conflict was resolved by demon sucking dragoons. Oir how a ground spy thriller like black Widow ended with a sky ship falling. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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Absolutely
Disney isnt done, the movies are doing fine its just you people acting all pissy and spoiled. I’m enjoying the series just fine. Your not the one making the series so it doesn’t just go your way
I miss that weekend of Agents of Shield/Captain America. It was magic. Disney's created wonderful stories since, sometimes amazing (falcon & winter soldier 1st ep arial fight, loki's Richard Grant, guardians 3's heart She-Hulk's 4th wall), (not to mention Andor and maaaayybe Ahsoka?), but the magic of the interplay between the weekly little screen show and the big screen event was important. Hope they can pull off something that special again. Great take, as always.
The surveys are repetitive and take soooooo long for very little points
Ryan makes some great points here. One of the biggest problems with the post credits scenes that we're getting now (thinking of Dr Strange, Thor, even Guardians) is that instead of teasing the next Marvel project, they're teasing what's next for this character, meaning if we ever get a follow-up to this post credit scene, it's not coming for another 4 or 5 years.
How is that a problem?
100%. The post-credit scenes are a big problem because they used to build excitement for the next (or near to next) project in line - usually less than a year away. Meaning those threads didn't remain hanging for very long. They also helped bring these characters worlds together so they didn't feel so isolated - they felt part of a bigger whole. Now though, the post-credit scenes don't build excitement as much as they foster frustration because by the time you even get to see what that post-credit scene leads to, you've already forgotten about it. The only post-credit scene since End Game that has actually been followed up on is from No Way Home. None of the rest of them - and there have been 8 others - have resulted in anything yet.
@@ryhanon7we just finally got a follow up 10 years later from Thor The Dark World in Secret Invasion.
@@ghiggs8389 huh? What are you talking about? That was an infinity stone tease.
@@ryhanon7 the frost beast from the jotunheim jumping around on rooftops post credit scene.
Disney NEEDS to listen to you right now. You’re preaching facts, bro! 👏
Maybe to the choir.
They don't need to listen to him because they're hypocrites. Believe me.
they should hire him as a consultant
Why do they need to listen to a random CZcamsr
Nah u can't please fans
I haven’t watched this episode yet, but I just wanted to say that Agents of Shield was great and is super underrated.
Agents of Shiels as a show was massively underrated. Season 5 is one of the best Marvel storylines ever
That was my least favourite lol. My favourite was the life model decoy plotline
Season 4 is my favorite
i hated season 5 not because it was bad i was mad things weren’t going well 😂😂
That’s when they went to space and blew up earth? If it is that one IS good but doesnt really get good until like halfway thru the season
@@NadeemShekh-uy9zn💀🔥⛓️
What you also failed to mention is that they did another thing where Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. during the second season did a lead up episodes to Age of Ultron, including how Coulson found out where Loki's Scepter was being held at, and how Coulson and Eric Keonig was working on Theta Protocol, which was the repair of Hilicarrier 64, which Fury used to help the Avengers in Sokovia. We NEED Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. back in the MCU, they were the continuity that is missing so much in the MCU right now, and who better to assemble a new Avengers team, but S.H.I.E.L.D., Coulson and Fury teaming up together again.
Two things.
#1 Marvel Agents of Shield was an awesome show! I've rewatched it a few times since it first aired. The way they set up the crossover between TV and movie was genius and I've been saying Marvel needs to do more of that for years!
#2 People need to realize that the MCU as we know it is over! They blew their wad and now we're left with what's left. Marvel gave us all the biggest and best story lines and now they're struggling trying to recreate that magic instead of moving in a different direction and just giving us good content. It's going to be difficult to intertwine big story lines like that again. It isn't impossible, but it's highly improbable.
You really must not read many comics if you think marvel has already blown through their best stories 😂
That shield crossover with winter soldier was one of the coolest things done in TV
I really enjoyed Agents of Shield and my mind was blown when it interconnected with Winter Soldier. The show is underrated and by the last season explained time travel and multiple dimensions better than the MCU has so far.
Don't forget A.O.S. was actually in tune with Marvel up to Thanos. Also was crucial in Age Of Ultron. The Helicarrier was built by Culsons team.
Did not expect you to be talking about agents of shield! Its such an underated show and i stand by the fact it's Marvel's best show they've made. If its canon or not is debatable. All i know is that it's a one of a kind show that starts slow but gets incredibly good! Anyone that has given up on it, i tell you now. Dont! You won't regret it.
I mean it was good, but doesnt hold a candle to loki, or wandavision. It was Giant apple commercial and has that commercial format.
@@jimboshrump I don't share that opinion I guess. I like having more time with characters so it felt right to me. Loki and WandaVision don't have enough episodes to me. I'm very excited for Loki season 2 but still. Agents of Shield made me fall in love with characters. Some even more than some beloved MCU movie characters. Not saying Loki and WandaVision are bad. Just think they aren't that special. Or at least to me.
@@jimboshrumpthat’s hilarious
I knew heavy spoilers apparently did breakdowns of the show when it originally aired
It's not debatable that it's in a separate multiverse. It completely contradicts the main MCU.
I absolutely love when you (for free!!) tell Marvel how to fix things. I hope they have someone on staff tuned in because I think you have great ideas. Looking forward to the phase 4 remake vid, as well.
Destination D23 is not D23 expo. Destination is all about the parks and cruise ships. Expo happens every other year.
I *still* talk about coming out of the theater after CA:TWS and being incredibly excited about AOS. That inter-connectivity makes it ONE story, instead of a bunch of unrelated minor episodes.
Because I'm a full-service nerd, I'm just going to point out that it was ‘Destination D23’ this weekend, not ‘D23’ (which is a similarly named, but different, event). They alternate years.
I was gonna post the same thing letting him know he got it wrong but now I don't need to....lol
Thank you for phrasing it as "the studios are refusing to end the strikes", as opposed to "if the strikes end"
I've been saying this too. So many slag off Agents of shield and yet it's one of my favourite marvel shows ever. Paved way for more marvel live action shows. They did so many storylines and touched on stuff the MCU didn't.
I liked the point you made about Agents of Shield. If Disney/Marvel is going to push the streaming only shows, they need to connect it to the larger universe in general.
The realization of Ward turning in combination with the fall of shield was one of the best moments in MCU history
Loki at the end of Quantumania I think was the only thing they managed to connect films and D+ this phase.
Except when everything was connected everyone complained about it being too reliant on the connections.
Exactly. This channel in fact complained about shows / movies being a commercial for the next big thing. Pick a lane. Having said that, this is still one of my favorite pop culture channels.
@@stuartbagley2586 Yes. It is clearly the best. It's balanced... even towards the positive compared to other pop culture YT channels. Nevertheless my criticism wasn't concrete about this channel. I think people were saying back then we want this character, that character, more more more. And they have given it to us... if they hadn't listened they would still receive criticism. But I don't know. I trust Feige this universe is his little project and he is excited about it.... if he ever leaves marvel without leaving behind a protege that will probably be my cue to let the MCU go.
I'm glad the MCU is (forcefully) taking a few steps back as this may be the only positive thing coming from the WGA-SAG strikes, but I can definitely see your point. They need to do a little more to restore their name. And while I do think that Disney+ is better than any television network, the "synchronization" between the Disney+ series and MCU films have recently been caught lacking more often than not.
100% - and not even just lacking, but almost purposely? Which is a BIG no-no, considering WE are the ones paying for these shows & movies, and Disney is like, "MORE! MOOOREE!!". The better product you put out, the more we will love it and the more we will pay and buy to see said product. Put out a bunch of crap product, expect less people to care and less money to come your way.
Agents of Shield is one of my favorite things about the MCU. Seasons 1-3 are up there with Infinity War/Endgame.
It was Agent's of Shield that got me hooked, I hadn't really gotten into the MSU until I went to see Thor the Dark World where they trashed Greenwich in London and that very episode of the Agent's of Shield later on in the evening featured the Agent's on the ground in London clearing up the mess, even to the point of wishing there was an Asgardian god of cleaning up
I'd love to see an Avengers Disney+ show that has 1-off or 2-off episode arcs that help tie up loose ends, brings heroes together that haven't been explored yet, and can drive the narrative toward the big ensemble movies. And it should be easier since you only have a few big star calendars to work around for an episode or 2.
Gaia's Drax arm wasn't only bad because of the poor CGI and weird size; with all the heavy hitters' DNA, why would she pick Drax?
That really killed it for me. I mean Gaia now has to be stronger than most of the heros right?😮
YES! BRING AGENTS OF SHIELD BACK PLEASE!!! I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR YEARS!!!
Me tooo Aos forever
They shouldn't have done multiversal damage so soon after Endgame. I think it should have beeb a gradual build up to Kang. Maybe use the shows and teases in movies. I thought loki was a great explainer though
Uh-huh, phase 4 should have been all about the impact and repercussions of Endgame
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Every movie from Phase 4 should have ended with the reveal of a character we know having been a Skrull all along, and Secret Invasion should have been Nick Fury learning about what we already know and dealing with the ramifications of that. And every Secret Invasion episode should have ended with the reveal of another character (from the upcoming Phase 5 films) being revealed to US to be a Skrull, but still unknown to the other characters and even Nick Fury. It would have given us a reason to give a damn, given us secret information (just like the comics did), and really increased the tension and anticipation for the upcoming movies. Secret Invasion needed to be a multi-film, multi-show story line across several phases. Not a wet fart of a TV show on a streaming service.
Everything from phase 4 just introduced younger characters of the same characters we have. Even antman. Ugh 😩
I couldn't agree more.
OMG yes! Marvel needs to hire you!
I remember that episode of Agents of Shield was the cherry on top after Winter Soldier (never forget the opening sequence with "Don't Fear the Reaper)
The first series of Disney+ really were big events and needs to feel that way again and more connected with the movies
The problem of the MCU is Disney, and the problem won't go away as long as the producers have control of the movies, instead of helping the directors to create great movies.
The company of Disney itself? No. The people that run Disney? Yes
I think you may have the movie-making chain of command wrong. Producers are vital in making movies, more so than the directors. The producers acquire the screenplay/script and find the directors to get it all on film. The producers also hire all the set crews, like production designers and so on. They also manage the film’s budget. The director just solicits performances and keeps things together on set with schedules and so forth.
I believe your gripe is actually with the studio execs, not the producers. However, sometimes they’re one and the same, but not often. Often times the director is also one of the producers.
@@eyespy3001Ok, then, Disney's producers are to blame because directors don't matter. Whatever.
Been saying this for the longest AoS had the BEST formula from movies and to TV connection ! AoS was a great show and they should bring those characters back it was a crime that Coulson did not re connect with Avengers one last time when he was alive , the russo brothers did not want any leaks of Infinity war coming out so they stop communicating with the show runners of agents of shield and also ABC did not give a release day of season 5 to the MCU so that made it worse AoS characters will make a come back
Great point with Thor. I expected Thor to be cheesy when I heard they were doing it, but when I saw that hammer I got PUMPED. Also true about Ironheart. Why go through the trouble of introducing that character if the show isn’t coming out for multiple years? The whole studio is directionless right now
I loved Agents of Shield! And Quake! With good writers, a Quake show would be awesome!
You make a lot of great points. Disney+ needs to be more episodic shows like Agents of Shield and one off specials like Werewolf by night. They really need to pump the brakes on so much of this and focus on getting good stories first. They really do not seem to have a clue how to make stories that have the time to tell them without so much filler they get boring or just bad. I do not know how much the whole DEI stuff is affecting any of this but there seems to be projects that have no connection to what I would really care about or want to watch.
You're absolutely right about the post credit scenes. They used to be cool and recently, its just corny bs or endless teasing for 10 years later. It should be snippets. That Kang one in Antman was just bad.
I have a general idea that I've had for a while and have been thinking of it more than ever lately.
They need to do this whole thing (Disney+ and feature films that eventually end up on Disney+) like comics. Everyone big should have their own show and they don't have to be 10 episodes. They can be a total of 3 or 4 hours long broken down into episodes of various lengths depending on the style of the show.. Then the only things that are films are team movies (think Guardians or Avengers but like all of them eventually) and major event culminations.
Episodic build up in shows that are all done in their own styles (like comic runs with certain artists and writers) and then the movies are the big Marvel spectacles. Huge battles, dragons, galactic beings and all the action/CGI stuff is on the big screen. But we love it because it's a culmination of all of these various shows that had their own personalities.
Plus, we'd grow to care about the secondary and tertiary characters because they've been spread through the shows and we all know them from so much various exposure. I think it's a way for them and us to have our cake and eat it too.
The first run of Marvel shows had it right. All very different from one another. All based around big characters in the MCU. That should be the formula if they're going to follow one. That's my opinion, at least.
i watched all of AOS when it was airing, i love that show and am always bumped that MCU abandoned them
In regards to the glut of online events where we expect trailer dumps, and the pressure this puts on Marvel Studios, this same situation is why Apple stopped doing keynote events at the MacWorld conference… back when that conference was a thing.
That Winter Soldier crossover with Shield was absolutely epic. For me personally, it was right up there with Infinity War and Endgame in terms of awesomeness.
Thor Dark World had a secret preview of Winter Soldier's elevator scene in a cold opening. Everyone thought it was part of the movie and not a preview until it ended. It really built up the hype for that movie. Also Marvel probably expected Thor Dark World to be rather dull so they needed to hype up the next movie.
Agents of Shield is a fantastic show. It does not get the credit it deserves.
I will always be upset about how Marvel treated Agents of Shield. They had so many opportunities to make it interconnected throughout and just screwed the cast, crew and writers instead by cutting them out of the planning for the MCU. I wholly agreed with everything Ryan said in this video.
I think the biggest problem Marvel has now is the insane level of secrecy. When you don't let the cast members in a movie see a whole script, you aren't going to allow those working on other projects in on what's going on -- for ex. the disconnect between the writers of WandaVision and Dr. Strange MOM.
The scene where the Maes fight each other was nuts and Grant Ward is one of the greatest MCU characters of all time.
Absolutely 100% spot on analysis. The connected universe storytelling was so pivotal for the MCU and going away from that was a grave error.
Seriously good points! Disney needs to slow down and make more quality not quantity.
this is my favorite movie-content channel. you always deep dive and your observations are informative ~
I agree. But I feel like they also need a whole separate saga that we can see on D+. I think the City Saga of what they are building on the street level with Hawkeye, Echo, Kate Bishop, Spider-Man, Daredevil would be very cool to see
It's all a question about greed at this point. The people in charge think they can make more money by cutting costs instead of producing quality content that people want to see.
Almost all of the D+ bombs were green-lit under Iger not Chapek.
Story is always most important. I don’t care if the VFX take a hit if the story is great. I have enjoyed a lot of the D+ shows. Maybe my least favorite was Secret Invasion. But I still liked it.
Love your sponsor tie ins. They're the most creative and entertaining 🙏
You dropped this today….when I just finished agents of Shield season 1…..because I don’t have any marvel movies to watch……I’ve noticed that Joss Wedon was heavily involved in connection the show to the movies…..AFTER EPISODE 7…..the show is really one of the best projects marvel released before civil war…..I’ve seen it up to the connection to infinity war….and I really do think of Marvel would have connected the shows to the movies there would be so much more hype…if they took more time with the editing and story telling….movies would be better…..and if they paid the actors fair wages…..Chris Evans would have done 6 episodes on returning the infinity stones like we all wanted!!
Thank you so much for this video!!!!
They’ll really have to push out the Multiverse Saga if they want to do more shows and gives us time to enjoy The Fantastic Four, actually have Agatha, Wonder Man shows Armor Wars and Nova films if possible and release Shang-Chi 2 and Eternals 2 if those are really important going forward and hopefully with more time we can get the mutants Spider-Man Midnight Sons and more before Avengers but of course More delays should be necessary to give more quality and of course pay to the writers and animators that deliver these stories and allow directors to have full control over their projects like Werewolf and Vol. 3
There should be more Special Presentations too introducing new characters and world building Werewolf by Night was true quality for a 50 minute special presentation with no filler and jumped right to the point
Less is always more!
Problem is the Multi-verse is now impossible to just forget, I feel like that’ll always be looming as an over arching problem like how do you go bigger then time travel and multi-verses?
@@ronthorn3Multiverse saga should've been last Saga ever. But Fieges plan is to probably merge the Foxverse,F4,SonyVerses,Mile Morales,Netflix everything! And I mean everything merged into one big singular new universe
I agree with your assessment. You have made several good points. I hope somebody is listening out there who can make some changes. Thanks for the video
Ryan and Doug. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🌹
Great idea! Coordinating the films and shows would have made phase 4 so much more connected and made the new characters more relatable.
For about the past 5 years i have said that Agents of Shield is the workhorse of the MCU, filling up the numerous plotholes it left moving on the pavement
You sir have earned the spontaneous rise from the chair with a slow clap that suddenly picks up speed. You keep it up you will earn the lone tear rolling down the hardened character’s cheek.
Agents of Shield should be the standard and FitzSimmons should be as integral to Marvel as Fury.
Hawkeye's penultimate and finale episodes also bookended No Way Home's release, giving us Kingpin, Matt Murdock, and Spidey all in a two week period in the same universe. The feeling of that payoff was incredible after years since the Netflix series ended. Marvel needs to keep that feeling not just with good cameos, but with quality writing and the consistency of characterization. Multiverse of Madness was good, but it completely undercut Wanda's growth in Wandavision because Raimi hadn't seen it. That should never happen in the MCU.
Antman 3 should have been Antman and Doctor Strange recruiting Chang Shi, Vision, She-Hulk and Ms Marvel to investigate a disturbance in the Q. Realm.
The only thing I’m holding on to is that this is the Multiverse Saga, and that we are watching the MCM (Marvel Cinematic Multiverse) in that the characters we have been watching are not on the same Earth. And, everything will connect in Secret Wars, and, in the end,we will all be amazed at the genius of it all where we can do rewatches of different universes.
Probably way too much to hope for, but dum spiro, spero.
the Eternals movie was so poorly lit , the director didn't know how to film in low light, and why the fuck were they using low light in the first place
I enjoyed The Agents of SHIELD.... Definitely wish it returned
The whole synchronisation of Agents of SHIELD with The Winter Soldier certainly worked...if you were in the USA
Here in the UK the events/episodes that were supposed to sync up didn't, we got the episode setting up Sitwell being on the Lemurian Star way after Winter Soldier came out in cinemas
Thank you! It seems like everyone forgot about how the show connected to the movie and then you came back to the show, all those years ago. It was great! I think at one point they even advertise how Marvel was all connected.
i didn't like in the Eternals that the Deviants were changed from being walking talking colored humanoids like Thanos, to grey four legged dinosaur dogs that didn't talk
Ditto
Agents of Shield had good story arks, characters, tv action and Bill f**king Paxton!!!
Absolutely great video!
The only thing that could save the MCU is DEADPOOL 3 and unfortunately that's being postponed.
Postponed AGAIN!
Daaamn my heart is so warm hearing the disclaimer speed "by the way that show is way underrated you should watch it" the AoS fandom is out of control on the Internet so it's nice to have a rational take supporting it
These are genius ideas. And you clearly love the MCU. Disney NEEDS to listen to you!
I really appreciate that you speak on how Marvel can improve more often than what they're doing wrong. Kudos
Agents of SHIELD was f-ing amazing! The Ward-twist! OMG! Bring back Gabriel Luna Ghost Rider!
I am VERY glad my wife and I went to see Winter Soldier on the first weekend. That *was* perfect timing, how it meshed with Agents of SHIELD.
Quality over quantity, better writing, more character crossovers like in Civil War, IW, and EG
I’m sorry but this entire video got me hyped again for the MCU! You mentioning all those things from the past! Wow that was so peak MCU! What a time!! I really hope we get back to something like that
I’ve been saying these things since eternals was released. Every project in phases one two and three was somehow interconnected: Nick Fury, Shield… Antman with Shield… doctor strange and thor post credits scene… thanos appearing in gotg and age of ultron… post credits scenes shouldn’t be about new characters that we won’t see until 5 years later. They should be about the movies/shows that are happening at the same time. Marvel should get their shit together or they’re going to have DC’s fate: new good movies such as Blue Beetle being destroyed at the box office because fans have stopped caring.
I really liked moon knight I was hoping that he’d get more screen time or a movie. But it seemed like they just dropped him.
Strong agree on Disney+ running commentary tracks, and, of course, restoring the interconnectedness of the MCU (because it should be a universe).
Want to win fans back? SLOW DOWN. There is just too damn much content, and enough actors. It all looks cheap lately.
You are so on point with your theories and ideas when it comes to the MCU I wish they would hire you to make their show dates
This is such a great take! Well said! Doug, you nailed it, as usual. Tell Ryan he did all right, too.
DUDE!! YOU HIT IT ON THE NAIL! GREAT VIDEO
I hope someone at Disney watches this. You nailed it
Ryan can you episode or season breakdowns of Agents of SHIELD?! I’ve been rewatching it recently and have been waiting for a channel to do one!
I hope that people at Marvel Studios are watching your content; I agree with a lot of this.
Bring back Agents of SHIELD would be the smartest move . But Disney being Disney will budget cut ,half ass future projects and i see no signs of that stopping
Why does anyone defend the Eternals? That movie was a boring mess. More creative control for the director wouldn't have helped. Chloé Zhao is the mastermind behind boring independent movies.
Currently in Season 4 of my second watch of Agents of Shield and man do I love it. Such an underrated show and was great for intertwining with the first three phases
Ryan hit the nail on the head this whole video. and i must say that i *loved* Multiverse of Madness (huge Raimi fan) but that 2nd post credits sequence almost ruined the whole affair for me. what a terrible terrible shit on the ending of the movie.
I had no problem with Ms Marvel or Moon Knight, I think because I already knew a couple of years ago that they were headed for Young Avengers and The Midnight Sons, and I think they hype would have been better if they had gone ahead and announced that, even if they didn't know when. Though I did like piecing together this "knowledge" on my own based upon the gradual build-up of team players... Like I knew Yelena Belova was coming, then Kate Bishop, the Kamala Khan; and Moon Knight and White Vision made me think... "West Coast Avengers?" but then Werewolf By Night introduced THREE new characters critical for the midnight gang, especially with the darker Steven Strange. Oh, and the OBVIOUS Easter egg in She-Hulk of the coming Ghost Rider. Etc. It's just been really fun for me, but I've noticed a lot of other fans not keep up with my enthusiasm because they didn't see the bigger picture. Oh, Thunderbolts or Dark Avengers signs were coming as well long before that announcement was made. Too much Disney Plus, too fast was definitely bad, a lack of clear interconnectivity as well, a lack of more end credits, and the of course Covid upending planned sequential order was the main catastrophe that wasn't helped by Disney just shoving things out willy-nilly without regrouping. (And due to the strikes--effing executives!!!!!--2024 will be a near-total wash. I'm glad it looks like they're resetting all their plans for Secret Wars already and might even GIVE US some more of these other team-ups before getting to Avengers 4 and 5. (They shouldn't be named Avengers anymore but "Marvel Teamups," and Kang the Conquerer and Secret Wars should be Marvel Teamups like 7 and 11, with 4 being Thunderbolts, 5 Young Avengers, 6 Midnight Sons, 8 West Coast Avengers, and 9 X-Men.)
Luv all ur thoughts here, would say the key for them is to improve their product mainly in writing and vfx.
Speaking as a class A disney nerd here, the D23 event held this year was the more minor 'destination d23' which is held bi-annually where in the past has been more of a very nuanced and specific conference to a particular theme for that year.
The big comic-con style event would be the d23 expo which is held every other year. The most recent of which was last year.
d23 has only recently started to try and make destination d23 more like the expo/comic cons but as you have very accurately pointed out, we already have too many of them and disney have created a problem in trying to make this event into another one but has caused there to be confusion into what the event is, (more of a fan centric event and less mainstream) and what it is not.
At past destination d23 events there would always be little minor updates about projects which would have already been announced. Outside of the theme park community these events would never be looked at with any expectation of getting anything new that wasnt already known about.
I agree with you about Disney Plus. I specifically download it Disney Plus so that I can watch one division. And I was very satisfied. But now they're raising the price to about $24 now and these shows feel so crappy. But you're right. Marvel's worst show is still better than a regular show. I enjoyed all of them but they just don't slap the way one division and Loki season 1 did
One problem is their end credit scenes lately been mid. It’s teasing anything, nothings connected. They’ve become an extra scene for a joke, instead of a peek behind the curtain. Lost its magic.
I felt so old when he said 2014 was 9 years ago. Damn, 2014 feels like not too long ago.
So on point!
Bro your examples were spot on. With how things were supposed to be connected. Everything is just a jumbled mess right now. Hopefully with Bob Iger back in, things will feel better. It does feel a long time Captain Marvel comes out, which is actually a good thing because I do want it to feel like an event. I love the MCU, but this needs to change. This is coming from a guy who purchased the Scott Lang meta autobiography book from Ant-man Quantumania. Great book by the way.
Ryan, i heard that they don't write anything down in the writer's rooms . that they just gab and talk, and they don't even write down what they say, if they are called "writers" then they should "write" what they are saying in the writer's room and the director and producer should get to read it