The Sidelining of Benedict Bridgerton (Season 3 Review & THE SHOCKING TRUTH about Making Television)
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- Colin Bridgerton (Luke Newton) and Penelope Featherington (Nicola Coughlan) star in Netflix's Bridgerton season 3, following in the footsteps of Anthony Bridgerton (Jonathan Bailey) and Kate Sharma (Simone Ashley), and Simon Basset (Regé-Jean Page) and Daphne Bridgerton (Phoebe Dynevor).
In this video, I do a deep dive into the sidelining of Benedict Bridgerton (Luke Thompson) in Bridgerton season 3, the over-development of Cressida Cowper, the mechanics of television screenwriting & production!
This is the second review of multiple videos I will be making about Bridgerton season 3!
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0:00 Intro to Video Topic
3:30 Benedict’s (Lack of) plot in Season 3 Part 1
17:32 Exposing the secrets of Television Screenwriting & Production in Hollywood 👀
48:06 C-Tier Characters & The Cressida problem
57:26 The (Missing) Bridgerton Family Banter
1:03:31 My Self-Indulgent C-Tier Plot for this video
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what is this Mind subplot that is talked about at 51:31?
Benedict gave up his big dream of being an artist, so where is Eloise asking him, why he quit art school ( cause they seemed to have great connection in Season 2 )? Why is nobody else talking about his choice?
I think the time skip causes issues. Like "hey Ben remember when you quit art school 4 months ago, what was that about?" Could have been awkward? Still really disappointing they just dropped the art angle even if they pick it up again later in S3.
I'm really hoping he has a heart to heart with someone about it, any sibling really. Also I think it's odd Anthony doesn't really see what he did he's just like "good job bro, taking care of business while I was away" and Ben's not like "you ruined my life you berk". I hope there's a confrontation there (Anthony is kind of a crap brother).
And in Book 4 (which I have read now but have not read Book 3, there is a brief mention about Benedict being a successful artist so like... WHERE is the follow through on him dealing with those feelings of struggling with his art?!)
I hope they will pick up this story line again with a simple question like "Do you miss doing art?" Or something like that. Cause this would be a question I would ask my brother if he would give up his life goal 😅. An opportunity missed by Colin (violet told us, Colin being the most sensitive and caring, so why not SHOW us? Would have given his character more substance), Eloise (too busy with cressida instead) and Anthony (too busy with being in love😍😅)
I am sure they will mention it eventually. He's been busy with filling in for Anthony, trying to find a purpose. Try something different for a bit. He still feels like he's not good enough, especially with finding out Anthony paid for his spot at the college. He's going to need the inspiration again. Hopefully, meeting Sophie will do that. I am hoping we see her or at least have a ball with him meeting her.
I kept seeing people joke about Luke being so secretive about Benedict's story this season because it was supposed to introduce Sophie, or maybe be super important to the plot to set him up for S4. After the first half of this season, it kinda just feels like he was so quiet and hush-hush because... he literally had NOTHING to say.
I agreeeeee 100%
I wish they would stop wasting that man! The skip hurt enough but I hope he gets something better than scandalous sex partners part 3 before end of this season.
@@lucentaunisage im hoping that maybe there'll be a storyline that deepens a little? like, he falls for her, but she's not looking for love, and he realises he really wants to have a permanent partner & goes to look? it would be a good set up, but i don't think they thought that far tbh
Benedict had better lead the next season because I'm not sure how long I can wait! Luke Thompson is such a good actor and really owns his character. Fingers crossed the showrunners give us Benedict in season 4.
Somebody's getting dropkicked in the throat if Benedict isn't next! Seriously.
When playing croquet at the end of season 2, Colin scored through the #3 hoop and Benedict scored through the #4 hoop. This was intentional.
@@czczczczczcz yup. And Eloise made the 5th . . .
@@czczczczczcz I swear I’ve looked so hard but never saw Benedict hit through any hoop so I’m trusting you!!
If I were someone interested in making money off an audience, and there's a loud part of the audience gagging for a character, I'd probably also keep that character around for as long as possible without solving any of his character arcs..
Probably the most out-there detail of the first half of Season 3 is when Violet describes Colin as being kind and having a joke handy to make people laugh. Like, what? That’s not Colin, that’s Benedict! Are you sure you know your kids, Violet? Are you sure you know them?
FR!!!!!!! that pissed me off so much.. like this season and the previous one gave me the impression that ben is kind of the forgotten son :(((( i rlly hope in this season or the benedict one that gets acknowledged cause that was frustrating af
THANK YOU!!! I watched these episodes with my friends and I mentioned that too
Agreed. I was surprised too. It's not that Colin isn't like that. But it hasn't been shown much while it is constant with Benedict.
Colin is more sensitive than Benedict though.
I suppose that's what you get when you mix up characters personalities from the book (show Benedict is much more like Book Colin than himself)
Agreed!
@@elisa4620 I've been saying this since Season 1. They took much of Colin's personality and gave it to Benedict. 😮💨 I'm still upset abt it lol. I love Ben, but I feel like they did Colin a little dirty and not as much personality.
Okay I have noticed something about Benedict, even with his lack of scenes - the man gives up too easily. He doesn't fight for anything. So I'm thinking when they finally get to him (they better get to him), it's going to "Have a purpose. Stick with it. Fight for it."
It seems to me Benedict has the same storyline every season: starts off the supportive background sibling, wants to paint, meets woman whilst painting, has affair with said woman. Rinse and repeat ... Without the painting this season.
I think that after Benedict gave up the arts last season the writers don't know what to do with him now because he was always the "art boy brother".
We definitely need more than 8 episodes of Bridgeton. 14 would be amazing but I’ll take 10. Plus I’ll be pissed if Benedict isn’t on for next season!! And of course the release model needs to change!
Back when they used to have those M*rvel shows on Netflix, those had 13 episodes and that would’ve been MUUUUUUUCH better for a show with an ensemble as large as the Bridgerton one. They need to either cut some characters out or extend the episode count or else we’re probably going to have this same complaint with each season release. 👀😅
@@LadyJenevia 13 episodes would be amazing and Bridgeton is a successful show, which has a proven track record. I don’t mind going into more details if they have a larger episode count, that’s fine.
I think the new show runner this season has missed the mark a bit. Your point about the relationship of the Bridgeton family with each other being one of the main threads of the storyline, it makes this very rich family from another time much more relatable to a modern audience.
Totally agree the Cressida storyline is not necessary. She’s a baddy “mean girl” but that’s ok it’s her role.
Having said that I loved many other parts of the story… Polin especially they really got right, the two main actors did a brilliant job!
Now we have to wait a month for the next bit !! Baaaa humbug
I swear, Netflix is scared of the power he has on us.
In my opinion the “thesis” of S4 is going to be about Benedict coming to terms with actually falling in love versus having a physical relationship because that’s all we’ve seen from him so far. There’s also (if the book is an indicator) going to be some tension due to social class and Benedict being refused a strictly physical relationship.
Perhaps we’ll revisit the topic of Benedict’s season 3 arc after Part 2 is out but I really can’t elaborate on what’s in Part 2 until those episodes are out because we’ve been put under embargo. 🙃🙃🙃
Understood, this is just some theorizing on my part based on what I've seen and read so far.
I think you're right. I think Benedict is going to develop feelings for Lady Tilly, only to be rejected by her. Like, he wants something deeper and she just wanted to mess around without any ties to each other, leaving Benedict a little heartbroken but ready to fall in love for real in season 4. (Please let season 4 be his season!)
@@jessicasaccone7608 I really really REALLY hope we get Benedict’s story in S4! And I hope Lady Tilly is not Sophie’s stepmother or something weird. Nobody wants a Mrs Robinson situation.
@@kaylahensley1581 IKR!! I hope not too, it was lend a vile quality to their relationship. I’ve heard some speculation that Cressida will be married off (since her mother is named Araminta 🙄) and that Cressida may fill in for one of the sister’s roles. I hope not but I thought it was interesting.
Still watching the video but personally I wish they had saved the Mondrich storyline from this season for Benedict and Sophie’s. Their strong work ethics and sudden transition to noble-dom would’ve been a nice compliment to the class dynamic convos/tension that Sophie introduces through her relationship with Benedict. So I hear anyway - I haven’t read the books, but since they’ve changed Benedict so much I’m sure the plot/Sophie will too.
But Benedict is friendly with them already so it wouldn’t be strange for them to be involved in some way around his relationship - perhaps as a confidant for him and/or Sophie. There’s so much the writers could do with them to compliment and support a Cinderella-esque dynamic between the leading couple, and it would give more substance to the Mondrich’s own storylines too. The couples could provide mutual support to one another.
I personally believe side stories should a) progress the main plot, b) progress a future plot, and/or c) provide some meaningful thematic parallel to the main thread of the story. That’s why most people LIKE the Mondrich family this season but don’t CARE about them, and why they worked best in season 1 and struggled in 2.
They’re good characters, and bring a fresh POV to the 1% world of Bridgerton, but they’re not being used effectively. I feel bad for the actors who have to watch their characters get backlash when it could’ve totally been avoided. They’re doing a genuinely good job with what they’re given and I hope they know how wonderful they are!!
if francesca is the next season it's so over i could DIE before i see benedict's season this is SO SERIOUS
I will say that I really liked Francesca’s introduction so she’s probably my 2nd place currently of which love story I’m looking forward to but one hundred percent Benedict is still my number one!!!
Fran won't be next, it would be extremely uncomfortable to watch her story so soon... no spoilers 😅
@PoopHobbit I agree, considering her story in the book I think first part will play out this season and the second part in her season. But it needs a season at least to breathe if not two seasons
@annisillamaa4127 for sure! Actually that's my one gripe with the new season so far - I love, love Francesca both in book and show but imo her romance works because her first marriage just kind of... happens! Which also sets her apart from her family! I still enjoyed it, but there aren't enough episodes for everyone right now lol
Having Francesca's season next would be pretty much impossible because of how her story in the books starts. It would also be super confusing for people who haven't read the Books, considering she's already a widow by the time we really get started with her story so i think her season will be season 5 at earliest, maybe even season 6 if they choose to show Eloise's story first. I do really hope we'll get a Francesca season though. Her Book was my second favorite after Benedicts.
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The two things I got from Part 1 were that Benedict lacks a sense of purpose and that he is resistant to the idea of marriage. His resistance against marriage reminds me of how Anthony was before his season. I like how you pointed out that Benedict always seeks out relationships rather than casual hookups. Even if he is unaware of it, I do think that Benedict is searching for a long-lasting romantic relationship and maybe his relationship with Lady Tilly Arnold will help him realize that by the end of the season. Also, I’m hoping that Benedict revisits the idea of doing art again in his season because I truly think that is his purpose.
Honestly, the Bridgerton watching experience would be even more fun if we had once a week episode drops. Having a week (INSTEAD OF A MONTH) to discuss each episode be so fun, and I feel like it would also engage more casual fans in discussion too while the show is coming out. And if Netflix wanted people to stay longer, it would have people subscribed to their service longer anyways.
When Euphoria season 2 came out, it was so fun to talk to people about the episodes as it released weekly and it ended up being something like the most tweeted about show ever! Tbh most of the talking was just venting, but still I feel like the once a week episode drops fosters more social interactions and overall makes the watching the show a more enjoyable experience that sticks with you (excuse my terrible run on sentence lol). Even though Euphoria S2 after episode 2 ended up being a hate watch for my friends and I, the actual discussion of the show as it came out is still something that was really fun!
Also great video! I feel like talking to an actual writer for TV shows gave a lot of us insight we wouldn’t have had otherwise!
EXACTLY! Of course the most hardcore fans can stay active even during a two-year hiatus by discussing things in detail, doing rewatches, looking through books (if they want to look ahead at potential spoilers which I DO NOT 😂) and so on and so forth but if you really want a show to be successful you can’t just release things for the hardcore fans. Casual people who are half-watching while they fold their laundry have to also be kept on the hook of being drop-fed the story week by week.
EXACTLY
I think it would've been smart to pair Benedict with Kate this season (Maybe Anthony wants a portrait of Kate & a callback to book Kate who liked to watercolour). Maybe through bonding with Kate he learns a little bit more and becomes a bit more serious about romance in the future (kind of a similar thing with end of S1 Anthony).
That’d be such a good concept
Wait, this is such a good idea what-
I’m not going to give any book spoilers but I feel like Cressida and her family will have something to do with Benedict’s storyline. Specially if they don’t want to introduce more characters and families next season. Cressida’s family could work in place of another important family in Benedict’s story
Hi! To me it almost felt like he was holding back on jokes and his usual witty contribution to the family banter. And it was such a shame, seen as it started with that "Mozart's Funeral March" banger 🤣
I hope it's all a built up for the second part and ultimately for his main character season 😎
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I can see why viewers were disappointed with Ben's scenes, and I totally agree on the filler part. But I think he's supposed to be coming off as a bit lost and depressed to set him up for season 4. Which is pretty similar to Anthony and Colins set ups for their seasons.
I do think it wouldve have been more interesting to see him commenting on how losing his art/creative outlet has affected him. Even just one time.
So to me his character makes sense, kind of moody, taking an interest in the first no strings, intriguing woman he meets. But because he's not having any heart-to-hearts like he did with El in S1 it's coming across as very flat.
I'm kind of hoping something (anything!) happens with Ben in part 2, but I'm guessing he's just going to get dumped and be even more mopey???
Everything you said about the lack of Bridgerton family material and Benedict filler...I completely agree 💯
It's becoming more obvious that Shondaland getting the Bridgerton book rights was NEVER about creating a TV series about the Bridgerton family, but wanted to insert QC into the Bridgerton universe and add side characters to create drama for the sake of drama. The Bridgerton family hasn't been a priority for them.
I agree. The featherington storylines take up waay too much screentime.
Portia trying to get her daughters pregnant was funny, but that should have been 3 minutes of screen time at the most.
PLEASE let my darling Benedict be season 4!!! He's my favorite in everything, book series, show, give me Ben.
My prediction is Benedict season 4, Eloise Season 5 and Francesca season 6. Judging from the Book timelines, that order would make the most sense, especially since Francesca is already a widow by the time we really get started with her story.
@@michellehawk282 I think they might do Francesca's first husband in the coming season, to set her up for her actual season, whoever else is next.
@@promisedjubileedanielsYeah that would make sense, especially since in the Books, her first husband is John Stirling, whom they already introduced in this season so they could show her being married to John in the next season.
I felt like the romance was rushed between Colin and Penelope, i want a longer season even 10-12 episodes where they introduce Sophie because they swapped the stories around for season 3 & 4, definitely will tune in for the second half of season 3
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Aside from meeting Sophie (which I expect to happen in the final episode) and maybe building up to a new breaking point for Benedict since they chose not to make use of him leaving art school, he is set up for his season. I do wonder if it was intended for him to be season 3 until it was decided to rush the Colin storyline (all they would need to do is replace Colin talking about Pen with Benedict meeting Sophie at the final ball). This leaves Benedict in the place of stalling or adding trumped up drama leading into his own season.
I'm even more disappointed with how little scenes Kanthony has. But at least it was beautiful (their chemistry, magnetism and love) 😍
I’ve had ENOUGH of them. Their season is over, and they had more than enough screen time last season, all the attention was on them. This is about Colin, and more importantly, Penelope. We’re already getting very less of them because of the innumerable subplots. I for one am so glad Kate and Anthony weren’t shown after the first episode.
I agree! Anybody with functioning vision and critical thinking skills saw HOW SHORTCHANGED #KATHONY WAS IN THEIR OWN SEASON!
Yes me too. We can’t see them on their honeymoon. Darn!
@@fiamajumdar1690 Completely disagree about "all" of the attention being on them last season. I thought they had much less focus than Daphne and Simon in S1. E.g., we saw a ton of the Duke's backstory and childhood in S1 so we could better understand his character and motivations, but almost nothing comparable for Kate last season.
Fear not gentle reader, they will be return in part 2 from what I saw of the preview. 👀
My hope for what we got of Benedict is that this lady hosts the masquerade ball.
It better be Benedict next. But if not I can see how they could go right into Eloise’s story.
I'm guessing Benedict will be next season, then Eloise and after her Francesca. It would make the most sense based on the Book storylines, otherwise they would have to rush a lot of things or completely change some stuff which maybe could lead to some confusion for both Book readers and non-readers.
I'm not sure if I can agree with the 8 episodes as being an issue because Queen Charlotte was 6 and told beautifully while still incorporating well thought out story lines, pacing, and each charcter was actually memorable. I honestly blame the writers and the long hiatus. The build-up and chemistry between pen and Collin was not there. 😅
My theory on what the show runners are doing is that Benedict doesn’t have much of direction during season 3 because at this point he doesn’t know currently what he is going to do himself, he’s just yk living and doing what he’s already used to, and they are going to address all of his uncertainties/insecurities during his season.
Netflix is strangling themselves with their 8 episode rule. Give us more episodes per season and we have enough time for everyone.
I am like you, what are they doing with this man in S3, I do not understand it. The actor is so bloody capable of more than what they've given him(I've seen him live on stage in 2 productions and been back and watched as many of his stage productions as I can get my hands on, I can tell you he is very good)
Are they trying to combat the misunderstanding from S1 that he is anything but a man who likes women by having him sleep his way through side characters.
I've seen some apparent spoilers for ep5&6 and right now I have no clue what they're working towards.
Quite frankly his lack of scenes with his siblings is also fustrating. I'm still relentless that he will be S4 lead because nothing else makes any sense story wise, but this feels like they needed to move up penelope and colin because otherwise people would be bored of them dancing round each other by S4, but in doing so, they didn't know what to now do with benedict. I hope something in ep7&8 might clear things up as it seems by end of ep6, we are no further forwards based on your general reaction
For someone who strongly thinks that Benedict should be the lead for season four, the first part of the season makes it not look promising. As you said even though it’s only the first four episodes out now that I’ve seen, Anthony and Penelope were crucial throughout the previous seasons before they became leads.
Granted he has given up art school, but they have not made his character as important in any other way and his relationship with lady Tilley was underwhelming.
From your video essay (which I LOVED so much that I had to subscribe) you spoke about how his previous interests were not from the ton and were working class. Also, out of the family he’s the one who actually defends of working class. when I found out about his relationship with a widow, I thought that would probably be a deeper insight of how widows are treated in society and how she holds herself up.
As much as you hate Queen Charlotte, Lady Danbury became a widow and we also saw problems when it came to her status and her nearly losing all of her wealth when her husband died. I felt like we could’ve had Benedict have a conversation with her to learn about society in the eyes of and “outsider” if they were not considering on developing his character more.
That being said, I actually do like Cressida. In the first look of S3 I was confused why Eloise would hang out with her but overtime I got over it (with the amount of interviews she’s been doing I assumed she would take in a lot of screen time this season as well). Whilst they are trying to do a character redemption ark -which doesn’t match to the book, also the past seasons and this season have shown her to be a bully, I really like the conversation she has with Eloise and I don’t mind the time that she got because she was with a B tier character (also Eloise is my favourite along with Benedict). I didn’t care about her relationship with Lord Debling but I guess it wouldn’t make sense for her to completely change her old ways immediately.
I think the main problem is both Benedict and Eloise lost things that were important to them but with Eloise while she lost her characterisation of being “radical” and she lost her friendship of Penelope, you still see her bringing her thoughts to Cressida and learning about Cressida the same way Cresida is trying to learn about Eloise and improve her character that way. (I think also because their is an ongoing rumour that Cressida might be interested in women instead I’m interested in how that will play out and whether it’s true or not I’m just interested to see what they’ll do to her chat since it’s entirely different from the books now)
Benedict lost his art and subsequently became as if he is a C- character, maybe even lower, this makes me worried for season four-lack of Benedict it feels like we’ve only seen five minutes of him and I’m unsure how they’ll build his character to make him finally meet his love.
(Also I love Benedict relationship with the Mondrichs’ but I hate the way the writers only write about friendship season and never see them interact again. They did the same thing in season two (he only went to the Mondrich bar once and never to be seen there again which always confused me because he was one of Mondrich’s first supporters))
Benedict welcomes them to the ball he sees them arrive at but it wasn't enough! I NAIVELY thought that Will would stay A WORKING CHARACTER and that Benedict would regularly visit that establishment and they would chat about things while he's there because they'd be friends. How silly of me to hope that the show would have respect for people who work for a living. 🥱
@@LadyJenevia and the fact that Will is being told by members of the ton that he should leave all of his hard work and be like them and live like a spoilt brat + no one is there to defend him (I know Benedict would back him if the show truly cared about their friendship)😭😭😭😭
As much as Benedict is also my favourite character on the show and deserves all the screentime he can get, 10 minutes into the video I was starting to worry that this would be more than one hour of you repeating that he does all the emotional labour on the show and needs more screentime (which, as previously stated, I agree with) BUT the interview with Josh Levy was absolutely fabulous - such an interesting look behind the scenes and you asked all the right questions. Excellent episode. Thanks so much!
LMAO they did not give Benedict anywhere near enough meaningful/interesting material for me to fill an hour. 😂
But thank you for watching the interview! I enjoyed doing it! 😊
I’m gonna try and see Ben’s story-arc in a positive light. After your summary of Benedict’s season 3 story so far, I think maybe his story is a combination of Anthony’s and Colin’s stories. In season 2 episode 1, we saw Anthony in routine, he takes care of the family-finances, questions different debutants and has sexual trysts on the side. He is in a rut. And now in season 3, I think episode 3 or 4, Colin is realizing his feelings for Penelope and talks with the other “gentlemen” in Will’s club about how pointless their pursuit for sexual pleasure is without any real love and they laugh at him. Now look Benedict. He is no longer pursuing art, he avoids other young ladies(the marriage mart) and every time he dose make a connection with another lady, it always ends up being sexual. Ben is in a bad routine, a rut. And this is just speculation, but maybe in Season 3 part 2, Ben will realize this and come to same conclusion Colin has, that he wants love, real love and maybe seeing Colin and Penelope together will inspire him to get his life together. Sort of. This is, again, just speculation. We really just have to wait and see where Benedict’s story is going on June 13th.
So far the part 1 of season 3 seems great. Loved it 🥰 I wished they explored Benedict's character a bit more as he is most likely the next season lead
Well you don't know they have completely scrapped it yet we still have 4 eps to go
I swear he better be! That show seems to be wasting the secks appeal and talent they have in Luke Thompson 😡
Are they saving his best scenes for part 2?
As always, your clip usage is absolutely flawless and sending me.
😭😭 I’d been wanting to make more new cutaways but I just haven’t had time! I’m glad you like them though! 🥹
Between "Boy, bye!" and those clip cuts, @LadyJenevia lays me low. LOW, I tell you 😂😂😂
@@tcope67 😂😂😂 same!
You’re so right! Lady Jenevia’s clips are virtuoso level, right up there with the drops of RM Brown
Tilly Arnold is curious. I don’t remember her from the books but have the oddest feeling she is not the diversion she appears. Why does her lawyer make an appearance for instance? She is giving Wicked Stepmother vibes.
My only prediction is we have four more episodes and I don’t think we have seen the last of him yet.
But am appreciative of the scenes we got of him.
Well… I found myself wanting to fast forward through most of the episodes. Definitely played episode 2-4 in 1.5speed.
Found myself wishing to see more of Francesca’s storyline than the leads 😬. And definitely did not understand the need for Colin in the brothel this season.
That being said Nicola herself is a joy to watch.
Neither I just don't get why he was framed as a playboy when that's so clearly not what Colin is but ofc without that there also wouldn't be any "sex appeal' to the lead
@@The-Busy-Beeeee I definitely don’t think those scenes were needed for sex appeal. It was off-putting.
The brothel i was screaming “wrong brother” the entire time.
Our little cinnamon roll is the menage a trois Bridgerton.
So many of us wanted Colin to be inexperienced and I stand by that.
The only two brothers who are the brothel ones are anthony and Bendetict. Just saying.
@@vjones4769 I thought it was just me. It was very off putting and didn't fit with his personality at all. I was like Yuck! Then I fast forwarded through that garbage.
Here's what bothered me about the Colin brothel scene...
He had this one thing over Anthony and Benedict, that being more of a romantic -love at first sight- kind of guy, and less of a standard manwhore.
I also got bored with seeing the virgin seduces rake and makes him a good boi trope. So they didn't do that, I felt like the whole purpose of doing those scenes was that he could walk back on them and be more ... Colin.
But that's the thing, I didn't need to see him walk out on a couple of girls making out naked to know that he's different than Anthony and Benedict... We had 2 seasons where we established that.
Also, we're back to virgin x experienced man trope, which I am again bored with...
And looks like I have to wait for Fran's season for the two leads to actually both have the same level of experience... In bed.
Save me Fran's season! Please 🥺
😂😂😂😂😂
Penelope is still great though, as complex as ever..
Wish she had more screen time in *her* season.
They should have let Benedict keep taking care of the estate on screen and have a little bit of a fling as well. Let him get into it, fall for Tilley, get rejected and realize this is something he wants. A purpose, a job and maybe a wife. But he could suggest to one of his siblings that he would do it in his own way (kind of like that scene in which Anthony said to Daphne that he would look for a wife but add something about him wanting to do ti outside the box hence setting up for his season) I mean something like that could still happen since we haven't seen the second part yet.
This is exactly what I was expecting and I was suprised when it did not happen.
Without spoiling anything, I do not really know how exactly they want him before his season, as that could be adapted in different ways (first of all, 🎭 in 308 or 401?). But it made sense for him to enter "Anthony" era, regardless.
As a Polin fan, I felt utter guilt, and I'll be honest, while I enjoy the actor and the performance and he's funny, I was never invested in Benedict emotionally... especially when it comes to his affairs. And still, I felt so bad 😅
In British TV, historically, we got 6 eps for a series (season). So having anything longer than that always felt a but much to me. But if you look at the Pride and Prejudice adaptation (by the great Andrew Davies), the storyline was tight! Not so many random off stories but also you had the broader flavour. And I wrote this before LJ’s reference!
This series felt like they don’t know how to edit an ensemble storyline.
I'm slowly learning to wait until I finish watching to write my substantive comments. 😅 but commenting early because I know you delievered, and Benedict is the Henry Tilney Bridgerton and deserves his MOMENT ✨️
You can always comment more than once if you're so inclined, the last thing I'm going to do is complain about more comments (especially when this video is as long as it is with so many different topics - and revelations in the interview section).
@LadyJenevia Will do!!
It feels like they really meant for this season to be Benedict's so when they changed it for Polin, they suddenly didn't know what to do with him. I haven't watched interviews or checked but I've been thinking maybe Luke T was busy doing something else.
What I'm hoping is the Mondrich's storyline will have something to do with Benedict's story. Otherwise, I don't know why their story was so important.
I don’t know how you’re going to make an hour out of just four episodes after watching your last Benedict video, but even if half of it is you sighing in despair and showing the Benedict goofy face on loop to console yourself/ourselves, I’m here for it.
Gurll, I haven't watched it yet, but I know you delivered.
Currently fighting through a depression and finishing my thesis, let's go!
@LadyJenevia needs to be sponsored by FedEx, Amazon, GrubHub AND UberEats because homegirl delivers! Okay?
Love your videos. Can you post a video on maybe highlighting the differences between the cinematography costumes and makeup which was very noticeable this season? If not I'll just look forward to watching your other ones ❤
As much as I personally LOVE binging my favorite shows, I completely understand why it's not effective for the people actually working on my favorite shows. I saw Claudia Jesse (she was quoting someone else) say in an interview "you work on something for 8 months maybe even longer, and it gets watched in 8 hours". I usually rewatch my favorite shows, like Bridgerton, so if I have to do a weekly episode format that works for me because when I rewatch I can get my binge on lol.
Thank you for your service! (And for expanding my knowledge through really interesting interviews in this and recent vids!)
I agree with everything you said in this video + have a lot of frustration about Bridgerton not putting Luke Thompson's acting talent to good use this season. Making silly faces and running around for the half of it is not what I wanted to see 😭
It was so so insightful to learn about the screenwriter BTS. I’m not a huge Bridgerton fan but I am a huge Witcher fan and the choices on that show are outright baffling. I never knew how it worked with the assignment of episodes the exact role of the show runner and the screenwriter room. This gave me so much context thank you!
Where was Kate backstory but mean girl getbavkstory ?
I agree with you. 1-4 I was awfully disappointed at Benndict's scenes. His book is lovely so I hope they do it justice XD
Been a Benedict girl forever and honestly the first part I was like what on earth are they doing with him? Like this is what happens when you don’t go in book order 🙈
I love you so much and I lol every time you over-enunciate the letter T in the best way, it's such a cute verbal quirk, the rest of us are out here replacing the T sound in the middle of words with a D sound... Lazy sh**s 😂
this video keeps getting better and you are 100000% correct on everything
Ended up here after watching that long and delicious video about Benedict being the best Bridgerton brother and YES, what they did to the character this season 3 so far was just DIRT!!!
Just finished the season pt1 and I must point out that this was just the right amount of “sub-plots” if yk what i mean
I think there was too many tbh it crowded the main story and didn't give us enough time thus far to actually flesh it out
@@The-Busy-Beeeee Yes there were coz there’s just so many characters but atleast they didn’t have the pointless and lengthy mines thing
I just got back into Bridgerton this week and I don’t know why but I really want next season to be Benedict’s!! I’m ready for his glow up and ready to meet Sophie. I wish they would’ve let Colin keep Luke’s beard. It looks so good on him.
This might be the most informative entertainment videos I’ve seen all year
I'm very happy with the first 4 eps!
Just a thought about the release plan I personally think that I would like a weekly release more then any other model because it would mean you could meet up with friends and watch a show together without either having to schedule a marathon, which is a bit difficult to do when people are working, studying etc. or you have to split it up on your own anyway
He is the best Bridgerton! They are keeping him from us for sure 😅
It was really cool to hear this perspective. The recent strike really taught the masses about entertainment production. I know I always blame the “writers”, but in my head I know it’s the network.
I’m so sick of the Hollywood format. It’s always the same and so predictable. The best shows and movies don’t follow the tropes and think outside the box. Indie work is where all the best things are happening.
Lady Jenevia, Thank you so much for the educational piece on television screenwriting and production. I did want the whole season dropped at once because I've been waiting over 2 years to get my Bridgerton fix! But I now understand how that is 💩for all the people who put so much work into making the show.
Stumbled upon your channel looking for bridgerton content, and found myself a fellow grease 2 stan. What a great day!
Tv series don’t know how to develop and maintain good love stories. They often time create lots of drama for no reason/it’s mostly sexual with not much romance. In Bridgerton I find there’s not enough focus on the main characters Love story plus the Bridgerton family drama and character development. Instead they fill most episode with sideline characters/stories which was understandable in S1 - introducing the Bridgerton family and the world they live in. S2 had too much Featherington drama for me and not enough Kathony romance. S3 I hope focus more on Polin story and Bridgerton sibling drama than side characters like the Mondrich couple etc…
Same like it's their season why are we focusing on this couple that has virtually nothing to do with the main characters for
I agree with most of this comment; HOWEVER, I want all of the Mondriches I can get!
@@tcope67 fair enough
I am sorry. How many of you are struggling to contain yourself from rewatching this season over and over again?
Just me. Ok.
This series so far is better than I thought, because I hated Colin in the books tbh. But I swear to god if Benedict doesn’t end up with Sophie, then I won’t care for Bridgerton anymore. Each to their own I guess 😅😂
I didn't like the part where Colin gets super angry at Penelope but for the rest of it, I actually preferred him in the book over the show because he just felt so much more fleshed out and developed than he's been coming across on the show. Like he's fine in season 3 but reading book 4, it just felt a lot more REAL how badly he was feeling like "OH MAN, I'M AN IDIOT, WHY DIDN'T I REALISE SOONER THAT PENELOPE IS LOVELY" 😂
@@LadyJenevia Definitely agree that he’s more fleshed out in the book! The pacing so far has felt a little rushed this series perhaps? I hate that it’s only 8 episodes 🥲
Book Colin is my show Benedict if that makes sense
i remember book fans complaining about the lack of family in s2 as well imo.
i think they were trying to convey how isolating anthony's position as viscount is, how being a parental/authority figure to your siblings can affect your relationship with them, how none of them can relate to him - which is compelling.
but at times, it came across like none of them care about him at all and made them seem self-absorbed. like when eloise runs off to see theo while anthony is in the middle of a crisis like GIRL? lmao
YES to EVERYTHING you said in this video!!!
I’m still holding out hope for Cressida in future seasons (her family could replace another one from the books), but it’s looking like she will be one of the antagonists for Polin, and being the baddie for 2 couples (3 if you include Daphne) is a little too much even for Shondaland
I’m sick of her! Charlotte is already one villainous presence on the show, I don’t need another mean girl on the show being just a general menace (ALTHOUGH if they’re going to swap her family out for another family that IS in a future story, that’s different since it wouldn’t mean taking away from a storyline that should have more attention). 😂
Cressida and Eloise’s story was my favorite of the season Part 1. I liked the chemistry between the two characters and the story arc it fostered for Eloise. So I think it fits fine as a B level story. The Mondrich storyline is the comparable to the ruby mine storyline from S2. It’s given a lot of screen time, for something that doesn’t feel even C level of connectedness to the main story. While I’ll stay open to how that pays off in Part 2, at this point, I would have like to see that time dedicated to more Bridgeton family banter, a richer arc for Benedict, or developing chemistry for the A plot.
I need a Benedict and Sophie season!!!
Just finished watching S3 Pt1 and had to rush over here. And ma’am you did not disappoint with these takes! Sigh. I don’t feel confident anymore that S4 will be Benedict’s season 😢 I still want it to be, but the way they’re (not) setting up Benedict’s story is very concerning 😭
Thank you btw for always taking the time and effort to explain the production-side of things to your audience! I find it super informative and helpful and it makes me understand why my favorite shows are the way they are-for good or bad.
I’m only 20 minutes in and enjoying the discourse so much. BenedictGirlie here and so far I was like S3 is going out of their way to make us dislike Benedict somewhat to prepare us for HIS story. No spoilers, but he definitely has a huge arc where he’s gotta grow tf up and does make a few reprehensible choices. Yet still is my favorite book? It gets better 😜
I just finished the first half of Season 3 and I definitely agree that 8 episodes is not enough considering the cavalcade of characters that get screen time. Also agree that Cressida's subplot was unnecessary and that Benedict got a total nothing-burger. I wanted to mention that I saw Queen Charlotte's actress on Doctor Who and I loved her on the episode she was in. June cannot come soon enough.
i think that benedict being sidelined also has to do with how poorly his connection with all the other bridgertons has been developed. In season 1 we had a nice introduction for him, part of it being shown because of his closeness with eloise. in the second season we also got more of that 'cause of his also strong bond with anthony, even if it's so different from him and eloise, and in this third one from how far we've come there's.... none of that. the closer we got from that was him, gregory and hyacinth but they clearly can't fill that role so i don't understand why they couldn't show more of his bond with colin?? or give back more of his scenes with eloise?? or both of them?? (they kind of get stablished as the funny trio in s2..) they could even have him be worried or being francesca's guardian!! (that could be a parallel to anthony and daph but still refreshing by how different their characters are) like... there were more alternatives and yet they reduce him to that shitty subplot of him getting laid with anyone)):
I seriously hate how Bridgerton family is missing from Bridgerton series. I don't care about other families. No Benedict, no banter, they gave us just 5 min of Kanthony. I am happy to see Franc though and I seriously Polin lacks chemistry
I am in the middle if the week to week thing.
I do agree waiting each week adds anticipation and excitement. I want workers to get paid what they deserve.
There is this c or k drama that I watched (and bate that I forgot the name) had more than eight to ten episodes and were able to make a compact story. Them only releasing two episodes a week at a time added to the experience.
But doing the two parter for Bridgerton hits differently. Waiting two years (minus the strike) for shows that only release 8-10 episodes where storylines get rushed sucks some of the fun oit of it.
So while I get we can’t go back to the 24 episode format due to budget and preventing adding on filler episodes, I feel the week to week format works when you have more episodes.
In my opinion, Benedict is giving me real rake vibes and honestly, I don't care for his plot with so many women that I don't really care about. I am much more entertained with Eloise. And low-k I am looking forward to her season because of that. He is a comic relief, but also a mess (which is relatable), but I hope that in the next 4 episodes, we get more deep stuff with him like finding a purpose, his outlook on love etc. I want more guidance from Violet in the sense that she really knows her children and knows what is hiding beyond their facade. So far I haven't seen anything that would give me hope for a more serious Benedict plot. Otherwise, I really like this season and I am not bored in between Polin's scenes.
I think we are gonna have a double season next season. I wasn’t a fan of Benedict’s book and I haven’t read Eloise’s book but most people don’t enjoy that book so maybe they will double up? However I really want to see Eloise have a whole dramatic season
I love Eloise's book!
May seem an odd couple at first, but they do compliment each other.
But since they keep changing so much from the books, that story will most probably have changes, too.
Unfortunately.
All in the name of more drama, drama, drama... ☹️
Oh my gosh you have litterally pointed out all the things that made this S3 pt1 release feel weird to me. Like the first 2 episodes I felt like I was in a marathon cause so much was happening yet so little? I agree that a weekly release would've been better cause at least as crammed as it is you can have like a week to process all the hundred storylines jammed into ine episode. Although more episodes would be the dream. I do like the Cressida angle, but I agree it felt like it was taking away some other parts of the story. Some things do have to give.
Lady Tilley is exactly how I imagined Narcissa Malfoy .
Loved how Lady Tilly switched things up halfway through the dance and made Benedict dance the woman's part. He seemed to love it too.
OK, you interested me when you championed Benedict, but you got me to subscribe with your rant about Cressida. Done. THANK YOU
Agreed. They need at least 10 this season. Maybe release first 5 and then one episode, a week.
I just feel like these first 4 episodes flew by, and there are so many missing parts.
If the Cowper family didn’t have a hidden step-sibling I’m going to revolt, it’s the only excuse for the number of their scenes
Wasn't expecting the production and screenwriting breakdown with Joshua Levy, so I had to take a break to mentally adjust to a more serious analysis mode - and it was great! Honestly really fascinating, and I really empathise with the need and desire for weekly releases. I watched Bridgerton for the first time this past year and because of our schedules my housemate and I insisted that Thursdays were Bridgerton Night. We waited a week between episodes to watch it together and it meant that the story had time to settle - we would theorise next moves when we sat for breakfast, our frustration with characters had time to build toward a pay-off, and we would rewatch that "week's" episode in the interim. We were able to avoid spoilers because it had been two years. My frustration with the staggered release was in knowing that most people would watch Part 1 in one go, the buzz of discourse and theories would happen in the first week, I would have to somehow blind myself for four weeks and not engage, and then Part 2 would be out and it would be over all within a month. It doesn't feel like a "season's" worth of material, the finale won't feel like a finale. I'd 100% welcome a weekly release schedule for the increased satisfaction and buzz. I clicked on this video from my Watch Later list cause I just watched episode 2 and started getting worried for Benedict's storyline but I got a quality interview to boot, which I should've expected after watching your Anyone But You videos that were so good you now have me regretting not watching it in theatres - unexpectedly delightful surprises are a theme on your channel
I really wanted to do something more than just giving my own opinions. People already know I love Benedict and want more material for him, so it seemed like a better use of the time to get more people better informed about how the 'machine' works so that they can be better set up to advocate for the well-being of workers who help to make the art we all enjoy.
@@LadyJenevia It's much appreciated! I also think the addition of it with a topic of the audience's prior interest keeps it both engaging and contextualized even as you stretch their interest to demystify writing rooms and production processes. It's very well done!
Although I am not a Benedict girly (or an anyone girly for that matter); the fact that you are is the reason you are my Bridgerton reviewer of choice. I know this doesn’t make sense but it sort of does, for reasons. 😅
Oh i'm a benedict fan he just shone so bright and i loved every scene of him in the previous season. This season however was a huuuuge disappointment :I so i feel your feels.
Thoroughly agree that a weekly model is the best idea, still maintains buzz for a full month or more (two per weekend like Kdrama is my preference) because right now I'm frustrated as hell waiting and *stewing* on the issues. I'll bet they did not write this season as a two-parter but it was enforced post-production by Netflix.
I had problems with S2, but I've now learnt to fully appreciate that even though we had that egregious Featherington plot and a lack of development for Kate, we had good relevant storylines for the Bridgerton family. The pacing and editing, and costumes might I add, has gone a bit rogue this season. By pacing, I mean we got all these side storylines established but no progression on them. Colin feels underdeveloped as a character and I was/am so ready to like him, but I'm still super into it, and especially Eloise/Penelope dynamic.
Part 2 I'm hoping for the angst and emotional turmoil, because the lust is fantastic but I need that big climax to come 😅 *and* have enough time for dwell in happiness and feel like everything is well resolved for the last episode. Probably expecting too much but I'll maintain hope!
Giving an extremely active fanbase A MONTH to go over every detail with a fine tooth comb so they can nitpick things (for better or worse) instead of a new episode each week was an objectively terrible idea. Absolute CLOWNERY of business people infiltrating places they don't belong (the arts!) 😂
Amazing to have a screenwriter on 😍😍😍😍😍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻.he was very interesting and likeable 🎉
Been a Benedict girl from season one I’m literally re reading an offer from a gentleman and the entire time I was watching season 3 I was like Sophie Beckett come and pick up your man cause what is he doing 🙈
I personally think the nothingburger of Benedict doing what he always does is intentional. The way he described his storyline this season was him continuing to do what he always does and it all coming to ahead in terms of the realization that it's not getting him anywhere.
Here's the thing. Shondaland is used to doing over 20+ eps per season. Shonda has already admitted it is a challenge. Maybe we should start an online campaign for more episodes and have your media contacts promote it.
Also the things Cressida will be doing effects what happens with both Eloise and Pen and Colin. That's why we are seeing more of her this arc. She will most likely be out after S3. I have feeling this Clara who Genevieve Chenour is playing is being geared up to be a new mean girl.
He writes in Emily in Paris? Seriously??? Huge Red Flag!!!!
Sis of crows was not greenlighted! Are you kiding meeeeeee
Guuuuuurl
Cressida is VERY important from the book plot.
Let’s be real. There is a reason why Book 3 of Bridgerton (which is all about Benedict’s story) has been shoved back so that the subject of Book 4 (Polin’s story) can be made into Season 3 of the TV show: Book 4 is way more popular with fans of the books, while Book 3 features (without wanting to spoil things) a number of problematic themes and even gives book fans the ick.
The showrunners were never going to risk losing the show’s big audience with a faithful, chronological adaptation of the books by putting Benedict’s uncomfortable tale in front of the Polin story. As a result, Benedict is literally on hold, meaning that if they didn’t want to write him out of the show completely, they had to give him something to do for six episodes, so let’s have him pursue another unattainable, confident older woman?
I can only imagine that the cc storyline is in support of Eloise's choice to befriend her. "El wouldn't be her friend if she was a total villian 😢😢mew mew."
I'm so glad this is an hour long, I had to take my time to properly sit down and watch but now that I finally did I can be happy someone is talking what really is up. They are really lost on how to guide Benedict's story and that Lady Tillie, I'm sorry but so far adds nothing, absolutly nothing. Maybe she is better in the 2nd part, but watching it splitted makes me wanna complain. I have seen some people complaining (again) about the side plots, but I actually thought most of the other stories were very well paced. I liked Eloise's (even if I don't appreciate the victimization of a bully without a proper addresing of the bullying no matter how miserable her life is) I can see future character growth from there, the Modriches were better than what I was expecting (I always liked them, but the thruth is seeing all of their hard work being for nothing due to a title, I thought would irritate me. But, no, I was pleased) and the queen might be super unecessary but she is needed for the whistledown plot so I'm ok with it, also Frannie is being adapted so well to screen and my boy John as well, aaaa, babies. Leaving Benedict's (lack of good) plot really the only thing I have to complain. And the lighting, but that's with the production.
I wish writers were as hyped as actors. If it wasn't for them, the actors would be in flops time after time after time.
i havent yet watched it, but this is not the titile i wanna see lol. will be back