Kate Sharma, Anthony Bridgerton, and the Returning Leads Dilemma (Bridgerton Season 3 Analysis)
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Colin Bridgerton (Luke Newton) and Penelope Featherington (Nicola Coughlan) star in Netflix's Bridgerton season 3, following in the footsteps of Anthony Bridgerton (Jonathan Bailey) and Kate Sharma (Simone Ashley), and Simon Basset (Regé-Jean Page) and Daphne Bridgerton (Phoebe Dynevor).
In this video, I discuss and speculate on the factors that contribute to the reduced amount of Kate Sharma (Simone Ashley) and Anthony Bridgerton (Jonathan Bailey) in season 3.
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Anthony and Kate have to return in some capacity as they are the viscount and viscountess. They run the household. Daphne moved out, she’s no longer needed on screen. Anthony and Kate live in the house.
Daphne is thrre in almost all the books though...Colin even goes to Daphne for advice or clarification about love and how it feels and how he would know for sure
@@piya6929 true, but Daphne’s scenes in the books are not vital to the family dynamic/direction of the family like Anthony’s. Anthony, being the head of the family, has a much more active role in the lives of the family, vs many of the siblings can leave and their role can be filled with the dynamic not being dramatically different or out of character. Many siblings can step in to give some advice on love and life, as can Biolet (which is what they did with her and Colin this season). Agreed it would be nice to continue having those book moments and having the family stay connected- but given how short the seasons are, it makes sense that most will duck out, barring an occasional guest appearance, once their main plot is done
Instead of giving Ben another throwaway love interest, rehashing the same QC story for the third season in a row, or bringing in Lady D’s brother to cause drama between her and Violet, they could have given us more storylines on the titular family. That’s just me though. 🤷🏼♀️
I can't talk about Lord Anderson fully until part 2 comes out (review embargo) but YES, I wanted way more Bridgerton scenes! We have an entire new character/actress, why am I not seeing what Francesca's relationship is with her MANY siblings?
Exactly!!!
I mean I like that Benedict dates around. It’s more realistic. Sometimes you have to date a few people and have a few experiences before you meet someone to settle down with
@@JazzmynnnnI am cool with him dating around if it establishes more about him. Hopefully this current fling will do that in part 2- but so far it’s been a bit of nothing and we’re not seeing any sort of character growth/moments with him, imo. He’s just a warm body kissing another warm body- he barely has lines 😢
I agree, I do find his taste in women interesting though. The modiste makes dresses, ( Sophie has to alter dresses and is a ladies maid). The model in art school (one of his paintings in the books is of Sophie). The needy attractive lady, who I am wondering is up to something. ( she reminds me of Sophie's stepmother.) Overall yes Benedict needs something more, he already gave up on art. His character isn't doing much, I know its not his season yet. I wish we could get more from him this season, hopefully we do.
I wrote an entire season of Bridgerton as if it were Benedict and Sophie’s season, and I made a point of making Kate and Anthony prominent secondary characters! It’s on AO3 and it’s called “The Soul(mate) of an Artist” if anyone’s curious 😊
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Petition for Bridgerton to have a running gag of Anthony learning how to do household things (like how to finally light a stove) offscreen so that Anthony 'remains' in the house while Johnathon Bailey has availability for other roles.
Rumour has it Daphne and Anthony STILL DON'T KNOW HOW TO HEAT MILK 👀
@@LadyJenevia Simone Ashley is seriously GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not a lesbian but I don't think I have obsessed over a woman's looks before
I think the biggest issue with Will and Alice is that they're completely tangential to everything else. I'd love to see Eloise's feminist storyline continue from s2, and she could’ve met Alice there for instance, and she could've been Eloise's new friend instead of Cressida. And then Will could be more involved with Benedict/Colin, and there could’ve been something there. Bc I like the idea of them, but they're not involved enough without Simon there.
We could have absolutely seen will and Alice get this news about the change in status at the end of season 2. There was enough time I. The season where the brothers were at the club to lay this foundation, and then yes! Have Eloise develop an interesting and reflective, growth orienta relation with Alice.
Or - we could have continued to explore Alice and Will as a minor subplot which reflects some of the class issues, and serve to better inform and contextualize class and misogyny issues for the men.
@thefuriousfemme exactly! Bc they actually have a healthy relationship, and now I'm afraid they're going to have them grow apart since Will wants to continue his club! Which is totally understandable, but it seems to be conflict for conflict's sake. They def could've had the news last season too. Idk, it would've been nice to see Eloise have a friend that agreed with her, and also she could've bonded with someone who's actually lived as a lower class. Sigh.
Honestly the Bridgerton kids need friends! Let’s have them be confidantes! Let’s have Will and Alice be characters who give Bridgertons room to express their thoughts, help deepen plots, be active actors in the plots etc. plus, they are uniquely placed to be in on gossip given the club
They should remove people who were not in Bridgerton books. Like why introducing all irrelevant people? Just pay more to main bridgerton family actors and keep them. Also, I got it why Kanthony were less in season 3 but thn why use them to such an extent to promote season 3 and misleading audience? Also, I agree that Polin should be the main focus for season 3 but I am upset how in season 2, Kanthony were not given much time either. Jonathan and Simone's chemistry and acting saved season 2. Like we didn't get Kate's background story as her story was as painful as Anthony's and would have strengthen why Kate & Anthony are meant to be together. They should have shown Kanthony talking about Kate's backstory in that library scene in season 2. We never got their marriage and all. They dragged and showed too much featherington in season 2 and that's why I hate that how in their own season Kanthony were sidelined especially Kate and her backstory.
But I agree with all your points
I agree with cutting back on some characters. The Fetherington's even though they bring comedy, they are getting really annoying. I am hoping by next season they limit their appearance. What else can they do with the Fetherington's? The daughters are married or will be, Portia will get heir and yet get away with scamming the ton. I don't know what else they can do with that family. I can understand why they are cutting back on Kate and Anthony because it's not their story anymore. Also with Johnathan getting other roles, it might be more challenging.
The queen is not in the book, Lady Danbury barely features. Yet the two of them are the most compelling characters in the series.
@@oyaami1874 Because they deliberately did that. What other bridgerton characters did in the book, they gave those things to these two.
Kanthony/kate have posts that are the most views/most likes on 3 separate official Bridgerton social media platforms, its clear theyre loved, wonder if this will affect how theyre written or whether theyll be asked to return in the future.
This is pure speculation on my part but I would imagine they’re going to look at newer numbers now that they’re more so “featured” instead of starring? And then if the numbers are astronomically high THEN they might consider they’re worth continuing to pay to still pop up on future seasons. In particular it’s weird for me to imagine a Benedict season without Anthony being around in some way because those two should have a talk about something during Benedict’s love story! 🥰
@LadyJenevia I believe kanthony's content on IG/TikTok that got the most likes/views are from this season, maybe a month old if that
Bridgerton does a lot of telling and not showing, it baffles me…
Yes which is rough because the books are just the opposite.
I actually don't mind Kate and Anthony dipping out after one episode. They had some cute scenes, they had a good reason for leaving and it gave us some time to get into Polins story a little bit more without being distracted with Kanthonys extreme chemistry 😂. With that said I hope we get some more in Part 2 👀.
Another factor to consider is I would be amazed if Bridgerton did not do three plus year contracts for the actors going in to Season two to avoid being in the same place as they were with Season one and Rege leaving since they were already renewed through season 4. I would actually be surprised if they were even talking money with Johnny and Simone going into Season three. Johnny has said he was trying to film Bridgerton, Wicked, and Fellow Travelers at the same time. That would also be a factor in how much time he is available for Bridgerton. I also think they may have wanted to avoid pulling focus from the early stages of Polin. One thing that I have found is that a lot of times with big decisions that are controversial, there were a lot of other factors that are at play that people don't even consider.
There are always way more variables than we as the audience are aware of. Sometimes more information comes out many years later when it's considered "safer" to start revealing things but in general, it's all very hush-hush.
I think the main thing the audience has the power to do for a show like Bridgerton is to 1) support workers and strikes if/when they happen and 2) watch and encourage others to do the same and 3) TREND and publicly post on major social media platforms about the specific characters/stories they want to see more of.
Idk I hear you girl but insinuating racism on a Shonda rhymes production makes me feel weird like it’s hard enough for black women to have anything in America. Why do this?
@@MA-xg7lt As I stated in the video: "Do things like racism, homophobia, misogyny, and so on and so forth also have a role to play in how actors are treated in the industry, what material they’re given when they’re meant to be leads of the show? Of course. I’m not making any claims about to what extent those biases may have played into the amount that Kate and Anthony’s material was prioritised in seasons 2 or 3, but I wanted to bring up the money issue because I don’t feel like I’ve seen that brought up as much, at least from the few viral tweets that end up on my feed."
Advocating for fair wages and working conditions for people who work on Bridgerton and the larger entertainment industry is not an accusation at Shonda specifically. She is one person, and I never made any claims about how she conducts herself. Shonda moved over to Netflix after someone at ABC/Disney gave her attitude over receiving a Disneyland pass even though she got a bunch of hit shows for their network up and running, which is exactly the type of pattern of Hollywood's business practices that I addressed with what I said about Harold Perrineau where there was no care or regard for his past hits/achievements/skills/labour and he was still not given the fair treatment or working conditions he should have received.
@@LadyJenevia I never meant to imply that you were accusing Shonda personally. I was referring to "a Shonda Rhimes production." I'm already aware of the reasons behind her departure from ABC. I actively follow the careers of black women making strides in the industry, and I'm supportive of my community. Thank you for the clarification. I want to emphasize the importance of being cautious with the words we use, as they can have implications we may not realize. How many other individuals in a similar position, regardless of race, consistently cast black and brown individuals in regency settings?
@@MA-xg7ltthe problem with your comment is you give shonda a pass bc she diverse her show more then others. So that makes ppl not want to criticize stuff. Simone is the only south Asian on the show as a main. The only dark skinned south Asians at that. I would think they would want to use her more and promote her seaosn better then they did and make sure her story isn’t crap like they did in S2. Also if you notice with Shonda shows she tends to have a shit ton of white ppl in them more than POCs. Even scandal had a black woman lead which is a good thing but all the majority of the characters around her were white and her two man love interest where white. Bton has 3 main families we see every season Cowper, bton and feathers why were they all white? Just bc QC and Lady D are POC that’s enough? We got all these OOC characters coming in and one of them was black Lady D brother. They didn’t even introduce victor playing John
I think Shonda is great and she has helped a lot of POCs and I think we wouldn’t have much diversity if it wasn’t for her. She def has a impact on the industry and I’m grateful and want that to continue but that doesn’t mean she is without criticism on things
I have an opinion that some may not like:
Why the hell they had to push colin so hard; like the brothel scenes, the winking, him going to converse with the debutants. They could have just shown him as a kind person and maybe the girls coming to ask him abt the travels (the brothel scenes were absolutely unnecessary)
I wonder if in Benedict’s season he will be pushed just as hard (which I doubt)
To create contrast with his real romantic self
@@skleroosis Okay!!!! But why tho; I’ve been seeing this excuse all over but if he finds sex to be “meaningful” then why go to a brothel at all
I agree, to me the flirting was ok since he’s always been this way but the brothel scenes were so out of place
Because men are not rewarded for being sensitive. So he tried to be different
My guess is that it is probably because they wanted many more spicy scenes.
They pushed him so hard when his appeal was precisely that he was the opposite of that EVEN when he already tried to fit in the toxic masculinity culture of the ton.
Let him flirt with many ladies and be charming, and engage in locker room talk with the guys (or fumble with it because he disagrees) that is enough. And in character.
At least the brothel scenes show the shift and he is nice and respectful with the prostitutes. So these scenes, while unnecessary, are not completely useless.
But still, it could have been shown differently.
They could have used this time to give Colin more characterization: show him writing or doing some other hobby, show him with his siblings, showing him struggling more and more when being with his lord "friends" or flirting with young ladies, Etc.
I was hoping for at least one scene where Pen and Colin discuss books, worldview, and feelings, emotions, hope and fear, the difficulty to fit in... They've had it in S1 and S2, why not in their own season?
You are right about the Polin flashback. Would be important to the story see Penelope falling in love as a 12 years old,(And also adorable). Session 3 it’s about she finally growing up and becoming a butterfly so her childhood crush should be transformed in love. I have the impression Netflix didn’t believed in the chemistry between the couple and just tried to hush onto hot scenes that show more lush than love. It’s so good when you find both in a romantic story.
I can't help but think about how... if fans wanted to make a montage, you would have Simon and Daphne being in slow motion and then crashing into each other, Anthony chasing after Kate on horseback and being shook that she can JUMP, and then Colin and Penelope... it's just them as adults saying what happened but it's not QUITE the same? Don't get me wrong, it's still cute, and Nicola and Luke N have a good friendship chemistry as actors who have worked together for all these years that makes that moment and 'friends first' energy believable but I can't help but think it would HIT DIFFERENTLY if you were actually seeing an even tinier Penelope having her hat go flying and smack tiny Colin in the face. 🤭
hmm…budget is an issue i haven’t seen raised before. and that can totally be the case, but bridgerton is one of nerflix’s biggest shows-shouldn’t netflix be giving one of their most successful shows a bigger budget? 🤔
You would think so, AND YET... 👀👀👀
I'm worried about this because they also saw fit to split the season, and that doesn't work for some shows. Bridgerton S3 has already received criticism for this split. It kills momentum and interest, especially if there are problems in the first half, and too much time passes before the second half airs. They are trying to retain subscribers by spacing out release, but letting the air out of a perfectly good tire so it runs flat is not the way to make bank on your show, Netflix!
They just poured a $100 million into „Atlas“. Gotta start saving somewhere. 😂
Joke aside, costume films tend to be quite costly. They can’t pull anything off a rack, even for the extras, or film just a street for an establishing shot. And they have a ton of characters, side characters, vaguely relevant characters… I’m sure budget plays it’s role in who is returning and who’s not. But most of the time it’s also contractual vs creative decision. I can’t really blame anyone for not wanting to go from protagonist to small side character. At the same time Anthony and Kate are required to stay in the series at least to some extent since they are heading the household. Everybody else can wander off to do their own thing once their storyline is told.
Maybe they could spend less on Cressida's ridiculous giant sleeves, red lipstick, and acrylic nails? I totally agree @burnt-croissants, it's clear that Netflix spends a LOT on Bridgerton. If they are paying people like Johnny Bailey and Simone more money, one would think they would make better use of their talents by giving them something to do that moves the plot forward and get value for that money in those short scenes.
@@moodymint I’m certain that Cressida’s sleeves took up the budget they had to bring Daphne back
I wish I could remember where I read it but an article stated that it's hard to keep a Series going for more than 4 seasons for all the reasons you laid out. I also can understand if the actors get tired of their respective characters.
Netflix also got into some hot water from viewers when a lot of people started to figure out that they were cancelling shows so that they wouldn't go past three seasons because going past three seasons would mean having to pay workers more. I don't remember all of the details but that was definitely 'a thing' for a while. Obviously Bridgerton is big enough that it's more or less presumed it will get at least a few seasons past the three season mark but it's very noticeable that a lot of Netflix originals don't have that many seasons. 👀😶
The thing with anthony was The filming of Wicked. I think
He also had a Paramount+ show, I think? Simone had a movie too, but I wasn't keeping up with how the timelines of these projects did or did not overlap. 🤷🏻♀️
Yes, Fellow Travellers. It took less time to shoot than either Wicked or Bridgerton, and it's really good, esp if you are into queer history.
@@LadyJenevia JB was shooting Fellow Travelers at the same time that season 3 was being shot.
Your point is really valid.
Since the production knows getting a lead to come back for the following season has all these potential impediments, that's one more reason to give the leads all the attention they deserve in their OWN SEASON. It seems so obvious to me, so it's frustrating because it should not be that hard. I wish we had more episodes per season, and the corporate people stopped getting in the way.
People keep bringing up wicked but jonny was signed to bton S3 before wicked and FT. S3 was his priority and they knew that before they signed him to those movies. They had to work around his schedule. If Jonny couldn’t do it then it would be a scheduling conflict. 😂Ickes started filming months after both bton and FT. FT was done filming before bton and started after bton started. Jonny was flying back and forth between the two when the schedules started filming at the same time. Simone def didn’t have a film taking up 8 months of her time. They could had done somrhjng with Kate alone. Have her bond with the family and her friendship with lady D. I think it’s easy to try and blame jonny instead of production just not writing for them.
But we don’t know the truth so anything any of us say is just speculation including what I’m saying.
EXACTLY! That's why I listed multiple factors because it could be any of them (or even others we haven't thought of) that contribute to how much (or how little) of Kate and Anthony are in season 3. 😆🤷🏻♀️
FT was filming at the same time that season 3, and there pre production as well, it is not just showing a set.
Speaking of discrimination, I wish there was a Hispanics family. The Latin representation is often overlooked. After all, Spain has a Monarchy.
I suppose the diverse cast we see on Bridgerton are from regions that were being colonised by the British monarchy so it makes more sense to be there. Whereas as you say, Spain had its own monarchy and colonial shit going on (plus usually a feud/wars with the British) so it makes less sense. All that to say, I do agree with you and would love to see some hispanic people!
@@ramalam98I've seen similar comments like the OG comment and came to say what you just did. The ethnicities showcased in Bridgerton are from their colonies or nations that traded with them e.g Chinese. Latin presence at that time was negligible to say the least. They could have a Spanish character, but I doubt that's what Latinos want. We have to understand although this is produced by an American it's still to an extent a British show
I think who wants the previous lead characters in Bridgerton is the people who read the books and may know how they are important in specific scenes, but for the fans who haven’t read the book I don’t think this will make a major impact they only focus on the main characters in each season.
I don't think this is a spoiler to say, since it's obvious from the first three books, but the Bridgerton family members (when its not their book) are far less prominent in the books than they are in the show.
exactly...i've read the books and the other couples or chanrecters don't play as much of a role jn the books...the couple that get married and have their happy ending are mostly absent from future books...which i think us best for immersion into the new couple@@Hana9916
I think there are couples that need to appear later on more than others. So, Kate and Anthony are essential for narrative logic, considering that they are supposed to live in the Bridgerton house, but there are other characters that move to other cities (like Daphne) or even other countries, which means they do not need to appear in at least a few seasons. To be honest, even though I love all Bridgerton characters, there are some of them that don't need to appear outside of their own season, even. Outside of that, I also think there are side characters that could get less screen time, and having more episodes per season overall. Absolutely agree with you!
Harrold Perrineau's explanations made so much sense to me as a viewer. Bec. at the time, I didnt understand what was going on with his story lines. Putting diverse talent on screen is good but having them supported by a a diverse team of writers and producers is better!
I never watched LOST so I didn’t really remember much about him being on the show but once that story broke I was horrified (but not surprised) by how he was treated. And that full exposé about the writer’s room and the work environment of the show in general? It put me off ever wanting to watch it.
Harold is an immaculate talent and I can watch him shine in other things. ❤️🔥✨
@@LadyJenevia I was a huge fan of LOST, and it pained me how the writers trashed Harold's character. I didn't know all that was going on behind the scenes, but I'm not surprised. It reminds me of how Amber Riley's character was also sidelined in Glee, and probably for similar reasons.
Thank you for talking about things like this in a way no one else is doing.
I do wonder if after the Rege, he signed up for 1 season and 1 season only, outcry, they redid people's contracts to state they must appear in 1 season post their lead turn (no guarantee of number of episodes) after being renewed for not just S2 but up to S4, Luke N, Nicola, Luke T and Claudia were likely then made to sign contracts to take them up to that point at least (with the lead plus 1 season stipulation probably included).
We know the original francesca was released from her contract to pursue a lead in another TV series, likely because she would be S6 and they still had time to allow another actress to establish the role, but they cant risk any of the rest walking prior to their turn.
I do wonder if these now all household names, are all able to command bigger salaries in general from Bridgerton post S1 explosion, since they are in one of the biggest netflix shows, as I imagine none of them will of started on salaries that reflect the level to which they lives have changed or the notoriety from this show (case and point Luke T needing security at a stage door after his play and a line of 50+ people waiting for him) and we all know they won't have been getting residuals like you'd expect even with 82M households watching S1 in 28 days. Do we even think netfix gave them a bonus to say well done for such a successful show?
Every agent is clamouring for their actors to have even a bit roll in Bridgerton because that on anyone's spotlight, even if its a 1 line part,immediately gets more attention. Seen it happen where an actor cast in another role, the key thing mentioned was they'd been in bridgerton, in S1 ep6 with 2 lines, but still it was the thing mentioned when cast in another show because bridgerton is a big deal and a well known show
Yeah and Bridgerton is an interesting case study where the general masses probably won’t know the names of the Bridgerton lead actors BUT the show’s fanbase is large and passionate enough that they can and do show up in high numbers if there’s a chance of getting near any of those actors.
And as for me doing things in a different way, I don’t think it should be “different” to advocate for fair pay and working conditions. If I or anyone else wants to claim to be passionate about this art, what is the point of my analysis on the material if I don’t care about the well-being of the people who make the art exist in the first place? We’re just coming off of the SAG/WGA strike, there’s no excuse to not keep these things in mind.
@LadyJenevia I mean different in that you are not just focusing on what we are getting on screen, you are helping to educate viewers about some of the process and politics that go into making these shows, something that 99.99% of the fan base is totally ignorant about. Even if you are able to educate a small percentage of us to understand what matters and what we can do to make a difference with our fave shows so people in front of and behind the camera get more recognition for their work, that is worth doing. Thank you
I hear your argument and have no doubt Netflix can be stingy, but wouldn't Jonny and Simone have been contracted for S3 before S2 even came out? They already knew they were going back, so whatever they were being paid in S3 (and S4?) would be likely what they had negotiated way back in 2021/2022. And probably it's the same for the whole cast - I imagine they are all being underpaid relevant to the show's incredible success and the money Netflix is making from the show through collabs/merchandising. For Jonny and Simone, they have really blown up the last year or so, which I imagine could potentially affect their pay negotiations going forward, but I'm skeptical it was the reason their specific S3 screentime was reduced. From reading some comments of the new showrunner, it seems like the writers just had no interest in Kanthony, nor had any idea what to do with them outside of the "getting Kate pregnant" storyline. We will see what happens, although with Jonny and Simone become more booked and busy (happy for them, best to leave for better opportunities then be stuck with minimal screentime and no real effort from production into giving their characters a storyline), their pay could be a factor in their involvement if the show is renewed past S4.
I really enjoyed the whole show. Had no problems with the older couples disappearing from the storyline. Took it as it came. Was looking forward to Pen and Colin. Love the gowns and sets of Bridgerton. Yes I agree about Hollywood and signing the cheek, but the actors have different schedules that have to be considered! Otherwise was happy just to see the show come back!
If Shonda and Netflix were going to phase out principal Bridgerton siblings and their spouses over time, why did they name the show "Bridgerton" in the first place? Should've called it something else that didn't imply that the principal family would be in every season smh. We watch it coz we love the fam! I love the family scenes, humor, banter and individual journeys of all the siblings and their love interests/spouses. I hope most of them will return every season including Daphne (coz her and Anthony's banter was GOLD in season 2!).
I think the superfluous plotlines should have been replaced with main cast plotlines. Like why do we need to see the Featherington baby race or the Mondrich sudden come up in society, those could have been replaced with Benedicts set up and Kate's backstory. Even better if the Feathering Ruby plot wasn't a thing in season two we could have gotten Kate's backstory then. Like I get that with breakout characters you want to give them more screen time but with such a big ensemble like the books / show there is no time for non main plotlines. They added in a lot of plot bloat that was unnecessary when they could have used those resources to tell a more in-depth story. They could go down the Queen Charlotte route if a character is so loved that they pull in number / money for Netflix. Also to the fair pay / time restraints dilemma, I completely understand that and failed to think about that when I get sucked into the romance and the story. I will say with a company like Netflix they can more than afford to pay fair wages and yet they choose not to. I think eventually that stinginess will cause the show to suffer and leave everyone in the lurch, as it is now I really don't see the show going past season 5/6 knowing Netflix. Which is really sad because I do love Hyacinth's and Gregory's unhinged books.
I NAIVELY THOUGHT that Benedict would go hang out in Will's club this season and they could have really interesting conversations in which we get a sense of how the ton / marriage mart way of life is nonsense and that happiness and love can be found away from that. Instead they insisted on giving them a freaking title to deal with which is very BLEGH to me because I wanted to have main characters who ACTUALLY WORK FOR A LIVING. 😶
@@LadyJenevia That makes too much sense. I thought the Mondrich family rise in society would came from the angle of the gentlemen bar as well. Being he would be the best fit and friend of comrades for all the Bridgerton men in the household Simon, Antony, Benedict, Colin, and Gregory.
A place where they could be themselves away from society prying eyes and have honest frank conversations with him and we could see him slowly show his life out the bar.
I like the Mondrich family playline. It’s just growing pains.
I feel where at the point where we’re moving into a new transition stage from single hood to family hood.
Like the fact that there are two Lady Bridgerton now is big and slowly Violet would stay in Ms matriarch status where she could have her new love life and build her kinship with Lady Danbury and the Queen
I was really lost on Benedict’s storyline. 🤔 I have to rewatch season 2 for sure!
I did a Benedict video essay during the down time between seasons 2 and 3, and then I had prepped my "Sidelining of Benedict Bridgerton video" to publish on season 3 part 1 release day because noooooooooooo, look what they did to my boy 😭😆
@@LadyJenevia I would look, but they didn’t give me anything to see 😭😆
Unpopular opinion but I don’t mind the previous season couples only have brief cameos or nothing at all 🥴 every new season I’m excited about the new couple so much that I don’t really need them to waste screen time on previous couples, especially when sometimes it feels they are just put in for the fans and it feels forced for the plot. That being said as long as it keeps true flow I like seeing them
I wonder if they need to have a couple of fans of the books sitting in the writers room to raise possible issues with future storylines e.g it was obvious to any idiot that introducing Marina in S1 would raise difficulties for both Penelope's and Eloise's stories.
Also I would like to say we should not put the blame on netlfix and more on Shondaland. I don’t think netlfix is telling Shonda Rhimes how to run her show. It’s already stated they gave her free rein to do what she wants. Shonda shows are known for drama and drama that is extremely extra. I don’t think every network she’s apart of is telling her to add unnecessary drama to all her shows that’s just a shondalnd type of writing thing. That’s what they are known for. She also said she never done romance before and don’t know about it so it’s not surprising they revert back to crazy amount of drama even if it’s a romance show
Exactly why I gave up on Grey's Anatomy and Scandal. The storylines and drama was preposterous and frankly insulting to my brain.
I really appreciate how much you critique and place heat on the execs/studios for these productions. The creative meddling/their lack of vision/overworking people/not paying a living wage, etc. Bravo! I wish more people talked about this and were aware of what is really going on. I work in the industry and see it constantly. Thank you for helping spread awareness because Hollywood is at such a crossroads right now due to greed.
I don’t mind certain characters not coming back like Daphne and the duke. Their story is complete and their characters don’t even live in the same house. Sure it would be nice e to have cameos but in 8 ep, their presence doesn’t serve the plot nor feel integral. And with a cast so big you end up wasting time pretty easily. I think it would be unfair to keep the actors around knowing they wouldn’t have a lot of screen time or pretty much anything to do. People forget this may be a show we like, but it’s a job for them, and their whole career hinges on being able to continue booking more and more jobs/gigs.
Kate and Anthony feel a bit more necessary bc they are the viscount and viscountess and I’m sure that means they need to be around in some capacity. At the point the writers just need to get creative so that they still have a presence but they don’t take away from the main couples and the actors are able to do other jobs as well :)
If people care about the actors like they say they do, they would realize, one hit show can only last you so long. So at some point you have to jump ship/prioritize other projects so that they can have long careers. I hate the hate Rene gets bc even tho he hasn’t had big hits since Bridgeton he has done stuff and if he wants to grow as an actor he has to do more jobs. Yall want these actors to be the equivalent of super seniors, let them graduate from this show in peace
The childhood story of how they met was a reshoot so they weren’t going to film any flashbacks of it. I guess they put it in because book fans wanted it in however it was filmed.
This is such a good video! I started watching your Bridgerton videos after season 2 because it felt like communing with someone else who was also obsessing over Kate & Anthony, but since then I've become such a fan of your Bridgerton video essays because not only do you stan Kanthony but you provide such incisive commentary about the entire show and industry. Keep it coming!
Thank you so much, this comment is SUCH a pick-me-up that came at just the right time! I really want more viewers to start pushing harder to advocate for the rights of workers because putting all this energy into loving the art means nothing if the people who make it are being made to suffer for it to exist in the first place. And I don't say that about Bridgerton specifically but ALL of the art we watch.
@@LadyJenevia I couldn't agree more. Attack the system, not the people who are forced to work within it! And the arts benefit everyone, so pay those who are engaged in the creative process because their work is socially valuable!
In addition to fanfiction, I also want to encourage fans to support fanart as well. There are some really gorgeous artworks out there and I love to share them on my stories or purchase pieces if the artist has an online store. Overall, I really enjoyed this video! I never realized that money and corporate influence had such a big influence on what characters reappear and what storylines everyone is given.
I am a union member of IATSE (the backstage crew) thank you for touching on the strikes and the reality of the people who created the work, wanting a living wage. We aren’t greedy, we want a fair share of the pie 🥧.
Asking for a liveable wage and humane working conditions is not even remotely close to the word “greedy” ~ I was following the IA stories account more closely when the account was active and it was just one horror story after another. What sense is there for anyone to dream of working in show business when that’s the material reality of being anyone outside of the most upper percentages of name recognition? (And even worse if your job is in a department below the line 🙃)
The Mondriches serve as additional setting and a ‘justified’ deus for episodes near the end.
This is extremely enlightening and as much as I knew that at the end of the day, it is business you rarely think of it as such. Hence, it is easier to make assumptions and claims without evidence and it's up until now that I'm realising how much of a business this truly is. This insight definitely made me look at things a lot more differently for sure.
Unrelated but I LOVE your profile pic, BOTTOMS was one of my most anticipated films last year and I was BEYOND hyped when the studio let me get an early screener to review it, completely lived up to (and outdid) my hopes for how it would be. 😂
But yes, SADLY, the people with the most power in show business are all about their numbers and profits whereas passionate viewers are usually first and foremost about how we emotionally resonate with the characters/story. Therefore, we get all these clashes because of decisions made by people in board rooms who don't care about the well-being of workers or the emotional investment lots of viewers can have for the stories we love the most. 👀
Same! The bit about actors deserving huge raises when they return because of how big of a hit Bridgerton is and ofc corporate isn't gonna want to do that... *glass shatters in my mind*
shoutout coquette French revolutionary girl 3:20 lmfaooo
SHE IS SO FUNNY, HELP
If it's the actors' choice and their interests, I am happy with their presence in s3. it may have been one episode, but it showed everything i wanted: marital bliss, the relationship between kate and violet, affairs of the estate and the shadow of their responsibilities, teasing siblings and... hotness. narratively, it's mission accomplished. of course, i would love their return in 3b, but that's because i could watch them teasing each other for 56 seasons
Sooo, I also foster cats, am mom to a special needs cat, and love Bridgerton. I only just discovered your channel, but you have an immediate subscriber! I hope you’re feeling ok after saying goodbye to your foster babies. It’s so hard, but remember that you are the reason why they made it to adoption day, and that’s something to celebrate.
I LOVE a story well told. Bridgerton fits my criteria.
It's not just that the former main characters come back, the more important thing is that if they are included, they need to do something that makes sense and meaningfully propels the plot such as the way Daphne helps Anthony in season 2. Season 3 did a terrible job with Kate & Anthony - didn't make good use of such popular characters and quality actors. Also re: flashbacks, Bridgerton used to be great at that, and Queen Charlotte did a beautiful job with the flash forwards. Season 3 has a new showrunner and everything is so wonky and awkwardly done.
I loved when you talked about the fanfiction writers! In fact, I am someone who started writing Bridgerton fanfics as soon as I watched its season 2 for the first time, and read a looooot of them as well. Very often I think we do a far better (and loyal and fair) job at writing about the characters than the people actually writing them for the show, purely by love and for free (I mean, it's not my intention to offend anyone, it's just an impression I have). Of course, writing or reading fanfics is not the same as viewing the actors performing on the show, watching their performances, feeling as if you're with them in the scenarios etc., but I've realised that, frequently, I find more happiness by reading a fanfic than actually watching the show. Those issues with budget, highly ranked people meddling in the production, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, and all the other problems that we know that happen, it simply makes me feel sick and feel like I don't wanna see nothing of the sort anymore. I used to love Bridgerton so much, still do (in fact, I fell in love with the show because of Kanthony), but the more a get to know about the filthy things going on behind the scenes, the more I lose my enthusiasm over getting invested on series and films. It's like politics. The more you know it, the more disgusted you get, ya know? Of course, as an artist myself (I am a writer), I feel that is unfair on my part to simply reduce the problem to "oh, I'm not going to watch anything anymore", but... I don't know... It's so revolting. So sickening. Although I understand what you said about your opinions being a mere speculation, I cannot deny myself to think that you must not be entirely wrong. Knowing people, knowing how we function as society, I know there MUST be some truth to your opinions. And it's a pity, really. Because I love this show, and I love these characters. I love, more of all, Kanthony, and I would love for them to be back as long as I can have them. But if you're right, than I don't want that to happen, I mean, for them to come back. If that's the "consequence" of my love for them, I'm not so selfish. I totally understand. But it's a shame nonetheless. I sincerely wished it was different.
I've found fics that are so good that I go and read the other things the author has written, even if it's from a thing I've never watched and know nothing about. 😂
@@LadyJenevia hahahaha I know the feeling! Sometimes I discover that the ficwriter is also a real writer, like, with a book published and everything. And I go there to read it.
Thank you LJ for your thoughts! I haven’t read through all the comments so this may have already been suggested, but I wonder if B’s romantic season is going to be with Lady Tilley’s step-daughter. That scene with the solicitor was an intentional choice so I wonder if it was just to establish her as a strong, determined woman….or hint at her dark side. Plus B having an affair with her & then fall for her mistreated step daughter would create all kinds of a mess. Just a thought! 😊
Kanthony has to return. They are soul of the show ❤❤❤
I think another factor to making Bridgerton less romance based and more family based is to sell it to foreign markets that are more conservative. I’m a book reader so I’m fully aware of how sexual some books are than others and I think their purposely left most of Kantony on the writers room floor because of the sex. Same will happen to Francesca’s season because that’s the most sexual book. I asked Indian American friend what she thought of Kate and the Sharmas and she felt it was a marketing ploy to bring over some of the existing fans Indian dramas into a Netflix produced show. Those Indian drama are far less sexual so to make this more palatable, it became more dramatic. Just a thought.
Yeah, i was wondering why the pen and colin flashbck were only from this season. I would have thought they would have used at least season 1 and 2 scenes to show how much they were close, and with a 2nd colin pov of possible romance reliation,"oh yeah".
The most infuriating thing about Bridgerton and all our founded frustrations with the story and pacing, IS THE VIEWERS who cannot grasp the concept that PEOPLE NEED TO BE PAID FOR THEIR WORK. Everyone supports the SAG strikes, but then they moan and groan about the separating of episodes for the benefit of payment for those working the show (writers, production team members, actors, etc). As a nurse, it's all too familiar. Those who just consume never consider the value of the worker. Ew.
In the interview I did with Josh Levy in the Sidelining of Benedict Bridgerton video, he said on the record SEVERAL reasons why mass-dropping an entire season at once is BAD for the workers. It doesn't give the show room to build momentum with the general audience outside of the core fanbase (and keep in mind, most shows are not as well-known as Bridgerton), and the creatives can also get caught up in the red tape of their contracts where they can't take other jobs but are stuck in limbo of not knowing if/when the show will be renewed, AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, we've seen so many stories come out of people getting these tiny insignificant residual checks when their projects are on a streaming platform... what goes is it for us to just watch a thing and say we love watching it if we don't show any care for the people who are working 12+ hour days for who knows how many months to make these things we "love to watch"?
I love to watch a complete story in one sitting, I understand why some fans say they don't want to watch until the whole season is available, but if we don't all try to think about the bigger picture, these problems are just going to persist and fester.
@@LadyJenevia Beautifully stated, as always ✨️
Although I agree with you. The way they decided to do it is not great. It would've made much more sense to realise the episodes weakly since it would still force the viewers to renew their subscription and would keep the hype by having the viewers speculate about each episode (and maybe a new promo/crumb between the episodes)
In general, it's frustrating when people unaware of the nuances involved in a situation give loud opinions on that situation. In this case, I don't fault people -- they're not ignorant on purpose, as many are young fans and not yet aware of all that goes on behind the scenes and in development to make an incredibly collaborative artform happen, including the financial aspect, but I encourage them to find out. There's lots of entertainment biz coverage online from people well versed in these things who specialize in that kind of coverage, and lots can be gained from reading the trades, as well, like The Hollywood Reporter, Entertainment Weekly, etc. It's a wide, wild world out there!
7:57 Yes, we would 😅. Fandom speculates the entire time whether we get it in 302, 303 or 304... and then one tiny callback to moment in 302 😅
I get, 2 seasons of build-up. I am not complaining. But come on, 1 scene of them as children... that would not kill them 😅 easily could work for both 302 or 304.
Yes, we needed more POLIN and less of those side stories.
I hate how people have forgotten we aren't meant to be capitalists in the USA we are meant to be a balancing act.
Also preach it show not tell is a major thing to creatives but it would cause the studio more money to have both the leads and younger leads
There is a reason why people like Martin Scorsese, Peter Morgan, Bradley Cooper, Tim Burton, and Shonda Rhimes have chosen to strike deals with Netflix. It's because they are known to be HANDS OFF in the creative process particularly with powerful industry creatives such as I have named. Everything you are seeing on the screen with Bridgerton comes from Shonda, Betsy Beers, Chris Van Dusen, Jess Brownell and their team. Netflix may offer their opinion on certain things (which reportedly they did on the infamous Simon/Daphne rape scene) but ultimately Shonda and Co make the creative decisions.
What limits Netflix does impose upon them are strictly financial and procedural. ( An example of what I mean by procedural is that they require them to have a shooting draft of all 8 episodes prior to beginning filming, This is something that does not happen in network television. Writing happens on an ongoing basis) Once these limits are dropped they expect the Exec Producers to manage things themselves only visiting the set occasionally to check on the progress. This is counter to how producing a network television show such as "Lost" operates. In particular, at least one of the Exec Producers of network TV shows are Network employees and their job is to protect the interests of the network. This often includes forcing creatives to do things they aren't interested in doing. In the case of Bridgerton NONE of the Exec Producers are Netflix employees. All of them work for Shondaland and are paid by Shondaland. As long as they keep to the procedural and financial restrictions Netflix lets them do as they want. This includes trying to fit their big ideas into eight episodes.
Consider the fact that these are romances that are being produced by a company that's responsible for shows like "How to Get Away with Murder" and "Scandal". Shows that are DRIVEN by drama. If you are expecting or want a fluffy rom com you will not find it with this show. Betsy Beers even admits in Inside Bridgerton that she thought Shonda was crazy when she approached her the first time with this material. This is largely due to the fact that none of them really understands the romance genre. I am assuming this is one of the reasons why they retain Julia Quinn as a consultant.
As for Kate and Anthony in S3, during the first few months of the Bridgerton shooting schedule, Jonathan was in Canada playing a lead in the multipart series "Fellow Travellers". He was coming back at times to shoot scenes for Bridgerton but that's all he was able to do. Simone had her own commitments during that time as well. With Phoebe Dynevor their really was no reason to have her in the show other than the one scene in the book. Given the very limited amount of screen time she would have had the advice given Colin by Daphne could easily be given by someone else (in this case Violet).
If you really want to blame Netflix for something, blame them for the poor promotion done in both S1 and S2 (especially S2) and the fact that we had to wait two years to see S3. Both are part of their responsibilities when it comes to Bridgerton. Blame them also for the one thing they really have done that affects the creative process...only giving them 8 episodes to work with. Had S2 had at least two more episodes they would have had time to tell the Sharma backstory and achieve all the other things that they wanted. My guess is they made the decision to show Anthony's because he was the Bridgerton.
It’s not my place to reveal other people’s experiences working for the company when I’ve been told things in confidence. All I will say is that it is objectively false to say that they’re “HANDS OFF” with creatives. 😶
@@LadyJenevia Maybe not with smaller less powerful entities. I can certainly see that, but with people like Shonda I am doubting that they push too hard. Try telling Martin Scorsese that he couldn't use the experimental filming techniques he did in "The Irishman" because of the cost. Or tell Bradley Cooper he can't shoot "Maestro" in black and white because they don't like it. It's not happening.
@@Cyberlucy I said everything I said for a reason INCLUDING how it applies to Bridgerton specifically, and I stand behind all of it without revealing anything I’ve been told in confidence. ✌🏻
@@LadyJeneviaAlright but I am also free to disagree with you based on my own research
I would imagine it's not the same for TV and movies. For Scorsese or Cooper, it's a one and done affair with each film. And they're big names too and bring prestige to Netflix so they probably have unique experiences. With TV, I can easily imagine season 1 being left mostly alone, but as soon as it becomes a hit, all the execs with their spreadsheets and algorithms would want to meddle because they want future seasons to be bigger hits and they can smell the money.
Not to mention streaming seems to have become less commercially viable over the years so whatever blank cheques were being issued 8 years ago probably isn't happening anymore today. They've just reinvented cable, or so it looks to me from the outside.
Yes, release one episode a week. Like Business Proposal.
this is really cool
I LOVE Season 3!
Agree - i do love some cameos. But understand that once they have had their turn in the spotlight they arent getting a lot of screen time and any character work to sink their teeth into. They really do deserve to move on to the next thing. That being said - i am hoping we dont loose pen, colin & eloise - they truely seem/feel like CORE characters. But by the end of this season I may feel like polin are fleshed out - leaving very little to work with characher wise.
(I dont think I can live without violet)
Violet HAS to stick around because she's the mother whose only job is making sure all of her children get married. 😂
Haha hello Jenevia I’m Jeneiva! 😂🧡
While I loved this season, I wanted more of Penelope and Colin’s moments like how they first met and when she dances in the park with him watching her and smiling.
But I can picture that in part 2 with her being happy about her engagement.
I also want more of the discussions surrounding his journals since it was a huge focus in the book.
While I still love them in the show and the subtle nods to the book, pennand colin be better.
First you gave us Cho.
Then a Palestine fundraiser.
Now you "... also want the downfall of Capitalism" 💞
(You had me at Cho.)
Also love your Bridgerton content!
Not a fundraiser, there are MULTIPLE links to donate to, and it still isn't enough, which is why I keep reminding people about there being multiple options of where to support.
I would assume they’d have to bring Coughlan back for however many seasons they make, at least to some extent. It would then also make sense to keep bringing Newton back as well, although I guess they could go with the ironic route and have Colin be out travelling during the social season.
I could of course be wrong, though. Slight spoiler I guess, but ”Call the Midwife” kept Vanessa Redgrave on as narrating old Jenny even though the actress playing her younger self departed fairly early.
The reason Anthony isn't on the show is bc he was filming the Jurrasic World/Park movie... he needed to "go on vacation again" to get time away to make the movie as they were scheduled at the same time.
I thought he was doing wicked not Jurassic park I thought that hadn’t even started filming yet
@@natasha8966 possibly - i just know he was doing something else at the same time.
Whoever suggested the penelope/anthony fan fiction, god bless you. I read a couple of them and they were surprisingly good.
I felt I was cheating on my favorite ships, but did not mind it.
THE WHAT? 😂
@@LadyJenevia that was my thought too. But man, the people who wrote them are so good and I can picture them on the writing team.
That feels gross😂
@@jobangharekhan2601 i originally thought that, but once I read them, they were surprisingly good and fun to read.