I've been using the Intel 12900k for a month now... Here's how it's been...
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I'm really liking these types of videos! It's one thing to buy a product from a review, but actually testing it out for a month to see how it holds up and then providing a review on it gives a lot more depth, instead of just "here are the specs, if you like em then buy it"
I think it’d be cool if he uploaded these talking head videos to some podcast service so people can just queue them up and listen hands free
@@dominic.rivera Pressing play on CZcams and then doing something else is somehow less "hands free" than pressing play on a podcast and doing something else?
I'm not against the idea, I just don't understand your logic.
@@mjc0961 easier to have the “podcast” in a playlist and then it’s all ready to go without having to change the video each time. Additionally, with podcasts you can turn the screen off on your phone and it’ll continue to play the audio whereas with CZcams you need CZcams premium. And quickly pressing play on a video each time sometimes isn’t feasible if you’re doing the dishes, or driving, or anything away from your phone that requires your attention and both hands.
Amen
Agree.
I'm still torn on what to buy. Money is no issue. But at the same time i don't want to overspend.
Videos like this makes it somewhat easier to make up your mind on what you 'should' buy or not.
I had similar "lock up" frozen screen, BSOD, crash to desktop issues with my 12900K system as well but solved it due to a long process of elimination. I did not experience the no post issue under the exact conditions though something of the nature happened but more memory related.
System:
Full Custom Water Cooling with 2 360mm Radiators (Corsair, but using all Lian Li Fans)
CPU: 12900K
GPU: Asus Strix 3080 Ti
Motherboard: Asus Z690-A Strix DDR4
RAM: 4x16GB GSkill Trident Z Neo 3600Mhz 16-19-19-39 DDR4
OS: Windows 11 Pro
Right off the bat when everything was put together and booted up normal operation was largely fine, but sometimes there would be occasional BSOD or CTD/lockup on certain games. But then it started getting more frequent. I ran all sorts of diagnostics and hardware monitoring and everything seemed fine, CPU checked out, GPU checked out using Cinebench or MSI Kombuster, 3DMark. Then I got the idea to do a full Memtest64 since it was bundled with the Asus motherboard. I had enabled XMP Profile #1 (there are 2) and boom, after the Pass #1, Pass #2 through #4 had issues. The bad part, it was entirely random. Nothing that indicated a consistent bad range of memory addresses or a particular CPU core. I then returned the memory and got the exact same kit only to get similar issues in Memtest64. I turned off XMP Profile and it works but why pay for faster memory when you can't use it?
The same instability issues were still present, random BSODs, CTDs or lockups. After some Googling I found an obscure Reddit post mentioning XMP Profile #2, well what's the difference? XMP Profile #1 sets basic primary timings but leaves the secondary timings to the motherboard to decide. XMP Profile #2 are strict tighter timings that set even the secondary timings as defined by the memory manufacturer... I thought it was worth a shot, I switched it to XMP Profile #2 and a miracle happened, Memtest64 passed, I even reran it multiple times to confirm. System was then stable afterwards even with aggressive overclocking (after I verified stability). No more BSODs, no more Lockups, no random CTDs.
The system is stable even with the following aggressive OC settings:
CPU:
P-Core:
5.5Ghz Single/Dual
5.2Ghz All-Core (Can hit 96C on some cores)
E-Core:
4.1Ghz All-Core (Won't go higher, even though only at 71C)
GPU:
+145Mhz Core Clock
+1150Mhz Memory Clock
TLDR: Check Memtest64 and check which XMP Profile timings work for your system.
Edit: Wanted to note that I also checked board and memory compatibility during troubleshooting and the board and those 4 sticks are compatible according to GSkill. Also corrected board model to Strix not Prime.
I did not have the patience to write all this but this is exactly what happened to me. XMP 1 would randomly crash games and sometimes BSOD. memtest passed and games would still crash. Been using XMP 2 with same speed as XMP 1 and my system is completely stable.
Good posts here thanks for that
This feels like another round of silicon lottery. But so glad you managed to deduce this down. I'll definietly keep this in my cheat sheet in case I get this on my 12thgen build. Thanks!
Thanks for the detailed insight and a possible solution should this come up for my new build. I'm don't plan on overclocking in my 12th gen build so hopefully nothing crazy happens.
Is smart to get i5 12600K?
And windows 11?
I heard windows is very buggy and it looks like 12th gen is kinda mess still.
But thats my impression, what do you think?
Running a 12700K on DDR4 and enjoying it both from a cost saving as I got to re-use my drr4 3600 ram and performance perspective. The power draw as compared to a 12900K is so much better and well under control. Overclocking is fairly straightforward on the per core overclocking and it has been a big step up. Couple of issues at the beginning with Windows 11 but now fairly resilient.
First ever build with a 12900k at the centre on a z690 hero MB, 32gb ddr5 corsair 5600mhz, Windows 11 and RTX3090 FE. I have had no issues at all, no crashes, freezing or odd behaviour. XMP profile is on and as commented on in the video, experience of usage is just wow at how snappy and responsive every load and interaction is. Games like Halo Infinite and Apex are running solidly at 140fps at 4K. Temps on the 12900 have not been a problem with the corsair H150.
Hi Johnathan, glad it's working out for you. Are you going to take a peek at the 13th gen, Raptor, stuff.
i too am getting 32gb 5600 corsair vengeance rgb to go with a 12900k. so if i were to enable a 5600mhz xmp profile from 4000mhz i'd be fine??? 'cause the 12900k is rated to hold no more than 4800mhz
sucks 9 months later everything is out of date, nice setup by the sound of it though
I've been running a 12700k since launch and have never had any issues with stability. I switched from a 9700k and was going to go with a 5900x until I saw 12th gen. I live stream sometimes and regularly game for 8+ hours straight on the weekend and I have never crashed (other than the game itself but I just count that up as just Warzone issues since on my 9700k the game crashed once every so many weeks as well. I honestly can't remember last time the game crashed on the 12700k). I have moved the PC probably 10 times going to friends and have never had any issues with posting or stability. It honestly has been extremely reliable. But in February I built a PC for a friend with a 12600k on a MSI PRO z690 DDR4 and could not run XMP on SP 3000 MHz RAM up until about a month ago with bios updates but other than that they have had 0 issues with the system as well.
My specs:
12700k
Asus TUF Gaming z690 DDR4 WiFi
Had a Gigabyte 2080s in it for about a month with no issues until I was able to get an EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3080 in late December last year through their queue, again been running with no issues.
32gb Corsair Vengeance 3200 DDR4
970 Pro boot drive
I build a new PC with each generation of GPU (So every other year but this PC was delayed because of gpu availability). This system has been rock solid so unless AM5 or 13th gen have massive gains I might just get a 4080 and stick with this system for the next few years.
DDR4 though -- maybe DDR5 is his issue!
Basically same scenario, I moved from 9700k + 1080ti to 12900k + 3080RTX and have been amazed. No stability issues at all, rips through any game I throw at it (even the most demanding that I have: Cyberpunk 2077, Warzone, Star Citizen). Couldn’t be happier with this setup.
@@lamergamer4743 Honestly this is one of the hardest memory generation gaps to bridge from what I've read. Makes sense Intel struggled. Could be something AMD doesn't struggle with because they're not supporting both on one platform.
Doesn't solve the price/availability problems though.
Is your 12700k bottle necking your 3080 at all? I feel like my 3070Ti is pretty much maxed out while my 12700KF is practically idling along while gaming.
This has actually helped make up my mind. I have an 8th gen build that needs upgrading. I was planning to upgrade to 12th gen, but now I think I'll throw in an 11th gen board and chip (don't need to change anything else), then just save up for when the platform is more mature and I can get all the good gear, instead of cutting corners with DDR4 B series boards like I would have to at the moment.
Really appreciate this honest, casual advice. I'm in mid-build myself right now and this is really helpful.
Glad to see a video showing how to methodically approach unknown errors / random quirks in a system step by step, including the failed steps.
Reminds me of the 1990's, early 2000's where problems often occured because of mismatched hardware.
hah, remember all the issues with AGP 4x and 8x? Good times :) (damn i'm dating myself here, dont mind me)
@@ayyyyp Don't feel bad, my first PC was a 286 with 640k ram in 1990.
@@steffithemad8327 Same here. Played Tetris, jumpman, the original 2d duke nukem, and good old commander keen on it.
@@ayyyyp You think you're dating yourself, My first computer was bought in 1976, had to hand solder every component, wire, switch etc. All 1900 solder points.
If anyone is looking at the large kit from Ifixit just know that the larger bits are not magnetic. It was very disappointing to pay so much for something that I will not really be using. You would think something being sold for building and repairing electronics that this would be a given requirement to have.
My build screwdrivers are some random off brand that I picked up from target in a pinch a few years ago and found that they had incredibly strong magnetic tips... Like way stronger than most. So I moved them into my pc building tool kit where they've lived ever since
Did you try running them through a magnet to make sure they did not get demagnetized?
@@Celician83 I've tried a few things. Every single 1/4" bit is not magnetic. It isn't just one or two of them.
@@pistolfied I've tried to magnetize them myself. It doesn't seem to take, and for 1/4 bits that I paid $85 for should just work out of the box. If I purchase something that requires extra work out of the box it should either say so or should be a lower price. The quality of the bits and drivers are a 10/10. They fit perfectly in any screw that they are supposed to fit. The lack of magnetic bits is a QC problem when they say they should be something they are not.
@@pistolfied You know they should be magnitized out of thr box at that prize point?
Did my upgrade a bit over a week ago to an i5-12600k, so far it's been perfectly fine with 4 sticks of DR4-3200. Probably more stable than my i7-6700k system was.
Parts list:
Asus Z690-P D4
Corsair Vengeance Pro SL 4x8GB DDR4-3200
2TB Samsung 980 Pro (Game installs)
2x 1TB WD SN 750
Corsair H115i Elite
6+ year old EVGA 750 gold PSU.
I got a question please help me out. If I go from a 13 gen i7 to a 13 gen i9 I shouldn't have any types of updates, should I? z790 32g ddr5 4070ti 2tetb thanks if you can help
@@traviskelly7082 I don't think you'd need any kind of updates for that small of an upgrade. That said, it's not exactly going to be that much of a performance jump for most tasks, especially for gaming.
Its the biggest GPU intel offers and its for gaming lol am I wrong? up to 5.8 , I ran it on a bottleneck program at 1440 240fps with 256 gig mem on a z790 and a 4070 Ti it said 0%. and thank you I was just wondering about updates. I want to know what im getting into lol.@@1steelcobra
this i7 I have is a killer but it can get better with an new 13th i9
oh and a 2 tb nvme
I used to build my own PCs, often out of junked parts just to see if I could get something to work. Spent many a late night trying to fix some weird BIOS issue or getting a MB to post or trying to straighten some bent pins on a CPU. I finally decided to treat myself and buy a pre-built gaming rig with a Core i7 11700F and an 8 GB 3070. Swapped out the RAM for 64 GB of Corsair Vengeance
DDR4 and even with Win 11 Pro, it's been smooth sailing. It's not the newest or greatest, but it's fast and stable and looks pretty with all those LEDs in the case changing colours. It's nice to click the mouse and have the machine come out of hibernation exactly where you left off with no issues. Sometimes good enough is good enough. Since a lot of what I do is not platform or OS specific, I could have just given in to temptation and bought a Mac Studio, but I didn't give in to the dark side, and I came away happy with what I bought.
This sounds so similar to my experience with an ASRock board, ddr3 and a 4790k. I spent so much time and effort dealing with intermittent issues that were constantly solved by doing basically nothing that I just parted it out and started again. Just wasn't worth the time and effort anymore.
Plot twist: His head shown in the first few seconds of the video is the actual size, it is shrunk for the rest of the video to look normal.
i built my first pc since 1993(god i am old). watching your vids inspired me as well gave me some helpful tips and advice. went with the 12900k on a z690 steel legend MB, 32 gb ram ddr4, 3080 gigabyte vision gpu all in the corsair 5000d icue case. it has been a week now and all systems running fine.
What lower case 'g' god do you prey for?
@@paulhogsten2613 there is a time and place for everything...this is neither the time nor the place
@@CPC941 Your WONG!
This is probably going to get lost in the sea of comments, but have you considered the possibility of dirty power? I work in a large enterprise environment with a wide swath of new, aging, and ancient infrastructure. I only suggest it because I've encountered similar issues in the last couple years with increased frequency in buildings that require power conditioners for most modern electronics. Dirty power is wild in the problems that it can introduce and is often not something most folks even consider.
Can’t wait to see what raptor lake has in store for us. Alder lake really was a great step for intel.
Rather take the new Ryzen, Intel seem to struggle to keep up wattage vs speed and ipc. I mean.. an 5800x3d on an older plattform is better than 12900k at lower wattage and ghz..
@@sidewinder86ify very true but Intel fanboys disagree and keeps on inhaling that super intel copium gas tanks.
I have two 12th gen systems, running overclocked for about 3 months now, one with an asus board and one with a gigabyte board, both are on ddr4 (4000mhz cl18 both), didn’t have any issues with them and the performance is really impressive
@zFA113N NINJA on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand.
(DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
Lol I have 2 msi z690 ddr4 boards one 4000 cl18 one 4400 on 12700k and 12900kf Lan did not work out the box with windows on both boards lol
@@pilsen8920 That's common with new intel boards. Wi-Fi / Lan notworking out of the box. One of my MOBOs was an MSI.
@@pilsen8920 when i said in general or brand i meant the motherboards. or is it the DDR5? ...i went DDR4 because theres minimal difference. When did you do your purchases?
Same actually. And yes the performance is absurdly overpowered.
Enjoyed the video, bummer about the stability issues.
I've been using a 12700K/Asus TUF Gaming Z690/Corsair DDR4/RTX 3060ti/Kingston S3000 nvme for my main work machine for about a month now. Zero problems, but the only over clocking is XMP. Previous daily driver was a Dell 8th Gen i7 laptop with onboard Quadro. This machine is astonishingly faster in daily tasks. Most of my code is for windows console and service apps, so they are not huge, compiles are so much faster. I opted for DDR4, stability was critical for me. I did use win 11 since it knows how to deal with the ecores, no issues with stability and start 11 removes most the crap that bugs me.
Is there anything in windows 11 that you turned on/off that improved your workflow experience ? Getting a system with windows 11 pre installed and i've only used windows 10.
Lol. Daily driver.... Nice setup dude.
I appreciate this video and your feedback. I picked up the 12600k and I’m running DD4 on an Asus board. I don’t do any OC on it because it’s just crazy fast compared to my old rig. I love my setup. I’m sorry you’ve been having the issues.
Had my 12900k with ddr4 originally with zero issues. Now changed to a new MB and ddr5 6200mhz 2x16gb and zero issues. Both times W11 was fresh installed. I did make sure my ddr5 was on the list on the Asus site as validated to work.
Yep
How long did u had a ddr4 board before you made the switch?
@@lightning2516
Ddr4 MB was not that far after launch and changed to ddr5 MB a month ago when ddr5 was in stock at a good price.
@@theoldpcgamer77 I'm waiting until they release lower cl ddr5 ram before I make the switch
@@lightning2516
Mine is cl36 but i can lower it to 32.
My first build ever with 12th gen, system is solid as, using a MSI Carbon 690 board, DDR5 (xmp off) with a 3080ti. Mild OC on both. I run VR (reverb g2) sim racing and have had zero problems.
What Colling CPU you using? For you msi carbon
what ram are you using? im having trouble with mine. i can t seem to get it to boot.
@@rovinrubio326 MSI 300mm cooler bench tests it gets up to around 70deg C but gaming its usually 45c
@@phxrisingmedia DATA AX5U5200C3816G-DCLABK XPG LANCER 32GB 5200MHz)DDR5
@@phxrisingmedia But I am running a 12700K CPU
Thanks for a review of the new tech. I am skipping 12th Gen, as I got into Ryzen last year (5900x and 5600x for my 2 PCs). With all the new standards that dropped at nearly the same time - socket, DDR5, PCIe 5.0 - I didn't feel like being the troubleshooting department for making them all work together. I may jump onto the new Ryzen CPUs when they drop, but at least DDR5 will be a bit more mature and mobos should at least have that figured out by then. Also, interested in new PSUs with the new PCIe power plugs... hope to see those reviewed soon as well.
Same, 5900X on X570 Dark Hero. dont see myself upgrading to even am5. i'll probably wait for ddr5 and all to get more mature.
Hey Jay, just wanted to say you've been a huge inspiration to me for the last few years now. I've been running a 12900K for the last few months now and it has been good so far. 16GBx2 DDR5 5600MHz. I do have it overclocked 5.2GHz all 8P cores and 4.1GHz all E-Cores. Now granted, I do have 53x2, 52x6. AVX Ratio at 0. Overclocking TVB Enabled with TVB1/TVB2 95c -4, TVB3 - TVB8 95c -3. V/F Point Offset 6: -0.025 V/F7: +0.06. Min/Max Ring Cache: 40. Adaptive Mode Additional Turbo Mode CPU Voltage at +1.35. I get around 35c idle and around mid-high 80s under load when playing games. This is NOT ideal for Rendering but it has been an absolute dream for games.
Similar experience for me nothing like what Jay is getting. but haven't seen 70 yet under load playing Star Citizen SCUM, Anno1800 and more. and Running 34 inch Ultrawide Max settings. Love the system atm.
Hi David, what do you mean with 53x2, 52x6? Is that frequency by max concurrent cpus? How do you cool your system?
@@mentalmeerkat5040 you haven't stress-tested your system with a benchmark so your observations aren't comparable. You have to use a program to peg your CPU to 100% in order to see real temps under load.
@@buzzfightbeer8023 Moot point as my idles are even lower than his, don't have the voltage problem he has, nor do I have the posting issues or crashes. As we are talkin my Idle is 32. Go to his previous videos on this and check the temps over volting issues etc. That being said, I ran some test in the interim and no issues or as high temps observed. Not even getting 80C mid 70s. Room temps are cool as its winter here so maybe accounts for 5deg or so. MSI Unify Mobo z690 Gskill 32gig 2 x16gig DDR5 12900k Corsair H150i LCD
@@PitPendragon yea basically so its 5.3 when up to 2 cores are loaded but when 3-8 cores get loaded it'll go to 5.2 so if you use xtu that's the active core tuning setting, basically lets its still preserve some of the turboing for single core, At least that's what I'm assuming and how it works on my 9900k but don't know how the other things affect it beyond that 12 gen has some more complicated settings you can get into with the TVB and setup voltage frequency curves and stuff
I had the problems you described when I underclocked the cache voltage to much. I'm now running 5.0Ghz cache with just 0.010v offset undervolt 100% stable. Running the Asus TUF Gaming D4 z690-plus wifi which is a DDR4 board though.
In our company we've upgraded to self built 12900k systems about a month after launch. In the beginning had some issues with the bios settings but after those where solved they have been rock solid. We're using these for software development and some gaming. All systems are ddr4 and water cooled with the same over clocking settings.
Thanks J, I have been thinking to adopt the tested 3960x over 12900k. Since AM4 won't have future updates and I don't typically update frequently. Hoping strx4 will last longer and will provide future proof core counts. Currently running i7 4930k. And the drama with Z690 is too high.
Your description of issues sounds a lot like my experience when I had a ram stick start to die. It would even pass memtest sometimes, but would also lockup with frozen image on screen occasionally. Eventually I found errors in a memtest and got the stick RMAd never had the same issue again.
I had the same thing happen with some RAM too. Even RMA'd a MB because the memtest was fine at first.
Agree sounds like RAM to me too
could be j2c's problem.
I have been using my 12900K for two months now and I have 0 issues with it. Everything works great. I'm using ASRock Z690 Taichi, my favorite all time motherboard.
oh you have moneeyyyyyy
@@oscar21781 on god
lol, just buy a $600 motherboard and the issues disappear bro
@@oscar21781 not really, I sold my old pc and upgraded. Didn't put too much into it.
Been running a 12600k for a couple months now with an Asus Z690M. It's been flawless. I think all the issues he was having seems like a very specific issue with possibly a bad CPU or board or like he said, it seems like maybe a faulty half-working ram module
Hey J
12900KF Gigabyte Aorus Master Z690. Ran fine for 2 days but had lots of memory training issues on GSKILL @6400. 2 days and it damaged 1x 16Gb stick from the pair. Swapped GKSILL for Corsair @6000MHz and it's been smooth sailing for the last 3 months. I am struggling with overclocking and heat issues (aorus waterforce x360), other than that its really been great.
New subscriber, thank you for the content. Built this 12gen, my first PC after watching almost all your videos.
I don't have any issues keeping my 12900k cool. I do find the Corsair 1700 retaining screws too short which is probably why they're bending procs. I used the 15XX screws and it fits perfectly and even with modest overclocking stays around 70-75c while stress testing. Obviously going higher heats it up more but I'm not going crazy because it's expensive and already a beast.
I'm waiting for the new platforms at the end of this year. I'm due for a change being on 7th gen Intel but I'm comfortable to wait with what is right around the corner. I won't be building as soon as they drop likely due to scarcity and demand so will have to wait a bit.
The system not turning on after a power loss, CMOS clear doing nothing, etc... That sure sounds like memory training issues. I had these issues early both on X79 and X99 with certain kits of RAM. Despite them being name-brand and validated, they always did this. It wasn't until RAM went cheaper (way back when) that I bought a 32GB kit for both my X79 and X99 system and the weird issues went away. To this day, both are solid runners running XMP and overtclocked. Back then, I was all about stability, no overclocking no XMP and the random crashes and lockups would infuriate me. Heck my X79 system would drop a memory channel from time to time. Hopefully the teething issues get sorted out for you!
I've had this problem with an old Asus Z77 Sabertooth board. Same symptons as Jay, would be weird if I unplugged it and moved it. Would let it sit for like 10 minutes and it would be fine.
For me it was bad motherboard...did an RMA, installed new one and everything was working perfectly.
@@evanhooper1 On my X79 Sabertooth board I fixed it by manually inputting the timings and disabling training on the memory channels. It also sped uop the POST process a bit. On a side note, both X79 and X99 Sabertooth boards, I could never get fast boot to work. It would always hang on the next boot to Windows.
@@ahmicm23 RMA? I think I have the same issue, thx.
I went with a 12700k, DDR5 5600, and a 3080 using windows 11 with a Asus Z690 mobo and I've been very impressed so far. Zero weird issues so far using it primarily for gaming so far but have done lots of stress testing overclocks and custom watercooling. Hopefully it'll work out for you.
Hey Jayz, hey everyone! I was really happy to see this video! My last two months were filled with trouble shooting regarding my new ITX build 😞
Here are my components:
Intel i5 12600K,
Phanteks Glacier One 240 MPH,
MSI MEG Z690i Unify,
Corsair Vengeance DDR5 4800Mhz,
Asus TUF Gaming OC RTX 3070ti,
Corsair SF750 PSU,
Samsung 970evo plus 2TB,
all in a Lian-Li A4-H20 ITX case.
I startet with a fresh Win10 64bit installation, deactivated driver installation coming from Windows and installed all hardware and chipset drivers coming from the websites from Intel/MSI/Asus. Because of all the new components, I also focused on stability - so no OC at all.
The system is/was 100% stable in "office mode" - so without any gaming. But while gaming, the system was absolutely frustrating. In Rocket League, the game always minimized to tray or black-screen to desktop or crashed (sometimes hard-reset necessary, sometimes back to desktop via task manager). Civ VI always crashed to desktop after a few minutes.
I tested the stability with MemTest (several hours with no issues), Ungine Heaven 4.0, FurMark and with my two main games (Rocket League and Civ VI) and always watched frequencies and temperatures with monitoring software.
After speaking with MSI support, I did a BIOS update to the latest beta-version (didn't helped). I then did all the "fixes" like DP-cable change, using just one RAM, clean GPU driver installation with DDU, adjusting BIOS-setting (deactivating E-cores, enabling/disabling XMP, setting fix PCIe Version, etc.), deactivating game mode, deactivating xbox game bar, setting energy mamangement to max power and all the other well known tweaks (like undervolting GPU). Everything didn't helped. I then updated to Win11 (via Updater, knowing that this would be the worst kind of update). This system update didn't helped either.
I then re-built the whole system from the base (unplugging all components and cables and re-building the wohle computer coming from an empty case) and cleaned the whole SSD and fresh-installed Win11 via boot-stick. This time I chose to "let windows do its thing" and installed all updates/drivers coming from windows. I then installed nvidia drivers and nothing else, just to see the system behavior without doing "too much". After this, RL and Civ VI was playable without any crashes 🙂
Now, my system is kind of stable. I'm down from "one issue every 30 minutes while gaming" to "one issue every one, two or three days while gaming". Interestingly, beside "normal game crashes to desktop" I now have also blue screen and "instant re-boot" as error-indications. I also noticed that I can have a game-crash and after re-booting the system, the game is stable for hours. Now I'm updating all the drivers like sound, BT, network, wifi etc. "step by step" and test the system at least for one week after each update.
I hope my story may help someone - at the end I can only recommend to check all the cables and hardware connections and to do a clean Win installation with a bootable medium.
Best regards and thank you for your channel! 🙂
I'm running my 12700k since end of january, oc'ed with Asus ai suite, never had a single bluescreen or frozen system. Absolutely no problems so far. Really happy with it. Forget to mention: DDR4 3600 cl16 on Asus strix z690-a, gpu is still a 2080s. Since everything is custom watercooled, it's the best system I've ever had. Came from a 9900k..
i have the same but with ddr5 and OC with asus AI, no problems here either clocking it up to 5.4-5.3ghz
Ymmv but I have a Asus board ddr5 i9-12900k Corsair dominator ram, had to remove all oc and xmp to get stable on win 11
Me too ASUS rog maximus, 32gb ddr 5, i712700k overclocked..3090 FE no issues at all
What CPU cooler do you use? I'm thinkign about returning to Intel from Ryzen and I dont know which cooler to use. Need something that's easy to install and can keep the damn thing cool lol.
@@jordancourse5102 full custom liquid loop. Because yeah darn thing runs real hot. I would look at getting a 360 aio or a loop.
I went for 12700K on a DDR4 platform and I had loads of memory training issues to start. For a long time I couldn't lock XMP profiles (on a 3200 CL14 kit). Strangely, I could manually set timings to get it to boot but it wasn't particularly stable. I believe that issue was sorted out by a later bios revision. I had lots of weird, stuttery issues as well during normal use but I think that may have been due to using Win 11 on a pair of Gen4 nvme drives in RAID0. I only used it for a couple of weeks in that configuration before I switched back to Win 10 on a single drive which was a more pleasant experience. I also couldn't really overclock the system without using more exotic cooling; I normally use a NH-D15 that was just not up to the task. It's been fun to play with the new platform but it's definitely less stable, less efficient and requires much greater cooling than the 5900X I switched from (and have since switched back to). The Linux experience is still pretty shaky on 12th gen as well, depending on your base distro.
Yeah but everybody is so gung ho for new RAM, new PCIe, new NVMe, and GPUs drawing 1200W, lol. Your problems will pale in comparison to theirs. People will literally be dying for next gen when they set their house on fire.
Jay, I had bad RAM recently and all of the issues you describe seem to match my own. I am on 10900kf with ddr4, but still absolutely same issues. Consider switching the sticks.
maybe this is J2c problem
You should have bought a F150!
Me also :)
I got ddr5 6000 ram and an asus z690e. The mobo maxes out at 4800hz allowability. Overclocking the ram to 6000hz wouldn’t even boot to windows. So I wasted like a $100 on better ddr 5. Don’t make this mistake.
Yep. Blue screens, etc sound like memory issues in my experience, too
I had a lot of the same issues at the beginning, random freezing or restarts, blue screen of death... I have a 12th gen i9-12900K, Asus RTX 3060 12g oc, Maximus z690 formula, corsair vengeance DDR5 64g 5200Mhz ram. I kept getting a 00 error code. Long story short I found out that the ram was actually causing the issue. Then I had to use the onboard video output because, for some reason, it didn't like the driver from Nvidia. However, after updating everything and switching to windows 11 I have not had any issues. I'm getting too old to compete in PVP anymore, my response time is too slow lol, but it's a perfect rig imo for farming and streaming video on a separate monitor.
I've had the exact same issue with boot or system changes. I have a 12600k, 32 gb 5600mhz Gskill DDR5, and an asus Z690-A Prime. Any time I do a Bios update of which there are many, it's a a solid hour to get it back functional. I've also found leaving it alone somehow makes it think about life enough to fix. Only other issue I've found has been an occasional 5 minute delay of hardwired network connecting. Initially it was on a dirt cheap DDR4 board from MSI and the problems weren't present, so I'm assuming it's ram related. It has been a smooth transition other than that
I have the same board and the same memory as you. I’m using a 12700. Same problems.
@@lanegillespie9430 I keep hoping a Bios update will fix it but no luck yet. Luckily being my computer doesn't move much it's not an issue and it isn't work critical but annoying nonetheless
The motherboard seems to be the problem in both of your builds. I guess you should never cheap out on a motherboard
@@MusabXD3000 I'd hardly call it a cheap board. And being I have a friend with an Rog strix board experiencing similar issues and another with an Aorus master? Nah not the board. At least not the posting issues. Just happens that the last commenter had the same one.
@@somekidwithanm4 on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand.
(DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
My 12th Gen Intel 12900K system has been awesome!!! I went with a DD4 RAM and have it set at 3200 MHZ. NO boot issues ever. It crushes with my 3090
What kind of board?
@@panscrank what is the problem with having money ...
Some people actually work for it and earn it 👌
@@timothygibney159 ASUS Strix Z690A Gaming
@@Need4FPS I know right…
First of, great video. 👍😊
My troubleshooting all points at the Z690 chipset got some kind of issue, as I have set up 2 systems, and I have never had that many issues with any builds before combining 12th gen Intel and Z690 chipset boards.
All kinds of crashes in windows, memory not dual channel, when it is and works in other system, GPU issues, bios issues, almost all problems I have ever come across in my about 25+years of experience with building computers, in building those 2 builds. 🤯
But when you get it to work it runs very good. 👍
But the headache you get with it is heavy.
Hey Jay! thanks for the awesome PC build content. 12th GEN and DDR5 running like a champ here- it blows the old 3770K 3rd GEN so far out the water it's not really even comparable at any level- except for maybe heat. But - i took your advice and ran the 420mm Corsair LCD AIO and it works amazing. I ran 6 Corsair ML140 fans in push/pull in the front of the Phanteks P600S case and it's been keeping idle temps with 12900K to 27c all night. :) 4 sticks of DDR5 all good running at 4000Mhz. in the SPD in AIDA64 for XMP v3.0 it even says they recommend to use 1 stick per channel if you want to use XMP so i never tried. I heard some people got 4 sticks with XMP working fine.
Only issue i've come across with this setup is running 2 instances of Ableton Live i do get some pops & clicks over the Thunderbolt 4 connection. Single instance no issues.
You wouldn’t necesarrily run 2 instances of Ableton Live anyway 😂
@@AotO_DJ you are correct- even ableton told me they don’t support it. 😄
Hi, my take on this is that my good old Hackintosh got a "little" outdated for my homestudio works (music production, audio editing and 4k footage editing) and i stumbled across guys wondering if it would be possible to make this happen on 12th gen CPUs, as Apple does not use them. Long story short, these insane nuts made it happen with not too much hassle to get around the big/little stuff and i tried to give it a crack. Thunderbolt is working, performance is insane - to be honest: power draw as well, but given the fact the Mac would have cost me at least three times the money i consider this a win/win for me. And no: for this setup AMD would have never been a possibility, as AMD hacks always show up weird issues with Apple specific software as Adobe studio, Logic, FCPX or the macos version of Davinci. As i am dealing with the power draw only while rendering, it is bearable for me. Fun fact is that i am getting the same performance with my macos setup as with my WIN11 setup (dual boot). Am i happy ? Yes ! P.S.: GB Z690 Gaming X DDR4, 32 GB DDR 3600-CL16, 12700K, some NVME Gen4 drives and my trusty RX 570 8GB (for given reasons)...and anything before BIOS version F4 was...ahem...difficult - so this stuff was not only Asus related.
I’m running a 12700KF with DDR4 3200 and a 6900XT. Runs perfectly with no issues and performance is amazing. 12700K runs a bit cooler than the 12900 with only a minor performance dip.
Thank you for the video. I was seriously considering z690 hero + 12900k + 2x32G DDR5, but now after I saw that, I'll definitely pass. For me reliability and stability always comes first. I've experienced the early adopter fun few times in the past and I don't want that fun any more. Currently on Z590 Hero and 10900k +2x32GB DDr4.
Always appreciate these sorts of videos where someone gives a review after having owned a system for a while. Sorry to hear of the difficulties. I am running a Ryzen 7 3700X on a B450 motherboard with 16GB 3200MHz memory and a GTX 1070 Ti for my gaming rig. Will likely sit on it until the fall of 2024 and look at a whole new rig.
nice pc
I've been really surprised with how stable my 12th Gen system has been. 12900K, Rog Strix Z690-F and DDR5.
06:42 No overclocking is the problem. System these days try to optimize too aggressively for all use cases. For gamers a static frequency and voltage is always the best. I ran my 12700K at 48/47 and turn off E-cores and gave it some overvoltage to make it super stable and temp at 60-70C under stress test.
is there any video on how to do it? My 12700 goes up to 93-95. Would love to drop some temps
TUF Z690 DDR4 with 12700k from near launch. Rock solid despite heavy overclock. One of the most stable intel platforms I've ever used, and I've always been on intel mainly for the stability. I think the new RAM is the issue Jay
I came to 12900KF from Threadripper. It’s amazing how bad stability is with 12th gen, however gradually I have gotten it to be reasonably stable. The biggest problem is with multimonitor source switch glitch and having two different resolutions.
Been running a 12700k (to replace a 6700k, kept the GTX1080 from prev. build) for a few months now. Went with the DDR4 build to save cash, and no complaints so far. Definitely some weird booting issues from time to time. Definitely concerned about the power usage if I choose to upgrade the GPU later, as I bought a new EVGA 750W PSU, and looking at how power hungry some cards are I might not have enough for everything. Chose a Noctua NH-D15, been very satisfied.
Been thinking of upgrading my 6700K (OC to 4.8) to a I9-12900K. How do you like your upgrade a year later than when you made this post?
@@trumpsextratesticle8590 Worth it 100%, send it.
Thanks for this video. And hopefully it will show younger audience that experienced only Intel for a decade (because Bulldozer) and didn't move to Ryzen, because it had "stability issues" - that this is universal. No matter what manufacturer your CPU is - when you move to new micro-architecture your system will Always have some problems. This might impact Intel slightly less - since they have more money to co-operate with Microsoft and other huge corporations on how their CPU's work with their software, but it will happen nonetheless. Usually the quality of company can be graded based on how quickly they respond to issues that pop up when large amount of people move to new micro-architectures.
Intel response to 12th Gen when dealing with this problem was not bad, but could be better. I don't blame them, given that everything there is new (DDR5, PCIe 5.0 - though you mention 4.0 - I have to check, but if you have 4.0, Ryzen 5000 series and 5xx series mobos already had this and for NVMe drives it was a big change, so IDK if the change you were describing was due to faster processor, better SSD or you simply meant PCIe 5.0 and have drive that can use it?), but amount of money they have should have helped them dealing with it. Though it's also partially MS "fault" - after all Windows 11 is a new OS. So some of the problems might come from this as well.
Honestly looking forward to see how AM5 and Zen4 will handle their issues - and especially looking forward to your video(s) about it. AMD for once has enough market share that they should be able to have enough money to validate and debug some stuff prior to launch, but a) they still don't have the Intel's budget for that nor co-operation with Software developers on the same level and b) Regardless - it will be new architecture, so it will have issues. I hope that this time at least they will have co-operation from mobo people that won't release "mediocre" mobos like 3xx series of AM4. And that their response time to their specific problems will be as quick as it is for Intel. We need competition, we literally cannot afford to not have one. So I wish people in Intel, NVIDIA and AMD that they continue to develop great things and that their profits will be enough to ensure that R&D and debugging is as swift as possible, but that they won't be so high, because of them increasing prices. I understand inflation and transport costs increase - I can handle increase in price of that range. But above that - No, it's greed.
And yes - I'm an AMD fanboy for disclosure. That doesn't mean I won't buy Intel or NVIDIA. All it means is that if I have 2 equal (or almost equal, since literal equality is improbable) products - one from AMD and one from other vendor - I will choose AMD. But if performance or price or power use is worse on AMD product, I will buy Intel or NVIDIA. I'm my wallet fanboy 😉
I lived through the P4 and their even worse bastard children, the first Celerons. Over 30 years or so, intel has inconvenienced me plenty. I have also watched every generation of DDR fail to surpass its predecessor for 12-18 months after launch. I am just reading all these comments, laughing at all you DDR5 suckers out there. I used DDR until DDR3 came out and then I switched to DDR2. When DDR4 came out, I switched to DDR3. I did buck the trend with DDR4, adopting it in Dec 2020. And i probably won't wait for DDR6 but I will wait at least two years before building a PC that uses DDR5.
I've had an i5 12600K on an MSI Z690 Tomahawk (DDR4) for a few months now. I have 2 PC's and this is a pure gaming machine. When I bought the 12th gen CPU and related components, 30 series GPU's were out of reach so I stuck with my GTX 1080. The only issue I had is that I could not get any output from the GPU unless I changed the PCIe slot to Gen 2 in the BIOS - even on the latest BIOS from MSI. When I finally was able to buy a 3080 at a decent price ($1399 AUD) I installed it, changed the PCIe back to auto and have had zero issues with the PC at all. I'm also running Windows 11 Pro. So, I am very happy with 12th Gen Intel.
I never had any issues with my upgrade to 12th gen, my 32gb adata 5800mhz ram worked first time, xmp enabled also worked straight away. No random crashes, haven't felt the need to overclock. Cpu temps have started to creep up. But vast improvement
Since Jay asked about 12th gen in general, one of the PC i'm using is an 12700k and it has worked flawlessly for close to 2 months now. However 12th gen is where the similarities end between my PC and what Jay has: i still use Windows 10 and i still use DDR4, my mobo is a Gigabyte z690.
MSI have been killing it with motherboards recently. The Unify boards are very solid with great memory overclocking.
yea i got the z690 unify x, literally no issues with stability running ddr5 6000
This has been my experience as well.
Running an Msi Z690 WiFi force with a 12900K. No issues at all.
You've also switched to editing the audio in your videos, as well, which I thank your very big voice so much for.
I run a 12900k on a strix z690 with 2x 16g vengeance ddr5 5600and strix 3080ti and have not experienced any issues as of yet... however my computer is stationary and never unplugged. I may have to test that now after watching this. thanks for the great vid
I got the 12600K after release along with Windows 11 and haven't had any issues with those but....
The Z690 motherboard issues were a disaster. I got the Gigabyte Z690i DDR4 and had to RMA it THREE times for QC issues.
First time it was DOA; second time was a dead m.2 slot, third time it was the PCIe slot intermittently recognizing my GPU.
I did not have a working system for like 4+ months. I finally went Asrock and has been solid since.
on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand.
(DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
I am sweating profoundly since i have bought z690 gigabyte gaming X
We dont have garantee here so if board is faulty, i cant change it
@@waifuhunter9709 I get you. I just made my purchased, but I stuck with DDR4. Now, I’m wondering if I should’ve stick with DDR5, but I want 4 ram not 2. Thats the issue supposedly I am hearing. Now I want to do a return and just stick with DDR5. Ughhh
@@Taz8r mITX boards typically only have two DIMM slots and the Gigabyte Z690i only has two.
Great video Jayz. I have a 12 Gen Intel system (i712700K) and as most users who like updated hardware and software, I put up with some of the headaches that arise. I’m in the process of getting myself up to speed in the video editing arena and am currently working with Davinici Resolve Studio. While I like games, I don’t have much time for them considering my full time job in management, the occasional round of golf, and my faith based responsibilities (oh, did I forget to mention my Mrs. :-) . Back to the point at hand…I wanted a system (of reasonable cost) to get me through the new hobby of mine (videos, edit, etc). My other system (which I’ve repurposed most of the hardware and incorporated into the new) was /is based on the Intel 9900KF, 32G DDR4 ram, multiple 1TB NVME /PCIE drives and NVIDIA 2070Super. The issues initial installation of Windows 11 aggravated me so much that I almost went back to a clean install of windows 10;but, if you have great hardware, its a crime not to use the proper software that takes advantage and is designed for your investment. Thanx for the great posts and videos (wide range of tech topics…love it).
I finally picked up my last piece of hardware for my new 12th gen ddr5 build (first computer build ever so I'm crossing my fingers I don't mess anything up). Big improvement from my current 2nd gen ddr3 PC. From reading the comments, it seems that the instability comes mainly from the DDR5 memory. I hope I don't have such issues, I'm terrified of having a boot problem and needing to troubleshoot it.
Anyway, I've been watching a bunch of your videos lately, and I appreciate how clear and easy to understand you make everything. It gave me confidence to try my hand at pc building. I'm quite anxious about it to be honest. I'll be posting an update on how it goes!
How did you get on ? I’m just about to finish my first build also , aorus master mb ddr5 ram 12600KF hard tube liquid cooled .. just about to bend my last tube and fill the lines … I’m paranoid now
@@NRLFREAKS Everything is running smoothly since the first boot! granted, I'm running an air cooling tower, so no water cooling involved. But luckily everything worked and I had no issues whatsoever. My only concern is that I may have put a little too much thermal paste, but I'm too scared to take it apart and look at the footprint tbh. CPU temps are a little higher than I would have hoped for, but still well under the safe limit, hitting 4.98Ghz consistently without any throttling (12700K).
Still, I'm putting off certain things that could easily bring problems: Mb bios update, and setting up the XMP to take advantage of the 5.2Mhz memory. I might never do it at all, as honestly I don't think I will ever need it.
So far I have to say my experience has been awesome. But to be honest I upgraded from an i7- 4790K Devil's canyon, which I would still keep using if the motherboard had not died. When making the purchase at micro center I was almost talked into going AMD (they pushed hard). But I don't regret my purchase. So far after 2 months I have not had one crash. The only issue I had was an annoying blinking when switching between monitors which was instantly fixed when I updated the my drivers. I was told that the initial RAM I wanted would not work and I had to have my Ram changed several times before we found one that worked with my board.
Prob as expected making such a drastic upgrade for me made a world of difference. But I am happy with my experience. I am even using a fan heatsink as I did not want to deal with having to replace an AIO in the future. I've have still only had my system for 2 months so we will see if the great vibes continue but here is breakdown of what I'm using:
Corsair 32GB 2x16 DDR5 5600
Gigabyte z690 Aorus Ultra AtX MB
Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 Cooler
Case: Lian I LanCool II Mesh
Maingear T2 1200Watt powersupplyIntel I9 12900K
Time to get a new Mobo for my 4790K maybe turn into a HTPC.
I have had my 12700K for 5 months now and it has been great. I am using a DDR4 platform with XMP enabled with no issues. I have had only 1 app that had an issue with the E-Cores. Knockout City would have massive stuttering issues and be unplayable until I disabled the E-Cores in my BIOS. I also have had issues with Lock-Ups however my monitors cut to white, green, or black, with the 0x116 code. Its almost like the GPU stops responding because sounds are still being played and I can still communicate with people via discord before the system resets. Which leads me to think its not an issue with the CPU. I have used both Windows 10 and 11 on this machine (Just upgraded to Windows 11 a couple days ago) and so far no issues. I will see if I get the same 0x116 codes on Windows 11.
UPDATE: My PC just crashed with the same 0x116 Code, so I can confirm it still happens on windows 11
System Specs:
CPU: i7 12700K
GPU: GTX 1070Ti
RAM: 64GB DDR4 @3600MHz
MOBO: MSI Z690 Gaming Edge Wi-Fi
Boot Drive: Samsung 850 Evo SSD
Dod you get the same code
@@Darryldlowe yes I will get the same crashes on windows 11 unfortunately
hey jay, I just want to start off by saving thank you for all the work you guys do and how much you guys help us as a community! Now I been having the same issues as you or at least most of them and I have watched a lot of your videos and they have helped me a bunch but my most frequent issue has been the blue screen with the (stop code: CLOCK-WATCHDOG-TIMEOUT) but I was able to fix my issue or at least for now and it was only because of one of your videos and it ended up being my overclock. but sometimes i also feel like my computer tends to get a bit hot which I don't think should be happening with the number of fans I have. also, I been hearing it could be the application ARMOURY CRATE that normally comes with the motherboard by any chance do you think it could be that?
My specs:
cpu- Intel core i9 12900kf
Gpu- NVIDIA GeForce rtx 3090
MB- ROG STRIX Z690A-A gaming wifi D4
Ram- Corsair 64GB 3600 Mhz
Storage- Samsung SSD 980 1TB
power supply- Corsair RM850
Liquid cooler- NZXT Kraken Z73 RGB 360mm
fans- 10 lian li fans
Hilarious timing. I'm watching this video right now while waiting for my memory test to complete on my DDR5 memory. I have spent months trying to figure out how to get this platform stable, and it's still on-going. I've been chasing what I thought was instability on my CPU, but I'm now starting to wonder if it's RAM related. Never had to put this much work into stability testing as I have on this platform. It's fast, but my God. I haven't had much issues with the 12900k in games and work, with the exception of Star Citizen. That game absolutely will not run with the E cores enabled. You HAVE to disable them (and parking the cores doesn't work either), which is extra annoying.
are you on windows 11?
@@skyline2203 Yes I am
@@BoxximusPrime My 12900k runs star citizen just fine
I’m on W11 with my 12700k and DDR4 ram and Star Citizen runs fine for me, so maybe it’s something to do with the motherboard and Ram?
@@thegamerboy1000 I actually came up with a new workaround today. Turning off C-States and Intel Speed Step/Shift. That seems to have done the trick, for some reason.
Jay, I love using Windows 11. I have been using windows 11 on my desktop and laptop since October. I recently did a build with a gigabyte Z690 Aorus Extreme with a 12700K at 5.001 GHz on all cores and Corsair DDR5 at 5200 MHz. The owner of that build absolutely loves it for gaming. He is also running Windows 11
I've been on a 12900K since release on an Asus ROG Strix Z690 Gaming A DDR 4 board with a 3080 and have had 0 issues Jay, slight overclock to 5ghz all core on the CPU and 2 x 16gb Sticks of Crucial ballistix DDR 4 CL14 3600 running at 3800 on Windows 11, It's been rock solid since day 1.
I’d check the power at your receptacles in both rooms. You can also check for power consistency to see how steady the rec stays at the standard 120v. If it’s bouncing around a lot , that could be an issue. Also there could be voltage drop depending how far you are away from the panel. You could try a upc apc battery backup sine wave and that will provide a clean and consistent power to your pc. Some other simple fixes would be to unplug everything else from the problem circuit and see it the issue still happens. I guess if your really desperate you could change out the rec and circuit breaker with new ones.or it’s just a Lemmon motherboard.
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I’ve been using 12900k since it’s release and have not experienced 1 issues…. Lol wth 😂
Good response. Dirty power could mess things up. An AC unit that drops voltage on the circuit when it starts can mess things up as well as something that causes spikes or other problems. I thought modern PSUs would handle that, but who knows. I had a board that refused to boot if it was humid and the board was cold (not running for a while). I had to run a hair dryer on it to dry it out and get it to boot. Worked great in the winter though. :) Store wouldn't believe me when I tried to explain that permeable components were causing the problem. Honestly suspect Jay has a defective component somewhere. I mean in his computer. :)
@@joegaston7148 I so proud of you
I've been on 12900k and DDR5 for about 2 months now and yes, I've had complete system lockups. No bluescreens but two occasions where I totally froze up and had to hard reset. I am using all gigabyte parts, though, and a 3080ti xtreme.
Make sure your power supply is 1200 watts or higher
Jay, great video as always, I learn heaps from this channel so thanks! I built a new system as I'm into a little gaming and some video editing work.... It was years since I ever built a system so I may not have it all correct and in fact the only thing I feel I need at the moment is a better GPU BUT what I do have and run is great, no problems to speak of apart from Steam not supporting Win 11 when it comes to VR Halflife which is a pity as the game is fantastic when playing in Win 10 OS. Anyway my specs are as follows:
Asus Rog Z690 MB 12th Gen
Intel i9-12900 CPU 3.2 Ghz - 5.2 Ghz
980 Pro 2TB M.2 SSD x 2
Corsair Vengeance DDR5 RAM 32GB @ 5600Mhz
Corsair RMX Series 850 Watt Plus Gold PSU
Kraken Z53 Liquid Cooler
Win 11 Pro - Corsair 7000D White AirFlow ATX Full Tower Gaming Case
Oh and I have to admit I think I really need a bigger water cooler.
I’ve also had weird issues with 12th gen (12900k). Sometimes when I am watching any type of video on the rig, it starts buffering as if there is no wifi and then completely freezes no keyboard input or mouse input everything freezes. Used to happen much more frequently although still occurs here and there
I would like to see more of this,cause persons just build a pc show it works n when you do build the same build you run into alot of software problems.
Just finished my 12900k build. First thing I did was undervolt. It's way too power hungry for my liking. Was able to go -0.075 vcore offset and 190watt with no loss in Cinebench. I feel they really are inefficient to push performance, beyond what we've ever seen in the past.
Why on earth would you buy a whole 12900k only to undervolt it?
Let me guess, you also bought a whole RTX 3090 and you chose to underclock it because you don't like how hot it gets when gaming?
Perhaps you also own a BMW M5 Competition, but chose to detune the engine because you don't like how much fuel it consumes.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior He explained. So you get a cooler, more stable, less power-hungry system with virtually no loss in performance. It's not that complex, dude.
@@Montrovantis He didn't explain any of that lol, didn't say there were stability issues before, didn't say the performance was the same, he just said it's too power hungry.
it’s such a beast, it just gets pretty hot while gaming. i pretty much can’t play new world without getting to 75-80c so i just don’t even bother. to be fair, it seems more like it’s new world’s fault, but it’s proof that if this cpu gets a heavy load it will be cooking
I recently swapped from a 6700k to a 12700k. I totally agree on the "snapiness" and the performance. No game rn comes even close to stressing my system. However, I also experience and experienced a lot of instabilities with the system. Even at stock settings prime95 small ffts (with AVX) crash my system constantly. It just instantly bluescreens. I am running DDR4 4000 mhz memory and I am aleady considering swapping to a different platform. Just today I noticed Apex Legends e.g. is crashing with XMP enabled constantly which is quite a bummer. Also I kinda lost in the cpu lottery with a SP of 73 or smth. In addition to the IHS bending i have troubles keeping my 12700k cool at stock. ( I am using a kraken X73 Aio). Any advices on how to fix the temps?
I was having similar stability issues where games would lock up, although, I didn't require a power cycle to recover. I disabled all overclocking on the CPU, didn't really need it anyway. But I believe my issues were solved when I switched from XMP II to XMP I. The system has been very stable since I did that.
12700k
ASUS Maximus Formula
Trident Z 32GB 6000 MHz
3080 FTW3 Ultra
Windows 11
You might even be able to drop the CPU volts & clock down a bit and still not notice much difference. Except for the fan noises.
I've had a lot of stability issues with my 12900K on a ROG Strix Z690-G ... Listening to this is me hearing Jay go through EVERYTHING that I've been doing for the last couple months. I've found things a lot better for the last few weeks, but somehow entirely lost the option to enable XMP for my DDR5 6000 memory in the BIOS. It just isn't there anymore.
I haven't been working to hard on solving that right now though, because at last my system is running stable now.
I have the same board can you tell me what’s your Boot Time is? My PC takes at least 40 seconds to boot completely from Power Button to Windows Login screen!
@@silentnode946 do you face any Long Post/Boot Time issues?
@@Haris-gt3lz Yeah, mine is taking about 30 seconds from power button to windows login.
Sounds like the mobo , I've had mine since release ddr5 12900k and I'm on an aorus pro mobo . Absolutely no issues for me gaming or workload.
on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand.
(DDR5).
@@Taz8r 2 sticks for me
@@Taz8r Jay said he's using two 32gb to make 64gb ddr5 ram
@@jmancd DDR4 should be fine. Definitely, if you bought during the time of release then I understand many issues and problems, But about if revisions now. I mean if you bought now or about a month ago.
So I was a very early adopter and started my build early this year as soon as I could get my hands on all the parts. I went with the 12th gen i9 with 64 gb GSkillz 6000 DDR5 (4 sticks of 16) an Asus ProArt Z690 (took the longest to get even though I had a lot of the parts by the end of last year and I will explain the need for this board in a bit) went with 4 gen4 Samsung 2tb 980 pros and a water cooled 3080 with an Asus ROG Ryujin II 360 on the CPU for cooling, all the rest of the case fans are Noctua and the Phanteks 1200 w dual system power supply (because I have a mini-itx running a AMD 5600G on the other side of the of the Metallicgear NEO cube as a daily driver). The AMD system is running on the Asus x570-I and runs flawlessly. The i9 on the other hand runs great now, although the occasional blue screen happens after sitting idle for more than a day with Ableton live open on it. I had a ton of trouble getting the bios to recognize the ram speeds before a few bios revisions, but now that is working fine. Never had any lockup issues though, even in the early days of use. The overclocking works great and is a speed demon running all my audio production software and plugins without so much as a hiccup. Can't say the same for my old 32 core threadripper, that speed and workload wise, can't hold a candle to the 12th gen. At least for my use case. I am using the system for audio production and have a ton of audio tracks and effects running live all the time, hence the need for the ProArt with built in thunderbolt for my UAD effects box and Presonus thunderbolt audio card. So far other than the occasional idle blue screen problem (haven't really looked into it because it hasn't affected my workflow) the system has run flawlessly. No complaints here, and that is hard for me to say with new tech working for me so early in the cycle, especially for my audio production use case. Just my 2 cent 😁
Jay. U r the man dude. I’m doing a i9 12900kf, z690 formula liquid cool cpu with 32 gb 5400 ddr5. Hoping I don’t run into any of these problems man.
I think DDR5 is the issue honestly. It is just always seeming like ram issues
yup seems like a ram issue but could also be mem controller
@@elvewizzy temps are easy enough to manage if you set a fan on them.
The issues with ddr5 I reckon are first gen tech issues, they'll improve, both the trace routes in subsequent designs, and firmware updates.
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Do you think Jay bend his 12900K?
Look it up 12900K's are bending in sockets.
I agree, i think this ties into the other issue where 12th gen couldnt run 4 dimms of high speed ram. Im guessing 2 dimms just lower the instability (as oppose to removing it all together). Has to be related to the IMC still in its first iteration for ddr5, i think ddr5 is much further ahead than the current gen CPUs controller. Similar to when 1st gen i7 ddr3 would cap out at 2000mhz, when haswell took it all the way to 3000mhz due to IMC improvements.
I’ve been running a 12900k with a 3090 for almost 2 months. So far my biggest issues with it is heat and ram speeds. It’s been great especially since I’m like you Jay I came from a 9980xe to this and it blows it away. Rendering out my first videos after switching to it made me laugh hysterically. So much faster even though I lost 2 real cores. Also gen 5 NVME storage is NUTS.
Windows 11 has been good so far as well. All of my programs work just fine and WTF the windows search actually works now. I’ve noticed that a lot of the programs that I used, run on the CPU harder which could be why it’s so much faster. Also Wi-Fi 6 is great with the new motherboards especially when uploading files.
I’ve had one issue where a ram speed setting would work great for about a week and then it would just boot loop. Then I would lower the ram speed down and it would work for a week and it would boot loop and reset again. I’m running the ram way slower than XMP but it’s still way faster than my older PC.
Setup
CPU: I9 12900kF
Cooler: NZXT Z73 AIO with free room heater ;)
Ram: 64GB DDR5 ram 6000 speeds ( I used two kits of 32 GB 6000. Runs at 4700 tho)
Motherboard: MSI z690 MEG ACE
Graphics Card: EVGA 3090 FTW 3
Power Supply: EVGA Supernova 1600w 80 plus platinum.
Case: Lain Li o11 Dynamic XL
Do you have the latest bios update of your mobo?
I have a 12700k, ASUS Prime Z690 -A (latest bios as of 5/2/22), and Corsair 2x16GB 5600 CAS36 DDR5 RAM. It runs at 5600 stable. Just some more data.
I'm only on 32gb of 5600 ram (two 16gb sticks) always get 5600 speeds. Must still be firmware issues with 64gb of ram.
@@TL-in1lm Jay did a video on my issue before. I'm using two different kits of 32GB 6000 ram. For some reason the two separate kits are the issue.
But I wanted to make sure I had 16gb in each ram slot. When I was on X299 it ran faster the more GBs you had in each slot versus the overall amount.
If you don't need 64GB, run 2 x 16 at XMP. I'm rock solid @ 6400CL32 with my kit but forget 4 sticks for now. Maybe a BIOS update will fix that eventually. Latest bios really helped making everything solid but I hope we can run 4 sticks at xmp soon.
Just built 12900 on an MSI MPG Force WiFi with DDR5 32Gb Fury Beast 4800 mhz. I'm only gaming with MSFS2020 and Xplane. My first and only build using Noctua H-D15 and MSI 4070 TI. Love it so far. I originally was going to use ASUS MOBO but chose not to when Steve from GN said they had issues using them.
It's still early in the build yet!
Love your channel 😊
Dude the first part of this video with your head freaked me tf out I thought something was wrong with my eyes haha
Had a similar issue with my 12900k and 3090 system on ddr4 platform. I dropped 200mhz off the ram and it runs smooth now. Specs of my Build are in my uploaded Videos description.
Exactly same experience, well a 12700k and a 3090, running four sticks DDR¤ for 64GB RAM at 3600mhz, after a march bios update it posts on XMP, but was unstable, frequent crashing to desktop mostly.
After dropping 200mhz to 3400mhz, it's been rock solid and honestly seems more responsive and boots faster.
Faster isn't always faster if it isn't stable, I guess.
12900k 3090 ddr5 6000 cl32. So far perfectly stable 1.5 months oh and I have the cpu on AI overclock. It typically sits between 5.5 and never below 5.3
I bought DDR4 4800Mhz TeamForce Ram and it worked at first then it started acting weird by getting BSOD and rebooting it would work but then started doing it again. Returned it and got another pair and got no post. THen decided to go with 4000MHZ Tridentz royals and it did work but would freeze in Destiny 2 randomly. Lowered the clock to 3600 and I haven't had 1 problem since.
Running the 12900K on a Steel Series Legend Z690 Windows 11. I even overclocked the CPU to 5.1 using Intel Extreme utility and still solid. I don't know, 12th gen doesn't play nice with higher speed DDR4 Ram sticks
Its your psu i run everything maxed out upgrade the psu 1200 watts or 1600 corsair
@@fortnite360HZ Wish you were right, i overclocked my cpu and gpu after the 200mhz drop pulling more power and still hasnt done what it did. I think its a Task scheduler/DDR4 on 12gen issue
Just built a new pc with a 5800x3D, end of the gen so no more upgrading, but tbh I’ll enjoy all the stability and I know people still playing their games on gtx 970’s, and I only play multiplayer fps, which those come out once in like 5-10 years at this point. So I think having stable gen with what imo is currently the best cpu available will be absolutely fine.
What did you have before and what are the temps and specs of you knew rig?
I honestly believe it's the board Jay.
MSI boards are the only ones I've heard of not having problems. I'd also be interested to know what your voltages and core frequencies are looking like.
I've had extremely great performance running my 12900k, on my MSI Edge ddr4 board. I've pushed everything to extremes to learn where the limits are and then throttled back for stability. The two things that made a huge difference on temps for me was the load line calibration mode, kingpin thermal paste, and the rock it cool liquid metal delid.
Hi Jay, just finished setting up 12th gen. 12700K + Asus TUF Gaming Plus Wifi D4.. So far no blue-screens, no issue with system hanging.. XMP 1 profile set in and never had an issue. ☺️🤞🏻
Definitely seeing one similarity where I'm playing a game for a while and it'll lock up entirely requiring a power cycle to come back to windows. I've found it being better after the last Bios update and doing a clean install of Windows 11. Otherwise no issues thus far, thankfully.
Edit: I should say that the lock-up happens very rarely. Maybe once every few days while playing Satisfactory.
windows 11 works fine after I ran ddu and reinstalled nvidia drivers and it works fine now yay it fixed the problems that came up after I upgraded from a GTX 1080 to a RTX 3070
once every few days doesnt seem to be "very rare"
The only time I've had the same reliability issues that you're reporting was when my mainboard had defective RAM slots (most likely due to mechanical stress). Have you tried if using different DIMMs solves it for you?
As a software developer, I'm happy with my 12900K system. Lots of performance when I'm compiling, but dead silent when I'm not. The latter is what I do most of time - read, think and write code. During that time the CPU sits at < 10W. My fans are all set to turn off at low temps, so I have a dead silent, no moving parts system most of the day. When running under full load, the NH-D15 does the trick, < 90C, still comparably quiet. No overclocking, but undervolting.
90c is a bit on the higher side if i would have a top of the line cpu, each to their own i guess
@@eustahijelifetips I could turn up the fans to get it lower, but I want my computer to be silent.
@@stefanwerner5799 compromises, they always get ya, i am in no interest in buying a pc soon, my theory is if i keep stuff below 70c it should last longer? Atleast the fans will be the first to fail, and tbh its kinda loud during work but most of the time its okay, and half of the time i use headphones, so i cant hear that
@@eustahijelifetips Laptop CPUs run at 90C+ all the time, and I have several laptops that lastet 10+ years. This is what those parts were designed for. I've never seen a CPU die due to thermal stress (or other reasons, TBH), they always ran until they became outdated.
@@stefanwerner5799 now, i dont have a laptop but running cooler is always a plus
i will get the i9 12900k tommorow and my motherboard MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 next day..i will inform you how it went ..keep the good work
I haven’t had any problems yet with 12th gen. It’s really fast and snappy as you describe. I’ve also overclocked it to 5.2 pcore 4.0 ecore, but I also feel it’s not worth. I am rocking DDR4 also. And for gaming and streaming it’s feels amazing. Really happy at the moment with it’s performance.
Is it worth it for someone who is getting their first gaming desktop? Or should I opt to AMDz where I can slowly upgrade the CPU to my liking?
Love my 12900k after around a month of use. Haven't experienced any issues with DDR5 and ASUS motherboard. It definitely runs warm and I undervolted with offset of -.095. It still benches ~27k in Cinebench while being 10-15 degrees cooler.
Bro how did you manage to get it to -.095? I can't use chrome on -.05, blue screen :/
@@didilyn8728 Yeah, I've had similar problems under volting. I've had more success under-watting. Running at 210 watts with low 90 degree temps
This has made me realize how stable my 3600 is despite overclocking it the edge; for those curious it's not a good sample being earlier silicon, I'm running 1.3375V and 4.15GHz under a 280MM AIO.
My guy its prolly stable because your using a fricking 280mm aio for a 3600
Hope it isn't the x seeing a trend on fix or flop of that cpu failing lately
Wow.... my old 3600 was rock-solid (on water) @ 4.4 all-core and 1.315v.... obviously YMMV with OC's!
3600 is solid. Mine is 4.3GHz @ 1.257V for 2 years straight. 240mm Liquid Freezer II at 70% speed never breaks 65*c due to undervolt.
@@Jemuzu80 The 3600x and the 3600 are the exact same chip, the x is just a better binned version.
It alos really depends on the Motherboard you're using. I've had massive issues with an asus h670 board and was sooo annoyed. Changed the MB on a whim, all good now.
Honestly, I have had zero...ZERO problems with my build. ROG Strix Z690-E with an Intel 12th Gen Core i9-12900KF, Crucial 6000MT/s DDR5 32Gb Ram(2 x 16 Gb Sticks), Nvidia RTX 3060 4Gb on Windows 11. The only thing I am running into is that my GPU is running at max capacity compared to the CPU. It is being bottlenecked like no other. This 12th gen is honestly a beast. Turbo Overclockable, Unlimited possible turbo bins, able to max out turbo boost, speed shift, the whole 9 yards. If I could afford a top-of-the-line GPU, I would be able to test its capabilities (alongside a non-air cooled CPU fan). Money has been a little tight for me so I haven't been able to dump money into my build. But I have had this build for quite some time and haven't ran into a problem yet. I have also unplugged my PC multiple times due to getting another friends PC going (OLDer build) and no problems.
These type of problems sound like bad power delivery to the CPU. Which could sometimes be fixed with a BIOS update or be caused by a bad motherboard.
But don't forget the PSU in this matter. I didn't hear Jay say he tried a different PSU, which is definitely worth trying. Especially because he mainly had the problem in one location but not the other.
Do you think Jay bend his 12900K?
Look it up 12900K's are bending in sockets.
It's definitely power related. If the main issues occur in a different room, nothing changed about the system so obviously the system is fine. But Jay be Jay'n and overlooking the simplest explanation to make everything seem complicated.
Yep. PSU should be the first thing to swap and see if that resolved it
agree
I have literally seen this behavior before, like a decade ago, and it was the PSU in that case. Any mains power loss caused it to totally flake out for a while. Leave it plugged in for a couple of minutes and it'd just fix itself on the next power-up attempt. Heck, my experience of decades has taught me any weird behavior, check the PSU first first first. So I'm really baffled why Jay seems to think the RAM or the CPU is the culprit? I'd love to see Jay actually diagnose this build by trying different parts. Even the same parts in a case with actually proper airflow. But if that were my PC, I would definitely be pulling out a good ATX PSU as a quick sanity check, very first thing.
The insane hardware requirements that Windows 11 has is one of the main reasons why I don't like it. That and the fact that you're REQUIRED to use a Microsoft account. Had Microsoft not done these things, I'd be more open to using it
You don't need an account with the "windows for workstations" edition (plus it comes with a lot of the consumer guff off by default); the only hardware requirement over w10 is TPM module on your mobo - pretty much any modern motherboard will have it - or it costs ten bucks - if you need a discrete module. Win 11 has some very very nice virtualisation features, I switched early on for WSL2, would not go back to 10. Being able to natively run the linux kernel means my need to boot into a virtual machine to test builds has dropped by 90%. For day to day stuff, not sure if it makes any difference tbh; but for dev and org deployment stuff, win 11 has been very nice.
Im running win 11 with 3900x and a rtx 2080 it and runs great
Everyone says this with every release of windows. In my opinion it would be akin to saying, man, that new Rockstar game has some insane hardware requirements. With progression of software comes stronger requirements. I don't like that I had to sign in though. Nor that windows is a paid product that forces me to have bloat on it. But in general Windows 11 was easy to clean up and I really like the UI and changes they have made sans a few things. I don't like that pinning to the taskbar requires a more option click after a right click. Things like that.
I will not support those bullshit requirements designed for planned obsolescence
@@Grawbad TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot, along with not supporting fairly modern Intel CPUs (that still run perfectly fine) is going too far. This is far too aggressive
I want to request a video(s). I think it'd be great if you made videos about motherboard manufacturers (Gigabyte, Asus, MSI, Dell, ASRock, etc). Just talking about the history of the manufacturer, quirks/trends you've noticed, and what you think about they're products in general.
Love these videos. Thanks dudes.