7 Most Common Forehand Killers
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- I have been teaching a lot on the forehand recently and have found a few problems that I have seen a lot... 7 problems that is... Check out what the issues are and how to fix them!
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0:47 - The Wrist Bend
2:52 - Walking Straight Forward
4:54 - Dead Arm
6:29 - Reaching Back
8:07 - Being Too Upright
9:01 - Ded Leg
10:36 - Pushing - Sport
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I live in East TN where flat ground is in short supply. Would love to see some videos on throwing uphill and downhill, and how to throw from a side hill lie. I really struggle with accuracy and distance control on side hill lies. Love your videos!
Side hill throws video please
Standstill with an understable disc, match the plane of the hill. Throw a slower disc downhill, faster disc uphill.
i Envy! i am in the middle section of TN and have a few bucket courses over yonder!
@@bryansans2564 I love Hobbs Farm. What's your favorite in that area?
@@calebdyer6332 what's the best course in your area?
This is great and really helpful. One minor request for all CZcams tutorials of all kinds: please start with a demo of what a good throw looks like. Hearing you point out problems is great, but starting the video with a few good models really helps
I can definitely tell post-throw whether or not ive pushed or pulled. Its a huge difference in feel and throw smoothness
Excellent tips - you are a natural teacher, great stuff!
OMG, this is the best forehand video I've ever seen. You touched on so many issues and I realized just how many there are now in my form. Thank you so much.
Josh. I watched this video last night. Played this morning and focused on the walk up (turning right foot perpendicular) and the “wall”. Holy crap…..what a huge difference. Thanks for these forehand tips. This video gave instant, actionable tips that made a difference immediately!
I feel like you just gave me a form review. Thanks as always for the great content!
Awesome video - just what i was needing to see. Very helpful, for sure 👍
This video is great! The dead arm tip was huge for me. I focused on using my off arm to help get my shoulders involved in the shot and it worked out. I was able to throw some forearm drives off the tee (something I've never felt comfortable doing). Thank you!
Hey Josh,
This is good stuff. You’ve gone into more detail about what to do than what others normally suggest. This is definitely going to help many people. Good work!
Great work guys. Can’t wait to put these tips into action.
Good stuff! I'm RH for everything but have always thrown LH backhand, and now at 69 my left shoulder hurts so I'm working on the RH sidearm. Great tips.
Thank you! Can’t wait to practice some throws tomorrow. The footwork and the curtain drape is helpful. I’ll have to create a new muscle memory!
This hits hard! Amazing notes!! The wrist angel the elbow clearance thing, the stance!! i cant wait to hit the course, been raining last 2 days! :(
What a kickass video, im always learning new stuff!
Love this content! Keep it coming! 🙏🏻
Very useful advices, thank you!
This is great instruction Josh. Can't wait to practice it.
This is incredible stuff! Thanks for another awesome video!
Thank you very much. I am doing everything you say not to do. I am going to my park tomorrow and practice doing what you said. I will bring a paper with a list of each step. Thanks again.
I subbed, feels like great advice. I took notes and will try these tomorrow.
Never ever have thought about the first one. Thank you
Thanks for the video . I’m working on forehand and I do all these. So going to be spending some time working on your tips. Thanks
Great tips, really like the tips on how you get into an athletic position and making comps to baseball and tennis. Scott Stokeley has a good comparison to baseball, you use a similar arm angle to throwing a baseball just bend at the hips to have your arm and wrist pulling through parallel to the ground.
Great stuff! Thank you, your channel is fantastic.
You nailed all of these Josh! On the money dude! I'd also like to thank your crew as well because they do an excellent job as well! Also can you suggest to me a video to watch because I haven't been playing disc golf for very long but I find myself really needing to go back and learn the backhand slowly step by step! I've had several surgeries over the past few years and after 2 surgeries I've still got torn rotator cuff and labrum issues so im definitely shying away from a 3rd surgery on my right shoulder(my throwing arm of course) and ive had right and left ankle surgery and I've got a partially fused left ankle and very little cartilage left in my right ankle so any sport is ...needless to say kinda tough (sounds like fun huh lol)but I'm a Dad and former military and former Firefighter/EMT as well and I'm trying to be a disc golf player ha, and I'm just a sports lover in general and I NEVER QUIT and never will! I started this sport about 5 to 6 months ago and I've just been teaching myself slowly and asking a few friends as well but definitely need some help because I so love this game, and I'm hooked already regardless of any pain lol! So whatever you can suggest or however you can help would be much appreciated buddy, thanks again for your excellent content!
This was awesome. Loved it.
OK, I watched the first three minutes of this video and immediately realized I had the first problem. I went outside to throw into my net. This tip not only immediately improved my forehand, but also my backhand and put if you believe it. The real issue is wrist role. If your wrist is at a different angle than your forearm, as you move forward you have to roll your wrist in order to release the disc along the path of momentum you have established. This does no necessarily result in a bad throw, but it introduces an unnecessary timing issue. If you are early with the wrist role you turn the disc over. If you are late you slice away to the right (right handers). Keeping the disc on the same line as the forearm results in a more controlled release and I actually felt an increase in power. I was doing the same thing with my put, rolling my wrist at the release point. When I focused on keeping the disc in the same angle as the forearm I felt what I have on every good put I have ever thrown.
Great video, the rest of the issues were not as impactful for me but if you are doing any one of them and you fix it, you will see immediate improvement.
Good stuff
Recognition and props for using penultimate in a sentence. Mad props to you, sir!
What you call click bait was the #1 thing I need to work on. Thank you for doing 7
Best forehand tip video ever.
Point number seven is the most critical for me. I get what you are saying. Being a somewhat beefy guy, I am always too stiff, always trying to overpower the disc, and going nowhere. The trick for me is being loose in arm and body, but maintaining a firm grip that gets the flick, but doesn't have the disc slipping out of my hand early.
Ok, I've seen you in the Creator's cup, and a couple of videos, but tonight I watched you with Simon, and decided to check you out and visit your site. Wow! I should have been watching you for the past 2 months since I started playing! This may be the best instructional video I have watched yet! (And I've maybe seen 40-50 from an assortment of pros! You have a gift, and I very much appreciate the fact that you are willing to share it with the world! I just subscribed, and will be watching all the rest of your videos, and am sure it will help my game immensely! Blessings Josh!
This is one of those OT disc golf videos where i had at least 4 lightbulb moments. Excited to get into a field
I needed this. I honestly thought other videos were teaching a straight walk up and that's how I've been trying to throw. It's 1:30 AM, but I can't wait for daylight to get out and give this a try. Just walking through it in my living room, I know it's a game changer for me already.
I've been practicing this a couple of days, and today decided to try a forehand where I never would before because my forehand wasn't long enough, even though the throw called for a forehand. Hole was about 325. I threw a Falcon on a beautiful S curve and landed inside of Circle 2. I was amazed and impressed. I finally have a forehand.
Great video fellas!
Ohh I like the soccer goal post drill. Step forward and leave your arm still. Great stuff.
Ok Overthrow, here is the deal. I have been playing disc golf for 27 years. I have always been a short backhand thrower, only playing 5-10 times per year with the same group of friends. It wasn't until I started paying more attention to the scene, pro tournaments, local clubs, etc during the last two years that I realized that throwing long is somewhat standard with experienced players. I spent the last year grinding away determined to get better with absolutely zero progress. No improved distance and no improved accuracy. I played with two people, including a new player, that threw forehand last week. I was amazed at how this new player just slung it out there. So today I decided that I am now a forehand player. Was planning to go to a course this afternoon, so watched this video first. Felt ok the first back 9 on the shorter holes, actually overthrew some. But by the 16th as I really had to air it out, it all seemed to come together, culminating in two (downhill) 380ft throws that were nothing like I had done before. My last 5 drives were over 300ft and in 27 years I had thrown a backhand over 300ft 0 times. I am a little too scattered of a person to stick too a schedule and practice the same thing over and over. This video with just quick, important tips was brief enough to make sense to me. I still am pinching myself and feel I need to get back out there, but I definitely had enough great throws that I know they are in me. Thanks for the clear, concise, and reasoned coaching tips. Much appreciated.
That’s awesome! I hope you can keep it up!
I throw 1-fingered (index) forehand about 350'. The main difference between 2 and 1 fingered is the extra torque you can get with the wrist. The release is higher as well (just below the shoulder or shoulder height), which helps for throwing uphill or over trees. 1 fingered also allows you to anny by pulling your arm and shoulder across your body at the end of the throw. I am able to anny with the most stable plastic (elite Z Force with 0 turn). Front- to -target is a must for the 1 fingered flick.
I started playing about a year ago, and I have always struggled a bit with backhand and forehand was a complete nogo, it just didn't work at all. Then I came across the backhand vid and this one a week ago. Holy moly, you explained literally everything that I was doing wrong and is such a good way too. Then how to fix it... and it works. Until muscle memory kicks in and it goes wrong, I think back to what you say and it's easy to understand. Distance and accuracy has both increased a lot. Thank you!
Might add I have been out on a field for 8-10 hour passes each day, and it's much easier getting consistency in the throws thanks to how you break it down.
Congratulations! Your hard work has paid off
Great concise clinic! The timing of opening the shoulders before snapping the wrist is what I think naturally fixes the pushing you're referring to.
Tip #8: practice with slower, understable discs until you get a feel how a proper hyzer flip forehand feels. Wrenching over on firebirds and fast discs is a legitimate golf play when the shot shape calls for it, but it won't open up nearly as many shot shapes as being able to forehand every disc in your bag.
Good stuff!
I think we can also encourage people to go slow, throw easy and work on form, from videos like this, first. You can overdo forehands (like thumbers, tomahawks, etc) and poor form can lead to some nasty injuries! Even good form can lead to bad overuse injuries!
Good work
No7.
I Think what I learned it from is from letting the movement start in the center… (from when the hip rotates. So that the hip is the domino that moves the upper body, then the shoulder, arm, forearm,wrist, hand, finger, tips, release… dominos… that the image that worked for me…
I always think of tee-ball analogy. Leave it on the tee as you reach/stretch through the disc. Time it with patience and snap her through the core of your torso.
For number 7, another option would be doing some long-toss drills from baseball. They just don’t work unless you’re keeping your arm loose. Teaches you what it’s supposed to feel like with a disc.
I need to work on #6. I transfer my weight to the front foot, but could probably get a bit more power by bringing that trailing leg all the way through. I throw around 325 - 350. I’ve gotten near 400 a few times. I would love to be able to do it regularly.
Nothing helps you stay loose like ole #7, Jack Daniels. Now we've got a drill.
The onewheel is a nice touch
4:40 I like the back step , step back foot behind the body , it’s a baseball technique too
Hi Josh. On point number 4 the wall drill it seems alot like the advise on backhand where you leave the disc stationary and walk around it. Great advice sir, well the whole vid was great advice for that matter. Oh BTW when measuring distance to the basket is it from the center pole to where you're at or from the edge of the basket if that makes any sense. Thanks
I’m not sure on the distance thing. I guess it’s to the chains?
My biggest problem FH is pushing. Ended up injuring myself throwing that way. Didn’t want to stop because I was getting about 400’, but had to because the pain kept getting worse. Working on keeping loose and getting whip with the wrist now. Only throw 250’ currently but at least I’m not hurting myself
Love your videos. The point about facing forward-- you are at direct odds with how Scott Stokley( arguably one of the best forehand throwers of all time) teaches forehand. Any thoughts or comments on the discrepancy?
For sure he is one of the best forehand throwers ever. The guy is an absolute beast.
As for the discrepancy there are a few components. First, check out his footwork. He flares his right foot out to the right and his hips turn away from the target. So what he says is different than what he does on that front. Not surprising since he is probably super intuitive on the forehand side. Second, what are other good forehand players doing? Are they walking straight forward or do they flair that foot and turn the hip?
Again, I have massive respect for Scott and what he has accomplished on both the coaching and playing fronts.
He was the best in his day now its a whole new game with eagle, Albert Tammy hitting 450'-500'
This is huge. As a 5.0 tennis player, I've felt my disc golf stroke stray away from what feels right and this will help me realign :)
As a 5.0 tennis player I would imagine your forehand should be huge
@@OverthrowDiscGolf 400 flat / hyzer on golf lines but I used to get it a bit farther when my hips were engaging more. I think I got so used to reaching things on hyzer that I didn't notice starting to sky things out and lose power. I've thrown under stable disks a couple times And it really does go a lot farther. I just usually use my backhand on those holes
What helped me was to focus on reachback with my elbow already infront of my wrist and shoulder and just focus och footwork then when planting driving the elbow forward instead of pushing the disc with my fingers. Its painless, but when having the elbow behind the shoulder and wrist then drive it forward it gives instant pain even when using my lower body. Any thoughts on that?
At a guest house? shoot, I'm still doing that in my own house! LOL Love the term!
This is fantastic. Any tips for people that can't stop turning their wrist over as they follow through?
Try to keep your hand in the same position, no more up or down, throughout the throw
The peace sign two finger side arm grip = everything.
I’d be so lost without Josh man 😢. ❤
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yessss so good
The forehand throw is my furthest throw if I do it right ,which is 3% of the time 😆
Also, the bottom stamp wraith is my choice of disc for the forehand.
Thanks for showing the straight forward is wrong. Sideways feels natural and I played baseball in my youth.
My grip is what has been my biggest problem. Also,I grew up on a lake so I skipped rocks as a kid and to me it's the same concept as long as my angle and wrist and grip are correct.
Great video! So kind of unique question; how much do you think wrist mobility affects forehand snap and overall distance potential? I ask because I am physically unable to bend my wrist back to the near 90 degree angle most people can accomplish. My wrist bends closer to a 40-45 degree. I've worked on every single point I can possibly think of for better forehand distance, and my max consistent distance is maybe 130-150ft. Even then, I feel like I'm having to nearly rip my shoulder off to generate enough power for that distance. I've never felt any significant snap in my wrist. I'd gladly send you a video/pic of what my wrists do if you're interested. Just think it's a unique issue that I've never heard anyone else really voice. Thanks!
Wrist mobility is extremely important. If your wrist was fused for example I would expect it to be a terrible forehand
That makes sense then. Wrists were never fused, but I've never had the full range of motion most people have. Just a strange issue since birth. Thanks for the reply. Guess I'll keep working on those turnover backhands and learning how to throw with my off hand. Haha
Been working on my forehand game, tweaked my shoulder yesterday in a round. Now I see I’m guilty of at least 3 of those issues.
Sorry about that shoulder. That’s never fun
I'm going to start my comment out by justifying my ineptness at the forearm throw; I'm 72 years old. I started playing disc golf with the forearm throw and after a couple of years I became quite adept at it -much better than my backhand throw. Then mysteriously one season it was gone - all gone - my discs just agugered into ground or stuck into the brush. I could not get my winning form back. I followed advice and tips of many CZcams videos to no avail. It feels like my arm just locks up and the harder I try to flick that disc out, the crazierr it flys. Thank you for your tips, they're great, but it still isn't working. Any other ideas what I might be doing so wrong?
thanks broski
Great video. I've got some issues that are causing me a ton of pain. I have a torn ligament, but after watching this, I wonder if I'm exacerbating the problem by "arming" the disc. I'm typically in pain after nine holes, but I'm so addicted that I play every day, even after telling myself that I need to take a couple day break. Does anyone know what I can do to train myself to use my arm less and lag the disc?
Whoa… tips 1 and 2 are things I learned to do watching Scot stokely and wouldn’t have been doing otherwise.
I have a pretty solid forehand, certainly my most controllable shot and can get some pretty good distance. The one thing I notice is when I throw with 90% + power I will get left hip pain (I’m a right handed player). Do you have any idea what might be causing this? I feel like I’m driving a lot of power into it but might not be getting through with it could this be “dead leg”?
Yeah dude. I kept waking straight for the basket on my forehand but my side was sore. But I kept getting really good with it so I just kept doing it, I was getting crush distance with my forehands and thought it was muscles I hadn't used before so I thought it'd go away. But it kept getting worse and worse til I couldn't throw a forehand without it hurting badly. Well, I slow moed myself doing one after a few days off and no pain without a shirt on. I was reeeeealy jamming my ribs over into my kidney because instead of twisting at the hips at I was only twisting my torso and it was kinking me over like a garden hose. Found out I had injured a rib that I had broken when I was a kid. So it's a few weeks off and then a form fix lol. Cause holy crap. If I get used to a new and healthier form I know I can already crush a forehand so there's that.
Came for the tips but ended wondering what camera and camera lens is being used in these videos? Looks fab!
Sony a7iv with 16-35GM lens :) Cheers!
Depending on your thought process when pitching in baseball you bring your glove into your body, or body towards your glove. That pitching motion seems different than clearing the curtain. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, but I always try to think of that when I’m throwing my forehand.
That’s a good cue! Tucking the arm tight is faster for sure.
Thanks OT! The backhand content and mechanic description helped my backhand out a bunch.
Re: No 7. I feel like the (or "A") solution for that is addressed earlier in the list perhaps? Keeping the off hand on the disc to coil the shoulders also helps you cock the wrist; all you have to do is KEEP that cocked position for the rest of the swing right? That should force you to flick instead of push?
It will definitely help but people can still find a way to be stiff.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf lol very true 👍
It seems like "Short-arming" or "Sawing off" is a pretty common mistake I see with forehands. I improved my accuracy and the amount of spin I generated when I focused on extending and finishing with my arm out in front of me. Just curious if you did not include it here because you don't think it's a problem or you just don't think it makes the top 7 list. Thanks for all your work on improving the game of disc golf!
I didn’t put it on just because it doesn’t happen that much in my lessons but it is definitely a good point
Dig the Onewheel🤙🏼
I'm still looking for more foot work for forehand any recommendation guys I do not not wana do the hop thing
On number 7, how similar is “pushing” to what Stokely describes as “the arm moving faster than the hand”?
The point he goes on to emphasize, as I understand it, is that we don’t get forehand power by simply getting the arm to move faster, but by loading everything so that the last motion is the hand snapping through. So, his tip to fix it was simply “the hand needs to move faster than the arm”. That could be something that’s simply promoting the feeling of the snap, rather than whether it’s actually possible to move the hand slower than the arm, but it seems like a helpful tip.
This would be the same concept
I guess I have to give some credit where credit is due. Just watched this video this morning and found it pretty helpful. So, later when I step up to the tee at hole 10 at my local course, I’m thinking, just do what Overthrow said, and I proceed to score my 2nd ever and first from a sidearm ace. I like to think y’all had something to do with that. Thank you.
Would love to take credit but that’s all you brotha
I don’t have a right forehand at all, I can throw a little left hand forehand not good though, the problem may be that I’m left handed but I throw RHBH. Maybe I could learn to throw better LHBH then I wouldn’t need a forehand. What are your thoughts on my mixed up situation?
I’d see which you are more naturally inclined towards
One good thing for #7.... Stretching!! Our muscles are like rubber, the more stretching they get the more elasticity they retain. Or referencing another sport, think about how flexible gymnasts are. Most of what they do is about body rotation (to the extreme sometimes!). They are also some of the most flexible athletes out there.
I think the only issue I have with this is the direction of the back foot. Having it point in a forward direction allows the hips to pivot more. Great tips other than that!
You don’t want it totally forward though because then the hips can’t load back. Doesn’t need to be 90 degrees off but should be turned away a decent bit
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Super informative and good video, but I'm still wondering if you can make a "left arm analyze" over Simon lizotte and Drew Gibson or some other pro?
We have one of those but will probably do another at some point
Coach... I'm lefthanded. How do i fix it?
You mentioned discord. Is it public or patreon only?
Patreon only
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thanks for the reply!
Josh, Where are you located. I think I want to get some lessons. I think that will work better for me.
Lynchburg Virginia
I am in southern california
@@davidturney7092 that’s a bit out of the way for ya
Got to disagree on the walk up. Scott Stokley’s technique teaches a straight walk up and I see more and more pros doing it. You used baseball as an analogy but mostly from a pitching perspective. The crow hop from the outfield into home is a good example of the power generated from a straight walk up. SS teaches your legs facing forward while your upper body coiling makes your abdominals a spring to generate power. I switched up my forehand form to his technique two years ago and I instantly saw more distance and it has only gotten better with practice. Love all your vids, just don’t agree with that assessment and think there’s nothing wrong (and a lot of things right) with a straight walk up when other things in the form are done right.
Respect the way you disagreed.
I would argue that SS actually turns his right foot away from the target as well as his hips during the last stride. In other words, he doesn’t do exactly as he teaches. Which isn’t an issue in and of itself
I practice when my wife is showering.
'What the hell are you doing?'
It's called 'clearing the curtain'.
'Well then clear it and get in fool.'
What if im an absolute specimen and can throw my disc 500 ft and I ace every shot? What do I do then? And advice?
My buddy Saitama would say it’s better not to get to that point. Competition will be super boring for you. If you are already at that point then I would recommend being a part time pro. Travel on the weekends to pick up the extra cash you’re guaranteed to win and consider a more competitive way to make money during the week. Hopefully the DGPT will make courses that offer you a challenge one day and you can find your rival
Just a heads-up, the outro music is really loud compared to the audio in the video
I hope this helps because I’m on the verge of learning to throw LHBH.
Hey. LHBH isn’t all that bad I guess
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Right? Good enough for Eagle.
That first error (the straight forward run up) is an unfortunate Scott Stokely habit.
you mean the 30 year pro? seems like he's doing fine.
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That’s done through our Patreon
For beginners I would say stop running up. Focus on angle control and release point. Sidearm is much less dependant on run up.
Another big one: don't expect to throw stable discs like Firebirds and Destroyers right away. Start with Wraith and Balls. You're gonna strain your body a lot more throwing stable discs and if you don't have good form your going to be in pain.
You're a good teacher. Can you please make a video on how to spin a disc on your finger. The people who can do it don't know how to teach it.
Hahaha. We might have to do that!
forehand is like the only thing i can bat my friends with, i throw better forehand then backhands.
#metoo
So don't push the disc, drag it like a discus or take a resistance band/rope and attach to something solid & stable and pull it for practice.
#7 - fix by leading with the elbow?
That can encourage pulling vs pushing but not a fix all.
My bicep always hurts .. So i know im not doing it right..
For #1, I want you to go watch Innova's instructional video and yell at Nate Sexton for teaching everyone the Super Finger lol
I’m not gonna say a word lol
Looks like a C17 Globemaster.