The Two Types of Forehands
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Today I wanted to give you a little visualization on the two types of forehands (basically) I see in disc golf. Better visualization = better throws ammirite? Annyways, enjoy.
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0:32 - Why do this?
1:45 - Baseball style
2:32 - Tennis style
3:40 - Why your forehands are bad
5:19 - Examples and stuff - Sport
Hey Josh, can you comment on a flat forehand release? Start horizontal and end horizontal follow through?
Sure. These are going to be either minimally low to high or minimally high to low with adjustments being made by the waist bend for the most part. In other words they are either tiny hyzer flips or tiny S curves. Another way of saying this is that if you bend over enough at the waist an anhyzer forehand becomes a flat forehand.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Appreciate your reply! Makes sense. Love your channel, it has helped me improve in so many ways!
@@OverthrowDiscGolf why is it when i stand up on anhyzer forehand the thing doesnt do well basically hitting 150ft but when i crouch it does what i want goes 350ft i feel stronger standing up higher but doesnt workout that way for me in real life any tips?
I really appreciate this explanation. I’m forehand dominant and I know from personal experience that when using proper form, forehand isn’t any more injury-prone than backhand. But I’ve never been able to articulate what motion has the potential to cause pain.
Comming from a tennis background, my forehand was developed wayyyy before my backhand throw. This video was a great watch and a great help to understand what I should be doing.
I’m a predominantly forehand player (background in baseball and football), but I never thought of it this way! This is an AMAZING video!! Thanks for putting this together!
This is groundbreaking. You've explained these forehand tactics way better than most, very easy to understand. Keep up the amazing content! "Dondo Disc Golf"
Always learn something, or think differently (in a good way) when watching you two. Thanks for the Quantent.
I “lost” my forehand for about a week…after seeing this I’m ready to hit the field and practice these two options! I think I was starting and finishing low, the disc kept falling out early or coming out low
Big Pin Hunter Energy over here and that Snappy release is my new notification sound.
Really appreciate the info young legends 💪🏽 I’ve Been throwing discs awkwardly and consistently Inconsistent for decades🕵🏻♂️😅
Excellent definitions / insights! I’ll definitely need to analyse my forehand which I’ve neglected lately as I’ve focussed on developing my backhand. The timing of this video is perfect, thanks!
Hey Josh, watching a lot of your videos, and coming from your more recent uploads, you look great man! Helluva difference from this video to your most recent ones. You must be proud.
Thanks brotha
Stay hydrated, keep slaying! Also, thank you for the many lessons throughout us playing together. You = the best.
I am a complete visual learner and showing us the decision-making process of what to throw when coming up to the tee pad is a revelation for me as a beginner
Awesome stuff. I've been having trouble pronating my wrist on certain throws, which causes my Insanity to flip and die left on me. It's good to see why that's happening, because on my hyzer flips I'm starting low and finishing low. Can't wait to go out and practice that shot again!
Cant wait to get out and practice this now.. thank you
the lower i crouch to the ground as i throw my forehand seems to help with the wobble and distance
I look at the low to high forehand or the hyzer style forehand as a rock skipping forehand due to the motion being very similar
My new favorite channel, thanks gents!
I was just explaining this exact thing to a card mate in league last Sunday. Funny you dropped a video the same week. I'll send him the link.
"Some arbitrary harder number' lol SOO true!
Imo hyzer flips in general generates more lift/requires more nose up to fly properly(tough for downhill shots). On the other hand, hyzer flips usually require a slightly understable disc that will glide further left to right (for righty's) than an over stable disc that just dumps. Love the video! ♥️
I think I saw something about this from a Brian Earhart video. Now, I can throw a stack of discs from over to understable without accidently rolling them. They still don't go far, but it's getting better!
There is a 3rd type of forehand that is true flat release, and it uses the disc stability to do the fade at the end. This style is used in disc golf more for neutral slow discs when the person has to throw forehand due to where they are and something in often in the way of the throw.
There are 2 --3 types of grip, the power 2 finger, power 3 finger, and open 2 finger. I say 2--3 forehand grips because the power 2 and 3 are basically the same thing just adding a finger for stability with smaller hands. There is an older over top the disc thumber style forehand that is not used anymore because this was mainly used with what are now putter molds in the 1980's and works mainly with mostly neutral putter molds but can work with some midrange that are nearly neutral too that have a deep rim, I have tried the forehand thumber and it does work with the slower less OS midrange and most putters.
Great stuff!
Can you guys speak to the "swoopiness" of the forehand? I see a lot of players starting with their forearms flexed up, by the shoulder, and then as they go to throw swooping it down low so the hand releases the disc below the elbow. It seems to add power at the expense of being less accurate and feeling pretty bad on the elbow. Chris Clemons and Calvin Heimburg seem to have a "swoopy" forehand, compared to Kevin Jones, who has a more "body lag," low-swinging forehand.
What do you guys think about this? Loved the video!
The forehand windup is a loop that you level out a bit at the hit. The loop can be a downward loop looking like a swoop before the upswing
Nice video! The explanation on how to finish depending on the style is great. I have a lot of trouble getting the hyzer sidearm to push forward instead of up. Also my lefty backhand is naturally pretty good and way more consistent and comfortable than my righty sidearm. Any advice on which I should focus?
From my advice, who hurt his elbow due to too much FH or wrong technique, idk but I was throwing max effort that day and hurt myself. I would focus on left BH if it's better than your righty FH, safer option than FH anyways.
@@smileyboy2700 Thanks for the insight. The higher risk of injury with the sidearm is a good point that always made me a bit cautious. For scramble shots the lower power sidearm is probably something to have in the bag but for higher power the lefty BH is definitely safer.
Can y’all do a video on backhand upper body weight shift/rotation? As in leaning forward or backward in the shot instead of staying upright and how to fix this issue? Thanks!
ill try that low to high when throwing forehands, i have a natural slight anhyzer forehand and been struggling with throwing hyzers, generally i put way too much hyzer angle when throwing
just realized that Overthrow and Foundation DG are around the same area. Seen this course plenty of times on FDG channel
I would love if you add disc name and statistic in upper corner of video. That would be great for me, because as a beginner i know like 2% of discs that are avaiable haha. Great stuff, as always.
Some great shots in there Josh. Awesome info as well. How do you like the insanity?
Dude. Love the insanity
I use baseball but hurts my elbow when I use Max weight. So I've been working on the hyzer angle but I use alota wrist. Ima try to release up. But I've been bending way over to compensate. I'm just so consistently accurate with baseball 175g destroyers. Roadrunner hyzer could go anywhere, Roller, perfect, or early hyzer entire flight. 350ft
Totally make sense! Great explanation. Some video says when you finish a forehand shot, you should always palm up, but it doesn’t apply to all I believe. As if you anni flex , you are not to have your palm up , is this right?
Correct
Saw you at worlds josh, I told you keep the videos coming and you said for sure, or maybe you’ll just stop..glad to see that was not the case 😉 🙏🏼
Oh dude! You should have told me your user name. I would have for sure remembered it
Can you discuss which of these two forehands might work best when throwing up and down a steep hill? You mentioned it a little bit on the first hole you threw on the course. I’ve found if I’m throwing down a steep hill I want a VERY overstable disc on anyhyzer or close to flat, because the throw picks up speed as it drops down the hill, causing it to act less stable. But I almost never try to throw downhill with a hyzer angle regardless of stability, because it is so hard not to release a hyzer angle flat, up, or with a little nose up angle, especially when throwing down a steep hill. Does this make sense to anyone else?
Not to me. It depends on the hole, the more downhill you are throwing the more time the disc has to fade, so a straighter disc is usually what I go with. I've never experienced any extra acceleration from throwing downhill, the disc is flying not dropping.
what about an understable hyzer flip for distance?
Is there an instruction youtube channel like overthrow for tennis?
Subscribed!
Nice to meet you guys at worlds!
Likewise!
The crouch is essential in the forehand drive, I feel it was glossed over.
It was. But not every video should hit every aspect. Also, there are forehands where the crouch isn’t utilized that much.
This guy is on the money.
At the moment I throw side arm and struggle to throw a higher speed disc than 10, without hurting my elbow, (golfers elbow).
Any idea why the pain develops?
I would have to see the form to know where issues may be developing. But talking to a PT is never a bad idea
What about the eagle style middle-middle-elbow slingshot?
Flat shots are either going to be baby hyzer flips or super small anny flexes basically. True flat is a rarity but can be accomplished with either style by adjusting waist bend
Josh, if you grip it slightly differently you could be getting 104+ extra distance. It’s what drew and Simon do if that tells you anything
Which camera is used to film the video?
This was probably on his Sony a7iii
This is like saying "there are 2 different types of backhand throws, hyzer and anhyzer" as if throwing flat is not in the realm of possibilities. I can appreciate trying to simplify for a beginner approach and of course agree that single angle throws are the most consistent, but abandoning the fundamental of a flat release confuses me.
Huge for me as someone who just assumed I should be practicing super flat releases for forehand like I do with backhand. Guess it's just a different animal.
Similar deal. Most people throw baby hyzer flips for flat on backhand
which one is more likely to lead to injury?
Neither by necessity. It’s when you mess either up you run into issues
I've had zero issues with injuries on forehand, should you go overhead with it doing the tomahawk however all bets are off, kiss that shoulder goodbye.
so Aarons blue bomber is understable bcuz he threw it on a hyzer and just rode that hyzer to the basket on 450 drives often and i thought they said his blue bomber was overstable and he just forced a long high hyzer..?
He just throws with insane power
@@calebdyer6332 he doesnt look strong def not stronger than myself but i max out at about 300 with rhbh overstable driver my biofusion 174gram Defender for example if i want 400 i have to anhyzer it and i want to just sky hyzer it 400+ damnit!!!!
If you want 400 ft hyzer distance, you gotta
1. Trust your disc
2. Time your weight transfer, so that you put whatever body weight you have INTO the shot. (You should almost feel a spring up of the ground upon your release)
3. HIPS FIRST. Rotate those things and plant that front foot before you even think about bringing your elbow through next, and disc is the last thing to cross your waist area.
4. Last thing and first thing to a power forehand shot is an active wrist. You should have the same wrist motion as you have when someone suggests a mediocre restaurant and you tell them to "get that shit outta here" and slap away their idea. It's an OVER EXAGGERATED wrist movement.
And 5. (At least for me) Think baseball.. I have had slo-mo video taken of my forehand form, and the disc is mostly a baseball for 90% of the throw, until the milliseconds right before and during the release, then the follow through is baseball form again.
For reference, I have thrown 450 ft golf shots in round, range finder verified. So, hope those tips help, I'm going to go back to being another guy on the internet now.
Also, that blue bomber disc Aaron is throwing is definitely an overstable disc. Z nuke, max weight. He just knows how to hit em.
Lmao great thumbnail
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Biggest tip. Don't throw across your body.
Do yourself a favor, search Ryan Sheldon Forehand in YT and watch the two part series. Overthrow has some good vids this is not one of them.
Explain?
Imo hyzer flips in general generates more lift/requires more nose up to fly properly(tough for downhill shots). On the other hand, hyzer flips usually require a slightly understable disc that will glide further left to right (for righty's) than an over stable disc that just dumps. Love the video! ♥️