Get Rid of Sidearm Wobble or Flutter
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- čas přidán 18. 10. 2021
- Throwing a golf disc and seeing too much wobble or flutter on the sidearm is caused by not having enough spin or a wonky release. Both of these can be corrected with one move that takes place on the backswing. This is not easy to learn but in this video I show you a simple step-by-step process that if you follow, there is a 100% chance that you will get rid of the wobble on your sidearm.
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One of the best teachers in the game. An amazing reminder: not everyone who is a professional at something is ALSO a good teacher. Scott is both.
Perfectly articulated, all your videos doesn’t show how to throw perfectly on day1 . It teaches a process that you have to put in practice that will make u better player down the lane . I am the perfect example , I had zero forehand due to my shoulder injury but nowadays I throw consistent 250 ft forehand .. thanks to you scott
We are so excited to see the living root bridges you told us about!!!
52 year old here , who only threw RHBH untill I got back into the sport in 2017 , they used to be called "Tricks Shots" in the 90's !!!
Your technique has me throwing RHFH and has taken 2 strokes off my round at the local course I play. I can now birdy 2 holes I never could with RHBH.
Thank you Scott
walked outside after seeing this tip and tried it. Elbow bent forwards, wrist cocked... man was it always this easy..? Ended up throwing it a few times to make sure it wasn't a fluke, and nope, it's just that easy to fix! Beautiful, straight shots every time! Awesome video, thanks for the help!
then I thought "well, his go really far and mine are flying straight, but not going super far..." Then I remembered the form you showed from another video, and tried adding that on, following through with the arm, 'throwing the ball'... and accidentally sailed it over my neighbor's fence lmfao.
Scott I just want to say that I recently started playing disc golf again after many years off, I’m 44 years old now and could never side arm properly. After watching your videos I just went out today and was cranking 350 foot side arms with zero wobble! Thank you, thank you thank you!
I have watched literally hundreds of videos on how to properly throw, but no one explains as in depth, and as simple as you do! In less than a day I have corrected a years worth of terrible shots, and I can now throw a solid, straight, distance shot. Your explanations just make everything click. Thank you so much for the great insight! On too the backhand!
I'm so happy to see experienced teachers putting methods out that work. It would be a lot easier to just point out positions from a pro (that may or may not help folks) and call it a "technique tutorial". Putting in the teaching work to find success is so much harder and we appreciate your hard work Scott!!!
He's truly the greatest teacher. So impressive.
We all love Scott Stokely
I'm so glad you said that the elbow "just a little bit" in front of the wrist is okay. I tried throwing like Eagle and injured my elbow. Nine months of healing. Now I throw using your method, Scott, and my elbow is good. I basically "coast" through the point when my elbow is in front. Then I snap with the wrist. This gives me good throws, but no injuries.
In ultimate frisbee my side arm was my better throw with good distance but it's interesting how much it doesn't work with disc golf discs and I hurt my elbow. Certainly slowing it down and focusing on the wrist seems the way to go.
Tried and tested now my forearm is a lethal weapon ---see what I did there? I come from a baseball pitcher background and can throw pretty hard. However I could not figure out how to get the energy into the disc to make it fly right, it's like I could throw it 300ft by just forcing it out there but the flight/good throw was not consistent. Watched this video, you made it make sense in my head how to do it, 2 min practice now I can throw bombs correctly. Thanks Stokes you're the man
Im new to the sport and couldn’t throw a sidearm further than 150’ without flutter before I watched this. Im throwing easy 250’+ sidearms now with no flutter. Stokely is the man
I started disc golf a year ago. I came from a handball background, so I believed my forehand would be good. However, it turned out everytime I threw it game out wobbly. Watching these videos helped me really much. What helped me the most was when I changed my mindset into "baseball". A low throwing arm like a whip. That was the first time I ever thew a disc across a football field with my forearm.
That’s for the video’s - I’m 52 and just starting disc golf ⛳️ what a blast I did not realize it is so much fun. I put my golf bag away for now and playing disc gold instead. I’m still terrible but getting better because of people like you.
The ‘windmill’ worked for me, thanks!
dude this guy is the goat. I was skeptical about his other video about serving the pizza, but I tried and put up my best score ever.
Had my first backhand “snap” a few days ago, I was so excited! Haven’t noticed it on a forehand yet.
This is such good teaching. He is the Paul McBeth of teaching,
You explain things in a way nobody else can!
I'm almost at the point where I'm going backhand only because my forehand is terrible.
But I'll give this method a shot. I'll get back to you on the results.
Thx for giving me hope to save my forehead.
Great video Scott sidearm is definitely what I need the most work on this year!!!
This is a video I have been looking for for so long!
Awesome video as always, Scott! I’m sure you mentioned this when I took your seminar here in KC in April, but I don’t remember as much emphasis on the leading elbow. Been struggling to try and get a serviceable forehand still, and feel like this drill may be what I was missing!! Thanks again!
Oh my, thank you very much. I'm getting to 344 ft with sidearm but there's some wobble, thus disc turning over at some point. I'll give this a go someday after I've finished working on my backhand :)
This did wonders for my power forehand. Thank you Scott!
Splendid tutorial! Thank you!
Those vids are sooo helpful. Thank you Scott.
Thank you Scott, super helpful and I’m “Stoked” to put it into practice 👍👍
Love your sidearm explanations, and I can't wait to try this. Your other video explaining how its not a frisbee throw but its more of a ball throw with the torso leaning over took me from a backhand dominant player with an OKAY sidearm to a sidearm dominant player. Keep up the great work.
Great insight as always Scott! These videos have helped me go from throwing forehand approach shots only if I had no other choice to throwing the forehand or backhand off the tee at any distance. Thanks for helping so many of us!
I'm pumped to go try this. Great analysis and breakdown of form, as usual
Scott this is one of your best, at least for me. Thank you!
Thank you Scott! Can't wait to work on this. You have an excellent way of saying what matters.
Thanks Scott. This is very helpful.
My forehand has improved a ton after watching these videos!
The pendulum style helped with my first sidearm issue of skying my shots I pulled back like throwing a ball making my back swing be up near my head with elbow not leading. This video helped finish the fix. The tip with the pause to ensure the wrist clock and elbow position saved me. When I tried it I felt like everything clicked. It felt so natural. Thank you Scott for your amazing ability to simplify concepts makes working on things much easier!
You are so good at this. It's very obvious that you have helped so many others with their form. Always a treat man. Got a lot of great advice. Going out tomorrow to work on my feeble forehand. Thanks and all the best. Looking forward to the next one. Cheers 👌👍
Thank you Scott. Every round your name comes up in conversation. You are a legend.
One of my favorite pros to hear discuss form. I always pick up something from Scott's videos
Hi Scott, really appreciate your point and how clearly it comes across :)
Thanks for the tip Scott! Going to apply this to my game tomorrow.
Great tip to check your form. Will 1000% be using this.
Saw you at Disc Shack in Phoenix but didn't get to say hi and thank you for all the great content as I caught you when you were leaving.
Love the content as always! Thanks so much!
as always, really great tips! looks like a beautiful location where you were filming
Thank you so much Scott!
Your videos have helped me improve soo much, felt snap on my backhand for the first time, and instantly knew what you were talking about. Time to work on my forehand, then distance on both.
You are a natural at teaching this stuff. Very well presented on camera
Wow, totally worked for me in just a few attempts! Great advice
best instuctor. thanks scott!
Awesome video. I’m stopping on my forearm from now on!
Your tutorials have taught me so much and made me much more disciplined. I hope I get to meet you this season 🙏
Rely heavily on my forehand game. Your method of instructions is top notch. Solid. Wasn’t necessarily looking for advice here but will gladly accept it. So much clearer instruction than my “like skipping stones”(end of lesson)lol.
Thank you for the refresher! The side arm is an ongoing on again off again issue for me. much appreciated!
Wish I understood this better during the seminar - definitely clicked more watching this video! Thank you for another great lesson!
This really helped. Thank you.
That other video with the 2 types of FH backswings is really great advise!
Thanks for this! Wobble hasn't been much of a factor in my forehand but I have been working on the pendulum swing. The very first time I hit it right I saw distance improvement. It feels super awkward at first though but its becoming more and more comfortable to me.
Thanks for a great vlog mr Stokely! I have learned a lot from your videos in the past but this one gave me result the fastest. Coming from the sport of handball the sidearm through felt natural from the start (it resembles a handball underarm shot) when starting discgolf 2 years ago. But this summer my sidearm didn´t work as usual. I got wobbly results and often made unintentional rollers. This made me almost stop using the sidearm (except for rollers). But at the first try after watching this video I am back into sidearms again. After 30 min I also made the furthest trough I ever made using a midrange disc. Thanks again and please continue making great videos.
Ok so my sidearm was nonexistent but always a work in progress after watching this video and some practice I now have a serviceable sidearm for shots upto 200 feet thanks Scott
I'm really excited for this. Your last sidearm video helped me go from no side arm to a utility sidearm to what is now something I can use as a legitimate throw choice on the course. I'm still getting some wobble so working on what you've said will be great! Hopefully I start to see improvements.
It's the old adage; Practice Makes Progress.
Just an add-on to what Scott has taught here and on the other sidearm videos as of late (which has improved my forearm immensely) is to MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE that you are tucking the disc all the way (tightly) into the webbing between your thumb and index finger. I was used to more of a fingertip (or like 2/3 of the way back) to throw sidearm, with my utility forehand upshot (before having any kind of decent forehand drive) , and not tucking it all the way, and when transferring that grip to throwing a drive, you will nearly ALWAYS get wobble, aka off axis torque (OAT.) I have retrained my forehand whether its a full throw or a toned back upshot, to making sure the disc is tucked. I had to re-learn my aim because with the disc coming out smooth now, I get a lot longer of a turn or straight, before the disc begins to fade, but its still in good flight, due to not loosing speed from the wobble. Hope this helps someone! This important detail is in plenty of forehand videos, i just kept forgetting to implement it when i got out on the course. Cheers!
I tried sidearm for the first time yesterday and as you probably guessed it didn't go well at all. I am really excited to start practicing and getting better at sidearm with this advice you gave me. Thank you a lot! 👍
OMG I believe you just solved my OAT issue that has been plaguing me forever. Now my old a$$ needs to get more arm flexibility. Thanks so much for identifying and articulating this issue better than anyone.
This video improved my forehand enormously.
I now throw a forehand almost as far as my backhand.
Which is my next goal to improve on.
Best wishes Scott.
I hope you turn up in Europe on your world tour!
Great video. This one showed the biggest mistake I make in throwing sidearm-the elbow too close to my body. Thanks very much!
Looking forward to trying out your suggestions soon. I really have no forehand to speak of, except for short scramble, flick shots. Hopefully, this 70 year old will develop a decent forehand by the time you see me at the Charlotte 2022 clinic.
Such good stuff! Thx.
Thank you very much Scott Stokely. I love your patient, methodical and understandable mannerisms. I'm 52 years old and started enjoying disc golf about 3 years ago. I used to have flutter problems, but I worked those out and my problem right now is hand turning over too much and shots going out towards the left (I'm right handed). I think the "don't telephone during windmill windup" will help me a lot. Just practiced a few tosses into the pillow in my camper, and I'm feeling more spin and flatter release. I'm pretty excited to try this outside tomorrow!
Wish I had seen this before mid October! Just started playing this year and I want to make good habits now as opposed to trying to break bad habits later!! Will be taking these suggestions!
Great tips Scott. Among these tips the thing that helped me the most (to get rid of wobble) was to follow through with my fingers and palm facing up. Rolling my wrist in the follow through resulted in off axis torque in the disc = wobble.
I'm 60 and have been playing for 3 years and don't have a sidearm shot...yet. I'm trying to get this down so when I take your seminar in April, I at least will have a head start. Thanks for the video, and I'll see you in Augusta!
Great video.
I watch a lot of disc golf instruction. Your video on the right foot planting first on RRBH (the "snap" video) and this one are instant fixes for me when things are going wrong (as they often are😂). I tried this yesterday on short (to avoid big run up or backswing issues) FHs and it was an instant massive improvement.
I have the flexibility and am always focusing on leading with the elbow, but still have the wobbles. Stopping at the backswing and making sure the disc is on the desired plane is definitely my next thing to try. Thanks!!
Great video, Scott! The problem I have is a past shoulder injury that likes to haunt me from time to time. This is why I do more backhand throws and use the sidearm for utility shots. If I dump power into my sidearm my shoulder instantly let's me know. Rotator cuff injuries suck!
best sidearm video ever!
Thank You sir... I'm 2 years in and because of you I have a sidearm that I feel comfortable with now.
Just watched a handful of your videos Scott to try and improve my sidearm mechanics. I can consistently throw 300-350 ft sidearms but I learned to throw by tucking my elbow in and x-stepping on run up. Even though it's effective my biceps and brachioradialis are not happy after a full 18. Tomorrow I'll be putting in some fieldwork and getting a nice pendulum/windmill along with some of the other tips in your vids. I'll let you know how it goes boss.
Exactly what I needed! I do have a fair forehand , but not over 300 feet. And I know my disc is wobbling as I film myself a lot, and I don’t know how to fix it. gonna start practicing this method right away!!! Thank you heaps!!!!
Going to practice this today!
Thanks again, Scott. I'm happy with my FH for the most part, but it's a bit inconsistent. I'm gonna try this and let you know of the results.
Ty for the video, last round I played all my sidearms were rollers , will be trying your method. Also will be seeing you @ Idlewild seminar 🥳
Nice followup from the 1st video of yours I ever watched. "Windmill vs pendulum"
One problem with fixing wobble/form is your distance control can get completely ruined.
Expect alot more going long till you get that dialed back gain. 😀
Awesome. Just, awesome. Thank you.
I will try this next time I go into the field. I've been working hard on my backhand and knew I needed to work on the forehand. I get frustrated cause I feel like I know what I'm supposed to be doing with the backhand, it's just a matter of figuring it out.
With the forehand, it's been a bit of "I don't know what I don't know" and has been a lot of guessing, to the point where I'd considered just learning RHBH (LHBH predominant) instead of forehanding. So we'll see how this goes
Very well done video. “Very simple but not easy”.. I like that.
It seems like I have the elbow out in front already and have decent form, but I still get quite a bit of wobble on many of my sidearm throws. He didn’t talk much about the cocking of the wrist.. maybe that’s just a simple task that I need to pay more attention to. Also, maybe there’s a vid that more specifically discusses the wrist action to get rid of wobble?
Great stuff
I just tried it and while it definitely eliminates wobble, I have control issues with it, so I'll have to work on it. But I was juicing my putters across my side yard (about 100') with very little effort. But I am seeing a lot more potential here for improving my distance (a weak point for my sidearm). Thank you, Scott!
Thanks for that, something more to practice (only started playing 2 months ago)
I focus on strength and mobility training 2 days prior to any round I intend to go throw sidearms. 48-72 hours prior seems to be ideal for me. For sidearms, I focus on bicep curls, shoulder extensions, triceps, single-leg squats and core exercises. Stretching with an elastic band a few minutes prior to throwing is a must for me now. I've had too many injuries. Using resistance bands works wonders and reduces the likelihood for injuries as it simulates flexion and extension of tendons and supporting muscle groups, unlike dumbbells, which are the same weight throughout the range of an exercise movement. Wish I had known all of this in my twenties.
Thank you Scott!
I throw mostly forehand and just a couple weeks ago the wobble showed up again. I think it’s in my elbow placement and maybe slightly too loose of a grip
Thanks so much!! That’s exactly what I have been doing wrong! Wow, it makes since now.
Wobble and snap have always been very erratic for me, sometimes there, and sometimes not. Now I know why. My upshots are usually very good, my drives are frequently quite poor. Recently, I have just got it in my mind that I would upshot from the tee. This is improving my game immensely. I believe my "half the groceries" upshot gets me more distance with less effort because when I throw less than maximum, I throw correctly. When I tense up and give it everything, form goes out the window.
Not surprising, but now I know why. Thank you!
I was finally able to consistently get clean throws with the lefty forehand because of this video. Hopefully I can lock it down for good.
I’m surprised he didn’t mention upper body position. Leaning over will help angel the elbow where it is supposed to be and feel more natural than having your arm all twisted back. Ether way great video! Love Scott’s stuff.
Great info! I was wondering about the pressure point for your middle finger on the disc, are you trying to feel the disc as low as possible on the middle finger or more towards the finger tip? btw - dig the rpm discs hat, just started throwing a couple of their molds and they are awesome. Inexpensive quality premium plastic compared to some of the other guys.
Dude! You just gave me a ding ding moment..been struggling with my sidearm...I'm pretty sure it's starting with my elbow back..cuz sometimes it flies..and others times not at all.
Awesome video. Need some field work time now. :)
Please give us some stretches for this, Scott! :-)
Fantastic video, thank you!
Update - took this tip out to the course on Weds and it instantly improved both the accuracy and distance of my forehands. No more 'misfires' where the disc wobbles off left (RHFH). I've been practicing indoors with a FlighTowel and am seeing some major improvements on my noodle FH.
Andrew, gonna try to find a link for a specific partner-assisted shoulder/elbow stretch for you. I'm 50, thick muscled, and have thrown baseballs and frisbees since age 5-- not ONE arm injury in all that time. Plus, you'll improve that "elbow" forward flex. So check back if interested.
Awesome video, I've been trying to practice my forehand finally, getting some decent results with my understable discs on hyper flips. I think a struggle for some including myself is shoulder mobility getting that elbow in front. The other big struggle I have is turning the disc over into a roller.
I have the roller problem to, based on this video it sounds like if you get the disc in the plain your gonna throw it will work. More 9 o’clock than 11 o’clock. Also sounds like it’s the easier problem to solve than getting the elbow in the right place 1st
Yeah, for me mobility is a huge problem after I started weightlifting. I just can't lead with the elbow more then just it being a tiiiiiiny way in front of my hand. Have a hard time finding routines to fix my mobility. Same goes for my wrist mobility. I can't release "nose down" backhand due to this problem anymore. Ugh.