Massdrop 4XX VS. 6XX (Comparison)
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Damn, that's what I call an underrated youtuber.
I love the quality and professionalism in your reviews. Very concise yet informative :)
Wow, awesome review! It was very organized, timestamps were convenient, and intro was short. I also love how you weren't passive, and weren't afraid to point out the differences. Very high quality review, you kept it short and sweet
I was waiting this comparison for ages, Thank you Joshua !
Loving the retro synthwave soundtrack and 80's style clour scheme on this older video Josh. Be great to see more of it with your ever-increasing sound, camera work and editing skills. I always make sure I've got a decent pair of amped-up cans for your videos.
I am loving your reviews man, so straight to the point and clear to understand what you want to mean, thanks a lot
Hey Josh, here from Wong on Z's discord. I like the reviews so far but one thing I'd like is maybe a song list of the music you use in these videos as I'm a fan of the synthwave sounding music you've used so far. Thanks and keep it up!
Just stumbled across this video and instantly subscribed. The presentation of organization of everything was just perfect. Really high quality content :)
Thanks Man! Glad to have you here!
Glad to be here! I'm sure you get hounded with questions in comments on your videos but if you get a minute I was hoping you could weigh in on something. I currently use a pair of HD579s and I am looking to upgrade, would you recommend going with a higher end pair of Senneheisers as a natural upgrade, or a different brand for more tonal diversity? I really want a pair of 6xx's but I am also tempted to broaden my horizons a bit.
Dude Everytime I look up a headphone comparison, you've done it.
That's awesome.
just wanted to let you know been looking at the 58X and the 6XX and found your chan. love the vids keep up the great work. Cheers
You should have more subscribers man. I can appreciate the amount of work you put in to your videos. Great content.
This was a fantastic comparison video. You are doing top notch work. Keep it up JV.
C Bass can you send me the link of the profile picture ?
Or write it in the comments
Google Snake Plissken Chronicles. It’s from the comic book series.
C Bass thanks bro
Awesome video man. Great filming
Thanks for this video and your advice - I've subscribed (and picked up the 4XXs on the current Massdrop). :-)
I have been waiting for this video for a long time
Micha Berlemon +1
+2 on that
+3 really wanted it
+4 this was a must video
Freakin massdrop, you feel like u save a lot on purchasing either one, you end up buying one, get the other and a 3rd, maybe get a new amp and in the end you spend more instead of buying one $500 headphone...
lol so i am no alone.,.... damnit its a rabbit hole!
But then you have 3 pairs of headphones and an amp!
Ok so I'm not the only one I have the 58x and just ordered the 4xx and that's just from massdrop..
@@tomhobel I'm know I'm too far in the future but what do you think of the 4xx against the 58x?
I was actually searching a comparison video of those 2, but I ended up here.
@@felreizmeshinca7459 I they both sound great. The 58x is easier to drive so if your using a cell phone they will be louder then the 4xx. I also took the foam out of the 58x which makes them sound (from what I was told) more like the sennheiser 660s which are $500.00. Either way you go you won't be disappointed both very well sounding. Just remember they are both open back so what your are listening to, everyone around you will hear it also..
Was very much looking forward to this direct comparison after watching both reviews and immediately picked up the HE-4XX's as my first set of planars. :D
Excellent content, keep up the great work!
How have they been
How is your experience with the 4xx
Thanks for the review, it really helped.
Awesome coverage Josh, voice was clear, you told it like it is, and no bs. Oh and btw, after seeing this video, I liked, subbed, and notified !! :))
Thanks Mike. Glad to have you here!
I own both of these headphones and your review is spot on, sir! Your comparison is exactly what I heard. I was really surprised when I got the 6XX because I was told for years that the HD650 was "laid back" and I felt assaulted when I first used them because the sound is so close and intense. Anyway, if the HD6XX had better bass extension and impact, they would get more head time, since I'm somewhat of a basshead.
The 4XX are probably my favorite headphone that I own and they didn't cost close to some of my other 'phones. On the right amp they are absolutely magical! I lightly modded them, I swapped the Focus-A pads for Focus pads and added a piece of rubber shelf liner as a fazor (this is one of the mods on the SuperBestAudioFriends HE4XX thread). That took the sound from good to great!
Based on your review, if I had seen it before I bought either, I would have gotten the 4XX and that would have been the right choice for me so I think you did a great job presenting the headphones and highlighting the differences. Keep up the good work!
Bronson White What are you using to amp the 4xx?
@@acspicer I use a vintage Technics Su-z900. Spec-wise you wouldn't think it would be that great but they pair really well. I gives them a big lush, rich sound. The high noise floor on that amp that makes most headphones unbearable is totally silent on the HE4XX and HE-400 for some reason. And it isn't a planar thing. My M1060s and T20-RP both have significant background hiss. The best modern amp I have found for the HE4XX is the ifi iCAN SE.
@@BronsonWhite
Honestly?
The fidelio x2hr with my dac amp, destroys both of them
Great review... subbed
Good make-sense review. I've owned both a couple of years and while I like either very much, as a "daily driver" on my pc, I have used the 4xx far more, both for physical and auditory "comfort". These days, I'm actually leaning more to the Sivga Phoenix and the Focal Elegia.
Thanks for this couldn't have been better timing.
Hi Joshua, really enjoy your channel bro! Hey, what amp did you use for this comparison? Cheers
Great vids!!! Will you be comparing the akg 7xx with these?
I'm super new to all of this and finding this video made me realize I'm not just making this shit up. I have both of these and I agree with everything you said. Thanks.
i have both of them and enjoy both for different reasons.
Great comparation good job
I purchased the HD6XX and find they lack bass a little but I am ok with that because they do mids and highs so well that it makes up for it. Thanks for the review.
I love Mountains by Hans Zimmer and that is going to be the song I will use to decide whether to pick up the HE-4XX (used) or not. Just loved that you mentioned this masterpiece
Great review, solidifies my choice with the 4XX. Got mine last week and I am loving them. I have an old set of HD-580's so I can't see any reason to get the 6XX, especially since it's not the sound signature that I'm really looking for.
These HE-4xx have horrible FR you most be talking about soundstage or imaging?? Absolute garbage if not not eq’d to Harman
I just ordered the 58x jubilees, very excited. How do the HE4xxs compare to the 58x?
So have been a sennheiser fan for years, but i had purchased the He4XX to try planar magnetic, kinda wish i had stuck to my senns.... But this will be mostly used for gaming, and i hope i picked right :) thanks for the review, i like this and you didn't use too many "audiophile" phrases which noone understands. thanks for breaking it down so clearly. new sub here.
Great review. Have you had anytime with the Sundara headphones by HiFiman? I am trying to decide between 4XX and them
Great review and comparison, I think the mic analogy of the 6xx is 100% correct, IF you haven't I hope you get a change to check out 1more triple over ears. To me they were as big of an eye opener as m1060 and 6xx were. Worst case is I can send them in a few months after I get some love out of them lol
Great reviews, and refreshing to see a down-to-earth, reasonable guide to headphones. Glad I found this!
HELP!! Hey Josh, great reviews mate. I'm tossing up between the 4XX and the 58X Jubilees. I'm no expert, just someone looking for a decent set of headphones for what I listen to which is mainly dance, pop and rock with some movie watching (action and sifi). Which of these would you recommend or is there something else. I was also looking at Fostex. Cheers.
I have both too (actually, the He400i instead of the He4xx). You're so spot on with everything. I just... downright AGREE a 100% your review so let's just agree to agree... Oh wait. We just did that.
that was a good review . gets better and better everyday. :)
Thanks man!
Thaaaaaank u man ❤️
Respect ✊
Any chance you'd look at the 58x Jubilee?
THANK YOU VERY MUTCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i was going crasy trying to decide !!!!
4XX here i go
Hi, would you know if he4xx similar to athm40x? I'm confused in buying he4xx or hd6xx. I'm wanting to buy an opposite sound sig with my atm40x. Thank you for insight in this.
1:09 What my incognito searches at 3:00 AM sound like...
Josh, how would you describe the difference in soundstage between Argon and 4XX?
07:03 I certainly DID!!! And gaaawd! I love that fat retrowave track playing in the background!
Excellent video as always Josh!
watching this with my he4xx i love it more than m1060 unmodded
Which of these two headphones resembles the Audeze LCD- X more closely sound-wise?
Could you compare the 6xx to the Akg 7xx
Your video makes me wanna buy both for different listening scenarios
Wonderful comparison video. I am looking at both of these headphones as my current Sennheiser HD579s are falling apart currently lol. As tempted as I am by the 4XX's planar magnetic drivers I think I'm going to go with the 6XX as I do some music production and an accurate sound is what I want most. I definitely want get a pair of the 4XXs at some point though because they do sound like a very fun pair of headphones!
That's funny here I am looking to replace my 579s of 6 years and have the 6xx on order now. How have you been liking yours? Tried anything else since you like more?
Great review! I own both 🤘🏽
'Clamp Force' was the name of my superhero team in college.
Do the upgraded cables make much of a quality in audio difference?
I bought a pair of HD 580 Precisions back in 2004. Upgraded everything but the headband assembly; the drivers, pads, cable. Had the 4xx for 6 months and of course in HiFiMan fashion they fell apart within 6 months. Too bad they were a great compliment to the 580 Frankensteins.
Exactly the comparison I was hoping for considering my Sennheiser hd600 are getting old. They are still working like a champ just falling apart a little, that is the foam inside the ear has a hole in it. 😁
Great video and straight to the point. Went with the 4XX for "fun" factor. :) Both are great though.Very underrated You Tuber like Oracion said. :O
I love my 4xx, but honestly if you want to get a pair you have to keep in mind that the pads wear off rather quickly (after receiving them 1 year full of care and the right pad is completely detached, the left one is taped with black electrical tape). So basicly be aware of a future expense of $50-70 for replacement pads from Brainwavez or Dekoni.
do you have sandpaper for ears? have had mine for 2+ years and the cups are still practically brand new.
Which headphone for Jazz and Classic?
What do you think of the DT 770 Pros? I know that's kind of a random comment based on the content of this video but I'm trying to decide what's right for me.
What I saw your content, and I think 100k subs+ But 8k... WTF
If I like to listen to Metal and play some Videogames, then which one could be better for me?
I just got my 4xxs. I've had my 6xx for more than a year. I'd have to say that having both is great and worth the money. They really compliment each other. The 6xx is dark and laid back, the 4xx is quick, detailed and fun. Grace DAC and Magni 3 are great with both
thank you
guess i'll buy both . aw crap
Is the 6xx really a laid back headphone? Because he (and even some other owners in the comments) said that the sound is quite "in your face" which would make me lean more to the 4xx
@@hanfpeter4190 I found the 6xx to be dark and laid back. Maybe I need more horsepower, but I like both of them
I have the 6XX and 7XX. Contemplating to get 4XX as my first planar but I ended up with LCD2C lol
Imaging / positional accuracy (forward, backward, up, down)?
Do you still get the Sennheiser blob?
You don’t on the 600/650, so I’d assume not.
Soooo.. gaming wise which is the better headphone?
I know you also own Philips fidelio x2hr. Could you pls compare those with 4xx and 6xx.
I have HD650's and just got a pair of HE-4XX's. I have to say I actually like the lateral/clamp force of the 650's. With the 4XX it feels like its just kind of sitting there weighing your head down. It's kind of like wearing a hiking backpack with or without the hip strap engaged.
Which sound better ?
If you like 4XX's, you're going to LOVE Sundara's
Definitely, I love my Sundaras, they are the perfect upgrade for the 4xx
God damn it!
He4xx and Sundara are 95% the same. I A/B tested them, the only difference in sound is made by the pads. Sundara is a direct replacement for HE400i, and it uses the same driver. Sundara isn't a better headphone in the sound department, it's just better built and a little comfier.
It was a difficult decision for me but I opted for the Sundara over the 4XX due to the improved build quality. The lack of deep bass was fixed by changing the ear pads.
Johnny Parker What pads did you get?
I have Sony wh1000xm3’s and I like those for being in the car and stuff but I want something like one of these at home. I like the bass of my Sony’s. What would you recommend out of any headphone, not just these for similar bass to my Sony’s
So you don’t recommend the 58x jubilee?
What's a decent amp I should get for the HE4XX? like under $150?
And if we compare the 58x against 4xx, which one would be better?
You’re my new favorite audio/headphone CZcamsr.
Nice comparison video. I own both headphones and your observations are on point. Keep up the great work.
Thanks man, I appreciate it!!!
I find it surprising you said the sennheiser HD650 were a bit fatiguing when they are "the sennheiser veil" by almost everyone. They are definitely buttery smooth on the treble with a great amount of details.
Another point in the favor of the 6XX is the fact that it is an amazing companion for a tube amp. The 4XX will be matched very poorly for this
Honestly?
The fidelio x2hr with my dac amp, destroys both of them.
For gaming ? Witch one is best fps
I have HE-4XX, HD600 and Fostex TH-610. HE-4XX my favorites. They are just more fun.
Went with the 4xx because of your review, 6xx are more of just an upgrade to my SHP9500s'
Your goal is point us to the right direction if I just need to pick one.
After watching your video, I have both.
I have HD 660 S. I bought HE4XXs so I can appreciate them even more.
I think imaging is what I am looking for so I am leaning to the 6xx with a thx 789 amp. Since you have both of these, could you give me an opinion on how the two compare for gaming? Say shooter games. I figure imaging is more important here, knowing the accurate direction of incoming bullets and footsteps.
But I've also heard the 4xx is better for this because the soundstage is better.
You have any thoughts on this? I don't care much about how music sounds, either of these will be acceptable for music, I'm mostly looking for accurate directional sound.
@@doublecrossedswine112 I generally prefer the HE4XX more than the Sennheiser line entirely when using an amp like the THX 789.
@@dillacorn_linux How's the bass in HE4xx conpared to hd 58x?
@@Chopper153 HE4XX are much cleaner in general.. more enjoyable and clinical with an amplifier that is around the THX 789 class of linear. HE4XX is less punchy compared to HD58X but because it's more linear and true to life I'd pick them over the HD58X in a heart beat. HD 58X are fun but they don't scale up very much at all with amps.. making them less interesting IMO.
Honestly in general I'd personally pick the Hifiman HE4XX over most headphones in the price..even if my amp was more budget tier like a BTR5 or Schiit Magni 2.
Def try to go THX if you get a HE4XX though and one with high power. Or maybe some of the Topping amps like the new A50S.
Wow what is the song at the beginning
Super late but I owned HD650s for like 4 years, bought some 4XX's on a whim, plugged them in and never used the 650s again, gave them to my little brother after a few weeks.
2 years with the 4XX's and I have an unopened 2nd pair incase anything happens.
Last sentence of this review nails it, the 4XX is simply fun and something I wished more reviewers touched on was gaming, combined with the punchy bass and open soundstage these make games sound so alive, played Resident evil 8 and got legit startled multiple times because I thought something was in my room lol.
Your the best reviewer on you youtube thanks
Anyone know where I can get an aftermarket 3.5mm to 3.5mm y cable? I can't find any anywhere.
Before I've seen the review I'd like to mention my experience with the headphones.
I purchased both of them because I was being really indecisive. On straight out of the box listen to both of them, I found that the 4XX sounded a bit more drowsy which gave me the illusion that they are richer. A few month went by and I continued going back and forth, trying out EQ and using them in public where you find that the 4XX need a little bit more juice to drive than the 6XX. Both of the headphones were very comfortable, but I wasn't a fan of the pads for either of them (valuer just isn't my thing). I like a little bit of bass when I'm listening and so I decided to change them to leather pads for both and by this point they were nicely broken in and I was already starting to prefer the richer sound of the 4XX. After the leather pad change I have to say without a doubt in my mind that I prefer the 4XX. Hands down I haven't taken them off my head with the pad change. The bass became super punchy and they still have that openness about them. The 6XX improved for me as well, but not as dramatically. Previously in order to get decent punchy bass out of the 4XX I'd crank it up so high, that they'd distort and rattle like crazy. But due to the nature of their drivers, they are very sensitive to pressure and the seal that you get with the leather pads was all they needed. Honestly If I were anyone that's looking for either of them I'd grab the 4XX and invest into a nice pair of leather pads, ( these are the ones I purchased and they are super soft and comfortable www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Thicker-Replacement-Cushion-ear-pads-For-HIFIMAN-HE-300-400-500-560-HE-4-6-5-5LE-/172534289105?var=&hash=item282bd852d1) this way you'd have spent less and to be honest, they are a lot more impressive to show off to people :D If you are crazy like me and decide to crank the bass with an amp on these, they will squish your head like no other open back headphone I've tested.
Mr. Petkov which option did you choose? The first or second ones
6xx/Magni/Modi/Reference 4 - Mixing for flat response...
if my collection is jazz, alot of reggae and soul music what would anyone suggest? my first time buying.
How are you not more popular, like your vids
Growing quickly:) 200 subs a day last couple days, so it’s going😂
Thanks for your support though!
@@JoshuaValour I just found your channel because I looking for a new pair headphones. I have a pair sennheiser hd518, superlux hd688b, and ATH-PRO700MK2. Just need something different. Keep up the great work!
Since you have tried both ... 58x (the Jubillee ones) or 6xx ? In which I should invest to tame my thirst of Sennheiser ? Fantastic comparison once again..
Fabio Rigo thanks. Getting the jubilee in next week. Haven’t heard them. But, there will be a 6xx comparison of that in the future.
Joshua Valour I will look forward to that one..
owner of hd650, super interested in such review, keep up the great reviews!!
Fabio Rigo Right now I would say the 58X Jubliee if I HAD to pick. They aren't as detailed but they are just SO MUSICAL. Last night I was listening to the new Obscura which is a Tech Death band .....and I was so drawn into the recording I fell asleep. It's like I was hypnotized. BEST $150 I've ever spent.
Joshua Valour they sound just like the 6xx with just a tad less detail and tighter. 58x is a better pickup for casual users because it doesn’t need an app to get it to enjoyably loud volumes
One thing to look out for is the quality control issues of the HE4XX. I have the 58X,600,6XX and all of those have 0 issues to this day. However when I first got my HE4XXs the side grill was popped out in the box, easy enough fix. I popped it back in then 6 hours later the actual cups and their screws were popping out from the frame. Had to screw them all back in with hex screws and now when I take them out or have them on my desk a set of screw drivers is not too far away. To my knowledge your mileage varies on how long they last before they start needing to be screwed with no pun intended. But it is a guarantee you will need to tighten them at some point.
Aaron Sev
From all the 4 headphones
Which one sounds the best ?
From 1 to 4
@@davidmason8212 1. HD600 however bass heads will hate it but its clarity is amazing
2.HD6XX/650
3.HD58X
4.HE4XX
That's my take on all 4 The 4xx lack in detail and imaging compared to all others on the list. The reason you buy them is for that planar feel and thump.
Aaron Sev
Thanks bro
I am going to get the 6xx
Do you know how much power exactly to run perfectly ?
@@davidmason8212 I run my pairs on a schiit valhalla 2 on my desk. For my travel setup on the go I use a magni 3 with my laptop. For mobile phone I use my fiio q1 mk2. Ideally you dont want to run any of these pairs (besides the 58X) on anything under 1W. So no USB powered DAC/Amp combos. Mostly things with their own Wall wart power supplies.
Can fiio q1 mk2 drive it perfectly?
I’m still so confused about the amp part. Do I really need to buy a separate headphone amp or is the built-in on my Cambridge axr100 adequate? It claims anything from 35-600 ohms would work fine and I know that’s misleading but I can’t imagine my amps power is any less than a schiit magni?
Do I want accuracy or do I want fun ? Why can't I have both?
Conclusion.....subbed, buying both :)
Impressive review. I have both headphones (and many more, i am addict audiophile) and this comparison is very accurate and professionally done. You have future kid. Those who are deciding which one to buy, go for both! And welcome to the world of Audiophiles, it will be painful road ahead especially on your wallet but well worth it! Humans came to world because of God and they stayed cause of music!
I think that Americans, in general, love low frequencies. That's why most headphones from the US are relatively more aggressive than the European brands. And I'm specifically talking about audiophile or studio-level headphones.
After listening to the 6xx and 4xx my initial thoughts were the 6xx were better but the more and more i listen i think the 4xx wins and is WAY more confortable
what do you mean by accurate and fun?
I bought the hifiman but i dont like the ear pads any suggestion greatly appreciated. Sorry for my english
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