"The forcefield is blocking our communication" "Compensate" "Ah, good idea sir, glad to have you, I as the communications officer would never had this idea on my own!"
I like that Seven's loyalty and devotion to Janeway, Voyager, and crew, outweighed the duty to stick to the temporal prime directive. Another Kirk-esque, "To hell with the rules" moment.
Yay! Breaking the law just because you care about someone is fantastic! Especially when the law in this case is meant to protect billions from having their past erased.
@@harrymills2770 Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t. Fortunately for Star Trek, the franchise also has plenty of examples of characters breaking the rules and facing serious consequences for it, often death of a loved one. It’s a show about being human, and part of the human experience is to be torn between following authority and defying authority to follow your convictions.
I watched Voyager with my two young daughters. I wanted them to see a leader who understood her flaws but made decisions based on information and discussion. They both ended up professionals, one in the military and one in health service. I am so proud of them and hope that maybe Voyager drove home some leadership concepts. Great show!
I always thought Janeway made the wrong choice most of the time. She made choices based on emotion and was often tyrannical and without humility. I hope your daughters took Janeway's desire to do the right thing and left the pompous attitude behind.
What a wonderful way to parent! You make me think of all the engineers who were inspired by Scotty and LaForge, and the hose who went into medicine because of Dr. McCoy . 😊
Kathryn trusts Tuvok more than probably anyone CURRENTLY in Starfleet .... cuz he's known her the longest, he's been in Starfleet the longest (of anyone she knows), and his Vulcan DNA allows him to be about as impartial AND pragmatic as any humanoid could possibly be.
one of the Sherlock Holmes stories has a line about impossible vs implausible, i forget exactly how it goes but it's along the same lines as Occam's Razor
That "tempus fugit" always makes me laugh, somehow it perfectly encapsulates the combination of "this is all going to hell" and "screw it, let's try her plan and see what happens"
ya know that part "When you take me from the borg" is a very strong sentence because it makes Janeway realize she saved Seven From the collective and gave her back her humanity....that probably hit janeway hard here is a woman that has borg in her but yet she has her individuality back EPIC
She had already said she couldn't answer her questions because it would violate the temporal prime directive. That was the slip. After that, there was no harm in saying "Yes" to being from another time.
@@Zenoff64 its over a span of 500 years, shouldnt they be comparing it like a horse and wagon and a car by this point when it comes to forcefields? Or did technology become stagnant the last 500 years?
@@Zentiu Technology adapts to what's needed, leaving behind what's irrelevant. The tech needed to bypass their force fields might not be required anymore, since that version of shields are long obsolete. If every lock is a digital card key, a deadbolt lock is king, since the tools required to pick it aren't around anymore.
@@Eidlones So, they're not thinking about coming across a new alien hostile race that happens to have those kinds of shields and attacking them for their own reason? Id call that negligence. :P About your deadbolt lock, who is to say someone wouldnt be like 'hey, let me see how i can pick this lock. let me make the tools for it. Let me ask my replicator to make one for me. Hey, im going to a time where such technology exists, let me prepare myself just in case.' Jumping in blind timetraveling to a time that has already been, which they got extensive record of, blows my mind tbh. But maybe im the only one who thinks like that? Oh, btw tldr, i loved the voyager series and this episode. it was different then the usual thing which i liked. Even the twist at the end who the culprit was.
I can't believe I just realized Braxton's actor also appeared as an Earth Alliance captain on Babylon 5 during their rebellion arc. Seems Voyager had a few of them.
All the ridiculously impossible physics and impossible time travel throughout Star Trek, and you think forcefields are possible? If you accept one fraud, why not accept them all?
Even seasoned sci-fi fans get confused with this episode a bit but they did a great job balancing the "Episode of TV" vs tropes and pulled it off. Real fun seeing the ship and crew in drydock and unseasoned.
I love Braxton's response when Janeway starts to poke and prod... he's just like "What is WITH this insufferable woman who's a constant pain in my ass? I'd throw her in a temporal brig for all the damage she does to the timeline on a daily basis, but my superiors won't let me... CONFOUND YOU JANEWAY! YOU DRIVE ME TO DRINK!"
@@Asghaad That's what I'd heard too. Must have been very difficult to act together, over such a long period of time, with all that animosity always bubbling under the surface. No idea why they disliked each other, but I'm willing to bet that Kate Mulgrew felt threatened by Jeri Ryans superior looks and sheer sexiness ! I guess I would too, but as a man, I'd find a way to deal with that.......😈
@@jamesbarbour8400 KM thought she could pull off being a great ST captain. That they chose to bring in another woman, with the superior looks and sheer sexiness, proved KM was NOT "pulling off" being a great ST captain that could support the show with adequate ratings by herself.
What a great clip! And there's a very young Jay Karnes sitting at the time console in front of Captain Braxton. Karnes has played supporting roles in so many series. One of my favorites was as FBI agent Robert Gale in 12 Monkeys.
I like how they brought back Braxton in this episode. At the time of original airing, this episode wasn't my favorite. However, rewatching now its a fantastic episode and I've learned to appreciate it more. I do have one question: what about the temporal prime directive in this case? Seven telling the past Janeway that she is from the future. YIKES. I'm with Janeway on this one: Time travel gives me a headache!
At the end of the episode Braxton tells them exactly when he boards so that they can go back and stop him without causing damage to the timeline... before any of this happens, preventing the multiple "incursions" 7 made.
Miles O'Brian (1): "Wait, if you are me, and you are from the past, and you are sick ... shouldn't I be sick now?" Miles O'Brian (2): "..." Miles O'Brian (1): "..." Both in unison: "I hate time travel!"
One of my favorite running jokes in Voyager is Janeway's distaste for Time Travel shenanigans. "Listen. I don't care about the HOW, just tell me what to shoot"
tbh the temporal prime directive seems a bit pointless if it dosnt include a clause thats like "If you see someone on your ship that is clearly from the future and dosnt just kill you on the spot, follow what they say without question"
*Janeway:* Who sent you? *Seven:* I can't tell you that. I would be risking damage to the timeline. *Janeway:* I don't care if History Itself comes unraveled, I wanna know why you're on my ship! Ah, Captain Janeway. Who cares if all of reality comes undone? She wants to know why an unauthorized person is on her ship.
In fairness to Janeway, there’s zero evidence being presented with that statement to support it. It would be like if you went to Fort Knox and said you needed to get inside the vault but couldn’t say why other than that it is a matter of the entire fabric of space and time.
My friends and I had lan-parys in my apartment when Voyager was on Swedish TV in those days. Everyone stopped gaming and watched the new episode. Then we like had a 10 minutes breakdown of the episode. Started to game again silent realizing we had to wait a week for next episode. Yes that was the times I miss very much. :)
The coolest bit of technobabble in such a concise time. Time travelling ship and crew with a healed-Borg member of another crew attempting to prevent a disaster in the future in the other side of the Milky Way galaxy on a human spaceship manufactured in Utopia Planetia shipyards.
I dunno if I like how they handled Braxton. Is this where he was placed under arrest before committing any crimes? The logic of arresting someone before they've committed a crime runs contradictory to everything the Federation/Starfleet stands for. It's all too convenient even for the purposes of wrapping this all up in one episode.
Yes. By the end of the show, there's actually 3 Braxton's. One of the last lines in the show is all three will be properly reintegrated in time for their trial. In this instance this is an issue of temporal mechanics. The Captain Braxton of the time ship Relativity hadn't done anything wrong yet, he was only working to stop a temporal criminal w/out knowing the temporal criminal was a future him. But you lock Captain Braxton up after you figure out its the future version of him so the present version of him can't interfere with his own apprehension. After they're integrated, the Captain Braxton would face trial to prevent him from further access to time travel. Then the other 2 Braxton's would face an account of criminal time travel with charges of attempted ship destruction and murder of the Voyager crew and actual destruction and murder of the Voyager crew. Then an exo-temporal record of the events would be made and Braxton would be arrested shortly before making the jump to Voyager to plant the bomb.
@@Twister6424 Neither. Ducane (Braxton's first officer) mentions as much in the episode. So, I guess you could say the "Source" is the episode itself or were you not paying attention? The only bit of speculation he has here is likely the last 2 sentences. The rest isn't. Given that the prime timeline doesn't have these events in play, doing as Ducane pointed out and reintegrating them before the trial effectively makes the entire jumping through time "un-happen". So, Janeway never encounters Braxton as a criminal on her ship up until the season 5 Prime timeline Janeway travels back to apprehend him. Beyond that, her timeline never intersected and she didn't meet him in the corridors earlier in her own timestream as a result. But, as Janeway once said, "Time travel. Since my first day on the job as a Starfleet captain I swore I'd never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes - the future is the past, the past is the future, it all gives me a headache." Ironically, of course, she ends up in multiple temporal paradoxes and really doesn't remember them. (Time and Again being in season 1 where it actually "first" happens in the series.)
@@IamJustJ. Let me help you out here, skippy. It's cute that you asked if I was paying attention. I offered my opinion of this episode, I never said I didn't understand it (as much as someone could understand a sci-fi episode's explanation of time travel and the multiple universe idea). Your comment is typical of some dude that tries to answer a question that was never there. Not only that, your attempt to sound smart is based on circular logic. You strike me as one of those guys that believes yelling the same exact thing louder and louder makes your answer more valid. Let me dumb it down for you since you not only missed answering this question the first time, but you're a year late. Just because you buy into the BS of a sci-fi episode doesn't make it any more valid. You actually support my point that this episode is "convenient" in that the three Braxtons will reintegrate. How nice a story like that is tied up in a simple explanation that tries to combine multiple and single universe ideas. Why is there a "reintegration" if there are multiple universes all of which have their own existence and own outcomes? And you clearly missed the underlying point of the second question that I asked, "if there was a source or if it was the logic of fandom." Let me dumb it down for you again since you're not paying attention. While good on you for quoting an episode, at the end of it all you're still talking out of your ass...and what's worse, you're doing it with such authority.
Braxton would freak out if he were to find out he's going to be an Earth Force captain abandoning Earth Force and siding with Babylon 5. He'd just freak... LOL
Yup. Sci-if no longer questions the dominant paradigm. Sci-fi was originally insurgent and rebellious, pushing back against the rigid corporate conformity of the 1950s. Now all we have is corporate sci-fi.
I haven’t seen this ep in years so I don’t recall if minds get wiped. Do we ever get a moment in which “present” Janeway retroactively remembers all these moments of meeting 7?
"There is a saboteur on this ship" "You're not going anywhere until you tell me what's happening" Perfect example of how bad the writers really were for this show. I remember there were inconsistencies between episodes and characters forgetting lessons learned, but this was pure stupidity. Janeway asks a question she was JUST given the answer to before even asking it. Great job writers. 🤣
Actually, it's a story and Janeway is a fictional character. Why the makers were keen to keep Jeri Ryan on the show maybe because she is a very attractive lady and a good actor.
most likely thing is that without that specific change the Federation ceases to exist at some point after so for them to even exist that time jump has to happen making it a "proper" sequence of events
Every single time the "Temporal Prime Directive" comes up in this show it's always "Screw the TPD I wanna know stuff!" I mean really, does nobody in Starfleet actually give a damn about reality coming apart at the seams?
Seven: "You must release me. Voyager's in danger. Not from the Kazon, but from an act of sabotage. I've been sent here to stop it." Janeway: "You're not going anywhere until you tell me what's happening." Ah, yes, another example of Insaneway. Seven JUST TOLD HER what was happening. Janeway shouldn't be in charge of a shuttlecraft.
I used to ask my wife, "What happened to her sister ?' Wife would say - "Her sister?" Yes her sister- 6 of 9. Then i would laugh at my sophomoric joke.
It is so wild you can just get up on youtube and repost Clips from movies in t v shows and just monetize. I really need to get on this because working suck.🤝👍👌👋
7 of 9 is astonishingly beautiful and well built! Most Star Trek fans were young men between the ages of 13 and 22. When 7 of 9 started, the actress, Jeri Ryan, said at a Trekkie Conference interview that she _"certainly appealed to the demographic!"_ 🤣 {:o:O:}
"My name is 7 of 9. I am here to talk to you about Voyager's extended warranty"
LOL. Thanks
Literally
LMAO THAT WAS FUNNY THX FOR THE LAUGH
how is this not top?
"The forcefield is blocking our communication"
"Compensate"
"Ah, good idea sir, glad to have you, I as the communications officer would never had this idea on my own!"
Classic management.
It's not even "helpful" jargon, it's just a single-word for "well, try and fix it".
The best part is they're Starfleet from the future so you'd think they'd have Voyager's specs and be able to bypass automatically
They didn't even reverse the polarity or invert the phase! WHAT IS THIS, AMATEUR HOUR?!
Amateurs. I bet they never once thought of turning it off and back on again. It's right there on the checklist!
Tuvok: "It's bullshit but I believe it."
So he finally found shit then 🤣
The Vulcan science academy has stated….
Only a Vulcan can think like that! 😊
It's bullshit... but it's very good bullshit.
@@Avallachgrey after all, bulls do have to shit, it's a known and agriculturally ideal phenomenon, better than a constipated bull
"My name is 7 of 9. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Kodan armada."
"My name is Carter, Major Samantha Carter."
You mean Clan Jade Falcon
@@schumi9xwdcyou dare refuse my batchal?!
😂 great!
Greetings, starfighter.
I like that Seven's loyalty and devotion to Janeway, Voyager, and crew, outweighed the duty to stick to the temporal prime directive. Another Kirk-esque, "To hell with the rules" moment.
Yay! Breaking the law just because you care about someone is fantastic!
Especially when the law in this case is meant to protect billions from having their past erased.
I love the way Hollywood depicts reckless behavior as "You had the power all along" Disney stuff.
@@harrymills2770 Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t. Fortunately for Star Trek, the franchise also has plenty of examples of characters breaking the rules and facing serious consequences for it, often death of a loved one. It’s a show about being human, and part of the human experience is to be torn between following authority and defying authority to follow your convictions.
Kirk was a boy scout with the personality of a cowboy, picard was the cowboy with the personality of a boy scout.
“To hell with our orders”.
I watched Voyager with my two young daughters. I wanted them to see a leader who understood her flaws but made decisions based on information and discussion. They both ended up professionals, one in the military and one in health service. I am so proud of them and hope that maybe Voyager drove home some leadership concepts. Great show!
Definitely flawed. A DEI Star Fleet promotion.
I always thought Janeway made the wrong choice most of the time. She made choices based on emotion and was often tyrannical and without humility. I hope your daughters took Janeway's desire to do the right thing and left the pompous attitude behind.
What a wonderful way to parent! You make me think of all the engineers who were inspired by Scotty and LaForge, and the hose who went into medicine because of Dr. McCoy
. 😊
@@tmac9208 Every time Janeway dismissed 7 of 9's advice it went badly. EVERY TIME!
I like that it’s Tuvok of all people who starts to chip away at Janeway’s doubt before Seven finally convinces her
Kathryn trusts Tuvok more than probably anyone CURRENTLY in Starfleet .... cuz he's known her the longest, he's been in Starfleet the longest (of anyone she knows), and his Vulcan DNA allows him to be about as impartial AND pragmatic as any humanoid could possibly be.
Reminds me of Data jumping in to vouch for the logic of Picard when no one believes he’s jumping through time in All Good Things
one of the Sherlock Holmes stories has a line about impossible vs implausible, i forget exactly how it goes but it's along the same lines as Occam's Razor
@@CorvusCorone68 "If you eliminate the impossible whatever remains, however illogical (unlikely), must be the truth."
@@Barry.Hughes isn´t that also what spock says in either the undiscovered country or i think New Star trek?
That "tempus fugit" always makes me laugh, somehow it perfectly encapsulates the combination of "this is all going to hell" and "screw it, let's try her plan and see what happens"
fuck around, and find out.
....add in that it involves time travel and you've got a trifecta.
ya know that part "When you take me from the borg" is a very strong sentence because it makes Janeway realize she saved Seven From the collective and gave her back her humanity....that probably hit janeway hard here is a woman that has borg in her but yet she has her individuality back EPIC
Ok, the missing comma made me think you empathised the implants being in her behind 😂
@@Hioaragar Technically they did. They used double conjunctions; thus, the first conjunction is most likely a noun.
Braxton: That's nothing. I once built a parade float out of a Lincoln Continental. Ramming speed!!!
😅
Was that after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
This was a fun episode. Nice to see the producers acknowledging Janeway's changing hairstyles.
Season 5, I still consider this the best season of Voyager. I bought this season on DVD in the early 2000s.
Janeway "You're from another time?"
Seven "Yes."
Braxton "Nooo..."
Makes me crack up every... time 😆
She had already said she couldn't answer her questions because it would violate the temporal prime directive. That was the slip. After that, there was no harm in saying "Yes" to being from another time.
lulzzzzz
Braxton: ... But Why!?
"Sir, our 29th century technology is being blocked by their 24th century force fields."
Newer tech doesn't necessarily mean stronger tech
@@Zenoff64 its over a span of 500 years, shouldnt they be comparing it like a horse and wagon and a car by this point when it comes to forcefields? Or did technology become stagnant the last 500 years?
@@Zentiu Technology adapts to what's needed, leaving behind what's irrelevant. The tech needed to bypass their force fields might not be required anymore, since that version of shields are long obsolete.
If every lock is a digital card key, a deadbolt lock is king, since the tools required to pick it aren't around anymore.
@@Eidlones So, they're not thinking about coming across a new alien hostile race that happens to have those kinds of shields and attacking them for their own reason? Id call that negligence. :P
About your deadbolt lock, who is to say someone wouldnt be like 'hey, let me see how i can pick this lock. let me make the tools for it. Let me ask my replicator to make one for me. Hey, im going to a time where such technology exists, let me prepare myself just in case.' Jumping in blind timetraveling to a time that has already been, which they got extensive record of, blows my mind tbh. But maybe im the only one who thinks like that?
Oh, btw tldr, i loved the voyager series and this episode. it was different then the usual thing which i liked. Even the twist at the end who the culprit was.
I can't believe I just realized Braxton's actor also appeared as an Earth Alliance captain on Babylon 5 during their rebellion arc. Seems Voyager had a few of them.
Major Ryan!
Not to mention he was 'god' (or whomever..) in the final episode of Quantum Leap original series... time travel...
His agent double-booked him...
He was also det korsack on rizzoli and. isles. Hes a cool dude.
Oh and law abiding citizen
He was also "D-Day" in Animal House.
I never thought I'd see Bruce McGill in a serious on Star Trek as a Captain! Nice to see Jay Karnes too.
2:06 Telling you that I can't answer questions because I'd violate the temporal prime directive... IS A VIOLATION OF THE TEMPORAL PRIME DIRECTIVE.
Timeship, several hundred years more advanced. Blocked by forcefields
Satellite phones, GPS, Bluetooth.... foiled by a metal roof.
level 10 force field.
@@James_Bee or even concrete for that matter
I can’t hear you. Uses other ear to restore communication.
All the ridiculously impossible physics and impossible time travel throughout Star Trek, and you think forcefields are possible? If you accept one fraud, why not accept them all?
Even seasoned sci-fi fans get confused with this episode a bit but they did a great job balancing the "Episode of TV" vs tropes and pulled it off. Real fun seeing the ship and crew in drydock and unseasoned.
What was confusing...?
@@DisgruntledDoomer "seasoned sci fans" wont get confused on a simple time paradox as this,which isn't even a paradox
I love Braxton's response when Janeway starts to poke and prod... he's just like "What is WITH this insufferable woman who's a constant pain in my ass? I'd throw her in a temporal brig for all the damage she does to the timeline on a daily basis, but my superiors won't let me... CONFOUND YOU JANEWAY! YOU DRIVE ME TO DRINK!"
Seven is very effective here and, unusually, opens up and shows some vulnerability in order to get Janeway on side.
They had such a fantastic on-screen presence.. it's so sad they didn't get along.
Seven's speech about trust is excellent. Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew were good together.
well except they HATED each other IRL ...
@@Asghaad That's what I'd heard too. Must have been very difficult to act together, over such a long period of time, with all that animosity always bubbling under the surface.
No idea why they disliked each other, but I'm willing to bet that Kate Mulgrew felt threatened by Jeri Ryans superior looks and sheer sexiness ! I guess I would too, but as a man, I'd find a way to deal with that.......😈
@@Asghaad More like KM hated/was jealous-of JR.
@@jamesbarbour8400 KM thought she could pull off being a great ST captain. That they chose to bring in another woman, with the superior looks and sheer sexiness, proved KM was NOT "pulling off" being a great ST captain that could support the show with adequate ratings by herself.
@@kristend344 I would also agree with that assertion good sir.
One of my favorite tv shows. 📺 😊
What a great clip! And there's a very young Jay Karnes sitting at the time console in front of Captain Braxton. Karnes has played supporting roles in so many series. One of my favorites was as FBI agent Robert Gale in 12 Monkeys.
And Dutch Wagenbach from the SHIELD.
And Captain Brexton as Matuzak in Timecop. :)
Don't forget FBI agent Wells in the more recent TV series Star Trek: Picard :).
I like how they brought back Braxton in this episode. At the time of original airing, this episode wasn't my favorite. However, rewatching now its a fantastic episode and I've learned to appreciate it more. I do have one question: what about the temporal prime directive in this case? Seven telling the past Janeway that she is from the future. YIKES. I'm with Janeway on this one: Time travel gives me a headache!
Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey, as the Doctor would say.
the episode sucked then and it sucks now -- janeway is HORRIBLE, STUPID and INCOMPETENT
At the end of the episode Braxton tells them exactly when he boards so that they can go back and stop him without causing damage to the timeline... before any of this happens, preventing the multiple "incursions" 7 made.
Miles O'Brian (1): "Wait, if you are me, and you are from the past, and you are sick ... shouldn't I be sick now?"
Miles O'Brian (2): "..."
Miles O'Brian (1): "..."
Both in unison: "I hate time travel!"
@@jamesgravil9162you left out the most important word of the Doctor's sentence: stuff.😂
Chakotay: "Did you say Borg?" 🤣
One of my favorite running jokes in Voyager is Janeway's distaste for Time Travel shenanigans.
"Listen. I don't care about the HOW, just tell me what to shoot"
Did some research...Captain Braxton played D-Day in 1978's National Lampoon's Animal House.
or quantum leap the pilot of the series.
tbh the temporal prime directive seems a bit pointless if it dosnt include a clause thats like "If you see someone on your ship that is clearly from the future and dosnt just kill you on the spot, follow what they say without question"
“Ramming Speed!!!”
oops wrong role
*Janeway:* Who sent you?
*Seven:* I can't tell you that. I would be risking damage to the timeline.
*Janeway:* I don't care if History Itself comes unraveled, I wanna know why you're on my ship!
Ah, Captain Janeway. Who cares if all of reality comes undone? She wants to know why an unauthorized person is on her ship.
In fairness to Janeway, there’s zero evidence being presented with that statement to support it.
It would be like if you went to Fort Knox and said you needed to get inside the vault but couldn’t say why other than that it is a matter of the entire fabric of space and time.
It foreshadows Janeway in the later episodes. We know her character. We know how she views tampering the timeline vs doing her job.
In the words of the Dragonborn, the next timeline will have to take care of itself.
Liberal logic in action.
3:55 Tempus Fugue-It - a great jazz song and a title or phrase, tempus fugit, for other greatness. "Time flies" - Latin
Really I Miss the Times of this Show my friends. Thanks.
My friends and I had lan-parys in my apartment when Voyager was on Swedish TV in those days. Everyone stopped gaming and watched the new episode. Then we like had a 10 minutes breakdown of the episode. Started to game again silent realizing we had to wait a week for next episode. Yes that was the times I miss very much. :)
@@tommykarlberg Yes People. Was a Great Age and was a Great Show. Greetings.
One of my fav VOY episodes
The coolest bit of technobabble in such a concise time. Time travelling ship and crew with a healed-Borg member of another crew attempting to prevent a disaster in the future in the other side of the Milky Way galaxy on a human spaceship manufactured in Utopia Planetia shipyards.
If I were in charge of an organisation of scifi timecops the first thing I'd do is make using the phrase 'tempus fugit' a court martial offence.
ya well i would ensure outlawing puns is a war crime, as the head of the Pun Protection Police
2:11
This reaction honestly made me laugh. XD
I watched the series on DVD. I missed a few episodes. I missed this one.
Sensors are down weapons are down helm not responding toilets won't flush. Happens every time
Great sci-fi!
Nice to see the great Jay Karnes. :)
I dunno if I like how they handled Braxton. Is this where he was placed under arrest before committing any crimes? The logic of arresting someone before they've committed a crime runs contradictory to everything the Federation/Starfleet stands for. It's all too convenient even for the purposes of wrapping this all up in one episode.
Yes. By the end of the show, there's actually 3 Braxton's. One of the last lines in the show is all three will be properly reintegrated in time for their trial. In this instance this is an issue of temporal mechanics. The Captain Braxton of the time ship Relativity hadn't done anything wrong yet, he was only working to stop a temporal criminal w/out knowing the temporal criminal was a future him. But you lock Captain Braxton up after you figure out its the future version of him so the present version of him can't interfere with his own apprehension. After they're integrated, the Captain Braxton would face trial to prevent him from further access to time travel. Then the other 2 Braxton's would face an account of criminal time travel with charges of attempted ship destruction and murder of the Voyager crew and actual destruction and murder of the Voyager crew. Then an exo-temporal record of the events would be made and Braxton would be arrested shortly before making the jump to Voyager to plant the bomb.
@@thomasschulz2167 Do you have a source or is this from the logic of fandom?
@@Twister6424 Neither. Ducane (Braxton's first officer) mentions as much in the episode. So, I guess you could say the "Source" is the episode itself or were you not paying attention? The only bit of speculation he has here is likely the last 2 sentences. The rest isn't.
Given that the prime timeline doesn't have these events in play, doing as Ducane pointed out and reintegrating them before the trial effectively makes the entire jumping through time "un-happen". So, Janeway never encounters Braxton as a criminal on her ship up until the season 5 Prime timeline Janeway travels back to apprehend him. Beyond that, her timeline never intersected and she didn't meet him in the corridors earlier in her own timestream as a result.
But, as Janeway once said, "Time travel. Since my first day on the job as a Starfleet captain I swore I'd never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes - the future is the past, the past is the future, it all gives me a headache." Ironically, of course, she ends up in multiple temporal paradoxes and really doesn't remember them. (Time and Again being in season 1 where it actually "first" happens in the series.)
@@IamJustJ. Let me help you out here, skippy. It's cute that you asked if I was paying attention. I offered my opinion of this episode, I never said I didn't understand it (as much as someone could understand a sci-fi episode's explanation of time travel and the multiple universe idea).
Your comment is typical of some dude that tries to answer a question that was never there. Not only that, your attempt to sound smart is based on circular logic. You strike me as one of those guys that believes yelling the same exact thing louder and louder makes your answer more valid.
Let me dumb it down for you since you not only missed answering this question the first time, but you're a year late. Just because you buy into the BS of a sci-fi episode doesn't make it any more valid. You actually support my point that this episode is "convenient" in that the three Braxtons will reintegrate. How nice a story like that is tied up in a simple explanation that tries to combine multiple and single universe ideas. Why is there a "reintegration" if there are multiple universes all of which have their own existence and own outcomes?
And you clearly missed the underlying point of the second question that I asked, "if there was a source or if it was the logic of fandom." Let me dumb it down for you again since you're not paying attention. While good on you for quoting an episode, at the end of it all you're still talking out of your ass...and what's worse, you're doing it with such authority.
I like this episode except for a 29th century ship unable to cut through Voyager shields. Didn't make sense to me. I know the story had to continue.
and 7 being unable to disable the shields -- ridiculous
"My name is 7 of 9, is now a good time to talk about our lord and savior Q"
She's 7 of 9? I'm 9 of 7! What a world we live in!
Braxton would freak out if he were to find out he's going to be an Earth Force captain abandoning Earth Force and siding with Babylon 5. He'd just freak... LOL
Sounds like Terminator 2 almost, just missing John Conner lol
D-Day! Love Bruce McGill
Later to be Colonel Fisk of the Battlestar Pegasus😊
Actually not. This is Bruce McGill, Fisk was played by Graham Beckel. They do look similar, though.
OMG, he's still wearing those fingerless gloves. -C
Braxton was so messed up, he turned into a completely different person
So good, but as someone from the future it’s a pity she didn’t warn us of the crappy SciFi we are getting in 2023
Yup. Sci-if no longer questions the dominant paradigm. Sci-fi was originally insurgent and rebellious, pushing back against the rigid corporate conformity of the 1950s. Now all we have is corporate sci-fi.
It'll all work out.
In the top 5 best episodes of Voyager, best episode is the last one
Keeps showing up in my recommended, but with a different thumbnail.
Nobody messes with Jeneway,her ship,her crue... Even if the Universe collapses 😂
her motley crue; now i wanna see a Star Trek sea shanty
@@CorvusCorone68 They tried that, but standing on the hull led to trips to the med bay so they did away with such ideas.
Seven: I cant tell you anything
Baxton: yes!
Seven: Im from the future
Baxton: nooo!
How did Janeway come up with an approximate date for the disaster before Seven offered the information? Telepathy?
Lieutenant! Are you hungry like the wolf?
I went to see a punk band once, I was 4 of 11 in the crowd 🤣
7 of 9!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
♥️🔥🔥🔥🔥♥️
LOL i'll be damned, wasn't that Bruce McGill of Rizzoli & Isles ?
D-Day from Animal House
“Ramming Speed!”
San Antonio native
I haven’t seen this ep in years so I don’t recall if minds get wiped.
Do we ever get a moment in which “present” Janeway retroactively remembers all these moments of meeting 7?
It was sort of fixed with no mind wipes to stop Braxton in Utopia Planica and such.
@@stuartmcclurey9926 this seems like English, so I will thank you for your response. 😊
So the future time agency didn't give 7 of 9 a cover story then? Was there no briefing before they sent her back? Amateurs!
So, "Daniel Simpson Day" becomes a time/starship captain? Nice... Good ol' Bruce McGill.... ;-)
It is DUTCH from “The Shield”.
D-day on the deck
"There is a saboteur on this ship"
"You're not going anywhere until you tell me what's happening"
Perfect example of how bad the writers really were for this show.
I remember there were inconsistencies between episodes and characters forgetting lessons learned, but this was pure stupidity.
Janeway asks a question she was JUST given the answer to before even asking it.
Great job writers. 🤣
7 of 9 can assimilate me without resistance ❤
This episode explained why Janeway was so dogmatic about keeping 7 of 9 with the crew. She understood how important she was to the time line.
Actually, it's a story and Janeway is a fictional character. Why the makers were keen to keep Jeri Ryan on the show maybe because she is a very attractive lady and a good actor.
Should have said: „How are you doing mom?”
I always wondered why the Time Commission wasn't scareaming bloody murder at Janeway going back in time to get voyager home sooner.
most likely thing is that without that specific change the Federation ceases to exist at some point after so for them to even exist that time jump has to happen making it a "proper" sequence of events
In Beta Canon this is explained by the Temporal Accords not applying retroactively
Good ol' 44 of D's....
The way he says "tempus fugit" tells me he's said that before.
It's probably his catchphrase amongst his friends. ...to which they scream internally every time he says it.
Brother D-Day!
This is when the show got good.
Every single time the "Temporal Prime Directive" comes up in this show it's always "Screw the TPD I wanna know stuff!" I mean really, does nobody in Starfleet actually give a damn about reality coming apart at the seams?
I mean, has anyone reeealllly proven it does?
Causality's been bent into a pretzel so often in Trek that doing it a couple more times probably won't break anything important.
Arggg the way the pronounces "tempus fugit"
Better than being 9 of 7. Then you would be superfluous.
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Seven: "You must release me. Voyager's in danger. Not from the Kazon, but from an act of sabotage. I've been sent here to stop it."
Janeway: "You're not going anywhere until you tell me what's happening."
Ah, yes, another example of Insaneway. Seven JUST TOLD HER what was happening. Janeway shouldn't be in charge of a shuttlecraft.
1:34 Me when people talk to the protagonist in a movie.
I used to ask my wife, "What happened to her sister ?' Wife would say - "Her sister?" Yes her sister- 6 of 9. Then i would laugh at my sophomoric joke.
Okay, I for sure misheard "Erect a level 10 forcefield around that section." I misheard the first few words as a type of thermometer.
I met 7 of 9 at a club in Los Angeles. She always was awesome.
It is so wild you can just get up on youtube and repost Clips from movies in t v shows and just monetize. I really need to get on this because working suck.🤝👍👌👋
Dude, where is MacGyver???
7 or 9 was one of the best parts of Voyager. I'm not sure it's because the actress playing the character is so beautiful, but that part didn't hurt.
She should have been called '6 of 9'
And the person they find is quite a surprise! (Or at least it was when I first watched this episode back in the day.)
😎
That dude acts and looks like Chris Christie
Force fileds, blocking communication...... through time...... a 4th dimension..... not remotley related to the 3 defining the fields......
7 of 9 is astonishingly beautiful and well built! Most Star Trek fans were young men between the ages of 13 and 22.
When 7 of 9 started, the actress, Jeri Ryan, said at a Trekkie Conference interview that she _"certainly appealed to the demographic!"_ 🤣
{:o:O:}
Best temporal episode ever
I dunno... Shattered is RIGHT THERE.
@@mattnewmark7607 I really do love that episode too.
every time I hear "I am 7 of 9" I want to see 9 of 9 darn it, cause she has to look EVEN HOTER!
Why is this so dark?
2:18 Yea, that makes you a bad captain...
The video's posting date is 40 years in the future. No wonder Google is in trouble..,
That's the name of the channel.
7 of 9 got a purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdy mouth [in the voice of that one rendeck from the movie Deliverance]
Or indeed Mr Garrison from South Park, Mkay ! 🤣