the probablity is that they are in an unstable subspace area due to the Omega test carried out by the aliens. so a higher warp speed is either unattainable or would possibly damage subspace further while damaging their own warp drive. doesnt help they were going to destroy more omega molecules that have a chance of damaging subspace completely while the effect/instability be pulled by a strong warp field. the whole premise of Omega is that its unstable/unpredictable. its the same as the Genesis device. which apparently Kirk is somehow involved with both events. well, at least section 31 wasnt involved with Genesis.. i hope
When you're playing a lawful good playthrough and can't do the final side quest for your favorite evil companion the way they want but also don't want them to leave the party.
Only if you acknowledge it. Besides, this still the 25% difference from canon they have been using since 2009. This is alt -Star Trek and it's all. garbage.
That was a massive discovery 7 made. Really Voyager discovered and learned to use so much tech that the ship can conquer the Alpha, Delta, and Gamma quadrants by itself the only known enemy that posed a real threat would be 8472 and the Voth. Imagine Voyager with slipstream, coaxial warp, that future armor, transphasic torpedoes, isokinetic cannons, the ability to utilize null space, regenerative nanotech and bio tech systems, mass replication abilities neutronium hull and super structure. All this and more all powered by Omega.
@@joebauers4224 not without reason...Omega wasnt just powerful, it was TOO powerful, too dangerous...its not comparable to atomic power in the slightest, that power is, at the very least, predictable. Omega is very much not...just look how Omega spontaneously started stabilizing at the very last second for no discernible reason...
@@joebauers4224 actually, i am not, in fact, a trekie, and no, the comparison still cannont be made between atomic power and Omega. Omega would be better equated to Discoverys 'Burn', a quadrant wide disaster if the tiniest thing goes wrong with trying to use it. could it be done? sure, probably, but the cost in life and material would be enormous just in the research alone, and then theres always the possibility of that tech being converted into a dreadful weapon. the star trek verse relies on Warp Drive to work, without that FTL tech, the Federation, the Klingon Empire, Romulins, Cardasians, everyones interstellar empire falls apart in a heartbeat because suddenly, ur cut off completely from ur colony worlds and allies. no subspace, no warp travel, no subspace comms...nothing... atomics dont even hold a candle to the enormity of the problem...
The dialogue on this scene seems to be pretty incoherent. Why is Tom Paris not being relived from duty for ignoring an order to go to maximum warp, as he effectively went to 'minimum warp' to escape the highly serious situation. why would he even randomly decide to do that - just felt like disobeying orders and possibly endanger the ship for the kicks?
@@s2k997 Given various circumstances, perhaps warp 1 WAS the maximum that was possible to go to safely, I'm just guessing since I don't remember the episode offhand, but that would be a pretty egregious oversight if that wasn't the case.
Gonna assume the "maximum warp" -> "warp one" thing is because they went maximum for only a bit to get the distance, then drifted to one to preserve energy.
LOL! I like the sentiment brother, but like the Omega molecule--I'm pretty sure a line like that isn't going to go well with the ladies on the outside.
Kate Mulgrew (Janeway) was upset that the show's directors were using the 's3xual' angle with 7of9 and her catsuit. Mulgrew thought Voyager would be a step away from that, and then they brought in Ryan. The two eventually 'squashed the beef'.
Chakotay screwed up here. Not calling red alert before an imminent engagement was a critical error. They could’ve damaged voyager significantly in the first blast.
"not even a single molecule can remain, you know I'm right" "This'll take a while, can we increase it?" "That would break the chamber" "How many would we get rid of in the process?' "40-50%" "Eh, good enough, the torpedo can take care of the rest" Sometime later "72%? Good enough" Like...I get it, and it does work and make sense, but the tone and attitude shift there....
@@brll5733 if they hadn't emphasized how even a single molecule could wreck subspace for several light years and a handful could do it for a whole quadrant, and that they specifically were seeking this stuff out to destroy it utterly, putting themselves IN that danger... Also just realized it's another time that if voyager had actually had supply and energy issues due to being stranded in a distant quadrant, having a limitless source of power would actually have been good and tempting.
Agreed, the writing of this is loopy. The same character going from talking about Omega an absolute overriding importance to effectively and carefully handle the destruction of Omega to avoid an unprecedented universe-changing accident, that even a single molecule would be devastating - to basically carelessly throwing around increasingly lax and inconsistent statements that crudely blowing up a container of thousands, even possibly millions, of molecules with a torpedo to save... 10 minutes over doing it safely. Either Janeway was supposed to appear to be a desperate and reckless idiot, or the writers needed to go through a few more drafts to avoid that clear appearance.
What they don't realize is that the Omega molecules had stabilized only because of the presence of the harmonic field intensity inside that harmonic chamber. Once the harmonics were to be decreased, even in the slightest, the entire Omega structure would chain-react, resulting in a massive explosion. Destroying the chamber with the Omega particles inside of it was the best thing to do.
@@Aeroldoth3 Problem: There's no reason to suspect he's wrong. While abandoning all research in all circumstances is sheer idiocy, Voyager herself was NOT in a position to conduct experiments with Omega.
@@RyvakenI don't really remember the episode but I don't recall anything about the chamber being responsible for stability, hence my question to OP. I disliked the episode in general as I felt the logic involved by the captain was ignorant and arrogant.
A perfect moment in voyager. Janeway and seven show off impressive acting chops when dealing with the subtleties of discontent, disobedience, submission to a rank structure, humility, frustration and a couple dozen more things... All in a couple of minutes in an episode filled with faux science that feels very contrived, a bunch of aliens of the week that are never mentioned again and an explosion that doesn't really make any sense. It's like they had a few premium ingredients, but had no idea how to combine them properly. The sum of the parts somehow always ended being less than what the actors put in.
All in a couple of minutes in an episode filled with faux science that feels very contrived, a bunch of aliens of the week that are never mentioned again and an explosion that doesn't really make any sense. So every Trek episode then?
@@brll5733 Well no. This is a glimmer of greatness in a series otherwise markedly mediocre. I would consider Voyager to be below the curve for "every Trek episode", but at the same time, I recognize how Star Trek is at its essence, just storytelling using a variety of fictional elements to build stories about the human condition. Originally, it was contrived as a "Western in Space", but once Gene got comfortable with the medium, he realized he could branch out and tell bigger stories. This is basically what defines all good storytelling, regardless of whether it's two races with white and black skin colors furiously at war with the other race with the colors flipped, Pavel Chekov going back in time a few centuries and asking people on the street in his Russian accent where he might find some "nuclear wessels" at the height of the cold war, Data wrestling with the strange concept of dreams, emotions and the nature of life, which might be different from others around him, or the struggles that Seven had to deal with as she came to terms with her individuality, humanity and fallibility as she makes mistakes along the way. Fiction is a way of holding up a mirror to ourselves in a way that doesn't show a direct reflection of what is, but rather what could be - good or bad. This continued throughout much of the franchise until it reached the woke era, where the woke agenda pushers realized they could co-opt the storytelling to push a political ideology and secular cult. Kind of the opposite of the glimmers of greatness. A bit more like sampling a fine, well-aged wine, then noticing that the rim of the glass is not clean and has a strange smudge on it, then looking at the person who handed you the glass and realizing that they wiped their ass and didn't wash their hands and have a little something brown on their fingertips... and in your mouth...
Lots of people like to point out the episode structure difference between Voyager and DS9 that DS9 had more continuity between episodes that affected all future episodes. But can't that also just be related back to the fact that Voyager is a ship that travels light years between episodes through uncharted space whereas DS9 has much more time to make continuations possible? TNG is the same as Voyager in this regard and kept introducing new aliens and conflicts every other episode. So why do people like TNG so much and give Voyager so much crap? I think it's because all those aliens that were introduced in TNG were later fleshed out in DS9. DS9 made TNG better, Voyager has no such build up. There's other reasons too of course but I don't see many people acknowledging this.
With that amount of Omega power, Voyager could replicate a whole ship that can replicate automatic warp-capable shuttles. The shuttles can decloak and attack any enemy of Voyager. (shhh, the heck with Romulan treaty; we're in the Delta quadrant)
Oh hell yeah good idea. Really Voyager discovered and learned to use so much tech that the ship can conquer the Alpha, Delta, and Gamma quadrants by itself the only known enemy that posed a real threat would be 8472 and the Voth. Imagine Voyager with slipstream, coaxial warp, that future armor, transphasic torpedoes, isokinetic cannons, the ability to utilize null space, regenerative nanotech and bio tech systems, mass replication abilities neutronium hull and super structure. All this and more all powered by Omega.
In my subjective opinion, Janeway could have been tempted with the right argument to use Omega as a power booster if and only if the Borg were not in the picture. Imagine if a complete Omega fell into the hands of the Borg. Resistance would truly be futile.
@@richardlamarre3610 no no no silly do you not know the universe exists in a state of absolute zero so for all the matter in it there is an equal amount of vacuum or empty space for all the energy there is an equal amount of no energy so omega is a myth told to kids so they behave and do not make weapons to kill us all with plain and simple🤣🤣🤣
I just realized that Chakotay's "I need Warp speed in ten seconds..." is a re-state of Kirk's command to Scotty right before they dumped the Genesis Device in ST3.
This is one of those episodes that really brought to mind what if you did see bonafide perfection or got to witness it happen with your own eyes. How would that make you feel or what would you think about witnessing something so significant that it could possibly change you and and how you think or view the world. To the borg this is essentially the closest thing they have to some form of god for them. What if one day you saw this exact thing?
My mind blanked most of it out. A circular screen of hazy gray, shading to central black, shielded the supernova like intensity of its core. It’s periphery was a pulsing, nacreous lumen radiating an integrated power a thousand orders of magnitude greater than I. But we were the same. “You look like me”, I said, and laughed. A spark to a great inferno.
Fun Fact: After Voyager, an idea to continue Star Trek was an animated web series about an "apocalyptic" future where an attack of omega molecule bombs left most of the Alpha Quadrant cut off and the Federation broken.
Blame the woke idiots helming masquerading as writers for the current Star Trek. Seriously, what was that filth? Every episode had every member crying and turning into a giant hugbox. WTF happened to Star Trek???
I mean if you're going to reduce the plot that much, sure. But if you want to be honest and talk about what happened that's better. Personally I like the idea that the Burn was caused by concentrated unstable dilithium sending subspace harmonics across the galaxy that shattered the crystals, and having it linked to someone who was genetically altered to survive the intense radiation isn't that bad of a concept (Star Trek has had worse many times). Was it a bit much having it be a Kelpian? Sure. But the plot overall was fine and I think people just wanted an excuse to hate on Discovery yet again.
I always thought Chakotay screwed up here, if he said “I’m going to destroy the molecules” instead “I’m keeping the molecules” he could of probably bought more time at least if not get them to stop attacking altogether.
I agree that Chakotay could have done a lot better in his communication; as every minute counted in this situation, he could have bought several by dragging out the dialogue, rather than issuing a quick refusal, instantly resulting in a fire fight. Offer to negotiate with them, to return their crew and for one of their diplomats to come onboard to peacefully end the issue - even if this been a brief exchange, it would have bought precious minutes in which they weren't been fired at to neutralise as much of Omega as they could under safer conditions. They could have also lied by agreeing to return Omega, and dragging their heels over doing so - their patience wouldn't last long, but again, it would have led to a delay in reaching the fire fight. Heck, even telling them "These are incredibly dangerous and may destroy all ships in the vicinity" might haven given them pause - you are also correct that it's better to communicate that their intent is to destroy Omage out of the danger, rather than the more convention motive of profit/greed, that they were intending to keep it. Beats me what he was thinking... or rather the script writers on this one.
11% *1m 20s later* 18% "This could take hours" Okay so I have maths revision to do and I'm bored so 7% in 80s, so ~ 11.4s per so 937s for the last 82% So 15m 40s 1m 40s later: "80% remaining" So 20% (Assuming the bridge scene happens simultaneously we can ignore those 52s: 1m 40s - 52s = 48s) 2% change, so 24s per so 32m for the remaining 80% 13s later: 72% remaining so 8% change or 1.6s per so 1m 55s Star Trek is pretty good if you just watch it, and this scene is great, but when you actually pay attention most of the stuff just doesn't make sense
That is because star trek was created by a libtard. Who did not want a religious human society. Just one based off of socialism. Communism, and other true social retarded perspectives. Which explaines why the majority. Of the human population became absolutely Dumb in the brain.
@@ariesmight6978 mate... There are plenty of fictional shows that simply don't make sense when you start breaking them down... Star trek is hardly any different. Keep your political bias out of places it has no real business being in. So what if the ideas come from a philosophy you don't agree with? So long as people can still differentiate between fiction and fact, fantasy vs reality who gives a flying fuck where the origin is from so long as people are entertained and creativity can be explored? FYI, since I am on the subject... From a purely secular standpoint most everything religious theology teaches regarding human history, and our existence cannot reasonably be confirmed as true, especially many of the supposed events claimed by several religions. So please, don't go mocking something else without taking stock of your own "fantasy's"
@@ariesmight6978 It would be so much fun if in a Star Trek episode they discovered a cryotank and wake up a person like you who start calling everyone on the ship libtards and soyboys and calling everything retarded. They would take this person to sick bay assuming them to be mad from space sickness or something, but no, it's just a political reactionary from 2020.
Both you @@DEMONIK1149 and Tim MD. Need to educate yourselves. About the individual who. I am talking about before. You run your ignorant minded mind's. Through your mouths.
@@ariesmight6978 says the man going off about anti religious socialist nonsense... It's a fucking show dude, political opinions don't carry a hell of a lot of weight when it comes to fiction. If you're going to talk about ignorance or judging a show by the beliefs of it's writers I have some really bad news for you and your perceived "ignorance." Pretty sure I'd be wasting my time though.
"I won't all this substance to fall into enemy hands; I'll destroy it first!" Oh, really? Great! Be my guest. We were going to blow up a chamber, but you'd be doing us a favor.
@@jimbophoenix No, it really is not. You are "rating" a woman like she is an object on a quanifiable scale. One of many whom likely does not need nor invite the chauvanistic sexual degradation that actually is in your public display. Which is pig headed, out dated and a perverse thought process of yours, like a female requires your "approval". You really do need to leave the 1960's in the past. Women have rights and not one of them was born asking for a number from a man to be granted them to validate their existence . STOP THINKING WITH YOUR TINY nuts.
The most short-sighted bad decision Captain Janeway ever made. And she made a lot.! These are decisions based off of fear. She could have learned something from Captain Picard. TNG of course.
Janeway had very bad writers for her character - the actress did a good job with what she had - but there were a ton of incidents in which her character did things that did not make sense for someone of the rank and capability of a star fleet captain.
that was a weird episode. first they say *ONE* molecule is devastating, then they say HUNDREDS are incredibly worse, and THEN they have a whole tank full, and they just blow them up?
The struggle is real. I had always waited for the episode where Seven knocks Janeway on her ass and initiates her own plan. If Seven ever went rogue I don't think they would be able to handle her.
Robert Maxwell Janeway needed to be knocked on her ass multiple times. She was a terrible captain. She had no vision and no flexibility. In truth, the crew should’ve revolted and threw her in the brig
That one time she did go rouge (The Raven) they couldn't handle her and she left the ship to fly into hostile alien territory. Tbh, Seven was a complete loose cannon at the worst of times.
They went from 11% to 18% in the span of 80 seconds and Janeway say "this could take hours". Chakotay tells Paris they need maximum warp. Paris says they're at warp one. I know Voyager was notorious for the lack of consistency between episodes, but this isn't even consistent within a single scene!
Glad you saw it too, at least some can! What were they thinking in the writers room with these pointless additional lines of dialogue to contradict themselves - they didn't need Paris to say that line that made them look stupid, but somebody wrote it that way. Janeway's grasp on mathematics is... pathetic; and the caution she supposedly had for the danger of one single molecule being dropped at a whim for "hey, let's just blow up the remaining 72%, I'm certain that won't wipe out all warp travel throughout the galaxy for some reason".
This is the Seven Of Nine I know and adore,not whatever it was they did to the character in Picard. Thank God Picard is in an alternate timeline and not the real timeline.
Obviously they couldn't keep this omega particle because it would end the plot of the show, but it always annoyed me how little Star Trek would use previously revealed technology. "Let's use this magic to solve this one problem and then forget it ever existed!"
Episodic tv eh? What about star Trek 2009 where they manage to beam on to ships in warp long ways away, or Into Darkness where they cure death with a few drops of blood from someone they have in captivity?@@Aeroldoth3
@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 Except Seven herself said that the stabilization was completely random, which means nothing Seven was doing was actually stabilizing the molecules
Wow moments…. Not only in Star Trek history…. for those of you who don’t know…. But wow moments, in women’s roles in history…. Landmark roles for women… is Star Trek Voyager.
went from 11% to 18% in about a minute and a half. i mean, i think they could have waited the other 10 minutes and 30 seconds instead of blowing things up. A song in an MP3 file took about 20 minutes to download on dialup in 1999.
That was many years of work for the species to be able to get omega. They have been alerted to how bad it is, and how it shouldn't be used. Regardless, it will take them a long time to get back on their feet.
If only they waited just a little longer.
Omega was about to sing and dance.
"Hello my baby, hello my darling, hello my rag time gal..."
"Oh no, not again"
@@Nighthawke70 Check please.
ahh yes the tramp frog. A blast from the past. thnx.
@@Nighthawke70 ahh yes the tramp frog. A blast from the past. thnx.
"I need maximum warp"
"We're at warp one"....
Maximum possible warp with damage.
They were damaged and potentially disrupted.
😂
It's obvious that the engineer wasn't giving it all its got.
the probablity is that they are in an unstable subspace area due to the Omega test carried out by the aliens. so a higher warp speed is either unattainable or would possibly damage subspace further while damaging their own warp drive.
doesnt help they were going to destroy more omega molecules that have a chance of damaging subspace completely while the effect/instability be pulled by a strong warp field.
the whole premise of Omega is that its unstable/unpredictable.
its the same as the Genesis device. which apparently Kirk is somehow involved with both events.
well, at least section 31 wasnt involved with Genesis.. i hope
"We know that you want us to stabilize. Look! we can do it! look we're doing it! we'll be good we promise! please dont destroy us!"
When you're playing a lawful good playthrough and can't do the final side quest for your favorite evil companion the way they want but also don't want them to leave the party.
That is ... terrifyingly accurate.
Seven IS perfection
David Vegas EXACTLY
Meh, you're just interested in her Omega molecules.
Until STP ruined her
7/mine
Only if you acknowledge it. Besides, this still the 25% difference from canon they have been using since 2009. This is alt -Star Trek and it's all. garbage.
That was a massive discovery 7 made. Really Voyager discovered and learned to use so much tech that the ship can conquer the Alpha, Delta, and Gamma quadrants by itself the only known enemy that posed a real threat would be 8472 and the Voth. Imagine Voyager with slipstream, coaxial warp, that future armor, transphasic torpedoes, isokinetic cannons, the ability to utilize null space, regenerative nanotech and bio tech systems, mass replication abilities neutronium hull and super structure. All this and more all powered by Omega.
*Cries in Defiant*
@@joebauers4224 not without reason...Omega wasnt just powerful, it was TOO powerful, too dangerous...its not comparable to atomic power in the slightest, that power is, at the very least, predictable. Omega is very much not...just look how Omega spontaneously started stabilizing at the very last second for no discernible reason...
@@joebauers4224 actually, i am not, in fact, a trekie, and no, the comparison still cannont be made between atomic power and Omega. Omega would be better equated to Discoverys 'Burn', a quadrant wide disaster if the tiniest thing goes wrong with trying to use it. could it be done? sure, probably, but the cost in life and material would be enormous just in the research alone, and then theres always the possibility of that tech being converted into a dreadful weapon.
the star trek verse relies on Warp Drive to work, without that FTL tech, the Federation, the Klingon Empire, Romulins, Cardasians, everyones interstellar empire falls apart in a heartbeat because suddenly, ur cut off completely from ur colony worlds and allies. no subspace, no warp travel, no subspace comms...nothing...
atomics dont even hold a candle to the enormity of the problem...
@@darkclawgreatonenas That's the thing about progress. Getting there isn't safe, but the journey tends to be worth it.
@@InfernosReaper well, i happen to respectfully disagree in this case...
Chakotay: I need maximum warp!
Tom: We are at warp 1.
Chakotay: -_-
_"I'm surrounded by as...."_
bahahahaha.... i just realized that too..
Well they said maximum warp, I guess warp 1 was the maximum given the circumstances.
The dialogue on this scene seems to be pretty incoherent. Why is Tom Paris not being relived from duty for ignoring an order to go to maximum warp, as he effectively went to 'minimum warp' to escape the highly serious situation. why would he even randomly decide to do that - just felt like disobeying orders and possibly endanger the ship for the kicks?
@@s2k997 Given various circumstances, perhaps warp 1 WAS the maximum that was possible to go to safely, I'm just guessing since I don't remember the episode offhand, but that would be a pretty egregious oversight if that wasn't the case.
Gonna assume the "maximum warp" -> "warp one" thing is because they went maximum for only a bit to get the distance, then drifted to one to preserve energy.
Seven of nine sees perfection? All she had to do was look in a damned mirror.
LOL! I like the sentiment brother, but like the Omega molecule--I'm pretty sure a line like that isn't going to go well with the ladies on the outside.
Dammit, that was going to be my joke, too.
Yes she does
I wouldn't go that far
@@ohiorushbaby Someone needs to make parody of 3:16 onwards and have Seven looking at herself at 3:33-3:42. Now THAT'S seeing perfection!
Whatever real up and down tension existed between Mulgrew and Ryan translated perfectly to the relationship between Janeway and Seven.
Kate Mulgrew (Janeway) was upset that the show's directors were using the 's3xual' angle with 7of9 and her catsuit. Mulgrew thought Voyager would be a step away from that, and then they brought in Ryan. The two eventually 'squashed the beef'.
Seven of Nine: **looks at Omega, sees perfection**
Us: **looks at Seven of Nine, sees perfection**
Q2 agrees too "talk about perfection"
Chakotay screwed up here. Not calling red alert before an imminent engagement was a critical error. They could’ve damaged voyager significantly in the first blast.
"not even a single molecule can remain, you know I'm right"
"This'll take a while, can we increase it?"
"That would break the chamber"
"How many would we get rid of in the process?'
"40-50%"
"Eh, good enough, the torpedo can take care of the rest"
Sometime later
"72%? Good enough"
Like...I get it, and it does work and make sense, but the tone and attitude shift there....
It sort of switched. It started (40-50%) as how many were neutralized, and switched to how many remained (72%).
It's almost as if they were under lethal threat and had to make do...
@@brll5733 if they hadn't emphasized how even a single molecule could wreck subspace for several light years and a handful could do it for a whole quadrant, and that they specifically were seeking this stuff out to destroy it utterly, putting themselves IN that danger...
Also just realized it's another time that if voyager had actually had supply and energy issues due to being stranded in a distant quadrant, having a limitless source of power would actually have been good and tempting.
Agreed, the writing of this is loopy. The same character going from talking about Omega an absolute overriding importance to effectively and carefully handle the destruction of Omega to avoid an unprecedented universe-changing accident, that even a single molecule would be devastating - to basically carelessly throwing around increasingly lax and inconsistent statements that crudely blowing up a container of thousands, even possibly millions, of molecules with a torpedo to save... 10 minutes over doing it safely. Either Janeway was supposed to appear to be a desperate and reckless idiot, or the writers needed to go through a few more drafts to avoid that clear appearance.
We need to get that down to 60.
What they don't realize is that the Omega molecules had stabilized only because of the presence of the harmonic field intensity inside that harmonic chamber. Once the harmonics were to be decreased, even in the slightest, the entire Omega structure would chain-react, resulting in a massive explosion. Destroying the chamber with the Omega particles inside of it was the best thing to do.
Why do you think that?
@@Aeroldoth3he’s from the future in the Beta Quadrant they know things..
@@Aeroldoth3 Problem: There's no reason to suspect he's wrong. While abandoning all research in all circumstances is sheer idiocy, Voyager herself was NOT in a position to conduct experiments with Omega.
@@RyvakenI don't really remember the episode but I don't recall anything about the chamber being responsible for stability, hence my question to OP.
I disliked the episode in general as I felt the logic involved by the captain was ignorant and arrogant.
Pssssst! It's not real.
7 of 9 sees Perfection.
But, can SHE see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
Because it destroys subspace itself?
I discovered that cereal recently, and have been eating through minimum 2-3 boxes a week since! It's awesome!
HA HA - Tuvok says "Sens-oars"
He joins Admiral Vasseri in Ensign Mariner's list of people she calls "Doofus!"
A perfect moment in voyager.
Janeway and seven show off impressive acting chops when dealing with the subtleties of discontent, disobedience, submission to a rank structure, humility, frustration and a couple dozen more things...
All in a couple of minutes in an episode filled with faux science that feels very contrived, a bunch of aliens of the week that are never mentioned again and an explosion that doesn't really make any sense.
It's like they had a few premium ingredients, but had no idea how to combine them properly. The sum of the parts somehow always ended being less than what the actors put in.
True words 💯
All in a couple of minutes in an episode filled with faux science that feels very contrived, a bunch of aliens of the week that are never mentioned again and an explosion that doesn't really make any sense.
So every Trek episode then?
@@brll5733 Well no. This is a glimmer of greatness in a series otherwise markedly mediocre. I would consider Voyager to be below the curve for "every Trek episode", but at the same time, I recognize how Star Trek is at its essence, just storytelling using a variety of fictional elements to build stories about the human condition.
Originally, it was contrived as a "Western in Space", but once Gene got comfortable with the medium, he realized he could branch out and tell bigger stories. This is basically what defines all good storytelling, regardless of whether it's two races with white and black skin colors furiously at war with the other race with the colors flipped, Pavel Chekov going back in time a few centuries and asking people on the street in his Russian accent where he might find some "nuclear wessels" at the height of the cold war, Data wrestling with the strange concept of dreams, emotions and the nature of life, which might be different from others around him, or the struggles that Seven had to deal with as she came to terms with her individuality, humanity and fallibility as she makes mistakes along the way.
Fiction is a way of holding up a mirror to ourselves in a way that doesn't show a direct reflection of what is, but rather what could be - good or bad.
This continued throughout much of the franchise until it reached the woke era, where the woke agenda pushers realized they could co-opt the storytelling to push a political ideology and secular cult. Kind of the opposite of the glimmers of greatness.
A bit more like sampling a fine, well-aged wine, then noticing that the rim of the glass is not clean and has a strange smudge on it, then looking at the person who handed you the glass and realizing that they wiped their ass and didn't wash their hands and have a little something brown on their fingertips... and in your mouth...
Lots of people like to point out the episode structure difference between Voyager and DS9 that DS9 had more continuity between episodes that affected all future episodes. But can't that also just be related back to the fact that Voyager is a ship that travels light years between episodes through uncharted space whereas DS9 has much more time to make continuations possible?
TNG is the same as Voyager in this regard and kept introducing new aliens and conflicts every other episode.
So why do people like TNG so much and give Voyager so much crap? I think it's because all those aliens that were introduced in TNG were later fleshed out in DS9. DS9 made TNG better, Voyager has no such build up.
There's other reasons too of course but I don't see many people acknowledging this.
It almost as if the molecules were stabilising.
Whenever I see Seven I also see perfection.
With that amount of Omega power, Voyager could replicate a whole ship that can replicate automatic warp-capable shuttles. The shuttles can decloak and attack any enemy of Voyager. (shhh, the heck with Romulan treaty; we're in the Delta quadrant)
Oh hell yeah good idea. Really Voyager discovered and learned to use so much tech that the ship can conquer the Alpha, Delta, and Gamma quadrants by itself the only known enemy that posed a real threat would be 8472 and the Voth. Imagine Voyager with slipstream, coaxial warp, that future armor, transphasic torpedoes, isokinetic cannons, the ability to utilize null space, regenerative nanotech and bio tech systems, mass replication abilities neutronium hull and super structure. All this and more all powered by Omega.
And potentially turn a 70 year journey into a 70,000 year journey if the ship itself isn't vaporized?
In my subjective opinion, Janeway could have been tempted with the right argument to use Omega as a power booster if and only if the Borg were not in the picture.
Imagine if a complete Omega fell into the hands of the Borg. Resistance would truly be futile.
why didn't Chakotay not tell the truth I'm sorry were already destroying them
resistance would not exist, there is only Omega
@@richardlamarre3610 no no no silly do you not know the universe exists in a state of absolute zero so for all the matter in it there is an equal amount of vacuum or empty space for all the energy there is an equal amount of no energy so omega is a myth told to kids so they behave and do not make weapons to kill us all with plain and simple🤣🤣🤣
I just realized that Chakotay's "I need Warp speed in ten seconds..." is a re-state of Kirk's command to Scotty right before they dumped the Genesis Device in ST3.
In my opinion, this was the best Star Trek version. Seven added so much to the show.
At least two things.
@ LAUGHTooHard
I can't tell if you are being Sarcastic or not.
This is one of those episodes that really brought to mind what if you did see bonafide perfection or got to witness it happen with your own eyes. How would that make you feel or what would you think about witnessing something so significant that it could possibly change you and and how you think or view the world. To the borg this is essentially the closest thing they have to some form of god for them. What if one day you saw this exact thing?
My mind blanked most of it out. A circular screen of hazy gray, shading to central black, shielded the supernova like intensity of its core. It’s periphery was a pulsing, nacreous lumen radiating an integrated power a thousand orders of magnitude greater than I. But we were the same. “You look like me”, I said, and laughed. A spark to a great inferno.
The chick who singlehandedly saved this entire series.
And her joining the show helped Obama get elected
Such a strange ripple effect.
The chick whose cat suit saved this entire series.
Omega would've made FAR more sense as a catalyst for the Burn...
...but no, we get a fish-child throwing a temper tantrum.
The plot had some decent meat to it, too! It just up and blew up due to horrible nonsense writing
You just tore away the scab from that wound for me
Fun Fact: After Voyager, an idea to continue Star Trek was an animated web series about an "apocalyptic" future where an attack of omega molecule bombs left most of the Alpha Quadrant cut off and the Federation broken.
Blame the woke idiots helming masquerading as writers for the current Star Trek. Seriously, what was that filth? Every episode had every member crying and turning into a giant hugbox. WTF happened to Star Trek???
I mean if you're going to reduce the plot that much, sure. But if you want to be honest and talk about what happened that's better. Personally I like the idea that the Burn was caused by concentrated unstable dilithium sending subspace harmonics across the galaxy that shattered the crystals, and having it linked to someone who was genetically altered to survive the intense radiation isn't that bad of a concept (Star Trek has had worse many times). Was it a bit much having it be a Kelpian? Sure. But the plot overall was fine and I think people just wanted an excuse to hate on Discovery yet again.
"Yes, but it's mine to make. Now step aside"
So......decisive
Ahh that moment !!! Things are never the same again
in the beginning it looks like Janeway is experiencing the universal struggle to maintain eye contact
Someone needs to make parody of 3:16 onwards and have Seven looking at herself at 3:33-3:42. Now THAT'S seeing perfection!
Agreed. She's perfection in heels, that one. It's stunning.
Seven of Nine IS perfection!
Seven of nine...... is perfection
I just saw perfection too❤️❤️
I usually have to pay 25 cents to witness perfection
How about a jawbreaker?
I was looking for this comment
Literally the first thing I thought of when this appeared in my recommendations 😂
I watched this episode on TV tonight then it gets recommended to me.
I always thought Chakotay screwed up here, if he said “I’m going to destroy the molecules” instead “I’m keeping the molecules” he could of probably bought more time at least if not get them to stop attacking altogether.
*could HAVE
I agree that Chakotay could have done a lot better in his communication; as every minute counted in this situation, he could have bought several by dragging out the dialogue, rather than issuing a quick refusal, instantly resulting in a fire fight. Offer to negotiate with them, to return their crew and for one of their diplomats to come onboard to peacefully end the issue - even if this been a brief exchange, it would have bought precious minutes in which they weren't been fired at to neutralise as much of Omega as they could under safer conditions. They could have also lied by agreeing to return Omega, and dragging their heels over doing so - their patience wouldn't last long, but again, it would have led to a delay in reaching the fire fight. Heck, even telling them "These are incredibly dangerous and may destroy all ships in the vicinity" might haven given them pause - you are also correct that it's better to communicate that their intent is to destroy Omage out of the danger, rather than the more convention motive of profit/greed, that they were intending to keep it. Beats me what he was thinking... or rather the script writers on this one.
3:27, i know what i am looking at when i am in that situation.
11%
*1m 20s later*
18%
"This could take hours"
Okay so I have maths revision to do and I'm bored so
7% in 80s, so ~ 11.4s per
so 937s for the last 82%
So 15m 40s
1m 40s later: "80% remaining" So 20%
(Assuming the bridge scene happens simultaneously we can ignore those 52s: 1m 40s - 52s = 48s)
2% change, so 24s per
so 32m for the remaining 80%
13s later: 72% remaining
so 8% change or 1.6s per
so 1m 55s
Star Trek is pretty good if you just watch it, and this scene is great, but when you actually pay attention most of the stuff just doesn't make sense
That is because star trek was created by a libtard. Who did not want a religious human society. Just one based off of socialism. Communism, and other true social retarded perspectives. Which explaines why the majority. Of the human population became absolutely Dumb in the brain.
@@ariesmight6978 mate... There are plenty of fictional shows that simply don't make sense when you start breaking them down...
Star trek is hardly any different. Keep your political bias out of places it has no real business being in.
So what if the ideas come from a philosophy you don't agree with? So long as people can still differentiate between fiction and fact, fantasy vs reality who gives a flying fuck where the origin is from so long as people are entertained and creativity can be explored?
FYI, since I am on the subject... From a purely secular standpoint most everything religious theology teaches regarding human history, and our existence cannot reasonably be confirmed as true, especially many of the supposed events claimed by several religions. So please, don't go mocking something else without taking stock of your own "fantasy's"
@@ariesmight6978 It would be so much fun if in a Star Trek episode they discovered a cryotank and wake up a person like you who start calling everyone on the ship libtards and soyboys and calling everything retarded. They would take this person to sick bay assuming them to be mad from space sickness or something, but no, it's just a political reactionary from 2020.
Both you @@DEMONIK1149 and Tim MD. Need to educate yourselves. About the individual who. I am talking about before. You run your ignorant minded mind's. Through your mouths.
@@ariesmight6978 says the man going off about anti religious socialist nonsense... It's a fucking show dude, political opinions don't carry a hell of a lot of weight when it comes to fiction.
If you're going to talk about ignorance or judging a show by the beliefs of it's writers I have some really bad news for you and your perceived "ignorance." Pretty sure I'd be wasting my time though.
"I won't all this substance to fall into enemy hands; I'll destroy it first!"
Oh, really? Great! Be my guest. We were going to blow up a chamber, but you'd be doing us a favor.
I see perfection every time I see 7
Seven of Nine sees perfection...
By looking at her own reflection.
Looks about perfect to me! 😍
2:55 the lighting is perfection
And I see pefection when I see seven of nine...
She looked in a mirror.
Seven was 10 of 10 when filling out a costume.
Are you not old enough not to let your penis make stupid objectifying and oppressive comments like that in this modern day and age?
@@beverlyanne5699 seethe
Where is the lie tho
Lynx Integra that was a f’ing compliment, numbnuts
@@jimbophoenix No, it really is not. You are "rating" a woman like she is an object on a quanifiable scale. One of many whom likely does not need nor invite the chauvanistic sexual degradation that actually is in your public display. Which is pig headed, out dated and a perverse thought process of yours, like a female requires your "approval". You really do need to leave the 1960's in the past. Women have rights and not one of them was born asking for a number from a man to be granted them to validate their existence . STOP THINKING WITH YOUR TINY nuts.
"I need maximum Warp within 10 seconds!!!!"
Warp 1.
I see perfection every time I see Seven of Nine.
Her name should have been 10 of 10
The most short-sighted bad decision Captain Janeway ever made. And she made a lot.!
These are decisions based off of fear. She could have learned something from Captain Picard.
TNG of course.
Janeway had very bad writers for her character - the actress did a good job with what she had - but there were a ton of incidents in which her character did things that did not make sense for someone of the rank and capability of a star fleet captain.
that was a weird episode. first they say *ONE* molecule is devastating, then they say HUNDREDS are incredibly worse, and THEN they have a whole tank full, and they just blow them up?
Yep, power levels are bullsh*t
Voyager writing sucked. Janeway was the worse captain to have existed up to that point.
Well, after spontaneous stabilization....
@@papajohn365 oh fyck you voyager was good
@@papajohn365 The torpedo was designed to end the omega molecules.
Seven of Nine is Perfection
Whoever came up with putting her in that catsuit deserves a raise
The thumbnail image makes it seem as if Seven had stepped on a bee by mistake! 🤣
If they ever make the show with Captain Seven this would be make a good follow up episode. Someone wanting her knowledge in stabilizing Omega.
She does have a mirror in her crew quarters, doesn't she?
The struggle is real. I had always waited for the episode where Seven knocks Janeway on her ass and initiates her own plan. If Seven ever went rogue I don't think they would be able to handle her.
I'm positive they wouldn't, but Seven wouldn't succeed in the end ....
Robert Maxwell Janeway needed to be knocked on her ass multiple times. She was a terrible captain. She had no vision and no flexibility. In truth, the crew should’ve revolted and threw her in the brig
That one time she did go rouge (The Raven) they couldn't handle her and she left the ship to fly into hostile alien territory. Tbh, Seven was a complete loose cannon at the worst of times.
@@Ash_Rein Eh, Janeway was written inconsistently tbh. She was fine sometimes, and gods-awful other times. Just like the whole show.
I see perfection.
I don't care if you can make it sing and dance. Oh Janeway and your one liners.
Best hip to waist ratio ever.
And then an alien race who learns to create and harness the molecule comes and destroys the federation bc they aren’t prepared.
They went from 11% to 18% in the span of 80 seconds and Janeway say "this could take hours".
Chakotay tells Paris they need maximum warp. Paris says they're at warp one.
I know Voyager was notorious for the lack of consistency between episodes, but this isn't even consistent within a single scene!
Glad you saw it too, at least some can! What were they thinking in the writers room with these pointless additional lines of dialogue to contradict themselves - they didn't need Paris to say that line that made them look stupid, but somebody wrote it that way. Janeway's grasp on mathematics is... pathetic; and the caution she supposedly had for the danger of one single molecule being dropped at a whim for "hey, let's just blow up the remaining 72%, I'm certain that won't wipe out all warp travel throughout the galaxy for some reason".
For seven, this would be like a devout Christian seeing Jesus himself in the flesh.
3:45 (subtitles): "take aggression in ten seconds". Now that I've read it, I can't unhear it -.-"
I'd simp for her
"Yes but it would rupture the chamber"
Me:😆
Yes all over the place especially if u farted
thankyou
You're welcome!
Me too 3 seconds in !!! Thank God for tight fitting Sci Fi bodysuits. 7 of 9 had the Borg DSL function down pact.
.....by finding a mirror
Paris: warp one
Chakotay: I recall saying maximum warp Tom
Wouldn’t that explosion wipe out a few star system and damage sub space?
that should have wiped out subspace in this galaxy and the closest million neighboring ones
@@crackwitz It probably would have if Omega hadn't stabilized, binding the energy release and limiting the blast radius.
This is the Seven Of Nine I know and adore,not whatever it was they did to the character in Picard. Thank God Picard is in an alternate timeline and not the real timeline.
And now she is a murdering lunitic, crashing borg cubes into planets just to destroy one enemy shuttle and missing in the process.
I always get a mother and daughter bond with janeway and seven more than friendship
Obviously they couldn't keep this omega particle because it would end the plot of the show, but it always annoyed me how little Star Trek would use previously revealed technology. "Let's use this magic to solve this one problem and then forget it ever existed!"
It's the problem of episodic tv, where nobody and nothing can exist more than 60 minutes.
Episodic tv eh? What about star Trek 2009 where they manage to beam on to ships in warp long ways away, or Into Darkness where they cure death with a few drops of blood from someone they have in captivity?@@Aeroldoth3
That's what she said...
Nice👍👍
why didnt seven be like hey i know what a stable omega looks like we have unlimited energy for all lifeforms
If Seven wants to see perfection just get her a mirror
Paris got 30 days in the brig for Warp 1.
.... Tom, I need maximum warp in 10 seconds....sure thing.....we are at Warp 1 ..... WTF Tom...!!! 😂😂
Could you do the scene in TNG ep Unification Pt. 1 where Picard ask the Klingons for a cloaked ship love this vid btw keep it up
Good idea Jill. I will work on this scene.
until it's up on this channel - czcams.com/video/jv1MZMMdAfU/video.html
have fun :)
Imagine the borg get their hands on a STO Dyson Sphere
It's a shame. It would meant limitless energy.
Or destruction of space travel period if they couldn't fully stabilize it
@@Clutch28 True but she did stabilize it.
@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 3.2 seconds is hardly enough time to consider Omega stable enough to draw energy from
@@Clutch28 She could've kept working on it and maybe then perfection would've lasted longer.
@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 Except Seven herself said that the stabilization was completely random, which means nothing Seven was doing was actually stabilizing the molecules
Wow moments….
Not only in Star Trek history…. for those of you who don’t know….
But wow moments, in women’s roles in history….
Landmark roles for women… is Star Trek Voyager.
7 of 9 IS omega molecule
went from 11% to 18% in about a minute and a half. i mean, i think they could have waited the other 10 minutes and 30 seconds instead of blowing things up. A song in an MP3 file took about 20 minutes to download on dialup in 1999.
Well she did look at me after all
Is Exact Perfection
She see my buns through the looking glass...😂
‼️SEVEN OF MINE‼️😘❤️
If Seven Of Mine saw perfection the she was looking in the mirror.
the race that created the omega molecules will just start up the production again, even if janeway destroyed it.
And now they know the Federation are a backwards civilization prepared to attack them over their technology.
the species doesnt have enough time or resources to do i. the show indicats these people are on the verg if dyin.
That was many years of work for the species to be able to get omega. They have been alerted to how bad it is, and how it shouldn't be used. Regardless, it will take them a long time to get back on their feet.
Janeway was actually really cute here too. I love her hair 😍
all she had to do was look in the mirror.
Janeway is a good leader. I just wished she was more relentless sometimes against people who attacked Voyager.
I feel like, if they just blew up every ship which attacked them, they'd give starfleet a bad reputation.
@@Boomchacle That's what made "Living Witness" one of the series' finest episodes.
so the secret is to remove excess amounts then have your ship come under fire to stabilize and omega. good to know
Must’ve been lookin in a mirror.
*one billionth post!*
She's like that.
Imagine if one day she gets a spin-off as a lead scientist trying to make stabilized omega in a top-secret starfleet government program
The Federation has tried that before, which is why there is the Omega Directive.
But I agree, it would still be a better plot than everything else...
I see some perfect here as well....
It's true