Star Trek Enterprise - Captain Archer threatens Sim
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Scott Bakula and Connor Trinneer.
Star Trek Enterprise.
Season 3 Episode 10. Similitude.
Captain Archer is determined, and nothing will stand in his way. His cold threat of reality is bone chilling.
Bakula's talent shines. This was a great show, and it ended too early. - Hry
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Goosebumps every time. Archer's conscience was the casualty of this mission. Bakula is so underrated in Trek. Up there with the best for me.
The xindi arc of the show was jsut GOOD
🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻. Sooo true!
Scott's going off to re-boot "QL" and Jolene's quit acting. Hopefully, by the time "QL" finishes, if anyone cares to re-boot "Enterprise", the actors won't be TOO old by then-and I mean like 80+ yrs.(like David McCallum was when he retired from playing Ducky in "NCIS")!
@@virginiaconnor8350 well but I wouldn't mind seeing an old Archer, like they did with Picard or Spock, I don't know why they don't do it with more characters.
@@tmhugin8312 Yes, more regular chrs would be ok. I liked Adm Forrest, Ambassador Soval, V'Lar, T'Pau, and would have liked to have seen who replaced Ens. Cutler or Ethan Nokovivich (for example). Surely, IF the Enterprise could've been refitted, there would have been more room for more crewmembers. I believe the Endeavour was supposed to have been T'Pol's next post as Cpt.in "Rise of the Federation" novels. No longer weighed down by Pa'nar Syndrome when T'Pau cured her and less inhibited by that trellium in her-from the Seleya and her former addiction-she might make a decent captain-and with a bigger ship, she'll need a bigger crew, promoted officers like Hoshi, Travis, and CMO Dr. Phlox. Whether canon or not, without the possibility of a new series, the novels are all we have. That's what K thought when "TOS" was cancelled and I was 13. I wrote letters to revive it, but it seemed hopeless til "TAS" and then "TMP" came about later. What say you?
These scenes during Season 3 where Archer has to cross moral lines to save Earth are what made the season and the show amazing.
I could not agree more with that spot-on assessment.
Not just that. Season 4 leant into Archer crossing the line to the point that it bothered him. He knew he couldn't walk it back. All he could do was put a leash on it, and try and let his better angels emerge once more. But his innocence was gone.
Bakula's acting here was top notch. "Don't make me one," felt so visceral, like a half threat-half plea. Amazes me every time.
"I'll take whatever steps necessary to save him." It's chilling. His boundary seems to have no limits.
@@watts300well remember what season this is In, Season 1,2, and 4 if trip was near death but could be taken back to Earth, Denobula, or Vulcan they would have put him in Stasis and tried that, but something in this Episode went wrong and Enterprise is trapped in an asteroid field that is magnetic to enterprise hull and the ship is getting trapped. The Engines are screwed up too and trip got badly wounded, Phlox had an organism that with some work could create a perfect clone of Trip. Lifespan quite short though, this was sort of a tuviix moment for ENT
Except the clone was gonna die either way, hence the in 24 hours your enzymes for healing won’t work on trip.
The mission at this time is in an unstable region of space called the Delphic expanse an insanely hazardous region, a Bermuda Triangle for Vulcans who lost ships in that region in creepy and haunting manners (internal organ inversion, bodies found with their flesh and organs turned inside out)
And this was the Xindi attack recon mission, Enterprise desperately going to the Expanse to find the people that attacked Earth and killed trips sister in the process. To find a way to prevent the expected next attack, figure out the reasons for aggression and try a diplomatic course or military defensive strike.
This mission taxes the morality of Archer, and the crew, the ship gets beat up to high hell.
They are only ship of earth able to do this, Vulcans say we love bros, but anything we sent in there has met a terrible fate, we can put ships around earth but that’s it.
this is a due or die for all of Earth, if Enterprise fails Earth is destroyed.
Sim warmed to live out his few days left and die old but they need him to save trip
Archer needs trip to save Earth so he has to euthanize sim
"I don't have to tell you what's at stake. I *must* complete this mission. And to do that, I need Trip! Trip! I'll take whatever steps necessary to save him..."
Probably my favorite scene of every series. So powerful, the desperation in Scott Bakula's performance where he absolutely cannot fail this time.
Oh yes!! Especially when he said "even if it means killing you". I loooooved that part! His voice! I like that Archer!
I also love that Archer after Xindi arc started to hate Daniels for being sloppy in his job and forced Archer unto this alternate reality where he must been darker that he should have been.
I always suspected suliban shadow mentor might be in fact future Archer trying to rectify things only to make perfect paradox. Which would explain why Daniels had hard time doing his job X-D despite all his superior knowledge!
I thought that actor was great throughout this season. He really did a great job of channeling that desperation in certain moments, such as when he tortured the Nausican. But, they also didn't have him become that volatile very often, which made each time memorable.
@@prolamer7 yeah alot of the time I rooted for future guy ,Daniels ONLY came too archer when he needed him too do something to fix a certain point in time....... basically a glorified repair man.
This is how you make a difficult, moral dilemma, Voyager fell flat with Tuvix, but Enterprise nailed it.
Like the DS9 quote: "It's easy to be a saint in Paradise." You can give all the preachy speeches about morality all day long if things are fine, but push comes to shove, when the survival of earth or your crew is on the line, what would you do? It seems to be a choice between 99% chance of Trip surviving and like a 10% chance of Sim surviving.
God I hated Tuvix
#JanewayDidNothingWrong
@@usul573 It would actually be *difficult* to be a saint in paradise.
And yet 7 seasons of Voyager 4 of Enterprise
I love how Archer says it like it is. For his brother (best friend), and the mission, he'll throw his sense of morality overboard and gladly live with the ramifications.
And I believe Archer would have done the same thing if it was the real Trip that had to be sacrificed in some other scenario. “I must complete this mission.” Serious business.
Gladly? I doubt that.
I admire the strength it must take to do what needs to be done. The, for lack of a better phrase, cold logic.
Lie down and die or I will order you to restrained by force and operated on against your will so that your neural tissue may be harvested to save the life of my Chief Engineer whom you were cloned from!
Archer is my favourite captain, he’s the first and the best in my book
Damn I loved this scene! Archer... badass!!! "Even if it means killing you...."
Strong scene here. And a great dilemma for the commander.
Indeed. Considering the stakes Archer can't afford to take any chances because it's "moral". He may hate himself for it but it is the right call.
This was a very disturbing and thought-provoking episode. Great job by the cast.
I also love that Archer after Xindi arc started to hate Daniels for being sloppy in his job and forced Archer unto this alternate reality where he must been darker that he should have been.
I always suspected suliban shadow mentor might be in fact future Archer trying to rectify things only to make perfect paradox. Which would explain why Daniels had hard time doing his job X-D despite all his superior knowledge!
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So essentially Archer made his past worse, by giving Daniels a hard time during the Temporal cold war, in the future, by attempting to help himself by manipulating the past.
@@USAgent-gk8es That is at least my own theory... would make for super interesting season 7 i guess after 5-6 about romulan war.
You know like when you see only one side of story and thinks that guy punching someone is bad, but if you saw things before you would realize he was in fact defending old granny.
So in fact Daniels superiors could be doing some wrong stuff and Archer from future would be preventing timeline to fall apart completely on expense of his own past self.
If Sim truly had Trip's memories, this subject would have never come up. He would have went on time to sick bay and his end. Trip may have loved T'Pol, but he was Archer's friend and shipmate. His devotion to duty was second to none.
It matters not, if Sim has Trips memories.
He is his own individual and he has the right to live, and not even the population of earth has the right to force him to sacrifice himself for them
@@voluntarism335 It is a bad deal all round. The rapid cloning process used gave Sim an extremely short life if he had tried to live it out. In essence, he was condemned to death from the beginning. That is why the doctor was reluctant to do it at all. During the few days he lived, he made memories of his own. He truly had the right to live. There was a reason this technology was banned in the Federation.
I watch this video every night to be reminded that I need Trip.
This episode left me in tears!
When you know the mission will cost your morals and your soul, but you sacrifice them anyway.
Archer was a hell of a Captain!
Archer is awesome
Man.. Bakula rules! End of story!
Everytime I see one of these clips..it just pisses me off again that they stopped this series so soon. It's right up there with NG, and DS9.
It's better than NG, DS9, or Voyager
Bakula carries himself well in any role he plays!!🤔. I always watch him every show he's on.😇
This episode is what used to be great about trek. Strictly moraly speaking Sim was right, he has every right to live even for just few more days. But cpt. Archer was right too if he let Trip die not only whole mankind would be destroyed, but also any living thing (milions of species) on earth with high degree of probability. So his command choice to forget any morality was right also.
At certain level even best ideas (Sims view) become insanity... .
This is the kind of cold calculus that American television pushes as normal: once one life must be sacrificed to save two lives, that one life instantly becomes expendable.
"Each life is priceless, but some lives are more priceless than others."
@@Ragitsu no this is different. Archer has to do what he believes is ultimately right
@@voluntarism335 How is it any different?
@@Ragitsu geez mate oh I don't know the entire human race vs 1 person.
If you were on that mission earth would have been destroyed and that's why someone like you would never be put on such a mission.
Great episode
Sim:Youre not a murderer...
Count Bakula: Dont make me one...
😳😶💀
Bakula: Just do me a solid and die willingly.
This scene is why Archer was the best Star Trek captain
Uh no, this is called murder
Would he have murdered a less valuable officer for trips life? No he would not
Uh, no one said it wasn't. Uh, of course he would, if you watched the episode you know what's at stake. Archer MUST complete this mission.
Needs of the many
I really effing wish people would stop misinterpreting that line. Spock chose to sacrifice *himself* ; Spock did NOT force someone else to sacrifice themselves.
Are there quotation marks in my comment?...No then I'm not quoting the line. I'm stating that one person can make a difference sometimes. For example one person dying and donating their organs can be used to save many people. Just a figure of speech about a positive trait inspired by people in history (willing or unwilling) doing things to benefit the greater whole. The line just some's it up.
damn reminds me of the episode Tuvix from Voyager. same dilemma
expect this situation is far more desperate its either let him live or have the enterprise be destroyed, earth destroyed and have the human race go extinct, archer had no choice, where Janeway did
@@voluntarism335 Janeway saved two lives over the one.
@@LordSpleach ending somebody to save 2 people (who aren’t necessarily dead) is very different from this
YES!!! YES!
@@voluntarism335 There is always a choice.
Compared to Trek now, this show was gold. I liked most of it but it had problems.
Conner Trinnear (sp) is underrated.
To me, this is on par with the Tuvix situation. Different context, same issue. Do you sacrifice one person for another/s for the sake of the mission.
With Tuvix, Janeway faced a simple truth. If she let Tuvix live, there would be one person aboard Voyager. Two people are better than one in that two people can be in two places at once.
With Sim, Archer needed Trip's engineering expertise to complete a mission and while Sim might be on par with Trip in some respects... Trip was the better candidate to make the mission succeed.
It had a good cast and crew behind the camera but the direction was very lacking. While on the right track It had good material but with season one and two it was just pain. This episode and others from season 3 and 4 are true Enterprise episodes.
I agree. The other series also had rocky starts. But I like that Archer matured from a naive, excitable captain into a more-serious and rounded leader. Scott Bakula is a really good actor.
+watts300 next Gen didn't get good until best of both worlds season 4, season 3 and 4 are the best enterprise seasons, only they didn't get a fair shake
+Ian Mccown I'd agree with you on Enterprise, but disagree about TNG. But hey, we all have opinions.
Much of season 3 was quite good in TNG. season 1 sucked, and season 2 was only a small improvement, but the show hit its stride in the 3rd season, much like ds9
I miss Star Trek!!! Pre 2009! It was SMART!
Every ship’s captain would do the same thing under the same conditions. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. If the death of one man will save the ship and her crew that so be it.
Counselor Troi had to do it in her simulation test for bridge officer.
Sim owed Tip nothing! He just wanted a chance to live a normal life!
Sim was going to die any way. He would have only lived another few days.
This episode is what used to be great about trek. Strictly moraly speaking Sim was right, he has every right to live even for just few more days. But cpt. Archer was right too if he let Trip die not only whole mankind would be destroyed, but also any living thing (milions of species) on earth with high degree of probability. So his command choice to forget any morality was right also.
At certain level even best ideas (Sims view) become insanity... .
@@prolamer7 This is the kind of cold calculus that American television pushes as normal: once one life must be sacrificed to save two lives, that one life instantly becomes expendable.
"Each life is priceless, but some lives are more priceless than others."
@@Ragitsu I agree that if someone do such simplyfication its bad too.
Its not fair yes but it's the fact there's no chance the enzyme will work for sim to live and then trip is lost as well.2 birds one stone in a sense or sacrifice one to save billions hell trillions seeing as how the expanse would have encompassed all worlds.with the galaxy
A command decision.
this is an alternate version of
TUVIX
if he truly had trip's memory, I like to think it would have been a great story arc that at the end of the episode trip had died. I mean know one would have expected that and would be shocked. And if dr. phlox would have found out a way to take something of trip's lifeless body to save sim from expiring.... A new trip that would be on a new learning curve but with all the old skills...
I would do the same thing in Archer's position.
For the human race!
Reminded me of what happened to Tuvix.
"Above Majestic" Amazon Documentary---must see !
Even if Sim was going to live; just a couple of days he still had a right to his life and not to be killed by captain archer.
There's a whole philosophical angel to that statement -- did Sim in fact have a right to live? Wasn't it Trip's life he was remembering?
Jesus Reigns Forever+ Your options; Sim's life or destruction of planet earth. Easy decision!
He was created and eventually destroyed to save Trip. It's a frakked up situation. But needed to save Humanity.
So Archer was supposed to let Trip die and have Earth and Humanity destroyed by the Xindi and the Sphere Builders the latter of which would've then gone on to destroy all life in the galaxy and probably the universe just so they could achieve their selfish dream of making it inhabitable for them to live in just so Sim could live a few more days?
Sim was being cowardly and selfish here. In his place, I'd have gladly sacrificed myself to save Humanity from extinction.
@@girlgarde the needs of the many outweights the need of the few
The TUVIX Protocol! :D
Enterprise is probably considered the worst series of prime trek but god it’s still miles ahead of STD as this scene demonstrates
Oh yes!!! Star Trek for me, died with Enterprise, everything after made me wanna cry. If Gene was alive he'd be so disappointed to where his vision ended up.
@@KyleRuggles I cannot agree with you more! Thing is I never had any problem with any pre 2008 trek. Series might be different, even tone, actors. But it didnt mattered since heroes always tryied to do good things. Even evil cardasians in DS9 tryied from their perspective do right thing.
But treks past 2008 are just meanspirited and dumb. There is no grace, forgivnes or real drama. No you just use your fists and beat someone or vaprize him with sw blaster (used to be phasers before). And thats about it.
@@prolamer7 Couldn't agree with YOU more! lol... I was excited when Star Trek came out in 2009, then after they f*cked with the timeline... *sigh* Star Trek isn't smart anymore, the spark is gone, they're just doing it for the money imo. Kurtzman who heads up STD and Picard. I watched 1.5 seasons of Discovery, I really tried to give it a chance and I stopped after episode 2 of Picard.
The faces are the same, but they're not the same. The soul of Trek is gone, I wouldn't recommend a 5yo to watch Discovery, though when I was 5 I watched TNG in 1987! We LEARNED soooo much from Star Trek, no matter the age and this new sh*t? Don't get me started.
To me Star Trek is like MSTGA if you know what I mean... All sex, explosions, action, fighting, BS... that just doesn't make ANY SENSE! ugh.. sorry..
@@KyleRuggles Plus even space battles used to be better if you think about it. Scenes might be super short because of tech limits long ago, but short scenes even in Voyager gave you lot ideas about actual space battle, always new kind of space ship, different weapons. Maneveurs etc.
Now its just ast you say "shoot to kill", ensing press button... lol :-)
Stay strong Iam sure one day we will get quality scifi. I have one recommandation do try game Tides of Numenera its kinda new and despite bad reviews its one of like handfull real scifi games from past few years.
@@prolamer7 you want to know what's worse the creators of post 08 trek have literally rejected scripts for being too star trek.
You can tell that this is a post 9/11 episode. The show _24_ was primarily concerned with the scenario of a "hard man making hard decisions" in a way that attempted to justify torture/murder.; _Star Trek: Enterprise_ was little different. Some people give me the impression that they can't achieve sexual arousal without sacrificing another life for (insert vaguely noble-sounding reason here).
You would probably say the same thing about half of DS9's episodes if it were released post 9/11, it's not as though Archer is portrayed as morally correct when he makes these decisions and there are a few standout moments in s3 where his and Trip's gung ho attitude almost have them bombing innocent civilian infrastructure to accomplish their mission. Furthermore the conclusion of the Xindi arc ends with a diplomatic solution that only fails as a result of a single hardline party within the Xindi, Enterprise was very much Star Trek and even though it put the characters in much more difficult positions than a lot of series it still had a strong optimistic moral core.
Why do you keep referring to Trip as Sim? Did you ever even watch the series?
Me? What? Are you referring to my written description of the clip? Or are you referring to the clip itself? That’s not the original Trip in the clip. That was his clone.
What are you talking about??
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There were no good solutions to this one.
Every single one involved loss of life to someone.
This was outstanding Star Trek. If only this series had had this level of writing from the beginning...by the time they found their feet (the actors basically rebelled and started demanding better scripts/editing themselves) the show would have had a longer life.
@Ethel Ryan, Agreed. Many of the plots, scripts and crew interactions were poor. Star Trek fans deserve better. What makes a series great is writing and character interactions that are natural, common conversation. Many Enterprise scripts were “written” and unnatural.
Another grotesque episode, I fully believe Kirk, Picard , and Sisko never would have made such an immoral decision. Respect ALL life!
You can tell that this is a post 9/11 episode. The show _24_ was primarily concerned with the scenario of a "hard man making hard decisions" in a way that attempted to justify torture/murder.; _Star Trek: Enterprise_ was little different. Some people give me the impression that they can't achieve sexual arousal without sacrificing another life for (insert vaguely noble-sounding reason here).
They would have done the same thing as Archer did.
I would do the same thing as Archer
To let Trip die is entirely unacceptable as that would mean the death of the entire human race an entire species.
Sisko literally fired two quantum torpedos at a planet in order to flush out his target, thereby rendering the entire world uninhabitable.
Sisko sacrificied the romulan woman to bring the romulans to an alliance with the federation in the dominion war. He even justifies it in a monlogue, great scene.
Im glad I dont have to make such decisions, I guess it haunts you for the rest of your days.
Sisko, In the Pale Moonlight Episode. Much more cold blooded...
i never liked this captain hes brash harsh angry all the time impulsive not captain material.. if he truly were a captain hed give him the chance or choice..
Do you remember the TNG episode where Deanna kept failing the command level exam because she wouldn't order a crew member to their death even though it would save the entire ship?