No definitely made sure Sisko never regretted it. This episode is where they changed the whole path Nog was to play in the series, and it is one of the best character shifts I have seen.
I always found this scene so sad, in that it shows how Nog is proud of his father despite AND because of how he's not a "good Ferengi." He recognizes his dad's talents and good nature, and rightfully blames their narrow-minded culture for his lack of success when he could have been great if given the right opportunities. Him not wanting to end up like his father is not him being ashamed of his father, but him wanting to prove that his father's way is valid, in the right context and given the right opportunities.
I agree with you COMPLETELY dude. Rom proves even by the time he's trying to prevent the Dominion from detonating the minefield that he's knowledgeable AND skilled enough that he could actually TEACH at Starfleet Academy. And I also have to add that Nog was absolutely correct: Sisko NEVER regretted recommending Nog to Starfleet Academy. Both Nog and his father Rom, and eventually even Quark, proved that you CAN'T "judge a book by it's cover", or in their case "judge an ENTIRE Species by common preconceived ideas". At least that's my opinion anyway.
I also love how due to the progress Ferengi culture makes thanks to… actually Nog‘s grandma, his father does end up in a prestigious position of power, becoming Grand Nagus.
Nog becomes the Ferengui Worf, a battle hardened son from a powerful house who adopted federation ideas partly responsible for bringing enormous societal change.
@@reedallen4613 Nog was only wrong about his Father he made just as Good of Nagus as he was an engineer because it was important to him Nog was proud of him in every thing he did.
@L0l C0Wz however as Quark pointed out, the Ferengi never warred amongst themselves and enslaved their own kind like humans did (and still do)... although the non-slavery argument stands admittedly on very shaky ground (given how they treat women and how little protection there is against debt).
Thank you to Aron Eisenberg for an amazing scene. This is possibly the first time in all of Trek that a Ferengi was shown as a full, complete, sentient being, with emotional needs, emotional motivations, and a real ambition beyond the acquisition of profit. Rest well, wherever you are.
totally agree.DS9 gave dignity To The Ferengi race. Prior to DS9 they were throwaway one demensional characters who were portrayed as petty greedy money grubbing comedy relief little trolls
The hilarious irony is that those "throwaway, one-dimensional" portrayals of the Ferengi were done by Armin Shimerman. He was Letek in "The Last Outpost" (the one where Enterprise makes first contact with the Ferengi while trapped over a dead planet) and DaiMon Bractor in "Peak Performance" (the one where Kolrami sets up a wargame simulation between bridge teams led by Picard and Riker; interrupted when the Ferengi show up). He then showed up in DS9 as Quark and the rest was history. :D
+Laramy Elliott yep! that's how i've always seen this. sisko wanted to hear nog say *why* he wanted to join Star Fleet. he wanted to hear an answer that made sense, and that made him know that nog was serious and had thought about it thoroughly.
+Gray Gass Nog and Rom likely would've been written out of the show if the writers hadn't gone this route. Rom still may have still had some stories they could tell but IIRC, other than his friendship with Jake, there really wasn't much they could do with Nog.
Yeah every other episode about him lead up to it. Specially the other 2 episodes with the traveler. First one was when the traveler came on board with the guy claiming to be able to make the ship go past warp 10 second when Beverley was lost in the pocket universe
From a method acting standpoint, look at how Nog enters the scene. His posture is what we see in every Frengi. He has a weak., pleading handshake. As he admits he's not a good Frengi he slouches even more. Then watch as be begins to emotionally open up he begins to stand more and more like a human. Then his posture changes after his impassioned plea for a chance. His spine is straight. His head is back. His smile is genuine. Then at the end, his hand shake is firm, strong, and full of confidence. A well acted scene right there.
Nog had an awesome C story arc. Never really A plotted, save for a few times to develop changes in the character. But in the background Nog went from a weaselly little twerp to StarFleet Cadet to StarFleet officer, earning every single accommodation on his record. Not through sycophantic praise or token appreciation, but through decisive action, blood, sweat, and the Lobes of a true commander at arms. StarFleet wanted the best and brightest, Nog replied, "You rang?"
Before Voyager left, ensign Harry Kim was served drinks by a little nobody Ferengi.7 years later, by the time he gets back, that Ferengi ends up outranking him.Nog, you proved every bit worthy of that uniform.
+0011peace The writers came up with some decent and bad excuses but there were very few onscreen promotions on Voyager; they'd definitely get promoted on reaching Earth though.
Plowbeast The whole came out about how Harry Kim was treated too much like he was when the show started near the end. With core competency an ensign could expect to be a full Lt. in 7 years. with excellence Lt. Colonel
+0011peace lt. colonel isn't a naval rank. it's equivalent is Commander. though Harry is good and deserved several promotions I don't think he is up to Chakotey's ability
This scene was expertly written; not only did Sisko want to determine the authenticity of Nog's request and how sincere he was about it, but he also wanted to test Nog to see if he could handle the kind of prejudice and suspicion he would likely face at the Academy. If Nog wasn't able to stand up for himself and justify his reasons for joining Starfleet to Sisko, who had known him for a while by that time, then there's no way he would have survived that kind of treatment from total strangers as a Cadet, and Nog passed Sisko's test with flying colors.
@@brucecox5884 oh believe it. there are no orphanages in klingon society, if you cant hang you simply cant hang and are therefore dead. So youve got a klingon orphan, raised by humans (another issue multiplier), joining starfleet (who's been trained to hate and distrust klingons from it's formation til the Kittomer treaty). he can't go "home" as the klingons see him as a "city indian" at best and a race traitor in general. it's a brutal situation, much like any romulan cardassian or freed borg would have getting into/thru starfleet.
Damn I just was thinking that was a pretty moving scene. That's too bad. Myself I'm so lucky to have a healthy body and take for granted what not everyone else has.
The worst part of this scene is Nog was wrong, The River proves it, Nog knows how to make the system work for him. He can get information that no one else can. He is a monster in all the best ways.
@@greyjedi1272I think he wasn't completely wrong. He just took the actually beneficial parts of Ferengi philosophy and applied it in ways that helped out many people.
@@azidal3755 I think that kinda proves my point. Maybe in terms of Ferengi he lacks the greed that makes others of a like skill set rich but he also is able to gain the trust of others that would be impossible for other Ferengi.
My son who is a avid Trekkie fan said this: Nog reminds Sisko of Himself. Sisko's father was a excellent cook and a successful business owner. Altho Sisko loved and admired his father, he did not want to follow in his foot steps. Same as Nog felt about his own Father, Rom. Just like himself, Nog had a reason to join Star Fleet. And Nog EXCELLED in Star Fleet. Receiving commendations and a battlefield commission before ever graduating the Academy.
And when you think about it... Nog was still an amazing Ferengi... he saw profit where the rest had not. he had powers and influence of the kind no Ferengi before could ever dream of. And he did not need one single strip of Gold-Pressed latinum to get it. He earned it 100%. His sense of profit and value just lay in something that wasn't as banal and simple as Latinum that anyone with half a brain to get a hold of, even if only in little amounts.
And Nog inspired his own father to improve his lot in life - he went from a broke henchman/repairman/dogsbody to his brother, to become a respected and skilled engineer of the station and a spy for starfleet intelligence who, had he not been let down by Odo, would have saved the alpha quadrant from invasion without the need of the Prophets. I love how DS9 always looked to try and build on events in a way that was generally accessible for casual views but also more rewarding for devoted watchers. It didn't always succeed (i.e. Profit and Lace) but 9 times out of 10, DS9 managed to make interesting, often amazing episodes. Alas, if Voyager had that kind of writing team, we could have had something on par with Battlestar Galactica back in the late 90's.
Unlike Rom, however, Sisko Senior is one hundred percent happy about who he is and what he does. And to his credit, is just as happy that Sisko Junior found his own calling.
Arkone Axon how does data return? I assumed he did something or left a program of sorts for his other brother (the one from nemesis). I'm just curious. (I am also unsure if the novels follow the tv shows/movies timeline/universe, so I guess there's also the possibility he never died in the novels?)
@@stith I'm honestly uncertain... as far as Data returning... we saw in the early seasons how people could upload themselves and transfer minds to and from android brains. So... using Data's brother, or just building a new body, would be both easier AND make more sense then pretty much everything that happened in Star Trek: Nemesis.
Arkone Axon true. I didn't hate nemesis, but felt it left a lot to be desired, like some sort of continuation specially since it was post dominion war (personally wanted more ds9 or something). There were a lot of issues brought in by it though, I recognize, not saying it was amazing or anything.
“It’s not stealing if they aren’t in your unit and they weren’t really using it anyways.” -Nubby Nubbs Besides the fleet inventory all ends up equal eventually...
That's what the Federation is all about. Taking the absolute best of every species to make itself better. The Ferengi have a lot of nasty traits...and buried under them is the potential to be the greatest quartermasters and supply requisitioners the universe has ever seen
@@TheKyrix82 The great thing about Star Trek and especially DS9 was, that even that was shown from another perspective. As Michael Eddington once said: "Nobody leaves paradise. Everyone should want to be in the Federation. Hell, you even want the Cardassians (or in this case the Ferengi) to join. You're only sending them replicators because one day they can take their 'rightful place' on the Federation Council. You know, in some ways, you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious. You assimilate people and they don't even know it."
I regret not thinking about getting onto STO the day he died. Many many players held a vigil for Aron at Quark's, and I missed it T~T At the very least, we can be certain his name will be added to the memorial plaques on Qo'noS and Vulcan, right next to such names as Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley, and James Doohan.
That's just careless spending. Rule of Acquisition #3: Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to. ...But Aron's legacy is definitely worth a healthy amount of gold-pressed latinum
I remember thinking, still with my TNG mind, "yeah, right, this is either gonna get reset at the end of the episode, or made into some excuse to send Nog away". Well, color me surprised when i realized DS9 wasn't having any of that crap, and things like this actually MATTERED.
+Kblargh That is the very core of what makes DS9 the superior series, I think. All Trek is deeply flawed but DS9 the reset switch is used far less often and it makes scenes like this actually matter beyond a simple happy ending.
This leads to another great scene at the end, where Quark and Rom argue about Nog joining Starfleet, and that whereas Quark forbids him, Rom stands up for his son and says that he's proud.
+Nate Winchester Correct. But within a few years of the end of the series Bajor would join the Federation (when it is ready, rather than as a desperate move like Cardassia with the Dominion) and Rom would then be in Starfleet aux corps. (I prefer to pretend the silliness in the end with the Nagus never happens. Rom's an engineer)
Rom is good for the Ferengi as he makes them see that there is profit in not directly making profit. Playing a longer game instead of screwing each other for pennys.
The best part is that in the future Nog not only became the chief engineer of the Enterprise E after La Forge became captain of USS Challenger but eventually became captain of the USS Chimera, first of it's class.
Nog got his promotion to lieutenant as Sisko's last official act in DS9. Nog earned his promotion to lieutenant, he served directly alongside Sisko, Obrian and the crew throughout the dominion war and was carved and mentored by the best, and through his own tenacity, hard work and good character grew to be a fantastic Star Fleet Officer. I would really of loved to see the story arc of Nog becoming a Captain, as it is so obvious he has the capability to be a great captain and a true asset to Star Fleet and the Federation, I would happily and willingly serve under Captain Nog.
Nog described himself perfectly! He has his father's hands and his uncles tenacity! The relief and joy Nog showed when Sisko said he would recommend him, made me cry! Great scene!
I relate so much to this scene going into the Army recruiters trying to convince them that is was worth while to allow me to join even with a prior case of ADHD and they did let me join it was the proudest moment of my life. It was just an honor to serve.
Not really. Nog bounced back from losing his leg faster than Sisko bounced back from losing his wife. Of all people, Sisko knows that you can't be strong all the time.
@@TheKyrix82 To be real, the Sisko just needed the right moment to start healing. He never really tried to before the Prophets called him out on it and set him straight. Nog was headed down a similar path, but people reached him sooner.
Sisko was no doubt sympathetic and empathetic to Nog's condition, and was definitely proud of him when he recovered and got back on his feet, literally. I tend to think one of Sisko's last actions before ascending to Prophet status was the recommendation letter for Nog's promotion to Lieutenant JG.
I think there's a pretty important subtext going on here. Did anyone else notice how taken aback Sisko was when Nog finally confessed that the reason he wants to join Starfleet is so that he won't be like his father? I think Sisko himself may well have had a similar motivation in applying to the Academy, rather than taking over his father's restaurant in New Orleans. I don't remember whether that was ever made explicit in the show, but it's a pretty common dynamic in families where the head of the household is a small business owner, like a restaurateur: the parent(s) who built the business would like for it to carry on after them and don't want to see it just die, so the expectation is that at least one of their kids will take it over, rather than pursue some other career of their own. If that same dynamic was indeed present in Sisko's own family, then Nog's reason for wanting to join Starfleet is something that Sisko can personally relate to and understand.
I also think there was an element of fear here. Sisko wanted Jake to follow in his footsteps and join Starfleet. To see Nog rebelling against his father reminded Sisko of his son's teenage rebellion against him. It struck home. At the same time it reminded him that as a person, and as a good man, he was obligated to give both Jake and Nog a chance to pursue their own dreams. After this episode you see Sisko loosen up a bit on Jake and that is when the "Jake as a writer" thread seemed to really blossom further. All and all I think this one scene added so much depth to so characters and the subtle ripple effects it had on the series as a whole is a testament to the writing team.
I always read it as guilt. I think he was trying to push Nog to admit why he wanted in, and never realized how important it was. And the idea that, even for a moment, he crushed his dream HURT him.
Andrew Singleton Meaning that as he climbs up the ranks he's going to be one heck of an asset on diplomatic missions even before you figure that he's the son of the new Grand Nagus. This kid is going to be that guy in the crew who has contacts in every star system, the skill in negotiation to diffuse situations, and can figure out how to get you any part you need for field repairs, alongside being combat proving at Helm and with plenty of Engineering experience. All incredibly valuable talents for a Captain of a Starship. His only real drawbacks are his current lack of experience and his lack of physical size and strength. Experience can be gained, but Nog's lack of stature came back to bite him several times in the series, and that's going to be seen as a drawback for ever getting a command of his own. Even Picard, who usually just threw Riker and Worf (and occasionally Data) at any purely physical threat, had to fight it out from time to time. In the alt universe where Nog was a captain he probably worked his tail off at martial arts to allow him to use larger opponents weight and strength against them, plus augmenting his brawling ability with gadgets
The thing about his size is Nog can use his smallness to his advantage. Sure he's always going to be at a disadvantage, but 'sell' the nonthreateningness and the idea of being outmatched and he can sucker his opponent. Plenty of martial arts involve using an opponent's strength and size against them. Guy is going to be a valuable asset to whatever ship he's on and have a sharp eye when dealing with people across the viewcreen. After all who expects a ferringi to have ANY head for diplomacy? Of course as Quark points out, you wish to acquire something. How do you acquire that at the cheapest price? That is negociation and diplomacy at its heart, same as any sort of horse trade. The great material continuum handed the federation a latinum and jewel covered prize in the form of Nog.
Nog had one of the best story arcs in the Star Trek universe. Not just in DS9. In the entire universe. Who changed as thoroughly as he? Grew as much, suffered, gained, lost as much? Nog is a singular narrative triumph in Star Trek.
agreed, Nog is the ultimate in long term storytelling for Trek. While DS9 in general did this well, almost no main character is the same by the end of the series, Nog outshines them from his pitiful origin as a Ferengi scamp hoodlum in the first episode to a GOD DAMN combat decorated Starfleet Officer, fucking salute!
Even Dukat. I was just watching "Return to Grace", and thinking to myself, he's actually not such a bad guy in that episode, and yet I can totally see how he ended up the way he did and it's tragic.
Even the most villainous villains have reason for their villainy, and they all feel that they are doing the right thing. They see themselves as a hero. That is, until Dukat loses his soul completely in "Waltz" and even then it was absolutely epic and we could see how and why it happened.
The kid's tenacity is precisely the type of aggressive move making that gets people ahead in life. I can only appreciate that now as an older person who let too many opportunities slide by, either because I was easily affected by the discouraging comments of others, or because I was too proud to go and ask someone for a favour such as a letter of recommendation. It's interesting that I appreciate this scene now, as an older person, with the benefit of hindsight.
Like Captain Picard and Q in "Tapestry" where Picard got to see what his life would have been like if he had never taken risks and been impaled through the heart by a Nosican. "I'd rather die as the man I was than live the life I just saw" - Jean Luc Picard
Letters of recommendation are standard to issue, but the recommenders won't issue them unless asked. Can you imagine a professor in a university issuing letters of recommendation to the hundreds of students they teach? I had a biology teacher who was obligated to teach the first biology required class, and the several classes he taught were 200-300 students large. This professor said to come by his office and strike up conversations with him (which I did) and this will make it easier and more likely to make such recommendations. Doing this garnered me a recommendation to the Pre-Health-Professions honor society, Alpha Epsilon Delta. I also applied to Graduate programs with letters I solicited from him. Always cultivate a relationship with professors and professionals who represent the field(s) you are interested in for this very purpose. Including the academic department head who presides over your major, and ALSO with the office personnel. Don't suck up to them. But bring important subjects with them. Ask if there are academic opportunities, scholarships, exclusive sabbaticals, special field classes, scholarships, fellowships, and honor societies among other things. These get you noticed. Volunteer to help with seminar programs and submit works to competitions in your field. For example: I was in a class that taught Blood Banking, and as I talked to the professor, she mentioned a scholarship competition in this field where you enter a research paper (mine was a review paper). I took the 2 weeks before the entry deadline, and I submitted. It turns out that few enter, and I was the only one from my university. I won. (The paper was also quality research.) It was the coolest 500.00 USD I ever made. The largest scholarship, too. Take note of your projects at work. What is your title at work? What are your duties? How many quotas did you reach? What did you do in your group that contributed to success? Who did you answer to? Did you delegate responsibilities? Were you a materials director? A foreman? A specialist? Be sure to make your contribution known to your boss. Do what you're boss tells you, but if you see a need, talk to your boss about it and do they need help with it? (and "I have an idea I can do this with it.") Don't be disappointed if they say "No." There may be internal reasons such as Union rules. Respect these, acknowledge them (don't whine), and go on about your work. That you asked shows initiative. I worked in an office where I took tasks from several people. When the supervisor asked me what I was doing, I had a list of things I was given to do. I read them off to her and told her what I was currently doing, and then I asked her what needs to be my priority at that time. Sometimes she said carry on. Other times she gave me a new direction to follow which deviated from the list. Never go over your supervisor's head unless it is critical for work. Most times it is not necessary. Following these tips can get your good work noticed. And when you ask for a recommendation, you will most likely get a warm recommendation. But you must ask for it.
+Ginny Jolly | That's quality life advice here. If possible, put that in a blog in Blogspot (you can use your Google/CZcams credentials to sign in and sign on). It may as well be one post, but it's really good.
Watching Nog and Jake grow into amazing young men was the second best story arc in DS9. What's so neat about this arc for me, though, was that Nog's heartbreaking revelation wasn't a period at the end of his father's sentence, but a new paragraph! Seeing Rom finally break free from the life he never wanted and finding happiness in living his truth with people he loves was the best story arc in DS9.
This scene is SO balanced and well acted. I can't tell if Sisko was serious about denying him and Nog actually convinces him.....or he was testing him the entire time.....
I like to think that Sisko was testing Nog but Nog's answer truly surprised him. I think Sisko wanted to give Nog a chance to give a valid answer without thinking he'd get that answer.
He would have denied his request if he had failed to stand up for himself, failed to remain composed under denial, intimidation and potential prejudice. And more than anything he needed to look into Nog’s eyes as he gave his reasons why he wanted to join Starfleet. Not everyone is fit for Starfleet Service, and everyone must prove not only to the Officers they are requesting sponsorship from, but to themselves as well, that they have what it takes to not back down, and remain determined to join, even as he is being told ‘No”. If he had backed down, left Sisko’s office, or had insulted him for refusing him, or simply broke down and became an emotional wreck at being rejected, he would have failed the test, and been rejected. But instead, he stood his ground, offering diplomatic Retorts to Sisko’s rejections. He remained composed, rather than resorting to insults or threats. And when it came down to it, he Told Sisko the Truth, about why he wanted to Join Starfleet, and why he Felt he could contribute to it. Sisko told him, ‘I’ll send the letter first thing tomorrow.”. He had already written the letter, but he needed to Be Certain, and he needed Nog to be certain too.
@Lexington73300 The irony, from a fiscal standpoint, their policies of unchecked greed kept them from having greater profits. The sad part is, the Rules of Acquisition have parts that can be interpreted to push for more rational business & ecological models.
It is a terrible shame we had to lose him so young. But at least we got some great voice work in Star Trek Online from him before he left us. And we will no doubt see his name added to the memorial plaques on Qo'noS and Vulcan right next to such names as Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley, and James Doohan
Sisko had in mind to put Nog in a Starfleet uniform. He'd been watching Nog for a long time and knew the young Ferengi was different from most of the others. I think he wanted to hear for himself Nog's reason for joining Starfleet. He also saw Nog's passion and he knew deep down Nog could make something of himself. An older Nog would become Grand Bags but before that he more than proved himself as a cadet and then as a Starfleet officer who was also combat tested. Nog was one of my favorite characters. He had heart, and the actor who played him was perfect.
@@felicityggreene7831 It turns out that that's what Nagus means. A full bag of money, an originally informal reference to Ferenginar's wealthiest and most powerful citizen, that became formalized over the years as Ferengi culture developed. (I made this up, but it fits Ferengi culture too well for me to ever believe otherwise again)
You've more than proved it Aron. You fought tooth and nail on screen in character and in real life harder than people twice or even three times your size. Your tenacity is undeniable. Within your small frame, housed the spirit of a giant. And though I've never met you in person or ever spoke with you, I will miss you dearly friend. I wish I could attend your funeral and express to your family just how important of a person you were to me. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Farewell Captain Nog. Man, it hurts to state that...
This was one of the Most touching scenes in all of Star Trek. I knew Sisko was testing Nog even more during their intense discussion but it was all to find out just how much Nog wanted to get into Starfleet and do something with his life. Great scene!
One of the things that made this a great scene was that it put together Brooks and Eisenberg, who really didn't get a lot of chances to play together. Definitely a highlight.
STNeish You're right. Now that I think of it they did not have too many scenes together. The cast is rather large and once Nog became a top notch cadet (and eventual Ensign) he became part of the technical crew immediately. He definitely has the lobes to become a commander of a starship some day.
DorianMichaelsIII That's one interpretation. The fact of the matter is, Nog wanted to be more then he was and Sisko saw the sincerity in his words and heart. Therefore, giving him that chance.
I got a little of one, and a little of the other. I don't even think there's a disagreement here, because it was one and then the other. Sisko could see Nog was intent on this, but it didn't add up with his perception of Nog or of Ferengi in general, revealing a rare moment of prejudice on his part (and probably for many of us-- who honestly saw where this was going??). He did genuinely think it was some convoluted scam or prank, but in true Starfleet spirit he offered Nog the chance to prove himself anyway. And even then he still didn't buy it-- he rescinded the offer, and pushed Nog into explaining himself. Once he saw that side of Nog, then his perception changed and of course he took Nog seriously. It's a beautiful scene, and one of those moments that Star Trek is all about.
"I underestimated Nog up to this point." As did Sisko, up to the "Your... father" line. That tells you how well the writers of DS9 knew their characters.
What I liked about this is that if you remember the last episode of DS9 Nog was promoted to Lieutenant. One of Sisko's last acts before joining the prophets. DS9 was easily the best Trek.
I have to agree. For a long time I thought that DS9 would be a bad trek series to watch. But after finally did watch the entire series I think it's my favorite one. And this is one of my favorite scenes.
Serving directly under the most famous War Hero in the most courageos Frontline Missions in a massive War is good for promotions. And you can assume the requirements for promotins are lower in a War, just like the training time in the Academy is shorter
I wasn't going to say anything but otter already necro'd this particular thread and this is for every one reading this after me anyway; OP says DS9 is the best Trek while at the same time mentioning the reason why it's objectively the dumbest: Fucking Space Moses. Anything is better than STD though.
In more than 50 years of Star Trek, this scene would still be in the all-time Top 20. Aron Eisenberg was never better and when given this chance he made his minor role into one of the breakout characters on the show. Rest in peace.
This scene is further proof that DS9 was a more grown up version of Trek. The Ferengi were first introduced in TNG as whimsical antagonists meant to demean "greedy capitalism". They were intended to contrast with the advanced egalitarianism of the socialist Federation. Such unnecessarily regressive traditions, such as forbidding clothing to females, went along with this theme. Naturally Roddenberry found out he couldn't have it both ways. The Ferengi could not be an object of continual ridicule while simultaneously existing as a serious threat to the Federation. Slowly the Ferengi were relegated to comic relief, where they remained until DS9. DS9 was the first show that actually tried to do something with Ferengi, and the writers succeeded to such a great effect that some of the most endearing characters in all of Star Trek are Ferengi.
Well, sure. It's been that way during the whole Trek journey. Remember, how Klingons used to be thinly veiled Commies in TOS, with no redeeming value. Now, they've matured, and so have the Ferengi and other races. Trek has grown up. Like all great literature, it transcends cultures and speaks to all people.
Jay Sexton They were never without value in TOS. Errand of Mercy, and Day of the Dove show Klingons as measured, cultured, intelligent, and with motivations that we as the audience are not fully privy too.
erentheca Then they turned back to whimsical antagonists in Voyager. It was quite a step back for Star Trek. Jay Sexton Then Voyager introduced the Kazon, who are basically mentally disabled Klingons.
most alien cultures in Trek end up being thin stereotypes or traits unless your watching an episode with a really good writer who's taking their time. a lot of the time in the later years Klingons became parodies of themselves where EVERYTHING was about being a warrior to the point where a society couldn't function, even though we'd seen Klingon doctors and scientists in the past. The Hirogeon were just about 'the hunt' and yridians were information dealers/spies etc. DS9 was really great at building characters. they took Roddenberry's borderline racist characterure of the Ferengi and arguably turned them into the embodiment of the Roddenberry Dream... Flawed people trying to improve themselves.
Honestly the shallowest major race in Star Trek, the race that's had the least true growth in the entire Star Trek series is the one that started out with the most characterization in TOS and the prequels -- the Vulcans. Spock's people have actually regressed, at least relative to the other races. They used to have a high degree of cultural and military superiority, and still seem to feel and act that way, but without us passionate impulsive Humans around the Vulcan homeworld would have fallen HOW many times now? It's become clear that Vulcans were never really all that wonderful or great or even all that interesting -- It was Spock that was awesome and transcendent and coolly deadly, not the Vulcans themselves.
Every person has a gift. One of the most important things in life is finding out what it is. You can always tell when you've found it if you truly love what you do in your heart. I'm one of the lucky ones who found it. it takes a lifetime but every experience, good or bad, is a lesson and brings you one step closer to finding out the person you are.
I am reminded of something Maj. Charles Winchester said in an episode of MASH "The gift of music does not lie in your hands alone. I have HANDS, David.... hands that can make a scalpel sing. More than anything in my life... I wanted to play, but I do not possess the gift. I can play the notes, but I cannot make the MUSIC. For the true gift lies in your head... and in your heart... and in your SOUL. Now you can shut them off forever, or you can find new ways to share your gift with the world, through the baton, the classroom, the PEN! As for these works, these are for YOU. Because you and the piano shall always be as one"
R. I. P.... Nog and Aron both embodied what star trek is all about. Achieving one's dreams despite supposed handicaps amongst fellow people and races. Thank God they found each other because we all better off knowing them and watching them grow on DS9.
Nog..... why do you want to join Starfleet? Nog: "I want to do something with my life..... I don't want to end up like my father!" Wesley.... why do you want to join Starfleet? Wesley: Ionno..... because I- Shut up, Wesley.
Yeah, but the more and better is always something involving Earth and human culture. They never had a human become something more and better by adapting himself to an alien culture. That would have made for an interesting story.
@@michaelgreenwood3413 I know that. That was my point. When did they ever show an episode where a human improved himself by adapting himself to an alien culture?
This scene, among many others from DS9, speaks to me on a fundamental level. I may not be in my twenties anymore, but that doesn't mean I don't face the same type prejudices and challenges that the character Nog has, sometimes even from my own circle of friends and family. And sometimes, I fail in the attempt. But, I also know that given up completely would mean existing a hollow existence, where, even though I am liked, I'm not "respected" for being an independent, human being with goals and aspirations. It is something that is a constant struggle, but that struggle has to be overcome, even if it takes a lifetime to do so.
I particularly enjoyed the underlying aspect of Sisko being at conflict with what he "knows" about Ferengi and what is right in front of his eyes at that time. There was almost a sense of "I really don't want to like you, but I'm finding it difficult not to" to that scene.
I think it more plausible that he was initially trolling nog in order to get his real motivation. He didn't look that surprised when nog broke down and committed Ferengi heresy...
Not only does this show amazing character growth for Nog, but it does a great job in breaking Sisko's prejudice of Ferengi and giving him a wake up call
Somehow I came across this video a few years ago, before I'd even watched DS9. The writing and acting was so well done that it got me to watch the entire show. I'm glad I did, because DS9 is now my favorite Star Trek series.
I love how at the beginning of this scene Nog is hunched over, the typical Ferengi pose and how we usually saw him up to that point, but by the end of the scene he's standing tall and proud.
Rest In Peace, Aron Eisenberg. This was one of the great scenes of DS9 - and a defining moment for this character. (And Nog DID make it through Star Fleet!) Well played, Mr. Eisenberg. Thank you for this.
Did anyone ever notice the prediction elemnt in ST:TNG? When Riker was in that alien orphans holodeck situation, during the 'lost memory future' scenario, when Riker was Captain of the Enterprise, there was a Ferengi at the helm? And then, in DS9, Nog gets to serve on the Defiant. Wonder if that episode was an inspiration for the Nog joining StarFleet storyline.
This is a great acted scene on both parts. Nog for obvious reasons. But this is really one of Brook's better scene's too. At first watch it seems like he's just doing a typical psych evaluation to test the person's real interest in joining. And it is that. Sisko knows exactly how "the test" should be administered. But looking a little closer Brooks does a great job conveying Sisko's obvious prejudice (to that point in the series) about the Ferengi. He never liked or respected them. He knew that this language is what the test required but he also believes what he's saying as well. He's prejudged all of them. Nog educates Sisko and makes him see how wrong he's been. This also leads to Rom becoming an engineer. It's a real turning point for the Sisko character.
It isn’t that Sisko is wrong about the Ferengi, but rather about Nog Proving to Sisko and Himself that he could be Better than what the Ferengi were up to this point. He had to prove himself, just as Worf had to prove that he could behave as a Starfleet Officer. Not everyone has what it takes to serve in Starfleet. And Sisko needed to not only Hear Nog’s reasoning, but know that he had what it takes to stand up for himself, to stand up tall under verbal abuse and stress, and to prove that he wasn’t just scheming.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon I disagree. There are other scenes when he doesn't want Jake to be friends with Nog and tries to separate them. It most certainly was written to be Sisko being "racist" against Ferengi and that continued when Nog applied. He even confronted Nog about it thinking it was a ploy for some sort of financial gain. It was pretty clear.
In this moment, Nog went from one of my least favorite characters to one of my most favorite. If they ever do another post-TNG TV series, I'd love to see him as a crewman.
Josiah Miller While it's non-canon, Star Trek Online later in the game has you meeting Nog...and he's a captain! In fact before that in Online's backstory, he had a stint as Chief Engineer of the Enterprise-E when Data became captain of that.
I can't believe aron eisenberg, who played Nog, died yesterday of kidney problems. I never knew he was only born with 1 kidney & it wasn't even a good one. He character was awesome. He want from an impish thief to an upstanding startfleet. I know aron was married last fall. I hope his wife was pregnant before he died so he can live on.
Loved this twist in Nog’s journey. This was the point where I went from wishing Nog being erased from canon completely to loving him and wanting nothing more but success for him. Clearly one of the best written characters in canon ever.
One of the scenes that reflect why i love DS9 and why i think it's the best Star Trek series ever made!! RIP Aron, thank you so very much for what you have given the Star Trek community with your work!
This scene made me cry. I had a similar issue trying to become a welder. It's still a good ol' boys club, and women generally aren't welcome into the profession. It took one heartfelt plea and a foreman willing to give me a chance. I worked hard and made it. Now I'm the one the foreman calls upon when he has a tough job that no other welder can do.
I just saw this a few hours ago - first scene from TOS till now that brought me to tears. Thank you for sharing it. Didn't think I'd come to actually like Ferengis after TNG.
Could you post the Nog and Vic conversation about why he doesn't want to leave the holodeck? The episode were Nog has PTSD is very well written and directed.
This was a beautiful story one of the most important ones imo. His life will lead to captain of his own starship, he will become a genius able to help with temporal concerns in the future and help save everyone from distruction. Nog was absolutely one of the best characters. His father's lack of lobes also ended up helping him in the end, he had compassion which meant more than latinum. He became a new magus when the Ferengi changed from a predatory capitalist society into a democratic socialist society. They were changed by the influence of the beliefs of the Federation and it's history becoming first a Democratic Socialist society and then later a resource based economic society.
RIP, Aron Eisenberg...your character was my favorite on DSN because of your passion in this very scene! THANK YOU for your awesome gifts to us; will never forget you...
"Don't worry, you're never going to regret this."
And Nog made damn sure he never did.
RIP Aron Eisenberg
Sacrificing more than most for his brothers and sisters
No definitely made sure Sisko never regretted it.
This episode is where they changed the whole path Nog was to play in the series, and it is one of the best character shifts I have seen.
Cammander Sisko took a chance, but eventually Captain Nog made him proud.
@@ScorpiusZA. This led to Rom becoming a station engineer. DS9 has the best character development and story arcs of the entire franchise!
He had the greatest smile!
I always found this scene so sad, in that it shows how Nog is proud of his father despite AND because of how he's not a "good Ferengi." He recognizes his dad's talents and good nature, and rightfully blames their narrow-minded culture for his lack of success when he could have been great if given the right opportunities. Him not wanting to end up like his father is not him being ashamed of his father, but him wanting to prove that his father's way is valid, in the right context and given the right opportunities.
I agree with you COMPLETELY dude. Rom proves even by the time he's trying to prevent the Dominion from detonating the minefield that he's knowledgeable AND skilled enough that he could actually TEACH at Starfleet Academy.
And I also have to add that Nog was absolutely correct: Sisko NEVER regretted recommending Nog to Starfleet Academy.
Both Nog and his father Rom, and eventually even Quark, proved that you CAN'T "judge a book by it's cover", or in their case "judge an ENTIRE Species by common preconceived ideas".
At least that's my opinion anyway.
I also love how due to the progress Ferengi culture makes thanks to… actually Nog‘s grandma, his father does end up in a prestigious position of power, becoming Grand Nagus.
Nog becomes the Ferengui Worf, a battle hardened son from a powerful house who adopted federation ideas partly responsible for bringing enormous societal change.
@@reedallen4613 Nog was only wrong about his Father he made just as Good of Nagus as he was an engineer because it was important to him Nog was proud of him in every thing he did.
@L0l C0Wz however as Quark pointed out, the Ferengi never warred amongst themselves and enslaved their own kind like humans did (and still do)... although the non-slavery argument stands admittedly on very shaky ground (given how they treat women and how little protection there is against debt).
Thank you to Aron Eisenberg for an amazing scene. This is possibly the first time in all of Trek that a Ferengi was shown as a full, complete, sentient being, with emotional needs, emotional motivations, and a real ambition beyond the acquisition of profit. Rest well, wherever you are.
totally agree.DS9 gave dignity To The Ferengi race. Prior to DS9 they were throwaway one demensional characters who were portrayed as petty greedy money grubbing comedy relief little trolls
The hilarious irony is that those "throwaway, one-dimensional" portrayals of the Ferengi were done by Armin Shimerman. He was Letek in "The Last Outpost" (the one where Enterprise makes first contact with the Ferengi while trapped over a dead planet) and DaiMon Bractor in "Peak Performance" (the one where Kolrami sets up a wargame simulation between bridge teams led by Picard and Riker; interrupted when the Ferengi show up). He then showed up in DS9 as Quark and the rest was history. :D
He's joined The Great River. The Great Material Continuum.
He is waiting for left or right 😇🦁
I hope Aaron is sitting atop of the Divine Treasury. Rest in Peace.
A once-in-a-lifetime delivery from Aron. And the way Avery Brooks seamlessly transitioned from Captain Sisko to Father Sisko showed him at his best.
Because Sisko went through something similar but in reverse. His family had a legacy but he chose starfleet.
Anybody else think maybe Sisko was playing devils advocate just so he could hear Nog's response.
+Laramy Elliott yep! that's how i've always seen this. sisko wanted to hear nog say *why* he wanted to join Star Fleet. he wanted to hear an answer that made sense, and that made him know that nog was serious and had thought about it thoroughly.
+Laramy Elliott That's the impression I got.
I have thought that. He wanted to see how badly Nog wanted it.
Laramy Elliott Of course. He wanted Nog to explain how much and why he wants to be a Starfleet officer.
He does it all the time. He did it to Ezri Dax when she wanted to quit Starfleet and return to Trill.
"Don't worry. You're never going to regret this."
And he never did.
+Gray Gass Nog and Rom likely would've been written out of the show if the writers hadn't gone this route. Rom still may have still had some stories they could tell but IIRC, other than his friendship with Jake, there really wasn't much they could do with Nog.
+Scott Fetterman
In a sense they did write out Rom by making him Grand Nagus.
And, it was Jake who became less relevant to the show.
+0011peace but it was one episode before the series finale in a way that gave us closer for him
Yeah every other episode about him lead up to it. Specially the other 2 episodes with the traveler. First one was when the traveler came on board with the guy claiming to be able to make the ship go past warp 10
second when Beverley was lost in the pocket universe
You stole my comment
From a method acting standpoint, look at how Nog enters the scene. His posture is what we see in every Frengi. He has a weak., pleading handshake. As he admits he's not a good Frengi he slouches even more. Then watch as be begins to emotionally open up he begins to stand more and more like a human. Then his posture changes after his impassioned plea for a chance. His spine is straight. His head is back. His smile is genuine. Then at the end, his hand shake is firm, strong, and full of confidence. A well acted scene right there.
Shit, Bill Wagner... That's a damned fine observation right there.
Very interesting analysis.
Ditto. The young actor did a fantastic job matching body language with his tone.
Young? Aron Eisenberg was born in 1969
This is CZcams Bill, and you're posting great thoughtful comments - what's happening to the world? ^oo^
RIP Aron Eisenberg you turned a comedic sidekick into an amazing Starfleet Officer.
Talk about great character development. DS9 was great at that.
Nog had an awesome C story arc. Never really A plotted, save for a few times to develop changes in the character. But in the background Nog went from a weaselly little twerp to StarFleet Cadet to StarFleet officer, earning every single accommodation on his record. Not through sycophantic praise or token appreciation, but through decisive action, blood, sweat, and the Lobes of a true commander at arms. StarFleet wanted the best and brightest, Nog replied, "You rang?"
Went from the back burner to the most memorable course☺️🤩😎
RIP legend
Before Voyager left, ensign Harry Kim was served drinks by a little nobody Ferengi.7 years later, by the time he gets back, that Ferengi ends up outranking him.Nog, you proved every bit worthy of that uniform.
+Nate Winchester
I expect every member of Voyager got at least 2 promotions except the captain and first officer.
+Nate Winchester He was actually served by Quark. But yeah, Nog out ranks him.
+0011peace The writers came up with some decent and bad excuses but there were very few onscreen promotions on Voyager; they'd definitely get promoted on reaching Earth though.
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The whole came out about how Harry Kim was treated too much like he was when the show started near the end. With core competency an ensign could expect to be a full Lt. in 7 years. with excellence Lt. Colonel
+0011peace lt. colonel isn't a naval rank. it's equivalent is Commander. though Harry is good and deserved several promotions I don't think he is up to Chakotey's ability
This scene was expertly written; not only did Sisko want to determine the authenticity of Nog's request and how sincere he was about it, but he also wanted to test Nog to see if he could handle the kind of prejudice and suspicion he would likely face at the Academy. If Nog wasn't able to stand up for himself and justify his reasons for joining Starfleet to Sisko, who had known him for a while by that time, then there's no way he would have survived that kind of treatment from total strangers as a Cadet, and Nog passed Sisko's test with flying colors.
"Perhaps the next time you are judged unfairly, it will not take so many bruises for you to protest"
Sisko was a genius leader. What a scene. Such intensity.
@@SVSky Best line ever
I am sure Worf had the same issues
@@brucecox5884 oh believe it. there are no orphanages in klingon society, if you cant hang you simply cant hang and are therefore dead. So youve got a klingon orphan, raised by humans (another issue multiplier), joining starfleet (who's been trained to hate and distrust klingons from it's formation til the Kittomer treaty). he can't go "home" as the klingons see him as a "city indian" at best and a race traitor in general. it's a brutal situation, much like any romulan cardassian or freed borg would have getting into/thru starfleet.
Rest in Peace - Aron Eisenberg - 1969-2019
Damn I just was thinking that was a pretty moving scene. That's too bad. Myself I'm so lucky to have a healthy body and take for granted what not everyone else has.
A truly great actor.
So weird, because I totally thought Nog was actually played by a kid. Certainly not a man in his 30s.
It's true, Sisko never did regret it. Nog went on to helm the most badass ship in Starfleet history and flew it like a pro in the final battle.
Nog never made Sisko regret it, but Sisko definitely did regret it to some extent during and for some after Siege of AR-558.
The worst part of this scene is Nog was wrong, The River proves it, Nog knows how to make the system work for him. He can get information that no one else can. He is a monster in all the best ways.
Dont forget, he earned the respect of so many people, including Chancellor Martok. Well done piece. R.I.P. Aron Eisenberg
@@greyjedi1272I think he wasn't completely wrong. He just took the actually beneficial parts of Ferengi philosophy and applied it in ways that helped out many people.
@@azidal3755 I think that kinda proves my point. Maybe in terms of Ferengi he lacks the greed that makes others of a like skill set rich but he also is able to gain the trust of others that would be impossible for other Ferengi.
My son who is a avid Trekkie fan said this: Nog reminds Sisko of Himself. Sisko's father was a excellent cook and a successful business owner. Altho Sisko loved and admired his father, he did not want to follow in his foot steps. Same as Nog felt about his own Father, Rom. Just like himself, Nog had a reason to join Star Fleet. And Nog EXCELLED in Star Fleet. Receiving commendations and a battlefield commission before ever graduating the Academy.
And as tradition holds, Sisko's son, Jake ends up Not following his father into Starfleet and becomes a writer.
@@ericwittmershaus And Nog almost became a surrogate son for Sisko, the one he could take down his path and show him the way.
And when you think about it... Nog was still an amazing Ferengi... he saw profit where the rest had not. he had powers and influence of the kind no Ferengi before could ever dream of. And he did not need one single strip of Gold-Pressed latinum to get it. He earned it 100%.
His sense of profit and value just lay in something that wasn't as banal and simple as Latinum that anyone with half a brain to get a hold of, even if only in little amounts.
And Nog inspired his own father to improve his lot in life - he went from a broke henchman/repairman/dogsbody to his brother, to become a respected and skilled engineer of the station and a spy for starfleet intelligence who, had he not been let down by Odo, would have saved the alpha quadrant from invasion without the need of the Prophets. I love how DS9 always looked to try and build on events in a way that was generally accessible for casual views but also more rewarding for devoted watchers. It didn't always succeed (i.e. Profit and Lace) but 9 times out of 10, DS9 managed to make interesting, often amazing episodes.
Alas, if Voyager had that kind of writing team, we could have had something on par with Battlestar Galactica back in the late 90's.
Unlike Rom, however, Sisko Senior is one hundred percent happy about who he is and what he does. And to his credit, is just as happy that Sisko Junior found his own calling.
Nog as a boy=no good sorry trouble maker.
Nog as a young man=war hero that any starship captain would pick up in a heartbeat.
Not just a war hero. A wounded war hero. He lost a leg in battle, and came back
I've heard that in the Star Trek novels, Nog becomes the Chief Engineer of the Enterprise, under Captain Data.
Arkone Axon how does data return? I assumed he did something or left a program of sorts for his other brother (the one from nemesis). I'm just curious. (I am also unsure if the novels follow the tv shows/movies timeline/universe, so I guess there's also the possibility he never died in the novels?)
@@stith I'm honestly uncertain... as far as Data returning... we saw in the early seasons how people could upload themselves and transfer minds to and from android brains. So... using Data's brother, or just building a new body, would be both easier AND make more sense then pretty much everything that happened in Star Trek: Nemesis.
Arkone Axon true. I didn't hate nemesis, but felt it left a lot to be desired, like some sort of continuation specially since it was post dominion war (personally wanted more ds9 or something). There were a lot of issues brought in by it though, I recognize, not saying it was amazing or anything.
Later on, Nog puts a Starflert quartermaster to shame and manages to cut through so much red tape
"Treachery, Faith, and the Great River"
That was such a fun episode :D
“It’s not stealing if they aren’t in your unit and they weren’t really using it anyways.” -Nubby Nubbs
Besides the fleet inventory all ends up equal eventually...
as a former member of the US Army, I would love having farengi as our quatermasters
That's what the Federation is all about. Taking the absolute best of every species to make itself better. The Ferengi have a lot of nasty traits...and buried under them is the potential to be the greatest quartermasters and supply requisitioners the universe has ever seen
@@TheKyrix82 The great thing about Star Trek and especially DS9 was, that even that was shown from another perspective. As Michael Eddington once said: "Nobody leaves paradise. Everyone should want to be in the Federation. Hell, you even want the Cardassians (or in this case the Ferengi) to join. You're only sending them replicators because one day they can take their 'rightful place' on the Federation Council. You know, in some ways, you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious. You assimilate people and they don't even know it."
I would give whatever amount of gold-pressed latinum to ensure Aron's place in history. RIP
He’s in the divine treasure room now.
R.I.P. Aron (Nog) Eisenberg.
One of the best ferengi there was. Aside from his uncle that is.
I regret not thinking about getting onto STO the day he died. Many many players held a vigil for Aron at Quark's, and I missed it T~T
At the very least, we can be certain his name will be added to the memorial plaques on Qo'noS and Vulcan, right next to such names as Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley, and James Doohan.
@@k1productions87 And now Rene will be added too
That's just careless spending. Rule of Acquisition #3: Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to.
...But Aron's legacy is definitely worth a healthy amount of gold-pressed latinum
Why were so many of the Ferengi played by Jewish actors?
I remember thinking, still with my TNG mind, "yeah, right, this is either gonna get reset at the end of the episode, or made into some excuse to send Nog away". Well, color me surprised when i realized DS9 wasn't having any of that crap, and things like this actually MATTERED.
I know. Isn't that great?
I love introducing friends to DS9 and having them realize it's not an episodic Trek series.
+Kblargh That is the very core of what makes DS9 the superior series, I think. All Trek is deeply flawed but DS9 the reset switch is used far less often and it makes scenes like this actually matter beyond a simple happy ending.
He became a starship Captain eventually, didn't he?
PetersaberHD
Wasn't that in a video game?
Nah, it was in an episode where Jake jumped to the future
This leads to another great scene at the end, where Quark and Rom argue about Nog joining Starfleet, and that whereas Quark forbids him, Rom stands up for his son and says that he's proud.
nepomusik And then Rom joins up himself, gets himself out from under his brother's shadow, and it's the making of him.
+hagamapama Technically he joins the Bajoran engineering corp. ;-)
+Nate Winchester Correct. But within a few years of the end of the series Bajor would join the Federation (when it is ready, rather than as a desperate move like Cardassia with the Dominion) and Rom would then be in Starfleet aux corps. (I prefer to pretend the silliness in the end with the Nagus never happens. Rom's an engineer)
Rom is good for the Ferengi as he makes them see that there is profit in not directly making profit. Playing a longer game instead of screwing each other for pennys.
@@Siegberg91 FERENGI!! not feragni, for fucks sake.
The best part is that in the future Nog not only became the chief engineer of the Enterprise E after La Forge became captain of USS Challenger but eventually became captain of the USS Chimera, first of it's class.
Imagine being Chief Engineer under LaForge...
@@VVeremoose That was my thought also, nightmare job.
Yes, but Harry didn't like that future and changed it.
@@ComicGladiator He knew not to micromanage it.
Nog got his promotion to lieutenant as Sisko's last official act in DS9. Nog earned his promotion to lieutenant, he served directly alongside Sisko, Obrian and the crew throughout the dominion war and was carved and mentored by the best, and through his own tenacity, hard work and good character grew to be a fantastic Star Fleet Officer. I would really of loved to see the story arc of Nog becoming a Captain, as it is so obvious he has the capability to be a great captain and a true asset to Star Fleet and the Federation, I would happily and willingly serve under Captain Nog.
Nog described himself perfectly! He has his father's hands and his uncles tenacity!
The relief and joy Nog showed when Sisko said he would recommend him, made me cry! Great scene!
I relate so much to this scene going into the Army recruiters trying to convince them that is was worth while to allow me to join even with a prior case of ADHD and they did let me join it was the proudest moment of my life. It was just an honor to serve.
He also has both their talents for finding things and putting them to best use
It really is wonderful. Nog's story arc isn't just one of the greatest in Star Trek. It's one of the greatest in TV, period.
@@808INFantry11X Oh man, I love your comment. Honor to have you.
Nog also has his grandfather's compassion. Keldar was a gentle soul for a Ferengi, and all Quark's little group inherited that trait.
"You're never going to regret this."
And he never did.
he did when nog lost his leg for a bit
Not really. Nog bounced back from losing his leg faster than Sisko bounced back from losing his wife. Of all people, Sisko knows that you can't be strong all the time.
@@TheKyrix82 To be real, the Sisko just needed the right moment to start healing. He never really tried to before the Prophets called him out on it and set him straight.
Nog was headed down a similar path, but people reached him sooner.
Sisko was no doubt sympathetic and empathetic to Nog's condition, and was definitely proud of him when he recovered and got back on his feet, literally. I tend to think one of Sisko's last actions before ascending to Prophet status was the recommendation letter for Nog's promotion to Lieutenant JG.
O'Brien for many hours wonders about that with all of Nog's dealing and wheeling.
One of Aron Eisenberg's best scenes as Nog.
Rest in peace, dude.
Nog is easily the most well developed character in the history of Star Trek. He went from a petty thief, to a StarFleet Officer.
I think there's a pretty important subtext going on here. Did anyone else notice how taken aback Sisko was when Nog finally confessed that the reason he wants to join Starfleet is so that he won't be like his father? I think Sisko himself may well have had a similar motivation in applying to the Academy, rather than taking over his father's restaurant in New Orleans. I don't remember whether that was ever made explicit in the show, but it's a pretty common dynamic in families where the head of the household is a small business owner, like a restaurateur: the parent(s) who built the business would like for it to carry on after them and don't want to see it just die, so the expectation is that at least one of their kids will take it over, rather than pursue some other career of their own. If that same dynamic was indeed present in Sisko's own family, then Nog's reason for wanting to join Starfleet is something that Sisko can personally relate to and understand.
This is a brilliant observation. Nicely done.
Like Picard's brother was originally disappointed when he join Starfleet instead of taking over his father's wineyard like he did/
I also think there was an element of fear here. Sisko wanted Jake to follow in his footsteps and join Starfleet. To see Nog rebelling against his father reminded Sisko of his son's teenage rebellion against him. It struck home. At the same time it reminded him that as a person, and as a good man, he was obligated to give both Jake and Nog a chance to pursue their own dreams. After this episode you see Sisko loosen up a bit on Jake and that is when the "Jake as a writer" thread seemed to really blossom further. All and all I think this one scene added so much depth to so characters and the subtle ripple effects it had on the series as a whole is a testament to the writing team.
I always read it as guilt. I think he was trying to push Nog to admit why he wanted in, and never realized how important it was. And the idea that, even for a moment, he crushed his dream HURT him.
Interesting take. It sure fits with Brooks' rendition of "your... father..."
Poor kid. Didn't have a chance in hell as a Ferengi. But he made an excellent Star Fleet officer.
Carl O Sure he might not have head for business, but goddamend kid made a great officer, and still was great at the art of the deal.
Andrew Singleton Meaning that as he climbs up the ranks he's going to be one heck of an asset on diplomatic missions even before you figure that he's the son of the new Grand Nagus. This kid is going to be that guy in the crew who has contacts in every star system, the skill in negotiation to diffuse situations, and can figure out how to get you any part you need for field repairs, alongside being combat proving at Helm and with plenty of Engineering experience. All incredibly valuable talents for a Captain of a Starship.
His only real drawbacks are his current lack of experience and his lack of physical size and strength. Experience can be gained, but Nog's lack of stature came back to bite him several times in the series, and that's going to be seen as a drawback for ever getting a command of his own. Even Picard, who usually just threw Riker and Worf (and occasionally Data) at any purely physical threat, had to fight it out from time to time. In the alt universe where Nog was a captain he probably worked his tail off at martial arts to allow him to use larger opponents weight and strength against them, plus augmenting his brawling ability with gadgets
The thing about his size is Nog can use his smallness to his advantage. Sure he's always going to be at a disadvantage, but 'sell' the nonthreateningness and the idea of being outmatched and he can sucker his opponent. Plenty of martial arts involve using an opponent's strength and size against them.
Guy is going to be a valuable asset to whatever ship he's on and have a sharp eye when dealing with people across the viewcreen. After all who expects a ferringi to have ANY head for diplomacy? Of course as Quark points out, you wish to acquire something. How do you acquire that at the cheapest price? That is negociation and diplomacy at its heart, same as any sort of horse trade.
The great material continuum handed the federation a latinum and jewel covered prize in the form of Nog.
I think he's going to have a long career as an XO before he gets his own command. I think he'd make the perfect executive officer given his skillset..
***** Someday. What's your point?
This was an excellent test. Captain Sisko wanted to see just how serious Nog was about joining Starfleet...Nog was very serious. He passed the test.
Nog had one of the best story arcs in the Star Trek universe. Not just in DS9. In the entire universe. Who changed as thoroughly as he? Grew as much, suffered, gained, lost as much?
Nog is a singular narrative triumph in Star Trek.
Bashir too
agreed, Nog is the ultimate in long term storytelling for Trek. While DS9 in general did this well, almost no main character is the same by the end of the series, Nog outshines them from his pitiful origin as a Ferengi scamp hoodlum in the first episode to a GOD DAMN combat decorated Starfleet Officer, fucking salute!
Wonderful scene: love how DS9 gave deeply flawed characters hopes and aspirations.
Made them characters instead of caricatures
You have no idea how deeply flawed they are.
Even Dukat. I was just watching "Return to Grace", and thinking to myself, he's actually not such a bad guy in that episode, and yet I can totally see how he ended up the way he did and it's tragic.
Even the most villainous villains have reason for their villainy, and they all feel that they are doing the right thing. They see themselves as a hero. That is, until Dukat loses his soul completely in "Waltz" and even then it was absolutely epic and we could see how and why it happened.
@@k1productions87 damar went from a child killer to a revolutionary hero
The kid's tenacity is precisely the type of aggressive move making that gets people ahead in life. I can only appreciate that now as an older person who let too many opportunities slide by, either because I was easily affected by the discouraging comments of others, or because I was too proud to go and ask someone for a favour such as a letter of recommendation. It's interesting that I appreciate this scene now, as an older person, with the benefit of hindsight.
Like Captain Picard and Q in "Tapestry" where Picard got to see what his life would have been like if he had never taken risks and been impaled through the heart by a Nosican. "I'd rather die as the man I was than live the life I just saw" - Jean Luc Picard
+99goat99 I believe that is spelled 'Nausicaan' for your future reference.
Letters of recommendation are standard to issue, but the recommenders won't issue them unless asked. Can you imagine a professor in a university issuing letters of recommendation to the hundreds of students they teach? I had a biology teacher who was obligated to teach the first biology required class, and the several classes he taught were 200-300 students large.
This professor said to come by his office and strike up conversations with him (which I did) and this will make it easier and more likely to make such recommendations. Doing this garnered me a recommendation to the Pre-Health-Professions honor society, Alpha Epsilon Delta. I also applied to Graduate programs with letters I solicited from him.
Always cultivate a relationship with professors and professionals who represent the field(s) you are interested in for this very purpose. Including the academic department head who presides over your major, and ALSO with the office personnel.
Don't suck up to them. But bring important subjects with them. Ask if there are academic opportunities, scholarships, exclusive sabbaticals, special field classes, scholarships, fellowships, and honor societies among other things. These get you noticed. Volunteer to help with seminar programs and submit works to competitions in your field.
For example: I was in a class that taught Blood Banking, and as I talked to the professor, she mentioned a scholarship competition in this field where you enter a research paper (mine was a review paper). I took the 2 weeks before the entry deadline, and I submitted. It turns out that few enter, and I was the only one from my university. I won. (The paper was also quality research.) It was the coolest 500.00 USD I ever made. The largest scholarship, too.
Take note of your projects at work.
What is your title at work? What are your duties? How many quotas did you reach? What did you do in your group that contributed to success? Who did you answer to? Did you delegate responsibilities? Were you a materials director? A foreman? A specialist?
Be sure to make your contribution known to your boss. Do what you're boss tells you, but if you see a need, talk to your boss about it and do they need help with it? (and "I have an idea I can do this with it.") Don't be disappointed if they say "No." There may be internal reasons such as Union rules. Respect these, acknowledge them (don't whine), and go on about your work. That you asked shows initiative.
I worked in an office where I took tasks from several people. When the supervisor asked me what I was doing, I had a list of things I was given to do. I read them off to her and told her what I was currently doing, and then I asked her what needs to be my priority at that time. Sometimes she said carry on. Other times she gave me a new direction to follow which deviated from the list.
Never go over your supervisor's head unless it is critical for work. Most times it is not necessary.
Following these tips can get your good work noticed. And when you ask for a recommendation, you will most likely get a warm recommendation.
But you must ask for it.
+Ginny Jolly | That's quality life advice here. If possible, put that in a blog in Blogspot (you can use your Google/CZcams credentials to sign in and sign on). It may as well be one post, but it's really good.
BrBilal I’m 28, look for a new career, and this scene reminds me of exactly why I left everything behind.
Watching Nog and Jake grow into amazing young men was the second best story arc in DS9. What's so neat about this arc for me, though, was that Nog's heartbreaking revelation wasn't a period at the end of his father's sentence, but a new paragraph! Seeing Rom finally break free from the life he never wanted and finding happiness in living his truth with people he loves was the best story arc in DS9.
This scene is SO balanced and well acted. I can't tell if Sisko was serious about denying him and Nog actually convinces him.....or he was testing him the entire time.....
I like to think that Sisko was testing Nog but Nog's answer truly surprised him. I think Sisko wanted to give Nog a chance to give a valid answer without thinking he'd get that answer.
That's the great thing about the writing on DS9: You can always tell that there is meaningful subtext, but you can never be 100% sure what it is.
He would have denied his request if he had failed to stand up for himself, failed to remain composed under denial, intimidation and potential prejudice. And more than anything he needed to look into Nog’s eyes as he gave his reasons why he wanted to join Starfleet.
Not everyone is fit for Starfleet Service, and everyone must prove not only to the Officers they are requesting sponsorship from, but to themselves as well, that they have what it takes to not back down, and remain determined to join, even as he is being told ‘No”.
If he had backed down, left Sisko’s office, or had insulted him for refusing him, or simply broke down and became an emotional wreck at being rejected, he would have failed the test, and been rejected.
But instead, he stood his ground, offering diplomatic Retorts to Sisko’s rejections. He remained composed, rather than resorting to insults or threats. And when it came down to it, he Told Sisko the Truth, about why he wanted to Join Starfleet, and why he Felt he could contribute to it.
Sisko told him, ‘I’ll send the letter first thing tomorrow.”. He had already written the letter, but he needed to Be Certain, and he needed Nog to be certain too.
It takes so much courage not following tradition and doing something that you believe in even while everyone tells you otherwise.
+CoolsBreeze Depends on your environment though
Depends on what type of person you really are
Howyaduing And how you grew up. In the case for Nog he didn't want to follow his father.
@Lexington73300 The irony, from a fiscal standpoint, their policies of unchecked greed kept them from having greater profits. The sad part is, the Rules of Acquisition have parts that can be interpreted to push for more rational business & ecological models.
Nog was very well played by the actor.
Yeah, both of the actors here are fabulous in these roles and know exactly what they are doing verbally and nonverbally. Great to watch.
It is a terrible shame we had to lose him so young. But at least we got some great voice work in Star Trek Online from him before he left us. And we will no doubt see his name added to the memorial plaques on Qo'noS and Vulcan right next to such names as Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley, and James Doohan
@@k1productions87 We also have the Eisenberg class in memoriam.
Sisko had in mind to put Nog in a Starfleet uniform. He'd been watching Nog for a long time and knew the young Ferengi was different from most of the others. I think he wanted to hear for himself Nog's reason for joining Starfleet. He also saw Nog's passion and he knew deep down Nog could make something of himself. An older Nog would become Grand Bags but before that he more than proved himself as a cadet and then as a Starfleet officer who was also combat tested. Nog was one of my favorite characters. He had heart, and the actor who played him was perfect.
lmao autocorrect couldn't be more correct
... Grand Bags... 😂
@@felicityggreene7831 It turns out that that's what Nagus means. A full bag of money, an originally informal reference to Ferenginar's wealthiest and most powerful citizen, that became formalized over the years as Ferengi culture developed.
(I made this up, but it fits Ferengi culture too well for me to ever believe otherwise again)
You've more than proved it Aron. You fought tooth and nail on screen in character and in real life harder than people twice or even three times your size. Your tenacity is undeniable. Within your small frame, housed the spirit of a giant. And though I've never met you in person or ever spoke with you, I will miss you dearly friend. I wish I could attend your funeral and express to your family just how important of a person you were to me. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Farewell Captain Nog. Man, it hurts to state that...
This was one of the Most touching scenes in all of Star Trek. I knew Sisko was testing Nog even more during their intense discussion but it was all to find out just how much Nog wanted to get into Starfleet and do something with his life. Great scene!
One of the things that made this a great scene was that it put together Brooks and Eisenberg, who really didn't get a lot of chances to play together. Definitely a highlight.
STNeish You're right. Now that I think of it they did not have too many scenes together. The cast is rather large and once Nog became a top notch cadet (and eventual Ensign) he became part of the technical crew immediately. He definitely has the lobes to become a commander of a starship some day.
Excellent points from both of you!
DorianMichaelsIII That's one interpretation. The fact of the matter is, Nog wanted to be more then he was and Sisko saw the sincerity in his words and heart. Therefore, giving him that chance.
I got a little of one, and a little of the other. I don't even think there's a disagreement here, because it was one and then the other. Sisko could see Nog was intent on this, but it didn't add up with his perception of Nog or of Ferengi in general, revealing a rare moment of prejudice on his part (and probably for many of us-- who honestly saw where this was going??). He did genuinely think it was some convoluted scam or prank, but in true Starfleet spirit he offered Nog the chance to prove himself anyway. And even then he still didn't buy it-- he rescinded the offer, and pushed Nog into explaining himself. Once he saw that side of Nog, then his perception changed and of course he took Nog seriously. It's a beautiful scene, and one of those moments that Star Trek is all about.
Rest In Peace, little brother. We always knew you belonged among the stars.
RIP Aaron Eisenberg
Hit be doubly hard because I'm currently rewatching DS9 on Netflix.
One of the best scenes from the entire show. I underestimated Nog up to this point.
RIP Aron Eisenberg. The world lost you too soon. :(
"I underestimated Nog up to this point." As did Sisko, up to the "Your... father" line. That tells you how well the writers of DS9 knew their characters.
What I liked about this is that if you remember the last episode of DS9 Nog was promoted to Lieutenant. One of Sisko's last acts before joining the prophets. DS9 was easily the best Trek.
I have to agree. For a long time I thought that DS9 would be a bad trek series to watch. But after finally did watch the entire series I think it's my favorite one. And this is one of my favorite scenes.
he had a higher rank than harry kim in the end
Serving directly under the most famous War Hero in the most courageos Frontline Missions in a massive War is good for promotions.
And you can assume the requirements for promotins are lower in a War, just like the training time in the Academy is shorter
I wasn't going to say anything but otter already necro'd this particular thread and this is for every one reading this after me anyway; OP says DS9 is the best Trek while at the same time mentioning the reason why it's objectively the dumbest: Fucking Space Moses. Anything is better than STD though.
Realistically, in a wartime setting, and after his service aboard the Valiant, he should have made Lieutenant much sooner than that.
In more than 50 years of Star Trek, this scene would still be in the all-time Top 20. Aron Eisenberg was never better and when given this chance he made his minor role into one of the breakout characters on the show. Rest in peace.
Nog developed more than most characters in all Star Trek.
Agreed!
Deep Space Nine has the strongest and most developed secondary cast of any show on television. I defy anyone to find its like.
DS9 didn't HAVE a Secondary cast. They really were all main characters in their own right.
This scene is further proof that DS9 was a more grown up version of Trek. The Ferengi were first introduced in TNG as whimsical antagonists meant to demean "greedy capitalism". They were intended to contrast with the advanced egalitarianism of the socialist Federation. Such unnecessarily regressive traditions, such as forbidding clothing to females, went along with this theme. Naturally Roddenberry found out he couldn't have it both ways. The Ferengi could not be an object of continual ridicule while simultaneously existing as a serious threat to the Federation. Slowly the Ferengi were relegated to comic relief, where they remained until DS9. DS9 was the first show that actually tried to do something with Ferengi, and the writers succeeded to such a great effect that some of the most endearing characters in all of Star Trek are Ferengi.
Well, sure. It's been that way during the whole Trek journey. Remember, how Klingons used to be thinly veiled Commies in TOS, with no redeeming value. Now, they've matured, and so have the Ferengi and other races. Trek has grown up. Like all great literature, it transcends cultures and speaks to all people.
Jay Sexton They were never without value in TOS. Errand of Mercy, and Day of the Dove show Klingons as measured, cultured, intelligent, and with motivations that we as the audience are not fully privy too.
erentheca Then they turned back to whimsical antagonists in Voyager. It was quite a step back for Star Trek.
Jay Sexton Then Voyager introduced the Kazon, who are basically mentally disabled Klingons.
most alien cultures in Trek end up being thin stereotypes or traits unless your watching an episode with a really good writer who's taking their time. a lot of the time in the later years Klingons became parodies of themselves where EVERYTHING was about being a warrior to the point where a society couldn't function, even though we'd seen Klingon doctors and scientists in the past. The Hirogeon were just about 'the hunt' and yridians were information dealers/spies etc.
DS9 was really great at building characters. they took Roddenberry's borderline racist characterure of the Ferengi and arguably turned them into the embodiment of the Roddenberry Dream... Flawed people trying to improve themselves.
Honestly the shallowest major race in Star Trek, the race that's had the least true growth in the entire Star Trek series is the one that started out with the most characterization in TOS and the prequels -- the Vulcans. Spock's people have actually regressed, at least relative to the other races. They used to have a high degree of cultural and military superiority, and still seem to feel and act that way, but without us passionate impulsive Humans around the Vulcan homeworld would have fallen HOW many times now?
It's become clear that Vulcans were never really all that wonderful or great or even all that interesting -- It was Spock that was awesome and transcendent and coolly deadly, not the Vulcans themselves.
Every person has a gift. One of the most important things in life is finding out what it is. You can always tell when you've found it if you truly love what you do in your heart.
I'm one of the lucky ones who found it. it takes a lifetime but every experience, good or bad, is a lesson and brings you one step closer to finding out the person you are.
I am reminded of something Maj. Charles Winchester said in an episode of MASH
"The gift of music does not lie in your hands alone. I have HANDS, David.... hands that can make a scalpel sing. More than anything in my life... I wanted to play, but I do not possess the gift. I can play the notes, but I cannot make the MUSIC. For the true gift lies in your head... and in your heart... and in your SOUL. Now you can shut them off forever, or you can find new ways to share your gift with the world, through the baton, the classroom, the PEN! As for these works, these are for YOU. Because you and the piano shall always be as one"
R. I. P.... Nog and Aron both embodied what star trek is all about. Achieving one's dreams despite supposed handicaps amongst fellow people and races. Thank God they found each other because we all better off knowing them and watching them grow on DS9.
Nog..... why do you want to join Starfleet?
Nog: "I want to do something with my life..... I don't want to end up like my father!"
Wesley.... why do you want to join Starfleet?
Wesley: Ionno..... because I-
Shut up, Wesley.
rkmugen Because my Papa, but then an alien gave me a Peyote trip on New North America and I’m over it.
And then suddenly, Wesley was right back in uniform, like nothing with The Traveler even happened...
But... that's Nemesis for ya
Wesley didn't want to join Starfleet, he wanted to be a big baby and disappoint everyone.
@@E-Brightvoid Vision Questing before Commander Chipotle made it cool
@@k1productions87 Word is Wesley showed up to the wedding via Traveler teleport, but he was naked, and someone just gave him a uniform.
The Best scene of Aron Einsenberg, RIP 2019.
this scene is what star trek is all about, going past the flaws of your own culture and becoming something more, something better
Yeah, but the more and better is always something involving Earth and human culture. They never had a human become something more and better by adapting himself to an alien culture. That would have made for an interesting story.
@@odysseusrex5908 Actually they have. The Federation isn't just humans.
@@michaelgreenwood3413 I know that. That was my point. When did they ever show an episode where a human improved himself by adapting himself to an alien culture?
Rest in peace Aron. I would have loved to see a series about how Nog gained his first captaincy.
Play Star Trek Online.
He designed (with help from Scotty and Laforge) and captains the USS Chimera.
This scene, among many others from DS9, speaks to me on a fundamental level. I may not be in my twenties anymore, but that doesn't mean I don't face the same type prejudices and challenges that the character Nog has, sometimes even from my own circle of friends and family. And sometimes, I fail in the attempt. But, I also know that given up completely would mean existing a hollow existence, where, even though I am liked, I'm not "respected" for being an independent, human being with goals and aspirations. It is something that is a constant struggle, but that struggle has to be overcome, even if it takes a lifetime to do so.
I particularly enjoyed the underlying aspect of Sisko being at conflict with what he "knows" about Ferengi and what is right in front of his eyes at that time. There was almost a sense of "I really don't want to like you, but I'm finding it difficult not to" to that scene.
I think it more plausible that he was initially trolling nog in order to get his real motivation. He didn't look that surprised when nog broke down and committed Ferengi heresy...
Great monologue for such a young kid.
Actor was in his 20s during DS9
RIP Aaron Eisenberg the actor who played "Nog"
Was looking for a clip to post in memory of Aron Eisenberg and found the right one. Thank you. May he rest in peace.
Perfect choice 😞
Next good choice will be "I'm scared, Vic" from "Only a Paper Moon"
This was Nog's Kobiyashi Maru.
This clip proves why DS9 was the best of Trek. Love it....
RIP Aron :( Your tenacity lives on, enjoy the voyage in the stars :)
Shame that Aaron Eisenberg died so young, he did a great job in portraying Nog’s growth as a character.
Not only does this show amazing character growth for Nog, but it does a great job in breaking Sisko's prejudice of Ferengi and giving him a wake up call
This was always one of the best scenes of the series.
RIP Aron. Gone way too soon, but your legacy lives forever. Very much proof you can be more than what your society demands you to be.
RIP Aron Eisenberg. The river provided.
Somehow I came across this video a few years ago, before I'd even watched DS9. The writing and acting was so well done that it got me to watch the entire show. I'm glad I did, because DS9 is now my favorite Star Trek series.
one of the few scenes that brings tears to my eyes
"Your never gona regret this" and he never did
I love how at the beginning of this scene Nog is hunched over, the typical Ferengi pose and how we usually saw him up to that point, but by the end of the scene he's standing tall and proud.
Tears in my eyes.
I always liked Nog, he stepped out on faith to live the dream.
Rest In Peace, Aron Eisenberg.
This was one of the great scenes of DS9 - and a defining moment for this character. (And Nog DID make it through Star Fleet!)
Well played, Mr. Eisenberg. Thank you for this.
Actually he never finished the academy, he got a battlefield promotion to ensign for his performances as a cadet.
cried even more, watching this after Arons passing
Did anyone ever notice the prediction elemnt in ST:TNG?
When Riker was in that alien orphans holodeck situation, during the 'lost memory future' scenario, when Riker was Captain of the Enterprise, there was a Ferengi at the helm?
And then, in DS9, Nog gets to serve on the Defiant.
Wonder if that episode was an inspiration for the Nog joining StarFleet storyline.
This is a great acted scene on both parts. Nog for obvious reasons. But this is really one of Brook's better scene's too. At first watch it seems like he's just doing a typical psych evaluation to test the person's real interest in joining. And it is that. Sisko knows exactly how "the test" should be administered. But looking a little closer Brooks does a great job conveying Sisko's obvious prejudice (to that point in the series) about the Ferengi. He never liked or respected them. He knew that this language is what the test required but he also believes what he's saying as well. He's prejudged all of them. Nog educates Sisko and makes him see how wrong he's been. This also leads to Rom becoming an engineer. It's a real turning point for the Sisko character.
It isn’t that Sisko is wrong about the Ferengi, but rather about Nog Proving to Sisko and Himself that he could be Better than what the Ferengi were up to this point. He had to prove himself, just as Worf had to prove that he could behave as a Starfleet Officer. Not everyone has what it takes to serve in Starfleet. And Sisko needed to not only Hear Nog’s reasoning, but know that he had what it takes to stand up for himself, to stand up tall under verbal abuse and stress, and to prove that he wasn’t just scheming.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon I disagree. There are other scenes when he doesn't want Jake to be friends with Nog and tries to separate them. It most certainly was written to be Sisko being "racist" against Ferengi and that continued when Nog applied. He even confronted Nog about it thinking it was a ploy for some sort of financial gain. It was pretty clear.
RIP my friend. Cant watch a scene without tears...
Aron - you are missed! RIP Captain Nog!
In this moment, Nog went from one of my least favorite characters to one of my most favorite. If they ever do another post-TNG TV series, I'd love to see him as a crewman.
He would make a great Chief Engineer.
He would make an AMAZING Chief Engineer.
Josiah Miller he should be the captain or XO his lobes will be put to use that way
SIMONGOU GAGANEV I'm all for that. :D
Josiah Miller
While it's non-canon, Star Trek Online later in the game has you meeting Nog...and he's a captain! In fact before that in Online's backstory, he had a stint as Chief Engineer of the Enterprise-E when Data became captain of that.
I can't believe aron eisenberg, who played Nog, died yesterday of kidney problems. I never knew he was only born with 1 kidney & it wasn't even a good one. He character was awesome. He want from an impish thief to an upstanding startfleet. I know aron was married last fall. I hope his wife was pregnant before he died so he can live on.
Hope you’re enjoying the divine treasury, Aron
Rest in peace, Aaron Eisenberg. One of his best scenes as Nog and a highlight of the series.
Loved this twist in Nog’s journey. This was the point where I went from wishing Nog being erased from canon completely to loving him and wanting nothing more but success for him. Clearly one of the best written characters in canon ever.
One of the scenes that reflect why i love DS9 and why i think it's the best Star Trek series ever made!! RIP Aron, thank you so very much for what you have given the Star Trek community with your work!
Aron was one hell of an actor!
My favorite scene in all of Star Trek. So well written, so well performed, and it makes me cry every time.
Best scene in the whole of Star Trek, slightly better than Data getting his fingers stuck in the finger-trap.
Star Trek has a lot of "best scenes."
No way! Nothing is Better than Data getting his fingers stuck in the trap. I'm gonna fight you! (jk)
Tommy Gunns, Which were often hit or miss.
kek
I respectfully disagree.
"Mr Worf... fire".
RIP Aron Eisenberg. 1969-2019.
Rest in peace nog
This scene made me cry. I had a similar issue trying to become a welder. It's still a good ol' boys club, and women generally aren't welcome into the profession. It took one heartfelt plea and a foreman willing to give me a chance. I worked hard and made it. Now I'm the one the foreman calls upon when he has a tough job that no other welder can do.
I just saw this a few hours ago - first scene from TOS till now that brought me to tears. Thank you for sharing it. Didn't think I'd come to actually like Ferengis after TNG.
Could you post the Nog and Vic conversation about why he doesn't want to leave the holodeck? The episode were Nog has PTSD is very well written and directed.
Ru New "It's only a Paper Moon", my favorite DS9 episode.
@@markirizarry4851 I went and re-watched, same as when I watched it the first time. Cried several times.
And in appreciation for Vic's help in getting Nog back on his feet (literally), Nog gave Vic an incredible gift.
@@k1productions87 A real chance at life and sentience.
This was a beautiful story one of the most important ones imo. His life will lead to captain of his own starship, he will become a genius able to help with temporal concerns in the future and help save everyone from distruction. Nog was absolutely one of the best characters. His father's lack of lobes also ended up helping him in the end, he had compassion which meant more than latinum. He became a new magus when the Ferengi changed from a predatory capitalist society into a democratic socialist society. They were changed by the influence of the beliefs of the Federation and it's history becoming first a Democratic Socialist society and then later a resource based economic society.
We miss you Aron.
'Don't worry. You're never going to regret this!' And he never did.
An amazing character played by an amazing actor, Rest In Peace Aron Eisenberg, thank you for giving us Nog ❤️
Rest in Peace, little one.
Rest in peace - Aron Einsenberg. Wonderful scene about following your own path.
RIP, Aron Eisenberg...your character was my favorite on DSN because of your passion in this very scene! THANK YOU for your awesome gifts to us; will never forget you...
To all those on this comment thread, yesterday Aaron Eisenberg passed away he was 50 please send his family some love and support.
What happened
@@andrewjohnston294 don't know details are not available yet but his wife confirmed yesterday that he did pass away.
This one scene made the entire series for me.
This one scene.
Him talking about his father is powerful.
This scene broke me