Cleopatra - A Drunken Bet - Egyptian History - Extra History - Part 1
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- 📜 Cleopatra: A Drunken Bet - Cleopatra VII Philopator. One of the most famous women of all history with one of the most dramatic stories. We've all heard how she gained the affections of two of the most powerful men of Rome, and committed suicide through snake bite. And while that story is very dramatic, it doesn't really capture the full brilliance of Cleopatra. More than just a romantic figure, Cleopatra was cunning, charismatic, and ruthless. And to understand how she developed into such a fierce politician, we gotta talk about her family, the Ptolemys. Talk about a nest of vipers.
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A previous version of this episode contained a section that caused confusion about the historical material. In light of this, we have decided to re-upload an updated version with the section cut. We'll discuss the reasons for this decision in Lies, but we felt it was appropriate in this instance. Thank you for bringing it to our attention and we'll strive to do better in the future.
Hi ok
gobble me swallow me
Oh yeah I was wondering that
Oh, now I get it
Ohh I watched the first one too lmao
Poor Aspen. He's just excited for his role.
FREE ASPEN!
He needs to learn his stage cues though
Aspen got KO for his troubles
Nouran Ahmed Im number 250.
Execute order 66bc
4:43. Missed opportunity. Shoulda named the book “Mummies for dummies”
R Q my god your right
I thought the book below that was “Cato Eyes” as in Cato the Elder or Younger. Not sure why that would relate to Egypt
Very good call sir.
XD
This is too good lol
"Cleopatra dunked on them all"
Imperator Caesar Divi Filius Augustus After Dunking so hard on Cleopatra she literally killed herself: Am I a joke to you?
He dunked on her with an army. She dunked on him with out
@@manticore2804 I feel like a army is far better than not having one
I would much rather be dunked on by someone without an army than someone with an army
Cleopatra VII of the ptolemaic dynasty who dunked on Octavius by killing herself so she couldn't be displayed as a victory trophy by him:Yes you very much are
@@CollinMcLean I mean getting absolutely destroyed in a war and then not getting paraded doesn't sound like a win to me.
Despite your emphasis on the Ptolomies willingness to absorb egyptian culture, I think it's important to note that in the 100+ years they ruled egypt, Cleopatra was the first ptolomy to actually bother learning egyptian
Actually they all somewhat learned Egyptian. Cleopatra was the only one to learn it fluently.
Alexander "died without an heir" should really be 'without an viable adult heir' sinve both his half brother Phillip III and his infant son Alexander IV did exist. Albeit that Phillip suffered some sort of cognitive problems since birth and Alexander was born after his father's death. I mean he even almost became King before Cassander had him poisoned.
Mereel401 Extra History *really* needs to do a proper series on Alexander the Great (and maybe a separate one on the aftermath of his death) - his story is full of interesting stuff and it had such a huge impact on a big chuck of both West and East.
Zveebo yeah, diadochi war can get pretty confusing
Fun fact: Plutarch actually described Cleopatra as rather plain looking, but with a great deal of charm. The idea of her being a famous beauty was either to flatter Caesar for his latest catch and/or to make Mark Anthony look like a guy befuddled by a pretty face.
History is just game of thrones but free.
And we are a part of it.
Game of Throne takes inspiration from History.
It's like saying WWII is free-to-play COD.
@@FeyTheBin a COD experience to die for. literally sometimes.
And like GoT, the most recent season is poorly written.
I mean, cmon, the writers Cleary didn't give a crap about logic and believability anymore, they only cared about making who ended up on the White Throne a surprise twist.
Totally up for Cleopatra story, she did so much, and is known for only a few of her achievements.
Little iffy on the statement that she one upped Octavian, he was the eventual winner of the Roman civil wars that she was involved in after all.
Yeah Cleopatra definitely backed the wrong horse on that one.
Well, she denied Octavian the chance to have her killed at the end of his triumph. like what happened with Vercingetorix.
@@thirteen3 The Gauls just couldn't get a break after Carthage died.
@@thirteen3 yes, after he'd beaten her and Mark Antony. That was more like a final middle finger before defeat than one upping someone
I mean who do people regonize, Cleopatra or Octavian
I like to think Octavian, just as he was about to turn Egypt into his personal property, had a laugh at the idea that someone two thousand years later would describe such a thing as cleopatra dunking on him.
I guess she gave him a small middle finger by killing herself and not being a part of his Triumph, and avoided humiliation? But what is that compared to all of Mare Nostrum? What is that compared to the Jewel that is Egypt? What is that to an Emperor of all Rome?
I will love the ending of this.... Ave Octavian
A V E * A V G V S T V S
Yeah that ones weird, Octavian beat Cleopatra, and from what I know she never dunked on Julius Caesar. Or Antony
@@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 I agree. I lean towards the left, but I hate how extracredits seems to more and more shape history to their convenience to seem "woke", in this case by selling the story of the flawless, perfect ruler that Cleopatra (despite her genius) certainly wasn't.
Please, Make the Viper a recurrent character. Zoey needs another animal friend.
Yes! "Aspen" show show up every time they call a person a viper.
They had a dog made of water show up during the Majapahit series to chase Zoey about.
abcdef27669 it’s gonna be the snake that bites cleopatra at her death
Yes, I figured that out already. However, I would like to see "Aspen" as a recurring character. :)
Yes. We need more!
If anyone wants a somewhat longer telling of just how messed up the Ptolemies were, Blue on Overly Sarcastic Productions has a hysterical video where he basically loses his shit trying to describe their family tree, and how it came to be so... intertwined.
When your family tree becomes a family circle
@@F22onblockland Yep. Cleopatra is probably one of the only major figures in history to win the incest lottery. She somehow got all of her family's good traits, and none of the bad ones.
@@jasonblalock4429 wasn't one of her grandmas a Seleucid?
Ah yes, it's on their channel's Podcast playlist. I love it And I think he has a classmate of his also in on the talk. It's hilarious and informative.
3:08 why is the horse having a midlife crisis
If that's Bucephalus (Alexander's favorite horse) , he actually died of exhaustion. Maybe that's got something to do with it.
@@peroz1000 Wait. He died of EXHAUSTION? I thought Bucephalus was KILLED during the Battle Of Hydaspes River?
@@kevinnorwood8782 Some sources say that. Others blame old age and/or exhaustion.
www.wikiwand.com/en/Bucephalus
Why does it have its eyes in front of its face, really
It's an ancestor of Bojack Horseman
So the Ptolemies were a family that partook in incest and murdered each other a lot?
I'll just put this here: Crusader Kings 3
Unfortunately, you'll have to wait for DLC or Mods to do a 50BC start
@@draco84oz *bruh.*
@@draco84oz there's already one for the bronze-age but nothing for the roman times unfortunately
You can pretty easily build that with the faith system. Divine Marriage and kinslaying always legal, fun times :D.
They must have cheated on and cuckolded each other a lot too, how else would they managed to survive so many generations of parent-child and full-sibling incest?
"She got a pretty nose" -Panoramix
👍🤣
Well, now the English version of 'Arsenic Cake' is stuck in my head.
@@barbaragagner7053 "Le Gâteau à l'arsenic" yeah, that was awesome 👍😊
Ah, I see you too are a man of culture...
Be honest. You'd also cut the cake into "3 slices" like that too, huh?
Octavian dunked so hard on her that he took Egypt as his own Imperial Domain, making him the richest man in history.
"How about we start with a drunken wager"
I feel a strange disturbance in the viewership, as if a million DnD players all groaned at once and were suddenly silent
I like how passionate Extra Credits is with reposting content after at first posting it and realising it was wrong after a few hours. Even if it is the middle of the night or day
I fail to see how she dunked on octavian.
Laughs in Latin
she's a powerfull woman you see! , she must dunk on mighty western men so we apreciate her! .
Jjesus, they aint triying to hide the wokeness.
Stares
Wokeness. That’s how.
It's less of Cleopatra "Dunking" on Octavian and more of Cleopatra managing to make one last throw just as the clock ran out and scoring the basket... Even though Octavian was already far ahead in points anyway.
For those wondering 5:34, originally they accused the Ptolemaic dynasty of "cultural appropriation".
Oh, yeah I thought that statement was rather flippant. Its much more a case of cultural capture (or whatever you want to call it), where foreign rulers adopt the local traditions.
I thought that was just a joke.
anyone with a brain, could tell that, chaing your culture, to match the place you now live, is assmilation
@@anamarvelo That's the problem- if you tell a joke that's not really funny, people think you're serious and get confused.
@@Rikmach But the thing is, it certainly wasn't a joke, the stereotypical Egyptian dance thing sure, but i'm sure that the statement wasn't. And if it was, that was a rather stupid and weird joke to place in there
@@Imperiused It's also a bit overstated because they really didn't. The whole "Cleopatra was the first to learn to speak Egyptian" should have tipped everyone off on that. The Macedonians had a largely Greek styled court with Greek speaking advisors with Greek fashions.
That then dressed up in Egyptian garb and performed the Egyptian religious ceremonies when it became appropriate for them to do so.
The Pearl cocktail was the edible gold of their time.
5:30
The first video said something about “a tradition of westerners partaking in cultural appropriation” at this part but it’s gone now.
yup they edited it out
come on that line was mood though
Bullying works, kids. Never forget this 😂
@@ArmandoMPR Well, less bullying and more pointing out that using modern terminology in an inappropriate historical context is misleading, but view it however you like.
Well, Egypt influence the greeks and macedonians more than the other way around....
They doing my boy Aspen wrong by sidelining him. #sneks
Still surprised they didn't make a "heck" joke.
@Aidan Hoffman And a beach ball when things get REALLY dark.
>"Cleopatra dunked on Caesar, Antony and Octavian"
> *I wonder which of those four was the last to rule Egypt*
Lol I just finished watching the earlier version.
Cleber Marques
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Me too
@ALSO-RAN ! That's good... as I said in my comment before it was removed for the re-upload:
"I don't know about 'appropriation' as he wasn't taking it away from them as that what the word means (or should mean...), but more trying too hard to fit in a place he doesn't really belong with for power."
I'm glad they took that out as it makes more sense now.
@@stelrax6519 cant ur three hours late
Lol
Really arguing she outwitted Augustus? The writers know how her life and kingdom ended right?
She outwitted him one time, they never said she was so much smarter than him or anything.
@@Jim58223 Jesus fuck, all they did was say she tricked the man one time, fuck off.
@@Jim58223 where as you don't sound biased at all.
Glad yall fix your mistake of nonsensically accusing the ptolemy of cultural appropriation
A remarkable a woman as Cleopatra was, I'm always upset whenever I think about her legacy. She was undoubtedly one of the most brilliant people of her era, yet when people hear her name today they'll likely only consider her a side-character in the stories of Romans like Julius or Mark. She deserved more appreciation than that 😟
imagine thinking Cleopatra "dunked" on Augustus
So they removed the cultural appropriation part. Good riddance.
Extra History: “how do we start this series and episode?”
Me: “ *THE SNAKES BIRTH* “
It’s like starting the story of the assassination of Julius Caesar with the birth of the smith who made Brutus’s dagger
That would have been a great start
Hey i saw this on the original version.
Cleo didn't dunk on Octavian. He was too Skoda-ish for her expensive taste
Octavian dunked on Cleopatra so hard she committed suicide
yeah I wonder why they said she dunked on him he outright destroyed her entire plot to rule the empire.
@@charlesramirez587 wokeness
Damn, even though she's dead for over 2000 years, she still managed to steal my heart and countless others hearts.
I liked the video but personally, I wouldn't say that she "dunked" on Ceasar because from my understanding they "dunked" together. Antony however, she definitely dunked on by making him one of history's greatest simps. But Agustus defiantly dunked on her by you know wining the war killing her children and officially conquering her home, but she did go out like a boss.
Well Agustus didn’t kill all her children just Ceasarion, her twins Cleopatra VIII Selene and Alexander Helios were kept alive and lived as his neice and nephew. Though at some point Alexander fell off the face of the earth because not much is known about him past his and his sister’s adoption.
Cleopatra actually brokered a deal with Octavian to have her children spared: he did kill Caesarion for obvious reasons but he kept his end of the deal with her other children.
Didn't Alexander have a son and heir, but he was basically igroned.
A very quick search says: "…Alexander's posthumous son by Roxana, Alexander IV, as kings, sharing out the satrapies among themselves, after much bargaining. The empire could hardly survive Alexander's death as a unit. Both kings were murdered, Arrhidaeus in 317 and Alexander in 310/309."
Cleopatra was greek by blood, in fact she was so fair skinned she could pass as an actual greek citizen.
There’s a really good video by Lady of the Library that discusses Cleopatra’s family lineage and how, while mostly being Greek, there are a few notable gaps and uncertain parentages where it’s possible that non greek blood could slip in.
Your naming the snake "Aspen" got me slithering on the floor laughing.
Way better than the new documentary ❤🤣
Heh, "vanilla homicide."
6:28 They murdered poor mattresses. That’s totally unacceptable! 😱😡😭
If being forced to kill yourself and having your family legacy turned into the personal property of the Roman Emperor than by all means Cleopatra dunked on Octavian.
Even though I really enjoyed the episode I thought that some times it confused which facts applied to general history of Ptolemaic Egypt with those only relevant to the years that Cleopatra was alive. For instance it mentions that Ptolemaic Egypt was not famous for its military might, which is true during the years before Cleopatra's birth, but is inaccurate for most of the existence of the Ptolemaic dynasty. Ptolemaic Egypt between 323-198 BCE processed one of the most powerful militaries in the ancient world. While Rome was fighting Carthage during the Punic Wars, Egypt was fighting an even larger conflict, the Syrian Wars, against its great rival the Seleucid Empire. It was only after the great Seleucid victory at the Battle of Panium, during the Fifth Syrian War, that Ptolemaic military power completely collapsed (with only brief military revivals after this date). It is still a great episode but it just needed a bit more care to clearly define when it is talking about general Ptolemaic history and when its discussing Cleopatra's story. As a side note can I just mention how sad it is that the Syrian Wars, one of the largest and most heart breaking conflicts in the ancient world, is largely completely forgotten.
Cleopatra dunked on Octavian? Did someone timetravel to change history while I wasn't looking?
The Asp was NOT happy! Love a sense of humor inserted in a story...
That moment when the EH team makes a better documentary about Cleopatra than Netflixs.
Sweet Home Ptolemaic Egypt, where the skies are so blue......
What a great start to a new history series! Ali's artwork and puns are great, as usual. The character of Aspen (and his name) is a clever addition. Things I really liked: the hieroglyphics with people and critters in the Extra History drawing style (especially the hieroglyphics that show Matthew, Zoey, Ali and her child) the book titles, "Matricide," Aspen's cameos, Game of Egyptian thrones and Zoey in a cute pharonic head dress. Also like how you portrayed Cleopatra - it seems like you based her look on the images of her from coins from the period. I look forward to the next segment.
for those who are curious the cut happens at the part around 5:30, something about cultural appropriation
Cleo: *is birthed at 69*
Everyknownbody: *Inhales* Nice
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Cleopatra probably had skin as light as the romans and definitely had skin as light as the Greeks because she’s Greek.
Exactly! Pre-Ottoman Empire Greek
Eric Schwartz yes the people in the Mediterranean were lighter skinned before the Arab and Turkish conquest.
cmon man, she had one very distant (possibly fair skinned) persian ancestor!
She must have tanned a lot.
@@SimonBuchanNz considering she was royalty imagine she avoided as much as possible.
Looks like they took out the "Cultural Appropriation" comment. Good move Extra History!
ALSO-RAN ! Yeah, the way the Ptolomies took on a fair bit of the trappings of Egypt was hardly unique in the ancient world (or even in Egypt itself). The comment didn’t make much sense.
Yeah it seemed kind of silly how they alluded to the Vikings being good for assimilating into the local fellow white Slavic culture, but that the Greeks were nasty and bad cultural appropriators for trying to assimilate into a non-white culture.
She.... doesn’t *look* pre-Ottoman Greek
This is a very specific, optimistic view of the ptolemy's.
Cleopatra: Time for a game of disappearing Ptolemies.
The mystery of Ahmed ziad turk continues
100% an oil prince from the middle east
@@lacanm1554
His surname is literally "Turk".
= "from the middle east"
...wut?
@@cometmoon4485 Aren't there Turkmen in the Middle East? The Turkish army invaded Syria to assist Turkmen ethnic groups in fighting Assad.
1) Can we get the Aspen as a reoccurring character? Ashton the Aspen maybe?
2) I’ve been waiting for the Cleopatra episode for years! She’s the reason I got into history. I learned about her and got obsessed with ancient Egypt in kindergarten. Because of that I’m now twenty one years old and learn about history for fun XD
"Mummification for dummies"
"Cat Eyes"
"So You're a God Now"
The 3 basics of ruling Egypt.
This channel truly has a series on everything. I'm expecting this once again to turn my understanding on it's head, though autocorrect said underwear
7:42
I didn't knew Cleopatra could speak Quechua :')
I might be high right now. Buuuuut hear me out.
Imagine a D&D party with Cleopatra, Julie D'Aubigny, Ibn Battuta, and Walpole. The sheer chaos can only be imagined.
That's the most beautiful idea for a DnD party I've ever heard
Don’t forget bismark
Ibn Battuta would be complaining under his breath about how the orcs in the dungeon aren't comforming to Islamic hygeine laws, D'Aubigny would likely get carried away and challenge someone to an actual duel, whilst Cleopatra would be busy plotting to usurp the DM, unaware that Walpole has been pulling everyone's strings from the very beginning.
Fate Grand Order currently has a re-run of a Halloween event where Cleo teams up with Liz Bathory, Wu Zetian (only Chinese woman ruler) and Amazoness com CEO (Penthesilea, not Bezos) who delivers items to NEET princess Japanese yokai spirit in Csejte Pyramid Himeji Castle. There's also a bunch of robot Elizabeths. With rocket arms. And a biker. Your party also can be a thing.)))
3:35 When Alexander died in 323 BCE he DID have a surviving son, born of Queen Roxana two months after Alexander died. This son "reigned" as Alexander IV of Macedon until 309 BCE when, as the regency under Cassander was about to end, came down with a sudden and mysterious case of death along with his maybe half-brother Heracles. Maybe this will be expanded on in the "Lies" segment of this series if there is one.
When I read Cleopatra's biography I was so surprised! Thank you for this series.
I hope you do something on the Wars Of The Diadochi, between the successor states of the Macedonian Empire, with the top players being the Ptolemies, the Antigonid Dynasty in Macedonia and the Seleucids, born of Seleucus the Victor ruling over quite a large chunk of Alexander’s old empire. It’s such an underrepresented and epic point in history, filled with intrigue and battles between some of the greatest generals of the age.
Also it’s strange that you say she dunked on Octavian, when Octavian was the one that defeated her and Antony, and didn’t fall for her seduction like Caesar and Marky Mark did, and was gonna bring her back to Rome to show her off as a trophy being executing her. Safe to say Cleopatra backed the wrong horse, geez Octavian was quite the ruthless young man. Infact I don’t think she ever dunked on Julius, Julius just loved her, not for her looks (Caesar had sex with any women that made eye contact with him), but for the fact she was just really interesting to talk to.
When it comes to getting dunked on by Cleopatra, don't lump Octavian along with Caesar and Antony.
But if running away from the Battle of Actium, losing her army and navy and eventually her kingdom, having to commit suicide to escape being taken prisoner and having one child murdered while three others paraded in a triumph in golden chains is considered being dunked on, then sure, Cleopatra dunked on Octavian.
Danger Noodles
This series is so so good! And accurate! I even learned some new stuff about her! Thanks so much for actually putting time into this unlike msa!
Spoiler: Octavian dunked so hard on her she killed herself
Lol so true
Cleopatra: *attempts to seduce Octavian like Caesar and Mark Antony*
Octavian: Virginity is cool. Remain pure 😎
*Actium Noises intensifies*
I mean I find more amazing a kid who managed to outsmart the entire know world while also fighting against his poor health, that also had an amazing talent to pick the right men for a job and who didn't screwed up Caesar's legacy
Bogdan Ionuț Agrippa deserves half of the credit for Actium just like Labienus in Gaul
5:34 if you were wondering
They cut the "cultural aprotiation" bit?
@@tomihodet354 yep
"She dunked on Octavian"
Who won at Actium again? And what happened after that particular battle?
If its the advisers killing royalty surely that's regicide
Nice to see that you wisened up.
Still love the snake though.
I watched the video on Kings and Generals on the fighting over Alexander's corpse. Sound like an Age of Empire ii "get the relic (which is what the corpse is )" mission.
“Enjoy life together… The height of their revels…” 6:49 pm.
5:21 is where I think they cut out the part about the Ptolemys being the first cultural appropriates if people are wondering.
Yes that what I recall.
“She was a Ptolemy through and through.”
Gross.
Aaah I was waiting for this for so long!
Cleopatra, being born in 69BC: It's like, I was born for this.
Cleopatra is so famous that people don't even call her Cleoparra VII, just Cleopatra.
I loved this video! I wish there was a series about the aztecs or the conquest of Alexander the great!
The cobra's name Aspen obviously refers to the archiac name for them: 'asp', but I find it funny because aspen fibre is what a lot of reptile hobbyists use as bedding in enclosures.
Thank You Patrons. Great work carry on.
Very funny to depict a Greek girl significantly darker skinned than an Italian man
Why is this story better than Game of Thrones?
Because history is always more fascinating
GoT would have been more fascinating if it were real, but alas.
Oh man!!!!! Im so ready for this
Cleopatra was the total Badass
Good video guys!
Cleopatra most certainly did not dunk on Augustus. She may have killed herself on her own terms but he beat her armies. Captured or killed her kids. Conquered her home. And is the one who left a far greater impact on the world. Doesn’t sound like a dunk to me.
Interesting enough to be worth a second watch.
I really appreciate the multiple appearances of the senet gaming board.
"I am the Senet"
So, since Cleopatra’s Macedonian family tree looks like a ladder how does Ptolemy look Greek but Cleopatra is presented here as looking Egyptian?
If you are talking about skin, it is probably because of tan.
Reminds me of Cleopatra from Space.
I don't know about her dunking on them exactly, especially Octavian. He got the ultimate dunk on her in the end
Will you guys do an episode on King Sejong in the future? Really love your stuff!
2:22 she died 2000 years ago why yall still simpin for her
I’m putting this here cause I don’t know any jokes yet
EC: Let start with a drunken bet
Me: Cheers I'll drink to that bro
Aspen is so cute❤ Its a lovely name for a cobra. They get such a bad rap, they are really amazing and beautiful.
Poor Snake >:(
0:15 I have a bad feeling about this...
What could you do in in a drunken wager
@Zamtrios 7256 what couldn’t I do?
I love that the graphic puns are coming back!
There is a story back when Rome was still a regional growing power and there was a low level magistrate in Alexandria when the Seleucids were about today siege. The magistrate walked out and drew a line in front of the Seleucid king and said if you step across this line you answer to the might if Rome. The Seleucid withdrew out of Egypt.
An Egyptian Asp, named Aspen. I see what you did there.