Final GIANT TCR review - not great. Thoughts on the 2025 frame
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Embargos are often disobeyed though , especially with newsletters and magazine articles .
That seat misalignment would drive me mad. I can feel a 1 degree difference when it's out of position.
Yeh its bad. Really notice it more now with a wide nose saddle
Me too I mean there should be a class action suite against Giant for making a breaking bike that kills sliding seat posts and possibly causes health issues from the failed ISP angle making the seat rub against the thigh. Twice as bad for us thick thighed riders. And who wants a butt bruiser? Not a bike and company for me. QC bah the issues are laughable and damage issues life threatening. Sprinting heavy rider sitting breaking the seatpost is a recipe to a fall under a bus. It is worse than incompetent it is criminal negligence at least. And for the price of the bike unbelievable. Thank you Peaktorque for the honest review, a lot has to change before I buy a Giant. Now that company is in the never category. 😢
Not great, but not all bad. 8 Years on TCRs and never a clicking bottom bracket. What should I try next?
Custom frame builder. Rob English, Framework etc.
Great roundup😊A few ideas: Merida Reacto, the next Time aero frame, Look Blade 795 RS.
The Propel?
Defy
It's super boring but I love my SL8. I don't have the S works version and it weighs 6.16kg
Hey PT, you're a brave man for running those tires on gravel! Hope the 23mm internal width of the Polaris 42 took the edge off the frame stiffness, and thanks for giving the wheels a pounding!
Just been and checked after this and my 2019 defy sliding seatpost has cracked under the clamp. Same sharp edges as yours always done up to spec with a torque wrench. Thanks for the heads up! Will find another post and either round off the edges of the clamp or get a more recent one.
Ouch. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
@@PeakTorquemuch better than finding out the hard way!
@13:30... the Nero kit graphics are fabulous (Chris Miller, Jesse Coyle)... I gotta check their merch store and get me some!
Yeah mine had the paint peeling but i think they re-sprayed some finish so its been fine. I've been thinking hard about the Defy because our roads so bad. Good to know the other seat post is more comfy but if the price doesn't come down i might as well go with the Propel for those aero gains.
Hey Peak Torque, thanks for this. Love my TCR Adv Pro, fits 32mm for gravel no problem. Question: how did you get the 11s di2 to work with the fsa alloy bars? Did you drill a hole for the junction box?
Yeh i drilled 3 holes in the drops and hood area. I would not attempt that in carbon bars! In the build video you can see the process
I love this channel. I watched all the reviews possible about this frame and no one talked about these problems at all!
Must say I've not had any problems with my 2017 tcr adv sl. Well, i did fit the shim steel on mine after you did a video on it, but it wasn't as wobbly as yours, which would be the same as the green frame. Think it has rubbed the paint at the bottom bit of clamp before that a tad, but hasn't damaged the carbon. the top cut is fine on mine as well. I ran a big flat file over it to get it pretty flat. My seat is perfectly straight compared to the blue frame, though. was checked with lazer. Have you checked the seat clamp part as the alu does wear it did on my older one. You're probably a lot harder on it with your size/ weight and immense watts😉. I'd go for a specialized they seem to be regarded as being made with pixie dust for some reason, with the failing steerer tubes and exploding wheels and marketing bollocks making out it's an aero frame 😂
No issue with the the 2014 either
Bought a Giant/Liv Avail AR for my mum a few years back. I expected the D-shaped seat post to be an amazing solution to the problem of getting the saddle straight. Then I realised that the seat post would do what the saddle clamp on your TCR does when I tighten the clamp. My mum never noticed. But I can’t look at the bike anymore without noticing and feeling the urge to do something about it.😨
Poor mum!
The TCR Adv Pro sliding seat post torque is 6nm. Mine started to creak, so I slipped a shim of tin sheeting, and problem solved.
The seat post clamp mechanisms do require regular cleaning, and re carbon pasting.
Now off to check out whether the seat is pointing in the right direction .
Mine Orbea Terra has a similar seatpost wedge design which already destroyed one seatpost and overall the seatpost tends to slide down sometimes despite tightening to correct torque(8 nm!). But I see that not only Orbea does it. Why just not use a traditional seatpost clamp, at least on gravel bikes. So many problems caused by these modern seatpost wedges.
Have the 2023 TCR SL Team colour frameset and I have to say the ISP has been perfect for the 3 months of use its had so far. I was expecting the ISP clamp to have play and issues but mine slides on like a glove and hasn't shown any signs of damaging the top of the carbon where they interface. I'm a bit of a lump in cycling terms at 83kg as well so I think I have just been lucky so far. I will check the saddle alignment as I feel like one side is perhaps sticking out but i'll get a laser on it.
All in all I love the bike and lets be honest, the ISP just looks amazing.
@3:40 ... love the rear mudguard!!
Where can I buy this rear mudguard?
@@asdfaf343r4 As far as I know, it's a custom one-off designed and 3D printed by PT. He has a video on it.
Really good review, love how honest it is. Would love to get this generation TCR in the non-ISP advanced pro model but live in a hilly area and am worried about the reports of speed wobble. Do you have any insight or knowledge on how widespread the speed wobble issue is with the non-isp version?
I'm hoping that giant sorted it for more recent frames but can't find anything to support this online. Any info would be appreciated. Cheers
Never had speed wobble. Never had much speed! Nah in seriousness this one has been fine up to 80kmh!
Thanks, appreciate the response :)
Screw that! 27.2mm no faff seat posts for the win.
It’s amazing that we tolerate such ridiculous proprietary seat post systems just to save a few watts. Yet how many watts are lost due to not being comfortable or being able to dial in your fit perfectly?.
I’m still on two rim break bikes. Bike with traditional seat posts. One of the major things stopping me from going to disc is the lack of options for road bikes with traditional seat posts.
Aethos?
Rode a 2016 TCR SL for 6 years and thats enough for me. Had the off centre saddle issue, seatpost clamp ate away at the height markings (luckily it was just the paint and not the carbon). Finally BB was out of shape, I could push in the pressfit BB with my hands with little to no resistance.
I used electric tape to help get the seat straight and act like your rubber stopper. It worked but it needed to be checked after each ride and replaced a lot. That’s why I went to the non isp 2021 tcr.
My Scott Addict has a stupid square stem but if it was even half a degree out on the seat post I would throw it against the wall. Lucky the rim brakes work great for my use case. Time?
Same issue with the seat wedge on my 2014 Cervelo S3. Two seat posts have deformed and I have never gone above about 4-5nm which is under spec.
I have the TCR Advanced Pro 0 2021 model. I think that this particular version was probably the best TCR out of all the TCRs of that generation. I didn't like the fixed seat post of the SL version to start with as it offered no flexibility in height adjustment. The new TCR 2024/5 is over £1000 more than what I paid for mine. That is unreal and I wouldn't buy another one on that principle. But I do love my TCR
It does you just have to measure twice cut once. You get 40mm of spacers
@@dickieblench5001 it's still not worth the extra few thousand, imo!
basically the tcr adv sl and the tcr adv pro is two different bike with one TCR name, the stiffness changes a lot.
That's called inflation... Giant's prices are actually somewhat reasonable compared to other companies and with the inflation from 2021 to 2024🤷🏻♂️
@@WestKernowCyclistthe Giant US website has a 2024 TCR Advanced Pro Frameset for $2100.
@peaktoque My Wahoo Power pedals died because of a charging problem. To get the warranty replacement I had to strip the threads so it cannot be stripped. Would you like the pedals to tear apart and inspect?
I’ve cracked two seat posts on the TCR too and have the original clamp on my 2016/7 TCR.
Refused to warranty this with me too.
Shocking!
would you consider getting an aethos to replace your TCR?
will it solved the problem if they make it like trek old emonda with round semi isp seapost?
The seat clamp on the older tear-drop shaped ISP isn't ideal, but the newer flat back of the truncated-aerofoil or D-shaped mast on the latest Giant SL models does interface better with the clamp, and requires much less torq on the clamping bolt. I do always put a full round of protect film on my '23 Propel's seat mast when I cut it down for the last six times, and neither the paint nor the film have any apparent mark, quite a big contrary to all the scars on the seat mast of my late '17 Propel (may it RIP).
What saddle is on the bike? I like the look of the shape of it
@PeakTorque have a 2019 TCR Advanced with standard seatpost and had exactly the same issue with the seatpost wedge wrecking the seatpost at the interface. Any suggestions, filing sharp corners off the wedge??
I tried warranty years ago and of course, sir, you have over tightened the clamp, sir we suggest you buy a torque wrench, or sir any work done not by our shop voids the warranty, this is not a problem sir. I nearly hit him with it. I decided 80 British pounds was better spent on a new one than another minute talking to that individual. But yeh. Round all the corners on every single part of the clamp would be my advice
Had a 2017 advanced pro same issue with the seat post crack and off center saddle. I ditched almost all western brand since then I’m on a winspace SLC 2.0 and have had zero issues ever since kind of sad when you look at a company that’s been around a fraction of the time that giant has and they’ve already perfected their craft.
Pedals, handlebar, yes, but I have never had to remove the cranks to fit a bike in a bike box. Am I missing something?
2016+ top cap? Can't find one on ya website. I've got Hambini locking on the bike need some Torque Tech also 🙏🤞
Good point. I’ll add it to the list
the same problem occur on my TCR too, the saddle not pointing to center of the bike (point to right side like in this Video), lately I assume it's because the seatpost twist when tightening the clamp but it happen on your ISP too. So I think there's something wrong with saddle clamp.
I'm kind of intrigued/surprised you can get this in a bike box: I'd written off the idea of ever managing that with mine, without having tried. Can you get it in the back of a hatchback too? (fellow lanky streak of piss here, bought my frame from Ben Turner)
Cant wait for your new TCR demo!
Okay crank turn around isn't quite as bad as it was they seem to have some stock in the uk. The warranty department is a bit slow though and takes them 10 days to get to their emails.
I love the look of TCRs through the years. What's the bar bag? Does it have internal partitions/pockets to stop phone/tools/keys rattling/bumping?
Just on there for the gravel ride to carry 3 spare tubes and some snacks. I hate saggy back pockets
On my 2021 TCR (not an SL) with OD2 steerer there is also what I consider a design problem.
1 - The steer tube expander is built in an hourglass shape - so that it is only pushing out on the steer tube at the exact spot where the stem is clamping. If you assume the expander has full straight walls like is normal, you still won't notice this one is different until you take it out of the steer tube and take it apart. That plug can only be positioned at the top of the steer tube so this means you should NEVER EVER lower the stem itself - you must cut the steer tube however much you want to lower it. (Or, replace the expander plug.
2 - The internal clamping surface of the stems (the Contact SL aluminum ones) is too small AND the corners that move inward while you are clamping the stem to the steer tube have edges that are too sharp (exact 90 degree angle corners). These cause those corners of the stem to dig into and deform the steer tube! That happened on mine. I was able to cut off enough steer tube to get to the undamaged part and flipping the stem upward from there was right for my position. To fix this you need to perhaps file the corner of the stem to be a bit more rounded, or use a different stem entirely. But if you use a different stem with a bigger clamping area then you might also need to replace the expander plug. Mine originally got damage when I had been raising and lowering the stem without knowing about #1 above. But I still worry that the same problem is happening (because of problem 2). If I buy a new fork it's definitely going to be the normal OD1 (1 1/8? outer diameter) size.
Other than these issues I love the bike and I'm still happy I bought it (at a good discounted price)
I am on my third seat post for the sliding version of my 2019 TCR. Same problem. The third is also knackered so i just stocked up on two more spares in Thailand.
Did they warranty it? Lots of other similar comments.
@@PeakTorque No, i guessed they would just say i overtightened it so I didn’t bother. Maybe I will now.
You absolutely should complain. When enough people do it Giant may enough of their head out their behind to see. I do not trust them to get their noses out but you gotta start somewhere 😅
That’s a bit of a shame that the ISP design didn’t consider the delaminating of the carbon where it interfaces with the clamp. Great review as usual. No shite review :) love the Polaris wheels as well! 😊
That misaligned saddle issue would absolutely do my head in!
Just put round f’ing seat posts in f’ing bicycle frames !!!!!!!!!!!!
I've got the 2021 TCR (non-ISP) and I've had the same problems. The original clamp put too much pressure on the seat post and deformed the carbon. I've had 2 or 3 seat posts from Giant, and it was only truly fixed with the new clamp. Giant never told me about the new design... I only found out about the new clamp on WW. Interestingly, I never had an issue with them replacing the seat post through the warranty process. Albeit, it took a long time for them to deliver new ones!
I also have the same issue with the saddle not pointing straight. I haven't tested it with a laser, but I'm confident my eyes don't deceive me. I think my only other grievance is them reducing the thickness of the paint, seems like the most pointless thing. Aside from that I've been really happy with the bike.
Same story for me with that seat post clamp. They gave me new frame , but no new seatpost…. Ridiculous
The E Post on my old Look 595 has an elastomer interface between the frame and the seat post that works very well and the seat is dead straight too. Of course if I was searching for another bike now I'd consider the new Look 785 Huez with its old fashioned 27.2 mm seat post.
Same. Im eyeing up the 875 Huez. Simple.
Love my TCRs, but both my SLs required shim steel and my adv pro cracked the post. Everything exactly as you said
Thanks
Did you ever get speed wobbles? I did and many I know also did (from cheapest to SL frames).
I got speed wobbles with my propel. Teeeeerrifying stuff. Never had that on any other bike. Never understood why either.
Had one during a race on my cervelo s3 no idea why but it’s scary. I haven’t hear of tcr’s being any more prone to them than any other frame
Never on this and its been pretty fast down the Galibier!
Only as a kid on my mountain bike. Never on anything else after that
Not on my tcr. Inc ventoux
Thanks for the review.
I also had issues with the TCR advanced pro (rim frameset like yours) & went through 3 seatposts £150 each time 😮. I kind of figured out what was going on in the end and got the dremel out and put a nice little chamfer on the top of the wedge like you mentioned. Crazy how they left it like that - knife edge digging into the post .
My Mrs now has the version of TCR you have but the advanced pro not ISP. I’ve not checked the wedge but it’s nice to hear they changed the wedge & chamfered- I did notice it’s 5nm not 7 .
I hope Giant UK loan you the latest to review .
Seatpost issues apart the TCR is still the best bike I’ve ever ridden 👍
Yeh the crap design engineer who made that clamp obviously never had any real world experience of clamped components. Typical of the bike industry. Ruins otherwise a good bike.
You get the same issues with the seatpost clamp and seatpost damage on the 22+ Revolt if using a round seatpost. I have many members on our Revolt forum that have suffered
The ISP hassle would be terrible enough. That alone would be a no-go, but the fact that the seatpost wears out over time is unacceptable. But the seat misalignment is even worse.
The clamping problem of the Giant frame without ISP is unfortunately a classic problem with aero seatposts. Most aero seatposts clamp like shit! I destroyed a post on my Rim-S5, which was probably also undersized. The small locking screw of the clamping wedge had come loose and the post tended to slip. Whether it was because of this or because of the extreme bump, I destroyed the post in a hard bump in the half-shadow with my slack 64 kg. Also at the front. The new post without offset took over half a year in Corona times, that's how long I had to ride with the setback post. Funnily enough, the new seatpost clamps quite well at 5 nm, while the old one was still slipping at 6-7 nm.
But here's the thing: my slightly older Cervelo P2 has a slightly wider seatpost with a steeper angle and the frame has more contact surface. The seat post has never (!) slipped. Even 2 nm is enough clamping force there. To come back to the topic: too bad. I actually wanted to recommend Giant to my brother. But the post seems to be terrible. I already recommended a bike with a round seat post to him anyway. They just work and you can also get aftermarket stuff.
Some say he is the T in TCR... to other's he's known as 'c x R', where c is the position vector and R is the Force vector.
Absolutely agree @PeakTorque. ! Great bike but seat clamps on both are just let’s say questionable…. I own TCR advanced pro 2021. Warranted my frame because it cracked inside , where the seat clap wedge goes in. My wedge had 7Nm sign on it…. New seat clamp wedge has a 4.5-5.5Nm. So they redesigned that clamp, made it longer and they lowered torque on it too. There was so many complaints from users about creaking seatpost so they redesigned that seat clamp. So guys if you own 2021 TCR , check your frames , I had no idea where that creaking is coming from until one day my seatpost slipped downed about 1 inch , that day frame cracked…. My frame was replaced for a 2022 TCR . but for some reason Giant Czech Republic /Slovakia are sent me new frame with that new redesigned seat clamp butwith old scratched seatpost which like @PeakTorque mentioned in this video pealed off, the numbers scale on it is barely readable. And also if that peeled off that seatpost is a bit smaller which will make the gap between seatpost and frame bit bigger than it should be= more creaking again ??? Still didn’t get my frame back so cannot tell how will that work. Otherwise great bike , but that is just bad from Giant….
Im surprised there are so many others in the comments with the same issues. Absolutely shit from Giant. I wasted 300 quid on seatposts and was always told it was my fault. Absolute gimps
@@PeakTorque I'm really surprised this is going on for years ... New Tcr has a different shape seatpost and seat stays. maybe new seatpost wedge too. 🤞 they managed to fix it.
@@stefanpp6124I believe it is fixed when a long term review comes from somebody who is not afraid of speaking their mind like PT, Hambini and durianrider.
Hi could you please buy a 1998 top spec Giant TCR and compare what servicing that bike would be like compared to what you currently have
What about the bottom bracket tolerance, I was building three TCRs a few months ago, all was pretty poor in terms of BB roundness and concentricallity.
Bb tols have all been bang on 40.96 on all three tcr and both my trinity
Prediction... Giant UK watched this video and sent the new bike. Same bumbled seat problems.
Are you running those arm aero fairings?
Arm warmers
PT that outa wack saddle would do my head right in. Even if my Gooch was not getting a good swell on because of it I wouldn't be able to get it out of my MYND 😮😂 Great review mate...👍👍👍👍
I like my inner thigh being tickled
What fenders are those?
I had another Giant bike with that wedge seat-post-clamp. Absolutely horrible. It was either (1) creaking or (2) slipping or (3) biting into the seatpost (carbon D-Fuse). So yeah... I wasn't happy when it got stolen, but I also wasn'T that sad. Otherwise a great bike, rode it to work two years, but that seat-post-clamp ruined it and the creaking drove me mad.
Took the seat post out of my tcr pro last night and even with the new clamp it still digs into the post 😢 Like you I need a 3rd seat post now!
Seems like we’re uncovering a serious problem. Keeping a tally of these comments as theyre quite a few already
Great review
What! How do you move the seat post up and down?
You don’t. You have to cut the frame to your size!!! Good luck reselling it 😂
That's the neat part... (c) you can do it only down with some help of a saw
Once it’s cut you can move the clamp up like 30mm
20mm or 40mm depending on the collar. It comes with two collars now
Measure once, cut thrice....
I daren't even check the saddles of the bikes I have with D shaped seat posts after your observation. That would simply drive me mad. I wasn't even OCD before I got into cycling 😅
Love the Nero repping.
I have the last rim brake version they made and my saddle is also pointing to the right
All hail the right pointing weeners
@@PeakTorqueNot everyone has a heavy enough dick in the left leg of the bib to twist the saddle straight 😂 And then the carbon world crack knowing it this hack company that does not seem to care about the life and safety of the customer. Criminal I say😢 Yuck.
Loving the Nero show suit 🎉
5nm for seatposts. Maybe somethings's changed...but even 5nm I feel like ive over tightened it. And it don't move at 5nm. 7 seems absurd
5 Nm is a very normal torque spec for seatpost clamps.
I have a giant Contend with adjustable but D Fuse seatpost. That ain't square either😢
My one and only experience with Giant wasn’t great, 2022 defy with awful brake rub due to unfaced mount, dealer hadn’t got a facing tool. Paint was bad on the bike too.
A friend has a 2021 TCR and has had zero issues (non isp) but the paint is shocking again and really lets the bike down in my opinion. Too many stone chips
Love my TCR advanced have last year's model and it's the best road bike I've had. Will never buy a bike with a daft seat post again after the emonda I previously had don't know why it's so hard for manufacturers to not make stupid designs that no one wants! My pal has just bought a New TCR advanced so be interesting to see the ride difference as that's just arrived in the shop. The only thing I'll slag giant off for though is I think the paint quality is rubbish compared to other brands and it's across all their bikes ranges MTB and road.
What are you looking at? We are both the same height - but I’m much older - and have been enjoying the gravel more than road these days.
I’m about to get an insurance payout for my 2021 SL after being cracked at the cafe. Where should I be looking?
Anything all road/ endurance. Some take 38C now.
Same for non-isp model the saddle is never straight
There is a little bit of wiggle room when you loosen the saddle rails. Of course its just a few degrees, but should get you closer
Nah there isn't. It always settles back the same when tightened it seems
@@PeakTorque ok weird. I do mean the saddle rail clamps not the clamp on the ISP? Had a similar issue with my seka aero seatpost, was an easy fix
You are handsome, strong on the bike, cool and smart AF. I honestly hate you 😂 but I have to follow you because you are one of the few honest reviewers out there ❤. Anyway... Did you ever ride the "real" Strade Bianche here near Siena, Tuscany, Italy?
Next year im on the for the Strade sportive! My favourite race. Thanks for the kind words
@@PeakTorque Those words were very well deserved 😉. Anyway despite working and living right there I never grow tired of those beautiful white roads and their enchanted landscape so I'm sure you will enjoy the ride and of course you will smash them!
Brilliant TCR discussion. Intelligent. Interesting.
The best way to make the seat post last is to only tighten hand tight with a short allen key, and do this ritualistically before each ride. The posts eventually collapse, which I am guessing just due to carbon shearing under creep, delamination, and UK crap roads. These posts are a tight fit so i don’t buy the filing the edges malarkey. This can concentrate the pressure more, and obvs this will void any further warranty. Use carbon paste.
My TCR seatpost has done the same. Giant have replaced for me more than once
Can you let me know who you dealt with and i will use as a precedent. My Adv pro claim both refused when talking to Giant shops.
TCR advanced pro has to be my favourite bike. Just so stiff, doesn't have the flaws of the SL and feels like a real climbing bike.
Is it time to get a Time ?
would love to hear what you think about riding a Time!
I have the giant Revolt gravel bike with the wedge seatpost clamp like in your video and it creeks every ride. nothing I have tried stopped the creeking. If I could solve that issue, It would be a great bike but it creeks so much that it distracts from the ride. I like the new TCR with the internal cables but the same seatpost design is a no go for me.
Careful with Vittoria tires... recall they advised their tires are not rated for riding over rocks due to risk of unexpected dis-mount from the wheel.
😂 hooked as fuck and a cheap heavy inner tube here no worries
@@PeakTorque I have no doubt you do it right. The warning was half for your viewers and half for sarcasm 😀👍
@@PeakTorquewhat! No Tpu no latex?
That seat would drive me insane.
Just to put £12k into context (and of course there's many more expensive)... Honda and Kawasaki's new 4 cylinder, 300kph, Japan manufactured, IOM TT ready, super sports motorcycles will be hitting the shops at £10.5k... Rip-off cycle industry aside, I had one of these ISP TCRs and loved it. No worries getting a ML (79cm SH) in a bike box Alan and I thought it was pretty comfy in b2b testing against a S-Works SL6. But the ISP is a faff. I still think Giant's steering geo is odd though (down to fork rake/trail).
Had a similar clamping issue on a 2021 tcr advanced with the sliding seatpost. Hate their proprietary seatposts in general, convinced me I should never get a giant again.
Agree. Great bike ruined by the ISP. Needless. Absurd tolerances. Flawed concept.
As a fellow mechanical engineer, when guys like us see this knowing it was designed by engineers, hard to believe.
Absolutely. When the flagship Giant fails to pass the test, there is zero hope for me.
Giant has had issues with the Revolt gravel bike seat post as well. That wedge and shim used when you use a 27.2 seat post is never been right for me. My 2022 model year had to have a warranty frame replacement due to cracks on the seat tube. Got the replacement and went straight away to 30.9 seat post and did away with the shim. Really disappointing. Top that with the replacement frame is a 'color matched' version meaning that it was not painted on the regular production line. Paint quality is absolute crap and within 4 months I have a done of paint chips. Yes I know it is a gravel bike but my former gravel bike, a Specialized Diverge, looked as good as new after 3 years of use. As I said, I love the ride of the Revolt but just let down by some of the details.
Yes I’m aware of the revolt seatpost cracks im on the fb group.
Is there anything for a similar price that doesn't have worse QC and poor/serious design issues??
If you don't get a TCR, what would you go for?
Nice Nero Jersey.. 🇦🇺
I have the 2016 TCR, doesn't have that seatpost design and is way better :) Still going strong with the 11spd mech Ultegra.
Time bikes are beautifully made, descend really well, but they are not lightweight, even with a high end build. I love my Scylon all the same.
They are mostly resin thats why :) (SARCASM WARNING. But there is more resin in those than in pre-preg frames)
Still love my $600 Trifox
Edited. Wasn’t at the end of the video yet. The Pro is the sweet spot of the range.
Crooked saddle that can’t be straightened I’d probably be done 30 seconds into a test ride. Totally insane on a bike that fancy.
The seat post not lining up would bug me to no end. Ugggh. Nowadays the Propel is a much better choice anyway.
Why? Way less tyre clearance and a much shorter seat post on the propel.
The biggest factory to customer manufacturer! Canyon (whatever model you think fits you).
❤
That seat misalignment is deal breaker for me, at any price point.
The trek emonda does the integrated seat post really well with comfort but none of the problems you mentioned
I recently build up a bike using the latest Emonda SL pro frame and it's got the semi integrated stem, a prop seat post but round and the t47 wide BB. Mine's a 58 but 57.4 effective.
Having Focus Cayo and TIME ALDH 2023 bikes, I've never came across such basic problems with design and issues.