Is it Time to Buy a New Bike?
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2024
- After riding the brand new 10th generation Giant TCR Advanced recently I jumped back on my 9th generation TCR to ponder whether the improvements are worth upgrading my 2 year old bike for?
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People with the money should definitely buy a new bike, (and put their existing bikes on the market:)
Sorry, but the only reason to update from this bike would be the internal routing of the cables. And that's a lame reason.
A two-years old bike being replaced? Ever - never, I'd skip at least a generation.
It's true, if you want to maximize the value of selling it, the sooner you sell it the better. But I'm skeptic that you'd get a significant amount of extra-money if you sell it today or in two years from now on, to buy the next generation.
I still ride my rim break S-Works SL6 which I got for a great price. The SL8 is the same bike with internal cables and disc breaks that I don‘t want. Why would i throw money out the window?
I have just sold the 2019 version which I loved…. but the cable routing was a mess if you aren’t running di2. I don’t know why it took until now before they finally integrated the cables!
@scherzo0o Yeah, it is a silly reason if that's the only reason. The ninth-generation is the best one for me, I even almost bought the rim brake version back in late 2020.
my bike is 10yrs old - only reason i would change is for disc brakes. Improving my fitness will make biggest change for me :-)
Same the popularity of disc brakes makes me feel like i’ll miss out on newer carbon wheels
Same. Mine is 12 years old this year. If I were a more serious rider obsessed with speed, then the advances in aero and tyre width etc. might be a reason, but my bike is practical, comfy, strong and fast enough
Amen!
I only switched framesets in May 2022 (my first time ever and my first major upgrade). During that time, my previous frameset was 13 or 14 years old. The reason I switched was for increased tire clearance on wider wheels, the previous frameset can't run anything wider than 25 mm tires on wheels with a 15 mm internal rim width. I once tried fitting the same tire onto a wider wheel and tire clearance is less than 4 mm.
If you have the desire to get a disc brake bike, I'd say go for it!
Just build your own custom bike is what I’d suggest, that way you can have everything you want and no worries of being underwhelmed
Just purchased a 2023 tcr advanced pro disc frameset for $1600, bars and stem for $400 and already had dura ace 9170 groupset, 9270 calipers, and elite drive 50D's on my previous emonda sl6. Sold my emonda frameset for $1100 and all my tubeless things so the switch only cost me roughly $750. Riding the best bike I've ever had now. Love my 2023 TCR. The exposed cables in the front were great to dial in fit as a home mech. The bike is aero enough, comfy, light and fast. The cables also give off a sense of nostalgia without looking too dated. I adore this bike. The new one... Not so much.
I'm a bit lost on the message of this video.. You could have gone into the what the resell value of this current bike is. The outlay of an upgrade is a major consideration for us mortals. As for your question, off course you should upgrade. You are a professional so if anyone, you should & I'm sure you'll get a healthy discount.
I have 2021 pro one, mechanical and rim brake. It really is a good ride. Updated this winter with titanium CAdex skewers and an CAdex amp saddle and it’s pretty much 7kg. Other than bar tape (super caz) and conti gp 5000s that’s it. I don’t think I’d gain much by upgrading to a new one but happy to hear your view David 😊
I get it if it’s a whole new redesign but if it’s just integrated cables and some weight savings it’s not worth it. You’re basically getting a “2.0” version…
Would love to see you trying out the entry level non-pro TCR. So just the TCR Advanced with a wheel change, and compare how good it really is to the Pro or the SL version. 😊
My bike is a 10 year old aluminum frame carbon fork rim brake 10 speed Tiagra setup. I started looking for a new bike this year, all carbon, more aero and electronic groupset. The cost is now absolutely absurd.... I just upgraded my entire drive train, wheels, tires and brakes for a quarter of the cost of a new bike. Now my 10 year old bike is a full pound lighter than the 5k dollar carbon bike I was looking at. Sure it isn't aero and lacks electronic shifting and disc brakes, but what does that really gain me as a non racer. It might have cut some time off my 40k time, but if I improve my FTP and loose a few pounds I will be just fine. I'm going to wait for the bike market to crash which is imminent. The same thing happened in the guitar market. Prices soared and then people stopped buying and inventory started sitting, now prices are discounted. I will revisit next year, but for now I'm completely happy with my upgrades and could very well be for the next few years.
Sigh, first world problems.. should I upgrade my two years old bike? I'm reviving my 30 years old steel road bike, all 11kgs of it. Just waiting for the 2x7 tourney brifters to upgrade it from down tube shifters, can't wait to ride it again.
If you had the exact same set up w/wheels & group on both models, I have a lot of doubt you'd be feeling much of any difference in speed, ride quality etc.
Personally, I prefer to hold on to my bikes and pimp them up. Consequently, the frame being the central component is all important to me, as you can scale up on the groupset, the wheels, tyres, saddle, bottom bracket stem and handle bars.
For instance with the older model TCR the option to internally route the brake cables can be undertaken by acquiring a new fork at around $400 AUD
I think it's a pity that the big brands don't retail their higher-end frames with lower spec componentry, which would better open the way for those of us who don' t have the big bucks to go all out in one hit on a top end bike buy, but could do so on a stepped out scale up as finances allow.
Great Vid
Very interested in your thoughts on 1x on your roadbike. Planning the same for my next setup aswell.
The TCR is the race bike for everybody. Price is good, for a race bike with proper race geometry but is not to chunky on the scales. Somewhere in the middle between the Sl7 and the Aethos but much cheaper. The new version of the TCR did not spark any FOMO. My previous Advance Pro Disc 1 is still fine for me.
Back when it was still stock, have you ever managed to induce front rotor rub whenever you ride out of the saddle hard enough?
Get new wheels and you'll have a new bike! I have the same TCR with Zipp 303 Firecrest wheels and Pro One tires running tubeless. Changed everything. I couldn't expect more from wheels and a frame.
What wheels did you upgrade from? Giant SLR1s? I've considered upgrading these.
@@pj9375 Zipp 303 Firecrest.
@david Arthur. Think reality is that best swap for most people would be for a new defy frameset but frame only not available at moment in uk. Any news on that
I love the one by? I'm building a new Emonda up with a 48T by 10/36. I hope I don't have to go back to a front DR and a new crankset..
Keep it. It’s a sweet ride and it’s obvious you still love to ride it. Then again, I’m still on my 2015 alloy Defy which I just can’t seem to part with.
I have the 9th generation TCR ADVANCED DISC 1+ GSE and it works really well. I did some change to have a personalized version ... To be honest the large diagonal tube is amazing and gives me a good feeling of rigidity and a great aesthetic comparing to the new one. I don't see a big difference between the 9th and the 10th generation.
Would you consider doing a video as to what you carry in your saddle bag? I switched to tubeless this year and I'm not sure what I need to bring with me. Thanks.
I've just upgraded after 6 years moving to better aero, wide tyres, disk brakes and wireless shifting. Definite improvement in feel. But if you're not making a group of significant changes there's probably no point. Is a '7% better something' really going to make a difference?
I’m interested in the review of gearing set up
Looking forward to your comparison of your TCR and the new version. The new definitely has some plusses, but stiffer on less than Taiwanese pavement might be a minus. Remember the early CADD frames when Cannondale tried to make them as stiff as possible?
Great acceleration but a punishing ride. My CADD 2 is on my trainer. Permanently.
If you still like your old and there’s nothing wrong with it, why waste all that money. Well that’s what my wife says 😂😂. I have a Giant Defy Advanced 2, 2019 and I still really like it. It does what I need it for, going out and doing nice short and long runs. I’ve learnt to do a lot of my own maintenance on it. I believe if I got a new bike I don’t think my body would let me do any better on a new bike.
Yes, it’s time. Just like you, I have a TCR SL Advance and SW Crux.
I sold my TCL SL Advance and bought the SW SL8.
As someone who has recently upgraded a bike, my question was is the perceived improvement worth the price of the new bike less the selling price of the old bike. In my case, I worked this out to be around £1K which was worth it.
What I didn’t consider is the state of the second hand market. It is very much a buyers market which means I haven’t been able to sell my older bike as of yet.
In the case of the TCR, I can’t see there being much of a difference between like for like models, so unless you get a “special” influencer rate, I would keep the older version.
Bikes lose most of their value as soon as you buy them. It’s always been that way and always will. See them as a disposable item.
I generally upgrade parts enough that I only want to move to a new bike when there's a major change such as a model redesign or truly new tech I'm very interested in but isn't something I can upgrade on my current setup.
I have the exact same bike and she lives in the dining room. Really light, responsive and comfortable to ride. I will probably never replace her in truth as she's dam near perfect and the colour is exactly what I wanted. Keep up the good work
Maybe it is, but for a regular bike user, what's the point of selling a bike every one or two years?
For selling? Because someone is always buying a bike. There's always someone upgrading a 10 year old bike, or moving up from an entry level to a high end bike.
Your typical rider absolutely does NOT need to be upgrading their bike often though. If they aren't competing, they probably should keep a bike about as long as a car, just doing maintenance and replacing components as they wear, only replacing a bike when the industry moves on enough that the components they need are hard/expensive to find.
The disc brakes are lighter now. Two years ago they were heavier and we were told it didn’t matter. Now it’s worth spending 12k to get slightly lighter. Welcome to the bike industry.
Need your opinion please 🙏🏾 giant tcr advance sl or cannodale lab 71?
Steel fulfills my needs; have three for all seasons, it might stop raining so me racer might come out to thrill once more.
Yes, good for the upgrade 👍🏼💪🏼🚴🏼
After two alu Defy bikes and one TCR Adv, one before they split out Pro line, I still miss the steel frame Giant entry level road bike I used to get for 80 pounds in my teen years.
When my bike comes ready for changing I’m not going to bother, I’m going to get a new custom paint job instead. We only change bikes out of boredom really.
David love the content. Can you possibly do a head to head with Cannondale
SuperSix Evo Carbon 3 Road Bike and New TCR with same model equivalent etc. 3-4k. 105 group etc.
Can’t fault mine bar the narrow wheels that’s literally it. The new one may look more Modern and be a touch faster but for me isn’t worth spending the money to replace what I have
I'm thinking that the new lighter, snappier, nimbler, new bike feel won't actually translate to extra speed on paper. It would be nice if you could do a comparison on the same bit of tarmac in the same weather
Im not sure about thr wheels thing ive got heavy wheels and upgraded to lighter hunt and i could mot really tell difference
I just need a race bike. My Endurace is great and set up to haul ass, but I need a tarmac or a tcr or a ultimate or something. I love the aeroad but I'm a climber. So kinda over working at that point. I like this. The tcr has great lineage and geo.
Thx, David! Small improvements= improvements=development. We pay for it, though😊
I’ve thought of the same thing: the tires & the wheelsets might have been the biggest contributors
@David Arthur... All things considered you would get more aero gains buying a pair of Silica aero socks than buying the new Giant TCR.
I've got a 2018 TCR, the bike itself is excellent however is suffering from worn components which are hard to source, and I'd like to upgrade to Di2 and run tyres wider than 25mm, so a new bike is on the horizon. It's hard to justify buying a bike more frequently I feel.
Just upgraded from my 14’ trek domane 6.9 disc (first disc bike) dura ace to a 24’ Giant Defy advance pro 0 Ultegra
Did I need to ? No… but is the group set/frame/wheels etc noticeable upgrades for sure ! It by leaps and bounds since it was a high spec bike but tech wise and comfort I really feel it :)
Rationally, it would not make sense buying a new bike and selling the 2 year old bike for such marginal gains. But unless you are a very high level athlete buying bikes at that price point doesn't really make any rational sense anyway.
Would love to see the comparisons between your current TCR but convert it to internal routed to the 10th gen bike. See if there is a difference.
Good thing for those who fall head over heels for integrated internal routing, EXS made a fork with a D-shaped steerer tube that makes the conversion possible without sacrificing safety, but I think it's only limited to electronic groupsets.
David what saddle bag you using this video? Do you ride tubeless? If so what do you keep in the saddle bag that's so small?
Silca
Zipp 303s are tubeless only
PBJ.
Bike market is dead , i the past i was able to sell anything in no more than two days , now is absolutely zero interest even if price is dropped 50% of original value.
Some new bikes are on sale for 50% discount so this makes sense
@@user-fs6gh6jn2h even bikes for 1k
Never buy over 2.5 k just ain't worth it
The bicycle industry is in a big mess .
Or people can't even afford groceries now
Wheels are so important!
I’d get the Cadex wheels and a lighter group set and call it a day.
I am getting the new TCR and think there are several aspects of my situation that may be typical of people eyeing the new TCR:
1. I am upgrading from an older, very different bike (2013 Defy) and am looking for something "different" rather than strictly "better" than my current bike
2. I live for climbing, and my top priority in a new bike is what feels most lively going up a hill
3. I don't race and don't particularly care about getting every last watt of aero on the flats
4. I love the looks of a modern spin on classic elegance (internal cables on the TCR frame is a big aesthetic plus in my books)
I don't think the new model is a big difference from the old one, but as someone who's looking to get a new bike for the next decade anyway, I'd definitely rather have the new changes than not.
can someone recommend a bike for me im thinking about sirrus x 2.0 idk if its good or not
Yeah, why not. Would be a good video series. Would prefer to see you on a Felt
Looking forward for you to swap all the parts from your current tcr to the new tcr advanced pro 0 and see what are differences. I am assuming it it will be just a marginal gain.
As a reviewer when do you get time to ride your own bike?
I have the same TCR and no I will not by buying the new one.
Time to change brands to the Specialized SL8 which you spoke so highly of.
if its just to get the new tcr wouldn't be worth selling the last gen one IMO
I would imagine it would cost £2000 to upgrade the frame + new integrated bars/stem and labour to fit so like you said buy the Cadex wheels instead
I don't really see any performance upgrade, and only an aesthetic "upgrade" from hidden hoses....
You've mentioned that a major reason that the new bike performed so well is due to the wheels. So, keep the current bike and invest in a fancy wheel set. Justification for buying a set from Princeton Carbonworks...
My bike is 8 years old, works great!
Why would a frame cost more if it’s lighter?
I got rid of an Allez sprint for a 2004 Pinarello Prince SL, it is brutally fast
I just just seem to be buying new bikes and keeping old ones .... or buying 2nd hand upgrade bikes ....
Ive ended up with 4 bikes .... 1.summer dry full carbon/carbon wheels/
2. Aluminum/ carbon fork winter bike/wet weather bike
3. Work commute/ bike packing /panier
4. Gravel bike / winter wet weather large tyres...
I just need a mountain bike now
I'm having a similar dilemma. I have a Fairlight Strael which I don't really like but it's still a bit. I test rode a Super Six Evo and the handling is so much more stable. I'm so tempted but it's a significant amount of money.
I think you had a holiday romance with the new Giant in Taiwan. No need to change or upgrade to the newer bike. Only minor better differences for the latest bike against your current bike are not worth spending large sums on a new bike. If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it.
Save your money David. How about investing your precious money in the new Cempa fork for your Secan, the updated version with pack mounts on the fork, excellent for your gravel adventures this summer...
I'd use the frame for 5 years and probably get a new wheel every year. Gain from the frame is really marginal particularly for non-pros.
Good thing comes to those who wait!
I have a 2017 caad 12 and just wish I could fit 32mm tires.. otherwise it’s such a fun ride that I don’t understand how people justify constantly getting a new bike
Very nice bike now
Great video
Someone on their 2005 road bike will still drop someone on their 2024 bike. Work on your fitness instead
got an old BMC Impec of 10 years old…truth be told, i havent met a bike that caught my attention as much as my current rim brake bike…so, I could probably gain a lot with a new bike, but I still think my Impec is the best looking bike…..
I would upgrade to the latest version of the propel in a heartbeat
In six months , you will be wanting the next big release from a different maker .
I had the naked carbon sl 2022 model which was very stiff to uncomfortable stiff and had a lot of quality issues and was recalled by giant. Now if the new is even stiffer will make it dangerous and not my cup of tea.
If I'm in the market for a new bike, I'd go for the Defy. The difference of Defy and TCR in terms of weight is so minimal and also I'd prefer the wider tire clearance.
Upgrading is always nice if the money is not an issue. Simple as that.
Thought you where considering the new defy, a few vids ago........for the old blokes who don't want to be bent up?!!!
Yes. It is time. Thank you for this!!!
Are the changes enough, only I'm ya head no way can it be that different, stick 30 tyres on that will be more of an difference
yes
I'm weary of the integrated seat post on the new frames
Only the SL uses it, the Pro and base TCR Advanced still use a regular seatpost interface.
My roadbike has been good for me since 1996 and will continue to be good for me until I am no longer in possession of it or I can't ride anymore.
Get an Merida endurance rival they are brilliant 2.4k
Most cyclists would love your current TCR. Seems to me that Bicycle tech is reaching a pinnacle of design. Improvements are only really noticed by Pros at the high end. Not everyone wants a super stiff frame and when manufacturers says the bike saves 10 watts at 30 mph this means nothing to real world cyclists.
I have literally the same bike. I hear you on that dumb fork grommet. There has got to be a better way to do it.
Some of my ex-colleagues didn't install this grommet when they unbox one to build. They probably forgot or didn't realise there's supposed to be one.
But yes, I'd prefer it if the tolerances were a little tighter. The way the front brake hose was pushing it didn't allow the grommet's flange to sit completely flush on the fork frown.
Haha , UK roads are disgusting at moment one reason why I've gone to 32cc tyres I can't any difference In terms of speed but much more comfortable
New bike fever is so easy to catch! But I really see nothing wrong with your current 2 year old bike. Any differences between it and a new bike have to be very small. It would be an expensive marginal cost to purchase a new bike for it. For me, it might be worth an upgrade when obvious meaningful generational changes have occurred, say maybe at least 5 to 6 years (or longer in some cases). And even then, certain components, such as wheels, can be upgraded to extend the useful life of an old bike. However, this likely wouldn't apply to competitive professional racers.
It's always time to buy a new bike.
It’s a first world problem but the idea is that you upgrade so I don’t have to 😂. Nice to read about new tech etc but in the real world you stick with what you have ❤.
BTW can I have your old bike please 🙏.
Really enjoyable vlog thanks.
I personally wouldn't bother i have a 2023 TCR pro with a few SRAM red upgrades and the giant aero cockpit.
Internal cable routing doesn't bother me and a 2 watt saving in miniscule for the cost to change.
It depends on your ability to max out the residual value of the existing bike, negotiate a good deal on the new bike, and generate additional income from new content on the new bike. If you can do all three, then why not? 🙂
I'd say sell it, but for a Fairlight Strael.
just got a better set of wheels. Frames are not much improvement from the last 4-5 years. i got my 1 by setup 46 * 10-46. it is amazing and simple cover speed up to 50kph which is more than quick enough
Its always time to buy a new bike - any particular reason you're sticking with Giant? Ive recently sold my 2020 Propel advanced 0, replaced with a 2021 S-Works Tarmac SL7 i bought for an unavoidable bargain - i will not shutup about how good this bike is, and how much better it is than the one i traded ....
Your bike has personality, the new bikes all look the same
Why are we viewing road bikes like semi disposable tech that is obsolete by design after 12-18 months? A modern performance road bike is good for years and years without considering the need to upgrade. I have a 5 year old Focus Izelco, I do not need to buy anything else... not for a long time