Jennifer Crumbley testifies in her involuntary manslaughter trial
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- čas přidán 31. 01. 2024
- After the prosecution rested their case, Jennifer Crumbley takes the stand in her own defense during her involuntary manslaughter trial in the Oxford School Shooting case.
Is it fair to say the defense lawyer is annoying asf?… Correct! 😂
Objection! 😂
Annoying on purpose.
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Yes😂😂😂..way over her HEAD!!
ALL the lawyers were annoying af......and jail aged Jennifer 25 years in two.
Public defender.
The judge keeps letting them argue and talk over one another. She has no control of the courtroom. She's very indecisive.
and will finish her sentences and help her instead of making her do it when prosecutors object!
I agree, at times she appears bewildered by it all.
she's allowing an appeal to easily happen. bless her heart. she knows they are doing this woman wrong.
She is rude in prior hearings to the judge and Prosecutor as well! This defense attorney is a trip!
When asked if she would do anything differently she said NO? Her relationship with her attorney is weird but then her attorney is not very professional and lacks decorum. The constant ems and I'm sorry is ridiculous for someone who has been in practice for years.
Well...she's no Alena Hobba!😂😂😂😂😂😅😊
Watch other trials, she rocks as a defense attorney.
You are going up against the state, which has endless funds and capabilities.
With that said, her client completely lost me when she wouldn’t do anything differently and she is “not trying to compare herself to the loss of what others have faced”, A loss because of HER son, because as she stated, and ended her direct, she herself has lost everything. Seriously?
That right there, lost me and exposed her as a narcissistic “mother” who cares only about
herself and her side piece and horses.
@@carbonoffset2151Lol highly doubt she’s ever “rocked” as an attorney.
@@carbonoffset2151 Sure Shannon...
Yeah I agree, I'm not sure anymore about her attorney and if she's doing her any favors by sticking with her representation...
I had much more confidence in her when she was working together with the other one who is now James' attorney,.., She seemed almost like a different person before they went their separate ways or maybe just before this trial began... She seemed more confident and organized, more intelligent, professional and way less confused.
I don't blame he necessarily and no one should because I'm sure what she's doing has to be far more difficult than it looks.
Though she might not be doing herself she favors choosing to stick with the lawyer she has, I also can't blame her because even if she might know that in the back of her mind wonder if she is paying it works out by trusting the process..I also think it might be a comfortability thing because she unexpectedly got arrested and has been locked up for years now and the only sense of releif, the outside world and interaction is probably this woman and whenever she calls and visits so she is probably feeling closer to her than anyone in this world and looks forward to anytime she comes around and wouldn't want to lose her mind by requesting another attorney i imagine if could and would affect everything OUTSIDE the courtroom and she would feel even more scared and alone, who knows how a different lawyer would act and what kinda proof they are, i wouldn't want to fish that either, she literally has nothing else because she's taken from everything she's had and that includes even contact with her in husband through any means of communication. Sad..
Wow she's quick to throw her husband under the bus. One of her hobbies with her son was shooting, but she was uncomfortable storing the guns, so her husband was 100% in charge of it.. 🙄
I knew that was going to be her angle from day 1
She took him one time that hardly classifies it as a hobby🙄
she posted the gun online right after they got it. she bought the bullets.
she's the man of the house but they are all culpable and should be jailed.
Defense attorney is the WORST! I mean absolute worst attorney I have ever seen
And the judge pandering to her makes it worse!
For real.
"I'm gonna get drunk and go ride my horse." Okay. So, she drove to the stables DRUNK, rode her horse, and drove home DRUNK? What a standp-up citizen. 🤷🏽♂
She probably got drunk and rode the horses to avoid her disfuntional family. LOL
When I was a 14, I was suffering deeply with anorexia. I had been through a lot of trauma, my mom had died and I was going through it. I was getting no better so my step dad had me sectioned to an inpatient hospital. They said I was a danger to myself and if they didn’t admit me, I would die.
This is what someone does when they care about their sick child. They make difficult decisions.
Did she make her son pull the trigger? No, but there were so many missed opportunities to get him help.
I cannot imagine the pain the victims families are feeling, my heart is broken for them.
Lucky you! My son was stopped from committing suicide when he was 16. I called EVERY mental health hospital and service in my state. No one would take him for treatment and keep telling me he had to sign himself in for treatment and they would not even discuss counseling with me. By that experience I can say the medical care in our country f'n sucks. All of it!!!
A great reminder that parents need to slow down and start paying attention & spending quality family time each & everyday. I think a lot of parents are to consumed in their owns lives. But, what parents should be doing is being available to their children involved in their lives. Love your children they are the best example to you. God Bless
Her attorney is a train wreck. So unprofessional.
Wow, she aged by 20 years.
Anyone would under the circumstances.
Yeah, I look at old pictures and she looks like a straight-up different person.
For sure. I'm in indecisive whether she deserves jail forever.
Jail food must be abundant and good.
@@sharonrynne2242I think they should’ve received charges of felony child neglect & receive close to the max on that instead. They’re really getting severely punished as we speak, the two wont ever escape it even when they receive their freedom one day, their child is lost sentenced to life, community anger will always be strongly against them… a very long sentence wouldn’t serve anyone. I’m along the lines of 5 yrs for each including time served. Their potential sentence ranges very wide however & know one seems to know what it’ll be if found guilty
I have watcxhed hundreds of trials and i have never heard a lawyer narrate such confused, inane gobbledygook before.
Defense attorney whines about not knowing who the prosecution will call next. Proceeds to not know who she's calling next.
I've been watching this trial since day 1... and her attorney is TERRIBLE.
prosecutors have thier own witnesses, CSI and experts...evidence always surprise for them that defense attorney claim thier clients innocent what DAs job are. Also DA get thier own witnesses and less experience experts too
Pretty sure she is giving the prosecution a taste of their own medicine.
The state has no legal obligation to advise the defense who they are calling and in what order. She doesn’t strike me as the brightest attorney in the area. She can just easily turn 0:58 off the Jury as her client is.
@@HoldenDoesBikeStuff One of the comments I agree with 100%. I was beginning to think I was the only person who saw right through this.
He’s a teenager he should be cleaning his own room omg
There’s no way she wasn’t having problems w discipline at home! There’s no way she was as involved in his life as she claimed. I’ve been around kids like this that have mental health problems and trust me, it doesn’t just pop up at school!
Exactly! She has blamed the teachers as if they are the parents and they are not only to teach but they should also raise her kid. She made an excuse for telling her kid to “not get caught “ about looking for ammo while he is failing school? Hey Jennifer!?? GTFOH
If you have one son.. there's nothing to compare him to..he is who he is..at least the trained teachers at school should have raised flags
At this point I honestly think defence counsel is trying to look as dumb and disorganized as possible on purpose.
Not trying she is dumb
Mistrial?
😂😂😂😂
I miss trial is never a win for the defense. The bottom line is when you’re a defendant do you want to know when you’re going home with your guilty or innocent that’s the one thing you wanna know and put it off for another trial is devastating.
100% agree and perhaps trying to set JC up to call for mistrial based on ineffective counsel
“Is it fair to say… Did you have additional conversations with James about horses and or Ethan?” Wow. That attorney’s puttin’ on a master class right there, son. 😂
I cant believe how the defense is aloud to get away wt all this first grade shit
Leaning tower of Piza, the judge caught that bad tactic before she intentionally knocked it over…😂
The word is "allowed", third-grader.
@@zmancan5290Well that was uncalled for.
@@maridepp53Called for. People can’t even spell anymore. So depressing.
@@annieb5647 regardless it’s rude to point it out.
My parents were close to perfect and even we didn't have the idealic life she described her family had
His bedroom was so messy, he got a second bedroom. His teeth were rotting. Just your basic lack of parenting.
Yes when they said he got a second bedroom for that reason I thought “Really? Clean your room!”
And how do you know the condition of his teeth?
@@maridepp53His mother testified on the stand that he did not brush his teeth well. When he was wearing braces (and refused to use the water pik to clean around the braces, he developed multiple cavities. The dentist had to remove his braces and fill 13 cavities before reapplying braces.
Dental disease can also cause lead to a number of other health issues as well as affect the brain. Shame on the parents
@@JoTurner-fg8bx Oh wow, that’s gross. Thank you for replying.
@@maridepp53 they refer to it in the testimony about how his teeth were in bad shape and he wouldn’t brush his teeth.
The defense attorney and Jenifer have rehearsed her testimony for a long time. You can tell because of how fast Jenifer answers the questions. Anybody can rehearse and win an academy award after practicing over and over again. Defense attorney is like a toddler who is learning how to potty train.
They just went through this exact trial 6 months ago with both parents. Same witnesses. I’m watching now
You have a personal information you have fax you were there can you give me this personal evidence to what you’re saying is to be true?
They ALL do that. Don't fool yourself. 😊
I still cannot unsee the police interview when she & her husband went to see their son. No questions until she sees the camera and screams at son WHY, WHY, WHY? She comes off as very self-absorbed.
Not one single time, did she say she sat down with him to talk about his feelings, or go for a walk to talk
. Not one time did she say she spent hours at night trying to help him with his homework or that she hired a tutor for him. Not once did she say she kept in constant comunication with his teachers to make sure he was on track. Instead she said during her interview that she told him not to "worry about it", next year is a new year".
All she cared about was him going to work, when he should have been doing homework.
She did say he probably had too much to drink and had a hangover....He's 15 years old. There is no way in he.. I would go riding in the evenings, if my son was struggling at school. If I couldn't afford tutoring I would sell my horse.
Instead she's getting drunk and going for a trail ride.... That's genius in itself.
This woman really seems to have some kind of personality disorder. Completely inappropriate emotions and keeps glaring at the gallery. I cried through my son’s discipline meeting for fighting in school, much less a school shooting!🤔🙄
Am sure there are “Tons” of parents in this world with varying degrees of what is considered proper parenthood. Don’t forget that parents are only human and have many of their own issues to deal with. Some are drug addicts, in fact, many are drug addicts, alcoholic, abusive etc and really, parents should have a special license to have children. Instead the government condones the proliferation of gun ownership with the expectation that guns won’t get into the hands of people with mental illness. JC and her husband should get a Not Guilty plea.
maybe he just couldn't handle his school and homework his mind was disrdered and all the school did was pressure his mum..in turn she pressured him.. it's wrong
She was too busy getting her turkey stuffed.
I agree with you Ethan was an afterthought for them as they clearly did not care. Ethan was failed by so many, but especially his so called Parents.
WHY WOULD SHE KEEP IGNORING HIS REQUEST TO GET HELP?!?!?!?!?!
Is there any proof that he actually asked her? I mean I haven't watched all the trial but she says he never asked and all we have are his texts to his friend. The school didn't even tell her about any psychological issues until the drawing right? And then they said they didn't think he was a threat and let him stay at school. Kids can hide a lot and be very sneaky when they want to. I pray nothing like this happens to anyone.
@@rainyday13 NO there is not. The thread was from Ethan to ¨ḧis friend". None of the texts as you can see in the exhibit even have any kind of response from his friend either. So this is just incomplete information with no context.
@debbiemanzonie1323 Pay attention to the exhibit. The thread is from Ethan to ¨his friend" As you can clearly see, even his friend never responded to the texts did he? There is ZERO evidence his mom ever saw these texts.
Jennifer: "I take control of things; that's just what I do."
I see. Is that why you dismissed your son's cries and pleas for help???
She advised her son, "don't get caught".
@@Emy53Don’t forget she said added an “LOL” when she said not to get caught
@@Emy53 Yep!!
She still don't think its that serious tbh
@@annebosworth7048 exactly!!!
Seems like these type of killers always seem to happen during puberty. A time parents really need to be super vigilant
Yep. Puberty without a gun is merely difficult. Puberty + guns= far more likely to result in gun violence. Who would have guessed.. ???? 😮💨
And a time when parents are usually pretty exhausted by then and grateful at the same time that they think they don’t have to watch their kid every second he’s a grown-up at this point that’s what you think how many kids have you had how many boys have you raised
That’s the age their hormones are driving them and they don’t use their brain.
Any parent who has common sense don’t go out and buy their son a gun for Christmas…. Especially one who has mental health issues going on like Ethan had .. they are supposed to be there to give him a direction in life and guidance.. but no instead they go out and buy him a gun … completely irresponsible parenting ….
True but if someone is gonna do this crap it's been brewing for a while mentally.
Why did she not have him clean up his own room??
Because she was too busy getting hosed by the firefighter!! And those horses are not gonna ride themselves.
I'll say it again parents these days don't want to be bothered. They don't teach their kids any morals, values or life skills. They don't set examples and don't teach them consequences for their actions. That's why most of this generation of kids are entitled, confused, socially awkward brats
she didn’t clean her house why have child clean his?
She has aged dramatically since her arrest.
I would too. 4 children’s lives were lost. I feel bad for her as this is scary all of it. But I also cannot fathom why the hell you’d have any weapons near a child that is FANTASIZING ABOUT HOMOCIDE AND SUICIDE ETC.
Oh wait they wanted him to kill HIMSELF not other kids!!!
It just dawned on me that’s why. Exactly why.
@@AlaskaMobileNotaryServices
Your own child ………
Hell, look what she has been thru
We are watching her karmic tsunami in real time.
@@shindlesSHE has lost everything? 🤯 Children are dead because of her. She’s a self-centred, entitled sociopath….EXACTLY like the monster she raised. She should be locked away for the rest of her worthless life.
The defense attorney sounds frustrated and out of her league. I would definitely not be happy with her if I was accused of murder. And the defendant made her son use a public defender? Wow what a mom
She needed to know where her husband was at all times because she was having an affair and did not want to get caught. She can miss me with all of that "I worried about my husband" bs.
She also had a guilty conscience-liars always think everyone else is lying etc She’s really despicable
I don’t know if it’s true but I’ve heard her husband was also unfaithful.
@@gloomgirl I wholeheartedly agree!
@maridepp53 I've heard that as well, but I also heard that they both knew about each other's infidelity and that they were working on their marriage. If that is true, it seems she was not working on it the way her husband was probably lead to believe, lol.
She was controlling her husband to hide her own affair. LOL
I mean-are the judge and defense attorney drinking buddies? Or just bff's?
Actually it seems to me that the judge is somewhat intimidated by the defense atty’s antics and loud voice (she asked her to lower her voice this morning) and seems like she placates her. The da was all over the place the first two days of trial, seems like she somewhat pulled herself together by Monday. Still …..
😂😂😂lol
The defense attorney acts like a petulant and spoiled child.
In many clips other than this she acts indignant saying she "can't" do XYZ because she "has been busy in court.
DUH!! That's your job!!!
Plus her putting on lotion or wet wipes with jacket in front of the courtroom except the jurors. It was very odd
It’s just her candor & I’m sure there are people who feel the same about you, or others you know.
I couldn’t believe she made that comment to a judge, in front of a courtroom full of people. This is exactly what being a criminal defense attorney is. She is as dumb witted as she is annoying.
@@GrizzlyUrsusArctosWhat ??
@@dudemorris7769
Her "candor"?? Wrong word .
Go look at other clips "dude"...she whines and complains about not being prepared because the discovery "stack" is so big. She tosses her head back and loudly sighs whilst grabbing her hair out of exasperation. At one point she is complaining (again) and exclaims "I am going to kill myself" because she is frustrated!! What the hell? In front of parents whose children have been murdered by a "frustrated" punk?
So no...people in my life DO NOT say the same things about me because I do not act like a child whether personally or professionally. Moreover, I would never present myself as weak, overwhelmed/overworked, and incompetent as a maniputation strategy.
Very sad all the way around. I’m so sorry to the families who lost their children. I’m sorry Ethan’s parents didn’t see the signs of mental illness before it was too late.
The kid begged for help. She knows more then she is saying. She bragged about going to the range with him. She isnt showing her maga posts. She is not a good person. Now shes throwing her husband under the bus.
You people she talk like you know her personally or her family she sounds like every mother I’ve ever met doing the best she can with what she’s got doesn’t always work out
It’s easy to judge. I’ve done it with this case. Though the more I watch this, the more I can see myself when I was raising my kids. Having no man to depend on financially even though there was one in the house, feeling like you always have to be the one to take charge and get things done, picking your battles especially with your kids, etc etc etc. The difference is when my youngest was having some emotional/mental health issues, he went to a counselor and I removed my firearm and any knives that were in the house. I don’t know….this whole thing is devastating.
@@ghents565 maga? What does maga got to do with this. Nothing
Goes to character or lack of.
IMO This judge is catering to the defense. There's no decorum or protocol! We haven't heard the usual "overruled" or "sustained" and she's having regular conversations even with witnesses like it's role play for law school.
Exactly
Many judges and attys believe the State has overcharged this woman and her husband. This may also be a case where if the jury comes back with a guilty finding, she rules a timed served or overrules the guilty verdict. It wouldn’t be the first time in a high profile case such as this. There’s been entire podcasts on this topic and case. Even with the trial being streamed many channels have multiple attys, judges, prosecutors, public defenders, & the majority believe this is a dangerous precedent with the potential of parents all over the USA being charged for even minor infractions, including over reaching & over charging, & wasting tax payers money when the parents can only do so much. Same with the schools being charged & held accountable, when the reality is that no family or child is perfect, nor is any parent & picking and choosing who is and who isn’t responsible for the actions of another, will lead to many lawsuits the public will be paying.
It is so odd
@@dudemorris7769 At what point do we consider parents responsible for anything their children do? We are not talking about him stealing garden tomatoes from the neighbor. We are talking about under Michigan law it is illegal to purchase a minor a firearm/handgun. Where was the gun safety and responsibility of a firearm being under lock and key? How was he able to ascertain a firearm/handgun so easily? Even talking with your children or child every day, you find out who their friends are, how was their day? Is there anything going on? Many parents raise their children as if they are house plants and put them on auto pilot. It is our responsibility as parents to know what is going on in our children’s lives every day. My parents could tell if I had a hair across my ass. To casually say, the parents aren’t responsible for what their son did, considering he did murder four innocent students, is irresponsible, at minimum.
@@dudemorris7769 No one believes this except domestic terrorist supporters
She comes off cold and detached. I don’t think she knew how to nurture her son, and he felt it.
Good point.
She cold and detached, but she’s also had a BAD day, week, month, and year… 2 yrs! And it shows
You’re projecting yourself onto her I don’t find that she’s called at all and attached she sounds like every mother I’ve ever met sounds like you might be pretty cold in touch though
I agree with you 💯 % She did come off cold and she was definitely detached. Her and her husband took off and hid from authorities after her son did this horrific act. If that's not detached from reality I didn't know what is
That doesn't rise to the level of her helping him kill people, imo. Shitty mom? For sure but mine through me out at 17 when I finally told her the truth about her pervert husband!! As devastating as my mom hurt me, my aunt took me into her family and showed me how it feels to be loved and valued. If only Ethan had the chance I had, he'd be a different person and not a killer...
It's in Ethan's own words that he hears voices and asked Jennifer to go to the doctor and even contemplates calling an Ambulance. I hope none of the Jury actually believe Jennifer's BS
You mean when she repeatedly said he was “messing around” ?
And cutting the breaker on a kid playing a ouija (?) board who sees ghost is pretty mean.
@@maridepp53 That, and also Jennifer said he is lying in those txt's to his friend saying he asked her to take him to the doctor to get help cause he was hearing voices and seeing things, and she laughed it off when he asked
Ethan is not a victim and when you look at the statistics, mentally ill people dont commit these kinds of acts.
Whats ethans social media look like?
Hes 100% a typical spoiled white child from a affluent family.
Ethan is not a victim of anything.
That wasn't mean. It's a prank that many parents would teasingly play on their kid who is playing with a Ouija board.@@theresafoss7849
The lawyers and judge talk in front of the jury about evidence issues a lot. I’ve never seen that before.
The judge is a joke...no control over her courtroom
Yeah, I’ve seen where lawyers as to approach the bench.
Me either. I shocked that it hasn’t been addressed by now. Weak judge.
@@AshleyMarieMommy It’s not a very crucial matter for the prosecution. It would be a waste of time if they led away the jury for this
The judge explained to the lawyers before the case started that the jury is too close to them for there to be any side bars.
She literally said she’s asking stupid questions but she’ll ask it in a different way 😮
I REALLY don't like that defense attorney, for a myriad of reasons, and it blows my mind that this defendant has been paying for this less-than-mediocre private counsel while she let the taxpayers foot the bill for her son's public defense. If that doesn't prove how self-involved she is, I don't know what does.
Her son plead guilty. Nothing to really defend.
Omg!
@@gagecarlsen3872um yes... The death penalty trial which he got away with
I would NEVER pay for my child’s atty if he did something this vile!
When I found out she was privately paid, I almost died. Apparently mom’s judgment is fundamentally flawed in more than one area. She most likely is resigned to the fact that her son will be in prison for life, and wrote him off already. Whereas concerning herself, she sees the possibility of them having some type of life left ahead of themselves. I can’t imagine the amount of guilt and shame that I would feel, and would be deserving of whatever punishment the people felt was justified. I understand that’s easier said than done, but when you look at the magnitude of what has happened, how could you not feel that way? This defense counsel is a private practice and she complains about what they do and don’t have, as if the state is just swimming in a pool of money. The defense attorney clearly is inexperienced, and it shows.
I have never seen so many negative comments about a defendants attorney before
there is a reason for it. the judge is not really good either, unfortunately.
And they're all warranted. Worst attorney I've ever watched and I've watched tons of trials. Seen the best attorneys and judges. Defense and judge are worst here.
@@alliehunter9896I completely agree. This lawyer is absolutely terrible she is completely unprepared. Constantly arguing no matter what it is.
I'm curious if maybe Jennifer is playing the long game and allowing this less-than-mediocre defense to set herself up for an appeal on the basis of ineffective counsel...??
What really grinds my gears is that she's been paying for this private counsel this whole time while she let the taxpayers foot the bill for her son's public defense. That right there proves how self-involved she is.
This defense attorney's behavior is ridiculous. Grounds for an appeal for sure.
This defense attorney is a train wreck! Someone escort her out! Along with judge. Cannot hear her most of the time...she seems over her head... has to take breaks to decide issues..not sharp...
Yet judge consistently tells witnesses to speak up
She can’t even remember what testimony just took place. It’s baffling. Horrible judge.
And a couple of times I heard her ask the attys - especially the prosecutor “what do you think I should do?” Doesn’t really inspire faith in her leadership.
I have yet to hear the judge tell her to speak up once I don’t think we’re listening to the same trial
@user-ov3cw8iy2c actually I was referring to the judge
Going down memory lane serves no purpose under these circumstances. The victims families are left only with memories of their children..they were painfully rob of a future filled with memories
Amen 🙌
She kept checking on her husbands whereabouts because SHE was cheating ... You always blame the other for that which you are doing ...
The testimony shows she & her family spent quality time together. They took a lot of trips etc. The opposite of what the media was trying to portray them as...
Bingo yet every moron putting out a comment about frying her is as stupid as stupid comes. Not a single mention today of his school by the media. Maybe that’s because they prefer to keep people focused on the singular target. And what people witness in a single examination like years worth of a child’s mental health packed all together creates a narrative of neglect, which the media hops all over, then the fucking mindless flock follow, when in reality, she seems like most American moms not wanting to believe their child’s a mental case. The real issue is when are people going to stop listening to media trash c and realize their world is being manipulated. Lastly if they are found guilty this opens a world of issues as to where it stops when pressing charges against parents.
Legacy media is known for that. Of course they will report jenjen taking ec to firing range and that it's illegal to buy gun for a minor in MI...all relevant to case. Viewing the court cases with different witnesses, reading the court documents re motions and filings is best way to obtain facts of a case.
I think just because they took family trips or spent physical time together doesn't mean much when they didn't know how messed up their son actually was. Seems like they didn't speak to him about his feelings/emotions or just brushed aside the scary/concering stuff.
So what? Who doesn’t have pic of family outings? Even families who mentally and physically abuse their children take pics… prime examples are the Frankie and Hildabtandt families
Yes exactly and do you know where the media got their information? They got it from the police and you know what the police are allowed to lie the Supreme Court has ruled they can lie they don’t get in trouble for lying they can lie to you they lie about you and they can’t be sued there’s no problem but if you tell Aaliyah about her or me I can see you for defamation. That’s where the media got it
This defense attorney is atrocious. And don’t get me started on the judge
This testimony shows a lot of parents in our country right now...
Most parents are barely surviving to make ends meet.. driving depression and denial... It's absolutely no excuse.... but if this mother and father get charged, why didn't the other parents in other cases?! God bless everyone involved.
Well the dad quite literally took the kid to the gun shop to purchase the gun. Seemingly everyone but whoever sold the gun knew it was for the kid. The parents don't know their kid is this mentally damaged, yet they think he's doing so well that they buy him a weapon. We still haven't reached the part where the kid isn't even old enough to have a weapon, let alone mature enough to use it. They "hid" the bullets but Ethan knew where they were to access them. If anything I think they were super neglectful
Exactly the world we live in today is extremely stressful there’s no such thing as a stay at home parent anymore keeping up at household jobs food on the table Medical it’s overwhelming and it’s some point you fall down and things pile up and then you get back on him but don’t ever really catch up and then you ask yourself when is it my turn when do I get a break when tell me when I get the break.
Exactly. I don't see this going thru.
When you decide to bring kids to this world, YOUR child should be a priority. Don’t make them someone else’s problem. In this case her horses, house renovations, cheating etc. we’re a priority and she failed this child. She should be charged along with every parent who brings a child to this world and does not take responsibility for their actions.
Parent should be aware that this trial opens the door to many more like this. Your kids driving a car and their breaks fail killing someone and YOU, PARENT, go to jail for life because you let them drive and didn't have perfect breaks certified by a break specialist. Watch what you wish for because it works against you.
I don't like how defense attorney addresses the judge. There's no respect or formality.
What's worse is that the judge allows her to
The judge is a lousy judge!
Ladies and gentlemen this trial is not about the attorney it is about this woman’s life think for a minute think about it for the last two years she hasn’t even spoken to her husband her son has committed murder and now she’s being charged as if she committed those murders too.
The mother whose daughter committed suicide because she was bullied on social media how come she’s not at fault for her daughter’s death she didn’t know what her daughter was doing she didn’t know this was happening to her but I don’t know we’re going to blame it on social media there’s a special place in hell for you people
@@user-ov3cw8iy2c
You sure seem defensive of Jennifer. Do you know her personally?
@@PonderingOne Ikr.
damn ! 3 mins in and she's snipping at the judge - we have a few judges here that would have pinned her ears back if they were replied to like that.
i entered a *deep* situational depression right before hs graduation. when my mother couldn't get anything out of me, and suspected depression, she took me to the hospital, and put me in therapy. when i had an adverse reaction to the antidepressants they put me on, she had me back at the hospital for alternatives. if i wasn't going to talk to her, she made sure i talked to someone (doctors and therapists). my mother _tried_ with little to nothing to go off of besides a change in my behavior and refusing to talk. THAT'S WHAT PARENTS DO! had the crumbley's taken ANY action, they wouldn't be on this stand‼️
Exactly. Their emotional negligence was a direct blame here. Im happy both parents were held accountable. And bless ur mama for being a good one.
I don’t believe she ever went into his room. And that was not a normal mess. The shades were broken , empty booze bottle , etc. She seemed so out of touch with him and just did NOT care. Imo.
Wow, Ethan looks like her. She’s trying to make him sound like a normal, good kid but we know she had no interest in helping him with his mental health. Her horses and affair took precedence.
Nevertheless, he planned and executed the murders of 4 people wounding of others. When she was interviewed by police she was angry and aggressive compared to James who sobbed and was devastated.
She’s aged cuz she’s been through so much heartache, stress, anxiety, devastation etc. Her life has changed unexpectedly overnight. She’s only human like us all and tragedies happen in life. Give her a break!
I won’t give her a break I mean she is negligent - but I agree with you she is suffering and that Is painful to see. Not as painful as it was to hear from the parents of the kids that were killed though- that was gut wrenching
@@elizabethantoine9652she should not be up on these charges. It's overcharged.
@@Thebeautiful11 And neither should the dad then, you think? Both innocent or should be charged with something else?
I won’t give her a break. She knew without a doubt that her kid was a school shooter waiting to happen and she decided to…buy him a gun?! No. I’ve had years to process what she did and it still blows my mind every time I think about it. She knew her kid was an antisocial freak who day dreamed and journaled about how much he wanted to shoot up his school and even knowing all of this SHE BOUGHT HIM A GUN. She killed the victims just as much as her creepy animal torturer offspring killed them. She deserves no mercy and no breaks from anyone.
@@carolinegallegos_ you are speaking like she did the school shooting. She did not plan to buy her kid a gun so he could go murder fellow classmates. The government should be held accountable for condoning the proliferation of gun ownership in the USA. Ethan C. could have got a gun from a neighbor or elsewhere and went on a shooting spree. If every parent is held responsible for their kid’s behaviour and crimes, then there needs to be a lot more jail cells and there should be licensing for parents to have children to ensure they are fit and responsible to raise them.. This is the first prosecution of its kind and a guilty verdict would be preposterous.
She put her own interests ahead of her son's welfare. Seems to me they would give Ethan anything as long as they didn't have to bother with him. Jennifer Crumbley is a very self absorbed human being and a terrible Mother. However, I think she has done her time. I still think she should be found guilty but sentenced to time served and released. She's lost everything and she will have to live with the consequences of her negligence for the rest of her life. That defence lawyer and the judge though, absolutely dreadful, both of them.
I actually agree with you! She will be judged like we all will be by God! ❤️
This foolish mentality used to let DUI killers get away with it. The “they’ve already suffered enough” defense. Absolute nonsense. People need to be put away for their crimes regardless
@@GrowingwithAnastasia considering she’s not committed any crimes then she shouldn’t be in jail or on trial. If she was such a horrible parent all those years, there would have been many teachers through out the years that got up to testify, they haven’t. Seems he’s not been a threat, according to the counselor who gave Ethan, the shooter, not his parents, the option to go back to school or go home. He even admitted this on the stand.
@@GrowingwithAnastasiaAgreed! She and her husband purchased the gun for her disturbed son and didn’t check his bag at the school (the least they could have done); now 4 young lives are gone forever and all roads lead to the neglect of these parents and their purchase of the gun. She deserves 20 years minimum.
@@lour9348she does not. And won't get that. Her son chose to make his decisions. Child neglect at best. This case is a joke. Shooter is away for life. This trial is a joke in its entirety. By all accounts. Prosecution..judge and defence. 3 ring circus. There's a reason this is the 1st trial as such.
We can blame the school, the parents even the shooter all we want but the bottom line WE, SOCIETY must change FIRST before this stops happening. It is not the schools' job to raise our children. It does take a village. Finally, I will say that in EVERY single school shooting, bullying was an issue in the child's life. We need to really look at that. Why do these kids hate their school so much that they would go get a gun and start shooting people. Bullying is the motive. We don't like to talk about that because it places the cause back on us. We are a bullying society and use it to get ahead in life in an effort to rise above the next guy.
So the school was emailing back and fourth on November 10th and the parents were never informed. My ex boyfriend had a son who went to this school and after the shooting had issues with the school. They had 1 psychiatrist for all of those students. His kid didn’t want to go back and was struggling because of this. His dad called the counselor over and over and over and they never called him back. He had to go up there to get him switched to half online and half in person. This school handled Ethan’s case irresponsibly and after the school shooting continue to handle it poorly. What a disgrace of administration. They sent a 1k check to one of the victims families and the dad returned it and what he had to say of the school dodging accountability is 100% spot on.
I am truly sorry for what he/any of those young people endured. That is a lot of trauma for one's so young to carry. I truly hope that they can find peace.
It’s sad how we judge people as though our lives are all perfect. So glad my mother raised me to never judge a person unless I’ve walked in their shoes. I know I’m guilty of straying from that and I’m going to try to do better. Parenting is a job that doesn’t come with an instruction manual, quite honestly the toughest job I’ve ever had. I was a single mom and my child had her share of emotional issues. Even though the timing was never good for a emotional breakdown, I always tried my best to get to the bottom of what was bothering her. I feel sad for the lives that were lost, especially young lives but I also feel sorry for this family because they were no different than most.
Oh yeah just a normal family of parents who blatantly ignore the cries of their hallucinating teenage son and instead buy him a gun, who also refuse to take him out of school HOURS before the shooting when he was exhibiting warning signs of wanting to harm others. Just your typical family right?
Your mother taught you well and it obviously rubbed off on you. It took courage for you to make your comment…and low and behold in todays world of cynics and “wanna be know it alls” it only took 15 minutes for “yet another expert” on all matters to chime in and sling a sarcastic piece of BS at you and your comment. Seems to me that person could have used a mother like yours when they were being raised.
As parents we all face difficult times with our children…usually when they are teens. Thank god both of my daughters are now adults (with children of their own).
I’m not ashamed to judge this woman when it comes to ignoring this boys mental health. She contributed greatly to how he felt. She chose to ignore his texts when he was fearful and lonely. I just don’t care to hear anything she has to say
@jrrd4069 learning the warning signs of the onset of mental illness for a teenager is not clear cut. I'm a youth mental health instructor who teaches the warning signs. Teenagers are very difficult to discern because they go through a lot of changes. I really don't think she knew what was to happen. It's very sad
I truly doubt that!
Gee she is worried about her husband daily and constantly texting him, but her kid was screaming for help, and she completely ignored her own child. She is every child's worst nightmare. She is red because she is lying she is red because she knows she is wrong. She never cared about her son.
She was frequently asking James where he was throughout the day because they were both having extramarital affairs!!
Not because she was mama bear worried about the whereabouts of her family.
The very day before the shooting, Ethan gets caught shopping for bullets while in class and his mother is notified. She doesn't return the school's voicemail, but instead texts her son: "LOL, I'm not mad at you, but you need to learn not to get caught."
breeding a murderer? Mix in a mixed up child who was at home alone alot, with access to a gun. The kid was begging for help and you buy him a gun? Strange parenting at moat.
The judge lost me when she said the defense attorney was smart and good at her job 🤔 what am I missing there!! ?? Just NOOOOOO! Please turn her off…She NEEDS to play the quiet game🫣🤭🤐🥴🫨😬🤨🧐
TL;DR The defense "atty" is the "judge's" newly adopted teenage daughter.
Wait, what ?
Sure seems that way
Thanks to the defense "attorney", Mommy Crumbley's loathing and total disregard for firearm safety in the home was fully disclosed.
Why is the defense attorney such a cry baby?
Constant whining and arms crossed in a defensive stance. Bizarre.
@@nicolettebrown2680or arms flapping 😂
@@GrizzlyUrsusArctosthe way she talks with her hands is beyond annoying !
Spoiled.
The judge and the defense "attorney" would serve better wrestling in a kiddy pool of jello. In a courtroom, they're both an embarrassment.
She aged 20 years, and it's a blessing to her as others didn't live to see 20.
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What does that have to do with this woman aging considering she didn’t harm any person or kill those kids, her child did. How many other parents have you seen charged over murders their kids are committing every single day?? Perhaps what you say about others will come back to haunt you or others you care about. Very disrespectful of the deceased & the parents who also lost their son to the penial system for life.
@@dudemorris7769 clearly you miss read the comment.
@@dudemorris7769absolutely! People act high and mighty. Those people would probably be shocked if they knew what their kids have done and even themselves. These poor parents are victims too. The state should be ashamed of themselves prosecuting them for this. They need to check their own kids
@@poodee9395no they didn't.
Not at all insensitive to show pictures of the shooter so the parents of his victims can have that in their face.
25:21 her lack of love/care/concern for him cannot be disguised. I don’t think she’s even aware of it but it’s unmistakable.
I worked as an educator for many years and it’s brutal to see parents and kids that don’t like each other on a deep level.
It’s not very common - even difficult relationships are common - but it’s permanent.
I have an old friend who can’t stand her daughter and it’s so painful to be around them.
Don't let your kids play with Ouija boards people!
Is this "judge" deliberately throwing the trial, the entire shrit-show, her unprofesional, chaotic courtroom, her newly adopted teenage daughter as the defense "atty", screams "ineffective counsel", and the poor parents will have to sit through this again.
I couldn't agree more. This "judge" seems to be more concerned about eating her lunch and taking breaks.
Thats why i constantly tell my kids i love them..i hug them..they are successful today and a child needs love..not just a room, games, ect..Love and affection is so important
I know no one likes the defence attorney she has a prickly demeanour but she is a fierce defender of her client. She gives it her all.
She's brash and annoying, just like the defendant.
She’s doing way extra and it only hurts her client. Totally unprofessional and honestly quite desperate.
She comes off as a VERY cold, uncaring parent. I can't call her a Mother because I don't think she is deserving of that name. She was more concerned with control of her husband, her son, her horses and her affair. I have zero symapthy for her. NONE. THIS taking of the stand did NOTHING to help her case.
I had to look and see if I had typed this ! I would say the same thing! Perfect comment
Well there’s something wrong with the both of you in fact I think you’re both projecting who you are onto her. Have you had a child are you raising a child what would your kids say I bet you would be surprised. You’re pretty cold bitch yourself
She isn't getting involuntary manslaughter. Child neglect at best. She didn't know how to be a close parent. Do you realize how many people like her exist?
She looks like someone on zanax or something to be able to keep her composure. These medications can give people a flat effect.
Points taken
Lady your son is an oddball who is into bizarre activities.
So they didn’t want his name ever said in the courtroom because it was offensive to the victims families but the 5000 photos they shared in agonizing detail, with dates and occasions and enlarged to fit the big screen was totally fine and not at all offensive?! Omg
I understand trying to humanize the killer thru family photos of trips and holidays, but my God, victim families will never get to experience those things with their kids. I think going thru all those pics was a bad call and seems hurtful to the victims families
That was the risk they took by trying to show how involved the parents were in the son's life.
What's she doing cleaning his room, rather than teaching him good habits; i.e., cleaning his own room as he goes (and brushing his teeth)?
I think her attorney is trying her best to defend her client and I admire the judge for following the law but remaining patient.
I thought our justice system and the law was supposed to be objective, not subjective. I thought lady law was blindfolded so the law would be applied in an unbiased manner. I thought laws were to be written in a way that makes it clear whether they were violated or not. I thought this was purported to be a black or white issue with no grey areas.
Everyone who said "not guilty" said the State didn't prove their case (with proof, or evidence).
Everyone who said "guilty" started their responses with "I think she should've..." Nevermind that the law allowed them to not lock up the 🔫...."I think she should have locked the 🔫 where he couldn't get it." Nevermind that he seemed like a normal kid with no disciplinary issues, "I think she should've spent more time with him." Nevermind that the school didn't send him home & gave her 48 hours to find a therapist. "I think she should've taken him home immediately after seeing that drawing."
So, now it's cool to apply the law based on what you think? Based on your opinion? Based on your feelings? Not based on what the law says & what proof of your guilt was presented in the hearing? WTF?!
I have no hate for defense attorneys per se (in fact I am well aware of their importance) but this one is so “put upon” it’s exhausting to listen to her.
WHY does everytime she says Ethan, she immediately stops, apologizes and then says "My son" ??? Ethan IS her son. So what is the big deal?
They are not allowed to refer to him by his first name
This poor “friend.” I feel for him because they keep placing so much emphasis on his move like it was some kind of offense to them.
I keep thinking about him as well-he must feel a sense of guilt as well, just too sad.
What's with the defense attorney? It sounds like she's trying her first case, but according to her website, she's been practicing for years. She's awful.
I cannot liaten to this def atty, ridiculous, she has no professio al presence, no ability to put on a case...pathetic
Her husband lost his job and his insurance, and she had to wait until open enrollment to qualify for insurance at her job? She should have been able to get insurance when she lost her husbands.. At any rate, I'm wondering if because she didn't have insurance, her son was afraid to tell her about his symptoms. . Ethan told a friend he wanted to call 911 because he was hearing voices, he couldn't tell his mom...we all need to learn the warning signs of the onset of mental illness and we should all have free health insurance. My heart goes out to the victims and their families. Mrs. Crumbly was a friend of mine's neighbor years ago. My friend said they were nice people. So sad all the way around.
He wasn't shy. He told her he was having experiences with demons and needed therapy.
I don't know the law in that state but that's a rule in my state. Losing an employer health plan counts as a an event where you can be added to insurance outside of open enrollment
@staceyb.5878 Yes, same here in Michigan, which is where they live.
@bugsea He DID tell her. There are tons of texts between them where he talks about “ghosts” destroying things in the house. He was prone to violent outbursts at home that he would claim were ghosts. They knew. They didn’t get him the therapy he needed (either medical or behavioral). It wasn’t their priority. Maybe instead of buying that HORSE they could have paid out of pocket for mental health services.
“Life Event”. She could have signed him up for insurance the day her husband lost his job.
Her lawyer , is she really that unprofessional? Is she new at her job ?
claims she has been a lawyer for 16 years and also represent larry nasser when he molested a majority of the olympic gymnasts!
An interview with her in '17 stated she "loved" defending sex offenders. Shes known for 3 cases. Shannon Smith exhibits a child like confusion, disorganization, petulance, and inexperience
One case was defending Larry Nassar
No, she has 15 years experience and has her own law firm. The pictures advertising the firm look more like a modeling agency.
@@maridepp53you're kidding? She seems like someone fresh out of law school. I can't believe shes that experienced!
I gotta say this is the worst defense attorney i have ever seen. She does good at points but is so unprofessional at other times its astounding. And the prosecution isnt much better. So much misconduct in this trial, idk how the judge allows all this. No side bars... no objections, they just yell out the whole problem infront of the jury. This trial is gonna have some major problems after the verdict
Children werw killed by her son. How did she handle that? She didn't purchase the gun for Ethan, but it's what she said to him about "don't get caught", and why did she and her husband go into hiding.
But you could bet your last dollar if mom didn't want her son having a gun, she wouldn't have let her husband purchase it for him. She seemed like the man of the house so to speak.
The context was don’t get caught viewing videos in class
She was in on the gun. It was in on the planning to buy a gun. She bragged about it. She took him to train him.
I believe the “don’t get caught” text was in response to her son researching bullets in class. How about saying “why were you looking that up?”
She did not tell him did not get caught killing people he had got caught looking on his phone on Google at bullets. Boys will be boys they like guns from the time they’re little bitty boys are grabbing sticks acting like their guns they’ve ever seen one or not I don’t know if it’s American or what but it’s ingrained in them and who are you who the fuck are you
The defense attorney is actually like a childlike brat! She doesn’t know a lot of stuff she should know… Especially over talking others
I think she looks totally mortified and this must be extremely painful for her. She’s also been through a lot.
Not as mortified as the students who her son shot with the gun she bought and didn't secure. And she hasn't gone through nearly as much as the parents of those dead students.
@@lawandaollison1400 well that goes without saying. She’s on trial here. Can you focus a little bits
@tinab3627 maybe keep that focus on the victims? She doesn't know the true meaning of being mortified, but she's going to find out soon when she starts her time in the pen.
She's aged 10 years in jail in 2 years
Her neck goes through 50 shades of red throughout the video. Lol.
Stress reaction. Not uncommon
I am way worse than that! I get really red and blotchy on my chest, neck and face.
When you’re a single person taking care of a household you’re the one in charge of everything and everyone counts on you sometimes it’s like a giant wave that you’re running from trying to stay ahead of some time the wave catches you and you’re left with all the bubbles around you it’s like drowning I understand where she’s coming from
Great description. I imagine this is how many people feel. 😢
She wasn't a single person, and the only thing she was running from was getting her son some much needed professional help.
I’m a single parent. She was not a single parent. She had a husband and a boyfriend to lean on
@@CMS301but what does this have to do with anything she wasn’t a single parent at all
I think it’s unfortunate she was found guilty. Maybe she wasn’t a great parent but she didn’t pull the trigger. I don’t believe she could even fathom her child would shoot up the school. AND if she’s so bad, why don’t they put all bad parents in prison to ensure they don’t make their children worse? How about parents drinking and doing drugs around their children day after day, etc.? This is out of hand - an emotional guilty charge.
I wonder if she was ever offered a plea bargain to avoid this trial and refused it??
Weird stuff going on in the house: also a cry for help. How could Jennifer not see this? Far beyond the 'pranking' by this time.
Very simply… when you pack years worth of information into a hour of two worth of testimony you can create a very different story. Lots of mothers struggle with their children’s depression and I don’t know of many mothers who out right acknowledge there kids fucked up in the head. Don’t be so hasty to be a Monday morning quarter back.
Them displaying big pictures of Ethan in front of the victims families like this is extremely in poor taste and judgement. He’s a murderer and that’s it.
Such a high-profile/sensitive case and yet this judge is unbothered and can't wait to leave...she is so ambivalent. It is a disgrace to the court and the victim's families who are attending. Not to mention the defence attorney who sounds drunk or perhaps just inexperienced and nervous. And this lady shows absolutely no remorse or sense of responsibility or guilt...whether found guilty or not she is most certainly at least in part responsible, along with her husband, so far as they could have easily avoided this tragic incident altogether by being prudent and not giving their son a gun. More importantly, the son clearly depressed and in mental turmoil needed help and she was too busy fking around to notice it. Poor dude was literally begging for help and all his efforts went unnoticed. One simple act 'Son can I help you? what's going on? what's bothering you? could have avoided all this.
The judge and the defense atty make me want to scream! The level of idiocy and incompetence they project is insane!!
Prosecution is no better. This court room is a circus. Prosecution is stretching and they know it.
All those pictures are supposed to show that she did spend time and paid attention to her son, just not when he desperately needed and desperately asked for it. So in my opinion, all those pictures don't mean a thing unless she has pictures, screen shots or Google history showing her looking for a therapist for her son.
This!
Facts
I don't think the ghost business was a joke to him. I think he really was scared and played it off as a joke or the parents assumed he must be joking. So yes, they should have taken him more seriously and got him help to make sure.
you can ask a six-year-old boy where daddy hides the gun, nine times out of ten they will show you where daddy has hidden the gun.
So, why is Ethan "my son" when she's testifying, but he had to be called "the shooter" throughout the rest of the trial?
You should be asking the judge that question it’s the judge’s ruling that he should not be called by name and it is up to her to referee the trial and it is normal for a mother to call her child her son or by him and his name it’s not like we don’t know his name I think it’s pretty stupid that we should be calling him by name and call him whatever you want it doesn’t matter
Those families of the shooter’s victims wished at his sentencing that his name never be spoken again in public .
The victims' families requested that Ethan's name not be used during the trial, and of course mom is going to call him "my son".
They aren't calling him the "shooter" before the actual shooting, you'll notice. Often they referred to him as "Mrs. Crumbley's son" with some witnesses. If it was pre-shooting he was "her son", post shooting, he was "the shooter".
Because he’s a minor.
I’m not one to judge but I do feel for this woman.Don’t get me wrong what happened is absolutely horrific! I don’t believe she ever thought something like this would happen! I feel most would agree Parenting is the hardest job in the world and we’ve all made mistakes. I do feel the gun should have been locked away somewhere out of reach .What is causing
all these children to want to gun down their peers I wish I knew. I work in a school and it’s scary I believe our schools are going to have
change some things maybe checking backpacks or metal detectors. We must protect our children at all cost and if that is going through someone’s backpack then so be it!
Again making schools accountable to raise kids! Parents need to check on the mental health of their kids not buy guns for kids pay attention to their kids like stop blaming the school the crossing guards the Walmart greeter - raise your kids
I retired last year after almost 24 years in the school district.. before I left they were talking about installing metal detectors at the entrance of the school. I got out just in time.
@@elizabethantoine9652
I agree Parents should be Parents no doubt.
They check our bags before boarding a plane why not check backpacks before entering a school if it keeps the environment safe.
I'm sure 99.9% of parents never think their kids are capable of doing something so horrific however they do and recently they have a lot. We live in a different world and unless parents are living under a rock they are aware of this. Stop trying to be your kids friend and start being a responsible parent. Responsible parents don't let their kids play with a 9 mm period.
The defense attorney needs coaching about somatic practices to calm her nervous system, breathe deeply, slow down, lower her voice. She comes off as being somewhat hysterical, which doesn't read well and alienates her audience and diminishes some of her good lawyering points.
I honestly thought Jennifer did a decent job on the stand, she was somewhat likable UNTIL she said she’d do NOTHING different!
What does Ethans dental records have to do with this 😂
The dental records are just another example of what a shitty parent she is .