According to students and parents, rumors regarding threats of a mass shooting occurring at the school were circulating before the incident occurred, prompting some students to stay home on the day of the shooting. Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said his office was not aware of any credible threats prior to the shooting.........the school is covering something up, that's why they threw this lady under the bus.
@@Ilovereeses874 no, I understand her points. To be clear, I think the case against her isn’t very strong but the defense attorney just keeps digger her client’s grave deeper and deeper… It’s not about attacking her personally it’s about being critical of her strategy and skill (or lack thereof). I guess we’ll see how the jury feels.
@@tylertaylorcomposer I feel like she got the point across that the law is on Jennifer's side pretty clearly. Her personal life examples express that, if jennifer is found guilty it could very easily be her in that chair for many reasons to be a nice way of expressing to the jury the silly standards we will be creating if Jennifer is found guilty.
I beg to disagree. I raised 3 boys, with sarcasm & responsibility. If I was a gun owner, And if I ever got called into the school because one of my sons, drew such horrific things on a worksheet. My first stop would be at home to see where the gun is. if said gun is missing, I would call the school and alert them as I drove to the school. She knew they bought that boy the gun 3 days before along with 100 rounds, it couldn't have slipped their mind. In fact, it was an emergency according to their texts, all other things aside, that's where they failed, having the knowledge no one else did and doing nothing. The Crumblys could have stopped the whole thing if ONE of them had gone to the house to see if the gun was still there. an ounce of prevention. Their not charged with murder, they are charged with involuntary manslaughter. @@Ilovereeses874
@@Ilovereeses874 holding bad mothers accountable for enabling the egregious crimes their minor child commits... it's not that silly tbh it's long overdue
I really do think that Jennifer Crumley would have a better shot with a public defender. This attorney is so unlikable, whiny and narcissistic. I get trying to relate to the jury but this was just so disorganized and minimizes some pretty serious things that were going on in this case. I worry that the jury will focus on the fact that people often leave firearms unsecured in their home so that they can quickly access them in an emergency when they really should focus on the extreme neglect. It is clear from his statement at sentencing that if properly medicated, he is of very sound mind. But they never took him to a doctor and She gave him her own Xanax instead. These people never should’ve been parents. If you watch the Miller hearing, you will hear evidence of their extreme neglect, including leaving him home alone starting at age 6 and he would go to neighbors to beg them for help and to call his parents. Imagine leaving your six-year-old home alone! They also knew that he had a very serious fall at work at age 14 that was on video which is so unbelievably disturbing. They never even took him to the hospital or to the doctor for that. He hit his head so unbelievably hard on a metal cart.these parents are beyond deplorable.
She actually did an amazing job during and leading up to the trial with the exception of mentioning some strange personal information here in the closing argument.
This is one of the most self-centered closing statements I have ever heard a defense attorney make. "I don't matter (but people are being so mean to me online!)" is a terrible take. Also, she has introduced the public perception of her case to a jury, who should remain impartial. That by itself is very iffy, and would have been regardless of which side made that comment. I almost feel bad for her client, having such an unprofessional defense. Almost.
@@katelynnhopkins9309 That's true tbh, not to mention the consistent inaction of the judge. That might very well be a possibility. Now, she should hope a different lawyer helps her appeal if we goes that route, regardless of my feelings on the matter
@@Ilovereeses874 I agree I could be a bit biased because of my dislike to her, but here are some points I thought regarding the actual statement: * "Context is important!" (but she did not give the counselor the necessary context to make a better choice that day, like him getting a gun and "acting depressed") * "Should I be liable if my kid sent a dirty pic, since that would be illegal in this hypothetical example?" Yes! You should be the one explaining these issues to your child, as well as monitoring their phone use if you believe they are not emotionally ready to face these situations, were they to arise. * "My kid said lights were flickering and she would probably sound like a crazy person out of context" Personally, I would not consider a person to be crazy if they say their lights are flickering, not to mention her husband actually dealt with the situation and was able to provide an answer to the child's issue. Her client did not investigate, and this was a much more worrying statement * The whole approach of trying to make her client seem to be a "helicopter parent" was very damaging. It would have been a good defense, if she had actually been able to prove enough cases of her mother's involvement in her child's life. She did not know her child's supposed "friends", decided to medicate him without consulting a doctor first, did not appear worried when he was described as "acting drunk" after medication, was not aware of him missing school, was proven to not take the meeting with the counselor seriously enough from the get-go by telling her boss she would be back "in an hour at most", decided to take him to the gun range without the parent in charge of gun care being present, etc, etc. * "I could be on the stand any day!" would be a good approach... and then you hear her speak about her children. Speaking only for myself, I felt she was not a very caring mother. Of course, I do not know her or her children, so I would take this point with a pinch of salt. Again, I might be biased, you are absolutely right! But even after removing her personality, I disliked her strategy, not to mention -again- how often she referenced to how she was being ridiculed on tiktok, even after saying she should not be important in the equation. I partially agree with the approach of saying "hey, we parents all feel like this/can relate to that/could be the next one on trial". I think that's effective. I still feel it is insufficient
Exactly her focus was on how she appeared to the media and social media, defending her incompetence. Her trashiness her abuse of alcohol. Her excitement for Fringe encounters.
How many people have you represented at trial? You would be an awful juror, because if an accused was to have looked at the news after a horrible event, you would declare them guilty because they weren't doing what YOU thought they should've been doing! You also represent the same types of individuals that were also jurors in an attempted murder trial when I was the foreperson. There were only two of us who left out our personal beliefs, and stuck to the evidence presented at trial. The others gave speeches about interracial, relationships, race, and their personal views on gun ownership. Thankfully, the jury ended up being hung, and a woman Avoided being sentenced to 25 years in prison for a crime she did not commit. I pray you are never selected for jury duty because you represent the types that WILL convict people based on bullshit, not the evidence!
@@jamespeek8682thank you James for the truth! Seems people can’t see past that & are too busy with social media….as is the case with Crumbley. She was so interested in what people (she didn’t even know) thought of her. I can’t even conceive why her friends/ family would send her idle threats off Facebook for her to read in the first place. I guess I’m from a different generation & don’t plaster my whole life over Facebook.
Shanon Smith is delusional. As a parent of a teenager, it is our duty to reach out and connect with our teens no matter how difficult it is and no matter how much they push us away. I am a working mom too and its very very difficult to balance. However, it doesnt absolve you of your duty as a parent. You brought this life into the world, you are responsible till they turned adult. Cannot overlook the fact they bought the teen a gun.
We cant forget though that they did not break the law when that gun was purchased for Ethan. Its legal to buy a gun for minors with parental consent for certain purposes ie hunting target practice etc. Its also not illegal to have your guns unsecured although it changes in April i believe. Thats the law in Michigan. They knew ethan was down which is why i believe she went to the gun range with him because she was trying to bond with him. The only time the school raised a red flag was the day they had the meeting. The psychologist even admitted they did not ask them to take him home and that he was better off around his peers which he stated he wanted to do. Remember this shooting happened a couple of hours later. He already had that gun in his back pack. Nobody had an inkling he had violent tendencies towards others only suspected perhaps he did towards himself. Even the female teacher who he didnt shoot said she thought no way could she believe it was Ethan. This case is being tried on emotion and i understand it was tragic but we cannot have emotions when it comes to criminal cases. Personally i would never allow guns anywhere near any children but its not about what we think its about the law and did it rise to a high enough level to convict her of manslaughter.
Very inappropriate sharing info about her teenagers. Now it’s for the world and all their friends to see. If they didn’t want to hang out with her before, they definitely don’t now!
I do not hate Shannon but I do think she is doing a poor job. I think she is very capable but she is unprepared, disorganized, rude, unprofessional and that will not sit well with the Jury. Also the mother saying she would not have done anything different was ill advised, she should have shown some contrition.
What an offensive closing argument in a dead teenager shooting Comparing 9 mm to a laptop, cell, or jetski? Using herself as comparison ? Insulting law enforcement and other witnesses My God!!
According to students and parents, rumors regarding threats of a mass shooting occurring at the school were circulating before the incident occurred, prompting some students to stay home on the day of the shooting. Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said his office was not aware of any credible threats prior to the shooting.........the school is covering something up, that's why they threw this lady under the bus.
According to students and parents, rumors regarding threats of a mass shooting occurring at the school were circulating before the incident occurred, prompting some students to stay home on the day of the shooting. Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said his office was not aware of any credible threats prior to the shooting.........the school is covering something up, that's why they threw this lady under the bus.
As a fellow criminal defense attorney I try to avoid criticizing other attorneys, and especially avoid being extremely harsh or critical, however, I have to say I find this defense attorney so incredibly offensive and unprofessional. I see people saying that they enjoy or relate to her, but she is absolutely unprofessional and is not comporting herself in the way expected of attorneys in a court of law during this “closing argument.” This is embarrassing. It’s absolutely all about her and I cannot understand or fathom why she is talking about herself and her newfound “tic-tok fame” in a trial regarding the slaying of four young individuals. Her ability to make this about herself, bringing up Tic-Tok approximately a thousand times (only tik-toks regarding her of course…), minimizing/or even ridiculing the defendant’s son’s mental health and the lack of concern that his mother had toward him and his clearly impaired mental health, and most offensive of all: her completely flippant attitude and manner of speaking despite the absolutely horrific set of facts in this case, regardless of the defendant’s guilt or lack thereof. I’m truly sickened by this attorney and I’ve never made such a strong and negative statement about a fellow attorney. However, I don’t think she gives a shit about her client. She wants to be a celebrity apparently. Calling the killer’s cries for help, “goofy” is beyond the pale. Fuck her.
I completely agree. I've never seen an attorney act like this in a courtroom. It's very unprofessional and off kilter. I'm surprised people think she's doing good here. It really is all about her, and the way she spoke to the jury was cringeworthy. As if she was lecturing them instead of providing a level headed, solid argument. The difference of professionalism between the defense and prosecution was very clear to me. This is a trial about a serious event and she was being inappropriate, especially with that 'goofy' comment.
Was with you until, you said "fuck her". As a you stated as a former defense attorney, being professional is very inappropriate. That last statement brings you right into the same category as her!
All that matters is they bought their 15 year old son a gun and didn't properly store the damn thing! In my opinion, dad may be more to blame than mom.
I agree. That's all that matters, but I know as a mom that there's no way in hell I wouldn't intervene and make sure that thing was secure at all times, and if I'd had any doubts about that not being possible, it would be gone. And she was no battered and controlled wife. She wore the pants in the family, so she could have absolutely made sure that that gun was secure. She participated in going to the range to shoot it. She is 100% liable.
@@MT-rg4zbshe doesn't know how to deliver a narrative, she can't peice a comprehensive paragraph together without losing the audience, she can't resonate w the jury, she makes the prosecution's points for them DURING CLOSING, she's overly dramatic and emotional to the point that it hurts her client, she has no sense of court etiquette, she cant pronounce basic terms properly, she inacurately pprtrays legal prinicpals, her closing was ripped straight from googling 'defense lawyer closing argument main points', and she is messy and disorganized. But none of that would matter to me if she weren't so utterly rude and unlikable. I feel deeply sorry for her husband and any future client she ever 'represents'
As the child of a great defense attorney, I know my dad has never spoken about me or discussed my life throughout any part of any case. I wonder how her kids feel about this. It’s a scummy cringy strategy. 🤯
Ok but are her kids torturing baby birds and writing in graphic detail about how satisfying it is. He tried getting caught and nobody paid him any mind. She knew where her husband was at all times but didn't know her kid had tortured dead animals in his room or a journal about his love for hitler, detailed writing about him loving to kill and torture and a play by play of how everything would happen. If you see his trial it just shows how much info had been omitted but i just dont see how everyone "missed" the warning signs
Yes our children are at school more hours than with their parents, but we parents are the ones who live with them one on one and are responsible to decide after weighing what the trained professionals think. And in this case the professionals did not know that much about the home life.
The absolute worst ever. I have never seen a defense attorney stand up in closing argument to defend herself. She has got to be the most immature inept crap I have ever seen
Then I highly doubt your a mom cause this is catastrophic how can you charge the parents of someone who was deemed and adult and in control of his own actions etc , but then add his parents , okay so where are all the other school shooters parent z? This is insane . The state crossed the line her life was already horrible and chaotic and every moms absaloute worst nightmare
I understand but this is not really about them (absolutely no disrespect to them) it’s about her and her son and whether she’s guilty of aiding him in committing the crime
This is about Jennifer, not the victims, so why would she mention them? The victim impact statement is a time for victim families. The trial is for Jennifer.
I’m not going to lie. When she said her kids and her both would rather do anything then spend time together I was shocked. My kids are grown now. I went out of my way when they were teens. We spent lots of time together! I cheered them on at all their sports. We went to see every new superhero movie. We were always around each other whenever 20:08 possible! Maybe that’s the key. Don’t spoil them rotten and then ignore them. I feel bad for her. I picked up right away when she was talking about their life. She never held her son responsible.. you cannot raise a man without making them responsible for their actions. Giving him a second room to destroy after tearing the one he had up. Leaving it nasty and she would clean his room? Are you serious? I don’t fully understand how he got the gun. I understand how he could blame others for his misery and harm them. He was raised to think of himself and others cleaned up his mess! I hope others take it as a lesson! If you can’t be responsible enough to clean your room, you definitely don’t get a phone and you definitely won’t get a gun! People no longer have expectations of their children! If you want good from your kids expect good from them. If you don’t get good, hold them to it. No if ands or buts about it!
Exactly! So many bad moms on here talking about how "relatable" she is. 😒 good moms are NOT finding this relatable. It's actually disgusting and sad. That's literally how sociopaths are created. Neglectful mothers.
How do people still not realize that the trial is not about whether or not she knew he was going to shoot up the school? It’s about the negligence in providing access to a firearm to a minor, one in which was mentally struggling. Of course they are bringing up foreseeability, but really that’s not in question. This could be any individual, hence why calling attention to the importance of responsible firearm storage/access. It is setting precedent for parent’s responsibility when giving a minor assess to a firearm, not for any gift ever given to them.
They have to prove she was overly negligent and those people, me, are telling you that to prove that then they need to provide direct evidence that she actually knew and did nothing to stop it. THAT is what this trial is about. And she did not know, she had no clue, therefore, not negligent. If I steal the gun of the person that I live with and I shoot someone, they are not going to charge my roomate, he's going to say he had no idea that I was the type and the worst he would be guilty of is not locking up his gun. THAT is how it works with every other situation on the planet, until now, and it is b.s. Besides that, when did they prove she wasn't locking up the gun? They didn't.
I'm not trying to be a jerk but she was assuming you would understand what she alluded to. If I buy my kid a car and she drives it into a person, negligently, does that make me guilty? Why not? What if they find text messages where my daughter expressed being upset? Etc etc etc, (the etc also assumed you can figure out the rest of what I alluded to). That is why she used those examples. She even broke down the cell phone thing because she probably realized that one was little tricky to think they'd undrstand without those details. And she makes a fine point, one you pretend not to understand now.
@@inuchan74 Because both of you are wrong. You seem to think if it is proven she is a 'bad parent' then that makes her guilty. That is not this case. She has to have known and had the ability to stop that. All there is to it.
You don’t buy a lonely strange kid with depression and expressing Negative thoughts a gun! He needed therapy way before. She didn’t even want him and certainly did want anymore kids.
Oh crap.. The lawyer has been reading our comments about how horrible she is.. WHAT ATTORNEY does a segment about themselves during closing? The nicest thing I can think is that she's trying to mess up this case on purpose.
Omg!!! This defense attorney has revealed so much about her personal life and making this about her in the closing arguments 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️. She is absolutely off the charts. I feel sorry for her 4th child learning that they’re an oopsie baby. What a horrible thing to say about her own child. I have no more words for her behavior in this trial. I think she needs to find a new career 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@Ilovereeses874She's an incompetent and you know it, Mr. Smooth Brain. She's fumbled through this whole trial and lucky the judge slept through most of it.
As much as I am against this country's obsession with guns, I think she's intentionally drawing attention away from Crumbley. She knows Crumbley isn't likeable. Plus, by drawing attention to her she makes it seem like anyone could miss the signs and thus not meeting a gross deviation from standard of care. I think she's actually quite smart.
I'm an oopsie baby. Why is that a bad thing? I means you weren't planned. My parents had a 7 and 5 yr old. They thought they were done. Surprise! I never felt unloved ever. My mom told me I was a surprise. Big deal, who cares? I bet half the human population are oopsie babies.
Entire defense closing was about Shannon herself and her incompetency to actually defend anyone!! Nassar received the highest number of years ever!! Bish is a loser, again 😅
Here we go this should be a hoot I hope the prosecution file a complaint against this woman for her despicable unprofessional behaviour into this courtroom it was a deliberate act to sabotage this trial with her two year olds antics imagine what her colleagues are saying around the water fountain 😃
You did not notice his bahavior, because you are biased, closed-minded, and you already thought she was guilty before you ever listened to her argument. While she made the argument, rather than listen to her, you let yourself become annoyed. Pathetic.
Are you serious, she believes with all her heart that Mrs Crumbly should be found not guilty. I would pay good dollars to have a defense attorney believe in me so much that they are emotional to the point of tears.
@@JaiCahill-cd1uw This isn't even the type of case she usually defends, she is actually a specialist and she defends the most deplorable accusations, often in a case she has no chance to win. She says she took this case because she cared so much and I believe her. This is a f'ing travesty. No parent should be dragged through this unless it can be directly proven that the parent knew and did nothing about it. That case was not even close to being made and after the prosecution rested, I became irate. That's their case? Wtf. What horror. And now she has to hope the jury is rational, logical, open-minded, critical thinkers? Have you seen these public comments? Horrifying, I am worried for her but shouldn't be.
Any parent blatantly ignores repeated please for help from their child? Any parent starts leaving their child home alone at the age of six? Any parent leaves firearms unsecured in the home? Any parent who has a flexible work schedule decides not to take them home from school after an emergency meeting where they are literally asking for help, saying the world is dead, and pleading (again) for help with the voices in their head that won’t stop? That is any parent? This goes so far beyond leaving firearms unsecured in the home. Many parents have done that. You understandably want to be able to access your firearm quickly in an emergency so people do it all the time. But this kid was neglected to such a degree that goes far beyond negligence.
they got the guilty party in prison for life. school threw this lady under a bus. rumors were floating around about school a possible school shooting, some kids did not come to school that day, sheriff was never notified.
yeah you're a sh!t mom too that's why you can relate to this dumb btch's statements. Everything that woman said about her parenting is absolutely disgusting! This is why the US has gone to sh!t. Y'all don't cook, y'all don't clean, y'all don't take care of yalls kids.. y'all don't even wanna wash and fold clothes! Then y'all send these ill equipped children into society to be everybody else's problem. Y'all are raising sociopaths. This is literally an example of what the neglectful parenting y'all are so proud of breeds.
That was the most disgusting narcissistic closing argument I've ever seen. It's disgusting that's how y'all treat yalls kids and think it's okay. Stop making children you aren't equipped to care for!! Why do yall have kids if yall don't want them?? Why do y'all have children then not take care of them??
@@texasmadehoney1523 Thank God you’re not the defense because you repeat yourself over and over using different verbage. You also constantly use all capitals. You are either over emotional or incompetent.
Her attorney took the closing statements to defend herself? That's so self centered in so many levels. She talked more about herself and her kids than the defendant
I wonder if she bought him a gun bc she knew he was having these issues and she wanted to see what he'd do. Probably to get rid of him bc he was a nuisance to her.
What sort of company does Shannon Smith work for? Is she so arrogant that she thinks she can do all this on her own? Where is her staff? Crumbley paid for this?!?!
Are you saying it's normal for a parent to ignore or tease a child that they know is depressed, has paranoia, has anxiety, runs around screwing everybody and having threesomes, getting drunk. Ignoring the child's cry for help? Then compares buying a gun for a kid that has all these issues to buying them skis, or a laptop, insinuating there is no difference between a 9 mm automatic weapon and a set of skis? So that's average? really?
I thought it was brilliant as well! I thought she did a pretty damn good closing! But she addressed all of her issues that clearly society is talking about. And that’s why she mentioned that she knew she interrupted when she shouldn’t… She would catch herself sometimes, I think Jennifer will be found not guilty. Could you imagine it happening to one of us mothers?
I'm sorry, not! Shannon constantly lied, whined & complained throughout her closing!! After losing Nassar's case so spectacularly I'd of thought she'd be fired.
@@Brookexoxoxo no not at all.. just someone who's smart enough to know what the word means and what the personality disorder entails. It's called an education. Try getting one.
If Mrs. Crumbley was charged for negligence and missing the signs of her son needing help then maybe all parents of shooters should be charged for not catching the signs of their unstable children and doing more to help them. They all missed the signs. And they all are human.
It was painful wondering just how this high school “mean girl” type finds her way into a courtroom. Her sophomoric snarky personality just comes off as a Saturday Night Live lawyer parody. I’m always impressed by professional articulate professional lawyers and how they can command a room. But, Shannon was actually painful to watch and listen too. This was not the demeanor of an adult.
This attorney tells it like it is. The bottom line is: There’s no proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. No proof the defendant knew what her son was planning to do, but if you’re someone who thinks she should go to prison for what her son did… you need to wake up to the law, and leave emotions out.
I agree, let's face it morally she did a lot of things wrong 100% but she does not have hindsight. She did not know her son would kill anyone with the gun.
I suggest you view the entire examination and cross-examination of Jennifer crumley and watch the witness testimony. If you at least do that then you will see that Shannon Smith lied within 3 minutes of her opening statement. Plus, if you watch the rebuttal of the prosecutors you will also see that. Shannon Smith, the inept attorney that she is gave false information to the jurors on what beyond a reasonable doubt would means.
Wow. She is so consumed of her own image, and the publicity she is getting and all the people making tiktoks about the case. How incentive can someone be in a case like this? I hope the judge and jury recognize this and plead guilty. This is embarrassing. The prosecutor went off of facts, instead of solely off opinions.
NO SHANNON, the horse related evidence showed that Mrs ‘Crumby’ spent far more time and money on her horses than her son! I am an idiot and even I can see this!
@@Brookexoxoxo Do you think her flaws could impact a decision from the jury? The defense attorney interrupted the proceedings a lot. Honestly asking, because I’m wondering if Jennifer Crumbley could then appeal because of ineffective counsel?
kids can act one way around friends, act another way around parents, and act another around teachers. kids can show different sides of themselves to different people. the prosecution is tunnel-visioned,
I like this defense attorney. She seems very genuine. I thought she gave a very convincing closing argument. I'd have to find the defendant not guilty.
I like her too and she has done an amazing job throughout the trial but the jury isn't there to decide which lawyer did a better job. They're to decide if this woman should be held liable for allowing what happened at the school that day to occur. They have to go by the facts are the end of the day and the facts are that four children died (and seven others were injured) and that is because these parents allowed this child access to a gun, which is against the law.
A kid saying he sees or hears demons, obsessed with guns, talking about violence at school, depressed, lonely, hears voices, begs for help....hello? That's NOT normal kid stuff. Thats school shooter ID. Parents turned blind eye because it would make them look bad.
I dont see how she missed the signs of mental illness. He wasnt cutting himself...I was saying I saw shadow people starting at age 6. My brother drew skulls ans guns and blood in hs and now hes a tattoo artist. Luckily I had a grandma that was psychic and she supported me and my mom supported me and my brother. Not everyrhing is mental illness. There's alot of different kinds of people and families out there.
I think the Defense lawyer is brilliant, she is defending her client with all she has and you can tell that she 100% doesn't think this woman should be found guilty. So many defense lawyers would probably agree that their client deservers what they get and they are there simply to uphold the defendants right to have an attorney. But Shannon 100% believes that Mrs Crumbly should not be found guilty. I happen to agree, in saying that, if someone I loved was killed by Ethan I would probably want Mrs Crumbly to go to jail.....life is confusing at the best of times.
@@JaiCahill-cd1uw Wasn't sure if it was a typo or if you were just putting the blame solely on the father for actually being the purchaser of Ethan's weapon. Thanks for clarifying!
I mean I would’ve spent less time letting the jurors know I’m know TikTok famous and at least tried to sound like a gave a singular crap about the victims- just on a human level. But different strokes for different folks I guess. The way she made it almost all about herself was wild and repugnant in my professional opinion though.
I think they should have gone home to see where the gun that they bought for their son was, which looked really similar to the gun he drew and could have stopped the whole thing. They lived close to the school, in fact I think waking distance.
Horrible that the judge didn’t shut this down. If you read the Michigan rules for closing arguments- Shannon totally violated. This should be a mistrial.
She did a really good job in my opinion, she tried to appeal to the human in all of us to the jury…I believe this should never have gone to trial, the prosecutors are trying to make a case out of nothing, there’s perfectly good explanations to most of what they reckoned happened the way they did….i will be very surprised if she’s found guilty…soo much doubt she’s guilty
I can understand making JC look human with faults, I think that because she knew she did something wrong and flee seals her fate. Good luck JC supporters.
@@megmeyer7563she's relatable to all the psycos like her . That's all. But don't worry even if Jennifer gets free she will be in prison out here. She's a felon with nothing to offer . Plus will NEVER EVER EVER ne at peace not to mention the most hated women especially in her state and I could go and on and on . So truly if she gets out or not SHE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN PRISON AND MISERABLE .... period
Love how the prosecution and his assistant put their heads down the entire time the defense attorney . They are trying to act like they are not listening to a word she is saying. That in itself is annoying.
But you weren't annoyed by the defense attorney chewing her nails, looking down when the judge was talking.. yeah okay. You're just another sh!tty mom cheering for this narcissistic bullshi+
Is this closing argument for herself or her client? She clearly has no idea what she’s doing.
Exactly
According to students and parents, rumors regarding threats of a mass shooting occurring at the school were circulating before the incident occurred, prompting some students to stay home on the day of the shooting. Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said his office was not aware of any credible threats prior to the shooting.........the school is covering something up, that's why they threw this lady under the bus.
You Cleary missed every point she made and focused entirely on her personality, smooth brain syndrome.
Clearly, you have no idea what legal strategy is. Reviewing her closing on legalities only- well done.
It's about people being mean to her on tik tok 🤣🤣🤣waaaa waaaaa waaaaa😭😭😭
using closing arguments to defend yourself instead of your client is wild. Smh
All her points went right over your head I see.
@@Ilovereeses874 no, I understand her points. To be clear, I think the case against her isn’t very strong but the defense attorney just keeps digger her client’s grave deeper and deeper… It’s not about attacking her personally it’s about being critical of her strategy and skill (or lack thereof). I guess we’ll see how the jury feels.
@@tylertaylorcomposer I feel like she got the point across that the law is on Jennifer's side pretty clearly. Her personal life examples express that, if jennifer is found guilty it could very easily be her in that chair for many reasons to be a nice way of expressing to the jury the silly standards we will be creating if Jennifer is found guilty.
I beg to disagree. I raised 3 boys, with sarcasm & responsibility. If I was a gun owner, And if I ever got called into the school because one of my sons, drew such horrific things on a worksheet. My first stop would be at home to see where the gun is. if said gun is missing, I would call the school and alert them as I drove to the school. She knew they bought that boy the gun 3 days before along with 100 rounds, it couldn't have slipped their mind. In fact, it was an emergency according to their texts, all other things aside, that's where they failed, having the knowledge no one else did and doing nothing. The Crumblys could have stopped the whole thing if ONE of them had gone to the house to see if the gun was still there. an ounce of prevention. Their not charged with murder, they are charged with involuntary manslaughter. @@Ilovereeses874
@@Ilovereeses874 holding bad mothers accountable for enabling the egregious crimes their minor child commits... it's not that silly tbh it's long overdue
I really do think that Jennifer Crumley would have a better shot with a public defender. This attorney is so unlikable, whiny and narcissistic. I get trying to relate to the jury but this was just so disorganized and minimizes some pretty serious things that were going on in this case. I worry that the jury will focus on the fact that people often leave firearms unsecured in their home so that they can quickly access them in an emergency when they really should focus on the extreme neglect. It is clear from his statement at sentencing that if properly medicated, he is of very sound mind. But they never took him to a doctor and She gave him her own Xanax instead. These people never should’ve been parents. If you watch the Miller hearing, you will hear evidence of their extreme neglect, including leaving him home alone starting at age 6 and he would go to neighbors to beg them for help and to call his parents. Imagine leaving your six-year-old home alone! They also knew that he had a very serious fall at work at age 14 that was on video which is so unbelievably disturbing. They never even took him to the hospital or to the doctor for that. He hit his head so unbelievably hard on a metal cart.these parents are beyond deplorable.
I was just thinking the same thing. She sold her horses and house for this?!?! 😳😩
I'm sorry, but how did this Lawyer pass law school and/or the bar. There will be a retrial if found guilty due to incompetense
Right?
I agree. Jc’s only real chance is to appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel.
She actually did an amazing job during and leading up to the trial with the exception of mentioning some strange personal information here in the closing argument.
@@kitt3521 You are far too generous... But sure, I guess 😂
@@kitt3521I think we are watching different trials. She was a hot mess.
This is one of the most self-centered closing statements I have ever heard a defense attorney make. "I don't matter (but people are being so mean to me online!)" is a terrible take. Also, she has introduced the public perception of her case to a jury, who should remain impartial. That by itself is very iffy, and would have been regardless of which side made that comment. I almost feel bad for her client, having such an unprofessional defense. Almost.
You took the words out of my mouth!
@@j4d7s8I agree. Even if the defendant is found guilty, I’m thinking she can argue she had an inadequate defense.
@@katelynnhopkins9309 That's true tbh, not to mention the consistent inaction of the judge. That might very well be a possibility. Now, she should hope a different lawyer helps her appeal if we goes that route, regardless of my feelings on the matter
Your problem is you're focusing too much on her personality and not the points she's making. This closing statement was fine.
@@Ilovereeses874 I agree I could be a bit biased because of my dislike to her, but here are some points I thought regarding the actual statement:
* "Context is important!" (but she did not give the counselor the necessary context to make a better choice that day, like him getting a gun and "acting depressed")
* "Should I be liable if my kid sent a dirty pic, since that would be illegal in this hypothetical example?" Yes! You should be the one explaining these issues to your child, as well as monitoring their phone use if you believe they are not emotionally ready to face these situations, were they to arise.
* "My kid said lights were flickering and she would probably sound like a crazy person out of context" Personally, I would not consider a person to be crazy if they say their lights are flickering, not to mention her husband actually dealt with the situation and was able to provide an answer to the child's issue. Her client did not investigate, and this was a much more worrying statement
* The whole approach of trying to make her client seem to be a "helicopter parent" was very damaging. It would have been a good defense, if she had actually been able to prove enough cases of her mother's involvement in her child's life. She did not know her child's supposed "friends", decided to medicate him without consulting a doctor first, did not appear worried when he was described as "acting drunk" after medication, was not aware of him missing school, was proven to not take the meeting with the counselor seriously enough from the get-go by telling her boss she would be back "in an hour at most", decided to take him to the gun range without the parent in charge of gun care being present, etc, etc.
* "I could be on the stand any day!" would be a good approach... and then you hear her speak about her children. Speaking only for myself, I felt she was not a very caring mother. Of course, I do not know her or her children, so I would take this point with a pinch of salt.
Again, I might be biased, you are absolutely right! But even after removing her personality, I disliked her strategy, not to mention -again- how often she referenced to how she was being ridiculed on tiktok, even after saying she should not be important in the equation. I partially agree with the approach of saying "hey, we parents all feel like this/can relate to that/could be the next one on trial". I think that's effective. I still feel it is insufficient
This whole closing argument is cringe 😬
Perhaps you should have done the closing arguments? You did have the option not to watch! Those Monday morning quarterbacks are always "cringe!"
@@jamespeek8682She's making it about her. Her actions throughout the trial are of a spoiled brat. Unprofessional is the word you're looking for.
Explains why she was nor prepared st trial she is to busy looking at tic tok and media😢
Exactly her focus was on how she appeared to the media and social media, defending her incompetence. Her trashiness her abuse of alcohol. Her excitement for Fringe encounters.
Did you not see the stacks of papers and files? I'm sure she's devoted plenty of time to this trial.
How many people have you represented at trial? You would be an awful juror, because if an accused was to have looked at the news after a horrible event, you would declare them guilty because they weren't doing what YOU thought they should've been doing!
You also represent the same types of individuals that were also jurors in an attempted murder trial when I was the foreperson. There were only two of us who left out our personal beliefs, and stuck to the evidence presented at trial. The others gave speeches about interracial, relationships, race, and their personal views on gun ownership. Thankfully, the jury ended up being hung, and a woman Avoided being sentenced to 25 years in prison for a crime she did not commit.
I pray you are never selected for jury duty because you represent the types that WILL convict people based on bullshit, not the evidence!
@@travisxtopherthose files up there were all for show!! She thinks she is like the detective on the show “Colombo” years back!!
@@jamespeek8682thank you James for the truth! Seems people can’t see past that & are too busy with social media….as is the case with Crumbley. She was so interested in what people (she didn’t even know) thought of her. I can’t even conceive why her friends/ family would send her idle threats off Facebook for her to read in the first place. I guess I’m from a different generation & don’t plaster my whole life over Facebook.
Shanon Smith is delusional. As a parent of a teenager, it is our duty to reach out and connect with our teens no matter how difficult it is and no matter how much they push us away. I am a working mom too and its very very difficult to balance. However, it doesnt absolve you of your duty as a parent. You brought this life into the world, you are responsible till they turned adult. Cannot overlook the fact they bought the teen a gun.
We cant forget though that they did not break the law when that gun was purchased for Ethan. Its legal to buy a gun for minors with parental consent for certain purposes ie hunting target practice etc. Its also not illegal to have your guns unsecured although it changes in April i believe. Thats the law in Michigan. They knew ethan was down which is why i believe she went to the gun range with him because she was trying to bond with him. The only time the school raised a red flag was the day they had the meeting. The psychologist even admitted they did not ask them to take him home and that he was better off around his peers which he stated he wanted to do. Remember this shooting happened a couple of hours later. He already had that gun in his back pack. Nobody had an inkling he had violent tendencies towards others only suspected perhaps he did towards himself. Even the female teacher who he didnt shoot said she thought no way could she believe it was Ethan. This case is being tried on emotion and i understand it was tragic but we cannot have emotions when it comes to criminal cases. Personally i would never allow guns anywhere near any children but its not about what we think its about the law and did it rise to a high enough level to convict her of manslaughter.
That part^. You summed it up perfectly.
And to me everything you said is 💯 common sense . Clearly we all especially Jennifer and Shannon's fans have a different definition of common sense.
@@naomideleon8363 FANS of those 2 women. Your bar is low
@angielea8111 the gun store owner CLEARLY said it IS ILLEGAL to buy a gun for a minor
Very inappropriate sharing info about her teenagers. Now it’s for the world and all their friends to see. If they didn’t want to hang out with her before, they definitely don’t now!
TOTALLY violation of her kids privacy to bring them up. They have NOTHING to do with this case! I feel so bad for her kids.
I do not hate Shannon but I do think she is doing a poor job. I think she is very capable but she is unprepared, disorganized, rude, unprofessional and that will not sit well with the Jury. Also the mother saying she would not have done anything different was ill advised, she should have shown some contrition.
very capable? hmmm
What an offensive closing argument in a dead teenager shooting
Comparing 9 mm to a laptop, cell, or jetski?
Using herself as comparison
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Insulting law enforcement and other witnesses
My God!!
According to students and parents, rumors regarding threats of a mass shooting occurring at the school were circulating before the incident occurred, prompting some students to stay home on the day of the shooting. Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said his office was not aware of any credible threats prior to the shooting.........the school is covering something up, that's why they threw this lady under the bus.
Shannon Smith is as trashy as Jennifer. Both wear it like there's some honor in being a pos
You guys miss the point. This isn’t about Ethan he’s been charged. Jennifer didn’t commit the crime.
You ABSOLUTELY missed the point. She was talking about conditions when you give your child a gift.
@@sassybanjo3586 People are so naive and emotionally stunted.
I’ve never heard a closing about the attorney’s life. She’s horrible.
Why are the parents of previous school shooters not on trial as well?
Because they likely did not provide the murder weapon then try to flee.
Iffs
Did u watch and listen
Well go back and do that
U too lazy or no comprehension either way
It's not up to others to educate u
According to students and parents, rumors regarding threats of a mass shooting occurring at the school were circulating before the incident occurred, prompting some students to stay home on the day of the shooting. Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said his office was not aware of any credible threats prior to the shooting.........the school is covering something up, that's why they threw this lady under the bus.
@@joshcagle2395I guess you didn’t watch the trial. It was proven they did not try to flee
@@DEARABBEY15 what were they doing then? I thought they were holed up in Detroit with lots of cash and burner phones and were hiding?
She really likes when people make tictocs about her 😂
Jennifer got the lawyer she deserved
As a fellow criminal defense attorney I try to avoid criticizing other attorneys, and especially avoid being extremely harsh or critical, however, I have to say I find this defense attorney so incredibly offensive and unprofessional. I see people saying that they enjoy or relate to her, but she is absolutely unprofessional and is not comporting herself in the way expected of attorneys in a court of law during this “closing argument.” This is embarrassing. It’s absolutely all about her and I cannot understand or fathom why she is talking about herself and her newfound “tic-tok fame” in a trial regarding the slaying of four young individuals. Her ability to make this about herself, bringing up Tic-Tok approximately a thousand times (only tik-toks regarding her of course…), minimizing/or even ridiculing the defendant’s son’s mental health and the lack of concern that his mother had toward him and his clearly impaired mental health, and most offensive of all: her completely flippant attitude and manner of speaking despite the absolutely horrific set of facts in this case, regardless of the defendant’s guilt or lack thereof. I’m truly sickened by this attorney and I’ve never made such a strong and negative statement about a fellow attorney.
However, I don’t think she gives a shit about her client. She wants to be a celebrity apparently. Calling the killer’s cries for help, “goofy” is beyond the pale. Fuck her.
I completely agree. I've never seen an attorney act like this in a courtroom. It's very unprofessional and off kilter. I'm surprised people think she's doing good here. It really is all about her, and the way she spoke to the jury was cringeworthy. As if she was lecturing them instead of providing a level headed, solid argument. The difference of professionalism between the defense and prosecution was very clear to me. This is a trial about a serious event and she was being inappropriate, especially with that 'goofy' comment.
Disagree with you completely.
This statement , if coming from a legitimate fellow attorney , is one of the most prejudiced & highly unprofessional statements I have read!
Was with you until, you said "fuck her". As a you stated as a former defense attorney, being professional is very inappropriate. That last statement brings you right into the same category as her!
@@lostallhope675no it doesn't. They're absolutely right! As an educated person, it was difficult to watch.. CZcams COMMENT SECTION IS NOT A COURTROOM
All that matters is they bought their 15 year old son a gun and didn't properly store the damn thing! In my opinion, dad may be more to blame than mom.
mom too she knew they bought the gun, she bought the ammo. One of them should have gone home before going to the school to see where the gun was.
I agree. That's all that matters, but I know as a mom that there's no way in hell I wouldn't intervene and make sure that thing was secure at all times, and if I'd had any doubts about that not being possible, it would be gone. And she was no battered and controlled wife. She wore the pants in the family, so she could have absolutely made sure that that gun was secure. She participated in going to the range to shoot it. She is 100% liable.
Nonsense. You clearly do not understand law
nonsense you clearly do not understand law
two can play that game
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@@kitt3521Exactly this!
Ive never felt like a better mother than i do after watching this
This atty doesn't even know how plurals work. It's not "burden of proofs" it's "burdens of proof""..... how did she make it through law school?
She said thousands of words and made one mistake. Give her a break.
An online degree from Trump University dog😂
@@MT-rg4zbshe doesn't know how to deliver a narrative, she can't peice a comprehensive paragraph together without losing the audience, she can't resonate w the jury, she makes the prosecution's points for them DURING CLOSING, she's overly dramatic and emotional to the point that it hurts her client, she has no sense of court etiquette, she cant pronounce basic terms properly, she inacurately pprtrays legal prinicpals, her closing was ripped straight from googling 'defense lawyer closing argument main points', and she is messy and disorganized. But none of that would matter to me if she weren't so utterly rude and unlikable. I feel deeply sorry for her husband and any future client she ever 'represents'
Why does she keep talking about TikTok?
Maybe because she's a narcissist?
Hey, Shannon… ALL moms are “working” moms! Plus, way to make the whole thing all about yourself.
That was her strategy - to show all moms 9including her) could be sitting there on trial.
Thats the worst closing argument ive ever heard,what a terrible attorney.
As the child of a great defense attorney, I know my dad has never spoken about me or discussed my life throughout any part of any case. I wonder how her kids feel about this. It’s a scummy cringy strategy. 🤯
Ok but are her kids torturing baby birds and writing in graphic detail about how satisfying it is. He tried getting caught and nobody paid him any mind. She knew where her husband was at all times but didn't know her kid had tortured dead animals in his room or a journal about his love for hitler, detailed writing about him loving to kill and torture and a play by play of how everything would happen. If you see his trial it just shows how much info had been omitted but i just dont see how everyone "missed" the warning signs
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Yes our children are at school more hours than with their parents, but we parents are the ones who live with them one on one and are responsible to decide after weighing what the trained professionals think. And in this case the professionals did not know that much about the home life.
This is THE WORST defence closing I have ever heard.
The absolute worst ever. I have never seen a defense attorney stand up in closing argument to defend herself. She has got to be the most immature inept crap I have ever seen
That's because you suffer from smooth brain syndrome.
@@intothemystic3374I totally agree, I am embarrassed for her.
I can only imagine that Jennifer this attorney, Shannon Smith because they're so similar in so many ways. And that is not a compliment
Then I highly doubt your a mom cause this is catastrophic how can you charge the parents of someone who was deemed and adult and in control of his own actions etc , but then add his parents , okay so where are all the other school shooters parent z? This is insane . The state crossed the line her life was already horrible and chaotic and every moms absaloute worst nightmare
She only mentioned the victims and their families once in the last 2 minutes. Wow this chick is something
I understand but this is not really about them (absolutely no disrespect to them) it’s about her and her son and whether she’s guilty of aiding him in committing the crime
This is about Jennifer, not the victims, so why would she mention them? The victim impact statement is a time for victim families. The trial is for Jennifer.
@@MT-rg4zbactually the state brings charges on behalf of the people. It's literally about how her actions effected others.
@@JoeJoe-et8vjactually the state brings charges on behalf of the people. It's literally about how her actions effected others.
I’m not going to lie. When she said her kids and her both would rather do anything then spend time together I was shocked. My kids are grown now. I went out of my way when they were teens. We spent lots of time together! I cheered them on at all their sports. We went to see every new superhero movie. We were always around each other whenever 20:08 possible! Maybe that’s the key. Don’t spoil them rotten and then ignore them. I feel bad for her. I picked up right away when she was talking about their life. She never held her son responsible.. you cannot raise a man without making them responsible for their actions. Giving him a second room to destroy after tearing the one he had up. Leaving it nasty and she would clean his room? Are you serious? I don’t fully understand how he got the gun. I understand how he could blame others for his misery and harm them. He was raised to think of himself and others cleaned up his mess! I hope others take it as a lesson! If you can’t be responsible enough to clean your room, you definitely don’t get a phone and you definitely won’t get a gun! People no longer have expectations of their children! If you want good from your kids expect good from them. If you don’t get good, hold them to it. No if ands or buts about it!
Exactly! So many bad moms on here talking about how "relatable" she is. 😒 good moms are NOT finding this relatable. It's actually disgusting and sad. That's literally how sociopaths are created. Neglectful mothers.
So she is worried about horse medicine while her son is in jail for killing people. What the hell is this atty talking about.
This sounds a mess
Dont tell jury that public opinion hates your defendant duh
Why? The jury should not be swayed by the public, and her point is everyone jumped on the parents when it could have been any parent.
The judge & Shannon have a relationship that is beyond the court room!! It is so obvious it is sickening!!
A lot of them do they just don't show it. It's unprofessional.
@@texasmadehoney1523 They are here.
How do people still not realize that the trial is not about whether or not she knew he was going to shoot up the school? It’s about the negligence in providing access to a firearm to a minor, one in which was mentally struggling. Of course they are bringing up foreseeability, but really that’s not in question. This could be any individual, hence why calling attention to the importance of responsible firearm storage/access. It is setting precedent for parent’s responsibility when giving a minor assess to a firearm, not for any gift ever given to them.
They have to prove she was overly negligent and those people, me, are telling you that to prove that then they need to provide direct evidence that she actually knew and did nothing to stop it. THAT is what this trial is about. And she did not know, she had no clue, therefore, not negligent. If I steal the gun of the person that I live with and I shoot someone, they are not going to charge my roomate, he's going to say he had no idea that I was the type and the worst he would be guilty of is not locking up his gun. THAT is how it works with every other situation on the planet, until now, and it is b.s. Besides that, when did they prove she wasn't locking up the gun? They didn't.
I'm not trying to be a jerk but she was assuming you would understand what she alluded to. If I buy my kid a car and she drives it into a person, negligently, does that make me guilty? Why not? What if they find text messages where my daughter expressed being upset? Etc etc etc, (the etc also assumed you can figure out the rest of what I alluded to). That is why she used those examples. She even broke down the cell phone thing because she probably realized that one was little tricky to think they'd undrstand without those details. And she makes a fine point, one you pretend not to understand now.
Wow, thank you for this fabulous explaination!!! None of these people who adore this defense attorney even understand what this case is about.
@raheppe considering thr lock was still in the package, I don't think that is up for debate
@@inuchan74 Because both of you are wrong. You seem to think if it is proven she is a 'bad parent' then that makes her guilty. That is not this case. She has to have known and had the ability to stop that. All there is to it.
This isn’t about you , it’s about facts .
Still has her Christmas tree up!😂
Yep
That means Jennifer is innocent
No wonder she lost, with such an awful attorney, so annoying and entitled, calling stupid and idiots to the witnesses! Terribly unprofessional.
You don’t buy a lonely strange kid with depression and expressing Negative thoughts a gun! He needed therapy way before. She didn’t even want him and certainly did want anymore kids.
Omg the layer called her child a mistake??? She's behind incompetent.
She thinks it is all about her!
You just missed all the points she made because you're too focused on her personality, smooth brain syndrome.
the school dropped the ball, I think the judge being a working mom sees through the defence tunnel visioned autism.
Is this lawyer real? I think it‘s a high schooler posing as an attorney..😂 she has an oopsie Baby and she says her Kids are potential Killers 😂😂😂
Terrible, just terrible....
Oh crap.. The lawyer has been reading our comments about how horrible she is.. WHAT ATTORNEY does a segment about themselves during closing? The nicest thing I can think is that she's trying to mess up this case on purpose.
JENNIFER's LAWYER MENTIONED HER OWN SONS PRIVATES ... in her closing argument... what the ever loving F
She reminds me of Amber Heard attorney 😂😂
If the woman is found guilty, she might have grounds fo an appeal base on that disaster of attorney.
😂😂😂 I was thinking the same thing 😂
Omg!!! This defense attorney has revealed so much about her personal life and making this about her in the closing arguments 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️. She is absolutely off the charts. I feel sorry for her 4th child learning that they’re an oopsie baby. What a horrible thing to say about her own child. I have no more words for her behavior in this trial. I think she needs to find a new career 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
All her points went right over your head, so many emotionally driven smooth brains.
@@Ilovereeses874She's an incompetent and you know it, Mr. Smooth Brain. She's fumbled through this whole trial and lucky the judge slept through most of it.
As much as I am against this country's obsession with guns, I think she's intentionally drawing attention away from Crumbley. She knows Crumbley isn't likeable. Plus, by drawing attention to her she makes it seem like anyone could miss the signs and thus not meeting a gross deviation from standard of care. I think she's actually quite smart.
I'm an oopsie baby. Why is that a bad thing? I means you weren't planned. My parents had a 7 and 5 yr old. They thought they were done. Surprise! I never felt unloved ever. My mom told me I was a surprise. Big deal, who cares? I bet half the human population are oopsie babies.
Crumble should’ve know she was screwed from the start with this so called attorney
The Defense attorney compares her life or potentially be in JENNIFER CRUMBLEY SHOES? Come on …..what a bunch of UTTER CRAP.
Entire defense closing was about Shannon herself and her incompetency to actually defend anyone!! Nassar received the highest number of years ever!! Bish is a loser, again 😅
I couldn’t listen to this anymore. Looking for a better trial.
I agree. She's rough
Here we go this should be a hoot I hope the prosecution file a complaint against this woman for her despicable unprofessional behaviour into this courtroom it was a deliberate act to sabotage this trial with her two year olds antics imagine what her colleagues are saying around the water fountain 😃
Also the judge was so unprofessional
She is prime example that attorneys are a dime a dozen...basically worthess
You did not notice his bahavior, because you are biased, closed-minded, and you already thought she was guilty before you ever listened to her argument. While she made the argument, rather than listen to her, you let yourself become annoyed. Pathetic.
Are you serious, she believes with all her heart that Mrs Crumbly should be found not guilty. I would pay good dollars to have a defense attorney believe in me so much that they are emotional to the point of tears.
@@JaiCahill-cd1uw This isn't even the type of case she usually defends, she is actually a specialist and she defends the most deplorable accusations, often in a case she has no chance to win. She says she took this case because she cared so much and I believe her. This is a f'ing travesty. No parent should be dragged through this unless it can be directly proven that the parent knew and did nothing about it. That case was not even close to being made and after the prosecution rested, I became irate. That's their case? Wtf. What horror. And now she has to hope the jury is rational, logical, open-minded, critical thinkers? Have you seen these public comments? Horrifying, I am worried for her but shouldn't be.
Well, I do have to give it to her, any parent these days could be sitting where Jennifer is along with her husband
THANKYOU
Only a parent who is giving their child access to a gun. There is law prohibiting that. This would never be a case if the child used a knife.
If you're a shi+ mom too jus say that 🙄
Any parent blatantly ignores repeated please for help from their child? Any parent starts leaving their child home alone at the age of six? Any parent leaves firearms unsecured in the home? Any parent who has a flexible work schedule decides not to take them home from school after an emergency meeting where they are literally asking for help, saying the world is dead, and pleading (again) for help with the voices in their head that won’t stop? That is any parent?
This goes so far beyond leaving firearms unsecured in the home. Many parents have done that. You understandably want to be able to access your firearm quickly in an emergency so people do it all the time. But this kid was neglected to such a degree that goes far beyond negligence.
This is what I've been saying from the begining..but they were down on mum like a ton of bricks..why❓
Sounds more like an apology to her client. Sorry I got overwhelmed and thrown-off. I’m incompetent. 😂
Check on this mother's children!!
I would appeal based on ineffective counsel. This is the worst closing argument I have ever heard. She hasn't yet touched on the evidence.
they got the guilty party in prison for life. school threw this lady under a bus. rumors were floating around about school a possible school shooting, some kids did not come to school that day, sheriff was never notified.
Omg I’m so grateful I’m reading multiple of these arguments in favor of mom , and as a mom I couldn’t imagine being in her shoes but I know I could be
Where is the information about the rumors? Haven't heard that.
@@shaunameghanndo you keep a gun in your home that is not secured?
Only a mother of teenagers could have given this summation. Very good job!
yep exactly!
yeah you're a sh!t mom too that's why you can relate to this dumb btch's statements. Everything that woman said about her parenting is absolutely disgusting! This is why the US has gone to sh!t. Y'all don't cook, y'all don't clean, y'all don't take care of yalls kids.. y'all don't even wanna wash and fold clothes! Then y'all send these ill equipped children into society to be everybody else's problem. Y'all are raising sociopaths. This is literally an example of what the neglectful parenting y'all are so proud of breeds.
DON'T HAVE KIDS IF YOU DON'T WANNA TAKE CARE OF THEM
That was the most disgusting narcissistic closing argument I've ever seen. It's disgusting that's how y'all treat yalls kids and think it's okay. Stop making children you aren't equipped to care for!! Why do yall have kids if yall don't want them?? Why do y'all have children then not take care of them??
@@texasmadehoney1523 Thank God you’re not the defense because you repeat yourself over and over using different verbage. You also constantly use all capitals. You are either over emotional or incompetent.
Her attorney took the closing statements to defend herself? That's so self centered in so many levels. She talked more about herself and her kids than the defendant
Ive never been in an argument with my kids where I've texted mean things to them
I wonder if she bought him a gun bc she knew he was having these issues and she wanted to see what he'd do. Probably to get rid of him bc he was a nuisance to her.
What sort of company does Shannon Smith work for? Is she so arrogant that she thinks she can do all this on her own? Where is her staff? Crumbley paid for this?!?!
brilliant Job ... she is reaching out to normal parents and how we address our teenagers when they drive us nuts!!
Offs
It must be a mind fkd Amerikkkian thing
Are you saying it's normal for a parent to ignore or tease a child that they know is depressed, has paranoia, has anxiety, runs around screwing everybody and having threesomes, getting drunk. Ignoring the child's cry for help? Then compares buying a gun for a kid that has all these issues to buying them skis, or a laptop, insinuating there is no difference between a 9 mm automatic weapon and a set of skis? So that's average? really?
yep
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I thought it was brilliant as well! I thought she did a pretty damn good closing! But she addressed all of her issues that clearly society is talking about. And that’s why she mentioned that she knew she interrupted when she shouldn’t… She would catch herself sometimes, I think Jennifer will be found not guilty. Could you imagine it happening to one of us mothers?
Too much relating first of all she has 4 kids. Jennifer didn’t even want the one she had and obviously no more. She knew she was selfish.
Jennifer has 2 kids
@@shaunameghann No, she doesn't.
How do you know she didn't want the one she had? What evidence do you have?
What law school she graduated from 😮
Darrel Brooks school of law & obekt ta dat
I think her closing argument should've been more focused on the gun negligence or not.
She did not just compare buying a teenager a gun to buying them a phone r laptop? 😯
She REPEATS HERSELF 150X's.
GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY
Smooth brain.
Idiot
I'm sorry, not! Shannon constantly lied, whined & complained throughout her closing!! After losing Nassar's case so spectacularly I'd of thought she'd be fired.
OMG!! I knew she was bad, but not this bad! 😅😂😅😂
The defense attorney did an outstanding job with her closing arguments
@@shindlesThe defense beat them silly?
@@shindlesShe's incompetent.
That was the most disgusting, narcissistic, unprofessional closing argument I've ever seen.
@@texasmadehoney1523 Ohhh that explains it. Another person who thinks everyone is a “narcissist”.
@@Brookexoxoxo no not at all.. just someone who's smart enough to know what the word means and what the personality disorder entails. It's called an education. Try getting one.
If Mrs. Crumbley was charged for negligence and missing the signs of her son needing help then maybe all parents of shooters should be charged for not catching the signs of their unstable children and doing more to help them. They all missed the signs. And they all are human.
This rivals the closing for Chandler Halderson. Yikes.
It was painful wondering just how this high school “mean girl” type finds her way into a courtroom. Her sophomoric snarky personality just comes off as a Saturday Night Live lawyer parody. I’m always impressed by professional articulate professional lawyers and how they can command a room. But, Shannon was actually painful to watch and listen too. This was not the demeanor of an adult.
Wow this lady is not only a terrible lawyer but from it sounds like a less than stellar mother as well 😬
This attorney tells it like it is. The bottom line is: There’s no proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. No proof the defendant knew what her son was planning to do, but if you’re someone who thinks she should go to prison for what her son did… you need to wake up to the law, and leave emotions out.
I couldn’t agree more.
I agree, let's face it morally she did a lot of things wrong 100% but she does not have hindsight. She did not know her son would kill anyone with the gun.
She didn't have to know. If she knew, then she would be facing murder charges. But this is manslaughter.
❤ now that is gonna be the best comment I’ve read throughout this whole case! And I thank you sassybanjo3586
@@yomamalisa Absolutely
I see all the negative comments, but I found her closing argument very compelling. Well, she got me convinced that Jennifer didn't know anything.
WAKE UP I see different all the way in the uk
@@James_Doyle83
It really is unbelievable
I'm from Aussie
No wonder children are slaughtered in mind fkd Amerikkka
U have no comprehension
I suggest you view the entire examination and cross-examination of Jennifer crumley and watch the witness testimony. If you at least do that then you will see that Shannon Smith lied within 3 minutes of her opening statement. Plus, if you watch the rebuttal of the prosecutors you will also see that. Shannon Smith, the inept attorney that she is gave false information to the jurors on what beyond a reasonable doubt would means.
I did too. It only takes one juror.
Wow. She is so consumed of her own image, and the publicity she is getting and all the people making tiktoks about the case. How incentive can someone be in a case like this? I hope the judge and jury recognize this and plead guilty. This is embarrassing. The prosecutor went off of facts, instead of solely off opinions.
NO SHANNON, the horse related evidence showed that Mrs ‘Crumby’ spent far more time and money on her horses than her son! I am an idiot and even I can see this!
Shannon is the type of person you love her or hate her. I personally love her.
Genuinely curious, but why?
Ok
@@inuchan74Idk why I just am drawn to openly flawed people. To me showing flaws is human and relatable. Can’t be a fake.
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@@Brookexoxoxo Do you think her flaws could impact a decision from the jury? The defense attorney interrupted the proceedings a lot. Honestly asking, because I’m wondering if Jennifer Crumbley could then appeal because of ineffective counsel?
She is a terrible insufferable Defense Attorney
kids can act one way around friends, act another way around parents, and act another around teachers. kids can show different sides of themselves to different people. the prosecution is tunnel-visioned,
She seems drunk… going with a public defender would’ve Ben a better call
I like this defense attorney. She seems very genuine. I thought she gave a very convincing closing argument. I'd have to find the defendant not guilty.
She's incompetent as fk
I like her too and she has done an amazing job throughout the trial but the jury isn't there to decide which lawyer did a better job. They're to decide if this woman should be held liable for allowing what happened at the school that day to occur. They have to go by the facts are the end of the day and the facts are that four children died (and seven others were injured) and that is because these parents allowed this child access to a gun, which is against the law.
That was the most disgusting, narcissistic, unprofessional closing argument I've ever seen in my life 😂
OTIS weigh-in: Jen 198 James 98
Although i didn't like her style during the trial i feel she did a good closing.
I’m agreeing with the lawyer here… shes right. This could be any parent.
Totally and it’s scary. This sets a dangerous precedent.
ANY SINGLE ONE OF US. Shes not self centered she’s proving a point it could be ANYONE
Absolutely ridiculous how many school shooting parents knew 100%. It’s very scary how many people will be convicted just LIKE THIS sick
A kid saying he sees or hears demons, obsessed with guns, talking about violence at school, depressed, lonely, hears voices, begs for help....hello? That's NOT normal kid stuff. Thats school shooter ID. Parents turned blind eye because it would make them look bad.
Don’t be your violent hallucinating child a gun and you’re ok
I think the poster was very strong
I dont see how she missed the signs of mental illness. He wasnt cutting himself...I was saying I saw shadow people starting at age 6. My brother drew skulls ans guns and blood in hs and now hes a tattoo artist. Luckily I had a grandma that was psychic and she supported me and my mom supported me and my brother. Not everyrhing is mental illness. There's alot of different kinds of people and families out there.
Ez case for defense she complicating case stop
Making comparisons and bringing up
The real victim
She is so sorry for being so sorry 😢
Bravo Shannon. You did an outstanding job.
Omg, she threw her husband under the bus
I think the Defense lawyer is brilliant, she is defending her client with all she has and you can tell that she 100% doesn't think this woman should be found guilty. So many defense lawyers would probably agree that their client deservers what they get and they are there simply to uphold the defendants right to have an attorney. But Shannon 100% believes that Mrs Crumbly should not be found guilty. I happen to agree, in saying that, if someone I loved was killed by Ethan I would probably want Mrs Crumbly to go to jail.....life is confusing at the best of times.
Mr.?
@@loveforeignaccents thank u, fixed :)
@@JaiCahill-cd1uw Wasn't sure if it was a typo or if you were just putting the blame solely on the father for actually being the purchaser of Ethan's weapon. Thanks for clarifying!
I mean I would’ve spent less time letting the jurors know I’m know TikTok famous and at least tried to sound like a gave a singular crap about the victims- just on a human level. But different strokes for different folks I guess. The way she made it almost all about herself was wild and repugnant in my professional opinion though.
I think they should have gone home to see where the gun that they bought for their son was, which looked really similar to the gun he drew and could have stopped the whole thing. They lived close to the school, in fact I think waking distance.
Horrible that the judge didn’t shut this down. If you read the Michigan rules for closing arguments- Shannon totally violated. This should be a mistrial.
How do you fiqure that ?
She did a really good job in my opinion, she tried to appeal to the human in all of us to the jury…I believe this should never have gone to trial, the prosecutors are trying to make a case out of nothing, there’s perfectly good explanations to most of what they reckoned happened the way they did….i will be very surprised if she’s found guilty…soo much doubt she’s guilty
I can understand making JC look human with faults, I think that because she knew she did something wrong and flee seals her fate. Good luck JC supporters.
Shannon is so relatable and honest I love it.
Are you kidding. She talks in circles. Hard to follow .
@@megmeyer7563No
i’m not kidding.This isn’t a laughing matter. If you don’t agree fine but quit responding to my opinion.
I wish you were kidding but maybe you’re just not paying attention. She’s a whiny idiot that talks in circles.
@@megmeyer7563she's relatable to all the psycos like her . That's all. But don't worry even if Jennifer gets free she will be in prison out here. She's a felon with nothing to offer . Plus will NEVER EVER EVER ne at peace not to mention the most hated women especially in her state and I could go and on and on . So truly if she gets out or not SHE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN PRISON AND MISERABLE .... period
That's really not her job. She's not selling Mary Kay products
Love how the prosecution and his assistant put their heads down the entire time the defense attorney . They are trying to act like they are not listening to a word she is saying. That in itself is annoying.
But you weren't annoyed by the defense attorney chewing her nails, looking down when the judge was talking.. yeah okay. You're just another sh!tty mom cheering for this narcissistic bullshi+