Why is the Mexico GP circuit TERRIBLE for racing?
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- čas přidán 30. 10. 2022
- Let's take a look at what needs changing at the Mexico City Grand Prix for next year to make the racing better...
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The atmosphere is electric. Even through a screen. This race deserves a good layout
None of these recomendations make actual sense, nor will they improve racing or spectacle. The problem here is F1 itself. There is no BoP.
@@hoary212 You are right in my opinion, i think the best solution is to create a hard breaking zone in t1 like Bahrain
@@Brasidas.3319 or... Balance of Performance. People want close racing, wheel to wheel, battles. The battle for the 10th position was way more interesting than the podium (I'm guessing because I felt asleep)
@@hoary212 ye people wanna turn every track that’s hard to overtake into melbourne. there’s like 2 corners on that track now 🤣
Mexico City has a lot of potential i hope they can fix the track, the atmosphere is already top tier
Oh.... I like the track
@@tyleroptional2639 Too many S’s
@@thevictoryoverhimself7298 I think it’s more the culture and party they bring it’s always cool asf
The stadium section is cool
.. Reminds me of a bull ring.
Altitude of 2200 m kills engines and cars imo...
Checo’s dad is the most bubbliest person i’ve ever seen. I just love how happy he is no matter the circumstances🥰
Edit: I didn’t know the full story of how he is a corrupt politician and i’m sorry
W Papa Perez
Dirty politician tho 😂
he is as corrupt as he is chubby
Corruption is how Mexican politics work. The saying is, everybody’s got to eat. Don’t blame the politicians, blame the people who keep allowing it to happen
He strolled through the general admission area on T1 in Austin a couple weekends ago and it was a pleasant surprise. Checo fans were going crazy for him, and I managed to take a selfie with him. He kept saying "okay I have to go" after each selfie but fans kept asking for pictures and he stopped every time to take one with them. He was great.
I like the fact that circuits and conditions are DIFFERENT around the globe and across the calendar. It's what makes Formula 1 a global sport. A calendar of 20 "ideal" tracks with similar conditions would feel very "samey" - the altitude in Mexico, the narrowness of Monaco, the chance of rain in Suzuka... all of these make the F1 year the rollercoaster it is!
Yeah I think there can be a balance there between cohesion yet differentiability. Hard one with racing track management having a lot of say
Yeah, but did you watch the race? Even the announcers were joking about how boring it was.
I think Monaco should be worth half points and they should put the F1 drivers in F3 cars to make things a little more interesting
@@nommchompsky or they should make the F1 cars a bit smaller again like they used to be
The narowness of Monaco is shit
This is the best comment what so ever. Every circuit has different conditions that makes attractive the F1.
This grand prix was so boring even with the new regulations change. It definitely needs some changes if this circuit is to produce interesting races
the track been that way even in local races 😂 and cars are commercial cars such as civics which are smaller only turn 1 have most action
I don’t think the regs have made racing better necessarily. Following through corners is some percent easier 20%? But slipstream and DRS are less powerful. Notice the huge drs trains this year.
the whole season has been boring, all weve seen is one team run away with the championship miles ahead of the rest
@@Dirtlegacyreal I agree the slipstream effect and the differences in straight line speed have really killed a lot of the overtaking
@@ridleyy998 this is the truth. there have been some fantastic races but the season as a whole has been a bit of a let down. hopefully ferrari and mercedes catch up next year. if they dont, I feel like we're going to have another redbull period of domination until the new engine regs come in.
Not to forget, each team trying their hardest to maintain 1 stop here due to high pit stop time loss at the exit phase.
I was so excited for the Sunday race after Qualy... this is what Matt must feel like always being let down by Ferrari
Honestly, having circuits that have different characteristics is what makes the championship more interesting.
Yepp, but you can keep characteristics while still having decent racing, the issue is slow sections before drs detection zones or overtaking opportunities
The easiest solution in my eyes is to make Mexico the very first - or the very last track of a season; try to be as close to winter as possible! :) Cooler air is more dense.
Or more polluted 😬 sad but it would improve downforce
Organizers want the race as close as possible to Día de Muertos.
One of the other reasons why the circuit is so bad is the lack of elevation change. You’d think they would be able to find literally any other part of Mexico City that isn’t completely flat
I think elevation changes are not always necessary though. Look at Silverstone, for example. A flat circuit can be great.
Yeah they should lower the entire city for your pleasure 😂
Mexico City is very flat because most of it was literally a lake that the Aztecs filled with rocks... It's a better idea to try to make a good flat track tbh hahahah
@@Takeiteasy11 You don't understand do you 😂?
@@BankMoviegoer and Monza too
Irony in the track with the highest elevation having no elevation changes in the circuit
The vibes make this track otherwise it would be a dull one like Monaco or France. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Monaco has the great, varied scenery to make up for the dullness, though. The roar of the Mexican crowd when the cars drive through that one part of the stadium is neat, but after a few times it ceases to have much effect and all you're left with is a boring circuit.
3:08 My experience at Singapore GP, watching from Bay Grandstand (Turn 17 & Turn 18). Being able to see the cars for longer time does not provide more joy. It gets boring pretty quick. For me at least. I wish I had picked the stand that can view the cars moving at top speed and then a sharp turn.
Fundamentally, with all the tracks I've raced on in games, the way to get great racing is to have a few consecutive corners before a straight, where you have to get every single one right and with huge reaction times with numerous things you need to do to perfect the sequence. One single screw up destroys the line for the entire sequence, destroying that perfect exit. So 4 complex chances to screw up the exit onto the straight instead of 1 simple chance. That way, every corner counts instead of being able to screw one up but get away with it because you have time to fix your line before the next corner.
I like your lines cuz' I remembered how Prost broke down McLaren supposed dominance with a good race setup for this track.
As a Senna fan, such a demonstration of being turtle during qualifying helped Alain to be the dark horse there. LOL
Really, more corners then straightaways is clue for big show so no more DRS required.
You've "raced " in games. Yeah so much like the real world! LOL
You know a circuit is bad when it makes Monaco look good.
very true lol
Monaco is worse than this. Take the rose tinted glasses off.
Glad someone does love Monaco like me… track is so annoying it’s only a challenge to just stay in the race other than that it’s boring
@@Gbiese monaco Atleast has an element of strategy
Or if Formula E does a better race on this track than F1
Yes these changes are spot on. The angle of the esses also seems not quite right. A bit more highspeed would be cool, stadium is on point with a straighter exit and then maybe make the last corner banked like zandvoort. DRS a bit earlier and then you can overtake on the straight.
Actually the original last corner that bypasses the stadium is banked, the infamous Peraltada but was scuffed due to it being too dangerous
There's something about the esses here that is a bit off, but feels soo satisfying to drive in a sim
The straight is over 1km... you can definitely overtake there currently.
@@chrismdb5686 disagree. The esses of Silverstone and Austin feel amazing to drive. In Mexico city they're kinda frustrating.
@@wontonii232 I'll agree to disagree. They always feel awkward but maybe that's why I enjoy nailing them so much.
moving the DRS line for the main straight before the stadium section can also help out imo, the fact that the stadium spreads the cars out prevents the DRS action on the main straight
That is what they need to do in Barcelona. Have the DRS detection line before the chicane.
Turn 5 was the most interesting part of the circuit and the place where there was the most action shown if I can recall but I agree with the rest. Sadly I don’t feel like they will change the layout since they already did when it was introduced. If you look at Abu Dhabi it took them too many years to fixe the track. I still hope they do because even I like the vibe it’s a boring race.
Some don’t want to admit it but Mexico is a bottom 5 track in F1. Ever since they went back there haven’t been any iconic moments aside from drivers blowing turn 1 and the start from 2018 and 2021. I really hope there’s a fix somewhere because the atmosphere is incredible.
Bottom 3 imo
My favourite track on the simulator lol
Wtf1's perfect track: a rounded square, with four long DRS zones, and four hard braking zones
Oh i know a track that suit that
@@versev0 baku?
So Indianapolis?
@@TheABelGuitarbut with turns like the lesmos at monza.
The track needs a little fix right now... Hopefully the next year. The atmosphere its amazing. Glads for everyones in the channel from Mérida Yucatán México 🏎️🌟✨🇲🇽
Make one big hairpin after DRS Straight 2, before going in to the esses
Am I the only one who thought the race was not that bad? The entire thing was like a race strat chess game for me. Seeing all the strategies getting played out was quite interesting
Yeah but you have a very rare thing these days.. an attention span. Most people can't stay off of their phones for five seconds so an F1 race has to be "over the top" and have crazy action on track to draw their interest away from doom scrolling on their phone or tweeting about how boring the race is. I agree it wasn't that bad, and it was interesting, but for someone with an attention span of a goldfish it will seem boring.
@@bwxmoto After seeing so many "fast contending car with failed race strat" races, I definitely knew to enjoy the race better. There were point where I caught myself calculating pit window and saying "holy shit, daniel is still on soft??"
@@poppygin4807 Yeah it’s definitely a strategy game and that can be entertaining and interesting if you know what’s going on! I also remember very clearly when there were no F1 races for ling stretches of time, and a so-called boring F1 race is so much better than no F1 race. That mariachi band played the F1 theme music was worth the entire watch to me anyways.
It's more the fact that it got quite stale in the first 6 positions. Only those laps with Checo chasing Lewis were remotely interesting. All tyre compounds lasting forever didn't help either.
@@soundscape26 Yea, I can see why people find it boring. I just have came to grip with over-analyzing race strat can bring a bit of enjoyment.
I would argue that the fact all compounds lasted forever really emphasized on grip level strategies. Top 6 really got stale because of their strat/risk evaluation: RB always balls to the walls with race strat, Merc is super conservative for no reason, and Ferrari smooth brain strat.
I think the most important part to why the Mexican GP was bad is because of the altitude. Even with the new cars, they still can’t follow close enough without overheating and having to drop back. I don’t think the layout is much of an issue
What is sad is that some of the suggestions made here about the layout were what the circuit was like before the current layout. The first turn originally was a right hand sweeper, the esses flowed more and had grass or gravel run off and of course the final turn was awesome. Too bad it was changed…😢
The changes look reasonable. Look at Abu Dhabi, a couple of changes dramatically improved the racing.
Me and my uncle were astonished at how good the racing was. We were surprised to see many people felt the opposite tho😂
Wait for Brazil, chaotic every Race 😁
Remember what happened at Imola in '94 at corner Tamburello? Of course we don't need that first chicane removed. Plus it gives great potential for switch-back moves.
Ya know what. They could go full nascar and use the oval section. Fight me if you disagree
Thank You for covering this - Have been saying it since a while - The circuit has great potential but is poorly designed in terms of overtaking opportunities. Fans don’t just watch for the cars to go by - many of the corners are so tight that it’s literally impossible to overtake and a bit of changes to the corners to make them better (wider) will make it easier for overtaking opportunities to take place
Yeah, their formula e race seemed to suffer from the same diseases.
This is not the original design… the 80s one was the best
The only reason this race wasn't that boring for me was because I was watching my home (American) football team's game in the background
Not every race has to be a banger and not everything has to be entertainment. The main thing a circuit needs is character and I do think Mexico (even the layout) counts as a circuit with a lot of character and with it's own unique challenge. With the idea proposed in this video, every track will be about the same
Nah, the Mexican layout is really boring. The only interesting part are the esses, the rest is just sharp corners thst make the tyres overheat, especially if you are following
I totally agree with everything you said, but those changes to produce a better layout circuit would mean a lot of budget to spend and that will not happen, the people completely full out the circuit as it is, most of them do not even go for the race, but for the party croud experience, the ones who go to the circuit and us the ones who watch it from tv deserve a better circuit to enjoy a decent race.
Without changing any of the grand stands T1 would be closer to 70 degrees with turn T2 being a curve that’ll connect to the 2nd straight. And there would be a DRS detection point somewhere after T1. Turns 4 and 5 would remain the same, but T6 would be a curve like the Vietnamese GP had. T12 would be more acute meaning larger braking zone.
I personally think the issue with Mexico is the double DRS zones on the first couple straights that share the same detection point at turn 15 - plenty of overtakes happened, but drivers were breaking the 1 second barrier so easily because they had DRS on one of the longest straights of the calendar, and then another use after turn 1. I do however like the idea of these changes too because the cars look so sluggish around half the track.
First time seeing a Mexico City GP and I totally agree!
I love the fact there is a stadium, but god it was painfully boring to see the cars go so slow in there.
We really went from COTA as a top 3 race of the year to Mexico which was a bottom 3 lol
All changes that should definitely happen. I feel like tracks care too much about having a bunch of hard turns and not enough about making it easy to pass.
First, I was going to bring back Peraltada turn, destroying the stadium and using the free space to get the track away from the wall and have a big enough escape area. The rest is very similar to what is in the video.
I feel like fixing the tracks might be overlooking another problem - how big the cars are. I think we need to consider shrinking the length and width of the cars, so that closer racing is possible. It feels like some tracks aren't equipped to let cars race side by side - if they can't do that, we might as well run a staggered start race, where the goal is to catch the car in front, eliminating them.
Agreed. These cars makes the Mexico track look like a go-kart circuit.
Would it help the racing if it was run counter clockwise instead? You'd get the stadium section at the start of the lap and the long straight for a drag race to the finish line.
starting with a corner won't produce action, actually can cause more chaos and even if we start from the back of the straight (near turn 1) after the first breaking zone there are series of slow and narrow corners therefore difficult to overtake . turn 2 & 3 would act like a barcelona's chicane therefore long straight will be countered.
the track is pretty identical on the both sides of the long straight (even if the turns looks different)
They'd be starting right before a turn that way, and I mean right before it lol.
Great video!
I wonder if the stadium section is slow partly to reduce the risk of bad crashes at the final corner. Given we've seen a few there as it is, they'd probably be more common and worse if cars had faster pace exiting the stadium. If it were possible to have the pit entry later and have a less tight final corner (and more space on the outside) then cars could go faster through the stadium section without risking worse crashes at the final corner. This would allow a more flowing line through the stadium. This section really could be great if they had wide corners that enabled 2 cars to follow different lines to set up a pass down the straight. Even if cars spend less time there, it would be much better viewing if it was anything other than cars just following single-file.
But track should be tough for car aerodynamics. If you remove the chicanes, fast part, slow part in the last sector. You basically have Nascar track. Of course i want to see exciting races, but some of them strategic race. I enjoy to look timing data aswell.
I like the idea of getting rid of the existing turn 2 and 3 chicane and creating another DRS zone. it could only help, especially if the radius of turn 1 is tighten to create a great passing zone.
In terms of changes to the current turns 5 and 6, why not change that section into a true hairpin? A hairpin that is similar to the original turn 6 of the circuit. Look it up. It would be a great option for the circuit because there would be a ton of passing opportunities.
When this layout was revealed I mentioned a similar change to the stadium section turns. It would be much better for the race action.
The only things I'd change is bringing the turn 4-5 chicane a bit further back so there's a slightly longer stretch between turns 5 and 6 and open up that chicane a bit more like the turn 2-3 chicane. The other change is the same as discussed in the video, removing the second awkward kink in the stadium section. It would still be a decent slow section but a lot easier to follow the car in front of you and get within DRS range.
The issue is that the changes were done by FIA regulations. I think the chicane we have after the 1st DRS zone, had been there always since the first layout of the track.
I think if this track was at a lower altitude it would be a lot better… It’s like if you don’t have a huge pace advantage it’s very difficult to get near another car… I mean Checo on mediums couldn’t get near Lewis on the Hards.. it’s like as soon as he got to 1.3 seconds of Lewis he like hit a wall.. and yeah you can say Lewis is better because he is but there should of been enough in that Red Bull to at least take some DRS dives on him …Danny Ric on Softs was able to get by all those drivers on Hards because it was a 1.2 second difference in compounds…
Maybe they should dig down a kilometre and a half to see whether they can get some downforce. Might require the installation of a few lifts or it'll be a bit of a climb back home for the fans afterwards.
Honestly the circuit itself isn't that bad, for racing it's definitely better than Paul Ricard and Barcelona.
The altitude is really the biggest problem, even if you change the track it will still have the same problems.
Alonso said on the grid he would be managing the car from lap 2. As soon as a driver gets within 2 seconds of the car in front they have overheating brakes and engine (not just tyres).
I think the FIA should look into tweaking the technical regs for this track to minimise the pain from overheating and maximise the racing. They could mandate that all teams run the maximum amount of cooling possible on their cars, instead of letting them decide. And mandate that all teams maximise drag so that the slipstream is as strong as possible.
If teams are already running the max, then the FIA should look into either having more aggressive cooling/aero just for this race, or think about moving the GP to a lower altitude location.
Can’t ever call a race the “worst of the season” with Monaco on the calendar. Lmao
Goddamn this may be the earliest I’ve ever been for an upload
Mexican here! i've said since 2015 that F1 regulations damage the autodromo so unnecessarily. Main topic always has been the lost in peraltada as people blamed Foro Sol stadium construction for that when was the lack of runoff area in the outside of the corner. It's the same thing with Parabolica in Monza, both are an flat 180° right corner with no visibility inside but an open area in Monza's case. Add that twisty section inside the stadium was just a creative idea to use that part for the public.
The main problem I see was the lost of the flow in the 2015 layout. Corners 1-3 and 4-6 were turn into a 90° corners instead of a nicely right-left corners due to the requirements in F1 to have a heavy breaking zone to attemp an overtake. Then the esses section (7-11) were a mix of technical corners from low to high speeds and were transformed into a nonesense medium-low-medium weird mix. The stadium section you can adjust it with a single 90° left corner but will no change so much for F1 cars (the same way Champ Car race in 2002-2005).
If someone review Champ Car Mexico race from 2002-2007 will notice how much flow Hermanos Rodríguez circuit had, even with or without peraltada/Foro sol section was a good track for a single seater car. This year Nascar Mexico and Formula E, as some other local racing series have developed a better racing product that F1 and I would love to see how Indycar cars could make it if they race here.
Never has been a circuit with a lot of overtakes (Mansell is 1 in 20 editions) but at least used to be a proper circuit for racing, maybe F1 cars are so wide for this track to have great battles that don't require the long main straight for overtake.
Yeah, as a Mexican, the Mexican GP layout is one of my least favorites. Tilke f*cked the circuit, turning the flowing S's into sharp angle curves. The first chicane, I don't know, it has been that way for decades. I would bring back the hairpin after turn 5 (although that would mean removing a grandstand). As for Foro Sol, there is no salvation, but I would make them go around as Formula E does and make the cars take on the full "peraltada".
Australian F1 track, Albert Park, is 6m above sea level not 700m. It's right next to the beach
I disagree that it was the worst race this season. The top three teams had no real battles, but remember there's 7 other teams. The midfield teams were consistently battling, not to mention Danny Ric's charge, which was incredible.
And about the grandstand section separating the cars, making it faster would be far worse considering the length of the main straight.
It’s not really a bad track, but F1 fans need to stop labelling tracks as boring whenever there’s a full race at one. Spa and Silverstone have had dull races in memory too.
The problem with Mexico is the altitude so less effect on slip streaming. But other than that, the circuit has provided some good racing over the years.
I agree with most of your points here. The circuit definitely needs these kinda changes if it's to help produce better races.
Maybe I didn’t hear it, but the other thing with the altitude is the drivers’ breathing. Sure there’s less air for downforce, but there’s also less air for the drivers.
I agree with EVERYTHING you said, the change in track layout needs to happen, I can't think of a time where we've had a thrilling race there..? Atleast in recent memory, yes its one of the shortest laps on the calendar and with the changes proposed here would make it alot shorter but actually more thrilling..because...this is one of the worst weekends on the calendar normally, I never look forward to Mexico..I never find myself going oh great it's the Mexican GP weekend! Actually I've planned things on these weekends and just caught the highlights later on, something I don't normally do..I won't miss a GP weekend except this one it's always a snoozer after the first lap T1 the excitement is over
I drove the original circuit in grand prix legends. That was an excellent layout in my opinion. The CART layout had a stadium section that wasn't as fiddly and a more flowing 1st chicane. I like the A1 grand prix layout, while it has a very tight chicane and no stadium section, it has the full banked peraltada turn. Though you wouldn't get that spectacular round the outside overtake by Mansell in the ferrari on berger in the McLaren because of the chicane before it, you do get more of a chance to get a good exit and attack into the more flowing 1st chicane and the esses are more challenging and ever increasing in speed from the entrance to the exit onto the back straight.
I want to see more vertically challenging tracks. Think of the corkscrew at Laguna Seca, Raidillon at Spa, Zaandvoort, Imola, or Nurburgring, or much of Monaco. And if you simrace and have tried rally, that'd be the most extreme of challenging corners in all 3 xyz dimensions. Too many F1 tracks are flat or too flat.
I wonder if they went with tire selections on the softer end of the scale (C3, C4, C5) if that would liven up the race. Tires would burn up quicker, more pit stops, higher speeds, etc.
I agree with the change in the stadium section. I'm also sure the reason is so people see them longer, as you pointed out, but it would be good if the cars could prepare a bit "better" for the straight, for overtake. Change in the first chicane, I hadn't thought about it, but I like the idea. I think turn 4 needs to stay as it is for a hard braking point after the second straight. After that, turn 5 I guess could be straightened up a bit. I never liked the old eSes section, I think they reduced the number and the angle when the F1 returned to Mexico after the 80s. Still I think it would be good if they did a couple of changes to make the back straight more interesting for overtake.
The amphitheater section isn't necessarily a problem by itself, it's the location of it right before the long straight. It was mentioned on the broadcast yesterday that all it serves to do is take the cars out of DRS range going down the straight.
Literally was thinking about changing the Stadium section throughout the entire race. Totally agree!
The altitude is the biggest plus in my book
Also I'd change the DRS detection line of the main straight, nobody makes a move at foro sol because the DRS detection is after that part and isn't worth it.
Furthermore it's a single DRS detection point for the 2 straights.
They should absolutely simplify the stadium section
Theyve probably build new infastructure over parts of the old layout but id like to see the old hairpin brought back. Might be good for some divebomb attempts. Would love to see the old peralta added back but not sure how that would work with the stadium and safety concerns
With the drawing of the track and the oval thingy it now occurs to me how similar Monza and Mexico really look
One thing that would help too, is having softer tyres, either the softest in Pirelli’s range or Mexico specific which are one step softer. Being able to do so many ,laps on the sorts, while still sliding around due to lack of grip meant the strategy from the teams just didn’t work. The cars do not have the downforce (either over the body or via the venturi tunnels) for the mid range tyres to actually wear down as quickly as you’d normally get with the larger wings. Maybe Pirelli will learn for next year?
Struggling to think of another race this year where you could one stop soft-medium. Definitely think one step softer for future
I think the stadium section should exist as is as a joker lap, youd have to go through the stadium section once ever 5 laps but normally the cars use the bypass on the oval circuit
high top speeds, lack of air resistance = less effect for DRS and slip stream. The straights appear shorter too when you go down them at 345kph instead of 310.
That's me!!! On minute 3:29 holding schumi and senna 🤣🤣🤣
Lift/Negative-Lift/Downforce comes mostly from the pressure differential between two sides and not as much from the airflow being redirected. That's why the ground effect generation is so powerful. The cars can generate a higher pressure differential than traditional means.
Really like your ideas for track changes. FOM should seriously consider public recommendations and suggestions and leave their bubble sometimes.
Problem #1. The first DRS zone doesn't generate enough overtaking. This is because turn one isn't tight enough.
Problem #2. The second DRS zone doesn't generate enough overtaking. This is because the straight isn't long enough. given the slow exit speed from turn three.
Solution:
I'd shorten the pit straight by introducing a tighter right-left chicane like what we have at Monza. That creates a proper overtaking opportunity into the first turn. I'd then convert the existing turn one-two-three complex into a flat-out double-apex right-hander leading into the DRS zone. This will give the chasing car more momentum going into the DRS zone and with a better run into the braking zone for better overtaking opportunity.
Hey, just a quick note: With the new CZcams design, thumbnails are shown with rounded edges, which leads to your thumbnails looking a bit odd around the corners, maybe you should have a look at that :)
Keep up the great content!
Move the DRS detection to before the stadium section as many people lost the 1 second gap for main straight
I remember when Senna complained that the banking of the "peraltada" was too steep and when it was reduced he flipped his car there, it has always been some dispute over that section of the track, of course cars from 20 years ago were very different but the circuit although has had some changes is basically the same except for the "Foro Sol" section.
So to fix some of the problems I would suggest bringing Mexico City down to a lower altitude and wait for an earthquake to make some elevation changes to the track.
All good points, the worst thing done to this track was destroying the Peraltada.
How about moving the circuit to a lower altitude in Mexico? But then, I guess you were trying to fix the existing circuit with the current location. Sounds like we are looking for a zigzag track with long straights and hard braking (U turn?). Probably something similar to Monza would be better perhaps?
May the FIA and people in charge of the circuit see this and actually take this into consideration 🙏🏼
They should bring back the 80's design.
I always thought that those turn 4-5-6 is very similar to that dreaded former Yas Marina chicane and hairpin. That section should be removed altogether and reprofile like in Abu Dhabi. One solution for that is put a flat-out slight left-hander after the T3 chicane to be able to preserve the length then put a banked medium-speed hairpin to replace T4-5-6. After that, the current T7's angle should also be widened to allow more speed for entry to the esses before the short straight towards the stadium. That for me, I think, would suffice.
I used to have Nigel Mansel F1. It had Mexico on it. I especially liked the parabolica just before the main straight
because it was hard to nail the perfect line for a good exit. I agree about the stadium bit though and even turn's 1&2
would be very interesting. MAXIM: If you can't drive safe, Drive fast !
Your first points invalidate your latter suggestions. If there is less downforce due to air density, then faster corners would most certainly mean higher chances of high-speed accidents at the corners, as has happened before in tracks that have added more chicanes. I get it on the spectacle side of it, but on the safety side it would be doubtful.
unpopular opinion i don't think Mexican GP needs to be fixed, the high altitude track is a unique challenge for f1 cars which is good for innovation the same GP would've been very interesting if a very depended car on a particular set up can get effected by it... this can be a good thing if that car is leading a championship or fighting toe to toe for it
Biggest change I think I’d make is take a formula E style approach to the stadium so cars come in and out the same spot, with a long sweeping corner, maybe with some banking, before exiting back out and then using the oval to finish the lap
I would pick the oval part as the last corner instead of the current chicane. And there you have it, a high-altitude Monza with curved middle section.
Absolutely agreed, Mexico's GP layout need to be fixed. Remove turn 2 and 3, remove turn 5 to connect smoothly from turn 4 to 6... remove turn 10, to connect 9 to 11, and remove 13 and 14 for a better racing experience.
Checo’s dad was so tossed up 🍺 he was willing to say hi to any and everyone. Funny guy.
If you would change the theather to let cars be closer, then have long low drag straight, and then have hard breaking at first corner, it start to hear like automatic overtake without much of resistance.
Most of the changes are nice, but I'd change turns 5 and 6 to become more like turn 3 in Sochi and just reinstate the banked final corner instead of the stadium section
I would chance the tires alocated for the weekend: instead of having c1,c2 and c3 (that turn iut to all work exactly the same) i would have c1, c3 and c5.
Also there should be a 2nd detection drs zone at turn 2 just like at interlagos
I'd alter the Foro Sol section to a single 90-degree turn, with the apex slightly earlier, followed by a straight line into the penultimate corner.
The spectators in that section would still get more than decently long car viewing time. The S/F straight is already long.
Still, I'd also be okay with altering the other slow-speed corners for better lap flow.
Looking at a satellite view of the Mexican GP circuit I think a lot of the problems is the position of the track. By the looks of it it is in a deeply densely packed area with residential and sporting facilities packed in. It is same with the stadium section, there is a 180 degree corner last corner but if you use that you wouldn't have anywhere to spectate. This is just an observation, and I haven't been to a F1 race so I could be totally wrong, but the new tracks just don't have the room around the track to spread the spectators. You look at all the old tracks, or at least most of them, and you can spectate almost anywhere around them. It is because of that that they can modify them to improve safety and just the all around spectacle. Silverstone is a prime example. If you take turns 1-3 for example if you do as Matt said and make it a faster Turn 1 and eliminate Turn 2 and 3 you would have no runoff at Turn 1 as it looks like there are sporting facilities on the outside. As for the altitude, well there is nothing you can do about that. You can't just drop the circuit by a thousand feet. You just have to deal with it.
I think the last corner is the main problem. There needs to be a corner where the drivers can take multiple lines while heading onto the straight
Biggest improvement would be, if you would make the last corner (after the Stadium section) a sharp turn instead of this medium speed corner. Then cars with better tires could get a greater difference at exit grip and so exit speed
I agree with your proposal but differ in one thing I would change the stadium section so that cars can make a u turn inside the stadium section and make the cars take the whole peraltada curv like in the past but safer since they can not take it in top speed. Peraltada is the soul of this track!!. Just as a comment the issue also comes with wider cars and the width of the track was reduce in the curvs and "S" sections in this new era so in the past the reaces in this circuit were not like today.
It's a Tilkedrome with copy and pasted aspects from the other circuits not taking into account they don't work at 2240m above sea level. Give us more elevation changes!
I like the first half of the track up until turn 6 where Danny crashed with Tsunoda. From then on yes, it could use some changes. The first chicane is harmless, the hard breaking point is already there.
And during the race there were a fair amount of switchbacks there. The modification isn't bad, it would be like the back straight in Red Bull Ring, but it's fine how it is too.