The Russell Brand Scandal + The Fixing The Police | Pod Save the UK
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- In the wake of the allegations of rape and sexual assault against Russell Brand, Nish says his behaviour was an open secret, and Brand’s TV work dried up as people refused to work with him. Nish also reveals that there are others still working in the industry about whom production staff will say “oh we don’t send young women into their dressing rooms”. Coco highlights the wider cultural issues that lead to women feeling unsafe in the workplace and also unwilling to report assaults to the police.
Six months on from Dame Louise Casey’s damning report into the Metropolitan Police, we ask what progress has been made? Former Met Superintendent, Leroy Logan, tells Nish and Coco it’s not a case of a few bad apples, but of the “whole barrel’ being rotten. He also has some stinging criticism for Home Secretary Suella Braverman. Despite everything however, he says he’d still encourage his grandchildren to join the force.
You won’t be surprised to find that Nish’s villain of the week is a certain ‘lettuce adjacent’ politician, but you may be surprised by Coco’s hero…Danish artist Jens Haaning. Plus Coco steals Nish’s seat, and Nish poses the question; what’s your favourite Beck album?
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Guest:
Dr Leroy Logan MBE, former Met Police superintendent, and former Chairman of the National Black Police Association.
CHAPTERS:
0:00 Pre-titles
0:36 Coco’s good side
3:48 Sunak’s green retreat
4:51 Starmer and Macron
6:00 Odelay by Beck
6:20 Boris and The Queen
6:33 Wales puts the breaks on
7:20 The Russell Brand Scandal
7:50 Clip from Channel 4’s Dispatches programme
13:08 “There are still people working in comedy who we can’t name”
14:33 Systemic failures
19:14 Conspiracy rhetoric
23:56 Ad break
25:06 Dame Louise Casey review - 6 months on
25:37 Clip of Louise Casey
27:29 Guest: LEROY LOGAN, former Met superintendent and author
28:00 Clip from Red, White and Blue (BBC1)
33:01 Suella Braverman is a dangerous person
35:25 White supremacy in the police
41:00 Is Sir Mark Rowley fit for the job?
52:23 Sarah Everard protest
53:20 Child Q scandal
56:10 Hero of the week: Jens Haaning
58:35 Villain of the week: Liz Truss
01:00:00 The PSUK mailbag
Useful links:
In the UK, Rape Crisis offers support for rape and sexual abuse on 0808 802 9999 in England and Wales, 0808 801 0302 in Scotland, or 0800 0246 991 in Northern Ireland.
In the US, Rainn offers support on 800-656-4673.
In Australia, support is available at 1800Respect (1800 737 732).
Other international helplines can be found at ibiblio.org/rcip/internl.html
Leroy Logan’s charity: www.voyageyouth.com/
Video credits:
Russell Brand: In Plain Sight: Dispatches (Channel 4/Hardcash Productions)
Red, White and Blue (Small Axe Films Ltd/BBC)
BBC News
Image credits:
Associated Press
Jack Hill
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To quote Greg Davies, "Nish is an absolute dreamboat." Or to quote my friend Jess, "He's handsome and funny and yes thank you please."
I was literally like "as a fellow 6, I would."
'If you can't be safe working around young women, you should be sacked' A simple and effective message to predators that there are consequences that THEY are accountable for. On Brand's slide to the right, my feeling, based on what Nish said about English comedians no longer wanting to work with him, is that self-interest took him there. Money, power and a support structure that won't care if he abuses women, as long as he sells the latest conspiracy theory. Snake Oil Salesman.
They knew what he was doing everybody knew what he was doing it's only when he wasn't making money for them anymore and his politics became unpopular with the establishment that they attacked him they wouldn't have done it if he was still popular. The Establishment protects its own doesn't give a rat's ass about protecting children
It's also easier to do podcasting on the right, vague sweeping suggestions and accusations and not seriously questioning batshit guests is less taxing than doing research.
Wow! You're really not seeing the bigger picture that's going on here.
@@humansareus123 Enlighten me.
First I’m in the U.K. I am not right wing. Brands reporting, that it was government coffers that funded vaccine development, which the companies suggested would be not for profit and then made HUGE profits because of the pandemic, is factual. To point out that multi global pharmaceutical companies are making squillions based on your money (via government) isn’t snake oil.
I knew the "one bad apple" thing would come up in the policing discussion. Your guest was right to say the barrel is rotten, that's the point. The whole saying, which hardly anyone ever completes when they're busy trying to deploy it as an excuse, is: One bad apple *spoils the whole barrel*. In other words, if bad behaviour is left unchecked it DOES ruin the whole organisation!
The likes of Cressida Dick don't realise what they are actually saying when they half use this phrase.
I was listening to this on spotify yesterday and thought the exact same thing when he said it.
Exactly! Whether is starts with one rotten apple or a bad barrell, the result is the same. It still spreads. You have to actually look for the rot and root it out.
Nish's point wrt Russel Brand is spot on. We should not be shocked that a powerful man with the capacity to silence critics does so. We should ask why ANYONE has the power to silence criticism to this degree. Everyone knew something of Brand's misdeeds, some was reported on in other countries, but nobody could get it out there because he had lawyers ready to sue.
Absolutely, why do the left media (supported by Pharma) have this much power to silence their critics on vaccine?
Interested to know why he's not suing these newspapers He refused to comment to the press when offered right to reply, so he’s silencing himself.
Remind me who is silencing who?
@frankie.m.pepper6974 he's silenced himself refused to comment to the press when offered right to reply, so he’s silencing himself
Why doesn't he reply via mainstream media?
Answer, he wants to use his created cult members.
So they predictably have been repeatedly told the government want to silence him.
All ready and primed to do as they are now.
He's a multi millionaire.
thank you Nish for your candid response and feminist position about the systemic problem that frankly is still present in many industries and companies. We need every supporter, every conversation, every uncomfortable question, every no from men. Thanks for this!
Well said. I was really impressed by the discussion of Brand and the system that enabled it.
The leftist woke clown are trying their best to silence free speakers.
Brand is a big fish, like Saville sized, that's why right wing propaganda agents like Tucker, Elon, and Walsh are rushing to defend him
I've got a strong hunch he stayed at Trump's BFF's Island too, and uses techniques used for brainwashing straight out of the Scientology handbook
get a real life
Being shocked at the Russell Brand allegations is equivalent to being shocked at the Louis CK allegations: it's literally the only thing the man talked about on stage for 30 years.
@@therealnervanaI can promise you that LITERALLY nobody other than you gives a fuck.
@@therealnervanaI suggest you do the same. The word has literally been used to mean figuratively for almost as long as the word has been attested in writing (16th century first attestation, 18th century first positively identifiable attestation of semantic inversion to "figuratively"). Words can have more than one meaning, often in direct opposition to each other - they're called autoantonyms or "Janus words" (from the two-faced Roman deity of doorways and transitions), and include myriad examples, such as Latinate "sanction" and "inflammable" as well as contemporary colloquialisms "bad" and "sick."
Language is a living thing reflective of a series of neurons and synapses organized inside people's heads, which changes from brain to brain. It is not a book or a pedantic lecture devised and created by a self-important "grammarian" to be imposed and enforced upon the masses.
@@mygenericusernamei love this debate, am i weird?
@@therealnervanaHis mouth was an open sewer
Thankyou Nish, very powerful comments about Brand and the failures that allow these people to continue to carry on their behaviour.
Hahaha keep crying.
Thank you so much for covering the Russell Brand allegations, hearing that a complaint was met with a letter from Brand’s lawyers must have been terrifying for that person. The abuse of power and systemic failures are soul crushing. Thank you for your understanding ❤ signed all women.
Not all women! Everyone has a right to defend allegations
@@TheDot with 900 signatures on a letter to stop predators protected within the industry.
We have a big problem for men and women
@@TheDot Ya absolutely, where she was expecting blank check, that would have been non terrifying or rather exciting.
Not all women! Don't speak on my behalf.
@@Elena-hz9nh if you complained about abuse and were sent a threatening legal letter.
You'd be happy with that?
Thanks for covering the Russel Brand stuff. It scares me just how many people still seem willing to defend him. I have to assume they're from the US and never grew up seeing this guy behave the way he did off and on air.
Or it's like Tate, where the celeb has created a cult of personality through the pushing of nonsense and a general distrust of mainstream media.
It's cultists defending their leader
Probably both @@AndrewMcColl. I've just seen so many immediately jumping to doubt the claims for fear of false accusations. As if a fear of false accusation could be somehow more important than the potential sex pest going around unchallenged. Like, they see 4 independent allegations and immediately err on the side of doubt almost by instinct.
@@AndrewMcColl like Trump.
Anti-vax Morons on social media defending Brand to the death -you gotta’ laugh..
Your honesty about Russell Brand was amazing, especially after hearing so many repeat the narrative he's fed them for years as they defend him. The industry protected him , as they have done before with celebrity predators. Keeping young girls away from his dressing room was just a sticking plaster that made them feel they were "doing tbeir bit", but what about the young girls/women that would encounter him outside of "his dressing room" , who was protecting them. Ths rest of the show was great, fabulous guest .. 👍
Fantastic conversation in this one!
"The two genders are 'fit' and 'not fit'..." 🤣Well, it's very simple then: you're both fit 😊
Two ? I'm OHVIRA...then there's intersex...all of which exists naturally in the animal world.
@@fay5479I think it was meant to be a bit of sarcasm towards the far right people and at the same time a bit of a dig at himself. Sarcasm addressing the people that say that their pronouns are words that aren't pronouns. Lol
@@marywood8794 hope so 🙂
ONLY YES IS YES...the absence of a negative is not a positive, yet most of the justice system has depended on it. A drugged person can't say NO, an unconscious person can't say NO, and very scared and intimidated person can't say NO. Consent is a happy YES !!!
I agree we need to educate what consent IS.
The law needs to take this way more seriously, in the Sarah Everard case the perp had "flashed" two weeks earlier. Consent needs to be raised to 18 like the rest of the developed countries....I can't imagine as a middle aged women to feel attracted to a 16 year old child. It angers me more and more as I suffered CSA .
@@Herestothe80s 🥰 thank you x
@@Herestothe80s I want equal pay for women and men, for the same job/work...
I want legal abortion, in fact I want abortion to stop being a political weapon, it's a very private medical procedure full stop 🛑
I want capitalism to be questioned deeply, pyramid schemes are SCAMS.
We don have indefinite resources or live in an infinite world... capitalism can never be egalitarian or fair...it's anti democratic...it's also economic competition ...financial WAR...
Sorry Coco, but the right side if definitely better for Nish. After some extensive research (aka checking Wikipedia) I found that both of Nish's appearances on Have I Got News For You were on the left (Ian's team) and resulted in losses. Meanwhile, 11 of his 14 appearances on Mock the Week were on the right (the 'guest' team) and all were wins for that team. I neglected to check Never Mind the Buzzcocks, but I doubt the results would have changed the outcome.
More important than that are the QI and 8OOTCDC statistics. Do the numbers change when he's riding the blue whale or had a pint with a tiger?
@@mygenericusername that's a good point. Assuming QI lists their guests from left to right, he's won (or tied for first with Phil) more often on the right.
For 8OOTC, all three appearances were on the right with two wins and a loss.
Finally, for 8OOTCDO he has one appearance each side, and both were wins for the right (Jon's team).
So it looks like the right is still his best side.
As an American I feel better that it isn't just our police with major issues though I feel bad for the UK. The reality is isn't just the colonialist mindset it's that bullies are given positions of power.
Also I always found Russell Brand horrid. Just another insecure narcissist with control issues.
Haha. Trying so hard to shut down Russel and his free speaking. Keep crying
@@MW92. I didn't mention Brand at all. But you do you boo.
Can I please push back on this idea that we need to increase education on consent. I've worked in education for several years. We teach consent all the time. We've reached a point where children are anxious to hug each other because they're too worried about consent.
Sexual abusers know perfectly well that they don't have consent. That's exactly what they want. To give the middle finger to your consent. Thats precisely why its abusive. They know full well that they shouldn't be doing it.
Rape and sexual abuse are not conducted as a result of poor quality knowledge, poor quality understanding or forgetfulness about how consent laws work. Sexually abusive people absolutely know that their behaviour is wrong. That's precisely why it excites them.
Rape is NOT the consequence of poor education.
🤯 incredible that Nish's friend predicted Brand's tactics a year ago. It's encouraging that we recognise the cynicism of his strategy so readily. (also cool to hear Nish read my whatsapp, feel a little starstruck 🤩)
The law around disclosure of these things need to change 🙏🏻 it’s disgusting how he’s cloaked himself in a mask of standing up to power and he himself is the abuser.
Thank you both! I just found the podcast, and I am so grateful to hear the care with which these topics were addressed. Also, having watched Nish for years, the maturity that he has gained is heartening, especially as an ally.
Many thanks from the States!
A great episode. The discussion about Brand is really valuable, especially about how tolerated this kind of behaviour seems to be in the industry. While accusations are not convictions, when a company (or the like) feels the need to have policies in place, like not allowing young women alone into someones dressing room - questions need to be asked about why that person was/is still allowed to work there.
Also great hearing from Logan and that he still has hope, if political will acts to make significant changes, even as dire as it seems to be now.
Nish! Here is me letting you know in the most polite way possible ... your floofy hair is just glorious!! 10 outta 10, sir!
I'm not Russell Brand fan, but Nish condemning a man based on hearsay is disgusting. We have due process. What if I said I heard some dodgy rumours about Nish. Is that OK?
I have nothing but dread and fear of the future. Love from the US and keep it up.
Just found you today and listened to you while making soup (boring old leek and potato sorry Nish). Having always voted and believed it being necessary as a woman I became more aware the older I got. However, how deeply ignorant I was became apparent when I finally managed to drag myself back into education at the age of 43 in 2013 after being written off during my school life. In 2015 I eventually started my undergraduate BA snd critical thinking blew my mind needless to say I became aware of nuances in education, business, health, society and politics that had completely passed over me previously. This resulted in more hope and hopelessness than ever. How mainstream media rather than being the fourth state has become the equivalent to 18th century coffeehouses for generating societal norms which is increasing the equity gaps in society. Such as the dialogue during covid of victim scaping “undeserving poor” to “underlying issues” lead me to further disengagement from politics and mainstream media. Yet the student in me wanted to still participate and critically assess politics, this has resulted in me searching out independent news outlets that are still credible and balanced. You have been added to my growing list and will be looking forward to your future debates. Sorry for the terribly drawn out comment basically, I’m saying thanks I really enjoyed listening and will be in the future too.
Thanks Kersty
I am so glad to have come across this channel. I love your guest, he was so easy to listen to. I must think about something on my mind and whether I could get this channel's advice. (I noted the email address, thank you.) I don't know who to go to for help but what I have seen is haunting me. Thanks for popping up on my feed. 👍
I watched novaramedia's live coverage of the Russell Brand situation and it brought out the grape apologists and just hardcore Brand fans. I hadn't seen mods delete stuff that fast since I last watched a msm live debate. This resistance to the discussion and effort to shut it down by his defenders is both fascinating and horrifying. To learn it was such an open secret and that the buck kept getting passed as the red flags kept coming up and victim count continued to grow, smh. But it took just a few jokes to essentially blackball him, yet also sweep it under the rug? That's a take I'm going to have to wrap my head around.
*loving the autumn lewk Ms. Khan, the edit makes it so your corner is hard to spot unless that 2 shot comes up, you're gorgeous, be where you want?
//This resistance to the discussion and effort to shut it down by his defenders// That's a very good way of putting it and I hadn't thought of it that way before. They are the ones accusing others of shutting down conversations but that's exactly what they do by piling on and overwhelming the comments.
@@dogblessamerica it's confounding. Love the username, 'In Fido We Trust' 😉
I thought I needed a break from the nonstop onslaught of politics and BS problems here in the US. I’m both comforted and distressed that this was more of the same but with a British accent. However, I appreciate a respite from 24/7 Trump news so thank you for that bit of sanctuary. I’ve always felt that Russell Brand was creepy. I appreciate Coco’s comments and I hope that justice is served in this case. So, much love from across the pond. Keep up the great work.
Russell Brand has been accused of abusive behaviour and rape by multiple women. He reckons it's a stitch up because of his anti-establishment views, but many are far from convinced of his innocence, especially given his widely-reported misogynistic behaviour at the time of these alleged offences.
I'm not going to give my personal opinion here, because it's not particularly important. If he's done what he's accused of it would be completely unsurprising given what he's already publicly admitted to, but it's also important to remember that asserting allegations as fact is actually defamation, until they're actually proven.
What I'm more interested in is the absurdly hypocritical reaction of the British establishment class and the media.
Tory Prime Minister Rishi Sunak took time off from ruining the country to describe the allegations against Brand as "serious and concerning".
If Sunak's actually so "concerned" about sexual impropriety, perhaps he'd care to publicly name the Tory MP who was arrested for rape in May 2022, and has been passed to stand again as a Tory candidate in the next election?
The anonymous Tory MP that Sunak refuses to name isn't the only danger in the Tory ranks either, because the Tory party has a long and sickening track record of not just covering for their deviant MPs, but actually using knowledge of their scandalous behaviour to blackmail them into toeing the party line (remember the "Tory Sex Pest" list that Theresa May's whips used to bully Tory MPs into doing what they were told?).
The Labour opposition also waded into the controversy with obnoxious aggro-centrist loudmouth Jess Phillips calling the accusations "harrowing" and saying that they make it seem like "makes it look like society accepts that women have to tolerate a certain amount of abuse".
Perhaps these would be fair points if they weren't coming from a senior figure in Starmer's Labour Party which has given the party whip back to the drunk, abusive sexual harasser Neil Coyle; which hides the identity of an alleged sexual assaulter actually serving in Starmer's shadow cabinet; and which vindictively targeted local Hackney Labour members for raising questions about child safeguarding issues after one of their Labour right darlings down there was arrested for paedophilia.
Sometimes allegations are serious and harrowing, other times they're trivial and unimportant, apparently depending entirely on whether or not the perpetrator is part of Jess Phillips' Labour right faction.
It's no surprise that the entitled Westminster political class are a rotten bunch of hypocrites when it comes to allegations of sexual abuse, but it's just as bad when you look elsewhere.
The Metropolitan Police tried to get in on the scandal by asking victims to come forward and make statements, but this is the same force that brutally smashed a women's protest after one of their officers (nicknamed "the rapist" by his colleagues) kidnapped, raped, and killed a woman.
There are currently 143 Met Police officers under investigation for domestic abuse, of these 121 are still working as cops!
1,600 allegations of sexual assault and domestic violence over the last ten years; strip-searching of teenage girls; sharing of misogynistic abuse and pictures of female murder victims in vile WhatsApp chats; serial rapists in the Metropolitan Police ranks; and absolutely pathetic rates of rape conviction ...
Is it any wonder that women don't have faith in police services like the Met when it comes to rape and sexual abuse?
Then there's the UK media, with right-wing outlets like the Daily Mail, The S*n, The Times, and GB News leading the charge, all of which have employed Dan Wootton who stands accused of sickening sex crimes, catfishing, and blackmail.
Their outrage would be a touch more believable if they were equally furious, rather than completely silent, when one of their own is accused of being a sex abusing monster wouldn't it?
And then there's the Guardian, which has run numerous outraged articles about Russell Brand, whilst conveniently forgetting to mention the 137 columns and blog posts they paid him to write between 2006 and 2015.
It's also interesting how they've completely failed to draw the obvious parallels between Brand's alleged behaviour and that of Nick Cohen who was nicknamed "the octopus" in the Guardian offices for the frequency of his groping.
It's funny how Brand gets both barrels from the Guardian, but their mate Nick Cohen gets the benefit of the doubt when he claims that he was too drunk to remember whether he's sexually assaulted numerous junior female colleagues or not!
It's only thanks to the brave persistence of Lucy Siegle that Cohen was ever dropped by the Guardian, after literally decades of senior execs turning blind eyes to all the women who spoke out about the horrific behaviour of one of their star columnists.
The allegations against Brand are extremely serious, and his efforts to get in front of the scandal by conspiracising that they're politically motivated hardly do him any favours, but it's telling that the organisations that are making the most outraged noises about Russell Brand have all got lamentable track records when it comes to dealing with sexual misconduct in their own ranks.
Whether or not Brand is guilty of what he's accused of, it's impossible to ignore the stench of hypocrisy from the Westminster establishment cabal, the Metropolitan Police, and Britain's rancid media outlets.
Note one woman who the daily mail wrote in terms of Brand came out and accused the newspaper of writing rubbish!
Thank you for the serious and thoughtful discussion of Russell Brand case.
At this point they are ‘accusers’ not ‘victims’. Very clear describing himself as Sis so is aware of the clarity of his language.
Thank-you Pod Save Uk. Refreshing & honest commentary on the inequality of power in societies
Nish is a definite 8 on that side and Coco is beautiful from all angles anyhow. so win win.
Great points made here.
Well done Nish. Also that was an excellent interview.
Trail by media and or the public isnt law... due process or we have no law.
Has Brand been in court yet ?
I take it from these comments that he’s been found GUILTY.
Where can I read about the trial ?
Thank you
I really enjoyed listening to your podcast Food for Thought...thank you🤔🤟🏾🤨🤟🏾😍
SOOOO Gooood! I always like your episodes, and this is no exception. Loved the interview! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Y'all talking about Russell Brand, made me think about how awful the situation is. He couldn't get any work in the UK because of his alleged abuse, so he ran to the loving arms of American conspiracy theorists. Smh
Lol you woke fools are trying so hard to demonise and silence Russel. Go cry more
"radical hope" ❤ my new favourite expression
Well Brexit was the most idiotic thing that has happened in the UK sense King George III refused to give the colonies any representation in the parliament. And TBH Brexit is slightly more idiotic than that.
So you're saying that everything R Brand says is woo woo conspiracy theory? Don't think so myself.
Not defending Brand's behaviour but the really hard question is why the deafening silence from legacy media over the Wootton catfishing allegations? Why are they picking and choosing? And why the hell did the Met not investigate the prince Andrew allegations? No righteous indignation from alternative media over those points.
To me the obvious double standard is very telling
Thanks!
This time Nish has really the lost the plot and needs to be called out. Beck's "Odelay" is hands down Beck's album. "Devil's Haircut", "Where It's At", I think "New Pollution" is on that one too. No, I never dated Coco; and I've never bought anyone a Beck album as a gift. But I do have two turntables and a microphone.
this was an incredible discussion about Brand. Thanks so much.
Death on The Nile was in 2022? What was Branagh thinking about? That cast had a number of problematic actors.
You're both on my good side. If all news were presented with such good humor and intelligence...!
Great episode!
Great podcast and conversations covered
I believe all women, all the time, no matter what they say.
It certainly doesn't help when the UK's libel and defamation laws are completely backwards... you have a system that protects rich people... I guess having a monarchy is a virtue.... I guess
I agree with Leroy on everything he says apart from his view that Beaverman doesn't realise the impact of her views. She realises and she knows. She says nothing by accident. She's racist. That's it.
First time viewer, lefty from New Zealand, great show. Have been following the Russell Brand story, you have both explained it very well.
@Herestothe80syou sure about that and the operative word is allegations. There is not just one allegation, there are many and all of these women cannot be lying. Brand saw this coming and that combined with Hollywood dropping him bc they had got so many complaints about his behaviour, is why he started a right wing podcast where he pushed a lot of whacky conspiracy theories. He is a major manipulator, he knew he could get a lot of suckers opps, I mean followers to support him. He wasn’t even an A lister or even funny or even good looking, he’s an unattractive man with a speech impediment, a b lister at best.
@Herestothe80s you sure about that? The operative word is allegations, there has been at least 4, at last count. Many sexual assaults are not reported bc these women become the targets. Brand started his right wing podcast bc he saw this coming after Hollywood dropped him bc of his disgusting behaviour and he knew he could suck a lot of gullible people in to support with right wing whacky conspiracy theories mixed with a drop of truth ( big pharma).
@Herestothe80s too many accusations against him to ignore.
@Herestothe80s to your first sentence yea, I do know that. Some of those women that he admitted to sleeping with have alleged it was not consensual and have actually said they were sexually assaulted. I believe them bc to come out and say that against a rich guy or celebrity is very hard bc the victims get vilified. I don’t know what the number is now but I know it’s too many to ignore. Many more sexual assaults go unreported bc of the drama women have to go through when they report a sexual assault. Some come out only after others have reported being assaulted by a predator, they now know they are not alone. No doubt everything will be investigated thoroughly. I think he knew this was coming, the reason why he turned to right wing podcasting to amass many gullible followers and of course Hollywood had turned against him bc of all the complaints they got about him. He’d got away with it for many years and used his admitted promiscuity as a cover. I have no problem with people’s sex lives so long as it’s all consensual.
@Herestothe80s ok I didn’t need to know your sexual history, gross, too much information. There is no law against womanising but there is one against sexual assault. When a women comes out and accuses a perpetrator she is the one that is vilified so very few sexual assaults are reported bc they are ones that get held under the microscope. Like I said it’s going to be fully investigated and a court of law is not going to take any notice of what I think and apparently all of his supporters that he has managed to accrue by going right wing either. Btw in the Heard/Depp case I was team Depp. Having a mother with all the traits of narcissistic personality disorder, I can recognise it. Heard is a narcissist and Depp most likely has cpstd bc of his abusive mother who he forgave. Depp only had one accuser, Heard and his previous partner came out in support of Depp. Brand is a narcissist too, as is Trump an actual convicted sexual predator.
Awe Nish, you're daddy af from either side. 💜
“The barrel is rotten.” 💯
Back in South Africa my family got home-invaded: a gang of dudes with knives tied us up and robbed the place. When the police arrived to question us they made sure to have at least 1 cop of each of the 3 major racial groups (Black, White, and Mixed Race). These cops then took it in turns to ask whether the attackers were . The white guy asked if they were white. The black guy asked if they were black and the lady of more diverse heritage asked if they had, perhaps, been the same. It was an extremely clumsy, very person-intensive method of communicating to us that it really wasn't a race thing. They actually just needed to know what the guys looked like if they were ever going to have a chance of catching them.
I cannot tell you how happy I am that this allegation has surfaced. For about a year now I've been hearing that Katherine Ryan and Sara Pascoe knew an open secret about a sexual assaulter in comedy but they couldn't say who because he would sue them. I am so relieved it's none of the comedians I enjoy! It's not a surprise it's Brand. He's told us as much in his act! But we have to figure out a way that wealthy assaulters cannot hide behind lawyers. There should be no "open secrets". Good guys like Nish shouldn't feel they can't name an abuser simply because he has the money to pay lawyers. I don't know what law we have to change to make that possible. No criminal should be able to evade justice just because they can pay lawyers. See: Trump not being in jail yet.
The culture of open secrets is deeply engrained in the entertainment industry. Everybody who knew Harvey Weinstein knew who he was, and Bill Cosby allegations had been swirling for years by the time an offhand comment in a stray cellphone video broke the dam. And that comment was just for the audience to Google, "Bill Cosby, sexual assault." A lot of this condoning "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" behavior isn't confined to the entertainment industry, but pervades the wider culture overall. People still rabidly defend Michael Jackson and tar any accusations as slanderous, and did the same for Jimmy Savile when his story broke. I highly recommend you go into the archives for the Wikipedia talk page for Jimmy Savile as an enlightening time capsule. You'll see people suggesting inclusion of allegations against him well before he died, and others completely dismissing the reporting from 2011 in exactly the same manner as you'd expect.
Ah, I think you need to relisten. If you think Russell Brand is 'it' and the only one, and none of your favourites are abusers, maybe think again. Ryan hasn't commented on Brand, and even if he was one that she mentioned, Nish (and the docu) clearly says there are others that are 'open secrets'...13:06...you seemed to have missed all that?
23:23 The Brand story pisses me off. That we still have a permissive support system for behavior like his is infuriating. That we’ve had a resurgence of acceptance for misogynistic culture is mind boggling.
With guys like Brand, Cosby, Weinstein, and countless others the common thread is always money and power. The support system is composed of people inside of Brand’s celebrity micro economy who themselves earn a living as long as the Brands of the world are earning. It is not in their financial best interest to go rogue and become whistleblowers. So until the insiders are financially rewarded for doing the right thing, that won’t change.
This money/power support system happens with celebs. It happens in politics (Trump grabbing crotches, etc etc). It happens in corporations where the top salesman earns so much revenue (and bonuses for his chain of bosses) that he gets away with shitty behavior of all kinds. It happens with regular Joes who are the breadwinners of the family.
I’m glad Me Too has brought awareness and action to this issue but, man, we have a long way to go.
> This has been openly discussed in the comedy circuit for the last five years
> How was this allowed to go on for so long?
Yeah that's a real mystery.
Are you aware of any other rapists working in the industry right now?
As a fellow 6, You're looking just fine today Nish 👍
Absolutely this conversation has to go way beyond RB and seeing this as simply an issue for media and celebrity or a man who had access due to his fame etc.There are many many women who could report very similar incidences to those described in the documentary,sadly they are not that rare.Most women have some bad expereince around consent at least once in their life and often more.
This has to be discussed more broadly and how we confront general misogyny widespread thorughout society,the stuff I have seen online has been disturbing but not surprising as I think in many ways it is just as bad as in the 90's 00's and its only becayse of such things as Metoo that more women feel emboldened to cme forward and even recognise what is sexual assault or #ape.
We need to talk about consent consent consent and I think schools are letting down young people by not doing more about relationships,sex and consent and communication and self esteem and dealing with online influences etc.
But we also must talk about the millions of women swallowing daily anti-baby-pills which destroy their libido. This causes massive problems to men, who then end up searching left and right woman who are still horny. This pill wrecked havoc to women’s natural sexuality and it actually interferes with the process of the genders arranging with each other in a natural way.
I did do a double take with the switched seats! Looks as excellent as the other way - which I hasten to qualify was very excellent indeed.
Russell Brand always gave me creep vibes, and I’ve got a darn good creepmeter. Though I’m always sorry to have that validated.
Good to see that there’s been at least some consequences for him. I think every industry has a culture of women quietly warning each other about the problematic people in their workplace, simply because there’s such a tradition of not outing these people publicly. When victims (regardless of age or gender) speak up it often costs their jobs, destroys their careers, and makes them a target for the blind supporters of the abuser.
It’s awful to hear how bad the UK police is. Perhaps not as bad as the US, but that’s hardly a compliment. Actually addressing and overturning institutionalised bad behaviour is massively difficult but so vital. I’d love to see mental health intervention in particular taken away from law enforcement. Just recently a lady died (Australia) during a welfare check. And our police really aren’t that bad, comparatively.
I also like vintage Beck, I had 3 albums of his that I listened to a ton, I'm pretty sure Odelay was the one I listened to the least, I don't think it's a consistent album like Vultures (where every track is incredible), or Gold for that matter (Nightmare Hippie Girl is such a jam).
I think in this age and day there shouldn't be space for people who can't be around young women, yet we enable abusers instead of punishing them in a great many cases.
If more help was given to old home insulation and passive heat exchanges, it would significantly decrease energy needs to warm or cool homes. It isn’t the only solution, but it would help.
Hi. What happens to all the police officers who are dismissed from the force for misconduct?
They'll look for alternative employment and work in other places, with other people. Will those other people be safe? Does the behaviour and mindset change once they're no longer police officers? 🤔
My new-found favourite x
The cold remedy that Nish mentions is possibly 'Chukku Kaapi' from Kerala. I cannot obviously give medical proof but it does seem to help me everytime I feel cold or cough creeping in.
I'm in Australia. A mate of mine is a senior officer in a Police service that has begun to make the effort to be responsible across their role. This description, by itself, immediately removes some State's from contention - we have a serious problem, an historical problem, with Police behaviour in Australia. And I'm saying this as a white man, the First Nations experience is horrendous, still. But can I thank you for the inclusion of Dr Logan in this episode. It's tremendously important for the fabric of our respective societies that we see the Police as us and the Police see us as them - Cheers.
COCO, YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL! However, the sexiest thing about you is you. Everything about you is amazing, and I am so glad that PSA has brought you and Nish into my life. I love the podcast and appreciate your commitment to helping us here in America understand that the world is much bigger than we're allowed to believe. Thank you, Coco, for being a Goddess! ( Nish, you are adorable, too.)
Fabulous edition of the show - Leroy Logan made more sense of policing in London in this one interview than a million Cressida Dicks or Cruella Braverman's ever could. Do you think he could be convinced to return to Scotland Yard as the new boss?!
Hey team, I listen to you on Spotify while I'm at at work. It's not fair to talk about how gorgeous you are and not have the video component on Spotify...could you please add it?
Love the show. Xo
1. NEVER trust a junky.
2. ABOLISH COPS NOW.
Can Nish please share his favorite rasam recipe, thanks!
I think I love Former Met Superintendent, Leroy Logan. What a man. I love his heart and brain. I wish every cop was like him. 😎#PodSaveTheUk
Hold on, I’m just going to need to pause this for a quick Odelay hit.
You both look lovely.
A study I saw that had people reporting their own behavior indicated that it's not that there's tons and tons of SAers out there, it's not a huge percentage of men doing this, it's that there's a spare minority of men who THINK all men behave like this, and those men are prolific SAers. That's still way too many men to ever indignantly say "not all men", but it's few enough that it does matter that men say "not all men" to each other.
Sounds about right. Do you have more info about the study like the title or the authors? I'd like to read it
Hiding her face? Must be legit
I would describe Brand's political perspective as exposing the undue influence of corporate interests on governments bodies : i. e. The FDA funding being largely funded by large pharmaceutical corps. Traditionally, this has always been a leftist perspective. He also advocates on behalf of the disenfranchised, such as the criminalisation of people with substance abuse issues and the social cleansing of the working class areas of inner cities - another traditional leftist position, you would have thought.
Although, like the liberal left, there is support for marginalised communities such as the transgender community from the traditional left, there is an increasing level of resentment from working class people that they are becoming marginalised. Russel Brand is one of the few public voices that speaks to this community, without using the scapegoat tactics of the altright.
what did Nish do to his hand?
Another informative and entertaining show thanks! It seems like a gender & diversity quota in government as well as business and policing would really help these issues.
Lol.
So Nish knew about it but did nothing?
Not only that, he also said he knows of other similar cases for other people he refuses to name.
does anyone know of any other comedians that are rumoured to be creeps?
Nish, you're fine.
Among other important issues, Nish lays down facts: Midnite Vultures is the superior Beck album. Though I’d argue that, if we’re including soundtracks, his work on the Scott Pilgrim soundtrack is legendary; Sex Bo-bomb are fucking tight.
My favourite Beck album is Sea Change but I'd never claim it is his best as that is subjective.
Sea Change has some good stuff on it. I just think Midnite Vultures hit that timelessness that is so rare at the turn of the century, and I still hear it used in stuff and think “Goddamn, that album’s still got it, huh?”
I do not think recruiting is all about pay and so on. I thinks 'good' people who could or want to be in the police see a legal system as focused on the wrong things. For example drugs, this should be a health issue and not a criminal issue, leading to the end of mass 'dealers', if prescribing and mental health treatment was taken over by health syastems. Would lead to a reduction in many offences, such as stealing, and so on. More focus could then go towards actual crimes those that threaten lives, anti social behaviour, rape and so on.
Odelay is my favourite Beck album
This is actually my first time watching/listening to the podcast (better late than never!), and I apologise for my first comment being so banal and surface-level and about a woman's appearance... but I actually think this is a great seating arrangement - purely because it looks like you tend to tuck your hair behind your left ear Coco, so when the camera's pointing more from your left, this angle means we get to see more of your face! And this is a good thing - you both have nice faces 😊 (and Nish, your hair arrangement is largely more symmetrical and doesn't obscure/reveal more of your face depending on which side you sit, so I think you should both keep these seats!) ☺
That's enough from me - back to watching the actual podcast 😂
The magic kiss of the mainstream media🍄
There's no need for a degree in the UK to become a cop? You need a bachelor level degree in policing in Finland.
it's funny how collectively we will look at the distant past (50s-90s) and wonder how people could be so cruel and ignorant, how they could excuse/permit the worst things imaginable, and yet we continue to BE in those times, it's all just been a massive, slow turning gear of progressivism, but the heart of intolerance and villainy hasn't gone anywhere really.
Maddie @19:17 Spot On with what you said.
Sea change, morning phase, mutations, mellow gold… think im a fan? We should all give beck for Christmas.
Y'all are BOTH fantastically, wonderfully attractive -- no matter which corner of the banquette you sit in! And we want a recipe for the soup -- rassam?
I find it mad the standards that apply in some circles, but not in others.
Take wrestling. Hear me out.
Marty Scurll - One of the biggest indie stars, on the cusp of signing for one of the biggest promotions and making his national television debut, he slept with an intoxicated 16 year old fan. What happened? Immediately blacklisted from all promotions globally. Only a few tiny, desperate companies have booked him for a one-off appearances in places like Puerto Rico and Poland. His career is done. Likely permanently.
But a major broadcasting personality or a politician, and the accountability and blowback is LESS?! Craziness.
He didn’t sleep with a 16 year old he RAPED a 16 year old.
An intoxicated person legally (not just morally) is incapable of consent so by definition he RAPED her. He should be in prison serving a lengthy sentence for his crime (and of course to, keep the public safe) where he wouldn’t be working at all … being black listed from a few gigs isn’t fitting punishment. If he’s a rapist he should be in jail, however if these opportunities have been taken away from him based on rumour and gossip that is entirely unfair! No one should be able to ruin a person career based on word AND no one who rapes should be free to walk the streets 😉
I have so much admiration for Nish taking a brave public stand for the superiority of Midnight Vultures.
I AM FROM THE US - LOVED HIM IN HIS MOVIES -TOTALLY BELIEVED THE ALLEGATIONS AT ONCE - HE HAS NO RESPECT FOR WOMEN'S BODIES EVEN IN FRONT OF CAMERAS
Just leave Russell alone. Innocent until proven guilty.
You are a #Sicko. He's #Guilty - everyone KNOWS he's #Guilty.
Eeeee I like this pod, even if it does smell a little middle-class. I used to listen to Brand's stuff about a year ago, some of the pod interviews he did were actually quite good and his views on the American government and BIG Pharma are bang-on but listening to you two today I felt poked fun at in a veiled middle-class way.
I kept listening hoping that you were just trying to condemn his behaviour, as we all should, might I add! Then out of the abyss comes an advert for tax avoidance in America, less than 30 seconds after you made it a negative that Brand was focussed on America whilst living in England lol
I reckon the later stuff with the ex-police officer is better, if you didn't carry on listening. I definitely get the criticism of middle class feeling, I hope they continue to bring on a diversity of guests from different backgrounds and experiences.
@@caitlinquinn79 I expected to be attacked left right and center.....But you make a great observation, thank you.
The culture of policing in the US and the UK sounds so similar. The guest said it well, regarding the 'bad apple' argument. When the whole bowl is rotten, everything that comes out is going to have a better chance at bringing the rot into the world.