Piers Morgan Furiously Debates Russell Brand Allegations With Ava Santina
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- čas přidán 18. 09. 2023
- Piers Morgan delivers a monologue giving his take on the allegations made against comedian and CZcamsr Russell Brand, stating that although the accusations are "shocking" people shouldn't presume he is guilty without a proper investigation.
Piers is then joined by comedian Samantha Pressdee, who says she was once involved with Brand and saw no evidence of him being a predator, and TalkTV contributors Ava Santina and Esther Krakue, to debate presumption of guilt and whether accusers should remain anonymous.
Russell Brand released the following statement on his channel:
"Now, this isn't the usual type of video we make on this channel where we critique, attack and undermine the news in all its corruption because in this story, I am the news. I've received two extremely disturbing letters or a letter and an email. One from a mainstream media TV company, one from a newspaper listing a litany of extremely egregious and aggressive attacks, as well as some pretty stupid stuff like community festival should be stopped, that I shouldn't be able to attack mainstream media narratives on this channel. But amidst this litany of astonishing rather baroque attacks, often very serious allegations that I absolutely refute.
"These allegations pertain to the time when I was working in the mainstream, when I was in the newspapers all the time, when I was in the movies. And as I've written about extensively in my books, I was very, very promiscuous. Now, during that time of promiscuity, the relationships I had were absolutely always consensual. I was always transparent about that.
"Then almost too transparent, and I'm being transparent about it now as well. And to see that transparency metastasized into something criminal that I absolutely deny makes me question, is there another agenda at play? Particularly when we've seen coordinated media attacks before, like with Joe Rogan, when he dared to take a medicine that the mainstream media didn't approve of, and we saw a spate of headlines from media outlets across the world using the same language. "
"I'm aware that you guys have been saying in the comments for a while, watch out, Russell. They're coming from you. You're getting too close to the truth. Russell Brand did not kill himself. I know that a year ago there was a spate of articles.
"Russell Brand’s a conspiracy theorist, Russell Brand’s right wing. I'm aware of news media making phone calls, sending letters to people I know for ages and ages. It's being clear to me, or at least it feels to me like there's a serious and concerted agenda to control these kind of spaces and these kind of voices. And I mean, my voice along with your voice. I don't mind them using my books and my standout to talk about my promiscuous consensual conduct in the past.
"What I seriously refute are these very, very serious criminal allegations. Also, it's worth mentioning that there are witnesses whose evidence directly contradicts the narrative that these two mainstream media outlets are trying to construct, apparently, in what seems to me to be a coordinated attack.
"Now, I don't wanna get into this any further because of the serious nature of the allegations, but I feel like I'm being attacked and plainly they're working very closely together. We are obviously going to look into this matter 'cause it's very, very serious. In the meantime, I want you to stay close, stay awake, but more important than any of that, if you can, please stay free."
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I think we have enough evidence here to accuse Ava of idiocy.
Call her a racist and she will be caught at her own game
Then it's decided. She must be an idiot cause someone accused her of being one. Q.E.D.
Great comment!
I bet she's tremendous fun in a relationship too, when you have to sign 'Coitus Permission' forms in triplicate to make sure she doesn't go to the press in ten years time to report a spontaneous consensual encounter as assault because she's bitter about the fact that she's been living alone with her cats ever since you left due to her unbearable personality.
She probably thinks most men are Beasts!
The fact that this has all been handled through the media and not the police tells me everything I need to know.
good point, fact is brand is innocent until proven innocent period
Except 1% of rapistsare convicted in a court of law. He allegedly threatened to sue the girl in America who he allegedly sexually assaulted.
@@patrickgodin5778you meant innocent till proven guilty
@@emtaylor597you can't sue anyone and win without proof. Defeats the argument
One of them did go to the police the same day
“Your opinion sucks on this”. Wow, what an intelligent and articulate young lady.
As a rape survivor….. I have compassion for the women. But if we aren’t pointing women to report, nothing will change.
But there are millions, yes, I said it, millions of women who will accuse a man of rape simply because she is angry or regretful, and it’s simply not fair
Firstly, I am so sorry to hear your story. It truly is a horrific crime. I really respect that you still see things in a balanced way though. As you say, the reality is that some stories will be true, and others not so. That's just the way it is. I absolutley believe that anyone claiming they have been raped or abused should be treated with kindness, dignity and empathy, but just flat our believing everyone by default seems like madness to me. I dated a narcarsist, and until meeting her I had no idea just how manipulative people can be! Fortunatley she never accused me of anything, but she lied about a lot and when I found things out I couldn't believe how easily she had deceived me. I hope you're healing from your terrible ordeal and sending my love to you and your family xXx
I agree with you, my ex fiance was ploting to frame me with raping her after i break up with her because she cheated on me, if i didn't haved evidence about her ploting it with ger friend i would get jail time for atleast 7 years
"Not fair" is a bit light use of wording, but yeah
It's hard to turn immediately into action when you are traumatized or a minor and don't know how to process what happened to you.. hence why accusers often come out later.. and by then they know nothing will be done to bring justice
Predators often prey on the young and vulnerable for this reason.. they know they will be easy victims
Ppl are saying to report but it's not as simple as that..
Journalists are not judges , they have an agenda .
Yes, Me too movement and Women's rights over men's rights.
So do judges.
@@juliestanfield8433 In a blue pill bubble, you.
And Ava has an agenda to be the dumbest broad in existence
@aboutthemetal8783 So well said, thank you so much
It’s fair the women remain anonymous, but the accused should remain anonymous until proven guilty in a court of law. Simple.
Exactly
They have been saying this for years and because the false accusers love playing with the victim card, they don't change it.
This was attempted with Huw Edwards , if you remember. The name was withheld, causing the whole country to speculate, often wrongly, who it was.
It should be anon and with normal people it usually is...but with celebs it doesn't work. One of the drawbacks of fame.
False accusations ruin many mens lives and the liars pay no price and in fact are rewarded for it. $$ Shameful
I agree but then Saville would never have got caught. Because you only get people to come forward if you publicize it. They should just assume he is innocent but say he is being investigated. For a public figure I think that;s fair
Well played to the 2 women who actually have talked sense throughout, Ava you need to have a word with yourself
Ava strikes me as a dangerous woman. She'd be the type to take something innocent that someone had said or done and turn it in a way to stab them in the back to get them fired or worse. Avoid avoid avoid.
She’s a totally toxic thing! Why oh why is she on tv ?
Ava is ridiculous. Already made up her mind about Russell's guilt. Irresponsible reporting.
Just like you made up your mind about Brand
i edge to him being innocent but there has to be a police investigation
shes always against men and always belives the accusers thank god shes not a judge or police and just a lousy journalist
She hates men
@@georginabryan4772Just like you have
Miraculous how "4 different women, none of whom apparently knew each other" after many years all decided to share their allegations with journalists at the same time.
I never really believed in miracles until these allegations started. Unbelievable!
yep its absurd. They searched for them obviously.
Well said....
Precisely!
Its not about Russell's politics' nah course not.
It couldn't be a targeted media attack because he's not going along whith the "narrative"
Have we forgot about Andrew Tate already? Turns out he done nothing wrong and was targeted by the media
Being shouted over isn't a conversation, it's bullying.
Exactly. 3 against 1 in a hand-picked line-up, isn't a discussion.
“Your opinion sucks” doesn’t make for a very intellectual debate either though. Ava came into this conversation with her mind already made up
I've lost all faith in mainstream journalists after the covid pandemic reporting
It took you that long! 😳🤣
perhaps because of the lies you were told to get the jib?@@skygazer6898
I've lost faith in the media, the government, big tech, big pharma, big business, NATO, NASA, Hollywood, Sports Associations, the Church, etc. Is their anyone left we can trust.
@skygazer6898 I guess you should have got vaccinated then!
@@wkadalie we can trust each other and fight back.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty .
let the police do their investigation...
Innocent UNLESS proven guilty. There is a difference. One implies guilt just hasn't been found yet.
Presumed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. You missed out the word "presumed".
So if you have irefuteable evidence that a person committed a crime(s) you would still claim they are Innocent right up to the point of saying in court of law 'They have been found guilty'
You can't possible say it in advance and just presume innocence no matter what? How if that any different than presuming Guilt with no evidence whatsoever?
Al Capone argument of "You've got nothing on me" much?
He's not even in court so I don't know what you're talking about. An accusation has been made, he has denied it. More details are to come I am sure.
"Why have you come on a programme to defend someone you don't know..."
There in lies the problem.
It's not the person she's defending, it's the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty,' which is greater than any individual.
I've been a feminist for 50+ years, a recovering alcoholic for 40 years. When drinking, I went through periods of extreme promiscuity and sexual experimentation. I was "date raped". And I am mystified by these claims against Brand being labelled "shocking" or even "serious". When high, I'm not at all surprised someone with Brand's publicly admitted background would be accused of sexual misconduct. But I also feel the women who got themselves in a position to feel sexually overwhelmed or taken advantage of are either very naive or simply dishonest. Men are expected to be aggressive. Did these women think they were having a relationship with him? Why were they in a position to be sexual intimate with him? There's usually a lot of lead up to these kinds of accusations and women need to be responsible for allowing sexual behavior in the first place with someone they barely know. Women need to be stronger and more grown up or even just exhibit common sense. Don't get into a sexual situation with a celebrity who is high. It doesn't take a lot of wisdom to realize that if you don't set your own limits, it's to be expected that men will take advantage of your weakness. It doesn't make them a rapist or justify legal action. I just don't get why people are over reacting to these claims.
Russell Brand is inocent until proven guilty by a court of law not by the media.
The media needs CANCELLING!!!. They THINK they are JUDGES!!!
Can we believe Brands own texts?? Because it is something his defenders are ignoring he apologizes profusely and when a woman says he raped her says you are nothing but a lovely person im so sorry. So would you Pierce and anyone call a woman who FALSELY accused you of rape nothing but a lovely person?? WOULD YOU? Later this woman on THAT DAY visited a rape crisis center and herself tested etc. Answer me this ..would YOU call someone who accused YOU of rape a lovely person? Would you apologize to them??
@silverkitty2503 then they need to go to the police not a journalist 10 yrs later. Why would you sit silent and allow this to happen to other women ?? That makes you an accessory to the crime. You stood by and did nothing. Brand deserves his day in court and if found guilty he deserves whatever punishment he gets and damned be the women who allowed him to run free and harm other women. Good looking out for your sisters.
Defending a grown ass man having a sexual relationship with a 16 year old child makes you look as horrible as Brand is. In my country it is called pedophilia.
@@susanelrawi7080 Susan, if you knew anything at all about victimology and the trauma of sexual assault, you would know that it is commonplace that individuals do not report for several years after the attack. You - and others like you, who know nothing at all about these matters - imply that a delay in reporting signifies deception, whereas all the research and case studies point to late reporting being a signifier of trauma.
Ava is irrational. You cannot reason with her. Innocent until proven guilty is not a concept she understands
It’s called ignorance in its purest form
someone needs to tell her that not all men are rapists
one or two are not 😄
Unless it's a woman
Ava is dangerous and pure evil
Yes and am sure she would change her view rather quickly if she herself was accused all she is is a Hypocritical clown
The lady in the middle -- is insane.
She's there because she's pretty, and she makes good tv.
But she's insane.
I worked as a teacher at Visitacion Valley Middle School in the early 2010's which was and probably still is the most underprivileged middle school in San Francisco. The school had a meditation program that was developed by our principal at the time who was an incredible person and had recently received the US middle school principal of the year award. Russel came to the school more than once to help promote the very unique meditation program at this school. He was a completely selfless guy that had a huge impact on the kids at this school. He even sat and watched a middle school basketball game on campus. With many slandering him currently I’d just like to say that I walked away from my interactions with him thinking he was a great human.
There should be a 5 year prison sentence for false accusers.
They should actually get the exact sentence that is appropriate for the crimes they accuse someone of.
@@Stribbo55 Exactly!!!!
i totaly agree . iv been accused myself as she did it for attention and has done it many more times since to other men and although the police know she is lieing they still have to investigate the men but nothing has ever happened to her for lieing not even a telling off
@@gumpysee3644or more appropriately life in prison.
I was accused by an ex girlfriend of beating her. No evidence, no witnesses, nothing. Just did it to cover her tracks for cheating on me.Massive liar and fantasist. She now works as a judge...
The blonde has already convicted him!! Utter joke, doesn’t even acknowledge women could possibly be vindictive and false accusers
Well she thinks men can be and women and children can be animals ,that just shows you her deluded mentality
yep, she doesn´t know the definition of allegations or doesn´t care. She just wants to convict him so she probably doesn´t care.
Seeing the expressions on her face was very comical.
spot on
And she is very likley the type who would herself.
She's a man hater, we can see why she can't get along with a man or most other women
Ava has comiited financial fraud. Now, she must prove her innocence, according to her logic
Did they forget about jonny depp being accused of horrendous acts , later proven innocent and at the same time amber walking out of this with no remorse and jail time.
If you go to the MEDIA rather than the POLICE, anonymity should not be on the table at all. You want to be anonymous go to the POLICE. You want MEDIA coverage, say who you are.
That's men's ENTIRE argument! We all know is BS when you run to the media, especially when the accused is part of it and talking against the media. I've never been a Russell Brand fan by any stretch at all, but when did "free and independent media" become the abortrator of the legal system. They should absolutely make known who these accusers are if they seek any credibility!
I don't even want to go into you tube and his management dropping him! It's absolutely ridiculous at how the left and the progressives have weaponized our institutions and social media platforms against humanity! This makes all women look terrible, I don't know how women keep voting these people it's astounding!
Controversial opinion here.
If Russel brand is actually guilty with evidence (DNA, Video camera evidence) fine jail and take his name through the mud like the BBC.
However, if it’s not guilty and this is a smear campaign by the BBC or former “lovers” or partners etc. I want those people smeared and sent to jail.
Halfwit
I half agree - but you often need a lot of people to come forward. Let's say the allegations are real - then you get a ton of fans automatically shouting you down. Ultimately the courts will decide the truth of the allegations and I know journalists say they have seen texts from Brand confirming at least some of what they say. Yes they could be still be lying and misrepresenting - so it is true that Brand should be assumed innocent until proven otherwise
It's always a dumb idea cause of random people with pitchforks unless u already have similar wealth and fame anyway, but even then it would be silly, random people can be the most insane of all
If these allegations are proven to be false, these women should get a maximum jail sentence.
And the media who talked them into it. And the corrupt governments that bribed the media to do it.
👍
Defamation is a civil matter, not a criminal one. If they file a police report that is proven to be false, they could be arrested and convicted of filing a false report, a misdemeanor. What they are doing is only criminal if they get the police involved.
then if the allegations are proven to be true he should get a maximum jail sentence
It’s more like a complaint than a crime,they all willingly met him and did things with him knowing exactly the type of guy he is. It’s definitely a hit job,funny how the media loved him a during his heyday and now he’s exposing their lies and government lies they’ve dug up a few girls out of a thousand. Kim iverson has a great breakdown of this .
The demons have learned they can destroy a person from accusations alone.
listen to the person with experience, not to the person with beliefs and what ifs.
What's more interesting is that its been years and we still don't have the Epstein list and the media is silent.
If the name Clinton is ever involved, nothing ever comes of it. No matter how much evidence there is.
I wanted to say the same....
same duckers going after him are the ones on that list actually
😂😂😂
That because the list include royals and elitist nonces , and murderers.
Calling Ava a journalist is like calling fred west a nanny
I thought she was a racoon in the bins!
Haha
😂😂
Bet she’s jealous that Russell never gave her a second look!
She is just an angry, post-wall misandrist.
If his name is made public then why don’t they make these women names public, that way we can research 20 years of things they have said publicly or on social media
My biggest concern about this trial by media is that those who interviewed Brand's alleged victims had an agenda. How much did the questioning lead the women to say what the newspaper and TV channel wanted them to say?
This happened with Depp. When it turned out to be Amber Heard, all the accusers and Celebs, just vanished. No apologies....nothing.
Russell is one creepy dude. Innocent until proven guilty. Johnny Depp was one cool dude who was found totally innocent.
If Russell's proven innocent, the accusers should go to jail.
I know right! Once they stick that label on someone, it's almost impossible to get off. So not fair...
Can he sue for defamation ? Can’t imagine he’ll get much but at least teach these liars a lesson.
And if he isn't?
Anyone who in bad faith try’s to ruin you in court or your life should be publicly listed on their record. False accusations and lied to the public. And for people like ceos and governmental people should step down, resign, or apologize to him and everyone in public, and pay him for sabotaging his life & career and wasting everyone’s time.
It’s to common and treated like the norm.
No one is proven innocent , they ARE innocent until proven guilty, I believe that is the whole point of the video, he has been assumed guilty .
Why didn't the alleged victims report the matter to the police? We do not need (or want) trial by media.
FOR ONCE MORGAN IS BEING A JOURNALIST..
The lady in the middle would rather twenty innocent men go to jail than one guilty man go free. I've never been this disgusted by a human being in my entire life.
So you think Biden is great?
shes disgusting 🤢
100% she’s not bothered at all!
I don't think this is true at all. She accepted Piers initial statement that blind "belief" isn't required, but respect and dignity. She is also acknowledging the fucked up police system that women who have just been through a life changing trauma do not want to put themselves through. She also acknowledged that naming victims puts them under even more duress and there's a significant financial inequality when one is accusing a celebrity.
She is absolutely vile and clueless and dangerous. She should keep her mouth shut and educate herself. 🤦🏾♀️
I hope Ava Santina gets falsely accused of a crime. Maybe then she'll understand the importance of due process and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
Yep pretty sure most would rather be raped than be falsy accused of something like this but white girl double standards rule society.
she's one of "them" so it wouldn't matter. she could rape toddlers and it wouldn't even make the news.
The law has presumed innocence until proven guilty. He's not in jail, is he? That concept has nothing to do with whether randomers believe he's guilty or not.
@@Feellikealady99 nobody has said he is. But there is a real willing to believe he is guilty before due process has been followed here. if he's done what he's been accused of he should of course face the consequences, but only after this has been properly investigated and tried in court based on facts.
Not just because of a TV show and some accusations. Many people have already made up their minds and his life has been hugely affected so saying it's just what some randomers believe here isn't true. Piers listed at the start already book deal shelved, tour postponed, dropped by management with most likely more to come and lots of abuse as well.
@@25johnlowe there isn't s 'real willingness' to believe he is guilty. There are far more people online commenting that he is innocent than guilty. Organisations are being prudent and pausing their associations with him due to the seriousness and plausibility of the accusations. If he's eventually found innocent, they'll be apologetic and amenable to him it's all plain and sensible and measured. The idea he's being vilified by everyone is bollox, there is a clear split. Spotify haven't removed content, for example. Why are people trying to push the notion he's being vilified by all? THAT is more the agenda.
People saying we're stupid to trust the mainstream media unquestioningly, need to consider why they are unquestioningly believing Brand. Its the lack of thinking part that is the problem, not who any individual believes. He had an army of unthinking people backing him up, ironically calling others idiots for blindly trusting the press, rather than what? Blindly trusting him? The self-confessed sex addict who was predatory and inappropriate loudly and publicly and revelled in it, even commenting on how he couldn't believe what he could get away with so long as money was being made out of him?
Russell is a comedian and an actor. I've seen over the years of his career with his looks and flirtatious nature, people have kind of created a "Brand" for his public character as being a very flirtatious Casanova, which he plays up when ever the camera is on and does well. As any performer would. I have no doubt he's different when the camera's are off. Personaly I think the sad thing is, with all this crap that we can't say or do anything without the fear being shot down or persecuted, it's no wonder most men are nervous to even say or do anything. A very sad world we live in.
It is funny how these "victims" just speak out when the supposed abuser starts talking against the system and the so called matrix !!
Journalism has become a personal weapon against whomever you disagree with.
It's always been a weapon against the human race
Yes i agree !
Lol "become" you’ve never heard of a guy called Rupert Murdoch uh?
more weirdos drinking Russell's paranoia kool aid
Is that why you all sound like astroturfing bots defending a member of the deep state?
Ava is what's wrong with people today. Criminal matters don't get judged on feelings, they get judged on facts.
Humans are feeling creatures. Facts are for scientists.
You're being driven by feelings, not facts here. You're taking a position influenced by your opinion of her, not by the accusations, as provided, in detail, by the accusers in the articles & Dispatches programme.
@@symmo1969exactly accusations not confirmed crimes .regardless innocent until proven guilty.
@@silvergirl2847 that literally only applies to a legal/criminal scenario.
A not guilty verdict, is not a verdict of innocence.
The jury is driven to determine on the basis of assumption of innocence, until guilt is proven.
Innocence is frequently impossible to prove.
Innocence assumed until proven guilty has no place within the public realm.
You can choose to believe him, or believe them, you hold no power other than to take a side. You cannot criminalise someone, you cannot remove any rights from someone, because you do not wield such power.
What you can do, is choose to no longer be friends or a fan of that someone. Nothing wrong with that, people do it all the time.
@@symmo1969 and a guilty verdict doesn't mean the person is guilty
The same thing happened to Alex Salmond, Scotland's former First Minister! He was fitted up on 13 charges, including 2 of attempted rape. They were ALL thrown out, and the two women bringing the most serious charges were found to have committed perjury, yet ALL the women still to this day retain their anonymity. Even after he was cleared, his successor at the head of the Scottish government continued to call his reputation into question, when she was the one who had orchestrated the whole thing in the first place!
I think we should have a law that any "victim" must first go to the police before going to newspapers and if they want to speak to these papers first then they must also keep the person they are alleging to doing raping anonymous too. Going to newspapers to allege something series like this shows there is probably a sinister thing going on.
Yes Ava, the key word is *allegation* God forbid this fanatical woman ever sits on a jury.
God forbid she ever speaks into my ears again surely, what a racket she makes!
Pure spite and fantasy as well, she's versed in nonsensology.
yep, she has him hanged already
“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Appeals to populism are the basis of Authoritarian Communism KKKomrade
You're merely pretending your feelings are the goalposts, which is what Russel did when he raped those girls
It's called Gaslighting, aka Grooming. Accusation in a mirror (AiM), mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, or mirror argument is a hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one's adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting.
*>>Gaslighting is a psychological term used to describe* the process of *grooming* someone into believing that they are losing it or going crazy. *Gaslighting a child is perhaps the most egregious form of child abuse, sometimes called Crazy Making.
*In the context of child sexual abuse (CSA) the **_gaslighting_** is often used to convince the victim all the abusive behaviours are fine, normal and an expression of “love” (for eg Patriotism, Christianity, Service). It is used to ensure the victim doesn’t speak out about it and doesn’t fight back. It can also be used in concert with other **_grooming_** tactics like fear and isolation. Ultimately the aim is to legitimise a worldview that is detached from reality, and therefore arbitrary. Now they can call evil good and good evil*
*>>Trivializing:* *The victim’s feels are made to feel like they don’t matter, are **_unfounded_** or they are weak for thinking so.* (woke/ lib/ groomer/ infidel etc)
*>>Countering: This is quintessential gaslighting.* *They **_directly counter the memories and perceptions of the victim._*
*>>Repetitive Questions: The abusive partner makes the victim doubt what they think or feel by asking the same question multiple times.* Questions are asked so many times the victim doubts their own answers.
*>>Diverting: The abuser diverts the subject and puts the blame into outside circumstances.*
*>>No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity* is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to *protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample* by trying to _exclude the counterexample_ improperly.
This is the Core of White Supremacist ideology.
*"What Others Say" (Appeal to populism)*
The abuser tells the victim what other people "think" about the victim, the abuser and/or the situation on whole. Also known as an appeal to populism, the basis of Authoritarian Communism, and Cults.
"if many believe it then it must be true" (regardless whether people actually agree with the position and whether it is true or not). Bolshevism itself means "the Majority" and is no different to Fascist appeals to a "moral majority" when in truth they account for a mere 13% of the population. Mocking is also an appeal to populism, that's why Comedy can be a form of Propaganda, by establishing a collective baseline that targets an "other".
All these tactics are employed to make a False Claim Fallacy: the *reliance of a premise on prior unsupported or unstated assumptions that turn out to be false*
A false assumption occurs whenever the truth of a premise depends on some necessary condition which is merely stipulated or *assumed to be present when it is not in fact present at all*
This is all right wing propaganda, without exception
George Orwell
Exactly. I'm glad those women have spoken up about Brand.
Could this Ava be a misandrist by chance?
Nice to see that two of the women can actually think logically, where the third one is only emotionally thinking.
I was working in my pub, and one of the regulars asked me what I thought of this whole situation as a woman. And I just said "I don't think his name should have ever been put in the media without an actual conviction." If it was taken to police and ignored, which does happen, then I would kinda understand. But there wasn't a report filed either back then when it allegedly happened or before the media was alerted about it. It's a slippery slope to have someone's name announced to the public for a crime as serious as rape without any sort of evidence or court filing.
As a woman I am disgusted with these accusers of Russell. If these allegations are true, their SILENCE over the decades DIDN'T help other women. To come out now is for one reason only , it's to ruin a man's life , career, reputation & family.
100%
and get paid for it?
You weren't in the position they were in, easy to say.
We have to wait and see how the evidence plays out. I will be disappointed if so. But we cannot just assume all four women are lying! That is not the way it goes! Over 90% of women do not go to the police because the police often time do not listen! And sometimes women take many years before they tell anyone!
Absolutely. 99.9% that these are just bribed prostitutes. Let's remember the story of the hotel maid and IMF director Dominique Strauss-Kahn. The same handwriting, the same methods, but in the end it turned out that the maid lied to the court. But before that, Dominique Strauss-Kahn lost his career and political future. The person was simply removed from the road by order.
It's a bit suspicious that it was the press that actually went looking for the story. They approached the women, the women didn't go to them...
Exactly...
And out of thousands of women who allegedly slept with him, they only found a tiny handful who were prepared to make accusations. I don't know if he's guilty or not, but this all stinks of a deliberate campaign to shut him down, rather than a search for justice. Be interesting to see if any charges are brought or stick, but the damage will already have been done.
And did you notice that the two women who made the accusations both work in the mainstream media.
Your past will catch up to you no matter how much you change
Or they did
First of all, all of the accusers are anonymous. Second of all, the woman in the recorded interview was a hired actress by the news organization and not the actual source called victim. And last but not least, as a former female police officer in the Atlanta area who responded to several rape reports it saddens me to say that over five years only one complainant turned out to be telling the truth. The remainder of the complainants turned out to be women scorned. That’s just my experience and as a woman it truly saddened me.
I just find it funny one minute nobody has an issue with him yet as soon as he comes out and says something some people don't like then suddenly they go after him, what stopped these females from going to the police when it happened instead of waiting years and then saying something.
As soon as he went against the establishment he was suddenly a monster!! we need to stand up against this madness!!
Reminds me of Trump
I said the same thing!😊😊
over 4000 females have been warned by S. WALES POLICE that if they persist in their lies they will be charged !
Russell tells the truth about big pharma and the powers that be, then these allegations suddenly hit the mainstream media? How many times have we seen this happen in recent years? Russell put his cards on the table for all to see ten years ago about his sex addiction and him needing professional help. These women would have jumped on the bandwagon way back then. This is a hit job plain and simple!
What is worse is that if he hadn't started with his youtube videos in trying to find the truth, the media could not care a dime for all those women. CZcams you are sick.
I appreciate, admire and respect your professionalism and impartiality on all topics Mr. Morgan. This particular subject will require the best of you in order for justice to be delivered. Hate to see the innocent be downtrodden. I know well how it feels.
Esther was 100% on point here. "Journalists" like Ava are a huge problem with the way we receive news nowadays
Agreed. She was very objective was she?
Ah, she's a journalist. That explains her self-absorbed righteousness. In a 'profession' where Narcissism seems to be part of the job description, she certainly stands out.
Piers was also right. It was forensic journalism by Ronan Farrow which brought down Harvey Weinstein.
I think Russel brand was having a better time than ester 😢😢
@@janewilkin1984wtf does that inane remark mean?
People continually disappoint me. I’ve served on a jury. It was horrifying how people were ready to jail someone not on the basis of weighing the evidence, but simply because they didn’t like the defendant. We used to lead the World with our democracy and legal system. What we have become is appalling.
over 4000 females have been warned by S. WALES POLICE that if they persist in their lies they will be charged !
We're on the verge of becoming a technocracy.
Saw that first hand myself also person was innocent but fellow jury were like looks guilty as hell they love themselves nearly got put away put was innocent
it's always been exactly the same - lying abusers in control - while Piers is 100 percent correct in his opinion of this subject...
Your legal system has always been a bad joke mate.
As far as I am concerned if the accusers can remain anonymous then also the accused SHOULD be allowed to be anonymous until proven guilty.
They did this same BS to UK Clifford Richards singer who was found innocent. The media accused him of so much all lies. He sued and won.
Ava is a typical example of why you should never trust a journalist to be impartial.
She should not be on any panel! This is the person who said all men and boys should be frightened of women!! She’s toxic
Ava is an example of why people shouldn't be judged by media, people like her, are triggered with their own agenda and has already convicted Russell
She's evil she is a disgusting human being. This is probably another Amber Heard scenario. In my opinion, humanity is disgusting in 2023, and a meteorite is needed to cleanse us from this filth. Brand is obviously innocent, but a lot in the world now can not handle a little fun, sad world
her takes are so whack every single interview. idk why they give her so much airtime. imo she represents the closed minded, blinded by their own agenda delusional population.
And you know what? Back in Russell’s wild days, you can bet she would’ve lined up to be wooed by him.
Absolutely 100% !!@@EyeGodZA
and you see nothing wrong with his behavior and what he said? are you aware that Daniel Sloss confirmed his recurrent behavior ? or that he lost all of his jobs because of his behavior ?
Who appointed journalists judges??
As a 35 yr old woman, Ava is not someone i would wanna be friends with. She can be very cruel when it comes to judging others esp men based on no proof. Shes dangerously full of hatred against men.
Sadly this has become a mental virus amongst young western girls and it’s causing them worst harm than men. They have to live with their unfounded hate in their bodies which destroys them like poison
You learnt all that by watching this video? I'm impressed.
I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with her, she'd probably drive me mad
I agree i have seen enough of her in debates to know i really really dont like her. She is not balanced in any of her views. She appears to be all for women at one point but then on the other she agrees that men can be in womens spaces. I find her spiteful and vile
Russel called her ugly
I knew a young boy who killed himself due to lies that he raped someone!!....He didn't!!! ....Absolutely disgusting they name the Accused before being found guilty/not guilty!!!
poor boy... it happens a lot if the tuth be known
We had a case in our family, girl made accusation had the male arrested but wouldn't sign her police statement or be examined, almost ruined many lives turned out she had a history of making false accusations 😢
100% agree with the 3 sane people here. The idiot in the middle should pray she wont ever be accused in anything horrific that could potentially destroy her life.
Love watching Ava make a complete fool of herself
Ava resorts to insults every time because her arguments are so weak. And she's very happy to talk over other panelists but hates it when it's done to her.
A major lefty trait!
It sickens me that something so pretty can be so toxic.....
She is just a very vile thing.
@@bluenose7984She is so far up her own arse she is blinded. Allegations
I hope he sues her for everything she owns
@@ArnoldSwarezShe's also a horrible person. I personally don't know her but I'm a woman so you should believe everything I say.
This is outrageous he is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Lol what? No, he's not. He did it. He's guilty. Innocent until proven guilty only applies in the judicial system. Court of public opinion has never adhered to that and never will.
over 4000 females have been warned by S. WALES POLICE that if they persist in their lies they will be charged !
"he is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law."
fair point, but when it comes to women's allegations of assault and rape from men, the percent of false reports (from FBI statistics in the US) is around 2-5%. that's false reports. meaning...that about 95% of women who accuse a man of rape or sexual assault, are RIGHT. i'm not saying brand is a rapist...yet. but the odds are not in his favor.
@porter9494 Do you realise how dangerous it is to punish without a fait trial? This is an attack on us all if we subscribe to this.
Well done Esther, brave and intelligent!!
If he is innocent and is proven to be, they should be receiving life in prison.
Shocking to see this being debated without any proof. Witch hunt springs to mind.
Look up @That Umbrella Guy he’s covering the case and has some Awesome videos showing it’s BS!
Nope, not 'witch hunt' - DISTRACTION!
tbh i know he had a bad past so anything is possible, but we all have pasts some rougher than others, he could of done it but if you don’t have the evidence to convict the murderer he’ll walk, if you don’t have the evidence for rape you’ll walk, i’ve been assaulted numerous times and have never done anything, it happens
@@HGCUPCAKESI don't even need to watch it. He doesn't have access to the evidence - phone texts etc.. Why would he even bother No one knows at the moment.
The timing is very suspicious, at best. 🤔
Forgetting the fact that he had just started speaking out about the truth of certain things in our society. This is the reason they chose now to bring him down. This is strictly an effort to silence a truther.
He didn't just start speaking the truth, he literally did a show called 'Trews' (True News) a decade ago. The reason they are going after him now is because he is finally getting a lot of traction with the points he makes because people are finally waking up to the massive corruption of the worlds systems.
Truth my arse, he is an idiotic conspiracy theorist🤡
The fact the culture Secretary has written to social media companies to get him demonatised reinforces the believe this is a plot to shut him down.
NO ONE TAUGHT HER HOW TO SAY NO? She went all the way to his bedroom bc his management told him it would be best? She only now came out to open up about the mistake she made? Who is paying her to say so?
Very interesting timing considering what he's been saying and doing. Its so obvious these days.
The scariest part of all this is that people like Ava exist - and they could end up on a jury!
God help any man with women like this
@@bossman1905One in four women have been raped or sexually assaulted. So god help women.... period.
not sure about that i met a lady like her last year she need a taxi and friends to take her home i doubt she woke up before 12 pm any day of the week including this lady
@@bossman1905 even Atheists are like, "pray for me".
its annoying that she is so fucking hot tho, id listen to her talk for a bit of action XD
omg, Ava said "why would you come on the program to defend someone you don't really know?" ... While she is defending someone whose name she doesn't even know because the accuser is anonymous.
Exactly, she irkred my damn nerve in this interview!
Ava Santina believes all men are potential rapists.
Friend of James O Brien, nuff said. 🤡
@@minniethegeek1500
I see.
Also y is she on the show attacking someone she doesn't know at all! 😂
When all the conversation ends because ava said Your opinion sucks 😂
Now if that wasn´t proof of how peaceful and civilized women are compared to men ....... . That really makes me want to believe all women!
How the hell can anyone accuse anyone of something this massive anonymously
It's easy when the only intent is to smear
Victims of serious crime automatically have and get the right to anonymity unless they wave that right.
The funny thing is the police won't accept an anonymous accusation.
The media will, apparently.
@@jacobsampsonis7782 And you know the only intent to smear is how?
Not sure you’ve thought that through…..🙄
A friend of mine was accused of rape, it destroyed his life. He was later proven to be innocent, but that was only proven a few weeks after he committed suicide.
so i have a real problem with of announcing these accusations to the world.
Sad to hear of your friend. It's a scary world.
Whoever accused your friend should, at the very least, be sitting in jail for a LONG time. Their actions caused this - a life for a life. Damn that person to hell. The trouble is that it wouldn't bring your friend back, but my gosh they should do jail time for what they did, this infuriates me so much. I'm so, so very sorry about your friend. 💔
Sorry for your loss
@@randomnesspersonified It's my understanding that nothing happened to her as the charge was for wasting police time which is classed as a summary offence and they have 6 months to pursue Not from when they discover it to be false but from the time of the original claim. It also turns out that she wasn't charged for perverting the course of justice because although my friend was arrested but not remanded into custody it did not meet the criteria. I may be wrong but I believe that is what happened.
@@Carwyn.Morris It just seems so wrong that she basically, in my humble opinion, got away with murder. Because, but for her, your friend would surely still be here - how can it be right that she walks away with no consequences. I hope she rots in hell, the cow.
The woman in the middle needs to be taken off TV, why does she keep getting brought onto these shows? She is spreading very toxic messaging to society and may influence many women in a seriously negative way
Esther speaks sense.
Stop calling them Victims, Russell is not charged.
They are plaintiffs.
@@Jo-sp5cp
Pla-tiffs is right! Not victims! These allegations ruin real victims chances of convictions. These people are after money! Wait all these years. Make up a tale and create havoc!!
If he is indeed charged. Let it be a public court where these women will be ridiculed and held to account for the charges after all this time. Lying toads! Why not go to the Police years ago???
i reckon russell could be the victim here
Esther Krakue is always very impressive talks a lot of sense
Shes incredible..❤
gift of the gab- could talk your right ear off and that would just be about what she ate for breakfast
I used to not like Piers but he has slowly become one of my favorite journalists. It is scary to think how many women like Ava are out there.
Brilliant interview Esther!!
Accusers absolutely should not just automatically be believed, Amber Turd is one prime example as to why!
I don't even think names of famous people should be released unless actually proven guilty. RB is being punished left n right with zero evidence or charges against him :( Completely unfair!
Aye.
These allegations supposedly happened between 2002 and 2006, but they conveniently waited until now to report? Kind of suspicious. 🤔
Tbh haven't seen any punishment - lot of discussion though, which is important.
@@skyblue-7 He's been dropped by his agent, had his CZcams channel demonitised, tour cancelled, partners, businesses, charities have disowned him.
yup
It's obvious that he's being attacked.
We all knew something was coming because of the truths he speaks.
Only media hate him because he makes them look stupid.
I don't really like Russel much cause of many of his opinions and what and who he support. Something like this don't belong in the media but today that's were women put it cause its easier than doing it the right way if it's even true.
And coming up with it so late, why now?? And lets jump on the wagon maybe he pays me to be silent??
The whole thing is weired.....
But everyone knows how easy it is to break down a man today. And the innocent until proven guilty is gone today for men !! Even if this goes to a trial now hes ruined and they get a slap on the hand.
Metoo has taken so many innocent being used to get their own career. I've seen before what sort of revenge that lives in women, social media and the tabloids.. Everything for a story!!
The real offenders get away cause of money or because the women is commoners. I swear i don't get how any man can feel safe anymore..
Well said!!
Absolutely 💯%
Piers says the conspiracy 'theory' is ludicrous as it unfolds precisely as a coordinated assassination. No thanks. Russell Brand rolled them on the Bill Maher show and they have responded.
Same thing with Andrew Tate and Elon Musk it's all they do speaking the truth
He needs to sue any woman who falsely accused him. Men need to start standing up for themselves!
This is such a good reminder of why women didn't have the vote for so long. Remember that while a man presided over the Salem Witch Trials, it was women who were first the accusers. And who, in the frenzied crowds, were screeching "Hang the witch!" before a trial ever took place.
I hope Ava NEVER sits on a jury
The scariest part of this debate is Ava Santina putting forward the argument that having people's reputations destroyed, potentially without reason, in order to help girls feel comfortable enough to come forward anonymously with these kinds of criminal accusations that can likely be neither proven or disproven. The possible innocence of the men involved is completely irrelevant to her.
shortsighted too.
as such a system, if seen to be effective again and again, would soon be used by every woman with a bone to pick.
Eventually accusation-justice would just become a completely devalued currency, and society would just increasingly ignore the innumerable cases.
Thats after a brief period of out-doing one another.
He has 10 accusers, but nevermind him, my target has 20 so look at mine.
I have 40, ignore them both, give me the attention.
Ava Santina attempted to blacken my name with false sexual accusation i was found NOT guilty SHE was warned not to make false sexual allegations again ! she was not charged she is pure evil !
@@paulsimin-gv6jjwhy would she do that?
Well said. While everyone else on the panel unanimously agree that these women making the accusations need to be ''listened to and taken seriously''
Watching from Australia. I like the black woman's comments. She's making more sense to me than the rest of the panel.
The fact that he attacks political parties and sticks up for the poor means he’s a target I don’t like the man personally but love that he speaks out respect to him I also wonder why it’s taken so long to accuse him sorry he’s been targeted because he speaks up 😡😡
Am I the only one who finds Ava’s attitude utterly exasperating. She is so immersed in her feminist miasma that she can’t see the terrible unfairness of the whole situation. Then those “Believe all women “ zealots are surprised when men avoid these toxic females entirely.
You are not alone.
You're merely pretending your feelings are the goalposts, which is what Russel did when he raped those girls
It's called Gaslighting, aka Grooming. Accusation in a mirror (AiM), mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, or mirror argument is a hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one's adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting.
*>>Gaslighting is a psychological term used to describe* the process of *grooming* someone into believing that they are losing it or going crazy. *Gaslighting a child is perhaps the most egregious form of child abuse, sometimes called Crazy Making.
*In the context of child sexual abuse (CSA) the **_gaslighting_** is often used to convince the victim all the abusive behaviours are fine, normal and an expression of “love” (for eg Patriotism, Christianity, Service). It is used to ensure the victim doesn’t speak out about it and doesn’t fight back. It can also be used in concert with other **_grooming_** tactics like fear and isolation. Ultimately the aim is to legitimise a worldview that is detached from reality, and therefore arbitrary. Now they can call evil good and good evil*
*>>Trivializing:* *The victim’s feels are made to feel like they don’t matter, are **_unfounded_** or they are weak for thinking so.* (woke/ lib/ groomer/ infidel etc)
*>>Countering: This is quintessential gaslighting.* *They **_directly counter the memories and perceptions of the victim._*
*>>Repetitive Questions: The abusive partner makes the victim doubt what they think or feel by asking the same question multiple times.* Questions are asked so many times the victim doubts their own answers.
*>>Diverting: The abuser diverts the subject and puts the blame into outside circumstances.*
*>>No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity* is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to *protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample* by trying to _exclude the counterexample_ improperly.
This is the Core of White Supremacist ideology.
*"What Others Say" (Appeal to populism)*
The abuser tells the victim what other people "think" about the victim, the abuser and/or the situation on whole. Also known as an appeal to populism, the basis of Authoritarian Communism, and Cults.
"if many believe it then it must be true" (regardless whether people actually agree with the position and whether it is true or not). Bolshevism itself means "the Majority" and is no different to Fascist appeals to a "moral majority" when in truth they account for a mere 13% of the population. Mocking is also an appeal to populism, that's why Comedy can be a form of Propaganda, by establishing a collective baseline that targets an "other".
All these tactics are employed to make a False Claim Fallacy: the *reliance of a premise on prior unsupported or unstated assumptions that turn out to be false*
A false assumption occurs whenever the truth of a premise depends on some necessary condition which is merely stipulated or *assumed to be present when it is not in fact present at all*
This is all right wing propaganda, without exception
Totally agree !!...she's so annoying !!
She cries about how awful it would've been if the women accusers were named but refuses ti acknowledge how awful this must be for brand and his family from being named and dragged threw mud
@@Daniel-qe9wb thats because as far as she is concerned, any negative outcomes for men simply do not matter.
Even a blind person can see Ava has her own agenda.
If they can't come forward, then keep it out of the media. Skip the media and go directly to court. It cannot be allowed that someone's name be destroyed without a criminal conviction that has considered all available evidence having taken place.
Just because he's done good things for women it doesn't mean he's a rapist. Bad people do good things.
Esther is such a sensibly minded person. Ava never fails to be a complete idiot.
Russell must be guilty. Because all blondes are dumb. Right?
Ava is infuriatingly stupid and stubborn. She never understands what the issue is about and her emotions always come first. She is a Narcissistic brainwashed plonker
You're merely pretending your feelings are the goalposts, which is what Russel did when he raped those girls
It's called Gaslighting, aka Grooming. Accusation in a mirror (AiM), mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, or mirror argument is a hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one's adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting.
*>>Gaslighting is a psychological term used to describe* the process of *grooming* someone into believing that they are losing it or going crazy. *Gaslighting a child is perhaps the most egregious form of child abuse, sometimes called Crazy Making.
*In the context of child sexual abuse (CSA) the **_gaslighting_** is often used to convince the victim all the abusive behaviours are fine, normal and an expression of “love” (for eg Patriotism, Christianity, Service). It is used to ensure the victim doesn’t speak out about it and doesn’t fight back. It can also be used in concert with other **_grooming_** tactics like fear and isolation. Ultimately the aim is to legitimise a worldview that is detached from reality, and therefore arbitrary. Now they can call evil good and good evil*
*>>Trivializing:* *The victim’s feels are made to feel like they don’t matter, are **_unfounded_** or they are weak for thinking so.* (woke/ lib/ groomer/ infidel etc)
*>>Countering: This is quintessential gaslighting.* *They **_directly counter the memories and perceptions of the victim._*
*>>Repetitive Questions: The abusive partner makes the victim doubt what they think or feel by asking the same question multiple times.* Questions are asked so many times the victim doubts their own answers.
*>>Diverting: The abuser diverts the subject and puts the blame into outside circumstances.*
*>>No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity* is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to *protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample* by trying to _exclude the counterexample_ improperly.
This is the Core of White Supremacist ideology.
*"What Others Say" (Appeal to populism)*
The abuser tells the victim what other people "think" about the victim, the abuser and/or the situation on whole. Also known as an appeal to populism, the basis of Authoritarian Communism, and Cults.
"if many believe it then it must be true" (regardless whether people actually agree with the position and whether it is true or not). Bolshevism itself means "the Majority" and is no different to Fascist appeals to a "moral majority" when in truth they account for a mere 13% of the population. Mocking is also an appeal to populism, that's why Comedy can be a form of Propaganda, by establishing a collective baseline that targets an "other".
All these tactics are employed to make a False Claim Fallacy: the *reliance of a premise on prior unsupported or unstated assumptions that turn out to be false*
A false assumption occurs whenever the truth of a premise depends on some necessary condition which is merely stipulated or *assumed to be present when it is not in fact present at all*
This is all right wing propaganda, without exception
Totally agree !!
She must be related to Tessa Dunlop.