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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
- Daniel explains and shares our thoughts on integration.
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My mother is a partially integrated system. Many of her alters did integrate, but she herself, and another alter, didn't want to lose each other and were scared. One did naturally integrate as well. So it's my mom, and another alter. Although recently a new one arrived which has not happened in decades. So everyone is kind of on red alert, because this one seems hostile. But I told my mom, it's understandable, her stress and stressors have been hostile, and her trauma specifically partially explains the new alter. So I'm working with her to try to get communication going. The rest of the family is not supportive and I'm glad I can be her rock when she's scared. Thank you for your articulate explanation of integration, Daniel!
Well, your mom is lucky to have you! It's awesome to have you by her side and have a shoulder to lean on when it's most needed!
I congratulate you both for having each other :) !
P.S: Happy mothers day for your mom! ❤❤
It's amazing to hear how supportive you are.
I would feel sad if i lost a part of me, in fact, i thought I had on and off, but here we are, still together, to me it's like a family, and I'm glad i can relate to the entropy system so much, it's sad to be ignored, not understood, or especially not acknowledged, and i wish the best of good luck to anyone who feels the same or similar, that they get love, support, feel accepted, and go forth in their journey to feeling somewhat like a normal person, just like before they found this all out. To me, life was mostly normal, except for my horrible memory, and yatta yatta so on. Idk which is true, but this is how i feel.
Daniel always has such colorful metaphors that make it really easy to follow him😊
Daniel is amazing. His intelligence, compassion, wisdom and nuanced understanding of the wider world and his own reality are obvious every time he makes a video. I just wanted to say, that no matter what happens, when/if Daniel integrates I truly think he's going to continue to add those insanely valuable qualities to your system, no matter what it ends up looking like in the end. While his worries are perfectly valid and understandable (and very similar to what I think my own would be in a similar situation), I think any system with him in it cannot help but be improved by his presence, no matter what form that takes.
So, I guess what I really want to say is; Daniel, you're awesome. Keep doing what you're doing, keep being your awesome self, and I'm confident everything will turn out fine, one way or another. Dude, you got this.
We feel so validated about this. Our psychologist has decided for us that the only way for us to be functional or healthy is integration even though we want functional multiplicity.
#DanielSensei 🙌🏼
i love the orange analogy! i've always had a hard time explaining how integration works to non-systems but that's such a wonderfully simple way of explaining it that still gets the gist of it across very well! i also loved that you mentioned integration happening unplanned, or planned integration never happening, i feel like those two occurrences don't really get brought up enough within the community - Zach
I am terrified of integration. I feel like integration is taking away from me who I am. As much as my parts sabotage my life I love each and every one of them because they make me who I am and I cant imagine not being that way. The comment about integration happening automatically is something I didnt know was possible and that concept scares me as well. I hope to become a functional multiple bc I believe that would be amazing but I am also not judging those who want to integrate as everyone has their own path. Thanks for the video, I loved it. You have so many interesting videos and you have no idea how much amazing stuff you have taught me about my disorder. I am very grateful.
Now I’m craving oranges haha
But on a serious note this was a great video and i think I understand integration a lot better now. If when you integrate i think we’ll all miss you but also be super happy for Wyn and wish her the best in the rest of her journey handling everything
I agree
Daniel will still be a part of her; a side of Wyn's personality.
my non-did orange now feels more informed. thank you very much :)
Hey Daniel, could you be my therapist? You've already been far more eloquent and conducive to healing than any therapist I've ever met. Please continue sharing your intellect, compassion, and ideas to the world! You make it a better place every time you do.
Non-DID orange, lol. That made me chuckle! Great analogy, Daniel!
You explained that so well. I've noticed that when Daniel describes things I understand it more lol
I'm 30 just getting a diagnosis. The video on this channel has helped me so much!
The orange analogy really helped someone like me who doesn't have DID understand better. I'm in healthcare and one of my residents I take care of has DID. I didn't understand what it was, so I started researching to better understand how DID works. Your system's videos really help me with taking care of her (the host) and her system so much! Thank you for the educational videos!
Thank you so much for taking the time to research DID. We’re so glad we could help you better care for your resident -Wyn
Daniel, thank you so much for taking the time to think of a way to make this incredibly complex topic easier to "digest" for those of us who don't have DID. I feel like I understand so much better now what integration means and how it is different for every system. Thank you all for educating us about the topic and helping end the stigma. Your guys are doing a real difference. (Sorry if any of this is worded weird, I'm not a native English speaker)
Your English is very good !
We've had some integration over the years. Very recently an alter who felt like his role was done and was getting very angry about it just... decided to integrate, and though another alter came appeared to fill his role, she's... very different. I miss him, but it felt like progress. I was entirely opposed to it for a while, but while our goal IS functional multiplicity, i think i can absolutely see its importance. Our therapist says that integration is needed on some level for addressing trauma, even if its just having alters talk to each other. Full integration is just a step up of that. It's super interesting to see it from the point of view of a system who wants to integrate! thank you for this EXCELLENT video
I love the orange analogy! I am currently working on kim kim’s drawing. I love how much information this channel gives while still making it clear it is a personal experience. I commented questions about this a little while ago and im happy to understand. Its nice to hear this from an alters point of view. I hope each of your orange slices become the juiciest orange in the world! Good luck!
-Eliza
Hey Daniel!! Just wanted to say that you do an amazing job explaining🙌 this is a complex subject and you did great love ya guys
Awe your mention of borderline made me feel so included :3
Daniel is such a good teacher
Thank you Daniel for this!!! I have a visual memory and understand things more when you show me how they work, and this really made me understand how intergration works!! Thank you so much!
When Mistletoe integrated, did Wyn get all of her memories, experiences, and relationships with people? I can tell their mannerisms combined, but I wonder what else has changed that isn't as visible, if you don't mind me asking?
I wonder why you didn't get an answer?!?
OMG First of your videos I've seen.
So down to earth and creative at the same time.
Just what we needed. Comfort food for the mind ❤
Thank you so much for this video, Daniel. I have not DID, but it's a totally fascinating subject to learn something about. You are very eloquent and this allows you to make such complex concepts understandable for me..
I just recently found this channel and been watching for a little while now. And I gotta day, those individuals who have DID just sound so genuine when they talk outward towards their audience. And I absolutely love it, some you tubers (without DID) never get close to being genuine and say it because that’s what the audience wants or needs to hear. But I love how genuine your system is and others that I’ve recently come across.
This is a great explanation and we appreciate it very much. We are relatively new to this diagnosis and trying to get a grasp on it right now. Our therapist seems quite keen on integration but our host is happy with whatever we choose. She feels like it is a choice we should all make on our own. Carol integrated. She did it on her own before we even knew what it was. It just happened naturally. It was not a sad thing. It was peaceful and it made life better for everyone in the end. We are still sorting through her memories and that is work itself. She was not kind and her memories are upsetting.
Daniel explains things so well! I've been watching this channel lately to learn more about D.I.D and I love when he comes out!
I would so love to sit down and talk with you.. so many questions come to mind and my own understanding of D.I.D. Is not anything I have come across in anyone else. Thank you for these videos
This really helped me with understanding he concept of integration. You always explain things so well, thank you Daniel!
Thank you Daniel, very well explained. Obvious why you were chosen for this task.
Huh, so pretty much every human being is an orange (all with varying degrees of attachment to their slices), and then one human being on this earth somewhere is the annoying orange from 2000 youtube day’s 😂. An entirely perfect analogy Daniel!
Thank you, Entropy System. Because of systems like you, DissociaDID, MultiplicityandMe, etc. people with D.I.D. can finally be regarded with their full human dignity, and, even if not, they can know how to defend themselves everywhere. Information/education makes all the difference. You’re God-given. I wanted to let you know a little bit about Taro cards and Wiccan stuff though, from personal experience, take it or leave it. I’ll put that in another comment though; for now, I’m sitting here on a couch just thanking and thanking God for instituting you and the others, and I want to thank you so. Much. I’m thinking of all my life before finding your videos... Sitting here thinking of how there was no one to relate to about my experiences, and never understanding anything or anyone, and, in those moments where I needed someone to be a role model or supportive voice for me, there just wasn’t, really. As time went on, people seemed to only tolerate me, with loving, encouraging words, but always a look on their face that was saying, “I don’t want to get too close to her. I wonder what she’s going to do...” And then, when I would be doing nothing wrong and maybe being a child, to them, all they would see was an “unpredictable possessed person” or that I was purposefully making all kinds of threatening or sexual gestures with my hands when, really, I just feel the muscles in my fingers and what my own body is feeling. I don’t believe I’ve once, not once, in my entire life, intentionally flipped someone off or made any kind of negative/inappropriate hand gesture, to be sure. So, in these times, when there’s no one to understand and be a leading, uplifting voice, not even I would know how to act, or what I was doing wrong. (Hence, the convenience of being a dog instead. Ugh...) I’m sorry to go on and on, but these thoughts here...I sit and give to my Lord and thank and thank you and Him. The times are changing. There are so many I know who need your channel(s); so many very dear people who are hugely misunderstood. Bless you, our comrades. ♥️🙏🏼💕
Wow, I really really like your system. I was just created a few hours ago, and I'm starting to communicate with the body's original personality. Sorry, I don't know how to describe her. I'm still learning about myself. She's getting really comfortable in the mind as I took over. Well, goodbye!
-Lu
I’m am just someone interested in DID. You are brilliant and your therapist must be as well. All the best to your system!
I just discovered your channel (like today!) and I was honestly only 5 seconds into this video and thought "That's Daniel!" His voice and way of talking is very distinctive!
Yes I have these feelings..I don’t know what to think about this either.
Great video, fantastic channel. I just can't get enough of it! thank you guys so much for sharing your stories and helping me better understand this disorder.
This was so well explained. And Daniel is such a caring and wonderful person.
I was actually going to ask about this and then saw that you already had a video about it! Thank you! I saw another channel's video that said that integration was no longer the ideal treatment plan for DID so I was surprised to see that this was your goal so I wondered about it. I'm glad to get different view points on this and see that it really just depends on the system.
Haha literally last night I was thinking about asking you about this. Thanks so much! And thanks, Daniel, for sharing your feelings on integration! It's hard to imagine what life as an alter would be, so I really appreciate you opening up to us.
Hi Daniel!!!! All of you are amazing!!!!
I really like you Daniel . Your really really awesome
If I have to explain DID to someone I'm 100% going to use the orange anology from now on, it is so clever. Always happy to see a new video! x
This video was very informing and actually made me learn something about myself. I ended up with unplannend integration but sometimes still have certain alters come out just very rarely and usually only when I am very distressed. Integration for me happenend when my life started to get a lot less stress and I learned healthy coping mechanisms
Thank you so much for making this video! You guys are amazing! Also, yay Daniel!
I was eating an orange while watching this, and kind of felt bad... lol thanks so much for sharing this, what a great analogy!
Daniel is very intriguing
You're channel is so educational and I Love it!! I'm learning so much and truly believe that people with DID are just the same as me. Thank you :D
Thaks for making all these videos. I'm learning so much from you all. You took me out of my own mind and stuff and now I have chosen to work with people like you, to help them. You helped me to find my way.
Thanks for the education Daniel. Always enjoy it.
I love the educational videos your channel makes! You explain everything so clearly and make it simple enough for me to understand. The analogies really help 😊😊😊😊 I knew almost nothing about DID before CZcams suggested your channel to me. And now I feel like I am learning a lot and it is really interesting
Thank you for another video!! I love listening to your explanations and thoughts every week :) and as difficult as the unknown is, I'm sure you have friends and family who will support you through whatever change comes your way, no matter what ❤❤❤
A few years ago we chose NOT to integrate in that way you talk about it. And we are still of the opinion not to integrate, but sometimes things don`t work that way ;) We were 24 known Parts (plus a System under the System we actually not know how it works and how many Parts are there) and it happend twice that two of us (from the everyday-life team, we don`t have that classical "host") integratet naturally, without planning it. And yes, it`s okay. But its still a little bit scary and feels a little bit like a loss of for example character traits.
Loved the explanations in the video. Also appreciated the copy of Infinite Jest in the background :p
We have chosen co-consciousness and a co-operating system, since our system fears that integration would lead to death for us all. so yeah...
Your analogies are really good, Daniel and make your explanations easier to understand 👍🏻🤗
Thank you
When I'm about to go to bed...
Excited but sad because I won't have a new video tomorrow haha.
To the content itself, thank you so much for all your hard work with these educational videos. I've learned so much and I hope I can help other people understand when needed
What if Jonathan integrated? How would the memories be held?
I freaking love your guys' channel! I love the orange demonstration!
Great, now we crave oranges!
Your way of explaining things is really nice.
You are such a cool dude.💛
I love it when you guys do visuals. (Daniel)
Great video! You made it so much easier to understand. Thanks
So, if a system is completely integrated but still has the coping mechanism of creating new parts, will the brain then dissociate into completely new alters when under stress or can certain alters come back?
DaBezz yes they can come back and new alters can be formed.
Wish System cool, thanks!
Awesome video. You explained everything really well. 😉
This is a super helpful analogy!!
Nice orange explanation! Btw Dan, when you said "yay" it really reminded me of Kit, in your friend Nan's system :)
I’m new to your channel and I love your videos!
Love this video so much! Super important topic too.
Daniel I always love your analogies (:
I really want an orange right now.
That's a great explanation but also I really want an orange now
My psychologist said that the goal for DID therapy is integration, and I honestly don’t know how to process that. I honestly don’t want that. I don’t want to integrate, but I understand why integration is a goal. I understand that it takes a lot of psychic energy to switch and handle a system. I don’t know why I feel so strongly against integration. Maybe I’m afraid of what I’ll be without them?
I was wondering if you had any advice.
Wouldn't you be you, with all those same sides to your personality, melded together?
Heyy! Sorry for replying now cause I get this was 8 months ago but since no one else did really.... The goal should not be integration, if that's not what you guys want. You can absolutely learn to work together and not integrate! And you should get a different therapist if they are trying to push that upon you.
I agree with Rachel. I’m new to the channel, and other channels, but that is an outdated practice. Ask you therapist if they would be willing to modernize their approach, or else you’ll be forced to find a more modern therapist. There’s nothing wrong with integration, if that’s what the system wants. But it’s definitely not mandatory, and shouldn’t be treated as such.
This was so informative - thank you!
I would be really interested in a review of you on
Hannah Lussendens point of view or even a discussion/collab , where you could exchange your opinions :) she has quite a harsh judgement on any alternatives to integration, and I'd love to see her explain her point of view to you and (why she is so persistent), if she is open to that. Love your videos and overall content :)
The Orange looks like a mandarine, but you did a great job explaing! Thank you very much
Ahhh bakemonogatari, good sign :) you helped so much in confirming something I had questions on. For a number of things actually
Daniel you made me crave oranges but that was an awesome analogy thought I would share
Being an orange in any case is cool 😂☀️ oranges are great
I always come into these videos thinking "based on what they've said I think I already know what's up." and I leave having been taught something new anyway. It humbles me and my smart alec-y ways to learn more from you guys and come out of it appreciating this channel more. As long as you guys share, I think I will always be a subscriber.
DID Orange, omg.. I love your videos :-)
Daniel. =) that's your name. (See comment below.) Yeah.. So I can't tell you guys apart or recognize you guys right away and I'm upset that people around me won't help me gain some damn DID insight.
I don't feel well.. Wth. Entropy system, I enjoy your videos.
Life is an adventure!
Some integrate naturally whether you want them to or not. Some do disappear because whatever they contributed is no longer needed.
Fantastic video, as always! I feel this information will be very useful in explaining our system's goal. The use of the orange analogy was very well done. I do have one somewhat unrelated question, what is the fish item on the bookshelf on the right near your head? Fish are our favourite animal so the littles really want to know what the fish item is.
Thank you, have a wonderful day.
-Te
I don't want to integrate because I'm afraid I'll fade away~Natalie
So this came to me as I was pondering the complexities of DID; I've noticed a sort of disconnect between the host and alters when it comes to roles and purpose. Yes, there are labels and general sense of what their role is in the system, but it seems like there's not a lot of understanding about what the alters each represent in terms of the trauma or self. Take Mistletoe for example. The integration came as a massive shock to Wyn and everyone in the system because she didn't feel "ready". It seems like Mistletoe's core reason for being was never discovered, so when that reason became obsolete due to Wyn overcoming the need for her presence, it felt as though it was "too soon".
In short, I'm wondering if the rest of the alters that still exist and Wyn would benefit from getting together and discussing their core reasons for existing. Yes, they're obviously around to protect Wyn, but each of them embodies more than that. I think integration might become a lot easier and less stressful as a whole if you understood everyone's main identity in Wyn's brain, and therefore, understood what needs work in order for integration to take place.
This is just my opinion, please don't take it as I'm trying to diagnose or speak like everything I'm saying is factual. I just figured it could be a valid way of organizing the system in a way that leads to a quicker and less stressful integration in the long run. Again, just my two cents. I'd never try to deter you from what you're currently doing, as it's definitely working very well.
4:53 He predicted the futureeeeee
This was filmed post-integration 😂 -Wyn
The Entropy System I know, its just crazy that the two people he chose for an example actually ended up integrating 😂
This is a great analogy and helped me to make sense of how integration works, as someone who does not have DID. I am curious, however. If the system does fully integrate, could something happen (God forbid) that caused the "orange" in this case like, break up again? If so, would it break into the same pieces, or different ones? I might be missing the point here, but when you said that the bonds would never be as strong as in the orange/brain that had never had DID it made me wonder if those bonds would be strong enough to prevent future breaking of the bonds or not. Sorry if that's a bad or overstepping question! I really appreciate the videos you make, I've learned so much from them. :)
I didn't see a reply to your comment, so here! The answer is yes. I have known some systems who have had alters integrate, and then split back off again because of stress or new trauma. It is also possible to form new alters after integrating parts. (I've never met a system who is fully integrated into one identify, so this is based off knowledge of my own system and systems who have partially integrated)
Hey I've been watching for a while and I love y'alls videos! My best friend from highschool had DID, I didn't know for the longest time and ended up befriending all of his alters assuming he was just on a mood some days. He has integrated since then. Anyway I wanted to ask if you've ever seen the show The United States of Tara and if so what are your thoughts? Personally I liked the show and helped me understand my friend better, but some thought it was offensive. Before it was canceled Tara and her alters worked toward functional multiplicity thus the shows title. But if anyone has any opinions I'd love to hear them.
I have some pretty negative feelings toward the show, but for other systems that show is a huge ray of light and I respect that. I’m hoping to do a couple videos where I talk about my opinions regarding DID in media. -Wyn
I look forward to it! Thank you for responding! Although I don't have DID it was always something I wanted to understand both for knowledge and for understanding my friend better. I have Manic Depressive Disorder however but I've made good progress over the years. I love youtubers like you always keeping it real and informative when it comes to mental illness. I appreciate what you do. I wish you all the best!
I see integrating will go very well because all of the different identities are so Wyn already.
Do all the alters have to integrate with Wyn or for example could Kit integrate with Kim Kim and then integrate with Wyn?
so you say there's two ways, one where you meld all of them together and one where all of them work as a team. What about one where most integrate but a few stay. So for example if all of the personalities integrated into wyn, except maybe karen and daniel would that be a thing that could also happen? Cause even for me a person without DID it kinda seems like, what daniel kinda gets at where its kinda not DYING but it kinda does sound like it..
When Wyn realized she has DID, what was the process of meeting all the alters and learning their stories and names like? Did that information come through as voices or thoughts or images or maybe all 3? I'm curious about the emergence of the system and how that felt.
I have a video called “How I Found Out I Had DID” where I talk about this stuff. -Wyn
I'm not sure if this is an insensitive question in context or your own concerns if so my apologies and you need not answer
But is there any way to know or control whether an integrated part or system continues to identify as the host or core (I assume these are the only options but I'm probably wrong)?
Great video. I would like to see a video where a care giver shares their experience about living with somebody with DiD ☺ maybe there is a system that wants to make that video?
Just a heads up: care giver probably isn't the best term to use here. People with DID might have family members or partners who could share some good info, but they do not have care givers and this term implies a lack of autonomy/ability that is not applicable for most people with DID.
Yeah not caregiver. DID people are very capable of caring for themselves. Now if you're talking about spouses or partners or whatever, check out the Multiplicity and Me channel. Gaz, their husband, did a live video talking all about it.
That's a great way to explain it. I'm just wondering if integration is your (or any other system's) goal, what happens when alters integrate that have been holding trauma memories away from the core. Will everything be rushing back? How is the core supposed to deal with that?
Yes, the bad memories will be shared. In therapy we work on sharing as many trauma details with one another as we can handle so that when I get the actual memories it won’t be quite as much of a shock. -Wyn
The Entropy System Thanks for your answer. Good luck with whatever comes next on your journey. Love from Germany.
can a fully integrated system split again if so will the split identities be totally new
So is it kinda like, when the host gets a understanding/is accepting of a certain alter that they become one an the host gets that part of themselves back taking that alters consciousness an adding it to the hosts consciousness, if that makes sense