Game Theory: Is Link's Quest in Majora's Mask Pointless?
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Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask is a fascinating game, presenting a death scenario unique in the video game world: Death by moonfall. But just how deadly is this, really? What damage would a falling moon actually cause? Is there ANY chance of survival? Does Link stand a chance of saving the citizens of Termina? The answers may surprise you!
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If the moon fell in Windwaker, it would be a Sailor Moon...
This is not Funny.
XDD
Anonymous if skull kid had a disease it would have a 100% terminal ratio
Yay😀 recent viewers
LMFAO
ITS JUST A F****G GAME ,THEROIST . YOU ARE GOING TO MUCH INTO THIS.
God remember when all of his theories were just 10 minutes of math
I'm ok with that. I like the lore videos, but the gritty math ones are awesome, too
Ah the good old days
Times were more simple and beautiful.
Brother those were the day, he's always been a legend
No
Wait, if the majora's moon is that small with that mass, it wouldn't create those changing tides or orbits unless Termina is also small...
Edit: it would also require that the gravitational constant in Termina would be far greater than on earth, assuming that termina is much smaller in mass than earth. Objects on termina wouldn't still affect each other with a noticeable amount of force. The moon coming closer just will make people able to jump a bit higher under it. But yeah it's the Zelda multiverse ofc the constant can be higher.
I mean Termina is said to be entirely created by the Skull Kid after he wears Majora's Mask, and Termina disappears soon after Link leaves it
@@jcahill2303 Termina is a physical place, not imagination of anyone
@@DrMonty-yr1kc it was majoras imagination terminator is a alternate reality wich is why everyone is familiar
Ye
The planet Hyrule is on is probably in scale with that moon similar to our Earth
Wait a sec
Is the moon even big enough to exert that kind of gravitational pull?
No, the one in the game no. A moon that small would not change the orbit significantly enough
But if this were REAL LIFE, and a moon the size of ours was falling like that...
Yeah, you saw the video. You know the rest. XD
U mean termina’s, or our’s?
@@najdalsekhan5721 *LOL* definitely not Termina's moon. The Earth's roche limit would shread that thing to pieces before it was even a visible spec in the sky.
It is, supposed it’s having a higher density and volume than matpat calculated. Besides the volume, the speed of the moon while orbiting and its distance come into play too. There’s a stupid high amount of stuff to calculate to determine if it could exert that pull. Incl the facts of the planet. The planet needs a certain volume and density too to not be affected by the gravitational pull of the moon etc etc. But termina seems to be super tiny either, not to mention that it’s apparently either imagination or alt reality
The scariest moon in gaming isn't so scary!
So now that we've done Zelda, what game series should be next? Mega Man? Kirby? Half Life? Something else? Let me know!
Wouldn't termina have to be insanely small for the gravitational pull of the moon to effect anything?
Wolf Leaper I would actually like to see an episode dedicated to Spyro. It seems very interesting. Brilliant idea, friend.
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I want something about Half Life
Darksouls
You know it's sad when a snail can beat a moon in a race
Majora really needs to step up their game..
Screaming Eagle yes it is plus an animal 10 seconds slower could look like a car to that moon
lol
With the announcement of Matpat's retirement I couldn't resist coming back and re-watching the first Game Theory episode I saw.
Same here, I fell in love with the channel after hearing "Oar Arr Wii"
*why does the moon ger bigger and has a scary face?*
we will be right back
It het’s just looks like it’s getting bigger as it is coming closer, and it has a face because.....because.....because......
@@dimitridionissiou1000 because its a video game......dont hurt youreself (no offense)
It doesn't get bigger it j just seems that way because it's getting closer
@@dimitridionissiou1000 because in the story its not a real moon
that moon is created by majora and if you look at his design he look just like majora
@Natalia Merkulov well uh..... .-.
The mighty uka uka will just leave now .. why do I even go near the moons
Wait a moment, if Majora's moon is that small compared to our moon, wouldn't it's gravity affect the planet much less than the actual?
I was thinking the same thing
Unless the planet link is on is not dearth but in fact a smaller different planer
Yep, it would have no effect whatsoever over the planet's gravity field while in orbit. Though i'm not sure if supercharging that little moon's density would give it more realism :l
Ditto
+The King of Gaming Gaming I think the same. The planet of the Zelda series is not earth.
It's a shame you didn't apply the same mathematical scrutiny you used to calculate the Tiny Terminian Moon's mass to calculate its gravitational pull, which in all likelihood would be pretty negligible. :P
Truth be told, given that the moon dissolves into a rainbow at the end of the game, I'm going to assume it isn't Termina's actual moon at all, but rather a giant magical bomb shaped like a moon. Since, you know, getting rid of the moon would also be pretty catastrophic.
I was going to say the same thin, then I saw your comment :)
***** We'll probably kill ourselves long before that even happens with nukes.
Wouldn't the sun swallow up the Earth before it exploded? Ignore the fact that should an explosion occur, the Earth would undoubtedly swallowed up by it, but the sun would become a red giant, swallowing up most of the planets, if not the first four, right?
Dang, I'm 3 weeks too late to point it out.
***** with nukes? how about with something actually logical like global warming
cause who would actually use nukes in war in this day and age? war is all about territory and power, and completely obliterating a territory so you cannot use it for your own cause is damn stupid. the nukes are only used as a way of dick comparison, to have hypothetical pressure on others
Old Game Theory episodes are so fun to back and watch after so many years. Brings back nostalgia.
"All the great cities would be flooded!"
So, basically the events of Splatoon.
J. K. Haech sadly yes
Splatoon is the official sequel to Major's Mask
@MARY GREEN not funny meme
Ahh back to the good 'ol days
AHHH SO MUCH MATH.i guess you could call him
#MATHPAT
I'm out
Dude yes
khrisnlauren w
#MATHPAT
khrisnlauren w 0:00 sonic lol
khrisnlauren w pppppppp
I think a bigger problem in Termina is its 24 minute day cycle.
@SuperDude Comedy, Skits and Gaming Like, ridiculously late.
yeah schouldt skull kid also have done that
4:45 if the moon in Majora's mask had the same density as ours, it would have disintegrated the moment it entered the atmosphere.
@Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf basic science
Even if it had it it would not because it's under magic magic beats sicence
Oh yeah that's true
Its true that the outer surface would begin to ablate, the sheer mass would see it touch down mostly intact
Would agree ngl
This was the very first game theory video I watched as a kid and I loved it. We’ll miss you Matt pat
I feel that so much I’m literally crying
But if our moon is much bigger, and their moon is much smaller, wouldn't the gravitational effects be much... 'smaller' I guess?
Grumpy the Tentacle Knight It was just a theory.
-A game theory-
Grim Looter Nah. -common sense-
Grim Looter eh
Humm yeah
doesnt matter about size. Matters about density.
The real question is why doesnt he just use the song of time to go back 4 days.
***** the whole thing is still going to happen since link goes to search for navi
He could just...you know.
Not get mugged in the forest in the first place.
***** Yeah, because the second time he shoulda know...
Cause he duuuuuuhhhhmbb... I think... I'm not sure. I don't think so, but when you put it that way... Then again, I've never played any of the games...
***** :(
It will do a lot of damage, it might not be large but look at this quote: "I will... I will consume everything." BOOM!!!!! mic drop.
you meant "I...I Will Consume... Consume... Consume EVERYTHING"
Dude, earth can consume the ENTIRE thing and it will make the earth 75 meters (I think)
@@darkyagami5681 🤬🤬🤬🤣
Impressive but...
1. What if it’s a bomb disguised as a moon
2. Clock town is probably not on earth, it’s most likely in another dimension so it’s characteristics could be different to that of earth
3. If it is only exerting 36j of energy how is it going to affect earth’s gravitational pull that much
It has been confirmed that termina is an alternate dimension version of hyrule
Those rapture-like symptoms of the moon getting closer only applies to our moon. Majora's moon is much much smaller, so the effect would be far different.
thats true since the moon is much bigger and if it crashed then it'd be so huge it'd make us scared out of our wits, but here... that moon is a little shit
you're forgetting a key element, the moon in majora's mask must have been much closer to the planet then our moon, the moon doesn't simply falls onto the planet due to gravitation, for termina's moon to fall onto to the planet that slowly and to still have made such a good progress in such a short time he should have been vary close already, hack, it would take it over a year to cross the the first level of the atmosphere. and as you know the more an object gets closer to you, its gravitational force is stronger. while it is tiny, any increase in the gravitational force that moon may have would be extreme and would have devastating effects, think about it, because our moon is so far away, that small a change in its distance wouldn't be that critical, in fact, our moon is actually gets a few meters further away from the earth each year, but it will take about a million years or so before there will be any effects on the earth climate from it.
Itay Bryt true but it wouldn't destroy the planet
Minecast Zyad48
the gravitational consequences, even if our moon were to get closer, would not be the destruction of earth either, it would make the earth inhospitable for life to exist on it, in other words the planet would still be there, but all life on it will come to an abrupt end, think about, why doesn't planet Venus has any life on it, because it is not hospitable for life due to its climate and the make up of its atmosphere, and that is due to it being closer to the sun than planet earth is, the same in reverse is true for Mars, because it is to far away from the sun, its climate is too cold and thus it isn't hospitable for life, the earth is in a perfect balance here, it is not too close and to far away from the sun, thus making it hospitable for life, and any change in that balance would make the earth inhospitable for life to exist on it.
Itay Bryt right, although if we were able to travel to mars and put up a facility that would keep the temperature at liveable levels then we could survive potentially since mars has water on it I assume it has an atmosphere that could house human life but only a small amount of it
I feel like there's not much point in arguing physics since magic was clearly involved in the whole mess.
It wasn't falling as a result in natural physics, so...
Also, if you fail to stop it in time, the whole region is visibly nuked, and Link ends up thrown back in time to try again.
So it's evidently a pretty clear and present danger.
Yeah, none of the theories presented regarding the destruction make any sense when we have an actual scene in which said destruction occurs. I think that magic made the moon all explosive and apocalyptic. That, or someone put a few nukes in there.
Gigabic Look, if that moon crashed into that planet, that destruction, does not take place.
basically what the vid is saying is that the explosion, based on real life physics, should have never even been possible. the moon would have crushed the tower, tumbled onto the town, and stopped rolling at the nearest cliff. there was also some climate related stuff but that all depends on the actual influence that tiny moon had on the planet.(which couldnt have been much)
Dave Konopka Also, the gravity in/on Termina is likely the same as on earth, so the moon is falling at a lower velocity than the laws of physics would cause.
It's a game chill the fuck out.
Matt pat didn't realize that major as moon isn't the moon, it's actually a moon created my majoras mask
I didn't understand a single thing of what you just said.
Isaac A.garcia There saying Majora’s Mask created the moon that’s falling and it’s not the actual moon.
@@Jessica_Schweser oh. Thanks 👍
Its still a moon
@@RetroGameDays36 a small moon. But a moon.
Imagine a huge snail dropping from the sky
That’s basically what is happening in this game.
Gamer Noko yes. That’s what Cheese Boi is saying. No need to clarify.
I wonder if people would preserve and auction the goop years afterwards?
i mean that would be like selling dirt
@@sim-pli-s-te4015 Yeah that is basically what is happening what Neuro says Gamer Noko saying happening what Cheese Boi is saying so no need to clarify
You forgot the fact that skull kid speeds the moon up
True
I mean, he does have Majora's Mask...
And magic
:O
Oh god no
I'd like to see what kind of effects that blowing up half the moon would have (sonic adventure 2) on the world.
death
The moon irl is just a grain of sand when the earth sees it ngl
Damn... sonic after 7 years? Legend 🙌
IPISSEDONTHEMOONYOUIDIOT
It's cool to see that some people come too visit this video to these days, also it would be very cool as idea for a video!
The moon falling:YEET
Link: not for me (plays time song) TIME TRAVEL SCIENCE
Majora:dang it
Majors: mission failed, we’ll get-’em next time
Link is just GER but with no barrage
The moon: makes 36 joules of energy
An Mnm’s candy bar: *I’m about to end this moon’s whole career*
I am calling Tingle a "Wiggles reject" from now on!
how do americans know what the wiggles are?
How do you know what slime rancher is
Yeah I know. I'm aussie, and I grew up with the wiggles.
thePredman#9 lol ttttt
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majors mask s moon is waaaaaay toooo small to have a noticeable gravitational pull
The planet Hyrule is on seems to be pretty small too. It's main setting is a small country with few inhabitants
Adi Wadi yeah but no matter how small it is the moon wouldn't impact it's waters or axis because it's just not big enough to even have it's own pull on ordinary objects much less a planetoid
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How nostalgic is it to see the old game theory intro in late 2019?
Early 2020.
I liked it better tbh, BUT HEY that's just taste, personal taste.
Or 2021
2022
I have to point out how incredibly small majora's moon is. (smaller than the Great Pyramid of Giza) Therefore it would have a very weak gravitational pull (if we're assuming that it's as dense as Earth's moon like it was in his calculations). So, it would not be as much of an apocalyptic event as he claims. It's basically just a meteor (space rocks smaller than 100 meters are considered meteoroids and then meteor if they're in the Earth's atmosphere). It would only cause localized damage (if it weren't falling so slowly). At most it would just crush the tower and sit in the center of the town at the rate it is falling. By the way, majora's moon is basically defying gravity by falling that slowly and not at all accelerating. Also, the planet is not rotating beneath the "moon". It doesn't take a highly educated astronomer to point these out. Also, is this the only moon that orbits this planet? Because you'd need a good size moon like our own to keep the planet's rotation stable making the planet livable. And there's no way that majora's moon would be able to do that.
I could keep on ranting about this if I wanted. I'm always quick to identify the little details that are inaccurate.
TL;DR
Means termina's moon is too small to effect the planets ecosystem. Also, isn't the moon basically hollow? Making it's mass much much lower.
Good job.
Avery G. Thanks! I see yout point
???
I knew from the start that the speed was going to be a big factor in it. You know what else is funny. This means that each of the four entities summoned by the Oath to Order is only there to stop 9 apples worth of force each. As for dangerous weather occurrences, granted we do have the Great Bay Temple problem. Still nothing that a giant turtle can't handle.
thats just the energy exerted, im pretty sure the weight of the moon alone would crush the entire town and still kill ALOT of people who decided to stay.
Wow... Didn't thought I'd see you here :D
hmm... tiny problem i know nothing about! *types whole paragraph
I honestly always thought that Majora’s Mask was similar to Alice in Wonderland in that Link falls down and wakes up in a dream-like place similar to the Hyrule that we’ve all come to know but it’s also not like Hyrule at all. (I’ll explain)
(And yes, I’m aware that Alice in Wonderland is super different from the game, I’m just comparing the instances of “falling down” and waking up somewhere new)
I played the game when I was younger and I still sort of feel that way about it.
Throughout the game, after he “falls down”, Link sees people and things that he met/saw during the Ocarina of Time, but everything is different: the settings are different, the story is different and even the characters we see that were also in Ocarina of Time play completely different roles;
To me, while I was playing the game, it was almost like Link was walking through this weird fever dream that happened in a place called Termina; a lot of the things and characters there were almost the same as they were in his previous quest but not really at the same time.
Like, I was having serious deja vu when I played through both games when I was little.
*I probably don’t even make any sense-*
Or like Undertale/Dante’s Inferno
Wait, isn't the moon empty inside? Like doesn't it have that weird tree place inside? Wouldn't that make it like a giant rock balloon? Also, can't the magic increase the downward force? We see that happen just before Link enters the moon. Also, doesn't this mean that its low gravity wouldn't affect the world much? Also, gravity is magic in that world (as a separate universe it is very likely that the laws of Physics would be nothing like ours). This is proven when the gravity flips in the Stone Tower, but we are told by the Garo Master that all this is doing is flipping the placement of the moon and earth. This means that the center of gravity in this universe is intrinsic to certain points (and since none of the physics change we can assume that distance doesn't affect gravity) and that the celestial bodies are immune to gravity, as Termina doesn't immediately fall into the moon after they switch, despite its massive mass. (You may think that the moon falling to Termina disproves this, but remember, Majora had to push the moon toward Termina, it wasn't falling, it was being forced to move by magic.) And that small of a moon wouldn't have had such a disastrous effect on the weather. And this solar system may just be Geocentric as the stars make light without nuclear fusion (star fragments). In other words, the physics are different, so you can't compare things using our scientific laws.
That’s a lot of writing O-o
Great points dude
No.
I think he just wanted to do math without taking in-game lore into account, I mean, if he did then the video would be debunk instantly just from seeing the game over cutscene when the moon falls.
If the Termina Moon is so small, would it even have a significant enough gravitational pull to cause all those problems you mentioned?
It wouldn't, even if it were at the surface of the earth it would have 100 billion times weaker pull than our moon. This video doesn't make much sense.
littleindia Well, first you have to consider the fact that it has the effect of tidal forces on the planet on which Termina presides, already, despite it having such an insignificant amount of mass. If it is already having these effects, than why shouldn't it increase or decrease at the same rate depending on how far or how close it is to the planet?
Good point
It does increase. The earthquakes become more frequent the closer the moon gets to termina
littleindia I'm pretty sure it depends on how big Links planet is. And this is just a theory, an old one, anyway.
There is no way game creators thought of this!
I rate it
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Nope
javon player your profile picture goes with that
javon player how do you know? are you a game creator?
My first game theory episode, and my first exposure to not just Majorca’s Mask, but the entire Zelda series as a whole!
Funny how a goofy internet video can change someone’s life in a profound way.
I felt that.
Lol now I get to say someone isn't a true fan of GT unless you've seen the crumpled paper background in the video haha /j
@@foxpatternedferret476and tye Science Blaster intro
I think that the changing climate would not have of an impact on termina, if any at all, because you have got to take into account that the moon wouldn't have nearly the same gravitational pull of our moon, if any at all, and thus wouldn't change the climate in such a dramatic way.
10:04:
Church viewing this video state: “Dats God, dude”
It makes sense like it was programmed to work that way.
Majora's earth-shattering moon is only that small???
What LUNAcy...
Lol
That’s because it was crashing into termina
Edit:if we have a moon orbiting around us at more than 1000 km/h, and the termina see’s our moon, the termina moon would go:nop nop nop nop nop nop Mm Mmm, not today
Dude if it is ssoooo small then its gravaty will be no big deal MATPAT
exactly
that's not how gravity works it is due to the weight not the size
*face palm*
I love these old video's creativity, math, super amazing end card tournaments, and editing. Ah the good ol' days.
The later part is not scientific at all. By seeing how slowly the moon falls, Zelda Planet must have either a super dense atmosphere or a super weak gravity pull. And since the moon is so small who cares if it crashes?
In some of the comments here, it was suggested that the moon is simply a magical bomb that's set to go off at approximately the time when it would hit the ground.
I seem to remember an interview with one of the producers, where he says that Termina's moon isn't of that world. I can't remember for sure, though.
Richard Xu What if the moon was sentient and was trying not to crash using its own gravity and will, but did anyway because the pull was too strong? The sudden snapback would explain why the town was obliterated with it then going from its initial speed to more than a hundred times that. But that's just a theory... a stupid theory!
What if it's just a game
Besides, the moon is just a giant space rock in this game. It's not the real moon.
It's just a theory...
man, the 1 million sub request in the description there, amazing how things can change in roughly 3 years :D
I know right?
But it would fatal like a rock
You could make the moons density low enough to fall that slowly
But by the it has a density to low to touch the planet anyways
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When i saw the moon thing for the first time my mind was like, "Mm, Not scary."
Honestly finding the source of the horrifying moon may give me nightmares. I never got nightmares from something. This cheered me up. Your animations are silly. Even more happiness. Thanks GameTheories. Oh and someone please hug me
just watched the whole video, and boy.
*THAT'S ALOT OF MATH*
Your theory has one problem. The moon in Majora's Mask is no where near as massive as our moon, so the gravitational force it exerts would be a lot less. Their moon is the size of a city at best, so it's gravitational force wouldn't be powerful enough to cause all those disasters.
OH NO THE MOON IS FALLING!!! *moon lands* ......... isn't there suposed t be an explosion?
Where's the kaboom? There's supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!
*PEW* there it is
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Oar arr wii.
Omg your the Illuminati from gravity falls!
This theory makes people realize how important the moon is to everyday life.
This theory is also horribly wrong lol
@@shaqjuice420 explain please
@CL Melonshark ah ok
Not to mention, Majora's moon would end up burning into the Earth's atmosphere and turning into dust before making impact due to it being extremely small. Even if it does impact the planet, it is not world ending.
@CL Melonshark Yeah, but it would execrate due to earth's gravity pulling it.
Shout-out from 2021! Love the past of this channel as much as the future!
So, am I the only one who noticed there was some Kingdom Hearts 2 soundtrack mixed in there?
Really ? OwO
No I heard it too
The world that never was
There was some ducktales and others too
i caught on to that too
maybe matpat will do a kh theory??
A few issues with this one.
1. The moon is not big enough to effect the tides of anything of the sort in any meaningful way.
2. The moon is being pulled down by magic. I'm pretty sure magic and physics are sort of mutually exclusive.
Gotta love that Kingdom Hearts 2 - world that never was theme kicking in at the 9min mark just to make things far more spooky haha
Thanks for letting me know the name of this song :)
You have to remember though, this is on an unknown planet, in an unknown universe
WAAIIT. would a moon that small actually affect anything?
That depends on how big Termina actually is and the density could actually make up for the small size.
Kyle Hodar mat pat should do theroy on it
+Kyle Hodar Too small an effect of gravity. The mass is too little.
+Tim Cao gong that slow umm might a 2 foot deep hole
John Edward Olesco but its sooooo slooowwwww
Dude, if I was a Physics/Math teacher (which I'm not) I would have my problems based off of videogames!
4y after your comment was posted, and my dynamics exam was one question about calculating the potential energy and differential equations of motion for this setup
It's so funny because when I was in 4th or 5th grade I wanted to show this video to my whole class because it had math in it and throughout the whole year I kept reminding my teacher about it, but we never actually did lol. I wanna ask the Game Theorist team to make a edited video of this video so when I go back to my home town I can fulfill my promise to show this video to an 4th or 5th grade class in my old elementary school from my teachers class too. Gonna miss u MatPat. ❤
1:39 lol I love this transition
Episode...GO
I wish I could use this in my ela essays
And what sad grotesque part of Link's dying psyche dreamed up Tingle?
Deedless Deity inner gayy? I dunno xD
This Video Helped me pass a Math Test 🤓
Wow
Rose Plays same
Satria Sutena hi
Nicole Plays same xd
Me to
Never noticed before - Some Illusion of Gaia near the end? Love it.
I keep theorizing what would happen if the moon was crashing into earth and it took a weak for it to hit.
You just cleared up all my mixed up assumptions, thank you.
I think the Moon is the Head of Bongo Bongo, the Shadow Temple boss from Ocarina of Time. Bongo Bongo was beheaded in Ocarina of Time Lore. So, since the game is about Death, it makes sense that Bongo Bongo wants revenge. Also, this is the First Zelda Game that doesn't feature Ganondorf. Maybe Ganondorf revived Bongo Bongo to take over a world, i.e Termina in order to achieve his goal.
sure, why not?
Wait, why would Ganon even know about terminas existence? It's a parallel universe, he doesn't have any reason to know about termina.
I agree dood
Looking back, I can see my error.
you forgot something. it is not that big so it doesn't have much gravity. termina has really low tides. no rising tides
Ethan Underwood it's not about size. It's density. Mat pat said that the density was the same, and the moon was extremely close,the tides would be huge enough to flood termina
Actually I'm pretty sure Ethan's more right than you considered Captain. Density is not the only think to worry about in gravity, but mass is what you need to consider. So, since the mass of this moon(more like asteroid and not even a big asteroid at that more like a pretty small asteroid one at 208' wide) is so little it would not be able to affect a planets tides as easily as our moon. It may be too small to do anything catastrophic to our tides no matter how close it got. The real question is what secret force is slowing the fall of the moon down so much. It should be falling much much faster than it currently falls. So some unknown force must actually be slowing it down to the point that it can just land gently on the ground, but possibly this energy when actually contacting something other than this moon is being released and destroying the town.
It has the same density he said, but not the same mass. If you had a whole planet made out of stone or just a pebble, the density would be the same, but the mass would be different. Or am I mistaking? Please correct me if so.
TheIndieReviewer You're correct. Density=mass/volume. As long as it's made up of the same material, then the density stays the same and the mass and volume are different. Matt is assuming that both moons are cut from the same type of rock without any proof.
If a moon that size would affect tides just because it's a moon made out of material as dense as moon rock, you might as well say that the moon rocks brought back to Earth by astronauts would cause tides. This thing's puny.
I love how ironically he plays the EARTH BOUND song in the beginning
Six years later and I just noticed the he used Kingdom Hearts music at the 9min mark
Maybe some fallout related content? How long can humans survive in irradiated areas? Would animals really change so drastically to grow multiple heads or triple in size? How likely is a super mutant being a real thing?
He forgot the fact that a rock that size can't exert that much gravitational force
Your talking about surface area and volume. Gravity requires mass. Don't take drugs kids!
+Basticuz where did the drugs come from
I think he means if the moon in majora's mask was the same density as our moon
Plus with no moon the tides as he says even though it's a small moon it's the moon
Lol even better answer how could the moon be near termina when the earth and moon with be constantly moving from each other changing the orbit and gravitational pull. The moon can't be in earth that means so it's either a moon made of magic or Nintendo ran out of ways to destroy a town.
I remember watching this very man. Alright, but let me do a few things real quick.
So, judging by Matpat's calculations, he managed to find out the moons height in Majora's Mask is about 208 feet tall, which I believe is about the same height as the Lighthouse in St. Davids. That means if you roughly compare the moon to the lighthouse, they would definitely be the same height but not the same width.
So it wouldn't even be that tall, for you it would definitely be tall, but looking at it from a distance, not so terrifying now, is it?
And that, kids, is how science works.
Lower50 tried explaining Majora's Mask to me, and I realized that gravity would get all wonky when it happened.
then I watched this and was so glad it was mentioned. thank you.
Too bad the moon in Majora's mask is too small to have a gravitational pull. Therefore there are no tides and no climate swings on what planet Link lives on.
Everything generates a gravitational field, even the not-so-massive.
Klesti Muco True, but the moon in Majora's mask is still too small to produce a large enough gravitational pull to really effect the planet.
Trey Queen That is a true statement.
Trey Queen Unless of course the moon in question has an insanely high density for its volume like a neutron star. Highly unlikely though.
Yeah I was just thinking about that
I never saw the moon "falling". For me it was more like it was being pulled by magic and wouldn't stop at the clock tower. The moon would keep going as you can also see in the final cutscenes before the battle. The skull kid let out a scream which turned the moon's eyes red and all the sudden the 4 giants having difficulty holding the moon back. So?
Also your last point , wasn't that about IF the moon has the same size as our? If its much smaller, its gravitation would mostly likely do barely to none damage before "hitting" the earth.
Its like saying a giant space ship as the size of the majoras mask moon would kill us all by just being near our planet.
you see for at least 3 days in the game that the moon facing clock town. So people on the other side of the world aren't even seeing the moon at all, since its not rotating like a normal moon would. And the reason for that is magic. It being hold in place by a force from majoras mask.
Retrogirl honestly, your theory makes a lot of sense
I don't know, but isn't that moon also CREATED by magic?
Retrogirl I always thought that the regular moon was there and that the majora moon was a second one. So there were two in the sky. Correct me if I'm wrong.
you are right. Only the characters in the towns are talking about the moon falling, since they don't know about Majoras Mask. The moon is obviously pulled by it's power.
Retrogirl that's just a theory... A PROBABLY TRUE THEORY!
that was an impressive explanation of the anthropic principle you made without realizing it. The anthropic principle states that the reason we observe the universal constants the way they are is because if they were different, we would not be able to observe them.
5:50 he's using my childhood background music 😍 to think at the age of 8 I was able to get past whatever tf that speed race thing was lol
I was with this up until the end, when it starts going on about how the moon's gravitational pull would fuck things over. One thing you're overlooking: gravity depends on an object's mass, and if the Termina moon is as small as you suggest, then I doubt that's really gonna do much of anything. It sounds like it might be just slightly worse than if a man-made satellite fell back down to our earth.... hell, do tides even exist in Termina?
Yeah, but you have to remember that an size object has gravity, and depending on the density of termina's moon, then we can determine if termina has tides or not. If it was as dense as our moon, termina would have very small tides, but still have tides. also, if it does have enough gravity to have tides, than it is able to push termina out of its orbit and have temperature changes as he said. Now, I could be wrong, but this all depends on the density of the moon
I think people are missing the point here, Game Theory isn't about saying whether or not a game's portrayal of something in that world is wrong, it's about what would happen with those instances in real world scenarios.
See the Can Sound Kill You?, or Death from Space, for example.
I know it's like all these people are brain dead
Yeah that and how some people don't hear the end when he say it's just a theory and think what he is saying is a fact. Or when people he is taking the game too seriously.
Dr. Ideas He misuses the work Theory. It's incredibly misleading with how he presents it and it does irk me. A theory has been tested one way or another and can be proven true, like gravity. What he's proposing is an idea, an idea that while makes some sense, still has holes.
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If a theory is proven then it is no longer a theory. A theory doesn't have to be able to be proved in order to be a theory. For example you can't prove God is/isn't real, but it is still a theory. You cannot prove that the big bang did/didn't occur, but it is still a theory.
Dr. Ideas because it's been tested and proven through these tests. You can't test for god, it's not a theory. The big bang has been tested to an extent, run via simulations using the knowledge on physics we do know, therefore it is. Now if you personally want to believe that about the latter, it's your choice, but these are NOT theories, they are ideas.
Correct if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the moon is large enough to exert a strong enough gravitational force on the planet to cause those natural disasters you talked about
I'm getting goosebumps by you using Terranigma music for showing the terrible outcomes of that scary moon!
But if Termina's moon is so not-massive, its gravity would be much lower, causing the shift in orbit to not be as harsh, and making the effect exponentially less severe. MatPat, I think you forgot to take that into account.
Surely a moon as small as that wouldn't have any large effects on gravity?
Now, that I've played through all of Majora's Mask, I can appreciate this SO much more
“now wait for it” an ad appeared right after that so I had to WAIT for it
ah the old intro
friendly foxy Yasss
His logic ate itself. For the purposes of his first argument (Kinetic energy calculation), he went out of his way to determine that the moon was (in this alternate reality) way way smaller than the real life moon. For the purposes of his second argument (the gravitational/tide argument) he assumed the moon was the same mass as the moon in OUR reality in order to say that it would destroy the delicate ecosystem on earth. If the planet link is on (presumably based on earth but different) is small enough for that moon to make differences to tide (even though he did use the standard estimate for the energy to destroy OUR Earth) perhaps the moon would be able to destroy it. If the planet link is on is standard Earth size, it would be fair to assume that the moon is too small to be effected by tide FROM THIS MOON (keep in mind, high tide never happened in the game, even though the moon was nearly crashing into earth. You could stand next to the coast all year and nothing would happen. Therefore, it would be fair to assume that the moon is really really small, and the Earth is standard Earth size. When you take all of this into consideration, the only logical explaination is this.
The exceptionally small moon is going to destroy Clock town, but that's about it. Nobody will die, but the Town will be slowly committed to the ground. Link helped to stop THAT from happening. Not pointless. :)
Came here to see if someone already mentioned this.
Thank you.
Imagine... Waking up, walking outside and seeing a *FACE* on the moon.
Hang on, if the moon has such a low mass, than how does it have an affect on the planet🤷♂️??
The moon doesnt have enough mass to do that...
Majoras or our moon?
Yeah, the gravity calculations use OUR moon not MAJORA's
majora's moon wouldn't affect termina as much as our moon would right?
Guys, its just an estimate
nope he just forgot about hes past hours of investigation
Wouldn't the moon have little to no effect on the tides or the orbit due to the fact that it is so much less massive than ours?
This is one of my favorite vids to this day
MadPat:what games do y’all want?
Internet:*YES*
Silly nitpick, but if you watch the game over cutscene, you'll see that the moon actually explodes before it even touches the ground. It's this explosion that destroys everything around it and kills Link, not the impact. The same sort of thing has happened during some asteroid “collisions” on Earth, where the incoming asteroid actually explodes in the atmosphere before even reaching the ground.
It still doesn't make a huge amount of sense in the grand scheme of things (the moon in Majora doesn’t have anywhere near the energy required for that), but it could maybe at least explain the destruction somewhat. Nuclear bombs are often designed to detonate before they hit the ground, to extend the blast radius. Maybe if we assume that Majora himself triggers the explosion that destroys termina from inside the moon then the resulting damage makes a little more sense; you’re then effectively looking at a 450 kiloton bomb rather than a 450000 ton piece of rock.
It’s still completely absurd, but perhaps just slightly less absurd. XD
Well, that wouldn't destroy the world. At least, I don't think it will. But the gravitational changes will wipe out the world.
@@adelaidejordes9125 Well, that brings me to another silly nitpick... We don't actually see the moon destroy the world, only the area surrounding Clock Town, which is maybe 100 square miles at most. A mass of 450 thousand tons would have absolutely no measurable tidal/gravitational effects on a planet big enough to produce essentially the same gravity as the Earth, but a bomb of the same size would easily level an area of
Do I have to read that all?
Alyssa Jordes hmm interesting
Call in Phil Swift
The thing that these folks have apparently overlooked is the fact that a "moon" of its mass would not have enough gravitational force to cause the sort of apocalyptic conditions that they've described.
To put this in perspective, I've calculated the force of the Terminian moon based on the numbers provided in this video:
2.97 x 10⁻⁵ N
For those of you who don't know scientific notation, that's a _fucking small number_. There's a reason why only massive objects have enough of a gravitational pull to make any real difference - gravity is by far the weakest fundamental force in the entire universe. It is directly proportionate to the inertial mass of an object. That creepy-@ss thing in the Terminian skyline does not have enough girth to annihilate virtually anything.
Yeah he makes so many inconsistencies it's almost like he hasn't played the game.
Deku Link Does games Hmm, I'm not sure if I agree with you on your latter point. I do think he's _played_ the game; I just think he sometimes forgets to take a few important variables into account.
Also when you think about it, If the scale of the world in Majora's Mask was the same in proportion to our world, there wouldn't be any tidal waves, since the moon's gravitational force is not strong enough to cause any influence on the body of water.
Deku Link Does games
That inconsistency isn't to do with the game, its just something that he hasn't seen with the information that he has already clearly obtained. Its to do with the fact that a smaller object has a smaller gravitational force, so its nothing to do with whether he's played the game or not, he just looked over a part of physics
Deus Ignis I wasn't talking specifically about this one, that comment was mostly geared towards his "Zelda timeline is wrong" video.
I love the use of Illusion of Gaia music usage at the end
The first time I watched this was 7 years ago and I thought his voice was normal looking back now at 2020. GOD IT'S LIKE LISTENING TO NAVI
If we are talking about a moon so light, would it even make that much of a difference? The Brooklyn bridge weighs like 20 million kilos and our planet seems fine to me.
Tyler Bennett the Brooklyn bridge isnt falling towards earth at a million miles an hour...
it is falling at 0.0001mph if you watched the video you dumb person
Was .0001mph What Wolvescast said?
SenseiJack he said a million mph
no he didnt
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Isn't that Kingdom Hearts II music, specifically "The World That Never Was" theme (called Sacred Moon)?
That was an utterly fitting choice. Well done, sir.
Yes it was sir, yes it, well, is from KH2
I KNOW I HEARD THAT TOOO
I fangirl screamed when I heard it!
Now let's not forget the new upcoming kingdom hearts 2.5 game :))))
Especially since that world had the giant heart-shaped moon.
It can't destroy the planet but it sure can destroy Termina...
Plus, there is the metaphoric logic.
I think it was a similar endeavour to Links awakening. He was somehow trapped in a deity and then forced to help so he could leave. Maybe Majora themselves? Or some sort of tree entity similar to the Great Deku Tree?