Redesigning The Miami Grand Prix Circuit
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- čas přidán 4. 05. 2024
- The Miami Grand Prix sucks. We all know it. And it's ironic that the race with the most over-the-top show off-track, is the worst race on-track. So let's fix it.
There are three features a track needs to have to be good for racing F1 cars, and we'll use those to create a much better layout whilst still being within the realistic confines of the car park that the track is built on.
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Welp. I don’t know what to say after that race… 🤣 Timing is impeccable as always 🤡. CONGRATS LANDOOOO
I told you Miami isn’t boring you should’ve listen to me
Bahaha. 1/3. Maybe you cooked. Maybe I gave an anti commentators curse on the race. Who knows 😂
@@jakemorganGP this video aged terribly
Bahha. You just can’t write it 🤣. But let’s be honest. The dafety car saved that race. No one could overtake apart from on the drs straights
Landooooooooooooooooooo
I have one thing: why do we need 3 Races in The US, but none in Germany? Nürburgring and hockenheim are top spots with a crazy crowd and history. Or in argentina. Or any east european country. Or india. Or some southeast asian country. Maybe new zealand. Theres so much so why 3 us grandprix? And yeah the chicane is horrible change it.
I 100% agree - look at the crowds in Germany for MotoGP. They love cars - it’s a crime we don’t race there anymore
@@jakemorganGP Especially when you think about that the Sachsenring isnt even a big well known track. Except for MotoGP and DTM theres nothing. So imagine this on two of the most prestigious Tracks.
@Ezmyi dude it’s such a sick track ad well. It’s got everything you need for F1 to race. AND elevation changes. Maybe once Liberty Media see its value now they own MotoGP they will try and get an F1 race there too
@@jakemorganGP you also excited for the new spanish half city track in 2026🫥
@@jakemorganGP unfortunately Germany stopped caring about F1 in 2007, attendance rates for Hockenheim and Nurburgring have been nothing short of sad
What would I change?
- delete the whole dang thing!
- an American
😂😂😂
Unfortunately that last mini chicane is a must have because there is no space for any kind of run-off leading onto the back straight. It has to be slow!
Yeah… maybe just make it earlier I guess…
@@jakemorganGP they can't move it back because track passes over the on ramp where it is at the ground level and basically any left it gets above the ground inside the first apex so there is nothing to drive on. And they can't go without that chicane because then track would have pillars from the off ramp above going straight through the center. Basically this chicane is used to get the track to the back straight while missing all the highway infrastructure.
@92Cuky_ I was looking at the 3d map and it looked possible. But maybe I’m mistaken. Either way the track should be replaced 😂
This aged poorly, really really quickly
Lol yup. But also the race was only good coz of that safety car. Otherwise the racing itself would have been trash. The track still sucks.
@@jakemorganGPVery wrong… Miami isn’t a bad track by any means. The races aren’t bad. The American hate is definitely real. Many overtakes happen there many hard breaking zones which provides good racing? Tell me what I’m missing
Safety car aside, the race was only good this year because cars were actually very close in performance which is not how F1 usually is (not to the degree we are seeing this year at least) hence why there were overtakes. But I agree it wasn’t terrible this year - it was a solid race.
I think there’s an element of recency bias here though. It’s still a bad race track - it’s had 1 “good” race in 3 events. We still need to give it time to conclusively say yes or no.
I by no means want any race to fail - I want all tracks to be successful but the characteristics just don’t quite seem to be clicking at the moment. Let’s give it a few more chances before we decide 🙌🏼
@@RacingIsLifeW🤪
@@jakemorganGP so maybe it’s not the tracks necessarily, it’s the cars or how some teams can’t keep up due to financial reasons
Lol. Meanwhile we just got the best race of the season in miami
My timing was impeccable 🤣. You just can’t write it lmao
best race of the season?? what tf did you smoke before you watched miami
@@lilbackpain1924 Name a better race than Miami this season lol
@TKCEDM that bar is so incredibly low though…
People think that having someone else win a race makes it the best GP of the season. Hamilton and Verstappen dominance has got us scarred fr 🤣
Bro legit if they just had a competent designer build the track it would all be fine
Get Adrian Newey on the phone dammit 😤🗣️🗣️
The chicane is there because it’s uphill and close to the overpass so the chicane has to stay for safety reasons
Great point. I’d say risk it 🤣
Fans should have 100% control on where F1 races on
We should get to vote for a few races from a list with multiple options in or out every year
How about just removing the Miami Autodrome entirely
Biggest brain F1 fan take 🗣️
Yeah I definitely prefer the options of fixing the tracks we have than removing them, especially the US ones.
I feel like a lot of European F1 fans don't understand the struggle of having 2/3 of the calendar be at unwatchable times. Replacing Miami with like Germany does nothing but make the sport even less accessible to watch here and F1's next big step they're taking is trying to grow in North America. Having these NA tracks is necessary, but improving them is where priorities should lie.
I agree. We need the US races. I just want them to learn how to make good race tracks asap 😂
@@jakemorganGP For real. I def think Vegas is nearly unsaveable but the changes you proposed for Miami make a ton of sense.
Well, firstly it's a global sport, so if USA tracks are getting in the way of Sepang, Kyalami, France and Germany (the latter 2 having huge influence in car history), than yes, they should be cut to one.
But, considering we keep 2 US races: why Miami and Las Vegas? They provided good races last time, but overall have a shitty layout and aren't technical. We could go to Sebring, Daytona, Watkins Glen, Road America or Indianapolis, that are far more competitive tracks, made for racing, not ticket sells
@@Eriksen-wp3tv Because the whole point is that F1 wants to grow the untapped NA market. The only way you can do that is through races that Americans can watch.
I def agree with your 2nd point though. I'd much rather see different US races than LV and Miami, but I think 3 is def a necessity on the calendar.
4:47, i see what you're talking about and why you 're talking about it with the widening of the corner, tho if cars are coming into that corner faster (due to the little straight you put before) a significantly big runoff area has to be constructed, and you'll have to take into account the space for that, too
100%. And they do have the space for it. Just gotta move the barriers back the same amount as the track is extended to ensure it meets the FIA Grade 1 Certification
Not the worst redesign I have ever seen online, leaving the first corner as is but tightening it could achieve what it does atm as a braking overtaking zone
Beyond that, making the radius of the corners generally go from larger to smaller might also help turn the continual corners where nothing happens, into spots where the drivers skill and placement can create variability, which in turn creates opportunities for overtakes
100%. Great point bro
In fairness, Miami is a street race. They can only do so much at the location they chose. They can make the track wider, but it is on main streets for traffic as well. It is like complaining about Monaco and saying it is not good racing, which is not so when is that video. If you want a new track, then it can't be at the hardrock stadium, which is the only reason there is a race in Miami. Is it too many in the us, maybe, but no one says that about the two in Italy. Plus, it is actually quite a good track in games, but that is cause more risk can be taken.
I understand your points but actually a lot of it is on a car park which has the run off painted over the grid lines. I made sure to only change those parts of the track so that it would be realistically feasible to make the changes.
But I agree that they need to change the location of the Grand Prix 🤣
The problem is the can mostly drive one line around maimi. So fixing the track won't do much. They need 1) let more cars race aeound this track for more rubber and grip or 2) make it that the track is less "green."
I think Vegas proved that having a ‘greener’ track makes things way more exciting - it’s another variable at play which contributes to making the driving more tricky
Great video! I honestly think turn 1-3 is fine. Could be a bit more open and flowing but it provides overtaking. Biggest change is I would make a monza style parabolica turn to replace the horrible turn 7 and 8. I partially agree with you on the back straight as i hate that area with the long right. I think that left-right chicane needs to be later so to promote more speed. and then i would keep the last chicane before the back straight but make the following left hander more flowing and open so as to promote more speed down the back straight.
Great points. Those changes could be decent.
Turns 1-3 were tricky tho - look at the Magnussen Sargeant crash. Yes KMag shouldnt have been there but it was too tight in t3 to risk that sort of lunge.
I would absolutely love the track going through the stadium.
Is there a way to build a temporary circuit part that goes over the grass without damaging it?
Just remove the grass innit mate 🤣. We can just add some on the outside if need be. The idea would be to keep all the grandstands and just put them right next to the monza style chicane so you get to see all the real overtakes a lot better
Everyone is blinded by Lando's win to realize the race was pretty trash by formula 1 standards, and it only got Lando his win because of safety car mistake. There were quite some overtakes in terms of this year but quite less for f1. The track is shit. And in that chicane part, people cant overtake so they HAVE to back off. So, NO, the racing is very bad here. Yes, I'm happy for Lando, but the race was by no means interesting or fun to watch.
Bro gets it
@@jakemorganGP YES!
That new Miami is lovely
Imagine they made the changes 😮💨
I swear to god the track doesn’t suck I promise ya it’s never bad
🤣 Are we still talking about Miami…
@@jakemorganGP yes i did a V8 Supercar hotlap on Assetto Corsa
And you like Miami? Fair enough 😂
@@jakemorganGP yes man I’m 100% sure look ik it’s been boring seeing Max winning there but why can’t F1 have like more support categories or maybe non f1 events other sport cars race there like Indycar
@ClayLewis797 i suppose that’s between the event organisers and Indycar rather than F1 to deal with. But it would be awesome to have a crossover weekend between Indycar and F1. A great collaborative way to engage fans into different sports. They often race at different times anyway so they wouldn’t be competing for viewership.
i like the concept of t1-3 irl because its a mirror of interlagos. Interlagos works though because of the long af sector 3 leading to it.
That’s the thing. But also it’s the elevation change and wider track at Interlagos that makes it raceable
I think Miami would be a good race if they added a Sepang-style chicane at T7-8 much like Sepang's T1-2, could promote another overtaking opportunity
Glad i am not the onlyone who want's to redesign this circuit. Your design was pretty good one but i would still make couple of changes.
New turn 1 is nice so i keep that
Fast sector 1 corners removed and in goes straight and hairpin corner.
Your Monza style chicane made Montreal wall of champion style right/left and wall very close.
Rest of the track as you have planned
Wall of Champions! I didn’t even think of that but it’s a great point!
Love the idea with the chicane and widening but it may not be feasible. State and federal highways/interstates are very strict with what can be placed and how far it is from the road making the widening really hard and the reason it’s very narrow at that part of the track. Also the it will be a crap ton of money because of the landscaping of the grass, (most of the parking lot is grass and not asphalt.
Great timing
Right?! Me rn: 🤡
How about every Tilke circuit?
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Haha. Out here on the grind. Not stopping til we take over the world 💪🏼😮💨
1:10 I think Vegas is a far worse example of f1 shoe horning a track in because money. Just think about it
True. But if the track can stay ultra low grip, I genuinely think it offered a fantastic and super different challenge for the drivers and the racing was actually ok compared to the 2 previous Miami races we had in ‘22 and ‘23
me personally I love Miami I think it’s a nice area bc it feels good a lot of the time there only problem for me is the chicane or at least where they put it
Fair. It was a good race this year - mainly because of the Safety car, but there were still some good overtakes (and the Alpines somehow managed to go side by side in that chicane idk how lmao). But it was only because the cars from 2nd to 15th are stupidly close in performance (like less than 2 tenths per lap)
I don't think your changes in the braking zones help at all, there are now no very hard braking zones in the corners you changed. Also for turn 1 I wouldn't change the corner of turn 1 but I would get rid of turn 2 and 3 and straight line that bit so it makes it easier to undercut the driver who is defending when the driver on the outside wants to cut back for a better exit. I think the "S" section is good, even if you make it wider there, there is no chance the guy behind would really give it a go on the outside there as there is too much risk of being squeezed out or getting a massive snap of oversteer. For the other section i diagree with your changes as your braking zone is not long enough to do anything it would just be single file and no chance of out braking anyone. What i would do there, would be to keep the braking zone maybe but the kerb on turn 11 a bit narrower so there is more chance for dive bombs, keep the weird long right turn but then straight line the section under the motorway which would allow the cars to keep closer together for the back straight. I think these changes would create better racing.
This is my proposition.
Anyway I like your thinking but practically it would probably make the racing worse as you got rid of most of the demanding braking zones.
I removed one slow corner sequence (1-3) and kept the other two essentially, so I havent got rid of heavy braking zones really.
If we think about Abu Dhabi’s turn 9, it promotes great overtakes side-by-side and I think that this would be the same thing hence why I went for Turn 1 being that. 2/3 is just awful for racing so I wanted to get rid of it.
And there’s still two heavy braking zones with the Monza-style corner and then the usual turn 11.
As for the s-section it’s always tricky and you make a good point but it’s about enabling drivers and I think this would encourage it slightly more than they currently look to do.
I like your idea about making the kerb narrower on turn 11 though - that would definitely encourage making moves there 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Love the video
Thanks :)
who let bro cook?
Hehe 😜
i disagree with most of this, i would say the only change is that stupid chicane and turn it into a straight with a wider longer 90 degree left hand corner
Turn 1 looked different when they proposed the track
Good point
Madrid is being "considered" to join the calendar
Yeah, but we all know what that means. It will probs replace Barcelona
My problem , Is the ticket prices . If F1 is trying to get the fans in the USA , the ticket price is going to turn people off . You can go to NASCAR races for what F1 race charges to park your car at the race track . I have boycotted the races in America . I really don’t think it will take off well . Very sad .
Let’s hope the price surge is just temporary
The 3 changes I would make are move it to 1 Road America, 2 laguna seca,3 Watkins Glen.
Miami Gardens is not Miami as people imagine it, it's a shit compromise as it was supposed to be downtown and its a shit layout. America has a dozen better venues. Even Indianapolis would be an upgrade
I have to agree with you mate - it’s a truly terrible location. But we’ll try to make the best of a bad situation I guess… 😅
I doubt modern F1 cars could widthstand the massive elevation changes at Leguna Seca, but would make for some intresting racing 😆
@camerona_ haha they’d probably beach themselves on the corkscrew 🤣
@@camerona_ Oh but they can withstand it, they already do it when racing in Spa-Francorchamps
...isn't madrid confirmed?
Icr 🤣. Maybe
Worst track is big cope with Vegas existing imo
Vegas wasn’t even a bad race tho?..
@@jakemorganGPyeah but it’s too ez
@gdlorenzodm5664 fairs. And the low grip fiasco really helped make it tricky for drivers
It’s not a bad track, It’s just American
What you got against America bruh? 💀
The qualifying crash was in 2023
My bad. Thanks for pointing it out
@@jakemorganGP No problem. I do think turn 1, while fantastic, wouldn't provide any good overtaking opportunities as it'd be flat out with tons of dirty air
@@benben3409 defo won’t be flat. Would be like Abu Dhabi Turn 9 which is is surprisingly good for overtaking
@@jakemorganGP Abu Dhabi Turn 9 came after a way longer straight and it would be way bigger
@@benben3409 fair point. They’ll have to make it and then we’ll know! 😜
Lando fixed it for you
Hehe. The race was good, ok, but without that safety car the race would have been rubbish still. The track is still really bad. What did you think of the changes I made? Yay or nay?
@jakemorganGP I definitely agree with the changes to the swooping corners and final sector, turn 1 change could work but maybe not. Overall I'd definately take the change.
@kart3347 cool. Glad I wasn’t just being dumb then 😂
*How I would improve this:*
- Delete this track & Las Vegas from the calendar.
- Add Hockenheim & Nürbürgring on the calendar instead.
@f1 take notes 📝
Interest from Germany for F1 nowadays is declining, and the US is a huge market and very diverse, so I think we should at least have another US race
@@Warren12 sorry but both the races and the circuits of Germany we raced on are way better than those of the USA, F1 should focus more on the history than on money. Besides, there is a race in Austin which is good enough.
I can't decide if this video was a joke or you actually took it seriously?
You made the whole first sector to be flat out basically, you ruined the overtaking opportunities. Like wtf?? Miami is already good for racing. There are circuits that are way less good. Look at the 2024 gp aswell, you could see, there were tonns of battles
I’m being serious about the track layout. Any circuit can give us a subjectively good race but the track isn’t good at all.
My new turn 1 is not flat and would be a better overtaking opportunity than it currently is. Think of all the amazing overtakes we’ve had at Abu Dhabi’s turn 9 or Qatar turn 1 - in what way are those corners flat 😂
The 2024 race was good for two reasons:
1) the safety car (which meant mixed strategies)
2) the cars are ultra close this year (which is unusual for F1)
I stand by the fact that the track is not a good layout - we got 1 good race of 3 so far. Next year will probs be good but 2026 I don’t see it happening
Abu Dhabi is worse
Not since they updated it. It’s actually been better than Miami. It’s not amazing, but it’s not as bad as this track
But how about an african track?
@Scratch.Supermariofan36 for F1 to be truly a ‘world’ championship, we need an african race asap. I think Eddit Jordan could do his thing and get something going there
Maybe Sudan?
@@Scratch.Supermariofan36 maybe - didn’t know there was a track there tbf
I hate to say it, but this solved nothing. The first turn being a sweeper destroys the point of a first turn, a slower corner where initial moves can be completed. The Monza chicane is simply awful, as the Monza chicane is. Straightlining the original chicane works. I do suppose the wider track works. But those first two changes I mentioned improved nothing and actually seemed to have made the circuit worse.
Abu dhabi turn 9 has had some great moves in recent years, as has Monza. I atill think it’d be better than having the original three corners
Honestly, just leave Miami. There is no need to have three Grands Prix here in the United States. (I could argue that F1 could just stop racing in the United States altogether [especially depending on what happens in our presidential election in November, for reasons similar to fans arguing that F1 shouldn't be in Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, or Bahrain {then again, I'm a trans woman, and the way the states of Texas and Florida have been attacking trans rights makes them undeserving imo of a Grand Prix}]). Sorry if I've gotten too political, I'll get off my soapbox.
-Sincerely,
An American
MGP, 2024 proved you 100% wrong. Your video didn't age well.
Bahahaa. 100%. But the track is still not great for racing. That race was massively helped by the safety car
@@jakemorganGP tell me again how many DRS zones on the circuit?
@@ErikS308 on my redesign?
@@jakemorganGP No currently. My point is there are a number of passing opportunities. The short corners keep the speeds down and ensure the race crashes are a bit more survivable. That is Monza and Imola have chicanes in odd places.
@ErikS308 all DRS zones are in the same place as before 👍🏼
Zandvoort is much worse
Is it tho?
@@jakemorganGP yes
Why?
@@Warren12 horrible corners that make no sense
@@tytsuw2320 maybe for f1 cars that are not well suited to them, otherwise they are great to me