Things That Annoy Commander Players | EDH Pet Peeves
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- We're going over some mildly annoying behaviors that can get under Commander players' skin! What are YOUR EDH pet peeves?
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"There is a limited amount of fun to be had, and it belongs to me" - storm and stax players, 2022
I find they complain a lot when everyone else tunes out and has a bunch of side conversations or starts playing on their phones.
@@RanDOmNumBErs108 thats because we want to monopolize the fun AND your attention
Most Storm players really mean no harm, they're just crazy scientist who don't know any better. I know how much I *loved* my Mizzix deck, it was the second Commander deck I've ever built and it had soo many cool lines to think through for my Johnny brain. But it was incredibly unfun for my opponents to see me "play with myself" for 15+ minutes and then ask them to resolve 20+ Ignite Memories - triggers.
This happens a bit with my korvold deck but I usually try to keep the turns quick so we can still play.
What REALLY pisses me off is when people play shit like grand arbiter unironically. How is this fun more than one game in a row. Yesterday I played a game vs a grand arbiter that lasted 2 fockin hours and he was the only one doing anything. The guy proceeded to play it again afterwards for another 2 hour game. I told him I wouldn’t play with him if he ran GA again
I’m a Hinata player that stacks and does crazy Splice onto Arcane stuff just for the sake of showing off something new. It’s not fair for us to be forced ti play basic strategies that only involve pumping creatures and swing sideways. Magic is a spectrum. You gotta respect that.
As someone who has only been playing for less than 6 months, I thoroughly enjoy people reading their cards when they play them. Basically everything is brand new to me and it makes me feel stupid asking every 5 seconds "oH wHaT dOeS tHaT dO?"
I've been playing at a casual level for years and I still appreciate when people do that. There's a lot of cards I don't know, people have all sorts of different decks and it's easier if the person quickly explains what the card does. If I play against that deck again I'll know
Had a game where I was CLEARLY the threat and was gonna win. Someone was going to attack me but then a friend moved his sandwich like 6 inches. He attacked him instead and it was hilarious 😂
Food is sacred.
you mess with the sandwiches you gon need to get stitches
😂
I have a completely different take about not ending a game. Actually I think your advice is kind of bad. I've done it a couple times. Specifically I remember not comboing off in a game where the "new" player was in a winning position and visibly excited about it. The most important part is to shut all the way up about it. If I had asked, like you two are suggesting it, what would he have said? To let him win instead? That would have been a very hollow victory at best. So I just didn't combo, nobody at the table ever knew that I could have, new player won, everybody was happy for him. That's how you do that!
Being able to read the room is a vital skill in settings like commander. I agree that you made the right play. Winning isnt everything. But now that hes won....death is allowed!
fr this is the wholesome route that inspires confidence and the next time you combo off will be so much sweeter for you only
this nice example doesn't invalidate their point
Regarding the Mansplainer thing, I would like to point out that there are also plenty of people who do the opposite - they rapidly play a land then a bunch of spells then pass, all without even saying the name of the cards as they play them.
Pretty sure the opposite thing is to accept criticism like an adult, though
Accept criticism?! What kind of society do you think we live in XD XD jk
Just pay attention. If you have any questions to this player just ask. If you don’t have any questions it speeds the game up.
I usually just ask if I don’t know a certain card like its really not a big deal to me if someone plays their turn out like I already know everything they did because we have autonomy and can just say “whats that do” if anything comes up that we don’t know. But for newer players or just unfamiliar pods I don’t really mind it
@@fulgurobaboon1321 nah, op was right. The opposite to over explaining is under explaining, but thanks for trying to explain that to us.
I'd prefer to have a "mansplainer" than someone who just vomits their cards on the table. I do not know every magic card. Reading it when it's played ensure the entire table now knows what it does.
Gotta love the guy that points at his card when you ask what it does.
If you're familiar with your group, I think it should be considered good manners to explain a card that's either don't appear that often, especially if it's about to change the board state for other players in a tricky way.
It may be annoying, but it is courteous. I appreciate the over explanatory courtesy much more than that person who's trying to hide their boardstate and pass.
I would rather a person read every card they play, to ensure that I know that they're playing it correctly. But also so every knows what the card does and if don't deal with it then they have no room to get mad.
@@malachivonschlegel2016 if someone does that they get the boot. Lol
I hate players that are the opposite of the mansplainer infinitely more! The players who just play their cards silently and expect everybody else to already know exactly what each card is. It’s fucking aggravating to say the least
The thing is they don't have to say anything. In a casual environment I can def see that being a pet peeve but at the end of the day it's not your opponents responsibility to inform you of what every card in their deck does.
I agree with this, because what ends up happening is every other player has to ask what they just did and what just happened, and that takes longer than the person just saying what they are playing in the first place. You have to think about people who are new to the game/format and aren’t familiar with even the most common cards, and you also have to think about visibility, and vision can be different for everyone. In a 1v1 game you have your opponent sitting across from you, but sometimes a person might have trouble keeping track of the player kitty corner to them.
It also keeps people from asking to hold your card and read it, obviously sometimes they will still do that, and I personally don’t have anything against letting a respectful person do that, but its faster to read the card then have every opponent pass it around the table to read to themselves. I also think reading cards aloud promotes a social interaction of the game, you don’t want the vibe to be four people huddled in their own corners saying nothing and might as well be playing against a computer.
A lot of the things they mention in this video are variations of misrepresenting your board, but this game has more than one zone, and I think not wanting to read a relevant card could lead to misrepresenting those other zones in some cases.
The only time I'll do this is when the other players in the pod are having a conversation over my turn and won't break it off to listen as I announce my plays.
@@Zelphiez Yeah, the problem here is the opposite extreme where they don't say anything at all and act surprised when players don't resolve their 30th spell for turn correctly
One of the worst experiences I’ve had was against a guy who said he was playing a combo deck (totally fine) but ran no tutors (also fine) so it would take him a bit of time to actually set up the combo (thus giving us time to interact with the setup).
He then won by tutoring for 3 combo pieces in one turn. I don’t care that he ran tutors or combos, what really bothered me is how he blatantly lied to the table for no reason other than to pubstomp us.
One side note about "scooping in response", if an opponent has you dead on board and decides to take you out, you should trade off anything they have before you lose via blocking or removal. It seems like a spite play on the surface but it presents a cost to the opponent which can affect their decision to take you out.
One thing people do the "scoop in response" is to prevent the the attacking player to get any kind of additional reward from that attack such as lifelink or other attack/damage triggers, also scooping in response to cards like insurrection where the person can completely change the course of the game. It's a spite play but more than that, it's changing the entire outcome of the game with the scoop.
100% agree with you. its not petty it part of the game goes hand in hand with threat assesment
What do you think about strip mining one of their lands on the way out?
@@robertt.4176 that's perfectly understandable and expected.
I prefer doing something that affects the boardstate on the way out and think it's better than scooping in response.
I actually don't like the fact that scooping can be done at instant speed. I've had times where I've went from a winning position to a bottom position because of scooping, Or have had my way of saving myself taken from me. While it does affect gameplay, it's almost 90% of the time done in spite.
Played a game against a grixis player storming off, only he didnt really know how to win because he just built the deck. The other player walked him through the lines because he was in his position in the past and had trouble winning and wanted to help out. In the end, the storm player won with guidance and i couldnt complain because it was pretty nice.
The one thing that stood out was the phone point. All things equal, I get it. But 10-20min opponent turns when you know what you're doing each turn definitely sees me pulling my phone out.
Cherry notes that he doesn't like when cards are flipped towards him, but I do this for two reasons:
1 - It helps to identify which creatures are still effected by summoning sickness
2 - It invites the other members of the table to read and see the card if they're unfamiliar
After a turn expires with the card upside down, I'll flip it around normally. I feel like it's a nice way to invite people to ask "can I read that" so that they don't do the pet peeve thing of taking the card without asking.
I do this too.
It helps other players read the cards I play.
If players are annoyed by this, its just their ego talking.
@@RJMM yeah not everyone's a veteran, not everyone "just knows what kerosene grip does" like if you know your friends are vets too fair enough but otherwise I assume everyone is relatively new and just let them look. It's hard to be new to magic, it's embarrassing to always ask what everything does so anything to help them out is good
I love this. Flipping summoning sickness cards does so many good things. Thanks for sharing 😊
In my opinion the most annoying thing in commander is when you interact with a specific player once and then they throw everything at your the rest of the game. A good example of this is when I attacked someone with a 1/1 and then they focused me the whole game after that.
Yep, they covered that with revenge and it's super pathetic when it happens.
I mean, I'm not defending it but even if you never play with that guy again everyone else knows not to aggro that guy first lol
You had it coming
Was the 1/1 ragavan by chance?
@@zakbrooks7354 ragavan is 2/1
For the targeting complaints I think sometimes it can be valid. If 1 or more people in your play group are clearly spending all of their resources to attack 1 person then a discussion needs to be had. I play with a couple and the first few play sessions they would avoid targeting each other and instead focused on me even when I had the weakest deck at the table. When I finally brought it up and pointed out that they were teaming up too often the problem lessoned and the games became more varied and fun.
For me, probably the biggest peeve is people not playing interaction.
Often this is paired with complaining about losing to hyperlinear aggro decks.
Especially when said players try to hold your turn hostage with guilt tripping "I hope you have removal or we're gonna lose"... Well then you should play removal and not expect everyone else to.
Alternatively, the aggro player not playing protection who then complains when something on their board gets removed
@@cameronrobertson9800 I don't mind having my aggro stuff removed, because it means people are actually interacting, rather than just playing solitaire.
I have experienced people complaining about wraths though, and I find it silly, rather than annoying.
This entire thread 👍👍
I’ve had bad experiences where I’m not playing the best deck at the table, but the other 2 who aren’t either play zero interaction and I have to singlehandedly fend off the best deck’s plays so we don’t all lose meanwhile the other 2 players do jack squat and after I run out of interaction we all die
1 of my biggest pet peeve is when someone can win the game at the moment and doesn't
And when someone tries to deal with their board, the person threatens to win
that's just childish.
People that put their lands up top don’t deserve birthday shout outs in my humble opinion.
They deserve to be loved to a level that makes them uncomfortable
"Non-creature permanents whose use may reasonably be associated with either the land or nonland area (e.g. an artifact whose only ability is a mana ability) may be located in either area, provided the overall layout is, in the judgment of tournament officials, clear. However, permanents that are also creatures (e.g. artifacts with March of the Machines on the battlefield, Dryad Arbor, or a Treetop Village that is currently a creature) must be placed in the nonland area. Players may not use other cards to intentionally obscure the presence of a permanent in any area of the battlefield."
THIS
I DO sometimes play simulated 4-player games with myself just to test some changes I made to my decks. I do have to admit that I just give up when the boardstate gets too convoluted and it’s too hard to pretend like I don’t know the cards that each "player" has in hand.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who does this.
I think one that really gets on my nerves that you brought up is when people stack all of their lands on top of each other in one pile, I've seen people cheat on mana this way before and unless someone notices they don't get caught.
I do this and Its actually super bad because sometimes it'll screw me over by tapping down the wrong lands. But I think it's the best way save space on the board
@@joseavalos2661 All you have to do is stack them horizontally to where people can see the edge of the card and artwork so they can count how much mana you have as well as usually tell what kind of Mana that land produces.
Yeah that and when they play impactful lands and don't say what they are. Drives me wild.
only time i do this is after i play a lands tap for any color card so the base card doesnt matter anymore
My pet peeve is when you have a pet card in your deck that you play, you're excited about it because you love the card not because it's a great card that's gonna have any real impact on the game immediately or in the near future and somebody removes it with no good reason. Example playing scute mob while also having a vorinclex or atraxa on the battlefield and someone removes the scute mob instead of the actual threat.
Someone's never fought a scute swarm on a landfall deck.
I've gotten like 1000 of them over the span of 5 turns
@@rhysofsneezingdragon1758 scute MOB, not swarm, obviously scute swarm is a win con. Scute mob is a different card
As someone who's only been playing for less than a year I explain what my cards do and appreciate when others do as well. Not reading the text verbatim unless it's short, just it's ability. However, I try to make my turn as quick as possible while doing so. I find myself asking "and what does that do" or asking if I can read someone's card if they don't.
Revenge play or king making is more annoying. A player in my pod always tries to make me win when it's clear he's gonna lose. I dislike it and continue to encourage him to always try to win for himself.
My biggest pet peeve is someone sitting down at a casual pod and playing a very non-casual deck.
While a bunch of new players have shown up at my LGS the past month, some of them have very… unfun or very competitive decks or they just claim “oh it’s only power level 5” when it’s an 8+.
We even have special pods you can sign up for for playing competitive with prizes.
Or I don’t know, maybe winning turn 4 is just casual nowadays with all the power creep.
Edit: also revenge play yeah. I have one friend who heavily focuses me because I mind slaver locked him once 2 years ago (with his own deck)
LOL IKR died to a person's ''casual'' Kinnan deck on T3 ;p
In addition to grabbing cards, also be gentle when you do. I was at my LGS once where someone kept reading another guys cards (ok whatever) but was flicking/bending them back onto the table. He was called out for it like 5 times too, it was borderline awkward to witness...and the culprit kept claiming it was all accidental
Yikes, definitely be respectful of others stuff
My personal rule with scoops is: if your scoop affects the *current* board/someone's hand (if they drew from your deck) in any way at all you don't scoop. You shouldn't scoop if it hurts someone else, even if you won't win. If you really want to 'scoop' we have a rule to "auto pass" where whenever your turn comes we pretend you just skipped. You can do whatever you want as if you'd scooped, but mechanically you're still in the game so you don't mess with everyone else's stuff
The way my friend taught me how to choose threats was to usually defend yourself or something that interrupts your gameplan/strategy and when i played a spell, he just says “ok now choose your targets, you cant take it back once you choose because we play official rules. So ill analyze and choose and then he’ll say “not bad, ill tell you what you could’ve did after the match” and then he’ll give me a synopsis on basically what i can do for next time to get better and improve. sometimes i see plays after i screwed up or later but you should be responsible for your own triggers, errors, misplays and grow as a player.
I do hope this was in a tournament. If your friend is making you wait until the end of the game to explain everything you did wrong in a casual game, it will make it difficult to learn. It is much easier to correct when you can see the exact board state in front of you. Sure "tough love" can teach you, but it can also frustrate you and make you quit.
I witnessed a situation in a tournament recently that was similar. A player didn't know the interaction between a couple of the cards. His opponent is one of the main judges in the area. He asked the judge opponent if the interaction worked. The opponent said yes. He just didn't say that the interaction didn't DO anything (think casting Terminate on an Indestructible creature - you can cast it, but it won't do anything). So when the player made the play, the opponent's response was "I'm your opponent, not the judge." While he did nothing wrong by the rules, most of the group agreed that the opponent was a dick for misleading him. He could have said "ask the tournament judge," but instead effectively used his status as a sometimes judge to gain advantage by letting the player rely on his ruling. If you have to resort to "rules lawyering" to win, then you are saying that your skill isn't enough. "Gotta go for the 'W', eh Gordo?"
@@markp7262 nah its perfect because he’s never actually telling me how to play or what i I’m supposed to be doing. Im my own separate player and he’s different from me & we all have our different styles. I’ve never gotten frustrated because the tough love approach is better as you learn. Even if you cast a terminate on an indestructible creature, you made your choice and it helps you learn how the interaction is and next time you’ll know not to do it again. Especially in a tournament you’ll know to use exile or -1/-1 counters on an indestructible creature because you’ll have your own experience seperate from his or you’re or whoever because everyone has their own funny story behind when they screwed up. Those stories are the cool thing can help other ppl not make the same error you did and everyone learns differently than how you do. Even if some leads you for being gullible you have to learn to be more aware around the table and be wise enough to think for yourself or just simple ask multiple people for their opinion on a situation and make your choice.
Personally if someone asks "can i use terminate on an indestructable creature" and anyone says yes, then im never playing with that person again from that moment and beyond.
@@abitofsupport601 nobody would ask that question, you can ask SHOULD you use terminate on a indestructible creature because your intent to remove the actual threat is correct and you just answer with no because it wont die but you need a different way to remove it. Cuz in a tournament if your choice is made to target an indestructible card resolves and you chose targets then you just fked up and nothing happens because its still a legal target 🤷🏾♂️
Maybe the Terminate/Indestructible example was a bad one; I was simply looking for an easy interaction that "wouldn't work". The actual one was more complicated than that (though I didn't hear the exact question, so I can't say for certain). The issue was that the player asked the opponent if something worked how he wanted it to, and the opponent, knowing that he was being asked as a judge, misrepresented the answer instead of telling him to ask the tournament judge. Because of the wording of the question, the answer was valid, but still a shady way to play. When I've won tournaments, it's because of my deck and play, not because I called the judge at 49:59 to get my opponent DQ'd because he hasn't actually sat down yet.
I feel like every turn in my play group takes ages because whenever a permanent is targeted with removal the owner(mainly two players) makes a big fuss and tries to point another permanent as the problem. They also say(somewhat jokingly) “aw can’t believe this targeting!” And the entire rest of the table. Responds by saying something like, “it’s not targeting it’s just proper threat assessment.”
Yeah politics kinda ruins multi-player games, even tho it's what makes them special.
We all do that as a joke and then take our lumps lol
You can try this house rule "only the person that is about to attack or cast a spell/ability can start a deal"
Yeah they always make try to make me, feel bad for targeting. But I am always like your the only one who can hurt at the moment
God that sounds annoying
Joe: Rules lawyers are awful, it doesn't matter
Also Joe: spends 5 minutes talking about how you're not allowed to tap mana rocks beside lands
I mean, you're right to compare, but that isn't about rules. That's about play methods and cheating (accidently or not).
That was definitely more related to cheating than a care for rules being played out. Too often does a boardwipe come up, and then all of the rocks go unnoticed until 10 minutes later when the player tries to do something with them.
The rule exists because of someone doing just this in a tournament, a player put a dryad arbor in the land spot and won because the opponent swung in without realizing they had a dryad arbor until they suddenly put it in the creature spot and went "well I have a blocker now."
My group use to play with only proxies.
But..... we followed a budget of $300
All of the cards had to add up to that price and we used card kingdoms highest market price as the guide.
I think this is a great way to play kitchen table magic with friends
"I wouldn't do that in constructed magic" is a really good point. I was frequently the grabber.
Yeah, complaining about being targeted… I agree! Personally, I usually enjoy being targeted because it means the rest of the group realizes I’ve put down a massive threat and now I have to work around not having a particular combo piece. In fact it can give me an opportunity to find improvements I could make. Alternate win conditions or redundancies for combo pieces.
I called out the table about this one time. I got ahead as Breya and they (appropriately) decided to handle me, but then even after I had been put back in line everyone was still targeting me. I asked they take a threat assessment of the table and they look over and the third player who, really wasn’t participating in taking me on, had been building towards a winning board state, ignoring everyone else. Promptly kicked his ass and gave me a turn to try to recoup lol. Sometimes they can be a little tunnel-visiony, lol.
I had to have a discussion with my play group (3 of us) early on because the other 2 players are in a relationship and were refraining from upsetting the other by focusing on me. The only time I didn't mind was with my vampire deck because it is easily the strongest deck on the table when I play it. In the end they saw they had been teaming up even unintentionally and the games became much more fun.
Yall mentioned "reverse pubstomping" in cedh, that is unironically one of my biggest pet peeves. When you all say youre going all out, and one or two people sit down with decks WAY below what we said we were doing. Now obviously sometimes newer players dont know and other times a player has convinced themselves their deck is a 9 when its really a 5-6, but its frustrating when you expected a 4 player game and 1 or 2 people are irrelevant because theyre playing at a much lower power level.
Going right in hand with that, being the only person at the table playing any responses. This is probably just a me pet peeve but maaaaan is it annoying when youre the only person whos playing any answers and have to police the entire table all at once. That could speak just to my playstyle, im sure a no-response arms race is fun for alot of people, but its def not for me lol i like playing an interactive game.
I know how you feel talking about feeling like the table police. I feel so annoyed when I'm in a game and it becomes obvious that I'm the only one running instant speed removal.
On another note though, what seems to happen more often in my semi rotating playgroup at my lgs, someone will remove something that is midly helping a player gain a very small advantage over a lot of time. Meanwhile I'm practically begging them not to do it because the esper player is playing so hard into artifacts and extra turns that a time sieve is inevitably being played. They ultimately stick with their decision and we proceed to lose to time sieve soon after. I hate it and it makes the game feel like a waste of time.
Hnnggg well hopefully you get to shuffle up for another game quicker
“You’re just gatekeeping edh from people who are new or don’t wanna play cedh!”
I mean if im playing Roger/Tymna i already brick if i dont win by like turn 3
Glass cannon turbo decks are a thing
They are. But if youre in a cedh pod and people start playing spells like exploaive vegetation thats usually a sign they arent playing at that same power level. Obviously there are times a cedh deck doesnt open well, those arent the times being discussed here
18:44 "the cards that are important are not the lands..."
Me looking at my $500 deck with $300+ of it being mana base: 👁👄👁
Was thinking this too lol
Same. If I have a tabernacle bazaar and cradle in my reanimator deck you better believe those are more important.
Extra turns are like when your older brother tells you that you can play Halo with him but he gets 3 deaths per turn and you get 1
My biggest pet peeve is people that complain about everything.
Oh you're so clever!
Rules lawyers bother me too, like them people who say “it’s the rules of magic that lands and rocks have to be separated” 🤣
Especially when it's not an actual rule
Not a "rules lawyer" myself, but I do prefer lands and non-land permanents to be separated and visible so it makes it easier when myself or another player has interaction.
@@zepfan51 I think we all do. But claiming that the rules force you to do so is dishonest enough to turn your hairs blue
@@fulgurobaboon1321 I hear ya there. Nothing worse than someone being a rules lawyer without citing the source or asking a judge.
The phone thing is probably my biggest peeve. A little under a year ago I got to play my first edh game in years. This one player was a young female who just wouldn't get off her phone even during her turn, and kept talking to us about stuff like what do you think he meant by this, you know standard teenage girl talking to a crush thing, which is fine she was likely a teenager. But her turns took ten freaking minutes. If we were lucky. And she'd interrupt other turns with the same. And this was my first chance to play in years. Eventually my nco called me in for work related stuff and never even got to finish the game, and haven't been able to play again since.
Idk if it counts as soft locking, but pacifying an opponent's Rankle, Master of Prankles is still one of the funniest things I've ever done. Shut his whole game plan down and he was pissed.
Waiting for y’all’s video to drop everyday so I can listen to it during work is probably the most excitement I get lol.
The one thing that allows annoys me, when there's already so much on the table, is one person going "Did I play a land this turn" or after bunch of things happened, or even went into someone else's turn already and they go "Oh hey, I think I forgot to draw cards from this", when we don't even remember if they did already or did not.
I played a pod where the guy next to me was missing several land drops, so I played pir's Whim and declared his friend so he'd hopefully be able to actually get in the game and have some fun.
Regarding the Mana Rocks in Lands thing, I know I generally put my mana rocks together in their own stack in the back, much like where I would put my lands, although I keep the Mana Rock stack seperate from my lands stack. So far, I've found this system works quite well, but curious to know what you think of it.
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I do this. No one ever cares.
My thing is there 5 people playing and had put my mana rocks with lands there no room
I place them on the left side, right above the lands.
They’re mana sources with no additional activation costs. They can be blended with lands to also help you and others with the mana count. OTOH, artifacts like springleaf drum or Phyrexian Altar should be displayed apart from lands hence they have alternate activation costs.
For the ugly tokens, I think an okay budget solution is sticky notes. Write down what the thing is and put the power/toughness in the bottom right corner of the sticky note. If you can draw, make a cool doodle, too! Or, if you're able to, go to an online card proxy website and make paper cards that you can print and cut out to put into some extra card sleeves you might have laying around. I don't think it's necessary to buy custom tokens or spend extra money as long as you have something consistent that everyone understands and is okay with.
That's a good idea. You could just print out/cut images you like to represent whichever token. Definitely going to do that next time I need a new token.
@@wtfr3nch I think it's all about consistency. If you can make something that can be read the same way as a normal card, I don't see any reason why it can't work. I used to use sticky notes as tokens when I could only afford to play commander with a precon and only had 1 deck. If my deck popped off and happened to make a ton of tokens for whatever reason, I always had stacks of sticky notes laying around to turn into tokens, since I used to use them to keep my life organized before I learned to adult.
The exact situation with Aetherflux reservoir happened to me. The guy had 60 life and passed, and because I knew someone had to take a hit, I cast a tutor to get an answer. I died immediately, but the person after me took out the reservoir player. I got last, but it was very funny
I’m curious to know if you think you would have been able to take out the reservoir player in that game if he would have killed the one who ended up taking him out first.
My logic is that if you spent your resources answering it, then you’d maybe be less likely to kill him than the guy who essentially got to spectate.
@@Jacob0128 The issue was that nobody COULD kill him that turn cycle. Because he was at 60 life and nobody was as set up as him, the only way to pressure him into doing something was to threaten the AR. The funny thing is he was probably better off just letting me kill it so he wasn't stuck at 10 life
Similar times, my buddy gets aetherflux out and never gets above even 55~ life. I’ve lost more games to that card than any other in my playgroup. Even if another player threatens him with life loss or artifact destruction he just nukes me in response and dies the next turn. Drives me nuts cause he always throws his game just to make sure I lose
The revenge play one plagued my playgroup at one point. I had a friend that graduated and either gave away or sold all his cards and all of a sudden, we started having fun again. The threat assessment one is also really annoying.
The newer player in my group can get pretty revengeful when any of their creatures are killed or if my Etali deck plays any of their cards. I had to have a discussion about it because it was taking away from the fun when they would target me for the rest of the game after I took out one of their bigger creatures while the 3rd in our group was amassing an army lol. One time I had an artifact that would exile the top card of each opponents library and I could play a non land from them which is a gamble since I can exile all lands. They instantly destroyed it instead of the enchantment on the other players playfield that was letting them draw multiple cards a turn which led to them building a massive board state of merfolk with hexproof.
Our LGS has a house rule: If you want to use a proxy you must have the actual version ready to show people if challenged. It lets some of us have only one copy of a good card, but use it in multiple decks...
those who always has 'next turn lethal' or 'if I draw that you will never have a chance' hit me very hard
This reminds me of one game where I had 3 lands that cast for colourless and 1 for white and I was mana screwed. I only drew into my green or 2 white mana creatures and couldn't play anything. I was laughing the entire game, mostly because I found the situation to be hilarious.
Two pet peeves.
People who don’t plan their turn ahead and take way too long figuring out how to play their turn.
People who play creatures and never swing at players with them. The people who “chill” on their turns and don’t do shit. I see this happen way too often. People are like scared to attack somebody due to revenge. UGH.
I need my blockers and or the effects my creatures give. I'll attack when the time is right. Revenge is for game two.
@@TheSuperReaper I’m talking about early game where people have open board states and still refuse to attack. This makes games incredibly long for no reason. Pick a person to attack. Why even play creatures lol. Can’t stand people who sit back for absolutely no given reason.
@Plus Phrames I can understand that. Swinging your 1/1 on turn could make the difference. It's one life, but if your playing someone like me, life total is just a resource until your at 10 or below. And in emergencies only go down to 6. Can't just get lightning bolted and shocked out of a game.
I've got the box of tokens all my decks make. Makes life easy
Thanks for bringing up my proxy point. You both got it down perfectly, I'm not getting mad, it's just weird. Thanks for including that in the video. Great content as always!
it’s just people saving money rather than playing the magic stock market and potentially getting screwed by a reprint
@@scott5087 That's why I said I don't mind proxies. I encourage them, actually. Just bring it up before we start and I won't care at all.
Proxy aren't a problem. Playing proxies of super powerful and expensive cards that others don't have is the problem. Rule 0
@@joshholmes1372 Yup! Exactly.
I am with you guys on the hostage situation. One time my brother played Child of Alara and I just immediately blew it up. Easier to rebuild now anyway lol I am not going to walk on eggshells for 5 turns that's just uncomfortable, I will charge the gun everytime.
NPN warms my cold dead heart at the end of a long week
In all fairness planning ahead can change not based on what's in my hand but what others play ahead of my next turn. But yes pace of play matters for enjoyment.
On the topic of extra turns: I have a sefris deck that was ~really~ good at venturing the dungeon. But I finally just took that deck apart BECAUSE of how good it was at venturing. In one turn I’d venture on average 10 times and my turns would take way too long. I’d win plenty, but it just wasn’t fun for anyone
Absolutely feel that, I built shrine tribal, it’s powerful, but I rarely play it because there are so many deck searches and additional mechs that I got tired of it.
revenge plays, suboptimal threat assessment, ending the game whenever i see fit and attacking however i like (yes, even randomized) are the heart and soul of casual edh my guys
Because the "heart and soul" are decrepid and unfun.
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My biggest pet peeve is when people do not speak up, and choose not reading cards they play for an advantage against others. It's cringe. I'm targeting your board directly if you can't say what you put on the battlefield.
As someone who has played magic for 20 years u pick up there cards and read it getting mad because someone is not reading cards is absolutely ridiculous your in a format of everything ever made either learn all common cards or get over it
@@trashtronics1700 I'm going to assume you have maybe 10 braincells. The grammar is also a showing sign. Good day.
@@trashtronics1700 Just a second note on how moronic it is to have your opinion. I personally have been playing for 10 years. Every day there are new players. If you want to try to pull a fast one on some newbies for a arbitrary win then I guess go ahead and continue living in such a small shell.
I just had a game where a sefris player was popping off with a Radiant Solar with a Voidwinnower as backup and the other two players were on their phones because either turns were taking too long or whatever. Eventually I find a line of play (Urza's saga for a Soul-Guide Lantern with another piece of removal) and I ask for help to like... deal with the Voidwinnower and the answer was for the dude on his phone to... Vandalblast the board when the Sefris player had no artifacts and said "oh I was trying to answer something" then went back to his phone after that.
I don't mind mana rocks being in the land zone so long as they are still separated out from normal lands. Same with the artifact lands
a couple different people in my play group consistently do some of these its funny to hear you guys talking about it.
For the "Don't give unsolicited advice" bit, I usually put it forward as a question to give them the benefit of the doubt that there was a reason. "Hey, is there a reason you didn't X?" tends not to grate as much.
the way things are said drastically affect the situation
I like to point out "options" if I notice a better line for someone to achieve something. Like tapping mana a more efficient way. Not trying to control their turn, but help them if they miss something. I phrase it more like "if you wanted to, you could do it this way...."
That is a great topic. I hate when people give wrong rules information. I had that happen to me a lot. then you have a discussion about it and at that point I just do not want to play anymore (even if it is not effecting me)
I think a flip side to not planning your turns ahead is over thinking. I have a bad tendency to plan a play ahead of time, then create plan B-Z just to end up defaulting to the plan A I had in the first place. It’s also embarrassing…
I always say that randomized attacks is the cowards way out. Make a choice! Glad that got mentioned.
Lol depends on the play group some people get to salty
@@letsgodigiv5615 that's their problem. I get way saltier for someone attacking me because a die told them to rather than because they perceived me as the threat.
Proxies are usually fine with me with the following caveats: Proxy to match the power level of the table. Proxies should clearly identify the card they are and be distinguishable from other cards in your deck. (No mono white decks with plains as proxies)
I can forgive people not paying for Tithe/Rhystic. That's because I won't always pay so I can feign holding interaction. Like I'll hold 2 blue and make the Rhystic player go "Is he gonna counter my big play?". With Tithe it's even more effective, because they might need the extra mana to make the play. They'll always dump all mana into a turn 5-6 Ur Dragon if they see no threats, but they won't always push for the turn 4 Ur Dragon if they see me keeping enough mana to interact, for example.
However if I know my hand will be empty, I won't hold that mana, it makes no sense.
"Good thing you won, I was gonna do THIS and THIS and then THIS next turn!" I know a guy, after every single game, always...games I've won he takes over with how he WOULD'VE won next turn. It's like 'okay man, but you didn't. I did. So shut up.'
Sometimes I would say occasional mild undirected complaining would be legitimate... I used to have a Jeskai deck built round the Awaken mechanic so a fun silly deck... But it was invariably hated out of the game as everyone at the LGS hated every Jeskai commander "on principle"
Number 1 thing that annoys me? Never being able to guess the Moxfield shoutout
About the land counting thing. I know some folks might not be doing this but in my situation I have adhd and I simply “forget” even immediately after counting.
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I shouldn't be surprised but yall really hit it all I can't think of any other peves beyond the ones yall listed
The problem I have with power level/pubstomping/rule zero conversations is that it's a matter of perspective. A player who plays a $50 upgraded precon and destroys his playgroup constantly will say, "This deck is strong, I win a lot with it". So when I bring out an optimized Chainer, Nightmare Adept deck, which from my perspective, is a lower power level than say, a %100 optimized Aesi deck with fetchlands, crucible of worlds, and craterhoof behemoth. Suddenly I'm pub stomping with Chainer. Never tried to, we communicated clearly what level we were playing, but our perspectives were mismatched.
I feel like playing against you two would be fun and I can learn a lot from you two
Ooooooooh scooping in response. I got a one sentence story that sums up my thoughts:
I had a Narset player Armageddon then scoop.
Context: we agreed to play high level (borderline cedh) and he was talking up how cEDH his deck was, middle of the game he’s doing absolutely nothing cause he’s mana screwed, gets Narset on the field, swings, mystical tutors for Armageddon and scoops after playing it. He thought it’d slow the game down even more but I had a Nyx Lotus on the field and had a high amount of devotion.
On another note, one thing I hate is when people don’t call their triggers. For instance this guy (who made it known he would focus me out) was blowing up artifacts from something but not calling where. He keeps blowing my stuff up and asking if it resolves, I have a Teferi planeswalker on the field and isn’t saying a thing cause “it’s my responsibility to know.” I don’t go to the shop often but when I do I always get stuck in a pod with him which I loathe cause it always just turns into games where I have to focus on him regardless of the threat for my own progress.
When you mentioned attacking with lifelink and the player scoops in response to spite the attacker to not gain life I have been in the situation several times. It hasn't happened as me as the attack but when someone does that I do the same thing which is to allow the player to gain the life anyway. I my opinion you should never scoop. Not because you have no chance of winning but the thought that you don't contribute to the game is never true. You are 40 life that your opponent has to go through. If you see that you are dead to an attack and scoop, especially at instant speed, then you are allowing that player to no longer have to attack you to then go after other players. You allow that player that was already ahead to get further ahead. I have seen it so many times where if a player didn't scoop they would've died to the attack but then the player would've been forced to attack them. Instead they scoop because they don't think they have a chance and it allows that player to attack me instead and it puts me out of the game where I could've had 1-2 more turns to find an answer or out had they not scooped. You started the game with intention to play the game. You are a player in the game regardless of your draws, regardless of your starting hand. To say you contribute nothing is a copout to justify your decision to leave the table.
I get it, sometimes things come up and you have to leave early. But do not leave because you aren't drawing well and you want to join a different pod or you want to go look at cards to trade. As you can tell by the rant this is definitely a pet peeve of mine.
I feel most, not all, of these complaints are mostly annoying with strangers. My playgroup does most of them and with close friends (enjoying the game casually for a good time), it feels way less annoying. Especially that one friend that will hold grudge if being targeted. He built his reputation for almost 10 years now playing Gishath... We play with the Monarch always on the board (1st blood gets it) and it happens often that we will purposely not attack him to avoid his wrath. It's legendary at this point... We did came up with the dice rolling for random targets to mitigate his aggro and so far it worked XD.
On the Bad threat assessment front, I hate when people waste their time killing my mana-dorks or low CMC creatures. Only to not have an answer to something nasty like Sheodred or Tegrid.
They might be hoping for a cheese win thinking you need the mana dorks and think you'll stall out without them. Lame way to play imo but I know a lot of people that would always do that
The thing I hate the most is when someone misrepresents their power level, rofl-stomps me because of it, then when I'm packing my cards up or shuffling or whatever, I'm stuck listening to them showcase what's in their hand or whatever they were going to tutor for or combo into. Dude, you won, I get it, I don't care about everything your deck can do. The game is over. You wanna show me? Do it in game in a more even match.
I will get on my phone to be petty when someone's taking a 10-minute turn. When they're not self-aware enough, it's even funnier.
Also about counting lands, I will say as a person with pretty bad ADHD I do that a lot, especially late game. I'd rather recount lands than realize I don't have the mana mid-turn (and possibly have to backtrack moves).
Great video topic! People need to be aware of these things.
I play Moxfield with four tabs open all the time, love it, it's a great way to see if I actually want to build the decks IRL
Actually Cherries, the exact place that specifies lands must be behind creatures, allows mana rocks to be among lands it says
Non-creature permanents whose use may reasonably be associated with either the land or nonland area (e.g. an artifact whose only ability is a mana ability) may be located in either area, provided the overall layout is, in the judgment of tournament officials, clear. However, permanents that are also creatures (e.g. artifacts with March of the Machines on the battlefield, Dryad Arbor, or a Treetop Village that is currently a creature) must be placed in the nonland area. Players may not use other cards to intentionally obscure the presence of a permanent in any area of the battlefield.
I do agree with your points, as I've 100% accidently not had my mana rocks be destroyed (and I don't even normally keep my mana rocks with my spells but sometimes tapping for spells gets them mixed up)
we don't like rules lawyers around here ;D
@@sirbobbya i was making a referential joke
last game I played it was my turn, I had priority and player to my left was just like "While you are figuring out your play I'm going to brainstorm" I was like woah what are you doing, you cant just cast stuff out of turn", and they accused me of rules lawyering. there is no pleasing everyone I guess...
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I feel the soft locking joined a pod and no one told me power level turn 2 some one had a card that was indestructible and prevented people from casting 3 or less so I couldn’t do anything cause of my deck. Just scooped
Thumbnail with the Infuriate art was a very nice touch.
On the telling people how to play their deck, I do that occasionally but I try to be good about it. I am often explaining interactions or rules that newer players did not know about. Or, because I help people make decks I am explaining to them some of the synergy I built into it that they don't see. But I try to do it in the same way I would explain things about a board game that I knew better than someone.
I've done this, even in the middle of a tournament, with newer players. Many times it is regarding the timing of spells ("you don't have to cast your Giant Growth before you attack, you can wait until after I assign blockers"). If I'm helping a player to learn, they aren't quitting in frustration, and the community grows.
Ironically, the guy who plays MLD in our pod without it being a win is the same guy who hates Cyclonic Rift!
As a Karador combo deck i can plan out my turn then top deck something. I need to plan the line to make sure I have enough resources. Plus a lot of my lands are utility so I need to figure out if I have enough mana to cast and sac, or reanimate and sac, and how to do it. Thats why i go through my lands 4 times. Not to count but to visualize the lines im calculating.
However a lot of these fall into the two categories of advance the game state and be a good opponent.
Things that i hate are “you play blue you die first” or you play combo so you die. Even if im extremely out of the game.
Or if someone paths my llanowar elf and i have nothing else on board and someone is actively showing lethal. Or kingmaking. Just why.
8:16 lands in front are generally used by extreme lands matter decks where they are sacrificing a lot of them for value and recuring them. Thats the only time when I see them played up front and not back row
It's more annoying when people take issue with proxies than it is when people don't mention they're using proxies before a game.
If you don't want to play against proxies in the wild you're playing the wrong format
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The discussion on power level is always tricky. At my LGS the rule zero rarely happens, I generally start with a ‘7’ and change decks based on the results aiming for a %25 win rate.
When somebody taps one of my cards with their fingernail I wanna punch them in the face.
I'm definitely guilty of mana rocks with lands and had no idea that was actually against the rules!
But what are going do when you have no room at the table my play group had 5 people it just be some else bored
It's actually not, though. Yeah, keep them separate from your lands, but table space can be limited, so putting them beside your lands would work just fine.
In terms of not paying for Rhystic, I set up the illusion that I don't want to pay for it to keep mana open for a Mana Tithe, or a Lapse.
I had a game where a player had the win on board but did not see it. When i mentioned the line to him, he proceeded to win.
The other 2 players went on to abuse me because i helped him win.
It was not exactly help, he had the win already, i just pointed it out.
It wouldn't feel right beating this guy, simply because he did not see it.
However i should not be abused by the other 2 for doing so.
the other 2 players are not good people to play with. you did well, it will improve the way the guy that won sees the game.
You did the right thing
Sounds like casual formats aren’t for them
The biggest pet peeve is playing remotely and one player boardwipes and then scoops with a dumb excuse like I gotta feed my cat
Biggest pet peeve? Playing lands out front.
I don't know, guys. This list feels too nitpicky. Some of these peeves feel a little gatekeeper-y because people who play seldomly (like me) would never know these things. Seasoned players could just focus on being chill.
I mean, they're pet peeves, not unforgivable sins.
This has nothing to do with gatekeeping. Just plain shared or relatable experiences and because you hardly play you can't relate.
nah, man. I just inow that the dudes I play with can be socially inept and so will do things that are socially unacceptable. As a result, I try to be always in a fully forgive and forget mindset. I would ask that other seasoned players do the same for me. If I don't recognize a win con or take too long on a turn, I don't do it because I am selfish but, rather, because I don't get to play as often and don't see things as quickly.
Knowledge Pool Teferi has a couple outs ranging from the very practical (Cycle New Boseiju or Colossal Skyturtle) the more extreme (Cycle Dismantling Wave or Cycle Nimble Obstructionist counter trigger) to medicine that is worse than the cure (Cycle Decree of Annihilation). XD
my one thing w/ proxies is that the deck has to stay at a similar power lv to the other people, so i always check what the average price is among the people there and choose my deck/switch out card around that. also i just use proxies cause i cant even justify buying a 100$ deck