The CIA and OSS Assassination Pistol - Suppressed High-Standard
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- The High-Standard HDM was a very cool pistol from the end of WWII, designed for the OSS and later used by the CIA, US Marines, U2 pilots, and other Special Forces. This is my modern take on a similar platform, using a 1950s production High-Standard Sport King pistol and an AMTAC Fire Ant suppressor.
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Correction time! I stated that they only made a hundred or so of the original suppressed High-Standard HDMs, that is incorrect. They reportedly made about 2,600 HDMs between '44-'45. The "hundred or so" figure was a slip up from my reading today on the S&W Model 39 "Hush Puppy" pistols from the 1960s, of which only a hundred or so were built.
The HDM also did use a steel mesh "wafer" type suppression system coupled with the ported barrel, and did not use wipes I believe. The steel mesh would get filthy very quickly, within 50 rounds or so, and needed cleaning/replacement often.
I believe I also said that the Sport King was striker fired. That's not really accurate either, it would be more accurate to say that it fires using an internal hammer as opposed to the external hammer of the HD series of pistols. Everyone states that it's striker fired, but that's not technically correct, and I apologize for contributing to that narrative.
no need for that safety mod, bozo. just use very low power subsonic rounds that cannot cycle the slide. if your whole point is to make an assassin pistol, it needs to be up close and extremely quiet ie very low power rounds
@@cagneybillingsley2165 a barely cycling but not ejecting round would still cause port pop and mechanical noise and be substantially louder than a completely locked slide.
Why use underpowered rounds when you don’t need to?
This style of handgun was probably used the most by MACV-SOG recon teams against trackers and their dogs. Couple books talk about much hijinx gotten up to with that pistol outside of missions.
It's reported that units like that still has original HDMs in their inventory, but they also would have something like the S&W Model 39 "Hush Puppies" for more punch than .22LR.
What books, if you don't mind me asking? I'm interested.
@@philipgutierrez2999 I too would be keen to know which books
You can't just say that and not mention the books.
what books? it sounds interesting
Popping off some rounds in the Oval Office is a bold marketing strategy to be sure but I think the guy trying to convince Teddy Roosevelt of the advantages of the Burgess(?) by emptying a bunch of blanks from it by surprise inside the NYPD is bolder still.
That is one of the coolest gun projects I’ve seen. Great content dude
Really dope project. I love that you were committed to making it as quiet as possible! Cant wait for the range footage 😄😄🤩🤩
I like the safety modification.
In concept, I can see a secret squirrel needing the slide lock over a safety in some circumstances
Looks cool too!
As long as I have a trigger finger, I have a safety 😉
Facts!@@booliganshootingsports
I agree this clearly is meant to be a fun gun not a daily carry. Definitely worth warning anyone you'd let shot though.
Great work on this one. I can’t wait to see your video shooting it. The slide lock mod is spot on. That’s going to quiet it down quite a bit. I currently have an integrally suppressed Nagant revolver in the works that’s going to look like some originals I’ve found pictures of. I might have to do one of these High Standards once it and my Loshult Gun are done.
Sounds like you have some fun projects in the future!
@@booliganshootingsports yeah my firearm buddies think I’m nuts. I like everything from Matchlocks to machine guns. I just need more time to be able to shoot and make videos.
The lack of time to shoot and film is the real struggle.
@@booliganshootingsports absolutely, jobs who needs them! LOL
I have always wanted to suppress my 1950s Sport King. A delightful chunk of traditional blued steel. The original High Standard military suppressed guns had rather longer barrels than this example which were extensively ported a certain distance past the chamber. You can find the exact dimensions for everything in it in the 1968 Frankford Arsenal report on silenced weapons which were then available and known. Very simple internal design. Just a roll of screen mesh around the ported barrel and a stack of screen mesh washers at the muzzle inside the tube.
What a beautifully sleek pistol.
Excited for the range video
Very cool. I've read of the exact same safety/slide lock modification being made on the Beretta 21.
Love it!! For extra feather ruffling goodness, throw one of those cheap oversized ebay special linear comps on the front. Looking forward to seeing the range trip.
can you measure the port pop? how loud is it exactly? I always thought the slide lock feature was for spent casings and reduce slide movement sound...
I love it! I have an old High Standard Model 106 that I want to eventually get an integrally suppressed barrel for also!
I had Dave Wilson chop and thread my Ruger Mk IV as close as possible to the hinge point between the receiver and grip frame. Probably as short as your HDM. Can confirm that the HDM is likely a superior way to go, especially in terms of cleaning. Port pop out of the Mk IV is still pretty loud. It's an absolute nightmare to clean, but it looks _tres bien._ All in all, the Mk IV was quieter with the longer barrel. Running a (very good) Form 1 .22 cal can on it.
Looking forward to a range demonstration on this little beast.
really love the look with the tiny barrel, reminds me of the chopped down walther p38's
It’s a really cool look without the can installed. Surprisingly so. It does have that P38K conversion look to it.
Will the safety lever be enough to keep the slide locked on a blowback action? I can see how on a locked breech the force would be on the locking shoulder but on a blowback all of the recoil force is on the safety lever.
Since it’s it’s a .22, you can normally hold the slide closed with your thumb. The steel safety catch should hold it fine.
Do you have the print file for that front sight somewhere?
That's a fine looking piece 👍👍👍👍 I'll look forward to the after-range update, and seeing/hearing how it fires 🙏🙏🙏🙏 As you're using 3-D printing, had you considered making a front section like on the Chinese Type 64, which uses a combination of baffles, an internal sleeve of copper mesh, and a secondary partitioned lower gas-venting chamber? I've never heart a Type 64 being fired, but, due to the features/internal structure of that front section, I can imagine it being a very quiet shot 😎😎😎😎 Keep up the great work 👍👍👍👍
Found this vid in my feed…watched the whole thing (great vid by the way) waiting for the test fire…😑😑😑
Can I buy a front sight like that from you or the information on how to get one? I just bought a 4 1/2” barrel like yours and am going to have it threaded. Please and Thanks!
Nice, I might try somthing with my JC Higgins Model 80.
You should do a video on the weapon used to assassinate Abe, it’s clearly a homemade firearm but I assume someone with your knowledge could learn more than that by examining the photos.
I've looked at the pics that have been released, and the consensus is that it was likely a double barreled hardware store pipe gun, likely smoothbore, and appeared to be electrically activated. It honestly wouldn't be a hard build to replicate. Some of the other DIY guns that were recovered from his home I believe are even more intense including a 9 barreled version.
It really does go to show that you can regulate everything you want, but as long as pipes and chemistry exist, firearms can exist.
@@booliganshootingsports Yeah this stuff has always been possible but I think the internet has had a really negative impact on the spread of dangerous information. Not to be an authoritarian but I feel that making knowledge on how to kill people more widespread and available can only have negative consequences. Just want to say, it’s not a knock against your channel, it’s more of a systemic issue.
@@Curtis_Brusque you can’t really be that stupid.
Man remember the stealth missions in the old Medal of Honor games had the HDM? Good times, good times.
I see that MP5 with Surefire 628 on the wall, is that legit or airsoft replica? If the latter, where’d you get it?
Everything on the wall is real, however that particular one is a .22LR version. The light on it is a G&P airsoft version because of the receiver type that gun uses.
Siiiiick!!
Super project! I am intrigued and like your ingenuity. I know you like to admire your work, but I had a hard time seeing just what you accomplished...if you could pause and show a profile at each key step then that would be even better.
I have an early 1950s Sport King SK-100. Which is essentially an internal hammer version of the HD-M. Same size, grip angle and general profile, and both compare very closely with the Luger. I've often thought of turning it into an integrally suppressed evolution of the OSS HD-M. Though I also want to preserve the original barrel, and additional barrels are seldom available and cost nearly as much as another gun. I'm in the gun industry as a gunsmith and machinist, so I could make a new one, but it's a substantial amount of labor. Perhaps soon. Sometimes when I thread short handgun barrels that are not easily held in the lathe, I make a mandrel that closely fits the bore to do it between centers to get the highest level of concentricity. Though this barrel could easily be turned between centers without the mandrel. If your threads are truly concentric you can get away with as little as .002" clearance on each side of the bullet for extensions. Some barrels which have only a very short section available to thread must first be machined for special extra fine threads which are then used to attach an adapter for the suppressor to. Not long ago I threaded a Walther P5 barrel 1/2"-56 to then attach a custom extension to adapt for 1/2"-28 thread. This requires the mandrel through the bore, and is time consuming. Not many people are willing to pay for this sort of job because it becomes fairly expensive. But sometimes it's the only way to accomplish it. The mandrels need to be made and fitted for each individual barrel. Rarely can you get away with using the same one twice because of individual bore variations. Pretty much anything can be done if someone is willing to pay for the time and labor it takes. But that often involves essentially writing a blank check, which not many care to do. So those jobs are seldom seen. Usually you wind up only doing them for yourself. I would also want to duplicate the ported turned down barrel of the original design and use the screen wrapping and stacked screen washers. The dimensions of the original design are available in the 1968 Frankford Arsenal suppressor test report. Using very short .22 rimfire barrels to reduce velocity to subsonic can cause problems with flaring of the base of the very soft lead bullets on exit, and it becomes impossible to use the prefragmented rounds. They break apart at the muzzle. As I once discovered attempting to use them in a Taurus PT-22. The ported barrel avoids this problem. I forgot to add that converting the safety into a slide lock for the ultimate silent operation is a clever touch. Unfortunately the SK-100 safety is rather small and sharp compared to the excellent HD-M safety.
I also am a gunsmith and have done that kind of work often over the last 30 years. His gun does not have a slide lock for holding the slide closed while firing, he is mistakenly calling the slide stop a slide lock. He also claims it is striker fired when in fact it has an internal hammer and a separate firing pin.
@@burttaylor8852 I believe what he's done here is convert the safety into a slide lock only. The Sport King safety does lock the slide closed when engaged, and it appears he deleted the safety function so it would only operate as a slide lock. Probably by cutting off the portion that blocks the sear. That's how I interrupted what he's telling us anyway. On another note, I have both the early SK-100 Sport King and the HD-M, and the profile of them is essentially identical. The Sport King is more or less an internal hammer version of the HD-M that uses a different magazine. Because why not?! 😖 I find the HD-M rather more pleasing generally, though the Sport King is an improved design in some ways. But it's just not as classy and fun even though it's rather less temperamental...
Cool!!
Nice timing
I'd have to get a little more DIY if I were to showcase a certain other assassination weapon used in the last day or so.
Beautiful piece. Although, would be nice to see it at range first.
You sir never cease to amaze me. I have a love for pews that runs deep as well. Im Actually about to purchase a 3d printer myself and I really need your advice. You see there are several ender 3s in one place for sale and since your such a guru I thought you might could tell me which one I should get....I would be forever greatful and in your debt. I just know I should defer to your knowledge....lol
I do almost all my printing on an Ender 3V2
@@booliganshootingsports cool thanks. Do you have any special aftermarket parts on it? Or is it just stock? Because one of them I. Lookong at has a couple parts that are claimed to be something special.
@@MountainMythos my V2 is basically dead stock. I’ve only put in better bowden tubing and bed springs.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the HDM was still in some limited use. We know for a fact that the Welrod was still being used in the UK’s military during the gulf war
The original suppressors were constructed with steel wool and only good for 10-12 rounds as they got clogged up with almost he residue from the rim fire rounds. Modern suppressors are way superior, without the round count, so it is unlikely that the originals are still in use. I like the thought though!
13:28 yes! like yesterday!
but there are many who claim a .22 long isn't viable for killing the enemy..... It's called "Shot Placement"....
F'n ill AF - props Booly
such a nice pistol !!
Very awesome 🤙🏽
Definitely a Medal of Honor fan
💥Yes get out 2 the range & let us hear it in "REAL SOUND"! No vid dampening, no filters, or artificial sound supression...just Real HD sound...Thnx!😎👍🇺🇸
Hi @booliganshootingsports good day to you and thanks for sharing this video. I have been wanting to do same with my High Standard. Can you please share/dm me cost on the cut and threading of your barrel? I would really appreciate it. Thank you,
Reach out to barrelthreading.com, they did the work for me
Wild Billy D fcukin HATED them lol! He once said "I shat things deadlier that that!" Guess he was talking about you having to be right on top of the X-RAY for a pointblank takedown, like Jill Dando etc.
When I was in the US Army Special Forces, we had access to these WWII OSS Hi Standard HDM pistols. Unfortunately, they had been shot the shit out of them and it appears never serviced properly. It was fun and cool to shoot but, I wouldn’t depend on it in combat. Not unless someone brought it back to specs
I was just telling my coworker about this gun a couple weeks ago.
The original HDMs were very cool, especially given the time period. They had some novel suppressor solutions.
When the scotus ruling finally gets to silencers, this is close to what I will be carrying every day.
Honestly, something more modern with better capacity with a tiny little suppressor would be a great little gun for recoil/noise adverse carry. The Sig 322 is compelling as hell, 20 round capacity in a relatively small frame, threaded from the factory and optic ready. Once prices come down to normal on those, and suppressors are sold as normal firearm accessories, something like a Bowers Bitty can would make a very very good combo.
@@booliganshootingsports yeah, but even without higher capacity, it would still be a great setup with something like a threaded barrel tomcat and a small can. I carry one when I go for walks with my wife. Small, reliable, lightish, not overly loud, and accurate. I can consistently hit the little knock downs at the range with it, 50~ feet. Great for animal defense while walking without being obtrusive. But if the ruling knocks cans down to OTC accessories, I will have one for every pew before long anyway.
@@stuckgrenadepin.225 all well and good but when you end up in court and the prosecutor says small silenced pistol, your previously justifiable shoot becomes and assaination and your going to the big house. Keep em as range toys guys.
@@crewgadjy no. When the lawyer explains to the jury that you use a silencer for hearing protection and to not scare everyone around you, a reasonable jury would understand that. I don’t live in california. And there is a ridiculous amount of people in my area that own them and use them regularly. They are not an unknown anymore. And I carry a pistol for animals that I may come across while I am walking. Aggressive dogs, coyotes, rabid animals (like the skunk I had to shoot a couple months back), and even the occasional large cat including mountain lions. We have two common “big cats” in my area. The bobcat and the mountain lion. That’s two of the five big cats that make a home in Texas. I got permission to carry while I was working a few years back because a mountain lion was stalking our drivers at night. We aren’t idiots here. We don’t freak out over someone carrying a gun and a silencer is not like in the movies, we understand this around here. And on top of all that. If you have to turn over your firearm, which you won’t do here in a clearly justifiable use of force, you don’t have to turn over your silencer. You don’t really even have to mention it unless you get taken into custody. If you separate them before police arrive and they don’t ask for it, it’s like it was never even there.
@@crewgadjy and the more people that start making them a part of their everyday carry, the more people will become accustomed to them and not be so ignorant of them.
Oh neat
OHHH I WANNA BE SECRET SQUIRREL NOW! I will be the secret squirrel in my attic that hunts the other squirrels. MUAHAHAHAHAHA
You'd think assassin's would use a dart gun instead b/c she'll casing dropping is gonna be loud.
This doesn’t drop a shell casing. It locks the action closed with the flip of a switch.
@@booliganshootingsports yes yours but not the unmodified one. also speaking in general. When watch spy movies, I never hear the shell hit the floor on those suppression shots
you should hear the thing being fired.... its nuts.
if you drop a tac on a thick carpet at the same time you wont hear the gun firing XD
no, but really it sounds like tapping your leg with a few fingers, so in a crowd of people you wouldnt hear it even if you stood next to the shooter!
The Ruger MK IV breaks down very easily.
Correct, but the Ruger MK1-3 are a nightmare.
@@booliganshootingsports true
Kinda reminds me of the Whitney wolverine
It has a very similar vibe to it
the Fudds are worse than the antigunners.... Appreciate the video.
Id have done an integrally supressed barrel. Take half the length off, port the shit out of it into a primary blast chamber, then post-threads use typical baffles.
Cool none the less tho.
The only issue with that would have been needing to build a completely new suppressor, machine it, tax stamp it, etc. This way I'm able to use the can I already have. But there is definitely something great about a proper integrally suppressed barrel.
@@booliganshootingsports oh, ok. Got ya. Didnt realize this one was already procured.
I def think its worth it to do. It can be well worth the cost if done right. Ive seen some really well done ones. Literally hollywood quiet.
Ugh, it's HAMMER fired. The Duramatic is striker fired.
9:11 LMAO!
You call it a striker fired arm, when in fact it has an internal hammer and a separate firing pin. Oops.
You should call it the Sneak King like the Burger King xbox game
Well that’s way better than the Short King. And that game was shockingly good. All the Burger King games were.
Remember con air
MOHAA flashbacks are hitting hard.
Gotta find the uniform and make your way to the U-boat.
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@@booliganshootingsports so, question. Absolutely NO disrespect, but isn't that just a 22lr? Why couldn't you just put your thumb on the back and ignore the saftey? Love you. Love your vids. Love what you do for the community.
That’s always an option, but it’s generally better to have your thumb tendons NOT be part of the firing mechanism of any gun, haha.
@@booliganshootingsports LOL, fair enough I guess. 😂
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Why would you ruin a Beautiful pistol that’s Worth over a grand
Lmao, Sport Kings cost between $200-300, and you can swap barrels on them as I demonstrated in this video. This can return to stock in 30 seconds using parts I have sitting around my shop.
In Canada
I’m not in Canada 🤷♂️
You could of used a browning buck mark
I know you made a cursed gun