@@edgerat Exactly everybody knows planned obsolescence is out of control with Germans and in general, Japanese (in particular Toyota) automotive engineering is emphatically superior to that of German in terms of reliability, longevity and build quality design.
I went with an manual Subaru Impreza sport hatchback and I'm glad I did. Easy to work on, still fun to drive, and so much more room even before throwing on the luggage rack and the savings 😃👍.
Golf R is objectively the better daily car IMO and it's also a sleeper when it comes to performance. Its got Adjustable Power Seating with 3 memory buttons, Heated AND Ventilated Seats, Dual Climate Control, Back up camera WITH Projectile lines, Front and Rear parking sensors, Leather seats, Carbon Fiber dash, Customizable LED interior lighting, Comes in either Manual or DCT, Better Gas Milage, Better Sound System via Harman Kardon, Better Cabin Dampeing, etc. Performance wise Its got 15 more HP and, 17lbs more Torque AND has launch control. Is faster than the newest Type R and GR Corolla in a drag race. Does 0-60 time in 4.2 with DCT. The engine sounds way better than the GR (GR has a ton of buzz noise cause of the 3-cylinders). The GR Corolla AWD System also has a overheating problem which goes back to the GR Yaris and Toyota still hasn't fixed it! 2023 MK8 Golf R vs FL5 Civic Type R RACE! | Stock czcams.com/video/HMVbiuHW0kY/video.html Toyota GR COROLLA VS VW GOLF R czcams.com/video/1SpgumwuymU/video.html 2023 MK8 Golf R 0-60 & 1/4mi Runs STOCK! | Dragy Verified (4.2 time) czcams.com/video/T_XwKRuRkhA/video.html 2023 Toyota GR Corolla engine sounds czcams.com/video/Y0CyDUz66MQ/video.html MY GR COROLLA OVERHEATED AT THE TRACK... (There is more video evidence out there and Forums of owners talking about this problem) czcams.com/video/qjtCExNuR3M/video.html
The noise, stiffer ride, cheap interior, and lack of space will grow become too much over time in the Corolla. It may be fun in the beginning but it will become played out. Give me the Golf R all day
Rolf R often has the benefit of not being hype-taxed. Like yeah, it’s 7k more MSRP, but good luck finding a GR Corolla for that much less at a dealership. If a price gap is your deciding factor, good luck, cause the cars are probably gonna be the same price at dealerships so you might as well get the golf R
I got a GRC on order in Canada for MSRP even had some dealer fees taken off and 500 dollars towards winter tires. Sadly, you have to know the dealerships to get these deals...
VW golf r for sure and it's easier to obtain, Toyota is stupid for intentionally making less and causing dealer markups. eventually if they want to make money they will make more. if not people will buy other brands
GR Corolla, self limited production caused high markups on Core units. Strictly the base unit if we are discussing price gap - no limited slip, no JBL, no heated/cooled seats, no function air ducks for front clip/hood, no armrest and the interior leaves a lot to be desired. Again, find one at the base price of 36k and you got me - its the ABSOLUTE buy. Circuit vs R - no contest, R takes it easily.
Agree with you the markup is crazy. However as "limited" as Toyota made it's still 6000+ unit for US while Golf R sold 4200 in 2019 and less than 2000 last year
@@layne4376tell me again how the reliability is on cars that have been out for 1 year lol. Golf’s in the prior gen have been 100k miles on stage 2 with no problems for years and years.
A hot hatch is not supposed to be "sophisticated" and "adult". It is supposed to be childish and fun. Throw in the 7K price difference, and Toyotas reliability and for me it is a no brainer to take the GR.
Volkswagens are reliable too, exept electronics. But the new golf R actually jas no major issues, the gr corolla does, the limited slip dif overheats durring track conditions, making it only fwd. The golf R does not do this.
@@esu2537 seems to be an issue more on the Yaris GR. People are only speculating that the corolla will do the same. In the end it's an easy fix through the aftermarket. I'd still much rather have a corlla gr than golf R. I worked at dealerships for almost 3 years, and saw alot. To say in general that VWs are reliable is an outrageous statement IMO. No disrespect, but my experiences tell me this. There is a reason Toyota is known to be reliable. It's not just internet chatter. It's objective truth.
@@Jordan-ql8pv Nope it still overheats the same on the GR Corolla. toyota still never addressed it and there is no permanent fix found for it. This is a un-serious track car.
@@richurro20 Yah looks like Savage Geese are still looking for a fix. Prolly gonna need an aftermarket pump and cooler solution. For sure an oversight by Toyota. Not gonna lie.
@@TryingYourLvckit’s the absolute complete opposite for me lmao I can’t stand the weird look of the mk8’s. I had to snag a used mk7.5 before they start shifting up in price
It does not have more tuning potential and reliability is certainly good, but the EA888 motor is also very well aged at this point. This isn’t the VW from decades ago.
I marvel at some of the absurd comments on here. You can drive the cartoonish Corolla, a car that Pee Wee Herman would drive, or drive a refined, sophisticated, engaging (yes, they are) Golf R that will still look modern and timeless 20 years into the future. For all of you talking about resale values, used Golf R’s have held their values very well, with five year old Golfs sometimes selling for nearly their new price. And for reliability, I see more Toyotas abandoned on the side of the road than VWs. Fact is, if you take care of your car, a VW will last every bit as long as the Toyota. A young woman side-swiped us a couple years ago, and we ended up driving a Toyota 4-Runner as a rental. What a gas-guzzling pile of junk. I wouldn’t own a Toyota if someone paid me to. Nope, we love VWs, which are driver’s cars, loads of fun, and economical to boot.
Great review and either choice is a good one, depending on what you like. I wanted a new R but the dealer markups here are $5-7K. I stumbled on a dealership 400 miles away and negotiated a much better price, making the long drive well-worth it. I decided early against the GR since the markups here make the car nearly as expensive as an R, and with 3 cylinders? Not for me.
Actually in this case it kind of does have a chance of being “ as reliable “ Toyota has a brand new platform with the 3 cylinder engine and we don’t know too much about it. While the golf R is basically the same platform and being tweaked for quite some time now. That said, it’s definitely got a chance to be the same or even more reliable
I just want to point a few things out: The GRC always gets points for it’s adjustable differential split but people fail to mention that 70-30 doesn’t put 70% to the rear, it *allows* 70% to go to the rear. In real world driving, you cannot kick the rear out at all on dry pavement. Like what so ever. This is not true of the golf. My next point piggybacks off the above; the golf’s “trick” differential doesn’t allow more power to go to the rear, only 50% can just like always. What it does is allow ALL of that 50% to go to ONE wheel. This is what induces oversteer. And it does it very well. I understand fair comparison as well but it’s worth noting that the golf wasn’t developed with a 6sp at the forefront. It’s only available in the US market. The DSG is much faster in every measure and certainly does not make the GRC the same in acceleration. A DSG 8R is like a full second faster in both 0-60 and 1/4 mile. Even more than a second in some instances. Lastly, it’s not always fair to say the GRC is “much” cheaper than the golf because you NEED dual LSD’s from the performance pack and such on the core to make it even remotely desirable. This pushes the MSRP in the 40+ range and then you’re like within 5k. All in all I’m super happy the GRC exists. Same for the CTR and EN. They’re all great cars for sure but this golf is certainly the most well rounded. It has WAY more features than the others, it’s more luxurious in every aspect, it’s faster in a straight line, and on the same tires, it’s just as fast around tracks as even the CTR. I mean even on it’s abysmal oem tires it was only a few seconds slower on the ring. Just saying.
The video provided a lot of useful information but a track comparison without laptimes makes no sense at all unless you're from the same woke school of thought who think giving students grades is anti-progressive. Petrolheads know darn well that there is much more to a car than its time around a track but nonetheless it would be good to know the time instead of giving us the usual crap conclusion about how everyone is a winner.
@@Nate-AimsI agree. Sat in my buddies GRC and honestly feels like my economy model. Nothing premium about it and is too expensive to be having same cheap plastic.
GR screams youth, imo. A reason why i didnt go for the type R. Too Tokyo drift-ish for me. 😅 Grabbed a golf R instead. But to be fair ive owned both German and Japanese cars. They both behave differently in their own ways, imo. It really comes down to what you like. Ive had more VW/Audis than any brand so I guess Ive made up my mind. One day i hope to own a 911 GT3😅 😅 🤘🏻
To me the GR Corolla is an ugly car. Toyota likes to bolt on ground effects kits to the exterior of their cars in an attempt to make them look sporty...it just looks, well, bolted on, like an after-thought. The headlights are a strange swoopy shape, the fog lights look undersized surrounded by all of that black pladding. 3 exhaust tips and the protruding bumpers are also less attractive than the VW. I think the Golf R styling looks more together than the disjointed boy-racer look of the Toyota.
Not a big fan of this comparison. One person says gr let's u do driftie bits and is great. The other says the r let's u drift but I dont want to hurt my tires, so it's crap. The corolla is ugly in my opinion, reminds me of the Mazda speed
first of all no one wants a Volkswagen unless they were giving it away for free. it may be fun to drive but man the infotainment is ass in that car and to be honest if u want something fast and fun, u want it to look the part. even nice colorful paints arent even a thing for Volkswagen. not to mention i trust Toyota way more than Volkswagen. id ur looking for something thats fast and fun with the looks and sound. get a hyundai N car. if u want something fun but also grown up u got plenty of American muscle or even electric to choose from. like there is no place for the golf R.
Great job on this comparison! Sadly, greedy Stealerships ruined the GR Corolla
greedy captialist ruined a lot of things, lately. And other brand dealers too.
@@rickjames5998 Chronyism is not capitalism.
Good thing markups are illegal in Canada. But markups are legal in the form of marking up nitro fill tires, warranties, protection packages, etc..
Got mine at MSRP. Ice Cap CE, looks like a mini French Bulldog in person. Love it..
thats facts i work at a toyota dealer and we just sold a used gr corolla for almost 60k
People are brainwashed into thinking that every Toyota is going to last a million miles. Lol you guys are in for a shocking surprise
Depends what you want
Responsible and refined, get the VW
Fun and engaging, get the Corolla
@@layne4376 You win this comments section. Great comment. 🤣🤣
by "refined" do you mean, wired by numpties in Germany?
@@edgerat😂 have you met many Japanese businessmen?? Cringe
@@edgerat Exactly everybody knows planned obsolescence is out of control with Germans and in general, Japanese (in particular Toyota) automotive engineering is emphatically superior to that of German in terms of reliability, longevity and build quality design.
I went with an manual Subaru Impreza sport hatchback and I'm glad I did. Easy to work on, still fun to drive, and so much more room even before throwing on the luggage rack and the savings 😃👍.
Vw 😊 makes fun to drive cars and had many features 20 years b4 most cars 🚙 😊
This ☝🏼
Golf R is objectively the better daily car IMO and it's also a sleeper when it comes to performance.
Its got Adjustable Power Seating with 3 memory buttons, Heated AND Ventilated Seats, Dual Climate Control, Back up camera WITH Projectile lines, Front and Rear parking sensors, Leather seats, Carbon Fiber dash, Customizable LED interior lighting, Comes in either Manual or DCT, Better Gas Milage, Better Sound System via Harman Kardon, Better Cabin Dampeing, etc.
Performance wise Its got 15 more HP and, 17lbs more Torque AND has launch control. Is faster than the newest Type R and GR Corolla in a drag race. Does 0-60 time in 4.2 with DCT. The engine sounds way better than the GR (GR has a ton of buzz noise cause of the 3-cylinders). The GR Corolla AWD System also has a overheating problem which goes back to the GR Yaris and Toyota still hasn't fixed it!
2023 MK8 Golf R vs FL5 Civic Type R RACE! | Stock
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Toyota GR COROLLA VS VW GOLF R
czcams.com/video/1SpgumwuymU/video.html
2023 MK8 Golf R 0-60 & 1/4mi Runs STOCK! | Dragy Verified (4.2 time)
czcams.com/video/T_XwKRuRkhA/video.html
2023 Toyota GR Corolla engine sounds
czcams.com/video/Y0CyDUz66MQ/video.html
MY GR COROLLA OVERHEATED AT THE TRACK... (There is more video evidence out there and Forums of owners talking about this problem)
czcams.com/video/qjtCExNuR3M/video.html
Golf r isn't a sleeper. Most people that'll want to race know exactly what it is.....🤣🤣🤣
Golf R use of capacitive buttons on the steering wheel and center stack is stupid.
@@xuimoddidn’t they go back to actual buttons on the mk8.5?
The noise, stiffer ride, cheap interior, and lack of space will grow become too much over time in the Corolla. It may be fun in the beginning but it will become played out. Give me the Golf R all day
Gr corolla all day. Got mine 7 months ago after test driving both
Rolf R often has the benefit of not being hype-taxed. Like yeah, it’s 7k more MSRP, but good luck finding a GR Corolla for that much less at a dealership. If a price gap is your deciding factor, good luck, cause the cars are probably gonna be the same price at dealerships so you might as well get the golf R
I just saw an add for 20k over Msrp for a golf r lol..7500$ is common "adjusted" cost. It's ridiculous
Locally I can find a fully loaded brand new DSG R for the same price of a lightly used gr core
I just bought a 2024 Premium GR Corolla for MSRP at $41,600! I guess it depends where you live?
I got a GRC on order in Canada for MSRP even had some dealer fees taken off and 500 dollars towards winter tires. Sadly, you have to know the dealerships to get these deals...
You forgot that the golf r is also marked up. The gr corolla will maintain a better resale value and in the end be more reliable.
Never hate on toggle switches
VW golf r for sure and it's easier to obtain, Toyota is stupid for intentionally making less and causing dealer markups. eventually if they want to make money they will make more. if not people will buy other brands
It’s Golf for me, thank you very much.
Rename the video to: Toyota Dealership Markup vs Volkswagen Dealership Markup Comparison
I'm just glad they're both making fun cars still🎉
Why would they bring a base gr Corolla without the better interior to compete against a golf r?
GR Corolla, self limited production caused high markups on Core units. Strictly the base unit if we are discussing price gap - no limited slip, no JBL, no heated/cooled seats, no function air ducks for front clip/hood, no armrest and the interior leaves a lot to be desired. Again, find one at the base price of 36k and you got me - its the ABSOLUTE buy. Circuit vs R - no contest, R takes it easily.
Agree with you the markup is crazy. However as "limited" as Toyota made it's still 6000+ unit for US while Golf R sold 4200 in 2019 and less than 2000 last year
Golf R is better in every conceivable measure.
@@layne4376 You forgot resale value.
@@layne4376tell me again how the reliability is on cars that have been out for 1 year lol. Golf’s in the prior gen have been 100k miles on stage 2 with no problems for years and years.
@@AntFragale its a TOYOTA god of reliability compared to a garbage German 🤣
@@lilripsta911 Is that why 2023 Tundras are being recalled?
The GR looks huge side-by-side with the Golf. At the limit, they both handle about the same in my eyes. Both need a big fat rear sway bar.
A hot hatch is not supposed to be "sophisticated" and "adult". It is supposed to be childish and fun. Throw in the 7K price difference, and Toyotas reliability and for me it is a no brainer to take the GR.
Volkswagens are reliable too, exept electronics. But the new golf R actually jas no major issues, the gr corolla does, the limited slip dif overheats durring track conditions, making it only fwd. The golf R does not do this.
@@esu2537 seems to be an issue more on the Yaris GR. People are only speculating that the corolla will do the same. In the end it's an easy fix through the aftermarket. I'd still much rather have a corlla gr than golf R. I worked at dealerships for almost 3 years, and saw alot. To say in general that VWs are reliable is an outrageous statement IMO. No disrespect, but my experiences tell me this. There is a reason Toyota is known to be reliable. It's not just internet chatter. It's objective truth.
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@@Jordan-ql8pv Nope it still overheats the same on the GR Corolla. toyota still never addressed it and there is no permanent fix found for it. This is a un-serious track car.
@@richurro20 Yah looks like Savage Geese are still looking for a fix. Prolly gonna need an aftermarket pump and cooler solution. For sure an oversight by Toyota. Not gonna lie.
Lost me at 3 cylinder
Wow that face of the golf really grew on me when it first came out I was like wtf is this
Same... looking back at the mk7, the 8 is much better looking.
@@TryingYourLvckit’s the absolute complete opposite for me lmao I can’t stand the weird look of the mk8’s. I had to snag a used mk7.5 before they start shifting up in price
@TWOhype23 it grew on me lol. but that whole catfish look does kinda make me think twice about it lol
the GR is amazing but for the same price as the golf r i’d rather the luxury of the R interior over the gr interior
Corolla all the way, more reliable and fun, better tuning potential, the only downside is it doesn't have armrl rest
It does not have more tuning potential and reliability is certainly good, but the EA888 motor is also very well aged at this point. This isn’t the VW from decades ago.
Tell me you dont know anything about these cars…
reliable is up for debate. a 3 cylinder turbo with 300 hp has never been done before and unheard of. 100 hp per cylinder ?! sheesh
Stage 1 tune from APR on a Golf R is +66 hp +68 ft-lbs on a MK8..... the GR Corolla is doing these numbers?
@@lrod8692 it’s actually much more than that. All stage 1+ T’s make around 440-450 hp.
I really wish Toyota made a GR Sedan with available sunroof.
With a 3 cylinder engine? No thanks, the thing would be a dog.
I marvel at some of the absurd comments on here. You can drive the cartoonish Corolla, a car that Pee Wee Herman would drive, or drive a refined, sophisticated, engaging (yes, they are) Golf R that will still look modern and timeless 20 years into the future. For all of you talking about resale values, used Golf R’s have held their values very well, with five year old Golfs sometimes selling for nearly their new price. And for reliability, I see more Toyotas abandoned on the side of the road than VWs. Fact is, if you take care of your car, a VW will last every bit as long as the Toyota. A young woman side-swiped us a couple years ago, and we ended up driving a Toyota 4-Runner as a rental. What a gas-guzzling pile of junk. I wouldn’t own a Toyota if someone paid me to. Nope, we love VWs, which are driver’s cars, loads of fun, and economical to boot.
Thsese are over 50 grand in Canada.. Toyota allows dealer fee making the core close to 60 grand. Might as well buy the 3 series
Mk8 Golf R is a complete no go with their stupid use of capacitive buttons on the steering wheel and infotainment console. Stupid move by VW.
Great review and either choice is a good one, depending on what you like. I wanted a new R but the dealer markups here are $5-7K. I stumbled on a dealership 400 miles away and negotiated a much better price, making the long drive well-worth it. I decided early against the GR since the markups here make the car nearly as expensive as an R, and with 3 cylinders? Not for me.
The Toyota will be a collector's,besides everyone has a golf and its way too common and will never be as realible
Actually in this case it kind of does have a chance of being “ as reliable “
Toyota has a brand new platform with the 3 cylinder engine and we don’t know too much about it.
While the golf R is basically the same platform and being tweaked for quite some time now.
That said, it’s definitely got a chance to be the same or even more reliable
I just want to point a few things out:
The GRC always gets points for it’s adjustable differential split but people fail to mention that 70-30 doesn’t put 70% to the rear, it *allows* 70% to go to the rear. In real world driving, you cannot kick the rear out at all on dry pavement. Like what so ever. This is not true of the golf.
My next point piggybacks off the above; the golf’s “trick” differential doesn’t allow more power to go to the rear, only 50% can just like always. What it does is allow ALL of that 50% to go to ONE wheel. This is what induces oversteer. And it does it very well.
I understand fair comparison as well but it’s worth noting that the golf wasn’t developed with a 6sp at the forefront. It’s only available in the US market. The DSG is much faster in every measure and certainly does not make the GRC the same in acceleration. A DSG 8R is like a full second faster in both 0-60 and 1/4 mile. Even more than a second in some instances.
Lastly, it’s not always fair to say the GRC is “much” cheaper than the golf because you NEED dual LSD’s from the performance pack and such on the core to make it even remotely desirable. This pushes the MSRP in the 40+ range and then you’re like within 5k.
All in all I’m super happy the GRC exists. Same for the CTR and EN. They’re all great cars for sure but this golf is certainly the most well rounded. It has WAY more features than the others, it’s more luxurious in every aspect, it’s faster in a straight line, and on the same tires, it’s just as fast around tracks as even the CTR. I mean even on it’s abysmal oem tires it was only a few seconds slower on the ring. Just saying.
Damn bro you really typed a whole ass novel 😂 it’s not that deep
@@mflip896 there are people out there not afraid of 20s worth of reading that may care about minor details. Thank you though. :)
Corolla ❤
VW is almost 10 years before other cars
GR COROLLA BABY
The video provided a lot of useful information but a track comparison without laptimes makes no sense at all unless you're from the same woke school of thought who think giving students grades is anti-progressive. Petrolheads know darn well that there is much more to a car than its time around a track but nonetheless it would be good to know the time instead of giving us the usual crap conclusion about how everyone is a winner.
Golf looks like a boring fish. Front grill looks worse than new Z
Definitely the corolla, not to mention overall quality and reliability...
What exactly about it has better “quality” than the 8R..?
Quality and reliability? You don’t know crap about cars
Have you sat in one? The Gr Corolla has a more economy car vibe compared to the R
@@Nate-AimsI agree. Sat in my buddies GRC and honestly feels like my economy model. Nothing premium about it and is too expensive to be having same cheap plastic.
@@isaacpengsu it’s a very very fun and engaging car but for a daily, the golf r is a much better all rounder.
If you want to go and come back home take the Corolla
Really, a 3 banger against a well polished German turbo 2.0?
A well done 3 cyl actually sounds better than a 4 cyl. Just sayin...
that 3 banger won WRC 5 years in a row now.
Yeah exactly, if I want a 3 cylinder I'm getting a motorcycle
Lower price than R? Find me a GR Corolla that doesn’t cost arm and leg for over sticker price😂
Mine?
I would definitely buy a Golf R…..if wasn’t for the stupid haptic controls!
They really aren't that bad. Had the car a week now and they're perfectly fine
That and the lack of a handbrake
@@Omarockthe previous r didn't have a hand break either
@@Omarockyeah not having a hand break ruins the R for me I only wish the civic type r would have AWD
The golf is way better looking inside and out. Plus GTI/Rs hold their value better
GR screams youth, imo. A reason why i didnt go for the type R. Too Tokyo drift-ish for me. 😅 Grabbed a golf R instead. But to be fair ive owned both German and Japanese cars. They both behave differently in their own ways, imo. It really comes down to what you like. Ive had more VW/Audis than any brand so I guess Ive made up my mind. One day i hope to own a 911 GT3😅 😅 🤘🏻
What a stupid question that is.
VW because its fun to drive monthly to your mechanic.
Once Toyota, allways TOYOTA
(Had my experience with VW.... never again)
To me the GR Corolla is an ugly car. Toyota likes to bolt on ground effects kits to the exterior of their cars in an attempt to make them look sporty...it just looks, well, bolted on, like an after-thought. The headlights are a strange swoopy shape, the fog lights look undersized surrounded by all of that black pladding. 3 exhaust tips and the protruding bumpers are also less attractive than the VW. I think the Golf R styling looks more together than the disjointed boy-racer look of the Toyota.
Big NO NO to golf..for me.
I like my Focus RS better than both of them. However of those two, I’d take a GR. I’m just not a fan of VW’s styling.
Tell us ur poor 😢
Hyundai Elantra N is better ❤❤❤❤
🤣🤦♂
Front wheel drive. Not in the same
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🇩🇪 vs 🇯🇵 = Golf R wins!!!
Let’s be honest the vw is trash!
Thats ur mom
Hurt feelings after a traffic light thrashing. 50K for slower 3 cylinder with worse gas mileage. 😅🤣😂
@@racer247 dont forget the trash interior and shitty awd system that goes into limp mode 1 lap in on the track.
Not a big fan of this comparison. One person says gr let's u do driftie bits and is great. The other says the r let's u drift but I dont want to hurt my tires, so it's crap. The corolla is ugly in my opinion, reminds me of the Mazda speed
first of all no one wants a Volkswagen unless they were giving it away for free. it may be fun to drive but man the infotainment is ass in that car and to be honest if u want something fast and fun, u want it to look the part. even nice colorful paints arent even a thing for Volkswagen. not to mention i trust Toyota way more than Volkswagen. id ur looking for something thats fast and fun with the looks and sound. get a hyundai N car. if u want something fun but also grown up u got plenty of American muscle or even electric to choose from. like there is no place for the golf R.
Golf r are selling over msrp… smart people will pick golf r over corola anyday