Aikido vs Straight Punch • Aikido Pressure Testing
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- There are numerous techniques in Aikido against a straight punch, yet when the punch is performed by the attacker the punch does not retract and stays where it is with the hopes of an aikidoka to catch the hand mid-air. What happens when we pressure test this Aikido concept? Find out in this video.
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"Hold on a sec while I choke my dog out, guys!"
:DD
LMAO
Lost all intrest and thumbs down for choking dog.
@@moonrunnerlife1640 Dogs loved it, is a game for them
Yeah rhats not the sound a dog makes when they actually want you to stop. Truet me you’ll lnow that sound when it comes
His dojo is going to the dogs:-)
Ba-dum tsssss!
I think Bruce Lee said in the Tao of jeet K D." The hardest opponent is a fast and strong wild fighter, because he doesn't follow patterns..."
antonio pabon my preference is position and timing because it will trump speed and power in the long-run. Especially once you begin to get older. The younger chaps will almost always win the speed and power game. What will remain is position and timing.
Also if trained improperly speed and power can significantly shorten a martial arts career.
Please understand I am a fan of Bruce Lee and I am not bashing or discounting his words. I think that Bruce Lee had superb position and timing which significantly enhance the effectiveness of his speed and power.
Sadly he was more of an actor than a fighter
yeah. he was an actor alright. but his point stands. fighting is chaotic, you can't expect unwilling opponents to follow a certain pattern to defeat them, especially in a street fight...
antonio pabon yeah i agree. I’d say just in street fights cause trained fighters do follow patterns.
antonio pabon it is interesting to watch the videos of MMA fighters in a street fight get KO’d by a 2 x 4 to the back of the head.
Trying to catch a punch is a bad idea! (If not the worst!)
I agree. Crazy that this ideas exists, right? :)
Martial Arts Journey true☺
Thanks for replying 😄
Davis Barr why do you disagree? Can you explain in simple words?😂😂😂
Davis Barr ok simply tell me this!.Can you catch a punch of your opponent (let's say he's good at a striking art! ) , as he is throwing power shots or combinations!?
Davis Barr I asked you a simple yes or no question!. Instead of a proper answer you are writing an essay !😂
As someone who has trained western boxing since age 11 and aikido for close to 2 years I assert that these four circumstances work when facing a boxer ( list goes from most effective to least effective)
1) use techniques that work in the clench(step in throw..ect)
2) Implementation of strikes within technique.
3) stun opponent with blow to floating rib, liver, head and then lead into technique
4) take advantage of a tierd opponent in the final rounds.
Side note : aikido techniques used should simple, fast, effective and most importantly non telagraphed when facing a experienced boxer.
Interesting. I've seen some aikido people set up some really nice positions with their footwork only to throw it away by trying to apply some elaborate kind of impractical wristlock. I remember thinking just hit him instead. watching this video, I thought about sticking to the striking hand and following it back on the retraction with the whole body maybe.
Yes, by minimizing the distance the boxers fist can travel the better. A boxer who throws 2000+ punches a day and practices footwork will make a wrist grab impossible unless the aikido fighter closes the gap
It is clinch not clench. (Also etc not ect).
Didn't have time to run it through grammerly, thanks
That was another aspect I forgot to mention. The technique ... particularly if moving to a more realistic mode ...van works better with atemi and I agree with you on your 4 points though I'd like to see them in video applied. Without irimi and Mae the technique becomes more difficult ... it is near impossible to snatch a hand out of mid air ... this issue is mitigated with movement and kuzushi
Dog in 7:02 "Is this toy for me?"
Dog in 7:26 "I can't believe it, two toys for me!"
Looks like that technique is very low percentage, but would be much better against someone reaching out to grab you.
I love this philosophy. Your videos are so open minded and you aim to evolve the martial art to further application. A true martial artist!
Wonderful dogs!
For an untrained fighter, she has great fight intensity. Informative video and super entertaining, especially with your wife involved.
Very informative. I have to admit this really shows a lot of the flaws with some dojos but also shows your dedication with teaching the truth. Great series so far. By the way, I think your dogs want to show off the great martial art known as Dog-fu.
Yes, flaws with a lot of dojos. You're right.
The flaw is with the style, which is why people do stuff outside of Aikido, such as Rokas himself, recently.
Cool dogs dude!
I think it's awesome your pressure testing your style. I have a lot of respect for anyone who tests their style. I have been humbled many times in my life by doing so. Keep us posted on your journey! New sub!
Very interesting video. Your concclusion was well put.
I really appreciate your honest approach, I am learning a lot from your journey! Thank you.
Thank you
Nice video, you need to do more of This!
Seeing the ideas you have about how to adapt the different Aikido techniques is so neat, really interesting!
Beautiful wife, 2 happy dogs, I'd say Aikido worked out pretty well for you, mate!
Edit: On the variation you made to the technique, it's pretty much mandatory to hit to avoid the second punch. I'd add an elbow strike to the face while advancing, so she had something to worry about (or be very hurt if ignoring), buying you time to use the actual technique on the trapped arm...
No bullshido at last, I'm loving this!
and everyone wonders, will he continue aikido or will he drop it, lets find out on the next episode of the trueaikidoshow xDDD.
Well put
I love your dogs!
Dogs really hate aggression within the pack even if they are not the target.
"This seem to escalate, i better step in before they start to hurt each other". Very cute.
I LOVE your dogs!
He's like a politician who strips down his party's program and exposes all the BS in it. That takes a really curious, rational mind. And a lot of guts and humility. Props for doing that!
Excellent style
Btw great explanation and video too :)
Love your dogs!
i love your approch of the aikido plz continue to do the aikido better and more realist
I love your honesty. I know for a fact you’ll be able to inject some Akido as you study more striking and grappling arts. I know you’ve probably already been introduced to Mr. Roy Dean but I strongly suggest you reach out to him as he does a very interesting blend of Brazilian jujitsu with the Akido
I agree with you. BTW beautiful dogs. I had 3 huskies
Rudy Munet Wow! Two is already plenty for us, but three sound wonderful
Move in or move aside. You're just standing there taking the punch. Use Atemi to gain control. After moving in throw an elbow or knee. After moving aside for a new angle throw a punch or a kick. Once you gain the initiative and the opponent tries to block you can take control throws or grabs. Moving in also takes the power out of any big hook coming your way. Just my thoughts.
You got it!
Or some deflections. He is seriously thinking entry/grab. Nooooooo! I hope this man realizes that it is his aikido, not aikido.
Yeah, it's like, even in boxing, they punch bags and do strikes & blocks while standing to train but they are just elements & footwork will be used in sparring or fight.
your statement seems so silly
"Use Atemi to gain control. After moving in throw an elbow or knee. After moving aside for a new angle throw a punch or a kick."
yeah no shit morty
You have basically said: - outmaneuver and outstrike your opponent, wobble him -so he gets distracted and becomes compliant opponent for the next 24 seconds, hope for a panick reaction, like him trying to block a punch with his forearm and then do Aikido.
There are kickboxing and boxing bouts who are training and tournamenting the shit out of just the first step of "outmaneuver and outstrike" your opponent, trying to land "1" strike.
It is of course very possible, but it takes training and sparring and experience and for the better - more experience in striking than your adversary.
Even if you land, chances are your opponent will not just stand there like in tekken, wating for you to "finish" him.
Even if he did - why not just throw a boxing combination - which got him there in the first place anyway - opposed to learning a bunch of complicated techniques who only work if you training kickboxing complimentary anyhow
Please try using arm drags and parrying to make it offensive to force the grips. An arm drag should force the arm extending or move the opponent closer for a body throw or hold.
The dogs kill me! hahahaha so beautiful beings
I don't know... you say she's not trained, but she got some good jabs in! :)
What I love about this channel is that this guy is on a legit modern *"Musha shugyō"*. Warriors Pilgrimage.
One of the best combat strategies? Training dogs to protect you when your being attacked!!
It is a good conclusion to close the distance while she retracts her hand, since when closing distance the speed factor in her arm is eliminated and q is the speed according to the formula V = d / t where d = distance and t = time , by closing the distance and following the arm we take away the distance and therefore the speed is no longer met and it becomes easier for us to capture her arm.
I like the respect and honor taught in Aikido schools , they don't just teach about winning fights to boost your ego .
Aikido CANT teach anyone about winning fights because noone has ever won a fight using Aikido ;-)
Awesome dogs!
Beautiful dogs by the way
Very good .
I have a suggestion ,
use your own strikes to create pauses in your opponent's attacks therefore giving you opportunities to launch your own grappling counter attacks
such as a rear naked choke , a shoulder pulldown attack , a single leg takedown .
Also look at Muay Thai and kickboxing matches where throws are allowed to see what is likely to work in a street fight .
Sir you are living a dream opportunity, the beautifulness of aikido and respect you have to it as you try to maintaine, I profounly admire your respectfulness toward leveling up the art, is right on spot, I wish I would be near your school and just shake the hand of a humble man visioning the self rescue of a such a passionet form of martial art, as it seems you are on the verge of reasuming its original, if not a much higher purpose and a greater destiny for it, aikido the martial that conceptualized the true purpose of all martial arts
Why no atemi ?
lol the dogs
What you are doing is really great for the study of self defense and learning what parts of your TMA can and don't apply in that context.
There is a distinction between self defense and the cultural practice of traditional martial arts.
There is value in most TMA if they aren't expected to be modern self defense systems. Self defense is in general a very different mindset from TMA, especially Aikido.
Man Sao - That is the answer to your question
I’m sorry but you would never catch a boxers punch
I agree, that's actually the point of the video too :)
Martial Arts Journey looking back at my comment it seems quite hostile, it wasn’t intended that way, I wish you success in your journey man, ous 🙏
Thank you Ryan! I honestly didn't feel any hostility towards me and I agree with you
You deserve my respect.
That applies to a boxer doing boxing in a vacuum. No one is suggesting that pure aikido in front of pure boxing permits a perfect catch that is effective in a practical sense. It eliminates atemi and the entry of aikido which is actually required in this technique. Rojas does it without the forearm block and most importantly it is being demonstrated with out the dynamics . When you advance in aikido you create an opening or persuade uke to attack ... it is subtle ... systema uses it all the time and then crashes in... this is too one dimensional and again is a comparison of the art of aikido being compared to sport or reality ... no serious practitioner of aikido is under any illusion that pure dojo aikido marries up to real life or abstract scenarios created in the vacuum of a dojo ...
Love the Huskies!
I have never traind akido but i have done this technic in sparring. It can be done. But not often.
5:32 LOOK AT DAT GOOD BOI HELPIN! XD
I love your dogs
What I have found is that when an opponent is much larger, they are more likely to try and incorporate grapples into their fighting style. Here aikido is applicable as without it we face a contest of strength we cannot win.
When our opponent is not using grapples a difference in strength is less important, and instead being faster and using hard martial arts is the focus.
Now this is the kind of analysis that I think would be great use for Aikido. Just jumping straight into an MMA spar without this kind of context, it really just gave the trolls and haters more ammo. This is was sorely needed.
That said, what I did notice is that precisely because of the defensive nature of how Aikido is meant to work, it's almost purely reactive. You always wait for the opponent to take the initiative. Perhaps the question really is whether anyone can expect a martial art that only ever reacts to an attack to work all the time. If Aikido was more free to account for active offense as well as it's reactive counters, it could well plug those low-probability holes you talked about with regard to many Aikido techniques. Aikido techniques can work and work very well, but reactive counter-throws can't be the only content of your fighting style in a realistic pressure situation.
As a boxer, I know very well what can happen if you allow the rules of a sport, the ruleset that determines range of motions possible in a competition, to basically reward the abuse of the singular tactic of defending by constantly running away and clinching to disrupt the fight, as a way to win by technicality. It's called Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, AKA the most disappointing non-fight in combat sports history. It's very much the most viable way to pursue a purely defensive style, but it's so dependent on the limited range of motion imposed by boxing's rules that Mayweather would be absolutely useless in a brawl.
She actually got you off balance. I do agree with your resistance practice.
Our policy for self defense techniques (Japanese style of karate) is:
slow and perfect form, static pre-arranged attack.
As form develops, increase speed.
As speed becomes effective, attacker offers resistance or extraction.
Continue resistance practice and add alternative defenses if original static defense did not work.
Man you can't catch a punch
lol, that's the point. Trying to catch a punch is stupid, no matter what martial art you are practicing....
Chad Windham Yes you can, what do you think all the boxer is doing in the ring?
@@hugochu8775 Because they're wearing gloves, so it makes it easier to catch a punch.
Thunb up for the doggo-jutsu.
The reality is that on the street, few people throw straight punches and those that they do, tend to be thrown with follow-through and heavy commitment. More often than not, a powerful right comes in at an angle or as a curving, hooking shot. Personally, if I can't get away from a right hand, I prefer a crash inside or a shoulder roll, whichever I have chance for but as a fall-back, just getting some form of arm interruption/coupled with a head movement out of line of fire. None of these techniques that advocate a neat response to a right hand are based upon pressure. The art of boxing is negating the opponents ability to throw the right, through position, range, head control etc. Once in motion, a powerful right hand is dangerous, unpredictable.
street boxing uk is right, 99% of the time it will be a wild hook punch with full commitment. My teacher always said if they throw a straight punch, your in for trouble.
Nice seeing you clift! Always enjoy your comments and whole-heartedly agree with both. Most punches are heavy looping hooks and in reality you will like 'crash in' and work close... if somehow you're totally not spazzing out you may use the momentum for tenkan in an aikido way but you would have to be a pretty composed person to execute that ... I have not used that bc real fights are too explosive. I have used ikkyo with tenkan a couple times and that was only bc the attacker had full momentum and the arm just presented itself ... : )
Street boxing UK the main thing people don't address is that people only attack people they think they can beat. That and sucker punches. In three years of tending bar I never saw any other kind of fight. It was either a huge dude destroying some poor kid or a dude getting blasted in the side of the head out of nowhere.
And always wild haymakers.
I think the only people who throw straights are people who're trained in something, and then aikido is useless.
Jay Middleton yes, exactly which is why so much of self defense needs review. It's always an overwhelming advantage either in numbers, size, surprise or weapons. Humans are cowards by nature. People who get attacked are invariably the most attackable.
Got a little video about how I adapt the right for the street, actually. In real terms, the distance to throw a power shot like the right cross is probably only going to occur at the initiation of a conflict and it's important to capitalise on the moment with an attack that doesn't depend upon precision targeting and doesn't fail and leave you exposed - czcams.com/video/nxnym9anmtE/video.html
Hi man, me again! In Shodokan Aikido we recognise four opportunities against strikes. These occur during preparation (e.g. taking a stance), moving in, arrival and withdrawal. Your timing against these is to do a move at any of these points. In your example of a straight punch you could just go in for a gyakugamae-ate before the strike and smoother it. During, you showed some good examples. When pulling back you could move in for kuzushi and do sumi otoshi. On arrival, as she has committed, you can move to the inside perhaps and go for shomen-ate. There is plenty you can do.
Grabbing a hand like you show is almost impossible, instead (for example) we drill scooping the wrist and/or elbow as you do te sabaki - that you can do to great effect!
Honestly man, if you're coming to England to see the Aikido Flow guys (love their videos, btw!) go to a Shodokan dojo and ask to see our randori drills and practice. I think you'll like it. :)
czcams.com/video/F4qXuVAtXUs/video.html This video shows off a lot of good ippons, mostly counters to be fair. But the timing at 1:35 for a waki gatame is sublime. The guy avoids down, a ballsy move, not sure I'd attempt it in a street fight. But it demonstrates you can time a grab on a strike. The opponent certainly didn't leave his hand there, he intended to pull back for another strike. Shodokan is a sport format of the martial art, after all, but it goes a long way to demostrating application.
More you post and MORE i understand how MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUUUUUCCCCHHHHH you're talented in the path you are going through. Complimenti dalla Sicilia =congratulations from Sicily my Dear Brother. You're SURELY open minded and MORE SURELY A GREAT PERSON
Thank you
Agreed. Another good way to test this though would be to get in stance a safe distance from her and tell her to punch either shoulder as hard as she wants. No more instruction than that. let her decide at what range to throw from, what angle and foot placement, how fast to throw or rectract. This will get you a very good approximation to a real punch.
Dirt Diver I understand what you're saying. Thats the flaw with a lot phantasy martial arts. You always has to punch , kick, or move a certain way to make it work. A person should not attack from a dead position. They should have the freedom to punch how ever they need so you can adapt.
Anthony Allen exactly, thats why its easy to make techniques look so badass in a demo, the "attack" is a completely known quantity and has no variables.
As shown here, give the opponent any freedom and it all falls apart pretty quick.
Stop thinking of Aikido as techniques, irimi is a concept and the techniques that utilize irmimi, or as I like to think of them "exercises" are there to help develop an understanding of the concept. Also, don't grab, no idea why some Aikikai clubs incorporate grabbing. It's blending, has nothing to do with grabbing. Your right, a traditional boxing jab would be practically impossible to try and grab, unless you're faster than the other guy, so why take the risk. Another point , too many Aikidoka move backward, which is basically retreating. A good way to get killed. Slip the punch and move in, at the same time, slightly change their line of attack, putting them slightly off balance as they adjust. Take the opportunity to apply a technique, or just do an atemi. I personally like to throw an elbow at that moment.
I certainly appreciate your honesty and your approach; yet, it occurs to me that Aikido was never intended to be an art that taught people how to fight. It was intended to be an art for people who already knew how to fight, and traditionally practitioners in Aikido would already be proficient in one or more hard styles or striking arts before ever embarking on softer arts, such as Aikido. Given that, I can’t help but wonder if you’re not coming at this backwards-trying to incorporate elements of MMA, BJJ, kickboxing el al (legit fighting systems) into Aikido instead of the other way around. Anyway, I applaud the fact that you’re on this journey, which many of us have found ourselves. Stay honest, and Oss!
If you've seen his 2nd sparring video, that's actually his motivation. As he'd shown in several videos, pure aikido doesn't help you much outside the dojo at all. And it's important to emphasize that because there are still a lot of people who firmly believes in aikido without properly pressure testing it like he's doing here, and that leads to well-intentioned but ill-informed trainings like he demonstrated. So the main focus of his channel for the past year is actually trying to evolve the training style for aikido to make it practical, and that can't be done without first considering aspects of other martial arts styles. So while it would be going backwards to hamfist aikido into a street fight, it's very reasonable to update the techniques to be more effective by considering real world context and integrating functional aspects of other styles.
Christoper Ducker typically you dont meet those people. Stereotypes exist for a reason, and the stereotype of an Akido practitioner is a fresh faced, insecure weakling with an undeserved sense of moral and technical superiority over other styles. You don’t meet many people today in Aikido the who didn’t start in aikido.
At our dojo we have a drill where the defender wears a headgear and the attacker just goes swinging at him with Boxing gloves. He is supposed to a) really attack and b) being very aggressive and keep moving forward in order to (somewhat) emulate an attack on the street
I also enjoy the hypothetical counterargument from Aikidoka that throwing punches in sharp, quick combinations is unrealistic because in real fights punches are rigid harpoons you use to impale your opponent into a tree. Ideally, your punch starts from seven feet away and you charge forward with your arm fully extended as you attempt to ram your fist through their lungs, then use a ridge-hand strike to the neck to ensure they don't turn into a White Walker.
The one thing that stands out to me in the questioning of martial arts theories is that in the classroom, dojo, dojang, or whatever culture your martial arts were born in is for the purpose of learning. So of course movements are going to be static as minds at different levels chew on the martial theories offered for thought. That being said. Practical application of theory in dynamic live situations may go according to plan or it may not. The point is you have some strategies to employ rather than be caught in a hail storm of violence with no options.
Like your dogs by the way .
hey about grabbing punches, try grabbing the ones not thrown, when at their center. they punch you avoid punch by moving in off line and grabbing wrist when fist is returns back to center.
On a scale of 1-10 that you'll succeed in using that technique in a street fight this gets a 2. Aikido reminds me of an experience I had growing up. In elementary school there was no kicking in the groin, no gouging no hard stuff if you got into a fight with a bully. It was more like two puppies rolling around. Yes you'll get punched but it was more dented pride than anything else. When I graduated to junior high school and was pushed around by a bully and had to fight him, all those elementary school rules were useless. This guy was trying to take me out. I learned fast that the real world was quite different from the sheltered bubble of elementary school. Aikido is beautiful to look at, elegant in fact. But in the real world, honestly I would run.
Thankyou... For coaching "street fighter" #aikido #never #attack #keep #calm
"What was that, a show? Do it with meaning!"-Bruce Lee training with a kid who was told to kick him, but did it in such a way that the kick would never connect.
Tomiki's style of Aikido provides answers to some of your questions. We are not taught to catch a punch while standing in front of it. Always move your feet & get out of the line of attack, locate the hand/arm, then apply a technique. And if you can't get a technique, at least you avoided the attack. Also we use shomen ate strikes with many of our techniques.
It’s all bullshit. Good luck catching my punch
@@joker6558 If you don't have anything constructive to say, better not say anything. Keyboard warrior, I doubt if your punch is that great. There's a lot of people who could put you down. 😂
I agree. I haven't had the opportunity to do much pressure testing, but jabs are a huge issue for traditionally trained aikidoka. The best I did was deflect strikes, not sure how many, but my partner, a low-level pro boxer, stated he'd never had so many deflections from anyone before. Even so, I was being forced back. I was at his mercy, even when he wasn't landing any strikes.
I haven't been able to follow up on that testing, but I did theorize that the best solution was stopping a strike at the elbow, similar to a Yokomen-uchi, and stepping in.
That said, one thing I did notice in this video which makes me question some effectiveness is the lack of atemi. How would a diversionary strike have changed the situation, if at all? One quote my instructors liked to use was "Atemi is 90% of Aikido". Just a thought. You have much more experience than me, so I'm probably pulling from my ass on this.
Love it Roka! Great job highlighting training methodology vs. application outside the dojo.
If only he could have commented on his dogs' system. Clearly, they're also training combative dog techniques.
You attack me this way...huh!?
No! I’m playing to win!...not to be your victim!!!😸
Es una buena conclusion cerrar la distancia mientras ella retrae la mano , ya q al cerrar distancia se elimina el factor velocida en su brazo y q es la velocidad segun la formula V= d / t donde d= distancia y t= tiempo , al cerrar la distancia y seguir el brazo le quitamos la distancia y por tanto la velocidad ya no se cumple y se nos hace mas facil capturar su brazo.
Great video!
You should try with someone your size tho... And practice doing it for real until you make it!
I practice boxing now, but i used to practice a korean martial art that had some "aikido throws" (its called subakdo) and i find it quite easy to catch the hands, the real problem is the oponent resisting, but it still works most of the time even if i get punched once or twice mid technique
Try to apply your aikido techniques when you are in the clinch. Use footwork and hand deflections to avoid getting hit then clinch. From there setup your aikido techniques from the clinch.
Anthony Williams that's correct but that is not how aikido is trained but correct
I like the idea on paper... but the clinch is such an intense, physically draining and brutal phase of sparring and fighting. You'll be trying to execute a very precise and difficult technique on someone who is constantly unloading elbows and knees at you while never stopping to try to unbalance you. Visibility and mobility is also severely reduced.
Even if you do manage to properly initiate that takedown, I can easily see you getting off balance and thrown before you execute, or even worse... succesfully executing the throw and still ending up on your back in a choke 2 seconds later.
Still, I do like the idea and always thought there is room for more creativity in the way we think of the standup grappling phase of a fight. I'd like to see people properly executing stuff like that against a resisting opponent, but I'll remain skeptical :D
That's how it is trained in my lineage/federation.
Every style has its strengths and weaknesses. BJJ and Muay Thai included.
You should check out Hein's approach to Aikido! A lot of Aikido makes sense when you realize it's mostly dealing with weapons, not empty hands.
Check out our videos we did together
if you are trying to catch a punch, then you have already lost, the real way to self defence is to be the first one hitting, then your joint locks will work.
all boxers use the straight punch for distraction or to open the defence of the opponent no boxer stands and throw the punch, always move around in circles because they want to find the right angle with untrained fighters the problems is they dont think just react to the situation and this become problematic because its unpredictable because the dont use the patterns in movement and the combos that use a train fighter its important how to pressure test the technics because its not have the same logic in every situation
When I was reading the comments about catching a punch I didn't know they mean that like legitimately catching the fist in a hand... I'm glad I didn't comment about it before watching part of the video. I was assuming it would not a literal punch that's kind of crazy lol. I do TMA (Kenpo if anyone is interested) which for me has been pressure tested in the dojo/gym/school/class in tournaments and in real life. So for those curious TMA (traditional martial arts) can work as long as you are learning legitimate things and you are learning the concepts. The first thing you have to realize about TMA is that the techniques may not translate into direct combat in the sense that you do every move in a specific way, but they can translate as concepts. You understand how the body moves/works and what you can do and should do from certain positions. Often times you won't need an entire lengthy move just a few steps from it or concepts of it. Keep in mind the human element and you can make something out of most arts. Excluding Olympic TKD... that's made only for sport all the combat elements of old old old school traditional TKD are out the window in favor of scoring points and for
I think you make an excellent point. For example near the end of the video, Rokas was able to apply some kind of shoulder lock on his wife as a natural reaction to how she was moving. It was an instinct I expect he's developed over many years of training joint locks.
I think the issue is people doing TMA who sell it as something it isn't. If a Krav Maga guy said he wanted to enter a Karate kata competition then everyone would ask him what he was smoking. If a boxer entered a grappling tournament then he'd get pulled apart. I don't know if you've heard the violin and hammer analogy. A bit of a long read aperturefightfocused.com/category/mike-coup/ but I think point is, the TMA guys who claim that their martial art system is the best (not something I'm accusing you of doing) for self defence need to reassess what their martial art is for.
I understand your point and I totally agree that TMA can teach you the fundamentals about body movement in addition to having many other interesting advantages.
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But learning the "concepts" without their implementations only leads to failure. It's like arguing that a mathematician will be able to do an engineers job because he understands the concepts behind it. It just doesn't work that way. Learning "fundamentals" and "concepts" in martial arts is mostly useless (in my opinion). This is a very applied science, as much as engineering is. When the implementation of the concept becomes as complex as the concept itself (in terms of the time you need to spend to learn it), then you must start thinking if you want to be able to "understand", or ymto actually apply.
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Take some punch combinations for example. You may spend days of slowly drilling and understanding, but probably someone who has just drilled the combinations in sparring for the same amount of time will be able to use them better to fight.
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Now I'm not criticizing you personally. I'm just explaining why the "conceptual understanding" argument in martial arts is a fallacy (again just my opinion, of course). If you practice kenpo karate and compete, do sparring, etc then I don't see why any other fighter be it a boxer or an MMA fighter would be more fight ready than you, I just find that that line of thought is wrong, independently of your actual fighting skills.
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The reason why you don't teach an engineer the same amount of abstract math that you teach to a mathematician is the same reason why you shouldn't focus that much on concepts about body movement and just learn to be aware of them instinctively through your training.
Of course you need to learn technique. But not technique as abstract concepts, but as templates of movements that implement those concepts in a meaningful way. A boxer may not have received a single conceptual lesson about body movement, yet he sure can move with an extraordinary precision and skill. An electric technician may not know as much about electricity as a physicist, but the experience and applied knowledge he has will make him a much better professional for most "practical things" even though he has much less conceptual knowledge.
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I hope my metaphors don't look too weird 😂 but I firmly believe that the relation between different layers of abstraction is similar for everything.
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Here, I guess the MMA fighter would be closer to the electric technician, and the "practical things" are actually fights. And the physicist... I guess something like Tai Chi? But you won't find many people who think a physicist is useless, while there are certainly many who think so of Tai Chi practitioners (at least regarding their ability to fight). Maybe fight science doesn't have too much to learn from upper level conceptual abstractions. Many applied sciences don't. If you just keep getting higher and higher in the abstraction, you just end with a knowledge that is almost useless for the objective it was originally intended for (winning fights).
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Just an (extense) opinion. I have not always thought this way, but now I do. ☮️☮️☮️
Can I just add that I can confirm as someone who has spent 3 years learning abstract maths I have just a little bit more of applicable maths knowledge than someone who just finished high school, which is because I once finished high school myself and then I learnt the "why does this work" after I learnt the practical things. Totally agree with you and slightly weirded out by how much this argument resonated with me since I'm a mathematics student :o
Concepts without proper practice makes one ill prepared for real application. Agreed. In my specific case we have pressure tested our art in the school. We spar as well as practice the techniques. Learning the application is as important as learning the concept. With only one you go into battle with either armor or a sword, but when you have an understanding of both you go into battle fully prepared.
My comment is similar to the one I made on your first pressure testing video -- tests need to be done with a clear question (note, not outcome) in mind. You started saying you wanted to test a technique the involved responding to a punch by stepping out of the line, closing in, and grabbing the opponent's hand to a test of whether you could grab a punch out of midair. Both might be good tests, but they are unrelated. So, was the initial question well-defined? Was the initial question fairly tested? Was it answered? Once you have those answers, then I think you can move on to the questions raised by the first, such as what happens when the opponent throws more than one punch.
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Dogs werent bothered at first but as soon as that first realistic punch was thrown one of the dogs tried to distract you. Almost like dogs have a feeling for when attacks are potentioally serious or just totaly harmless.
This is a great effort, however I feel there is a major flaw: the intent is missing. You are still trying not to hurt each other, and it affects your movements when you try to perform the techniques. You obviously don't feel the threat from your wife, who's trying to hit you, but not hurt you. I've tried such scenarios with partners bigger than me, and who understand that they need to come at me with the intent to hurt me. Just the pressure from the intent will reflect on your movement, so I respectfully suggest you get a better uke so you the demonstrate the true effect of a pressure test.
She was trying to hurt me, trust me :)
While turning up the intensity during sparring/drills isn't a bad thing, going all in and subjecting himself to actual danger for a pressure test is a bad idea. Efficacy of the techniques notwithstanding, until he's gained enough experience using them in this more active and adaptive manner, starting light and taking his time is the way to go.
Though he's definitely going to want to enlist a more competent striker, throwing bombs at his face this early in the game is just going to get him hurt.
Fooacta definitely agree that we all drill light, and ramp up the intensity along the way. My point is intent and intimidation - it doesn't matter if Rokas doesn't actually get hit. I'm a small guy, just 1.6m, and when I'm partnering someone 1.8m and above, there's a world of difference when he decides to dial up the intent. You can feel crazy pressure even just standing still. This pressure will absolutely affect your movement.
Martial Arts Journey you 2 are a beautiful couple, and I know all do nothing to hurt each other 😊
I would say it is possible for a smaller partner to apply the appropriate intent. I had a partner in my old dojo that I dreaded pairing with when we did tachi waza. (I was young back then and didn't realize she was doing me a favor) All of her strikes missed me by a hair's breath, traveling at a velocity high enough to be able to hear the blade whistle past my skull. It was terrifying. Which is why I now say the intent is really important, even if you don't get hurt.
Dennis Wan Ah, I see what you mean and I agree to an extent. Sparring with much bigger and/or vastly more experienced guys used to be extra nerve wracking when they decided to take things seriously, but it was a good sensation to get used to and overcome.
However I still think he needs to hold off on introducing that level of stress until he's gotten somewhat proficient with this new way of applying his techniques. Too much pressure and being too concerned about success isn't likely to be helpful at this stage.
What if you try to grab the arm instead of the fist?
did you train in akikai? i practice korindo an we never ever go after hands . if the attack isnt commited and we just stick it out there we get yelled at. in korindo we also cling to our tai sabaki .
Huskies are a trip
i practiced aikido a little bit and mostly the dojo's blackbelts used to say aikido is about avoiding conflict until its impossible
wich would mean they believe rectractible punches and stuff like that can be avoided just by walking away
of course this is not very much a fighting techinique per say, but i'd like to ask you if it would make sense to use aikido more for dodging and less for reaction until maybe the oponent uses teir hips and entire body to perform a full weight blow when the oponent is more tired
CONFIRMED: Aikido only works
if ike is being savaged by a pack of feral wolves in Alaska.
The forest is missed because there is a tree in the way. :(
Lol haven’t you heard when you were beginner “ take uke center, do not focus on the extremities”
Pressure testing is a must. Get your training partner to throw blows at you, in combinations at real speed. See if you can pull your aikido tecnique. If you can, try now with kicks and punches and see if if works, again. Then put some elbows in the mix. If your technique can overcome all that, it may work for real...
Usually when the martial artist stands in a stance that uses the center line the movement of the body is at the waist. There can be very little hand movement during the shifting of a stance that moves the hand. If the hands are already in place held in stance then the technique might be easier to draw. Its like that: drawing lots. When only a few seconds separates you from the moment you get hit, dodge, parry, it takes a ready position to shift through all the possibilities. That's the only thing i can see really: I don't know too much Aikido. You have to train your stance: your center line more than your movement. Then train your stance to match the opponent's position and movement. (Also: such techniques as baiting a particular attack can be employed in which the varying stages of the fight itself will determine how the punch lands, but it doesn't determine your response. If there are ten moves that effectively block on strike be ready in a position that connects them all and move freely. Don't tense up as it regrets your actual speed and blocks your meridians.) I say if you successfully blocked it you succeeded in one part of the execution. Then its only to redirect the energy: control the energy rather. And your eye has to be steady and vision clear enough to see everything unfolding.
I want to start a new martial art that combines Aikido and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and call it Brazilian aiki jujitsu
I myself am putting together a system I call Battlefield MMA , consisting of Pankration and Arnis modified with Catch Wrestling and Western Boxing .
You should get a PhD for studying aikido
Why do you say that?
because he's got the attitude
I think a lot of people really underestimate how dangerous a straight punch is. Humans are inherently bad at gauging the distance of objects approaching head on. This is why jabs and straights are so hard to defend against much less try to grab.
I think you might be onto something in making your aikido work. There was something happening in your concept at the end.
Rokas. I believe that the best technique that you could use is the Steven Seagal way of dealing with a fast retracting straight punch. You got the Irimi/ entering part correct, but if you try catching the wrist, it’s going to be extremely difficult, I would say impossible to catch it, instead try going for the shoulder and sliding down to the wrist and you’ll catch the arm on the way back when it retracts and apply kotegaeshi. It’s the only way. I’ve pressure tested this with karate and mma guys.