2018 MLB Hall of Fame discussion
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- 2018 MLB Hall of Fame discussion on The Michael Kay Show. Subscribe for daily sports videos!
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Its like when people say Trout is the greatest CF of all-time and young people refuse to look at any players prior to 2010
It's hilarious
Hark Aaron said before his knee injury Mickey Mantle "had more talent than any of us."
Michael Kay is RIGHT!! Baseball's true history is connecting the past with the future...
Gabriel Davidson no it's not. Nobody cares about the fact that hugh Duffy batted .440 in 1894.
Rudy C ...Dude! That's not considered modern day! Groundrule doubles were honers back then...Know your history
Gabriel Davidson And... so your saying high Duffy shouldn't be in the hall?
Rudy C ...Did ANYTHING I say mean that in the slightest?? That's a straw-man argument...
Rudy C ...Now, go away before I send the troll killer...
Kay is 100% right in the last minute or so. Roiders assaulted the integrity of the records and real fans understand that THAT’S what underlies the transcendence of the sport.
JJDSports2012 wilt chamberlains stats were inflated. Nobody complains about his physical advantages against all the weaklings in the 60s.
Vlad not getting in last year was a crime
Put in Fritz Peterson & Mike Kekich. Then make em swap plaques.
In: Bonds, A-Rod, Clemens
All the the rest idk, those guys above are hall of gamers before juice and during
If known steroid uses get in, then Pete Rose should get in. Pete should be in anyway.
Not the same issue.
@@ThekiBoran peds are worse than what rose did
@@shadowbolt518
Wrong, gambling has the potential to totally destroy MLB because nobody would go to games if they were fixed/the outcome was determined before the first pitch was thrown, steroids put asses in seats which is why MLB dragged their feet cleaning it up. I'm not advocating for roids but that's the truth. Gambling is still way worse than roids and I'd bet dollars to donuts any owner would say the same.
Rose should obviously be in. And i don't like him. I think he's a massive egotistical shmuck. But So was Ty Cobb. Pete Rose obviously belongs.
@@davidlevy4291
Ty Cobb's reputation was smeared by a writer who had an axe to grind. Perhaps Cobb refused an invitation to have gefilte fish and matzah ball soup so the writer took offense?
Shoutout Peter Rosenberg Jack of all Radio Trades
Why the fuck is Rosenberg on sports talk radio? This guy knows nothing about sports... he's a radio personality on hot 97 so he got on an afternoon show about sports .. wtf?
You won't vote them in because they got suspended? Wasn't the suspension their punishment? I get it if you think they wouldn't be HOF worthy without it, but A-Rod, Manny, Clemens, Bonds, etc. deserve to be in.
No pitchers go out there every innings total of 9 possiblity. Meaning they play every inning of the game until he is told to exit the game. The DH doesn't do that. He bats once every three innings unless there are a lot of hits.
HOyt Wilhelm was first reliever.
WHen was reliever looked upon as no I am not putting ghim in Cause I'm 41 years old so at minimum it was a long time ago.
You have a bunch of old guys they never play the game voting making decisions on who’s getting in or not
Edgar is supposed to get in next year and maybe Mike Mussina should get in next year or the year after that as well. And I know most probably don’t want these guys in but Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens should get in as well but unfortunately they’re running out of time. Alex Rodriguez could get in as well but we’ll see about what happens but I believe the five I just mentioned, plus Curt Schilling and Andy Pettitte should get in as well
It may seem ludicrous but the hall of fame should include these guys otherwise it will be a complete joke for Cooperstown
they should let the one who did it before it was illegal because My opinion is that MLB knew everything that was going on but they needed that to bring fans to the ball park .they used Sosa and Marc to bring fans in now they don't want to pay back the favor.. About the DH AND CLOSER those are position that nowadays get pay good and all AL(DH) team need.
Maybe only the living HOF’ers should vote: would these guys vote in Clemens, Bonds, etc.?
I’d love to see the results of that poll...
They wouldn't vote them in they hate the steroid guys
Dooley Womack.
It's long overdue.
Meanwhile Tim Raines had crack viles in his back pocket during the game, and he is in the Hall of Fame
Bonds was a HoF before steroids. Clemens was a HoF before steroids. Both of them should be in hands down.
They would be in if they weren't dick heads
@jesusisnotallright s
Tony Horton. Then Joe Lahoud...
Thumbs down. Not hands down.
No. They cheated. I believe they both would be in before steroids but bonds and clemens are the wrongful owners of multiple records. Its about playing with humanity. If you say that they deserve to be in even though they used steroids then there should be a new rule put that makes it mandatory for players to use steroids. Because if we gonna let players use its still not fair to players who so it either has to be that all players are on steroids or no players are on steroids.
so lack of character for taking roids means nothing....so Pete Rose was a Hof'er b4 gambling....but his character is the problem....not for Bonds though huh?
I think A-Rod should be in either way. Even without PED’s he was incredible and there’s an argument he could’ve been in the GOAT conversation. Same thing with Bonds. Look at Cano this year, no one thought he was on juice than outta nowhere he fails a test. Everyone is cheating
He forfeited his chance to be in when he got caught not once, not twice but three times, lied about it and then had the nerve to throw each and every person who supported him and stood up for him under the damn express-way. He was a great talent and player without the juice, yes I agree, but he also gave up his chance to go to the hall.
@@tylerriley5976
When was A-roid not juicing?
Thome never walked with bob
Put Arod in the hall of fame
Here's the thing about Andy Pettitte: He's stupid. That's not unusual in the baseball, but it made him susceptible to following Clemens and when he got injured he used steroids to help him get better. Certainly it was wrong, but there is a level of inderstanding of why he did what he did. You would not expect that from other high integrity players who were also smart, like Jeter, Griffey, Mussina, Granderson, and others.
You also need to keep in mind that the rule doesn't 100% make sense. Roberto Colon got surgery that normally includes HGH as part of the recovery process. He didn't take it and likely suffered more pain and bigger risk the surgery would have failed as a result. Now of he had taken the HGH it would not have still been effecting him by the time he healed and got back to the majors. So they should have a procedure to have an exception for legitimate usage, preapproved by MLB, with a waiting period between taking it and playing again.
Next thing you know Sosa hit 32.36 38 then60
brady anderson
Paul ronsenberg made himself look like a fucking idiot calling Manny a on the line hall of famer and that Ortiz was the clear hall of famer. Manny was waaaaaay better then Ortiz and he made Ortiz a better hitter himself and Ortiz has been on record saying that. Rosenberg needs to stick to hot 97 and not talk about baseball. I love how Michael Kay and the other guy shut him down saying naaaa stupid Manny is a slam dunk, one of the greatest hitters of all time period
The BBWAA is a joke. Has been for a while. Scott rolen really but not Dave parker thats only 1 of dozen examples
Who is this clown that a saying Manny Ramirez was borderline before the steroids?
Bonds & Clemons are both all time greats no doubt. I have never disputed that. My problem with them is that they cheated. Bottom Line. Yes Bonds was a good player & yes Clemons was great. Jim Thome was great without cheating, so was Palmeiro. Yes I know he cheated too, but Rafy was great.
Steroids hit my high school in the 80's. Many of us who refused to use where less valued by our coaches. It hurt the young talents that had natural abilities. Very few of the steroid users worked harder then the athlete busting his ass every day and not keeping up with the cheats.
Zachary Jacobs by that logic, you can say that tall players should not be on the basketball team because it's not fair to the little guys.
Not the unnaturally tall.
Zachary Jacobs there are "getting taller" drugs?
What are you asking or challenging me on? If a person is NATURAL means no drugs. I never said ban bigger or stronger athletes. Ban those that Cheat.
Zachary Jacobs so if I am coaching a little league team that has a 6 foot tall 8 year old. You would be fine with that? Let's say I kept dumping it into him and we won 350- 25. And he scored all 350 points.
Arod needs to be in hall of fame or by the time I am a old man I will hate baseball
then hate because he never gets in....suspended 162 games...lied 3 times...please go watch football
Guys...Hoyt Wilhelm was the first reliever...
testing was a complete joke .... thats why testing is a poor barometer. IMO
No. Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds are cheaters. I believe they both would be in before steroids but bonds and clemens are the wrongful owners of multiple records. Its about playing with humanity. If you say that they deserve to be in even though they used steroids then there should be a new rule put that makes it mandatory for players to use steroids. Because if we are gonna let players use them its still not fair to players who so it either has to be that all players are on steroids or no players are on steroids.
If we define it as "cheating" the conversation is closed. One cannot be a sportsman and cheat. It defeats the whole point. Sport is not war: it is not predicated on anything goes. Sport is nothing without the rules of engagement.
It gets complicated if we're talking about a time before specific rules were made. For example, Babe Ruth used to scarf down a couple dozen hot dogs before the game, and play the game off that induced euphoria. Now, what if someone figured out the exact set of nutrients that gave him the lift and distilled them into a pill? Is there a difference? it's one heckuva complicated business defining an objective line in the sand for what nutrients, and what quantities of nutrients, constitute "cheating". I have no clue where to draw that line!
All I know is I don't want cheaters in the game. (I don't want to shake their hands, I don't want them over for dinner... you get the point.)
Isaiah Sellassie how about genes? Shaq was definitely born with an advantage. And we all how "skilled" Shaq was.
Hey Rudy! Genes are a big deal, no doubt about it. I'm not sure how you mean to relate genes to this issue. Help me understand your point. Different individuals respond to nutrients in different ways, that much I admit readily.
Piazza never took steroids
Liam Grima how u know ?
The biggest argument against a DH In the HOF is that the National League doesn't have them so a DH only has half the peers to be compared to where as all other players are compared to players in all of MLB.
61 is still the record, just like Stanton said.
It's not "alternative reality". It's the reality, where cheaters records are fraudulent.
Mikey Martinelli is Shaq a cheater for being 7'1"? Are sumo wrestlers cheaters for eating too much pizza?
Bring steroids back! Baseball sucks without steroids.
Nope, 73 is the record. Accept it, douche
Starlin Peña ...Actually, the bs record is 762...Get your facts right...Then get over it...It's still 61 and 755...Guys that DIDN'T cheat...
Michael Kay is wrong we know Bonds & Clemens would have been HOF guys but they cheated period putting them in you can't do that & I look at their cases Bonds look at his size in Pittsburgh compared to his later Giants days obvious. Clemens you look at the way his Red Sox career end .500 record then 2 Cy Youngs with Toronto & don't forget Yankees starting with a 20-1 record one year. So failing a test means zero to me looking compared records like Clemens last Red Sox year to his Blue Jay & Yankee years. Bonds simple body looks from Pittsburgh to his final years in SF, you don't get that much bigger lifting weights only period.
From what I've seen from Ruth,, mantle,, nights out drinking,, cheating on there wife's,, if some guy back in the day told them if they take this shit it will make you stronger they both would have said fuck yeah. Only thing I don't like about the whole , players from the past thing.
The steroid Era is a part of baseball history, a dark patch but a part of it nonetheless, let them in and tell the story
Adrian Beltran,
Kevin Brown
Curt Schiling
Mike Mussina
Mariano Rivera
T.Hoffman
michael young
edgar martinez
Derek Jeter
Gary Sheffield
There are no innuendoes with Bonds and Clemens: they’re proven steroids users.
Miguel Pimentel you have proof
And so is Big Phony, the darling of the media who's been coddled repeatedly while Clemens and Bonds get made to wear scarlet letters.
Bonds never failed test
Moral integrity in baseball???? A sport that excluded certain people from the game for years???? Adulterers, racists and others are in the HOF. Get out of here with that moral integrity stuff 😂😂😂😂
Thank you! These white supremacists are hilarious. Any stats from 1884-1946 are stained.