If Alonso turned without watching his mirrors he would have been torpedoed by Hamilton. I'm pretty sure him checking the mirror for so long was because he saw the speed at which Hamilton was closing in.
@tedfromyt6523 at that point Hamilton was already going for it and Alonso knew it and tried to leave the space, but ultimately had no choice but turn, since he had Stroll to his left turning. Besides that, Hamilton was never going to make it without crashing into someone, as it was 3 wide, even 4 wide at one point. And to add to that, Hamilton's move would be considered a divebomb which is not allowed for a reason, cars ahead were already turning when Hamilton crashed into them. I think Hamilton thought it was clear past Alonso so he could squeeze Alonso to a wider line and get away with it. It was a misjudgement in Hamilton's side
@@sorinhorvath4680 for you being stupid this is easy it is alonso is wrong at the alonso stroll collision no matter what ur saying. it clear no onboard cam he was busy on his side mirror. hamilton is clear at fault on hamilton-alonso collision. BUt on stroll norris collision its not clear if alonso counter steer contribute more on collision as we see here 2:24 even if hamilton didnt hit them alonso left front tyre lining up with stroll rear tyre and with the counter steer to make it worse even if hamilton didnt hit alonso . norris and stroll colllisiion would still exist EASY AS THAT dont care what alonso says clear on the footage
Stroll does not even need to play a major hand in this incident and people still blame him for it. Some people really only see the world from a tunnel.
The biggest issue is ham wasn't penalized for it. All his fans always cry that he gets penalized for everything but this is yet another classic example of him getting away unscathed.
@@groundedgaming you are defending a rich dumbass that shouldn't even be in the grid, people will always use him as an escape goat, and they rightfully should. He wont even care while relaxing on his cruise ship, trust me
Alonso was clearly avoiding the approaching Hamilton, he did not "misjudge", he avoided a collision. Hamilton should have NEVER launched himself so deep, that was the only possible outcome.
@@MDgp5dl But at 1:27 it's clear that Hamilton didn't make the corner: he missed the apex by a mile, practically stopped in the middle of the corner to square it off. Also, at 2:00 you see Alonso checking _twice_ the mirror: it wasn't a mistake, he was waiting to initiate the turn because he knew Hamilton wasn't hitting that apex. Had he turned in as normal, Hamilton would have gone straight into its side like a torpedo
It looks more to me that Alonso was aware of Hamilton bombing down on the inside and left room for that and then Stroll clumsily turned in on him. In a first corner like that you have to expect that you're going to go in several cars wide...
Did Lance Stroll prepare the commentary in this video? Stroll clearly changed lanes in the corner, I guess hoping that Alonso would evaporate, so they collided. And then Hamilton torpedoed the corner, I guess hoping everybody would evaporate. Poor Lando on the outside leaving space, never saw this coming.
@@pauladam4158 Excactly. Seems like stroll wanted to take a switcheroo like line, enter wide and late and exit near the inside. But it wasnt possible at any moment, since Alonso was alongside, he was there even before the inside white line starts to turn, so Stroll had no right to cut him off like if Alonso wasnt there. Racing incident. If there is anyone who was clearly at fault it was Lewis who colided with Alonso, but their contact wasnt the prime reason of this whole pileup.
I don't know how out of all of this you still find a way to blame it on Stroll. Stroll did nothing wrong here, left more than enough room for Alonso, he's just not telepathic and knew Hamilton would come from 2 cars back on the other side of Alonso. I like Hamilton so it's not just hate, but he did cause this. Alonso got caught out by - probably - predicting Hamilton would go into the side of him so didn't turn in on a normal line, but Stroll did absolutely nothing wrong.
@@l3gionmusic814 Because Lance has consistently demonstrated that he has the racer IQ to be aware of multiple cars on the track at once and anticipating their moves and Alonso doesn't... OK.
ur dumb lol keep being delusional its clear on the video 3:30 based on the onboard cam hamilton hitting alonso isn’t really contribute to stroll and norris crashed
@@andrewmelton2686 Another dimwit defending piss poor driving standards - because someone else did it. If your only justification for something is "yea well someone else did it too" - then you're wrong. (and it makes you sound like a child)
@@Urgrannytranny I mean you can discuss all of these tiny little things about the moment but, in the end, the driver is the only one that knows what really went on. Either way, I doubt Lewis intended to try and take out 3 cars at once.
No one said that was his intention. However, as a seven time WDC he should have known this could happen so he still willingly tried a move anyone with that level of experience would have known was dangerous. He was carrying too much speed and drove dangerously. Just look at his trajectory before the collision, he was not even close to staying on his own line.
It can just as easily be said Alonso was waiting to see where Hamilton would appear before turning into the corner rather than he misjudged the turn in to the corner. If Hamilton wasn't flying up the inside, Alonso would've just turned in at the apex,. Hamilton's move caused that whole chain reaction and guaranteed there was gonna be a collision.
but the position of hamilton 1.5 car length and based on the drone shot it is blind side of alonso car therefore that haas is more can be seen on side mirror
I like to look at it from another perspective. If Alonso had not been in that position, if we made him disappear, would Hamilton have collided with Stroll? Most likely yes, and would Stroll then have collided with Norris? I'm not so sure. To me, it's clear that Alonso sees Hamilton coming in fast from the inside and tries to make space, ending up colliding with Stroll who is unaware that Alonso is going to encroach on him to make room. If Hamilton had not come in too fast from the inside, would Alonso have collided with Stroll? Probably not
I do not agree with you this time. In 2:02 Hamilton was already ahead of Hulk and Fernando was clearly paying attention to Hamilton coming too fast, he already knew what was happening. This can be confirmed in the aerial camera. Look at the exact moment where the McLaren moves to the left in Fernando's onboard and then pay attention to that moment in the aerial camera. Hamilton is already ahead of Hulk and Fernando clearly watching him into his mirrors, and keeps checking the mirrors for a certain time after that moment while he knows that he can´t turn yet. Delays the steering input to give Hamilton as much space as possible to avoid a potential crash, and Stroll's sudden turn-in makes the crash unavoidable. I think that is unfair to say that Fernando crashed on his own because he was already reacting to Hamilton, who ultimately still crashed into him even if ALO went super wide into his teammate. In my opinion, Fernando KNEW he had nowhere to go, he was clearly watching Hamilton come way too fast. This is a great example of Fernando's awareness and the video shows the inverse thing.
I really doubt Alonso had a misjudgement because he was checking the mirror... he check the mirror much before and also brake much before of where you paused the image. He was just trying to open the inside because he already noticed HAM on the inside. But he knows that if he don't open the door he will suffer much more damage... the answer is B but both times, on the braking and on the apex... he open the line to avoid get hit from the inside from a car comming too fast... Others drivers probably didn't realize HAM on the inside and the end is a classic torpedo like Romain Grosjean hitting everyone in front...
If I can help, I rechecked the timing after the race. When the SC is decided to be out by race director, Norris is on the finish line (or very close to) Norris is 11.415s in front of Max In the same time, Tsunoda is 11.984s in front of Lewis Tsunoda pits (in 2.4s) and remains in front of Lewis for 1.166s For me with those information, the SC can't be in front of Norris (and he must lets pass everyone and it's a shame that it didn't happen like this) Even if the SC was not in front of Max, I think Norris could keep the 1st position (or maybe in worst case be 2nd but with new tyres)
Of course he wouldnt because by the time they would be at the pit entrance again, most of the grid would already be in a train. Upto Perez was already in a train when the SC crossed the pit entrance. So most likely Norris wouldve come out behind Lewis in p8 or p9.
If I remember correctly, SC waits for the cars at the exit of pit lane, SC lane number 2. If SC deployed too late and caught Verstappen but not Norris, that means Norris started before Verstappen.
When the safety car was called Lando just passed the pit entry and not even crossed the last corner before the straight but he is Bristish so we all know what happened
First, I like this channel, but this video is all wrong. Alonso was checking his mirrors and went wide BECAUSE Hamilton was coming so fast and he already judged that it was impossible that lewis did the corner. He touched stroll, not crashed. Hamilton, despite having more than enough room for his car, crashed into alonso. If you play both onboards simultaneously you will see.
Moreover, the countersteer moment Alonso had after touching Stroll most likely was due to oversteer Because when you touch someone with the fronts, it suddenly turns them, the rears can’t keep with that turning and lose grip
For me, this is a racing incident. Stroll shouldn’t turn in like he does and should have better awareness, Alonso doesn’t turn in as much because he saw Hamilton coming (when he checked his mirrors) and actually could’ve come in more, and Hamilton took a clumsy late dive only because Alonso left so much space. Clumsy driving on a track where everyone had a hard time finding grip
Stroll does absolutely nothing wrong. He's following piastri's line. Hes got vast majority of his car ahead of Alonso and has no idea Hamilton is coming. Stroll has zero blame
@@alpd7638 but piastri had all the room for taking that line as he came from the mid right side of the track with no cars near him giving him the chance of tightening the corner as he did but stroll went from the far left side of the track having alonso's car at his back right side. Also stroll's intended line is even tighter than piastri if you watch it a bit closely (at least is what it seems for me).
I was under the impression that Stroll just turned in without realizing Alonso was there, but watching you explain it has changed my mind. Good video, informative as always!
Case closed, but you are refusing to see the whole picture. If you shoot a guy and his body gets hit by lightning later, did you kill the guy or did the lightning kill him?
🔴 List of accidents investigated on first lap (or stopped restart) penalized in 2022, 2023 and 2024: 2022 🔴 E. OCON 🇫🇷 (Bahrain, start): 5 seconds penalty, 2 superlicense points. 🔴 G. RUSSELL 🇬🇧 (Austria, start): 5 seconds penalty, 2 superlicense points. “We have not considered this as a ‘first lap incident’ as it was a battle between two cars that was not affected by the other cars.” 🔴 E. OCON 🇫🇷 (France, start): 5 seconds penalty, 2 superlicense points. 🔴 D. RICCIARDO 🇦🇺 (Brazil, start): 3 penalty places for the next race, 2 superlicense points. “The Stewards recognized that the incident was not reckless. Anyway, they determined that the incident was between two cars and was not influenced by other cars, so it is not a 'first lap incident'” 2023 🔴 C. SAINZ 🇪🇸 (Australia, highlight): 5 second penalty, 2 superlicense points. “Despite the fact that it was a first lap incident, we considered that the 55 car had enough space to avoid the collision.” 🔴 N. HÜLKENBERG 🇩🇪 (Monaco, start): 5 seconds penalty, 2 superlicense points. “The Stewards consider that he dived and was unable to control the car (...), he does not have the ‘benefit of the doubt’ as it was a first lap incident.” 🔴 G. ZHOU 🇨🇳 (Hungary, start): 5 seconds penalty, 2 superlicense points. “Despite the fact that it was a first-lap incident, where some leeway is given to drivers who find themselves in the middle of a lot of cars, this particular incident is not one of those.” - 🟢 List of investigated first-lap (or standing restart) accidents not penalized in 2022, 2023 and 2024: 2022 🟢 L. HAMILTON 🇬🇧 (Belgium, start): no penalty. “The Stewards considered this to be a first-lap incident with a lot of movement relative to other cars in the first few corners.” 2023 🟢 L. HAMILTON 🇬🇧 (Qatar, start): no penalty. “Despite the fact that it can be argued that Car 44 was predominantly at fault, the Stewards, taking into account that the incident happened at Turn 1 with several cars involved, have determined that the incident is considered to be a typical Turn 1’ incident.” 2024 🟢 L. HAMILTON 🇬🇧 (Miami, start): no penalty. Thanks: Victor Abad
Alonso did his best to avoid contact with Hamilton. He looked at him twice coming like a bull from the mirror. If there's anyone to blame for the mayhem caused, it's Hamilton. What Alonso is not going to do is close the door on Hamilton and get wrecked. Hamilton even had a small lockup coming into the turn. in this case it's Reason 2, 100% sure of it
If Alonso didn't kept the inside open for Lewis, the Merc would have plowed into him and destroyed multiple cars. If Lance hadn't changed to a tighter arc in the middle of the corner, the contact with Fernando would have been minimal.
@@MadelnOahu Hamilton was right behind Alonso... Stroll was on the outside and 3 or 4 cars between he and Hamilton, it's impossible to see or expect that
@@maxbrandt1324 F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport, expecting the drivers to check their mirrors and have situational awareness is the bare minimum
watching all of these different angles, the only who looks like they werent trying to avoid a collision was stroll, granted he has the clearest road around him out of all of them. It looks like he has no idea at all there are even cars around him
its clear enough!! Hamilton came like a torpedo just like Perez in the race missjudged his breaks understeered into Alonso completely missing the apex.Thats a penalty for sure!! The contact between Stroll and Alonso is more like first lap incident.
@@hamzterix 3:30 if hamilton really contributed then the onboard cam would felt more impact not smooth alonso counter steer is more likely contributed to the push since its smooth but since stewards can’t just decide whether just because smooth or not
@tedfromyt6523 0:41 the moment Lewis really boosted them into Lando. Yes there was contact before Lewis hit (Alonso anticipating the missile's arrival) but it would have been "first lap/T1" kind of "no further investigation" light incident. Also, watch the heli shot.
3:42 I think it was option nr B. A reason why i think that is because we saw earlier that Alonso was checking his mirrors, probably seeing Lewis coming in very hot which i think made Alonso not steer in time which lead to hitting stroll at first and later when Lewis hit him i think he countersteered in a effort not to crash out completely.
I think Stroll turned in very early considering he was on the outside. Just compare his line with the cars directly in front or behind him. I think Alsonso didn't expect that und was also looking in his right mirror, where Hamilton was flying in, that why he crashed into Stroll
“It is quite unlikely” Alonso left space for Hamilton? He said himself he saw Hamilton coming in like a bull and therefor left him the space as otherwise it would have been end of race. That stroll as usual has no situational awareness and just drives into Alonso makes no difference. It is not only not unlikely, it is for sure Alonso did leave space to try and keep alive.
well drivers can lie thats why stewards base on the footage itself hamilton have a 1.5 car length thats basicly almos two cars side by side if you look into the drone shot
@@gauravmalltarlok5354 We can weigh what he said with what we watch on the video as well. I watch the video and my impression is strongly that Alonso was telling the truth. The more I watch it the clearer it becomes that he was in a tight squeeze and an accident was inevitable no matter what he did. I think the reason for that is mostly because of Hamilton going for that gap.
The first collision is Hamilton's fault too. Put yourself into Alonso's shoes: You watch your side mirror and see Hamilton NOT SLOWING down, you HAVE to leave space or he'll ram into you... If Alonso would have turned earlier, the collison with Hamilton would have been far more serious and dangerous...
@@Weijierr Hamilton was fully alongside Hulkenberg by the time Alonso decided to stay away from the inside, he absolutely did react to Hamilton's dive for T1
Sprintrace: Lewis: "I saw a gap on the inside so I went for it" Race: Kevin: "I saw a gap on the inside so I went for it" Lewis: "Magnussen drove into me" :)
The thing is, Alonso has literally nowhere to go. Stroll turned in and Hamilton dove his inside. The reason Alonso collided with Stroll in the first place, was because he knew he can't turn because he has Hamilton coming down the inside. I don't see how this is anywhere close to Alonso's fault since he basically got sandwiched into turn 1.
It doesn’t work like that. You are responsible for where your car is going, not for what’s happening behind you. It doesn’t matter who was coming behind you - you cause an accident, that’s your fault.
@@Shifftee nah broski. It's multiple scenarios happening simultaneously. That is such narrow minded thinking. If ALonso focused on Stroll inside of Lewis, he would have been washed off the track and into the barrier with the torpedo coming through the inside line. You as a driver in racing or on the consumer road do the best to avoid unnecessary collisions.
@@slimstrait780 Unless you got driven into, you cannot blame someone that was behind or alongside you for crashing into someone in front of you. It’s not another driver’s responsibility for your overreaction. So saying Hamilton is at fault for the first collision because Alonso saw him in his mirrors is totally absurd.
First comment? Jk I really don't care, i'm not those kind of idiots. I'm being serious, I really do love these videos. Provides a bunch of different perspectives without any sort of bias whatsoever. This is hard to find nowadays, so keep cooking on those videos.
@@eanfran Calm down, bro. Trust I really don't care at all. I just noted that because i clicked on the video and there were no comments. I'd prefer not to get mad at you man, but don't test it
I think Lance turned in too much and too early trying to get closer to the apex without bothering about Fernando. Look at the trajectory of Oscar who was inside of Lance and still turned conservatively compared to the sharp turn of Lance - can be seen 1:01 onwards and also from 2:12 onwards. Fernando cannot complain about Lance for obvious reasons, so he pinned all the blame on Lewis, whereas Lewis was nowhere in the picture in collision 1.
This! Crash 1 it could be argued that it was a T1 incident because Alonso went a bit wide but still, Stroll had enough room and he also turned in early. If any of them were to get a penalty it would be Stroll for turning in early with enough space on the outside but, being T1 and so tricky I think most people would be OK with no further investigation, it was not fatal but obviously being both Astons they would not complain about it. As for crash 2, you can clearly see that at that point Alonso was sandwiched so he had nowhere to go, HAM came like a torpedo and right there Alonso was trying to minimize contact with Stroll (at least to avoid more damage bc they already touched 1 time at that point). Sure ALO and STR had already touched but they were mostly ok with minimal damage, HAM coming into the inside caused ALO to not have space and crashed again with STR, this time it was way more impactful because of the crash severity itself but also because by that point STR was also in a tough spot, trying to recover from the previous contact with ALO and being hit from the inside, he was forced into NOR. As you said, ALO can't just publicly blame STR so he shifted the full blame to HAM but, had HAM not dive bombed the inside, the 1st contact between ALO would have been mostly ok. On the other hand, had ALO and STR not touched, HAM would still have crashed with ALO or someone else, there's now way he gets off without a penalty if it were another less "popular" driver.
I don't think it was a misjudgement. Mans looked twice to comprehend wtf was coming at him from that far and having flashbacks of most of his unlucky race start crashes.
1) the first contact between the two AM has been caused by Alonso constantly checking his mirrors because of Hamilton. 2) the Norris DNF has been caused by the second contact in which Hamilton is at fault. The conclusion is: if you hide Alonso from that, Hamilton would have collided with stroll. If you hide Hamilton, Alonso could have turned right earlier making, in the worse scenario, a wheel to wheel contact with stroll
Yo can clearly see all the space from Stroll side driving into Alonso. This unsettles him as he sees Hamilton coming like a bull colliding with his front wing while stroll and Alonso tangle pushes Norris off. But ja Hamiltons Fault becoz 4 into that corner doesn’t go but he had control of the car even with the lock up
I think you have reason, but Stroll drove in to the corner maybe a bit agressive to the apex like if anybody could be there in the first corner of first lap.
Saw several cars cornering that wide actually, I think most "responsible" drivers use to keep the actual position across the wide of the track for turn and counter turn tracks. Also, right side of the track was completely dirty.
Great video, but I think one thing is wrong. Alonso turned too late and collided with stroll because he saw Hamilton arriving like a bull in his mirror.
This was a teammate battle. I think Alonso was running Stroll wide to ensure Stroll wouldn’t sweep around the outside of him in T1 and get the position. Hamilton then saw the gap and took it, only late on did Alonso spot that threat and he got caught in no man’s land between the two of them. 3 into 1 never works in F1.
Well, now we know it's a British channel since it's 1000% Hamilton's fault, for people who doesn't know, Alonso was checking his mirrors during all the straight line and he understood that Hamilton would have torpedo him if he turned normally, so he waited to turn (that caused him to touch Stroll) to avoid the crash
Yes, he was. He divebombed the turn from different area code, locked up pretty much immediately and for the entire duration of the braking. The only reason he didn't end up with Alonso on top of his halo is, that Alonso saw him and gave him space.
Hamiltons fault? Yes without a doubt. I also felt like Stroll did turn in a bit later than Alonso but I do not think this is his fault but it's pretty complicated to see if it was his own fault or not. I would say 50/50 with the Stroll and Alonso contact but Hamilton was full to blame with that divebomb.
You are part of the few objective and sensible people here, this is the right analysis. STR v ALO crash 1, possibly a lap 1 t1 incident with no further investigation, crash 2? HAM's fault any day! That dive bomb from HAM is not acceptable.
@@AM93000Alonso did saw Hamilton coming too fast like bull, that's was inacceptable from Hamilton to make dive bomb, he went it for gap, he admitted it clear he went it that for gap, he admitted already his fault
So you think Alonso just forgot about the corner he was also looking at while watching Hamilton coming at him out of control? If Alonso turned in, the crash is far more severe. The fact this "analysis" has no consideration of what happens if Alonso took the corner normally is a joke. Hamilton is responsible for the entire incident forcing Alonso to take avoiding action.
I think I just found my new favorite channel, the way that information is presented is very clear and educated, I look forward to seeing more of this analysis as this season unfolds!
I would say alonsos countersteer mid contact was not voluntary at all. The forces going through the wheels and steering column from wheel to wheel contact is much higher than could be achieved by any steering input.
I dont think Alonso was leaving space for Hamilton, I think he was leaving space for Hulk and Hamilton. Hulk might have torpedo'd as well and Alsonso basically slotted in his rear wheel just in front of Hulk's nose. He was probably trying to slot in ahead of Hulk and be careful in case those two tangled.
Pretty interesting the amount of blame toward Hamilton here in the comments. By the rules of F1 he was not to blame and it was a racing incident. You can't penalize someone for someone else watching their mirror too long and colliding with their teammate who turned in with not much awareness of possible cars on his inside. As yelistener says. collision n1 is on Alonso, and n2 is on Hamilton. Side effect, Stroll/Norris. For the record, I agree with you yelistener, I feel that your read of the situation here is unbiased and relies solely on the facts of what happened.
I believe we could all have been happy if Stroll had watched his mirrors and not trying to take a 'sort of apex' line. All had possibly have come trough although not all on track but without colliding. Norris would have been pushed off track... Interesting question though; how had Hamilton's lockup have ended - we'll never know.
TL;DR Stroll is also to blame here My take is: Alonso was expecting Lewis at the apex, so he left a car width between himself and the apex. in Alonso's head it looked something like - [STR] [ALO] [HAM] Stroll did not realize Lewis was flying in and expected Alonso to attack/to be at the apex so he turned in. so in Stroll's head it looked like - [NOR] [STR] [ALO] and as we know, in reality it was looking like - [NOR]*[STR]*[ALO]*[HAM]
Alonso was following the McLaren line through the corner of wide in, tight out. Stroll cut in from the wide line to about middle of the track before the apex, closing the space he and Alonso had and was different to the drivers ahead who gave others room on the inside. Alonso didnt really have time to react to Stroll while following his planned line choice and distracted himself from blaming Stroll by saying Hamilton was the cause. Yes Hamilton was too quick into the corner but you expect that sort of driver error and Alonso could have accounted for it but not Stroll at the same time. It looks more like a Stroll, then Hamilton incident, Alonso and Norris are the innocent ones.
Hes had wrist injuries since the quali australia crash with alpine. Hes had ups and downs with this issue and its said that this weekend his wrist condition worsened
It's a classic turn 1 no one blame issue. - I know Alonso got sandwich - Stroll didn't know where to turn because stuck with both McLaren - Norris got room for just avoid but out of luck - Lewis just sling out of nowhere with a lock up
I might disagree with some parts of the analysis but this channel is gold! Thanks for sharing this. Professional, well explained, good footage. Keep going!
Colision nr1 is not on Alonso... That is Stroll doing a Stroll and just going for the apex at the race start... Just because you're ahead doesn't mean you get to drive through someone else... Legit, check the movement of Stroll relative to Piastry, braking zone Stroll is further to the outside than piastry, but then when the turning starts, Stroll turns in a lot more than everyone else around. Stroll is the only one not realising that he is not alone in the corner, in T1, of lap 1...
The three of them are guilty. Alonso being too cautious about what he saw coming on his right but forgetting the outside. Stroll turning as if nobody was on the inside. And Hamilton thinking he could brake and turn as if nobody was ahead on the turn.
The comment section is hillarious, acting like Alonso can do no wrong despite his clear misjudgement in the first incident and lean on the supposed British bias to double down on slandering Hamilton. I don't know why the F1 community is hardwired to direct every fault possible to Hamilton, this is coming from a guy who is never shy of righfully putting the blame to Hamilton when it is deserved such as Silverstone 2021 or Spa 2022.
i generally agree with your analysis, they are objective, but not this time. hamilton braked late and understeered into the corner. alonso is the most aware and experienced driver on the grid, he knew what would have happened if he followed the racing line, so he tried to avoid lewis. im a hamilton fan but he's at fault here. idk if its worth a penalty tho, because it was a sprint, its less important.
I think if Alonso had covered the inside, Hamilton wouldn't have went for a move, plus even if he did, he would have made a bigger contact with the cars ahead, also it was very dusty on the inside as we saw with Perez almost taking his teammate out. For this incident, i'd argue it's a racing incident, or we could blame Hamilton and Alonso.
Alonso makes a move to minimize the damage they would get from hamilton. Why hamilton doesn't get a penalty from this is a mystery for me. The move he makes is something you see in an online game.
My diagnosis of the incident determines that Stroll was the primary contributor of the incident and supplemented by Hamilton's lockup. When you look at Strolls turn in and aim he completely cut in on Alonso when he was not clear on a complete overtake. When in a corner both drivers have to be compliant otherwise if one decides to just shoot across the track when another driver is there, then a collision will happen. Alonso left a gap open so understandably Hamilton took the shot. IF, Hamilton hadn't locked up he wouldn't have be responsible for much of the incident, but since he did, he only added to the worsening of the situation. If Stroll had paid attention to the cars around him and had not cut across Alonso like that and left him space then they wouldn't have that wheel collision. That would've gave Alonso and Hamilton the space to battle into the corner. Again, because Stroll turned in on Alonso and forcing him to pinch in the inside when there was a gap, Stroll left no opportunity for collision avoidance.
Hamilton was going as deep as mid corner when there were already 3 cars there. Sure Alonso and Stroll collided without him, but it would've resulted in nothing but both losing a bit of time and maybe a position or two. He came in and basically struck 3 cars, making two of them DNF, which would've also gapped if Alonso and Stroll didn't collide with each other. It's beyond me how he didn't get a penalty for that.
at 1:03 Stoll is already turning in trying to hit the apex. even Piastri hasn't started turning as much as him... I think it was stroll's fault for turning in too early while still having at least one car on the inside. True Hamilton wasn't fully in control of his car but he's on the outside so he's not the one dictating when to turn in at that point but Alonso. At 1:25 he's has 1/2 the track on the outside he could of used with Noris. Daddy's money doesn't buy you race craft.
When you run so wide that you hit the guy who was already running wide.
Bro spitting fact
Bro summarised everything in a statement
I like this 😂
but based on the onboard of stroll when hamilton hit them it looks like it didnt even change so alonso counter steer is more sense
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Can we see Checo coming in like a torpedo next?
I wanna see how close he was to actually hitting Max
I actually think they may have touched by a few millimeters. I wanna see that one too.
from what i heard is that max had scratches on his diffuser :P
@@robertdevries2045no shot.
I saw a report said it was 1cm close from hitting
it was 1 cm
If Alonso turned without watching his mirrors he would have been torpedoed by Hamilton.
I'm pretty sure him checking the mirror for so long was because he saw the speed at which Hamilton was closing in.
if alonso didnt give a room for hamilton to go in i dont think hamilton will dive since he have haas to his left side watch the drone shot properly
@tedfromyt6523 at that point Hamilton was already going for it and Alonso knew it and tried to leave the space, but ultimately had no choice but turn, since he had Stroll to his left turning. Besides that, Hamilton was never going to make it without crashing into someone, as it was 3 wide, even 4 wide at one point. And to add to that, Hamilton's move would be considered a divebomb which is not allowed for a reason, cars ahead were already turning when Hamilton crashed into them. I think Hamilton thought it was clear past Alonso so he could squeeze Alonso to a wider line and get away with it. It was a misjudgement in Hamilton's side
He was it’s clear Hamilton bias
@@sorinhorvath4680 for you being stupid this is easy it is alonso is wrong at the alonso stroll collision no matter what ur saying. it clear no onboard cam he was busy on his side mirror. hamilton is clear at fault on hamilton-alonso collision. BUt on stroll norris collision its not clear if alonso counter steer contribute more on collision as we see here 2:24 even if hamilton didnt hit them alonso left front tyre lining up with stroll rear tyre and with the counter steer to make it worse even if hamilton didnt hit alonso . norris and stroll colllisiion would still exist EASY AS THAT dont care what alonso says clear on the footage
@@Weezy10580 keeep being blind
Imagine the outrage if it was Stroll causing any of the incidents this weekend..
Ah I don't want to imagine that but I know what it would have been 😅
Stroll does not even need to play a major hand in this incident and people still blame him for it.
Some people really only see the world from a tunnel.
The biggest issue is ham wasn't penalized for it. All his fans always cry that he gets penalized for everything but this is yet another classic example of him getting away unscathed.
any collision with Stroll involved, is 100% his fault, dont sweat it
@@groundedgaming you are defending a rich dumbass that shouldn't even be in the grid, people will always use him as an escape goat, and they rightfully should.
He wont even care while relaxing on his cruise ship, trust me
Alonso was clearly avoiding the approaching Hamilton, he did not "misjudge", he avoided a collision. Hamilton should have NEVER launched himself so deep, that was the only possible outcome.
Trying so hard not blame Alonso ha 😂 . Look at 1:08
@@MDgp5dl But at 1:27 it's clear that Hamilton didn't make the corner: he missed the apex by a mile, practically stopped in the middle of the corner to square it off. Also, at 2:00 you see Alonso checking _twice_ the mirror: it wasn't a mistake, he was waiting to initiate the turn because he knew Hamilton wasn't hitting that apex. Had he turned in as normal, Hamilton would have gone straight into its side like a torpedo
@@MDgp5dlLewis never does anything wrong saint Lewis huh
@@andrewwright4195 That's not point dummy. Am talking about the crash between Alonso and Stroll which was bound to happen if Hamilton was there or NO
@MDgp5dl stroll turned into Alonso and Lewis locked up and turned into Alonso
It looks more to me that Alonso was aware of Hamilton bombing down on the inside and left room for that and then Stroll clumsily turned in on him. In a first corner like that you have to expect that you're going to go in several cars wide...
Did Lance Stroll prepare the commentary in this video? Stroll clearly changed lanes in the corner, I guess hoping that Alonso would evaporate, so they collided. And then Hamilton torpedoed the corner, I guess hoping everybody would evaporate. Poor Lando on the outside leaving space, never saw this coming.
@@pauladam4158 Excactly. Seems like stroll wanted to take a switcheroo like line, enter wide and late and exit near the inside. But it wasnt possible at any moment, since Alonso was alongside, he was there even before the inside white line starts to turn, so Stroll had no right to cut him off like if Alonso wasnt there. Racing incident. If there is anyone who was clearly at fault it was Lewis who colided with Alonso, but their contact wasnt the prime reason of this whole pileup.
It's exactly this. If you watch Alonso's onboard you can see him spot Lewis in the mirror
I don't know how out of all of this you still find a way to blame it on Stroll. Stroll did nothing wrong here, left more than enough room for Alonso, he's just not telepathic and knew Hamilton would come from 2 cars back on the other side of Alonso.
I like Hamilton so it's not just hate, but he did cause this. Alonso got caught out by - probably - predicting Hamilton would go into the side of him so didn't turn in on a normal line, but Stroll did absolutely nothing wrong.
@@l3gionmusic814 Because Lance has consistently demonstrated that he has the racer IQ to be aware of multiple cars on the track at once and anticipating their moves and Alonso doesn't...
OK.
British: No
Rest of the world: YES
british bias
Hamilton pulls a "yield or we crash" move, widely regarded as verstappens signature wheel to wheel tactic
F1 fans cry
ur dumb lol keep being delusional its clear on the video 3:30 based on the onboard cam hamilton hitting alonso isn’t really contribute to stroll and norris crashed
Seriously. Isn't it time they moved on to Lando or George at this point? Lol. The fanboi types are the worst.
@@andrewmelton2686 Another dimwit defending piss poor driving standards - because someone else did it. If your only justification for something is "yea well someone else did it too" - then you're wrong. (and it makes you sound like a child)
The infamous Ham "understeer" on display.
There was no understeer. He was too deep into the corner, that's the end of it. Not that his car wouldn't turn.
Nah, that’s the infamous Senna “I went for a gap” moment
@@Shifftee ahah yeah fr tho, but we saw how Perez had zero grip on that line as well
@@Urgrannytranny I mean you can discuss all of these tiny little things about the moment but, in the end, the driver is the only one that knows what really went on. Either way, I doubt Lewis intended to try and take out 3 cars at once.
No one said that was his intention. However, as a seven time WDC he should have known this could happen so he still willingly tried a move anyone with that level of experience would have known was dangerous. He was carrying too much speed and drove dangerously. Just look at his trajectory before the collision, he was not even close to staying on his own line.
It can just as easily be said Alonso was waiting to see where Hamilton would appear before turning into the corner rather than he misjudged the turn in to the corner. If Hamilton wasn't flying up the inside, Alonso would've just turned in at the apex,. Hamilton's move caused that whole chain reaction and guaranteed there was gonna be a collision.
yes
Spot on
I agree, Alonso saw Hammy and left him as much room as possible then stroll (Mr unawares lol) just turned in. He's known to do this type of thing 😂
We can apply here the same as In Australia with Russel and Alonso. Hamilton creates all. Hamilton's fault 100%.
but the position of hamilton 1.5 car length and based on the drone shot it is blind side of alonso car therefore that haas is more can be seen on side mirror
I love Hamilton but he was clearly faster than his tires temp and understeered into Alonso. It's pretty clear for the ignorant me.
I like to look at it from another perspective. If Alonso had not been in that position, if we made him disappear, would Hamilton have collided with Stroll? Most likely yes, and would Stroll then have collided with Norris? I'm not so sure. To me, it's clear that Alonso sees Hamilton coming in fast from the inside and tries to make space, ending up colliding with Stroll who is unaware that Alonso is going to encroach on him to make room.
If Hamilton had not come in too fast from the inside, would Alonso have collided with Stroll? Probably not
I do not agree with you this time. In 2:02 Hamilton was already ahead of Hulk and Fernando was clearly paying attention to Hamilton coming too fast, he already knew what was happening. This can be confirmed in the aerial camera. Look at the exact moment where the McLaren moves to the left in Fernando's onboard and then pay attention to that moment in the aerial camera. Hamilton is already ahead of Hulk and Fernando clearly watching him into his mirrors, and keeps checking the mirrors for a certain time after that moment while he knows that he can´t turn yet. Delays the steering input to give Hamilton as much space as possible to avoid a potential crash, and Stroll's sudden turn-in makes the crash unavoidable. I think that is unfair to say that Fernando crashed on his own because he was already reacting to Hamilton, who ultimately still crashed into him even if ALO went super wide into his teammate.
In my opinion, Fernando KNEW he had nowhere to go, he was clearly watching Hamilton come way too fast. This is a great example of Fernando's awareness and the video shows the inverse thing.
You can see Alonso reacting to Hamilton torpedoing, he could tell it was gonna be an accident and went into stroll as a result
I really doubt Alonso had a misjudgement because he was checking the mirror... he check the mirror much before and also brake much before of where you paused the image. He was just trying to open the inside because he already noticed HAM on the inside. But he knows that if he don't open the door he will suffer much more damage... the answer is B but both times, on the braking and on the apex... he open the line to avoid get hit from the inside from a car comming too fast... Others drivers probably didn't realize HAM on the inside and the end is a classic torpedo like Romain Grosjean hitting everyone in front...
Nice comment
When the analisys about Norris safety car entry?
If safety entered in front of Norris, had him the time to pit and rejoin first?
If I can help, I rechecked the timing after the race.
When the SC is decided to be out by race director, Norris is on the finish line (or very close to)
Norris is 11.415s in front of Max
In the same time, Tsunoda is 11.984s in front of Lewis
Tsunoda pits (in 2.4s) and remains in front of Lewis for 1.166s
For me with those information, the SC can't be in front of Norris (and he must lets pass everyone and it's a shame that it didn't happen like this)
Even if the SC was not in front of Max, I think Norris could keep the 1st position (or maybe in worst case be 2nd but with new tyres)
@@laribeyre thanks a lot!
I still wait for a Yelistener video 😅
Of course he wouldnt because by the time they would be at the pit entrance again, most of the grid would already be in a train. Upto Perez was already in a train when the SC crossed the pit entrance. So most likely Norris wouldve come out behind Lewis in p8 or p9.
If I remember correctly, SC waits for the cars at the exit of pit lane, SC lane number 2. If SC deployed too late and caught Verstappen but not Norris, that means Norris started before Verstappen.
When the safety car was called Lando just passed the pit entry and not even crossed the last corner before the straight but he is Bristish so we all know what happened
First, I like this channel, but this video is all wrong. Alonso was checking his mirrors and went wide BECAUSE Hamilton was coming so fast and he already judged that it was impossible that lewis did the corner. He touched stroll, not crashed. Hamilton, despite having more than enough room for his car, crashed into alonso.
If you play both onboards simultaneously you will see.
Exactly this. Totally agree.
Pure, Alonso fault. He too scare for Hamilton. 😂😂
Moreover, the countersteer moment Alonso had after touching Stroll most likely was due to oversteer
Because when you touch someone with the fronts, it suddenly turns them, the rears can’t keep with that turning and lose grip
@@cyancut21 nice. Smart review
For me, this is a racing incident. Stroll shouldn’t turn in like he does and should have better awareness, Alonso doesn’t turn in as much because he saw Hamilton coming (when he checked his mirrors) and actually could’ve come in more, and Hamilton took a clumsy late dive only because Alonso left so much space. Clumsy driving on a track where everyone had a hard time finding grip
luckily you're completely neutral lollllllllllllllll
Stroll does absolutely nothing wrong. He's following piastri's line. Hes got vast majority of his car ahead of Alonso and has no idea Hamilton is coming.
Stroll has zero blame
@@alpd7638 but piastri had all the room for taking that line as he came from the mid right side of the track with no cars near him giving him the chance of tightening the corner as he did but stroll went from the far left side of the track having alonso's car at his back right side. Also stroll's intended line is even tighter than piastri if you watch it a bit closely (at least is what it seems for me).
Stroll is blameless but I agree with rest. That's probably what the fia officials decided as well
I was under the impression that Stroll just turned in without realizing Alonso was there, but watching you explain it has changed my mind. Good video, informative as always!
Matt needs to watch this
But it contains misjudged info, as Alonso was seeing Hamilton coming. If he didn't ran wide Hamilton would have passed above Alonso
@@albertopinoblanconever Lewis falut is it saint Lewis
Even if Alonso turned 1 meter earlier Hamilton would still hit him and send into Stroll. Case closed.
hamilton only hit him because of the crashed lol u stpid
Case closed, but you are refusing to see the whole picture. If you shoot a guy and his body gets hit by lightning later, did you kill the guy or did the lightning kill him?
While, if Alonso turned in 1 meter earlier then I'll bet my entire savings that Ham will not dive down the inside in that corner.
he had contact with stroll before lewis was even there, alonso just went wide in the inside
@@Winnight. I'll bet with you, the answer is simple, it's physics, Hamilton couldn't go anywhere else
🔴 List of accidents investigated on first lap (or stopped restart) penalized in 2022, 2023 and 2024:
2022
🔴 E. OCON 🇫🇷 (Bahrain, start): 5 seconds penalty, 2 superlicense points.
🔴 G. RUSSELL 🇬🇧 (Austria, start): 5 seconds penalty, 2 superlicense points.
“We have not considered this as a ‘first lap incident’ as it was a battle between two cars that was not affected by the other cars.”
🔴 E. OCON 🇫🇷 (France, start): 5 seconds penalty, 2 superlicense points.
🔴 D. RICCIARDO 🇦🇺 (Brazil, start): 3 penalty places for the next race, 2 superlicense points.
“The Stewards recognized that the incident was not reckless. Anyway, they determined that the incident was between two cars and was not influenced by other cars, so it is not a 'first lap incident'”
2023
🔴 C. SAINZ 🇪🇸 (Australia, highlight): 5 second penalty, 2 superlicense points.
“Despite the fact that it was a first lap incident, we considered that the 55 car had enough space to avoid the collision.”
🔴 N. HÜLKENBERG 🇩🇪 (Monaco, start): 5 seconds penalty, 2 superlicense points.
“The Stewards consider that he dived and was unable to control the car (...), he does not have the ‘benefit of the doubt’ as it was a first lap incident.”
🔴 G. ZHOU 🇨🇳 (Hungary, start): 5 seconds penalty, 2 superlicense points.
“Despite the fact that it was a first-lap incident, where some leeway is given to drivers who find themselves in the middle of a lot of cars, this particular incident is not one of those.”
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🟢 List of investigated first-lap (or standing restart) accidents not penalized in 2022, 2023 and 2024:
2022
🟢 L. HAMILTON 🇬🇧 (Belgium, start): no penalty.
“The Stewards considered this to be a first-lap incident with a lot of movement relative to other cars in the first few corners.”
2023
🟢 L. HAMILTON 🇬🇧 (Qatar, start): no penalty.
“Despite the fact that it can be argued that Car 44 was predominantly at fault, the Stewards, taking into account that the incident happened at Turn 1 with several cars involved, have determined that the incident is considered to be a typical Turn 1’ incident.”
2024
🟢 L. HAMILTON 🇬🇧 (Miami, start): no penalty.
Thanks: Victor Abad
Alonso did his best to avoid contact with Hamilton. He looked at him twice coming like a bull from the mirror. If there's anyone to blame for the mayhem caused, it's Hamilton. What Alonso is not going to do is close the door on Hamilton and get wrecked. Hamilton even had a small lockup coming into the turn. in this case it's Reason 2, 100% sure of it
Because Alonso had collisions with Hamilton, that's why he has phobia of Hamilton, he knows that Hamilton is very dangerous
If Alonso didn't kept the inside open for Lewis, the Merc would have plowed into him and destroyed multiple cars.
If Lance hadn't changed to a tighter arc in the middle of the corner, the contact with Fernando would have been minimal.
How tf do you expect Stroll to see all of what happened behind him?
@@maxbrandt1324 mirrors.
@@maxbrandt1324 The same way Alonso saw all the cars around him
@@MadelnOahu Hamilton was right behind Alonso... Stroll was on the outside and 3 or 4 cars between he and Hamilton, it's impossible to see or expect that
@@maxbrandt1324 F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport, expecting the drivers to check their mirrors and have situational awareness is the bare minimum
watching all of these different angles, the only who looks like they werent trying to avoid a collision was stroll, granted he has the clearest road around him out of all of them. It looks like he has no idea at all there are even cars around him
its clear enough!! Hamilton came like a torpedo just like Perez in the race missjudged his breaks understeered into Alonso completely missing the apex.Thats a penalty for sure!! The contact between Stroll and Alonso is more like first lap incident.
bro watch the video properly
Lewis literally pushed both of them to Lando, TF you talking about re-watching?
@@hamzterix 3:30 if hamilton really contributed then the onboard cam would felt more impact not smooth alonso counter steer is more likely contributed to the push since its smooth but since stewards can’t just decide whether just because smooth or not
@@hamzterix 3:30
@tedfromyt6523 0:41 the moment Lewis really boosted them into Lando. Yes there was contact before Lewis hit (Alonso anticipating the missile's arrival) but it would have been "first lap/T1" kind of "no further investigation" light incident. Also, watch the heli shot.
3:42 I think it was option nr B. A reason why i think that is because we saw earlier that Alonso was checking his mirrors, probably seeing Lewis coming in very hot which i think made Alonso not steer in time which lead to hitting stroll at first and later when Lewis hit him i think he countersteered in a effort not to crash out completely.
I think Stroll turned in very early considering he was on the outside. Just compare his line with the cars directly in front or behind him. I think Alsonso didn't expect that und was also looking in his right mirror, where Hamilton was flying in, that why he crashed into Stroll
its still alonso fault
Hamilton is never at fault even if he is.
The video literally shows why Alonso is also at fault. Alonso fans must have a victim complex mentality just like their hero I swear.
bro watched the whole video ur still gonna deny it ofc delusional😂😂😂
literally everyone agrees he's to blame for the second collision, but alonso running into stroll has nothing to do with hamilton
@@lukamandjuka1532yeah he is to blame cause if he wasnt going like a torpedo alonso wouldnt have turned into stroll
How do you explain the many times Hamilton admitted fault?
F1 fans trying to make a balanced judgement, impossible.
“It is quite unlikely” Alonso left space for Hamilton? He said himself he saw Hamilton coming in like a bull and therefor left him the space as otherwise it would have been end of race. That stroll as usual has no situational awareness and just drives into Alonso makes no difference. It is not only not unlikely, it is for sure Alonso did leave space to try and keep alive.
well drivers can lie thats why stewards base on the footage itself hamilton have a 1.5 car length thats basicly almos two cars side by side if you look into the drone shot
Yeah, Alonso said it, therefore it must be true.
@@gauravmalltarlok5354 We can weigh what he said with what we watch on the video as well. I watch the video and my impression is strongly that Alonso was telling the truth. The more I watch it the clearer it becomes that he was in a tight squeeze and an accident was inevitable no matter what he did. I think the reason for that is mostly because of Hamilton going for that gap.
@@gauravmalltarlok5354 stpid
Yeah, Alonso has never been clever in these situations, right?
When you go wide and hit a guy, who's already gone wide and hit another guy, surely you don't just get away scot free
Watch the video, please. He was a passenger in this event.
look at this delusional guy what u dont understand on the video so i could explain how stupid u are
@@groundedgaming how was he a passenger when he was the one braking ?
@@groundedgaming LMAO!
@@aventusV33for the corner he was breaking for it stroll and Lewis locked up
Hamilton dive bombing the Haas was already slightly optimistic. Let alone Alonso ahead.
The first collision is Hamilton's fault too. Put yourself into Alonso's shoes: You watch your side mirror and see Hamilton NOT SLOWING down, you HAVE to leave space or he'll ram into you... If Alonso would have turned earlier, the collison with Hamilton would have been far more serious and dangerous...
Alonso was checking for Niko in his mirrors he was not watching 3 cars behind to see Lewis what are u talking about ? xDDDD
@@Weijierr Hamilton was fully alongside Hulkenberg by the time Alonso decided to stay away from the inside, he absolutely did react to Hamilton's dive for T1
@@WeijierrYeah man, that's was bad comment, you didnt saw at Hamilton coming too fast like bull?
Sprintrace:
Lewis: "I saw a gap on the inside so I went for it"
Race:
Kevin: "I saw a gap on the inside so I went for it"
Lewis: "Magnussen drove into me"
:)
The thing is, Alonso has literally nowhere to go. Stroll turned in and Hamilton dove his inside. The reason Alonso collided with Stroll in the first place, was because he knew he can't turn because he has Hamilton coming down the inside. I don't see how this is anywhere close to Alonso's fault since he basically got sandwiched into turn 1.
try watching the video maybe ur alonso bias will see the light XDDD
@@santhoshrangit02 Watched the video. Now please again tell me where was Alonso supposed to go.
It doesn’t work like that.
You are responsible for where your car is going, not for what’s happening behind you. It doesn’t matter who was coming behind you - you cause an accident, that’s your fault.
@@Shifftee nah broski. It's multiple scenarios happening simultaneously. That is such narrow minded thinking.
If ALonso focused on Stroll inside of Lewis, he would have been washed off the track and into the barrier with the torpedo coming through the inside line. You as a driver in racing or on the consumer road do the best to avoid unnecessary collisions.
@@slimstrait780 Unless you got driven into, you cannot blame someone that was behind or alongside you for crashing into someone in front of you.
It’s not another driver’s responsibility for your overreaction. So saying Hamilton is at fault for the first collision because Alonso saw him in his mirrors is totally absurd.
If Alonso wasn't there Hamilton still would of caused a collision with Stroll coming in that fast.
That says a lot about the incident
Would have
Where I can found exaust mic sound?
1:21 *You forgot something: **_"Always live die eSpaze"_* ALO in 2010 and something.
Nando kept his word.
First comment? Jk I really don't care, i'm not those kind of idiots.
I'm being serious, I really do love these videos. Provides a bunch of different perspectives without any sort of bias whatsoever. This is hard to find nowadays, so keep cooking on those videos.
2024 and still mad about first comments, lmao. Yeah dude really sounds like you don't care
@@eanfran Calm down, bro. Trust I really don't care at all. I just noted that because i clicked on the video and there were no comments. I'd prefer not to get mad at you man, but don't test it
this song is whats playing on every chemistry experiment
I think Lance turned in too much and too early trying to get closer to the apex without bothering about Fernando. Look at the trajectory of Oscar who was inside of Lance and still turned conservatively compared to the sharp turn of Lance - can be seen 1:01 onwards and also from 2:12 onwards. Fernando cannot complain about Lance for obvious reasons, so he pinned all the blame on Lewis, whereas Lewis was nowhere in the picture in collision 1.
This!
Crash 1 it could be argued that it was a T1 incident because Alonso went a bit wide but still, Stroll had enough room and he also turned in early. If any of them were to get a penalty it would be Stroll for turning in early with enough space on the outside but, being T1 and so tricky I think most people would be OK with no further investigation, it was not fatal but obviously being both Astons they would not complain about it.
As for crash 2, you can clearly see that at that point Alonso was sandwiched so he had nowhere to go, HAM came like a torpedo and right there Alonso was trying to minimize contact with Stroll (at least to avoid more damage bc they already touched 1 time at that point). Sure ALO and STR had already touched but they were mostly ok with minimal damage, HAM coming into the inside caused ALO to not have space and crashed again with STR, this time it was way more impactful because of the crash severity itself but also because by that point STR was also in a tough spot, trying to recover from the previous contact with ALO and being hit from the inside, he was forced into NOR.
As you said, ALO can't just publicly blame STR so he shifted the full blame to HAM but, had HAM not dive bombed the inside, the 1st contact between ALO would have been mostly ok. On the other hand, had ALO and STR not touched, HAM would still have crashed with ALO or someone else, there's now way he gets off without a penalty if it were another less "popular" driver.
It’s amazing how Hamilton always gets away with no penalties, or penalties that are so low that they don’t even change his race.
Helps being British and a minority
brazil 2021 you freaking goldfish
@@djdrastic1 Whites are the minority globally. I know what you mean, but the word "minority" is a misnomer.
Nah. He got 10 seconds or something for going 15km/h faster accidentally in the pit stop. That was few race ago.
I don't think it was a misjudgement. Mans looked twice to comprehend wtf was coming at him from that far and having flashbacks of most of his unlucky race start crashes.
1) the first contact between the two AM has been caused by Alonso constantly checking his mirrors because of Hamilton.
2) the Norris DNF has been caused by the second contact in which Hamilton is at fault.
The conclusion is: if you hide Alonso from that, Hamilton would have collided with stroll. If you hide Hamilton, Alonso could have turned right earlier making, in the worse scenario, a wheel to wheel contact with stroll
This!
Yo can clearly see all the space from Stroll side driving into Alonso. This unsettles him as he sees Hamilton coming like a bull colliding with his front wing while stroll and Alonso tangle pushes Norris off. But ja Hamiltons Fault becoz 4 into that corner doesn’t go but he had control of the car even with the lock up
still Ham was bowling with STR if you erase ALO so, yeah better calcs into turn 1 please
@@minivelreynever Lewis falut is it huh 😂 saint Lewis
I think you have reason, but Stroll drove in to the corner maybe a bit agressive to the apex like if anybody could be there in the first corner of first lap.
Saw several cars cornering that wide actually, I think most "responsible" drivers use to keep the actual position across the wide of the track for turn and counter turn tracks. Also, right side of the track was completely dirty.
Great video, but I think one thing is wrong. Alonso turned too late and collided with stroll because he saw Hamilton arriving like a bull in his mirror.
Imagine having a youtube channel and being Hamilton's fan. The fan who has a channel:
This was a teammate battle. I think Alonso was running Stroll wide to ensure Stroll wouldn’t sweep around the outside of him in T1 and get the position.
Hamilton then saw the gap and took it, only late on did Alonso spot that threat and he got caught in no man’s land between the two of them. 3 into 1 never works in F1.
Well, now we know it's a British channel since it's 1000% Hamilton's fault, for people who doesn't know, Alonso was checking his mirrors during all the straight line and he understood that Hamilton would have torpedo him if he turned normally, so he waited to turn (that caused him to touch Stroll) to avoid the crash
all alonso fans are obviously going to turn blind whenever the first collision is shown 😂
Like Lewis didn't lock up and hit Alonso for 3 time in a row now
Yes, he was. He divebombed the turn from different area code, locked up pretty much immediately and for the entire duration of the braking. The only reason he didn't end up with Alonso on top of his halo is, that Alonso saw him and gave him space.
Hamiltons fault? Yes without a doubt. I also felt like Stroll did turn in a bit later than Alonso but I do not think this is his fault but it's pretty complicated to see if it was his own fault or not. I would say 50/50 with the Stroll and Alonso contact but Hamilton was full to blame with that divebomb.
You are part of the few objective and sensible people here, this is the right analysis. STR v ALO crash 1, possibly a lap 1 t1 incident with no further investigation, crash 2? HAM's fault any day!
That dive bomb from HAM is not acceptable.
I agree. Stroll was at fault too
@@AM93000Stroll is not fault, how he can be able to see Hamilton coming too fast like bull? Are you dumb? Hamilton is fault as clear as day
@@AM93000Alonso did saw Hamilton coming too fast like bull, that's was inacceptable from Hamilton to make dive bomb, he went it for gap, he admitted it clear he went it that for gap, he admitted already his fault
Your assumption that Stroll hits Norris without Hamilton dive bombing the field is just wrong
It's some MAJOR delusion
So you think Alonso just forgot about the corner he was also looking at while watching Hamilton coming at him out of control? If Alonso turned in, the crash is far more severe. The fact this "analysis" has no consideration of what happens if Alonso took the corner normally is a joke. Hamilton is responsible for the entire incident forcing Alonso to take avoiding action.
Never Lewis falut is it crashed into him at least 3 or 4 times this season and last season
I think I just found my new favorite channel, the way that information is presented is very clear and educated, I look forward to seeing more of this analysis as this season unfolds!
Great analysis once again. Love your content!
Its a great channel!!
I would say alonsos countersteer mid contact was not voluntary at all. The forces going through the wheels and steering column from wheel to wheel contact is much higher than could be achieved by any steering input.
I dont think Alonso was leaving space for Hamilton, I think he was leaving space for Hulk and Hamilton. Hulk might have torpedo'd as well and Alsonso basically slotted in his rear wheel just in front of Hulk's nose. He was probably trying to slot in ahead of Hulk and be careful in case those two tangled.
Do this with the Kevin Logan incident please
Stroll just turned as he normally does and causes a collision, Hamilton also avoids another clear penalty by divebombing uncontrollably. Case closed.
man this type of F1 analysis with soothing music gives me relaxation in the middle of an action
Its Stroll turning tighter for no reason. And then Hamilton to be so optimistic with fresh tyres.
Why is everyone blaming Stroll? Like what was he supposed to do???????
Apparently people expect him to go straight at a right-hander
Hamilton admitted already his fault, he came like bull
@@justinburley8659he turned into Alonso
Alonso just saw Hamilton divebomving him and tried to save it, at least that’s my theory. What’s crazy is that people try to blame Stroll
I think the best thing to do is just blame Stroll for turning and for being there. That about covers it.
no
Pretty interesting the amount of blame toward Hamilton here in the comments. By the rules of F1 he was not to blame and it was a racing incident. You can't penalize someone for someone else watching their mirror too long and colliding with their teammate who turned in with not much awareness of possible cars on his inside. As yelistener says. collision n1 is on Alonso, and n2 is on Hamilton. Side effect, Stroll/Norris.
For the record, I agree with you yelistener, I feel that your read of the situation here is unbiased and relies solely on the facts of what happened.
the goat of winning championships with a rocketship
Alonso likely was ensuring he didn't get hit by Ham
That line Hamilton actual gives the car zero grip judge from Perez lap 1 dive bomb during the main race
I believe we could all have been happy if Stroll had watched his mirrors and not trying to take a 'sort of apex' line. All had possibly have come trough although not all on track but without colliding. Norris would have been pushed off track... Interesting question though; how had Hamilton's lockup have ended - we'll never know.
TL;DR Stroll is also to blame here
My take is:
Alonso was expecting Lewis at the apex, so he left a car width between himself and the apex.
in Alonso's head it looked something like - [STR] [ALO] [HAM]
Stroll did not realize Lewis was flying in and expected Alonso to attack/to be at the apex so he turned in.
so in Stroll's head it looked like - [NOR] [STR] [ALO]
and as we know, in reality it was looking like - [NOR]*[STR]*[ALO]*[HAM]
This is the only right analysis
@@KnightRiderOfVoid thank you
Alonso was following the McLaren line through the corner of wide in, tight out. Stroll cut in from the wide line to about middle of the track before the apex, closing the space he and Alonso had and was different to the drivers ahead who gave others room on the inside. Alonso didnt really have time to react to Stroll while following his planned line choice and distracted himself from blaming Stroll by saying Hamilton was the cause. Yes Hamilton was too quick into the corner but you expect that sort of driver error and Alonso could have accounted for it but not Stroll at the same time. It looks more like a Stroll, then Hamilton incident, Alonso and Norris are the innocent ones.
This was a really strange weekend for Nando, he was behind Stroll most part of it, and than this on sprint
Hes had wrist injuries since the quali australia crash with alpine. Hes had ups and downs with this issue and its said that this weekend his wrist condition worsened
Hamilton isn’t to blame for Alonso and Strolls crashing into each other, he’s to blame for pushing that crash into Lando
People actually tried to blame Stroll for this 🤦♂️
It's a classic turn 1 no one blame issue.
- I know Alonso got sandwich
- Stroll didn't know where to turn because stuck with both McLaren
- Norris got room for just avoid but out of luck
- Lewis just sling out of nowhere with a lock up
I might disagree with some parts of the analysis but this channel is gold! Thanks for sharing this. Professional, well explained, good footage. Keep going!
Colision nr1 is not on Alonso... That is Stroll doing a Stroll and just going for the apex at the race start... Just because you're ahead doesn't mean you get to drive through someone else... Legit, check the movement of Stroll relative to Piastry, braking zone Stroll is further to the outside than piastry, but then when the turning starts, Stroll turns in a lot more than everyone else around. Stroll is the only one not realising that he is not alone in the corner, in T1, of lap 1...
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The three of them are guilty. Alonso being too cautious about what he saw coming on his right but forgetting the outside. Stroll turning as if nobody was on the inside. And Hamilton thinking he could brake and turn as if nobody was ahead on the turn.
It's called racing. Remember that. The gap was wide open, it's definitely a combination of all of this ;)
Lulu when his car isnt 1 sec faster than the rest!
I’ve been waiting for you to make this video ever since the sprint race, thank you!
The comment section is hillarious, acting like Alonso can do no wrong despite his clear misjudgement in the first incident and lean on the supposed British bias to double down on slandering Hamilton. I don't know why the F1 community is hardwired to direct every fault possible to Hamilton, this is coming from a guy who is never shy of righfully putting the blame to Hamilton when it is deserved such as Silverstone 2021 or Spa 2022.
i generally agree with your analysis, they are objective, but not this time. hamilton braked late and understeered into the corner. alonso is the most aware and experienced driver on the grid, he knew what would have happened if he followed the racing line, so he tried to avoid lewis. im a hamilton fan but he's at fault here. idk if its worth a penalty tho, because it was a sprint, its less important.
The thing is, Alonso saw hamilton but he couldnt do anything about it cause stroll with 10000 sec penalty already was ramming him from the other side
Thank you for this analysis. At first glance, I could not understand the ruling. This clarifies it a bit more. Thank you!
Best,
-Luis
Typos at 2:56
"All the time you have to leave the space"
Now I pretend Alphamaxnova1's analysis of the "slightly suboptimal" turn 1 by Perez.
Your analysis is superb....really impressive...as always..... really really good ..outstanding!!!!
I think if Alonso had covered the inside, Hamilton wouldn't have went for a move, plus even if he did, he would have made a bigger contact with the cars ahead, also it was very dusty on the inside as we saw with Perez almost taking his teammate out. For this incident, i'd argue it's a racing incident, or we could blame Hamilton and Alonso.
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Alonso makes a move to minimize the damage they would get from hamilton. Why hamilton doesn't get a penalty from this is a mystery for me. The move he makes is something you see in an online game.
I think Alonso saw ham torpedo and wanted to save the car for quali
The fact that Hamilton managed to divebomb somebody who was literally turning left in a right hand corner and still wasn’t penalized is a joke
My diagnosis of the incident determines that Stroll was the primary contributor of the incident and supplemented by Hamilton's lockup.
When you look at Strolls turn in and aim he completely cut in on Alonso when he was not clear on a complete overtake. When in a corner both drivers have to be compliant otherwise if one decides to just shoot across the track when another driver is there, then a collision will happen. Alonso left a gap open so understandably Hamilton took the shot. IF, Hamilton hadn't locked up he wouldn't have be responsible for much of the incident, but since he did, he only added to the worsening of the situation.
If Stroll had paid attention to the cars around him and had not cut across Alonso like that and left him space then they wouldn't have that wheel collision. That would've gave Alonso and Hamilton the space to battle into the corner. Again, because Stroll turned in on Alonso and forcing him to pinch in the inside when there was a gap, Stroll left no opportunity for collision avoidance.
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Hamilton was going as deep as mid corner when there were already 3 cars there. Sure Alonso and Stroll collided without him, but it would've resulted in nothing but both losing a bit of time and maybe a position or two. He came in and basically struck 3 cars, making two of them DNF, which would've also gapped if Alonso and Stroll didn't collide with each other. It's beyond me how he didn't get a penalty for that.
It is 2007 McLaren driver's fault, clearly. :D
If Alonso didn't hit Stroll, then Hamilton would do like Bottas at Hungaroring 2021.
the only reason hamilton hit alonso is because alonso give him space lol
they both are 2007 mclaren drivers you bimbo
Hamilton would’ve braked earlier, what are you even yapping about?
@@tedfromyt6523 we're talking about t1, not the start itself
@@andreysab3432 so?
at 1:03 Stoll is already turning in trying to hit the apex. even Piastri hasn't started turning as much as him... I think it was stroll's fault for turning in too early while still having at least one car on the inside. True Hamilton wasn't fully in control of his car but he's on the outside so he's not the one dictating when to turn in at that point but Alonso. At 1:25 he's has 1/2 the track on the outside he could of used with Noris. Daddy's money doesn't buy you race craft.