Racing our 900cc Ducati Kart vs. 670cc 2 Stroke Go Kart at an AIRSTRIP! (feat. Audi R8)
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- čas přidán 1. 05. 2022
- Our 900cc Ducati go kart called the Ducarti goes up against our 670cc 2 stroke snowmobile powered go kart on a 5000' runway! The Ducati kart "only" has 80 horsepower vs the 670 2 stroke's 125 horsepower, but the Ducarti weighs 100lbs less than the snowmobile kart! We start the head to head shootout with a best 2 out of 3 drag race from a dig. Then we try a best 2 out of 3 rolling start. The winner of that goes up against an Audi R8 supercar!
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Just wanted to say ive been watching you for years and no matter how hard times are, John and Isaac, and now Charles, have always brought a smile to my face. So on behalf on your now 1 million subs, thank you carsandcameras, and god bless
Agree to the. Total 👍
Me to man I’ve been here since like 120k
Man I've been here since 37k Summer of 2015
Yeah, what he said.
That was nice of you to say that to them
Man, Charles was such a good addition to the crew.
Ikr I enjoy his dumb dad jokes and random humor more then John and issac lol
Yea I think both C&C and Charles got lucky they found each other, they fit so nicely together...
@@aceneto9386 Isaac just cracked me up being himself. Isaac and Charles sure are the comic relief LOL.
100% agree Charles is a good ole boy...
@@aceneto9386 im missin taylor tho
Man, you guys just keep bringing so much awesomeness in every video!! Thank you!!
Tom! You're a legend! I remember watching your LS3 Miata build before we were a go kart channel! Lol
Tom you are alive!
Tom! please come back to us!!!
toms turbo garage and cars and camera cameo?!?!?
Jetting and clutching is SO crucial when it comes to snowmobile engines... The clutching is a tough one, because it depends so much on the conditions and the desired behaviour. It's also a very fine balancing act between the primary and secondary clutches. It's more of an art than a science, at least in the real world. Jetting is probably really hard as well, the thing IS designed to run at cold temperatures. The pipe is tuned to a specific rpm, which is HUGE for making power in a two-stroke, and the clutch setup needs to be spot on within like 200 rpm plus or minus that rpm. 200 rpm plus or minus CAN also mean like 10 hp, because the engine makes it peak power in a VERY narrow rpm range, because it's designed with the CVT in mind. The CVT, ideally, very quickly lets the engine reach its peak power rpm at WOT from a dig and then the clutches shift while very precisely holding exactly that rpm until they're fully shifted.
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I’ve mentioned this in previous videos, if you want more throttle response and power you need a set of twin pipes and a can for the 670, hope this helps, awesome video
Guys you need to change the gearing on the 2 stroke and fix the fuel problem the 670 would smoke the Ducati even from a dead stop roll race should even be worse results for the Ducati
Been waiting for this fellas. Be safe!!!
Would be nice to measure the 0-60 times. The audi was standing still!
I don't want to be a "Carti pooper".
But Ike riding without leather pants and a full face helmet. 😯 😯😯 gezzz man
"I think we need to address these shorts" that man is a maniac. Great video.
Mike Finnegan Wears kevlar shorts in his drag jet boat
Tony from Western Australia 🇦🇺
I'm pretty sure he has worked for the postal service.
That guy has no idea how quickly and unexpectedly things can go brutally wrong.
He doesn't look simple.
Damn the Ducarti is savage, you can see how it yoinks Ike around as it takes off, it just wants to go. The 2 Stroke is a beast too but it seems a bit more linear and smooth by comparison. Awesome vid guys, looks like you had an absolute blast!
i think that the smoothness is thanks to the CVT transmission
I have a feeling Johns dad was thinking in the beginning.(those dam kids and their go-carts won't ever amount to nuthin and burning up my lawn) im sure hes ok w/what ya'll do now. Nice Audi to.
Definitely demonstrated the power to weight ratio. But that was cool. I want to see these go against the drag rail one of these days.
Me too
I wish they werent so scared of it
The drag rail would get soooo demolished by these two. We gotta throw a turbo on first.
@@thedude7726 I think it's more along the lines of it being their first scratch-built drag rail and they don't want to hack it up. When they were testing it I remember at one point they mentioned someday possibly building another to put a better power plant in.
Yea I would like to see that as well...
The Ducati is definitely one of my favorites. I was a little worried it was going to get spanked but it still came out on top. Yes!!!
Wait till the 670 gets dialed in and it will beat the Ducati every time. They might want to think about putting some weight on to the Ducati to keep the front end from coming up.
@@davolbc Theres some power to be found for sure and the cvt is probably adjustable too :)
Ducarti is a beast though DAMN it rips :o
only because these clowns don't know 2 strokes, or how to do clutch work
@@ExploreUnderground lmao the two stroke doesnt even have a clutch because it has a cvt
@@lennartsix6102 Cvt is what they are referring to.
This was BIG TIME entertainment! For us garage small engine tuners this is what we live for. Thanks for the great content, I look forward to each and every episode. Keep on rockin!
Respect to Ike he was driving the hell out of that kart, holding on for dear life!!! lol Respect to Charles too he driving his ass of as well
For those who forgot and I understand it has been a long while but go back to them getting the engine to the shop them building basically the thing from scratch with a bit of trial and error to what it is today flat out amazing. I can't wait for them to get a "new project" bike small CC high HP's to see what they could crank out next hey that 670 once tuned and more closer to finished is going to be a monster no doubt but from a pile of parts the ducarti has really proved it self a beast maybe next track day you can do some hits with it as well so the 670 will have a running buddy.
Lol the shaky hands at 14:33 makes me miss going stupidly fast for smiles. Love this video guys!
The adrenaline is pumping!
You guys are awesome!! Ive been watching for years, so cool to watch you go from garage built Go-Carts to 100+ mph builds so fast you literally need an air strip to race them! Great job keep it up🔥
The best episode by far. And my man Mr C. was in great form today. Gotta be inspired by watching 2 guys going faster than ever before in go carts..I' m thinking that the ducarte needs to be challenged by the racing go-cart community..Looking forward to Ike raking on all challengers. As well as the 670 taking on all others too. Great fun great vid you guys. John is the best MC..And if I ever come that way I'll use the wash airport .Thanks to them also..
Been watching for some time now and I just wanna say I love the growth in the production of the videos yall coming out from behind the r8 in the start of the video is just gold keep up the solid work gentlemen
I love the content fellas..I love the fact that ya'll are stepping it up and doin funner faster and also crazier shit..keep up the good work boys! I would love to dabble in some of your adventures I can only imagine how much fun you're all having!! Cheers🍻
And getting paid a lot to do it. Can't beat that.
Crazy I’ve been watching you guys since 2014 when I started my own shifter cart build with a 03 fireblade 999. Lol I use Issac’s motto “it’ll be fine!” Or “testing purposes” awesome seeing how the channel has grown. Keep up the work.
That was awesome! With some tuning, that 2-stroke is gonna be a monster.
Hell yeah!! i know that you dont really need to go faster than like 105 but im thinkin the gearing might be too low. if your grabbing 5th gear and still spinning tires it might actually make it more controlable getting to those speeds if you make the rear sprocket smaller
smaller sprocket =more wheel spin(smaller the gear the faster it goes ) tthey need to leave the gearing alone they just have crappy tires
@@TylerDuysen higher gearing changes the power delivery. Slightly lower torque and HP at the dig means less wheel spin/slip with the bonus of a higher top speed at redline for each gear.
@@chucksherron yes but in this case the power delivery of the ducarti wouldnt do that itd just slip even more slicks and pavement do not get along so the more you change the gearing to raise top speed in this case wont change the power delivery for each gear (on the bioke it would already have alot smaller sprocket and the engines powerband/power delivery is set up for that so putting a smaller sprocket on will just match the stock gearing on the bike
@@TylerDuysen it doesn't work that way, though I see where you get that idea. Smaller final drive sprocket will drop rpm at the wheel at the same input. Simple as that. Less rpm at the wheel equals more control
Also the cart has smaller rear wheels lowering gearing even further. He said he was leaving in 2nd or 3rd already. With a longer gear it could spend more time in a gear taking advantage of the torque and waist less time with gear changes. And yes a taller gear is less likely to spin especially with slicks. I think all they could do is test and tune to know for sure though.
All that wind resistance with the wind up Ikes shorts slowed him down considerably! LOL! 🤣
Gives a new meaning to "Parachute Pants" or in Ike's case, shorts. :P
@@Slane583 Kinda sorta! Lol!
Sorry to say it Isaac but you are not very aerodynamic haha. I wish we could have seen some of the top speeds during those races. For both carts.
@@davolbc Charles woulda been faster on the DuKarti! Less wind resistance and mass.
@@CLCIII that mass might have been the only thing holding that cart to the ground. Think about it.
Wow that ducarti is quick. When i was 7 years old my father brought home a 100hp Briggs and Stratton water pump motor that would not run. So my 2 brothers and I worked on that motor all winter and finally in the spring after school let out we finally got it fixed to where it would run only on racing fuel. My father built us a racing go cart and put the engine on it. While all the other go karts used belt drive we used cogs to where there was no chance in a chain or belt would break. We test drove it down the main highway and a state trooper clocked us going down a straight of way going 145mph needless to say he gave my oldest brother a ticket for use of a go kart on a road and a reckless driving and speeding ticket. We used the kart as a drag kart for many years then we sold it to another person who got hurt very bad on it by not wearing safety gear. I love you're videos bc it takes me back to my child hood when we built karts to,race. Keep up the great work
That was so totally cool Isaac beating the dads car in the ducarti. Charles did an excellent job in running the cart if they had the jetting and tune on his cart he might have bee a good contender
That is so amazing to see the Durcarti haul butt. To see those two cart going that fast it is cool. I bet the Durcarti would go even faster that 107 with some tuning and a different tire combo. Both carts need to be able to lock the front brakes and do a burn out. That would help them go even faster. The are super cool.
He wasn't topping it out
A 4WD would make an awesome launch from another planet.
Everybody knows Isaacc likes to party. But really bro. Please get some leg leathers and full face helmet for those 100 mph runs. I want to continue watching you guys for a long time to come. Unbelievable awesome 😎
Yea. That gave me the willy's. No way would I do that in just shorts. Too many things could go terribly wrong.
@@hippydippy As it's known in the medical field "Meat Crayon"...
John, Issac, Charles are a good dynamic which makes this channel one of my favourites. Great content guys.
god damn those karts are fast!! man you guys have come along way, ive been here since 250 subscribers, hats off to you guys for staying true to yourselves, bravo gentlemen!!
That was sweet! Love the Ducati, but get that 670 dialed in it will be a contender! Peace.
The 670 should win easily if its dialed in. 125 hp vs 80 is a massive difference, even if the torque converter loses you some power it will also gain cause you lose no time on shifts and are always at peak pwr rpm.
When you announced this matchup, I knew it wasn't as easy as straight up power to weight ratio. The DuKarti has 2 big cylinders, a lot more torque, and multiple gears. The 2 stroke has that bog on the launch, and needs to rev to the moon to realize it's hp advantage. Also, while the CVT is more linear, I wonder it the gearing on it is holding it back. Either way, those karts are no slouch!
That 2 stroke should have way more torque than the Dukarti. 80+ftlb vs 56 ftlb for the Ducati. They both make their peak power at 7-8,000rpm, although obviously the 2 stroke sounds revvier because it's making twice as many bangs. If the 2 stroke was tuned correctly it would win every time.
@@thebubaloomonkey 2 stroke guys 😢😅😮
@@thebubaloomonkey the Ducati has like 25 more horse power though these things don’t weigh so much
@@Agilepickleunite how'd you work that out? They tell you the power ratings at the start of the video.
I've been watching you guys from day one and you guys just don't disappoint!! I've learned a lot throughout the years with you guys!!! Best video channel You Tube will ever have!!!
Wow that cart is insanely fast!!! I am really blown away at your sound quality in this episode! Great job guys. Always enjoy watching the fun. And yeah best day at work ever.😊
Currently stuck at home recovering from a motorcycle wreck back in March. You guy’s videos have helped me keep my sanity being stuck at home in a wheelchair and out of work. I’ve been a fan for years but your videos have really helped keep my spirits up these past couple of months, so I really gotta thank you for that. I think I’ve rewatched the kross-cart, trophy kart, and yard dart builds three times each now and it never ceases to put a smile on my face seeing you guys rip a new build for the first time. Keep up the awesome work🤘🤘
Not even scratching the surface of what that 670 can do.
We agree. They're nearly neck and neck and the 670 has A LOT left in it. We're going to get the engine running right, re gear it, and try it again.
Nothing like going prepared, Helmet, Gloves, Jacket, and Camo Cargo "Racing" Shorts! ROFL you guys are GREAT FUN!
Sweet video!! Charles is great on that cart. And the Ducarti is insane as usual. Ike made it look easy over the Audi. John’s commentary is always spot on.
Man I can't wait til y'all get the 670 DIALED. I wanna see that thing just booking it down the dragstrip with no issues each pass. It's literally a monster and once you guys can figure out what is actually going on with it, it will be so much more fun.
Good luck with that. They keep leaning out an engine that's been staring for fuel since day one. So many subscribers have mentioned it including me. Someone has too big of an ego to listen to the subscribers about tuning. Matter of fact, I've never seen them take advice or mention they have ever.
If they would just take it to a qualified 2-stroke tech, he'd probably figure it out in 2 minutes.
It definitely needs to be rejected it should absolutely destroy that Ducati when that motor was in the sled it made 120 hp and would launch a 700 lb snowmobile driven by a 200 lb track and suspension system faster than a crotch rocket to 100 mph
@@FarmerFpv 2 Strokes are always fiddley (when you are trying to dial them in), but when you get it right they GO. I agree, they should take it into someone who knows.
@@burtmcgurt3584 those 670s are fairly easy to jet and tune. Been about 4 years since I've touched one but I think they like a 145 main with #70 pilot if I recall, 2.5 turns out on the airscrew, forgot the needle type but with the stock ones in a Bing 54mm it was a toss up between the third and fourth clip. They may also have the rotary valve timing off by a tooth or so possibly too.
Hey guys, another awesome head to head. Ya just so happen to have an airport runway layn around these days hey...lol good on ya boys, alot a good memories.
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If you guys haven't messed with the clutches yet on the 670, consider it. Ask any professional running sled engines in the summer. Leaner jetting, and less weight in primary clutches is key. Alot of power is lost, but the engine will run happy at least. Also should add the peak rpm is critical, and many people use exhaust gas temp sensors to watch the jetting/load/etc.
Thinking back to the little wagon go cart and NOW, You guys have come a long way. Im proud of you guys. Keep it up but stay safe !👍
I love that Ike is wearing an open face helmet, leather jacket......and shorts.
Definitely an interesting combo
@@justinvoelker9781 It'll be fine!
This is the video I've been waiting for!!! Both builds are insanely fast. You guys always deliver great content. Get the 670 tuned and make a part 2... BTW, can we call Ike skid mark from now on? lol Not just from the rubber laid on the tarmac.. I'm sure 107 mph on a go-kart forced a bowel movement
"...forced a bowel movement" dude, what a polite way to say something is pants-shittingly terrifying and exciting in equal measure. Excitifying? Yeah, excitifying.
That. Was. Awesome.
I've been a subscriber for a few years now and Cars and Cameras keeps getting better. All three of you guys ROCK, John's dad also!
Many blessings to y'all!
one of your best videos , thanks 😊 from Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺
They started in their old garage now they’re racing on a private runway👏🏻 respect
That looks like so much fun. It reminds me of the old days. Be careful not to run to lean on the two stroke. I’ve changed many pistons. I know I said in a previous episode the reed valves are really important for raising. You will flood out because just like regular valves the pistons can move faster than the valves. They are plastic and if they get to warm they really start behaving bad. Just for fun put two stroke jugs on motorcycle gears. It will change your life.
Yeah he was way faster on the first hit I bet it was hot after that
That b roll shot at 1:40 was sweet. The two karts popping out from, behind the r8 was cool.
Guys- ABSOLUTELY LOVING this video!!! You HAVE to do more airport tests!!
The Ducati on the 670cc predator drag build would be insane 🔥🔥🔥
They said they wasn’t gonna do it ☹️
The ducarti is so violent and I love it
That Ducarti is why I started watching y'all. It's so incredible
Big moves from C&C, rented out air strip, super cars, man I've seen so much from y'all. I will always watch the vids, such a great vibe with the crew.
The intake on a 2stroke can be as important as the exhaust. If there's some way to rig up the original intake for testing, I'd try and do it. If it works you can look at the shape/length and maybe try to replicate it. Some 2strokes don't even like closed ends on air filters like the ones you're using because you can get pulses coming back through the carbs, bouncing off the back of the air filters and causing tuning issues. You might also want to make sure those powervalves are not stuck.
I bet they don't know what a powervalve is
Its factory standard with a cold weather tune. Basically it just needs tuning for the temp so it runs well. Once tuned, it should easily outdo the ducati without modification.
@@jordantucker305 yes it does
@@dipstiksubaru3246 I stand corrected. Not ski doo expert. But could very well be a torn bellow in the power valves.
Now build a rear engine dragster using a high powered motorcycle engine love the channel keep up the good work 👍 👌
Hell yea
Nothing says safety like a riding jacket and shorts 🤣🤣 great vid guys!
Easily your BEST VIDEO YET. This was just flat out awesome to watch.
Sup dudes! Been watching for a solid year now. Love this stuff! This one seemed like a blast! Keep at it!
need that 2 stroke in top form for a proper race
Awesome video guys. I remember when 20.000 subscribers was alot. I've always enjoyed u. Congratulations on million
Ditch the 670 exhaust and put an aftermarket nice one on. (Quiet series maybe) Then get the jetting right. Both were well matched and awesome to see almost flying :)
that 2 stroke sounds like it’s leaning out
If you watched video he said he leaned it
that 2 stroke twin would be soooo much better with dual tuned pipes and a carb thats tuned right
The King and forever my FAVORITE. The Ducarti . I watched this episode a few times. So Awesome. Great competition 👏 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
This is probably the most awaited type of content for sure. Awesome video guys!
Well we can tell now who has the biggest balls in the company🤣 Ike is the man
I would love to see what the 670 would do with a manual 5 or 6 speed. I bet it would be alot quicker as it's tuned now. With it dialed in I think it would take the Ducarti. You could get it on the pipe really quick & with those high rpms you would be in 5th or 6th real quick. It just seems like it's loosing alot of acceleration with the torque converter.
It's all to do with their lack of knowledge of snowmobiles that's hurting the 670. Not the transmission.
Torque coverter dialed to 100% combinated with getting the carbs tuned right will be sick. Way faster than a gearbox.
Torque converter is great for 2 stroke acceleration, when tuned right. It allows launching and maintaining absolute peak power rpm from basically 0 to full speed. These 2 strokes are made with that in mind, so even just 100rpm wrong in the tuning can lose you significant power.
czcams.com/video/3Ymx4KuN7gg/video.html example, you can see from pretty much a standing start he has it at over 8krpm and maintaining that, with gearing youd have to slip the clutch and need some skill to not bog down in that heavy snow.
@@linushforsberg8385 precis 👌👌
Ike that kart looks like a handful and your a mad man. I bet Charles would be in the same boat if he could launch his. Stay safe guys! Look forward to more content!
I would love to see you guys make a 2 into 1 exhaust for the Ducarti. Little more performance. Those karts are crazy fast. And the balance difference as far as how the power is put down is insane.
This is a cool video! My main critique of you guys is you never seem to get your stuff sorted out before doing these bigger tests. It kills me... You have a whole airstrip at your disposal but you didn't get everything dialed before going. Still a cool video and fun comparison but this is a growth edge for you guys.
I'm glad you called that out. You guys have great content to make with these awesome carts and you should get you stuff sorted when you get opportunities like this. I hope to see more!
Come on!!! This is bloody great content and I think they know what they are doing. This channel has always been about building and testing go carts and mini bikes and teaching us , I think I can safely say that the ducarty was dielled in. !!!!! And ready. Did anyone at all even remotely think that the snow mobeal was tuned for winter!!??? Well I sure didn't even think about that. Issac is the only one. Because he was there and realized that was why it was bogging down of the line.
@@robertrose1098 You're right, I'm just so used to high budget, high experience CZcams content. This is great shit either way. I can't wait to see more.
Imagine a stick shift on the 2-stroke.
You guys are the BEST !
Great episode, you guys are killin' it !
The Ducarti schools the R8....I love it !
Put the challenge out there, The Ducarti will race all comers, 1/8 dig or rolling.
Wow, that was sick! I think that was one of your best videos -all your hard work paying off!
Congrats on the mill guys, Your old Man is a legend, get him on more. Awesome video!!
Excellent, can't wait to see the smoker tuned perfectly with fresh rings 👍👍👍
Great stuff guys, looks like so much fun! I'd like to see the Dukarti engine on the green drag rail and back at the drag strip! Thanks for sharing!
That Monster just has soooo much torque off the rip. It seems like it wants to kill ya all the time! I’d bet the green goblin would just as wild if the fuel issue was cleared up.
Great vid, fellas. 🥳
Freaking awesome! Get that 670 running right and it would be awesome to see who has the upper hand.
Great Racing!!! Way to go Guys! I am absolutely sure that you all had FUN!! Thanks for the ride along!
that was some awesome racing. it made me wish i still had my homebuilt sandrail and could run you with it. i did have a bit bigger motor in it - cbr 1000rr - would still be a blast. thank you for such fun content.
everybody should have fun like that at work, great stuff guys thanks
Awesome. So scared. No hoop on ducati. Crazy speeds. Glad all went well. Dont wanna see another spill in the road. Watching the r8 go down was sad, but it shows what you guys can build. Great job!
Man that fly by on the first race looked like that Ducati kart hit boost 😂💪🏻🔥🔥
Good stuff. Got to love the leather jacket and shorts safety combo
oh man. That 670 definitely needs some tuning but the fact that even in its current state it could keep up with the ducarti shows how much of a beast it really is
You darned children✊
Amazing runs that Ducatorque cart is frighteningly quick. Must feel like 300mph that close to the tarmac.👍👍
Holy. Freaking. Crap. Man the Ducarti packed the front tires on that 2nd run against the Audi and I was on the edge of my seat losing it!! Way to go guys! Awesome episode! And Ike..... man, you got balls of steel. You are fearless on that thing, and in shorts!! Bravo.
Notice Ducarti having a tiny wheelie in the last launch? That is a ton of go in a kart!
That was awesome 👌 I can't wait for the rematch !!
You and John have come a long way , I watched you guys from first episode . Enjoy every episode ! ( still waiting to hear about your C10 John )
Ike has a slight advantage cuz of the streamlined legs! So freaking fun looking, you guys rock!
You have got to get them both running right and then show both of the top speeds. I would love to see you get the times at the track too! 👍 🤩
That’s the power difference between a four stroke and a two stroke, a four stroke has bottom end power a 2 stroke has top end power..great video fellas!! Couldn’t hit the 👍🏻 like button fast enough..
Can we call the snowmobile cart the SnowmoCart? Looked like a good day of fun there boys!
Best video yet!!!! Shoulda raced the 670 against the r8 too
That Ducarti is an animal!!! That was awesome guys keep up the great content! 👍🏽🔥👍🏽
Isaac was tearing shit up! THAT'S how you drive a gokart! 🤘🏻😁🤘🏻
Wow what a amazing episode looked like a hell of a lot of fun ,next it’s to the drag strip for the dicarti ,great job guys 👍👍
@13:16 that would have been a sick shot for that plane to buzz the go karts otw back to the start🔥🔥🔥
Sick stuff everyone! Wicked fking fast 🤣
Jon, would love a down low shot fixed near the tire so we can see some of that high speed depris flying
getting to see Charles wheel something for a change made it all worth it.. with more tuning and some gearing the 2 stroke will put a spankin on the Ducarti. good job!