Dundee United 2-0 Roma, European Cup S/F 1984
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- čas přidán 28. 03. 2013
- This should have been the year of the all-British, European Cup final: Liverpool v Dundee United. Regrettably, it never happened. Whereas the English side advanced from their semi-final, the Scots fell victim to a bribed French referee in the second leg of theirs. Nevertheless, they can look back on this game with immense pride - probably United's best ever night in Europe. It was watched by Arthur Montford.
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Still mad to think Dundee United got to a European cup semi final and a few years later, a UEFA cup final. What a great team they were.
dont forget a year earlier Aberdeen beat Real Madrid to win the ECWC and Dundee United were winning the title. Two provincial clubs up against the old firm at home and the cream of Europe abroad and beating them.The Bosman ruling has made it impossible for smaller clubs. We used to be able to sell our best players and spend it on bringing through new talent. oh well maybe ourtime will come again.
Absolutely! They were such a great team that they lost the return match 3-0
@@vanderark89 who can ever forget that?
@@gardengnome2409 old firm fans sometimes forget that us lot even exist.
@@QualeFormaggio just displaying narrowness of knowledge …. Or a breadth of ignorance
The golden era of Scottish football
It's like peering into another dimension... May we return one day!!
I know... Celtic are my team, and Dundee Utd are my 'other team' - Such changed days compared to the heights these legends rose under McLean.......
RIP Jim McLean. Legend.
love utd 2nd goal when the ballboy gets that excited hes about to run onto pitch and celebrate but his wee pal grabs him back as if to say you' r not aloud to dae that.
😄
what a final Liverpool v Dundee United would have been.
a final UEFA ensured they paid would never happen, as was a Forest v Spurs UEFA Final that year or a MU v Aberdeen CWC final that year. England winning the European Cup from 77 to 82 got the paychecks out to refs. And the Forest debacle was proved btw. It was a nasty period of bribery.
It must have been spirit crushing to miss out on a European final because of cheating
If Roma did indeed bribe the referee, they should demand their money back - he disallowed 2 fair Roma goals lol. If ANy tHING ROMA WERE ROBBED OF 2 goals . should hav been 5 0 for roma , also roma were robbed agains liverpool in final .liverpool scored an irregular goal
Tradurre in inglese, please. La Roma degli anni 80 e di quell anno in particolare, era, come tasso tecnico, la squadra più forte d'Europa.. Probabilmente inferiore solo alla Juventus.. Sicuramente superiore al Liverpool.. Che dalla sua aveva maggior esperienza e mentalità vincente. Tra la Roma e il Dundee United c'era una differenza enorme.
My Dad went to this game sat in the main stand wearing a Lazio top (which was rare in those days) and he got chased by the Roma fans!
What was the IQ of your Dad?
@@closed7234 my god...you are right! 🤣🤣🤣ahahaha
I always had memories of football being ropey and not free-flowing in the 80's. This is some great football! Anyway, a good reminder and memory of Jim McLean brought me here!
Aside from the Celtic team of '67, probably the best Scottish team in Europe. No disrespect to Aberdeen or the Rangers team of '72.
Nah aberdeen swept dundee utd aside for years
@@thingsicantfind9545 he said IN EUROPE
Dundee F.C. in ‘63-‘64
Rangers and Aberdeen actually won the tournaments so how is it better
What a team
Quality commentary.
Love the old goal celebrations … none of this modern nonsense … just ‘yaaaas’
How much better would this game have been if we had VAR and a crowd filming it on their mobile phones?
My uncle is derack stark who scored the second goal
You would think you would know how to spell your uncle's name.
My uncle was ROBERTO PRUZZO 😂😂😂😂😂
Dundee United bossing Roma in the European Cup. Brilliant.
ma vai a fare in culo pupazzo
3 pizze avete preso zitti e a casa MERDE
The Roma number 10 reminded me on my old friend Gordon Strachen both in looks and style but Gordon was by far the better player.
Lol roma had to bribe the ref to go through
@@bears9055 If Roma did indeed bribe the referee, they should demand their money back - he disallowed 2 fair Roma goals lol. If ANy tHING ROMA WERE ROBBED OF 2 goals . should hav been 5 0 for roma , also roma were robbed agains liverpool in final .liverpool scored an irregular goal
Robbed in the second leg, imagine Liverpool vs Dundee United!
Good day. Next like and thank from Baku city
I was at this game, though I don't remember much. I do remember, though, that Sturrock missed a great chance for United to make it 3-0. It was incredible to see a Scottish provincial team playing with such skill and confidence against top foreign opposition. All I will say about the return leg is it cast little but shame upon Roma. The Italian press seized on a throwaway remark by Jim McLean that United were "on drugs" in the first leg, obviously a joke, but the Italians whipped up their supporters - and players - into a frenzy about it. There were some appallingly abusive banners flown by Roma fans at the second game. And, after the final whistle, McLean and others were assaulted by Roma PLAYERS. This alone should have got Roma thrown out of the competition - but they went on to lose the final v Liverpool. It could have been United v Liverpool - in the European Cup Final - would have been the biggest Scottish football event, ever.
i was a season ticket holder at tannadice between 82-85. i remember booing at half time. shame on me. i think mclean did make some nasty remarks about italians. he should have kept quiet. we still bottled it in the second leg in front of 70,000 frenzied Romans.
@@johnmorgan5408 What adverse remarks did Jim McLean make?
In an interview after the first leg, an Italian journalist accused the United players of being on drugs. Jim was asked to respond and he did do by saying the allegation was nonsense and made a joke that if that was the case, he would have them on drugs every week. The Italian media took it literally and whipped the Roma players and fans into a frenzy of hatred. The conduct of the Roma players at the final whistle was a disgrace.
The only comment McLean had ever made on the subject is that he had never watched a video of that match as it left a bad taste in his mouth. A fairly reserved and measured comment in the circumstances.
@@Aidankiwi there was an allegation that he made nasty remarks about Italians. I don’t know. For the Italians to make references about drugs is a laugh. The number of ex Italian footballers suffering from heart attacks due to their steroids intake is alarming
THE REF AND ITALIANS ADMITTED THET TOOK BRIBES
@@thespursfan7564 the ref in the second leg was bent as came out a few years later I am an Arbroath fan and only 18 miles away at the time if Arbroath were not playing it was an absolute joy to watch United in those European gsmes
ABERDEEN ANN UTD WERE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL , OUR PURPLE PATCH , I ALWAYS WONDERED IF MCLEAN GOT OFFERED A BIG JOB IN ENGLAND , JUST LIKE OUR FERGIE
A fantastic squad,something the wee team will never achieve ftd
That second goal was a peach.
That year (1984) Dundee Utd just missed out on a Liverpool v Utd EC Final, & The CWC Final could have been Aberdeen v Man Utd as both went out in their SFs to Porto & Juve respectively.
yeah and UEFA made sure it never happened, nor a Spurs v NF UEFA Cup Final. It was a miracle 2 English teams won trophies that season. Corruption in 80s was rampant.
I mind watching this game in black and white..
Ah you come from Inverness 😂
Derek Stark take a bow.
He's my uncle
Stark was a great player. I remember him scoring a goal of the season in around 1980. A 40 yarder against Morton!
@@fazeribena5357 he was a cracking player.
So near, yet it took the Roma chairman "Viola" to bribe the ref in the second leg, to make sure Roma qualified for the Final which was on their own patch !!! 3 years later We reached the Final of the UEFA Cup, only to lose narrowly to Gothenburg. Oh how I wish we had a team like that today !!!
& we will again, "Mon the Arabs". 😎
Great days when it wasn't all about Rangers or Celtic and there cowardly I.R.A flag waving fans.
that's a bit one sided that isn't it
Jeezo! you couldn't fit a ciggie paper between the good point & the snidey sectarianism. You work for the BBC per chance. 🤣
At least Utd fans weren't huns who let their club die.
Don't see many IRA flags by Celtic fans but I do see them fly the simple Irish flag. Nothing wrong with that.
These orange shirted fellas were superb when iwas a wee guy man... Still love that adidas originals strip.. CLass
tut tut. Its tangerine laddie !!!
@@johnmorgan5408 LOl sorry mate.. Tangerine it is
Superb.
great game from times when football was real game more authentic European tournaments
and rampant bribery, proved.
"What A Thumper !"
Those corners of ground are iconic.
What a thumper!
No. 7 is Ian Redford
?
It's Eamon Bannon
Redford arrived at Tannadice in 1986, just before United went on to reach an European Final(1987 UEFA Cup).
I saw Ian Redford score for rangers against Kilmarnock in 81 with Bobby Russell in a 2-0 win.
Chorizo tasty skills .
Shame the result in the end was fixed
Sorry mate but over the two matches Roma deserved there win, the match in Rome was a bridge to far for United. A brave effort though from a cracking team
@@guidotamburrini2735 If Roma did indeed bribe the referee, they should demand their money back - he disallowed 2 fair Roma goals lol. If ANy tHING ROMA WERE ROBBED OF 2 goals . should hav been 5 0 for roma , also roma were robbed agains liverpool in final .liverpool scored an irregular goal
best team ever simple
william grogan ABERDEEN
@@charlenegatt1769 Nope. They never won the big cup.,
@@captainwin6333 they won the cup winners cup
Roma had won the league with Conti world cup winner 82 and Brazilians Cerezo and Falcao - as if they would need to bribe the ref in order to beat Dundee ! Watch the second leg in Rome they should have scored 8.
Yeah,because really good Italian teams have never bribed officials,that's sarcasm in case you don't understand.
suffern63 Whenever a Brit team comes from behind they are heroic supermen. If an Italian club does the same then they bribed to win! In Italy bribery is a way of life: but a good Italian team would have needed to bribe the referee to lose against Dundee !
OK,I partly agree with you and can't be bothered arguing.You are,of course,talking shit about Dundee United which was a fine team.What happened to Roma in the final?Did they bottle it in their own stadium?I seem to remember they did.
suffern63 Roma were the best team in the world 1983-85, but very arrogant and overconfident: Dundee played out of their skins to win the first leg but if Dundee had scored 3 then Roma would have got 4 in the return. Later on, Roma bottled it in the final, you are absolutely right.
@@mediastarguest it was proven that they bribed officials
This is just your opinion, Mr. Houghton, Roma deserved the final as Liverpool diserved the final win, nevertheless Liverpool first gol was not regular during that final match.
you bribed the ref you cheat
@@johnmorgan5408 ma vattenaffanculo
Glory days of Scottish fitba
Je ne suis pas d'accord, la Roma méritait largement un but (je ne suis pas spécialement fan, la finale qui a suivi est la plus mauvaise de coupe des champions).
As an Arbroath fan going to those United games unless Arbroath had a game I happened to be in London going to Spurs v Hajuk Split game popped into a bookies to see how united got on they lost 3-0 later found out the ref was as bent as ten Bob note united vliverpool should have been the final whether UEFA did want a wee team in the final or a ref was told not to let them and made the scapegoat is for people to decide but still think bent UEFA and ref conspired to not have United in the final
If Roma did indeed bribe the referee, they should demand their money back - he disallowed 2 fair Roma goals lol. If ANy tHING ROMA WERE ROBBED OF 2 goals . should hav been 5 0 for roma , also roma were robbed agains liverpool in final .liverpool scored an irregular goal
Roma chairman did indeed bribe the ref, though the 2nd leg was 90% Roma and could have been 6 or 7. But a good DU away goal was ruled out early. That could have changed destiny. Im delighted Roma have never won the CL , and evrytime they come to England they get smashed. Theyre no AC Milan.
We should ask Roma or Liverpool for a rematch. Although the referee was bribed United totally froze on the day and the ref even disallowed a Roma goal after 5 mins that was not offside. Still the fact remains that he took the bribe and the game should have been been voided. I still hate Roma to this day and Lazio will always be my Italian team(hail Gazza) :)
You are a perfect idiot
Same old eyeties!!!!!
If Roma did indeed bribe the referee, they should demand their money back - he disallowed 2 fair Roma goals lol. If ANy tHING ROMA WERE ROBBED OF 2 goals . should hav been 5 0 for roma , also roma were robbed agains liverpool in final .liverpool scored an irregular goal
Robbed in Italy
Feck me - forgot this game.U-shited should have been 3 down in the 1st half alone!!
Roma could have scored early on and killed the tie there. It was wrong for Viola to try to bribe the ref for the game in Rome but difficult atmosphere or not Dundee was not in the same class as Roma was in 1984. To want runners up medals for that competition now after 34 years is ridiculous
the scots want anything they can sell for a cluster of Strong Brew.
3-0 e tutti a casa🟡🔴🟡🔴
Cheating. The ref was bribed.
@@captainwin6333 ah ah ah Pruzzo Pruzzo Dii Bartolomei ..... era così corrotto che ci ha annullato 2 gol !!!!!
No quests volta hanno davero pagato l'albitro
@@massimo715 Quanto sono stupidi i tifosi anglosassoni...
What rubbish about the ``bribery''. Look at the videos of the return leg. All three goals were regular. Roma were the much better team over the two legs.
You do know UEFA found out about it and it has been proven
If the claim of bribery was “rubbish” why was Roma president Dino Viola subsequently banned from the game for bribing the referee?
@@Aidankiwi There might have been an *attempt* to bribe the referee. Michel Vautrot was probably the most respected referee of that era. Watch a video of the second leg. There was nothing irregular about the goals or the win. There was even a valid Roma goal turned down. Dundee totally froze at the Olimpico. That's not Roma's fault nor due to the referee.
@@gregoryviscusi1676 Dino Viola received a life time ban from the game for the act of bribing the referee - fact. Dundee were not playing in this match, it was Dundee United. If you can't get something as basic as the name of one of the teams correct, why should anyone believe anything else you have to say on the subject.
@@gregoryviscusi1676 If Roma did indeed bribe the referee, they should demand their money back - he disallowed 2 fair Roma goals lol. If ANy tHING ROMA WERE ROBBED OF 2 goals . should hav been 5 0 for roma , also roma were robbed agains liverpool in final .liverpool scored an irregular goal
Destroyed in Rome. “Oh but the ref was bribed, even the chairman said so” blah blah pish and shite. Roma had 2 disallowed goals in Rome and in reality most of the decisions went in Utd’s favour. Dundee Utd fans fail to forget they completely bottled it in Rome and thoroughly got what they deserved...fuck all. 3 - 0 going on 6
The referee was bribed. That is a fact. He admitted taking a bribe. Google it.
You’re a Rocket Reni, we wiz robbed by a crooked ref and board members of Roma, and if half the shite that went on pre, during and after the game had been “noticed” by the relevant authorities, and acted upon properly, we would have been in the final. We were the “wee team fae Scotland” and how fucking dare we even try and take on the big boys. Same shite different era.
@@MrGreen1314 Serious question, but can you provide a link for that? My understanding was that the ref admitted taking a bribe for a match, but it was never confirmed that it was this match.
There is a good article from the Guardian. I will try and find the link. I believe it was confirmed. But, as am an arab, I would say that!
@@MrGreen1314 Cheers. Im sure i even saw a newspaper report it as fact without backing it up themselves. I just have a hunch its one of those chinese whispers things that has come out as 'proven', when it wasnt quite the case. Not with regards this specific match anyway.
If Utd had won they would have played Liverpool in final. Awesome.