DOC HARLEY: Screamin' Eagle® Smart Tune PRO
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- čas přidán 12. 12. 2018
- Doc Harley from the Service Clinic at Low Country Harley-Davidson to help you with the health of your motorcycle! Here he about the Harley-Davidson® Screamin' Eagle® Smart Tune PRO!
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Doc Harley is a motorcycle technician at Low Country Harley-Davidson with over thirty years working on motorcycles. Over the years at the dealership he has worked on Harley-Davidson, Buell, and Triumph motorcycles with a few other brands here and there from trade-ins. There are thousands of how-to videos out on CZcams and other websites across the world. Doc’s goal is to help solve problems that people run into when using their service manual, share insights only found as a certified Harley® technician, and some of the tips he’s picked up over the years.
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i did a stage 1 with all screaming eagle parts (high flow air cleaner, exhaust and tuner). i can assure you that there is a huge difference between stock.
the bike really does "wake up" with an attitude. lol. great products! (and actually less expensive than other aftermarket products)
Thank You Doc Harley for all of your fantastic videos. I truly enjoy watching and learning. I live 2 hours north of Charleston so I hope one day I can ride down.
I have a brand new 2023 107 Street Glide ( less than 500 miles ). Day one I had the Stage 2 installed consisting of the new SE Pro Street Tuner, SE-447 Torque cam, SE oval ventilator ( K&N ). a Bassani catless head pipe ( the stock crossover was used the dealer told me ) and I have the great sounding large 4.5" Rinehart DBX 45's.
I'm coming from a carb EVO so I'm learning how to use my Pro street tuner as I was getting popping early on and wonder if it was running hot? The SE tuner said 290F last month and I added the Harley oil cooler fan day one too....but things are improving the more I have the tuner learn but I'm not sure about having to use a cell phone to get my bike right. The idea of buying and using this smart tuner that will make adjustments auto be a hot/ cold day at the beach or Mt Mitchell NC is appealing to me if it will work on my bike.
Doc, You mention something about the smart tuner working best when Harley parts or close to Harley parts are used, I think that was the general idea.
Do you think I will be okay purchasing and using this product with my non-Harley exhaust setup? I have asked multiple shops about this product to try and get some thoughts and input but its as if folks are not knowledgeable about this product and or suggest I don't need it but do not explain why I don't need it.
I have lots to learn about my SE pro Street tuner but I question how do I prepare as example for my vacation when I leave the Carolina Coast and head up to the Carolina high Country. Will I need to try and re-tune when I get up high or do I need this smart tuner if I find myself going from sea level to the Blue Ridge Parkway in a day? Will this Screamin' Eagle Smart Tune Pro play nice with my setup?
This is a long discussion. I admire your desire to learn and make it right. Email me so we can write some more. Look forward to our meet….Doc
Hey Doc I was down in Low Country today looking at a Street Glide. Thanks for your tips its helps alot!!
Thanks Doc, finally a video about the SE auto tuner. Just put the SE auto tuner on my FLSS. It woke up my bike and it runs smooth now. I’m happy with the tune just wish it was cheaper in price!! 😣💸💸
the bike should have been running smooth from the factory. I own a Road King Classic and I love it but having to spend all this $$ for an expensive bike is absurd.
Well done and well said first I’ve heard of this I’m gonna have to check it out thanks
What a great salesman! Awesome voice! Instantly like this guy!
Much appreciated!..Doc
I luv my stage 2 on my m8 road king. Feels like 25% more power.
I highly recommend it...
what exhaust do you have?
For us outside the states that can still get the orange super tuners the smart tune pro is a good option. I have it on my stage 2 softie works great overall price about same as power commander or power vision.
What do I need for a 2014 Street Glide, service says its only a download? I'm confused
Sounds interesting Doc.
Doc I have 20 m8 softail low rider s with114. What tuner from HD do I need?
is there a SE tuner for 2003 ultra classic?
Can the smart tune pro work with the power vison tuner ??
Bought a 18 Tri Glide last year. Stage 1 done. Very interested in the Pro Street tuner, but possibly for different reasons than most: I believe I can probably run higher Ethanol blends anywhere terrain wise. Thats if my understanding of the function of the tuner is understood correctly. Trouble is, I have an extended warranty and want to keep it, HD hasn't approved the Pro Street Tuner for my trike. Told they weren't sure if the drive line would stand it, but I'm thinking that the extra cubes on the 19's negates that discussion. I also understand the fuel requirements to maintain the warranty, I think I'm good there. So, I'm wondering if anyone has noticed anything if they've upped the ethanol blends in conjunction with the Pro Street Tuner? Oh- and BTW- for the ethanol haters, I've heard it all, I have quite a lot of experience with ethanol in other high performance motors. Just nothing new with warranty on the line. Probably not going to change my mind on e-fuels. Really like to find out what HD does to make E 27 work in Brazil on their bikes.........
Good advice
Thank you for the video! Should I re-tune after installing slip-ons on my Fatbob 114? My bike already had a high tune intake from factory. When using the Screaming Pro-street tuner would it be safe for me to just choose stage 1 mapping until I can get her on a Dynameter? Thanks!
Yes.
I own a 2019 Sport Glide. I am very pleased with the performance of the bike and do not plan performance upgrades. I wouldn't mind a deeper sounding exhaust and have looked at the SE Street Canons. I have a few questions.
1) If I put on the slip-ons without remapping the ECM will I loose bottom end torque ?
2) Do I need a new map with slip-ons?
2) I do not wish to buy a tuner because I plan no further modifications. Can the tech download a new map?
Thanks for your videos. I find them extremely informative.
I have run many different styles of slip on‘s and didn’t have Harley flash the ecm. I never had any problems. I believe they do not do the stage 1 ecm flash anymore even if they did I would not recommend it. For another $100 bucks or so you can get a piggy back unit and get more bang for your buck. I would recommend something other than Screamin Eagle mufflers. I have a set of older SE slash downs on my ultra a I’m about to gut em. Samson makes a great product, great to deal with and you can buy direct from them. The only tuner I would buy from Harley would be the SERT but it has been banned. Also I would have my dyno tune done by a independent shop. Unless you get lucky and it’s slow season it will get the good enough tune. I got a awesome tune and it was half price service in November this was several years ago back when it was dale’s hd in mt. Vernon Illinois. Now Black Diamond owns that dealership so you can forget about any deals there back to your question you will be fine with SE slip on’s and the stock ecm tune it must be nice to be satisfied with the performance of a factory bike. Every one I have had I bring it home and start with the performance upgrades! Keep the shiny side up Brother!
Rhineheart slip on and standard headers and inlet sound great.Very impressive for quality and sound ,money well spent.Now want a better intake filter assembly cold air induction so have to go a maximus tuner to get best of both worlds.Best of luck from 🇦🇺
I have 2017 Street Glide Stage IV with Smart Tune Pro already installed. If I switch from the full Harley High Flow exhaust to a different exhaust, will the auto tuner make the corrections needed or do I need another map download? Thanks.
The Screamin' Eagle® Smart Tune Pro was designed for Harley-Davidson® parts. There are no downloads for alternative manufacturers.
Hey Doc, this used 15 RK I bought came with a Pro Street tuner and stage 1 parts that are not SE parts. Is this an issue or should I switch to SE mufflers and intake?
Not an issue if tuned correctly….Doc
I have installed a standard hypercharger and v&h mini grenades on my 2017 forty eight. How to map it using the SE pro street tuner.
You need the Smart Tune Pro...
Sucks that if u have a 2023 the SEPST won’t work on catless headpipes.
2023 FLTRX
SE 447 cam
55mm intake
Tab slipons and air cleaner
Damn epa tune
They dialed it in pretty freakin well but still not as clean as the tune on POWERVISION on my last bike.
The road glide is my first new bike so
Wanted to keep that warranty. The 447 cam isn’t that bad
I’d love catless head pipes and a cooler
Running tune tho
Aftermarket full exhaust systems will work with the wide band O2 sensors without drilling or tapping.
Unfortunately, Harley-Davidson is ruled by the EPA. You’ve certainly heard the saying, “I’m from the Government and I’m here to help”. That’s a lie!
The EPA HATES MOTOR VEHICLES IN GENERAL, BUT THEY REALLY, REALLY HATE MOTORCYCLES, especially the ones from The Motor Company. Go with a TTS Mastertune II or a Dynojet Power Vision and you’ll never have to worry about wimpy tunes. **Anything that warns you that it’s NOT for Street use is a good thing.
The smart pro tuner did not fit in my 2019 Road King Special.
I have a quick question, someone may be able to help answer. While my Triglide was in getting serviced, I had HD install the high flow breather and Pro Street Tuner. Does anyone know if even though the tech did the tune am I still able to pair with my phone to see the properties etc without disrupting the already completed stage one tune?
I would download the software from HD. Take the tutorial. Learn how it works, Then connect and know you are good…Doc
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Finally some information concerning the Smart Tune Pro. I've been researching this and even asking my dealership about it, but they have no real idea about it and told me they've never sold one. Yet, I like the idea and really would like to do this. If I get the Pro Street Tuner and add the Smart Tune Pro, would I still need to get a dyno? I was told I would still need the dyno for it. Maybe I should try another dealership.
Jerry U the Dyno tune would get you to the Final Tune Maps Faster but not necessary if you have All Harley-Davidson upgrade parts.
@@ChasCrewChief Perfect! I rider all over the country so glad to learn more before I purchase. No where near you or I'd see you. Tks.
Got both of these on my 19 FLTRXS. Did a stage 2 torque cam and fullsac MX headers with zombie baffles . After about 60 miles of riding, the bike is a new machine . Runs awesome. Sounds awesome. Torque for days. Couldn’t be any happier and my warranty is still intact. I highly recommend it.
I’d also tell your dealer to do a base pull before adding the smart tune pro. Then do another down the road to compare.
A little confusion. Can you just purchase the smart tune pro, or must you purchase the pro street tuner first? If the bike was previously “dyno” tuned, can the ATM along with the wide band sensors function in conjunction with the dyno tune? Or will the smart tune pro over ride the dyno tuning?
If your bike runs well with the Dyno tune the ride and enjoy. To answer your questions, yes you must have the Harley-Davidson Pro Street Tuner first to add the Harley-Davidson Wide Band option. And you would be starting from scratch before the Dyno tune unless you Dyno tuned with the Harley-Davidson Tuner. The addition of the Wide Band Tuner would change any previous settings to fit what Harley set in their mapping. Thanks ~ Doc
A frind of mine he has an stage 4 kit and he would like to change cam from woods peformance is posible to do that with this tuner ?
love your videos.
best regards from Panama Central America.
The Harley-Davidson tuner probably cannot handle the upgrade to Bob Wood Cam. Remember H-D tuner is made for Harley-Davidson products only and tunes for EPA standards. Thanks ~ Doc
Does the Pro Street Tuner need to remain installed on the bike to make on-the-go adjustments once the Smart Tune Pro is installed?
Nope....The adjustments are while you ride...not permanent to the maps...Doc
So what does a super tuner do in context of Harleys anyway?
make it run even rougher so it sounds more Harley???
I don't believe you know that a tuner's capabilities are. Do more research. The answers are out there. ~ Doc
I’m looking at buying a used UL that has a SE tuner on it. Will I be able to access the tuner as I’m not the original owner? New to this, first Harley.
The early Black Box SE NO the software is so old. The SE orange box Yes and Pro Street tuners Yes
Can I do a dyna jet down the road after I do the screaming eagle tuner ???
Yes...Doc
Man, all I want is to put the slip on exhaust for a few dB higher sound. I don't want to spend an additional $400+ just to tell the bike to tune for that for fear of damaging the engine from a lean state. Wish dealers just did the tune for you when you come in.
This may be a silly question. Is there any benefit to installing a tuner on a bone stock 2019 FLTRU ?
I struggle with that question. It is my belief that no 2 Harley-Davidson motorcycles are the same. So even box stock an individual owner/motorcycle could be tuned better. BUT H-D does not offer their stock maps. Only modified ie: stage 1-4. The same with other tuners. TTS is the only tuner that allows saving your stock map but not modifing it. ThunderMax replaces your stock ECM. With their program you would have a cooler running bike (but of course at a price of lower MPG ) For now, keep it stock for the warranty and enjoy. Thanks ~ Doc
Great information Doc! Thanks......... Ride hard or stay home😎
The H-D Smart Tune Pro works quite well with a DynoJet Power Vision. Don’t even need a laptop confuser. Better than the Street Tuner C*ap. Street tuner from H-D should have the EPA logo on it instead of “Harley-Davidson”. EPA forced H-D to design it to EPA’S specs. Fact!
Doc, you’re a great tech and nice guy. Terrific videos. But..... We understand what’s going on and there’s nothing anybody can do about it.
Do you leave it plugged in, or do you unplug after a certain amount of miles?
You leave it plugged in.
can I add this pro auto tuner to a STOCK bike to run at its best ? or do I need at least a stage one ?
Mapping starts with Stage 1...Doc
My dealer just told me they'd have to have a welder assist with resizing the hole on the headers for the wide-band O-2 sensors... That's odd considering this video says they could just drill the hole to make it bigger...
Matt Page
They remove your header pipe and drill a certain size hole in each pipe about 6” from the heads so they can weld Bungs over the drilled holes, these Bungs have the threads in them to hold the bigger diameter O2 Sensors plus I believe they are put at a slight angle. Then they put plugs into the smaller factory Bungs which are located near the Catalytic Converters near the end of your header pipe.
It’s best to just replace the header pipe with a header without them Catalytic Converters, most after market header pipes come with both size Bungs for the either size of O2 Sensors and just plug the ones you don’t use and most header pipes come with a set of Bungs Plugs.
With an after market header pipe you lose weight by not having them Catalytic Converters (not per EPA though) plus your engine will run cooler which is a big plus and it might sound a bit different as in louder.
Wide band O2 Sensors monitor a wider area of your fuel & air mixture.
P.S. The Zippers ThunderMax ECM does all of this and more just replace your ECM under your seat no piggy back boxes to add to your system just swap out the ECM with the ThunderMax and it comes with the wide band O2 Sensors in the package a much cleaner and better system.
@@alanwhiteside410 thanks for the info. Im still under warranty so i'll have to wait on getting other headers unless i go with the more expensive high flow street cannons. But thanks for the explanation.
Matt Page
No problem 😎👍
How does this work if you have a cam other than SE? Will it work with the original SEPST orange box? I have the software for the SEPST.
It can get close with a skilled tuner but the orange box tuner software has been changed to meet EPA standards….Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson thanks Doc! That's a bummer. I have both + PV4. PV4 doesn't support WB though. Might be okay with a lot of data logging + updating tune.
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson the current software version I assume?
What size is the drill and tap for this application?
This comes to dealers as a kit #1490015. It includes a piloted drill bit to index with the original 02 bung then finishes with a M18 X 1.5 Piloted TAP.
Can these Harley tuners be used with a non-harley exhaust like 2 brothers or Bassani?
No. Everything is set up for Screeching Seagull. Thank the EPA.
How reliable is the Smart tuner? Any one here with over 10K mile in this tuner?
I can easily install a slip on and an air cleaner on my own. Do I have to take it to a Harley Dealer to get the Screaming Eagle Tuner installed? Or is this something I can do it on my own?
You could do it- you’ll have to buy the cables, tuner, and have a computer to download the software on.
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Does the tuner comes with the software or is this a another item I must buy?
@@GruntHarley The software is available for free online
Mine does nothing when I click on the Icon. I have installed it and re-installed it may times. H-D will not answer my repeated emails about it. What is going on with H-D?
First I am sorry you are having trouble using a Harley-Davidson product. In April, May and June Customers Service Staffing has been difficult. Even dealers have had answers come back 2-3 days later. Is your dealer willing to work with you? Sometimes software compatibility is the issue. In the Harley-Davidson software there is a video tutorial. As long as you have the serial number on the back of the tuner, I would delete the free program and re download. I hope you are using the Harley-Davidson cords and not internet copies. Communication is critical. Thanks ~ Doc
I own the tuner and have several upgrades.. a few geeky questions
After I’ve installed the auto tuner will the smart tune still work on the orange race tuner?
As it adjusts the autotune are these saved in the module or does it recalculate fresh every time? Ie does it progressively get better with time or does it continually recalculate from your smart tune base?
The smart tune pro does not work with the orange (super) tuner. With the black street tuner and smart tune pro, adjustments are made through altering the AFV (adaptive fuel value). It’s basically a dial that turns the fuel delivery up or down, depending on conditions and riding style. To actually re-map the calibration, it needs to be done on a dyno or through many data collection efforts made by riding with the VCI connected, while in data record mode.
Kris Kleitsch thanks for that.. so it’s a dynamic change 👍. FYI, The super tuner does work with the smart tune, they edited the software and you can now download specific maps for it..
Great questions. In talking with H-D Tech, the base map used in your tune is not changed. The Auto Tune always looks at the base tune then modified it according to the information recurved from all sensors including the wide band. This explains why it is so important to have the best Base mapping for your combination of performance parts. Your last question,”will it get progressively better?” No. will it keep a well tuned base map? Yes. Thanks ~ Doc
@@pr5x I stand corrected. In fact, they did add wideband maps to super tuner. They have also added 2017 and 2018 Milwaukee 8 maps. I tuned hundreds of bikes with super tuner but not M8 engines. That engine came out when they were going through the whole EPA shenanigans and Street Tuner was the only tuner that won't void your powertrain warranty. I don't use Smart Tune when tuning. I tune manually just like I did before H-D ever had closed loop EFI.
There are also some people confused because the super tuner (and street tuner) have "smart tune" functions. They work with the factory narrow band sensors and can only read and adjust the AFR between approximately 14.1-15.1 AFR. The Smart Tune PRO simply adds wideband O2 sensors that can read and adjust the AFR under all desirable AFR's. For years, I've told people there is no such thing as an "auto-tuner". Companies like Techno Research and H-D are more accurately described as Tune Builder or Smart Tune. I've lost count of how many performance evaluations I've done on things like Thundermax and had to explain why the $1000 "autotuner" they just bought is a joke and their bike runs like explosive diarrhea.
Like Doc just said, you do want a proper well-tuned map to start with so the bike can simply adjust for conditions because it won't re-map itself. And the learned Adaptive Fuel Value will still stay in the ECM memory, it only changes after the bike is operating.
@@kriskleitsch9173 thanks.. Really Helpful 👍
Will it help my 2014 ultra stage IV get a lil boost of power?
Not specifically more power, just run better.
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson "running better" should be in direct correlation with more power........
Can i use the smart tune pro with my SEPST?
Software changes so often. Have your tuner look up your Bike, Year and modifications and see if there is a wide band map before buying….Doc
Thank-you Doc for such an informative Video. Very well explained, and now I understand how the two SE parts function. I have a 2018 Anniversary SGS. Dealer has recommended the Fullsac M8 Headpipe (no cat), Screaming Eagle Heavy duty Stage 1 Air breather (keeping the same appearance), Screaming Eagle Pro Street Tuner, and the Screaming Eagle Smart Tune Proautomatic Tuning Module. Bike already has the 4" Rinehart Racing Pipes. I'm hoping that will REALLY wake up that 107". . . . .UPDATE. . . . All installed and it really woke up that 107!! Unfortunately, I am now hearing the odd loud "POP" on decel. Would a Dyno Tune fix this issue? Thank-you.
Do I need to tune my stock bike for slipons only
Vance Burks No.Only if you add a high flow air filter. He mentioned it in his other, what tuner to buy video
Will it void warranty what if your going to a 131 crate engine? Can this be used without voiding warranty and be used?
What about aftermarket exhaust with it will it void warranty
You can install a 131 with a warranty. Using the SE street tuner and the Wide band option is great for a touring application. Harley's warrenty covers Harley-Davidson Parts only...Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson what about doing stage one on it as in pipes and A/C with the wide band Screamin Eagle pro tuner?
G A thunder max Why not just put that on the bike from the factory so that the computer knows where it is in elevation. Not have to buy something else and then something else etc. etc.
mot ikswelborw yes a good upgrade but won’t keep your warranty
@@ChasCrewChief depends on what failed. Federal law states they would have to prove your tuner caused the failure. I beleive it is called the Magnuson Moss act. So, if say cam bearings failed they would have to honor the warranty. They are trying to scare you. Federal law states that if a certain part has to be used to maintain the warranty then that part must be provided free of charge. Just learn how to wrench your own scooter and don't worry about it. This guy has some really good info alot of times but remember he is acting as a Harley representitive on these videos and as such wants you to use nothing but Motor Company parts and labor. No harm no foul. Like I said, buy a manual and wrench it your self. I use a Thundermax and love it. They were one of the first if not the first to auto tune. But may well not be epa legal. Depends on which one you buy. They are excellent. And no damn add-ons to cause trouble.
Ron Hunter
Indeed I just bought the ThunderMax can’t wait to install it on my 2016 Ultra Limited and to install my Reinheart 4” Mufflers, Fuel Motto 2/1/2 Jackpot Header pipe. And Roland Sands Hi Flow Air Filter - Black Ops.
Stage upgrades that's why. Stage 1,2,3 and 4.
@@Big.Ron1 who has time to be playing the court game? Just do what they ask to keep your warranty, and still have the ability to keep renewing it.
Wait so I have have to buy the pro tuner for 300 and then also buy the auto turn er for another 400.....why wouldnt I just buy a fp3 and save money?
Because it will void your warranty
Does the Smart Tune Pro replace the stock ECM?
No it is an addition that lets the Factory ECM understand the Wide Band's information...Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Thank you sir
Does this eliminate the need to Dyno the bike
John Kohen I’m wondering the same thing! Has your question been answered yet?? I’d really like to know, thanks!
Not if you want the best performance.
can you tell me why my 2017 m8RGS pings at running temp its loud and looses power i have stage 4 all SE product and smart tune se spark plugs all work buy harley shop,been on dyno twice they cant fix it and i have a bike i cant ride . iam at the end of my rope who can help me.
Our first thought would be your oil pump. Original 2017 oil pumps can wetsump which would drag the motor and cause pinging. Check that you have the most updated pump. Another possibility is there are 2 maps one for narrow band and one for wide band for your Stage 4 Upgrade. If the wrong map is installed pinging may occur. Another is checking to make sure the correct fuel pressure is present to supply enough fuel for a Stage 4 Upgrade. Hope one of these helps solve your pinging issue.
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson thanks , yes I have a fueling pump cam plate fueling cam. Every time I go to dealer they to buy something else. Can you tell me how to fix this soon as it gets hot it pings its head off .every where all rev ranges
Yes dealer reckons hes done all that it has wide band o2 auto tune baker primary manual ajuster fueling cam and cam plate. I cant ajust a thing. HD cant get it to stop plunging, some said theres a 211 calibration up that takes 4 degrees of timing out when heads get to 200 on temp. Look thanks for your advice .iam at a loss, I have a bike I cant ride I cant trade it in .I tryd kawa to trade up on a h2 sports tour . They dont wont it. HELP PLEASE
Take some timing out of it........
It seems like technology that could, and maybe should, come stock in a Harley-Davidson. It certainly doesn’t sound right that one has to put an upgrade on top of an upgrade to get tech than many vehicle manufacturers already put in their products. This is almost as bad as not including WHIM capabilities inside the newly designed Boom! GTS; it would’ve cost virtually nothing!
Not stock because the stock doesn't require it. You have to get a stage upgrade to use that system. Why would they make the same performance for every product line? The CVO would not move if that's the case A lot of these tuners are an afterthought, and can about long after the bikes were made and sold.
@@tax905972 Any efi ecm that doesn't read MAP in 2020 is just rediculos in every regard.
AV84USA don’t ever buy a Mercedes-Benz or BMW.
Cry to the EPA. They're who mandated the narrow band system as factory stock.
My 18 heritage with stage 4 came with the pro street tuner. this tuner is not the right one for stage 4. It needs TTS tuning or Dynojet power vision software and dynoed..
I have a streetglide special 2018 Milwaukee 8 and just got the stage 3 done plus a 2 into 1 Bassani exhaust system plus the Smart tune, and the Pro tuner from Screaming eagle, do you think that I still need to dyno tune the bike or will the Smart tune combine with the pro tuner will tune my bike good ?
@@edwinparedesnjusa The smart tuner tries to hit fuel targets, that's it. It dosen't even control timing.
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What's the best factory offering for a 17 FXDLS? Was told by my dealer FXDLS came stock with stage 1 download and didnt need a download when I installed my exhaust. Wanting to little more perfected tune on my bike.
Don't tread on me did you replace the Factory mufflers or the whole exhaust? If just mufflers the stock factory Tune should compensate. Full exhaust and if you are looking for a perfected map for Your bike? Then a tuner can get you there
@@ChasCrewChief Bassani road rage 2 into 1. Tech and service manager said the stage 1 download from factory would suffice.
Can you use this with other products?
No, works best with Harley-Davidson® Products
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson , If his meaning of "Other products" is meaning aftermarket exhausts and performance air cleaners then i find your answer disingenuous. The whole point of the SEST and the dyno is to tune the bike with it's current setup, Then the "Pro" should auto tune from there.
I don’t know it just seems like you have to buy too many tuners the pro Street tune and then the smart tune Plus cables The price is 399 for the smart tune 299 for the pro tune before you know it you’re up to like $700 and that’s if you do the work yourself Harley Davidson is always trying to bleed their customers let’s not forget why you have to do this you just spent over a grand on exhaust and an air cleaner what a rip off
All motorcycles which have had exhaust and air cleaner upgrades should have fuel management upgraded as well... this isn't a Harley thing, this applies to all motorcycles. $300 for a fuel management kit like the Pro Tuner is no more or less expensive than any other competitive product on the market... the Smart Tune = no need to pay a Dyno tech to program your fuel map... the Smart Tune is absolutely not required.
I have a 2013 Fat bob and a 1985 Evo my Evo has a carby I set it and forget it , this Fat Bob tuning is just to much , evan the S/E Race Tuner ( orange ) was $350 , every time I turn around I'm putting my hand in my pocket , I spoke to the 1st owner of my F/B and he told me he left the sissybar on the bike , I didn't get it , well they tried to sell me one for $790 , this is here in Queens Land Australia , I mite sell the Fat Bob ?
Be careful. There is an old one that was recalled because it kind of... VW'ed the emissions. HD had to pay a fine. Many of these are being sold on Ebay. The other one you need to watch out for is used Screaming Eagle mated tuners that are locked to the previous bike. A whole new chip has to be installed in the used tuners to work. Usually they are the orange ones. Buy new from a reputable dealer (Utah HD online). People being bad on Ebay.
Plz help
In August 2016, the Milwaukee-based motorcycle manufacturer agreed to pay a $12 million civil fine and stop selling illegal after-market devices that caused its vehicles to emit too much pollution.
This is why our bikes are running the way they are from the factory and believe me all the customers paid that 12 million fine in one way or another but that's why is requirement for Harley to do the things they do the same with the excess oil trying to be burnt off in the intake. All right just a hair low of oil and I don't have a lot of blow by in my intake at all
Side note 2019 Softail Heritage 114
Thanks for sharing..Doc
Sounds expensive
It is.... 499 for that little piece of plastic. And the cabel is I believe 200 itself.
@@L.K.S.R. Smart Tune kit w/ cables and wide band sensor is $399 MSRP
There goes Harley Davidson again ripping off the riders
Meanwhile, at powervision...
Is it better to use the Harley-Davidson smart to nor have the dealership Dyno tune my bike?
Depends on your combination of parts
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson I have a 2019 Harley Davidson Fat Bob 114. I am going with Vance and Hines short shots and the Harley-Davidson heavy breather extreme.
Or you can install Vance and Hines fuel pack.
I have a smart tune is called Jets and for five bucks I can make it do what I want
That sounds so Fuel-ish😆…..🤷♂️Doc
No matter how many times I re-install this it will not work with the latest Windows 10 program. I continually get this error message: This folder, C/Program Files (x86)\ Street Tuner\Applications\Screamin Eagle Pro Street Tuner.exe specified in the Start in box is not valid. Make sure that the folder exists and that the path is correct. H-D is absolutely no help and this was not cheap. I guess I wasted my Money. I don't recommend this to anyone.
One bad apple should not stop everyone from making apple pies. You state "Harley" is no help. Are you speaking of the dealer? Have you called the Company Harley-Davidson Customer Service phone number? I agree Windows 10 is not easy to deal with on a program that was originally designed in 1998. It will work. There are plenty of Harley owners on the internet on reputible forums that can and will help. Please try again. Thanks ~ Doc
Heres a 30000 bike but if you want it to run right give me another 2 grand, thanks Harley
Nobody needs to buy these unless we start replacing components... this applies to all motorcycles
If you enjoy your bike as you bought it brand new. Yes. You leave it stock. Not for everyone
Harley daviDson
I really like your videos DOC, but you are being misleading on the smart tune pro. This product will only change VE tables but the air/fuel table is locked. So if you run 14.6 in cruising to mid throttle it will always stay there. Dont let them fool you. Again this product does not change AFR that's how it's still EPA compliant.
Buy one with a carburettor- simple.
Nah, I’m good with leaving carbs in the past. They were fine back in the day but modern FI is really good.
Screamin' Eagle® Smart Tune PRO ? HARLEY DAVIDSON IS GOING YO GET YOU. THEY ARE MONEY TUNE PRO
Why is any of this stuff an issue at all? You don't need to think about this with a car.
I love how Harley loves raping their customers bank accounts by force of threat of voiding their warranty. 😡 meanwhile the WHIM is falling apart after people spent $350 just for the product. My local HD dealer wanted to charge me $1500 to install new handle bars! God only knows how much this is going to run.... I will say the system sounds great though just gonna cost out the ass
Harley DaviDson not DaviSon
HAHAHA “it’s a no lose situation” yea right dude.. it’s a friggin rip off designed to pay off Harley’s EPA debt..
What B.S to have to buy two units only to still be EPA compliant..
Well said.
Just get an Vance & Hines FP 3.
exactly...SE a lil late to the party. love my fp3
gaknskk but it won’t keep your warrenty
@@ChasCrewChief I installed it on my 2016 sgs along with the stage 1 air breather a couple days after my warranty was up June of this year. I'm loving the the added torque and no decel pop and the ease of installation and not having to pay harley every time for them to reprogram the ecm for my future upgrades.
Torque cam will be next.
Ride on Brother !
@@ChasCrewChief I get different stories, different dealers.
@@gaknskk same here. debating between S&S 551 or the woods 222. Here in ohio i still got a good 3 months to decide and install. What cam are you looking at?
Hooo carburator please come back...
Rip off