Open Bar #77 - Aquaman 2, Rebel Moon, Jonathan Majors Guilty
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- čas přidán 23. 12. 2023
- Season's greetings, ya filthy animals! Join me, MauLer, Eric July, Shad Brooks, Chris Gore and Robert Meyer Burnett as we go over the new releases and latest news of the week.
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Can we just appreciate how nice a person Robert Meyer Burnett is? The man is an absolute well of pop culture knowledge and yet he never brags about it but instead shows genuine curiosity toward his fellow guests and asks them questions about their craft. A true gentleman if I ever saw one.
Have you ever seen him stream drunk? It’s hilarious, his niceness goes to level 9000.
Dude is amazing actually. He is authentic as it gets
Agree. He's awesome.
And he taught us all the word Verisimilitude.
Giving folks a quick rundown on Racka Racka and the Phillipou twins instantly won me over. Talk To Me was a stroke of brilliance made by CZcams alumni I've watched for a decade. ❤❤❤
Thanks for mentioning us @Robert Meyer Burnett. We're from Kumawood Ghana 🙂We just finished shooting part 2, which is gonna be the best movie ever, I promise 😁 @Critical Drinker, if Part 2 (coming out in 2024) is not your favorite movie of all time, I'll fly from Tokyo to Scotland, buy you one drink and fly right back.
a character that gets beaten but doesnt give up is more endearing that a character who never faces a single hardship? the shock
💯
Shad had to spend the first ten minutes fixing his ground harness. Otherwise he'd have fallen off the Earth. Such is life in Australia.
Poor fkrs have to deal with being upside down and the long bitter emu threat
Cue the flearthers 😅
Is Shad AI? I'm sure I heard somewhere that Australia isn't even real.
We could each donate 1 gravity each to help, it is Christmas afterall
The stream and the world would have been better off if he had. Such a steaming douchebag.
40:48 - 43:22 chris nails it.
"hollywood used to depict heroic actions, now they depict heroic identities."
Chris is the worst person in this panel. He literally virtual signals/panders to incels. MF complains about woke culture and women all the time.
hm, i fail to see the heroic part of those identities, but okay.
@@Tyarrk exactly. i should rephrase: they emphasize identities over actions now. immutable features above everything. and this shallow, degenerate mindset leads them to portray some identities as inherently heroic and others as evil or weak.
It took me 4 attempts to make it through Rebel Moon, I kept falling asleep, and I will say i was surprised at how many scenes from major hits ZS could steal and put into this movie. The opening scene is from Gladiator and so is the wheat field scene. The more i watched the more i noticed. It takes a hard try to be worse than Sucker Punch but he pulled it off…
So, you're telling us you gave Rebel Moon 4 views to see how crap it was. Don't give Netflix any views.
I enjoyed sucker punch, twas not good tho, but I had fun
@@nubby3050same. There wasn’t much in actual movie, but at least it was fun and had good looking scenes.
I tried watch it twice. Still haven’t seen it to completion and probably won’t.
@@craigcarroll3303get over yourself. Netflix still has better content than any other service. Vampire in the garden, sweet home, one piece, rurouni kenshin, blue eye samurai, yu yu hakusho, edgerunners, zom 100, onmyoji, I can go on for days. Yeah they allow unsavory content but they still have the best catalog out there by a long shot.
Panel: endlessly praises Godzilla
Godzilla: lol copyright strike
The kaiju has spoken 😂
I love when Robert’s around. He’s the reason I started watching more of Drinkers Happy Hour series.
“You can tell he was directly over the target by the amount of flack he received”. Brilliant!
RMB is vastly underutilised within these circles
He’s got his own stuff. You could watch him continuously and never run out of things to watch.
When RMB turned into the interviewer sometime around or a little before 2:20:00 it became really fascinating. It also highlighted a really neat fact, that in this stream we have three of the (if not the three KEY) men who are not just armchair quarterbacking it but have created books to participate in and change the culture themselves, and learning about their artistic process was fascinating and deserves to be made a "chaser"
I'm already working on my own version:
Rebel Poon. 😉
Rated M for mature 🤷🏼♂️😂
At 2:38.. Will, talking about the "Star Wars Holiday Special"... Christian Simpson (former Star Wars actor) upload a 5K enhanced version of it two weeks ago.. »» czcams.com/video/iJBN0p4Dlqs/video.html ..+..
Put Amber Heard in it. Rebel Poo
Brace yourselves boys, they're probably going to reboot the franchise as Aquama'am.
They could literally start the next movie with Aquama'am angry that she was misgendered for the last two movies and the you-know-whats would eat their slop like good little consoomers.
starring bri larson
How are you always at the front of the line?
Do not besmirch Ocean-Ma'am, she's a classy lady
Starring Amber Heard
Drinker has probably already passed out in a bog after drinking 12 gallons of concoction consisting of rum, scotch, egg nog, and Toilet Duck.
Heavy on the toilet duck!
Why Toilet Duck? Isn’t Toilet Duck back for people? Please, please don’t drink toilet duck, we need you
We try to hide the Toilet Duck but he always finds it!
DuckDuckGoooooo! Should definitely be a drinking game! Whoever finds any cohesive answer on the engine has to down a litre bottle!
Aaauuggghhhh!
I love everyone who showed up for this video, for real! However, RMB is a master class of knowledge and insight into the current topics. Ma$$ive respect to you RMB!
I grew up in south Texas. It hadn't snowed there in over 100 years. I wake up Christmas morning on day when I was a teenager to find snow on the ground. It was pretty fantastic.
Thank you, Robert, for all those good words about the old X-Men; I was there in 1977 when the "New" X-Men were just starting and I loved them. Still re-read those stories today. Hollywood is, as ever, half a century behind the times.
Always love seeing the great RMB, great combo with Chris Gore
Right? I'd watch a 2 hour podcast of them going back and forth about stories of the industry and creative ideas.
The segment where you, Shad and Eric talked about writing and were asked fantastic questions had to be the greatest highlight of this stream for me personally. Cheers.
Yeah, it's really nice hearing from everyone. Before it started I was hoping they would all speak, and they did. Half the panel is published authors.
Cept shad and Eric as writers…..kinda suck 😅
@@Zac_Frost he’s got chuck dixon on his team so hopefully he’s getting good lessons
I’ll eat my words if it gets better with time 🤷🏾♂️
this is straight up my favorite podcast right now. so good
This was a particularly good panel. Much insight. These guys provoke thought.
Brilliant line up, RMB was particularly good. Goodwill to you all, gentlemen!
As someone that's in the entertainment biz, I relish discussions like this. Thank the movie gods there are people like the Drinker and Chris Gore leading the charge! This was a great panel!
This is some incredible, high level, philosophical discussion on the essence and reason for storytelling as a bedrock for culture and civilization. Thoroughly enjoyable.
This is what I loved about the bar and what keeps bringing me back
Them complaining about women and woke culture. 😂 Yeah very philosophical. Pandering to Incel losers.
They are able to properly explain the reasons i havent watched tv in the last 6 years. I always thought "this story telling sucks, but why do i think it sucks?" (Other than the message)
It really helps when people act shocked when i say "no, actually i wont be watching myles morales"
Or
"No, i dont watch superheo movies at all. The last one i saw was iron man 3 and that was SH**"
And for the most part, everyone is allowed to finish their thoughts! Very orderly for a pub chat.
@@morganseppy5180 I think overtalking is a natural part of conversation although it is nice when a person has an opportunity to monologue
Get him to the Greek is truly a hidden gem. One of the best comedies since 2000.
FURRY WALL
The Jeffrey!
Now that's a mind fuck!
Has good soundtrack also 🤘🏾
Goes to hotel receptionist
"I'm looking for my friend"
"OK"
Starts spelling:
"H... E... R... O... I... N"
"Can you find that guest for me?"
Long pause
"Can you find that guest for me?"
This is why I like Shad. He gets why the original Disney “Sleeping Beauty” is such an incredible film! (Plus the way they incorporated Tchaikovsky’s ballet music in the film was incredible!)
Yea
Almost makes me get over his dumbass take on the super Mario bros movie
@@brandonspencer5594Not everyone can agree on everything. He’s got some takes I don’t agree with but overall he’s good
@@brandonspencer5594 Ôr his stance that he's a "professional" AI-"artist"?
@@tutorialslave jury still out on that one for me
@@tutorialslave Dood, you seem to have a massive hate boner for Shad. What's the reason for that?
Drinker, WOW! This panel is legendary. Classic live🔥🔥🔥
I feel old because I knew all of the references to The Host, Ice Pirates, stop motion skeletons… and I still have the Age of Apocalypse comics somewhere in the basement.
I felt old 20+ years ago when I heard the audio from Zulu in Gladiator, and no one knew what I was talking about! 😂
Hopefully, in 2024, we can get some great, original movies. Merry Christmas. 🎄🎉
That would be a true Christmas miracle
Rob Meyer Burnett is the man!!
Oh thank goodness, it survived copyright 😅
Robert's take on the subversion of JRR Tolkien's vision, and the spinoff effects therefrom that we see in the Star Trek universe, should be required listening for every junior high literature class. Mic drop.
Can someone pull Shad aside and ask him not to eat during the livestream, or at the very least mute himself while he chews? Fucking hell.
It will probably work as well as telling him to shut up about AI "art".
Oooohhh yes. Just in time for a my 2.5hr round trip drive tonight. Merry Christmas to you and yours sir..
Loved the part of the video about books and writing. Always like hearing Drinker's experiences.
Cool points for the Buffy reference 😊
Good point on Aliens too. I appreciated the movie even more after becoming a mother! Legit the feels I had rewatching it and then understanding.
Top notch audio….Shad chewing into a live mic and giving takes while chewing: Love ya Shad but hit that MUTE! 😂
I was just about to post about that. I had to take my headphones off.
I'm surprised Mauler didn't say anything, he normally does without hesitation (See the Lord of the rings review with his reaction to Wolf😂). Maybe because it's drinkers show dunno?
@@josephkerrigan733 😂 shorts/RPlidMVTJVI
@@josephkerrigan733probably yeah... if it was on EFAP either him or Rags would have immediately said something
Outstanding guests this week. Merry Christmas everybody!
Marvel went from major blockbusters 1998 - 2019 to a Case Study by 2023 ,,,DAMN
Love seeing highly competent, intelligent men doing great things. 👍🏾
Congrats, gentlemen, this woman salutes you all. 🫡
On the subject of Zack Snyder, I think his big problem is he doesn't understand how plot elements slot together. He can spot a good idea, but then he just shoehorns it in without any conception of how to make it fit. The best example is all the dialogue he ripped off from The Dark Knight Returns when he made Batman Vs Superman. It was all great dialogue, but it landed like a lead balloon because it had no context. He doesn't seem to grasp the basic concept of story structure.
I can't speak for others, but one thing that makes me crazy is people talking while they're eating.
It’s so awesome to see this group of people with varying opinions, politely talking, and most importantly LISTENING and HEARING each other. They take what is said with open arms and as a result synthesize even more complex and put together thoughts and ideas. This show is a model of how discourse among multiple people should occur.
thx for the re-upload. this is my favorite episode ever
Yeah TOHO took the original down.
Best panel I've seen on here yet
In a way, the effects of globalization that Robert Meyer Burnett is talking about on the movie industry could also apply to the videogame industry as well. It's faring better than the movie industry because of how easy it is to milk playerbases into mindlessly consuming the slop but it will eventually reach the breaking point too, especially when you consider how most new releases are trying so hard to be movies that they rack up insanely high budgets.
The thing about games is that theres a stronger network effect. Eg if all your friends watched rebel moon, you dont have to watch it as much as if all your friends are playing the new CoD, you'll have to play it. Put simply, theres no multiplayer in movies
@@jonathangrey2183 I wouldn't say that's the core issue but it definitely contributes to making things worse. Worst issue the gaming industry has been dealing with (and ironically what also makes it more resilient to reaching the breaking point than the movie industry), even more so than the woke brainrot, is the rampant monetization that has been plaguing games for years now. Season passes, DLCs, skins, loot boxes, raid boosts, etc. All of these, plus the ever increasing price tags on the base game serve to suck out every penny they can out of players. Combine that with a fanbase afflicted with borderline stockholm syndrome that will blindly defend even the scummiest of practices and you get a model that makes it easier for studios to recoup their losses. Granted, it's already starting to show cracks in the dam.
@@dodolord6298 I agree with all that, but there are a LOT more choices for games than there are for movies, and hour for hour, you'll get a lot more value for money out of games than movies (going to the theater, perhaps more parity for streaming services).
John Q. Normie probably is fine with paying $200 a year on 2 different AAA games with season passes and a few cool weapon skins, because he'll play for 50-200 hours.
Compare that to paying $15-20 for going to a theater for 2.5 hours and not enjoying the movie.
@@jonathangrey2183yeah but increasing a games base price to 100$ isn't a guaranteed thing like a movie. Paying 20$ for a movie that's only 2 hours you'd still get value because you could just watch the whole thing, but paying 100$ for a 100 hour game and not liking it will result in you not playing it for more then like an hour. Games shouldn't cost more because the higher they go the less likely new people who aren't sure if they'll like it will be willing to spend on it initially. Ironically I think micro transactions would be the healthier way of increasing revenue if done correctly, but because of the hate games are having their base prices increased instead of the more sensible thing being to just make micro transactions worthwhile and not scammy lmao
I cannot hear “the message” without the drinker voice and effect now! 🤣
I cannot either hear “weird” without the cringe voice of Ziegler 🤢🤢🤢
Great vids as usual guy, keep up the good work and merry Christmas to you all!
Robert, I had a doctorate professor who insisted that the human body had been marginalized by the bourgeois ideology, that's why people TALKED in theater, when "originally" theater was an expression of the BODY (à la Cirque du Soleil). Of course she ignored that ALL cultures throughout the world since prehistoric times TOLD stories not through dance and gymnastics, but through words, because that didn't suit her ideology, and if you brought it up, she would say it was a lie. Why? Well, because she made money off it, both with her circus troupe she called a theater company and the research scholarship she god from Rockefeller Foundation and other crap woke place4s like that. Also because she was a Chilean activist who literally hated Europe and the US, but gleefully accepted money from American foundations, if you get my meaning. These people are not just hypocrites, they're vile in the worst possible way.
You guys joke about Christmas being snowy and white, but I’m sitting here on Christmas Eve in northern Minnesota with green grass and rain. Good news for all the crazy drivers. Bad news for anyone wanting a real Christmas.
I haven’t seen a snow fall in New York since 2020
@@iDeathMaximuMII Where in NY do you live? I'm in the Central NY Valley, and I have snow outside my apartment right now. Not much, but we did have a semi-white Christmas this year. It was like 20 below, snowed in, and frozen over last year.
Prolly to the south and east of you here in Minnesota and I'm friggin hating this weather >
@@earthrot666 Were you getting the rain, the freezing rain, or the thunder?
@@Nickle_King just rain but the temps are supposed to drop tonight
I wouldn’t be surprised if the script for Rebel Moon was written by AI. Such a shame we live in these times.
I have no experience of dealing with management in the world of movie making but I have a lot of experience in the world of industry. The current philosophy can be summarized as follows:
"Let's have a meeting to decide when we will have a meeting to put "THE ISSUE" on the table..... then we send an email to everybody in the company (I.E. when something goes wrong, it's not our fault, everybody knew about it).... and we can have another meeting to appoint a committee to have meetings to discuss "THE ISSUE" and..... sorry, I'm a bit lost, what was THE ISSUE?"
If they behave like this it's easy to understand where the problem is and where the money is going.
P.S. I forgot 2 points:
1) The bosses who preside over the various meetings have extreme difficulty deciding which pizza to order for the next meal.
2) Their knowledge of the "ISSUE" is equal to a zero split in two.
I never made it to that level. I was the guy who had to tell the workers to smile as they "did more with less".
@@jice7074 Almost the same level here: I'm the software developer they called to all the bloody meetings to explain why eggs are rounded and bricks are squared.
On one famous occasion they began with: "We absolutely don't know what you do or how you do it but we have some ADVICE on what you should do and how to do it."
It's gotten to a point now where you just can't trust a movie to be good anymore.
It's an interesting time where I feel like ads for a film legitimately do nothing for me.
I was already at that point with Marvel and Disney products but the Barbie trailer which completely fooled me into thinking it would be a fun chilled out movie, made me realise that the trailers are just worthless at convincing me of a films quality.
@@josephkerrigan733💯💯
@@josephkerrigan733 Also, sometimes trailers are better than the actual movies.
@@chasehedges6775 Yeah I feel like it should be an accepted fact now that trailers are only valuable for letting you know a film exists. No-one should believe a film has any value based on the trailer alone.
@@josephkerrigan733 Exactly
2:26:00 Thank you for RMB asking 3 published authors about their work process. It was very interesting to listen.
We don't get upside down Christmas like you guys. We get normal Christmas LOL
Just wanted to put this out there: Candyman, as directed by Nia Decosta, was lukewarm dogshite. It rode the coattails of the original literally beat for beat while disrespecting the actual fucking Candyman. Imagine going to see Nightmare on Elm St and instead of Robert Englund, it was a crackhead version of the janitor from Scream. It was like Spiral being attached to the Saw franchise.
If she was cast as a director, it'd make sense it was for The Marvels, the most contraversial and vapid projects in the MCU. Good job, ladies.
She promised that Tony Todd was gonna be in the movie. What a bait and switch, which resulted in him being in the final 10 seconds of the movie... as a CGI face. 🙄
Screw that movie and screw Jordan Peele for producing it.
Agreed. When that movie ended I was like "really, was that it?" Could hardly bear the ham-fisted messaging throughout the movie (the police sequence at the end? give me a break lmfao).
She's a terrible director how do you make Candyman boring as hell
I was in the toy aisle and I was like Aquaman BETTER have all this stuff in it. And it had ALL 3 things I wanted, and liked it because it was dumb fun.
1. Aquaman in orange and green.
2. Lobster people.
3. "Sharks with giant freakin' laser beams."
Merry Christmas Drinker. ...and as always never black out face down 🎄🎁
Merry Christmas to the whole panel and thank you all for your insights on movies and tv. Here’s hoping for more great shows in the new year.
Thanks for getting this out so close to the holidays
16:26 Chris sad butt light year and drinker started laughing and Chris shrugged and I started laughing because I was like yes its budd light year not butt light year and then I realised a minute later wait it was buzz lightyear and that was the joke😂😂
You know as someone who buys a lot of independent music on bandcamp and alike, I get what R.M.B. is saying...2024 I've got some releases coming out, it's taken me a lot of years to focus what my fans want...yeah I'm not gunna be a millionaire, but to be able to have fans come watch what I do and be genuinely happy means more!
The vast amount of movies I watch are martial arts movies. Shout has released Shaw Brothers boxed sets which are great. I have so many older movies to watch that I don't need anything new.
that was probably one of the best Open Bar, with the quality of the guests and the depth of the discussions where everyone participated almost equally
Shad your statement about the Woke Minority burning down established characters to build theirs up had something pop into my head. See if you agree with this statement I had...destroying the things that I love will not make me love the things you want me to love. For example it had me thinking about Doctor Who, how they want me to desperately cash in all the wonderful moments from the episodes I love from the Classic Doctor Who Doctors, they are swimming around in my mind as I type this, and replace them with every bad idea they've forced into the show and call me a blankety blank for rejecting it. I will not accept their vision over visions from franchises I love that are warm and fuzzy memories.
I agree with leftists on a lot of things but they seriously miss the point on the whole "manufactured consent" thing; just because society came up with the media that shapes our mentality, doesn't mean that our mentality is dependent upon the media society assigns them.
To use their own framing: People don't love LOTR because the patriarchy made us watch it; it's the reverse, the patriarchal ideas are strong _because we fell in love with_ LOTR.
We _did_ have state-assigned propaganda all throughout the 1950s, featurettes literally telling teenagers how to behave at the dinner table; and those films are universally laughed off as a feeble time-capsule of failed human engineering.
Even looking at all the leftist type media I thoroughly enjoy, it's because I fell in love with it as it's own unique thing, not an obligatory quota.
I like Ellie in HBO Last of Us because she's a psychotic little shit who tries really hard to put on a tough front but falters; not because she's a female version of Atreus. I like Snapcube's letsplays because she's a hilariously petty scream-session who can't focus to save her life and keeps getting into friendship-ending arguments with inanimate NPCs; not because she's a trans version of Jacksepticeye.
If you want your new thing to be liked make it funny, not an obligation.
Op they KNOW that. They just want to remove anything aspirational for the next generation so they are placid and complacent
Finally caught the reupload after Toho killed the livestream in my open window. Wonderful panel this time around.
Merry Christmas, everyone!
Yay, great work Drinker and friends!
The modern super hero is like Syndrome from the Incredibles. If everyone is super, no one is. This is about deconstructing everything. You dont actually raise anyone up in the end, you just lower the standard until there is none.
“When everyone’s super, no one will be.”
Iconic line
CZcams is my go to place for Korean TV. I haven't seen an US show in years. ( I only read subtitles)
1:45:40 there’s an active sect of some “folks” that think many bird names are racist and sexist, and are trying to get these names changed. As an amateur zoologist, I find this appalling. Also mouse tit is a great name for a bird.
Damn you Chris Gore for getting this video flagged!! 😂😂
That was Frank Gore 😂😂
I don’t quite agree with RMB about Disney always having been a girls brand. I think Disney has always cornered the market on the princess branding and as such has always seen any reach outside of that lane as a risk. If you look at some of their middle era works, some of the more memorable films (fox and the hound, great mouse detective, Robin Hood, etc) are less of the traditional “Disney Princess” type films. I think with the financial failure of several of these types of films in the early 2000s, and with Disney becoming more risk averse generally, Disney decided to lean into their niche more and more, resulting in becoming the feminine brand you see today
I didn't know Drinker was a true writer. Publishing books don't necessarily make you a writer. But hearing him talk about it was great, he is a true writer at heart. Happy Solstice 🐾
If you write, you're a writer. If you write and get paid for it, you're a professional writer.
@@samwallaceart288 the word I should use is Author. But then people say, if you're published you're an author. Story Creator may be another label, but none of these labels can express what the true meaning is. Language limits. Listen to Drinker talk about his characters, and if you know, you know. ☕
Beer 🍺 & wine 🍷 and merry Xmas y’all.
Videogames may be the future, but more and more you can’t get a new videogame completely on a disc. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to buy a new game on physical media and play it without connecting to the internet in order to play it, whether to download day one patches or just having digital rights management checks.
Shad is right. Community has some of the best writing ive ever seen in a show.
season 1, outstanding. from then onwards the writing becomes a joke
Merry Christmas everyone!!
Had to do this cuz you never have timestamps :)
06:39 📉 Hollywood faces the worst year in a generation with strikes, box office bombs, and leadership vacuum.
08:30 🔄 Warner and Paramount rumored merger raises questions about the financial state of major studios.
09:55 🎬 Quality of recent movies and media has been shocking, with a decline in creativity and originality.
11:28 💸 Massive budgets of blockbuster movies raise concerns about where the money is actually being spent.
19:57 🎥 Lack of directors with a background in visual effects contributes to the rising costs and declining quality of CGI-heavy films.
21:05 🎥 The discussion highlights concerns about the changing landscape of the entertainment industry, particularly in Hollywood, and the challenges faced by mega-corporations in adapting to these shifts.
23:10 🔄 Despite claims of depoliticizing, the video suggests that certain franchises, like X-Men, still exhibit a focus on specific themes, potentially limiting creative diversity.
24:20 🦸♀ The X-Men reboot is rumored to be female-focused, excluding prominent male characters. The discussion questions the industry's shift and its impact on storytelling and audience engagement.
30:51 🤖 The conversation delves into the role of AI in filmmaking and its potential disruption of traditional guild agreements, foreseeing AI-driven content creation, especially in children's programming.
37:22 🌐 The emergence of independent creators leveraging platforms like CZcams and AI tools is seen as a potential future, emphasizing the authenticity of creators in contrast to the perceived inauthenticity of major studios.
45:17 🦸♂ Superheroes are no longer aspirational figures but are portrayed doing normal, mundane things, losing the essence of wish-fulfillment and escapism in modern comics.
46:53 📉 The comic book industry, especially Marvel and DC, is facing challenges, and the traditional direct market setup is criticized as illogical and unsustainable.
47:48 💰 Marvel and DC are seen as the "sugar daddies" of the comic book industry, sustaining losses that may not be sustainable, leading to potential fundamental changes in the next half-decade.
49:39 🔄 Many creators are reluctant to admit industry issues, and ideological differences have fueled conflicts, hindering potential solutions to industry challenges.
51:18 🎞 Embracing classic works and accepting the potential downfall of current franchises is seen as a consolation, preserving the legacy of well-loved characters despite the industry's challenges.
01:04:26 🌐 Foreign films succeeding, Hollywood should learn from them. They focus on classic heroism and relatable stories, avoiding identity-driven narratives.
01:05:33 🎥 Hollywood now prioritizes heroic identities over heroic actions, as opposed to earlier depictions in classics like Lord of the Rings.
01:06:44 💻 Netflix released viewership numbers for 18,000 shows, highlighting their vast content library and global reach.
01:07:53 🎬 Despite Netflix's varied content, from questionable shows like "Cuties" to great ones like "Arcane," they contribute to global entertainment diversity.
01:09:28 🦸♂ Aquaman 2 is described as a generic, inoffensive superhero film, lacking passion, with a self-contained story but likely to underperform due to changing audience perceptions.
01:24:41 🎬 The financial losses in the film industry, with movies like Aquaman 2, highlight the unsustainable spending vs. returns, leading to significant deficits.
01:25:10 💰 Movie studios, especially Disney, face challenges as they consistently release big-budget films without significant returns, impacting their overall profitability.
01:25:38 📉 Timing and audience reception play a crucial role in a movie's success, as evidenced by the discussion on how the release timing of Aquaman 2 could have affected its box office performance.
01:26:50 🦸♂ Different perspectives on superhero movies, with varying opinions on the enjoyment of films like Aquaman, reflecting the diverse tastes within the audience.
01:29:18 🌐 The shift in audience interest from mainstream superhero content, with a growing preference for standalone, non-connected stories, as seen in Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom.
01:45:28 🎭 Hollywood's tendency to prioritize ideology over storytelling in recent years is criticized, citing examples from Star Trek.
01:50:06 🔄 The discussion explores the idea of a "scorched Earth" policy for major entertainment companies facing controversies, suggesting a thorough cleanup and reboot.
01:53:02 🦸♂ Jonathan Majors being found guilty of assault raises questions about the future of his role as Kang in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
01:54:14 🚫 The impact of cancel culture and controversies on Hollywood celebrities, contrasting examples of narcissism with more grounded figures like Henry Cavill.
02:00:16 🚀 Initial impressions of Zack Snyder's "Rebel Moon" are negative, with criticism directed at its lack of originality and messy execution, drawing parallels to other sci-fi films like "Battle Beyond the Stars."
02:07:01 📽 Zack Snyder's "Rebel Moon" is criticized for feeling like a compromised, generic sci-fi movie with AI-inspired shots and elements from '80s sci-fi, lacking cohesion and vision.
02:08:40 🎬 The panel considers Zack Snyder's "Army of the Dead" as a significant disappointment, with criticisms ranging from incompetent storytelling to missed opportunities in the plot.
02:13:36 📝 Zack Snyder is acknowledged for his ability to create visually appealing action sequences but is criticized for his shortcomings in writing, with suggestions that he should focus on his strengths and collaborate with proficient writers.
02:17:44 📚 The discussion extends to a broader critique of the lack of literary understanding in modern filmmaking, emphasizing the importance of reading and studying literature for effective storytelling.
02:24:36 🖋 The importance of understanding characters deeply before writing is highlighted by the guests, emphasizing the value of creating detailed character profiles and universe bibles to ensure consistency and authenticity in storytelling.
02:31:04 🚨 The Completionist controversy: The CZcamsr faced criticism for keeping charity funds for a decade, leading to a damaged reputation and potential legal issues.
02:32:39 🦸♂ Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) challenges: Discussion on the MCU's struggles, lack of clear direction, and potential issues with upcoming films like Deadpool 3.
02:42:00 🤔 Hanging threads in Marvel movies: Mention of unresolved storylines and the confusion surrounding the future of the MCU, especially with the absence of clear plans for Avengers films.
02:46:10 😬 Young Avengers speculation: Speculation on the potential formation of the Young Avengers with characters like Ironheart, Kate Bishop, and more, and the humorous take on Marvel's attempts to diversify and replace iconic heroes.
02:48:45 🌌 Star Wars struggles: Discussion on the decline of Star Wars, from the sequel trilogy's diminishing box office returns to the scraping of the bottom of the barrel for new content ideas.
02:49:26 🎥 Star Wars struggles: The speaker criticizes the lack of recent Star Wars films, questioning decisions like focusing on a Rey movie for the franchise's future.
02:51:06 🌌 Rise of Skywalker critique: The speaker expresses strong dissatisfaction with "The Rise of Skywalker," deeming it possibly the worst big-budget space film ever made.
02:54:06 🎄 Favorite Christmas songs: The panel shares their favorite Christmas songs, with diverse choices ranging from traditional classics to unconventional picks like "Die Hard Theme."
02:57:09 🧟 Cursed film: The panel discusses the belief that the film "Poltergeist" is cursed, mentioning the use of real human bones in the production.
03:01:44 🎭 Upcoming projects: One of the panelists announces an upcoming audio drama adaptation of Max Allan Collins' detective novels and encourages anticipation for its crowdfunding in 2024.
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Can’t get enough Robert Meyer Burnett. Can’t get too little of Shad Brooks.
I literally can't tell the difference?
When RMB was asking Critical and Rippa all about their writing and process and leaving out Shad, I was rolling. Not because I don't like Shad, just because Shad has written a book and has talked about it a lot, and apparently, RMB had no idea....and you knew Shad was gonna jump in there and talk about it no matter if he was asked or not
O yes he was. I was waiting for it "Well Robert ya know when IIIIIIIii write my books....."
@@Joe45-91 glad someone else so that too!
I wouldn't call Shad a writer... or an artist, for that matter. The same goes for Eric as he's not even three of his own books in and already comparing himself to Chuck Dixon unironically.
@@tutorialslave it is amazing how quick almost every CZcamsr develops an ego. And the crew around Gary has handled it, compared to other CZcamsrs well. It makes you wonder how these big time politicians and tech people even fit their heads in the door if this what even a little fane does to you.
@@tutorialslaveCertain members of Mauler's discord server roasted Shad's book for a month in vc. It was hilarious.
You (Greenwich England) ARE the prime time zone. The US east coast is officially Z-5 (or 6 depending on time of year). We're literally timed in reference to you.
I can see them not doing Magneto for a while. He has been in just about every X-men movie so far. There are a ton of different antagonists to focus on, which they are now doing.
Oh come on, you know they're gonna do Miss Sinister or some other 2010+ trash comic
There is a trend that in last 10 years, writers/directors usually pick lesser known villians.
Reason : They can mould story the way they like it.
The money is going up the producers' noses.
New to podcasts and have to say the best intro 😂😂
I’m not saying anything about Zack Snyder here. But I’m noticing that anytime he’s brought up a stream, people mention what a great guy he is. People that have never met him. It’s just a curiosity that I’ve noticed. I know very little about the guy, but I do know a talking point when I see one.
It wouldn't surprise me if Robert Meyer Burnett's actually met the guy.
I'd say, from what I've seen in interviews and such, Snyder seems like a genuine fan of comics and film-making. You can at least discuss things with him even if you highly disagree.
He's extremely self-aggrandizing (even masturbatory, in my opinion) and highly opinionated, sure. Yet when you step back from the art and speak with the artist, you kinda get what he was going for or trying to achieve.
Compare his regard for his work and the work of other colleagues to Nia Decosta's entire attitude regarding The Marvels and the MCU. "I have no clue what the fuck i was filming...", leaving the project right when it went into post-production, and having no love for or knowledge of the culture whatsoever.
As much as i dislike Snyder, i'd still rather have a dinner and discussion with him than Nia. 😂
@@RecluseBootsy See that is what I don't get with Zack Synder. If he is a Genuine Fan of comics... how did he tank DC?
"I have no clue what the fuck i was filming..." could apply to Synder in a heartbeat.
Synder has wasted so many storylines, so many great actors, and an entire superhero franchise on top of that... I don't think discussing things with him could bear fruit. He just feels like someone that gets to fail upward with no consequence.
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I believe he specifically said that he did not. RMB is an industry insider but he’s below the line so he’s going to know a lot of the production staff. Not the big names
Best panel ever in my opinion, everyone has very well thought out points and interesting things to say. Nobody talks over eachother. Very good.
We need Manflesh! Powerful, sweaty and handsome 80s Manflesh.
A highly corporatized business model is not the primary reason for Hollywood’s continued downfall.
Krull is such a great shoutout! One of my favorite movies ever. Simple good vs evil with their lightsaber being a glaive. Effing awesome!
Mags was handy selected by ZS.😂
Right?! Incomprehensible unless it’s a political play, as has been discussed. 🙄
For now the black and white version of Godzilla minus one will only be released in Japan in the end of January. I choose the right time to move to Japan it seems.
I'm currently trying to read the Rogue and Gambit miniseries, and there are separate pages for creator credits and in the story has a page where you see a screenshot of texting between Destiny and Mystique. Does it matter to the story? Don't know, didn't read that page because I bought a comic to see some comic art and storytelling. The story so far after 2 issues is the epitomy of "And Then" with Black Panther literally dropping in on a lost Rogue and Gambit in some roadside bar 50 miles from Vegas.
Ok, but the "Iron They." 🤣
The Woke are ambitious and energetic and ruthless, but they lack several key elements of that creative fire that is a basic requirement for entertaining entertainment.
Fascinating discussion.
I've never watched a Marvel or DC movie. Not one.
I have, however, watched every review and analysis from each of you guys for over 5 yrs.
It's considered analysis like this stream that people truly appreciate.
Kudos to the Nerds for being the pointy end of the spear in the culture war. 🤓
Nice timing, needed a laugh after learning man utd news earlier 😆great seeing robert on 👍
until this point i thought robert meyer and chris gore were the same person, seeing them both at the same time destroyed my theory.
Merry Christmas Drinker!
I've watched Jason and the Arganauts, so I vaugley remember the stop motion skeleton battle. And I once watched this old hercules movie where there was a battlea stop motion animated hydra. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about?
AWESOME POINT on motherhood and the true power of the feminine! We need to hear this point brought up more often because today our girls are shown the only way to be a hero is to become masculine; so sad. Kudos to Robert for bring this point up!!!
Can we talk about the Harry Potter “Buckbeak” reference in Rebel moon???it’s literally stolen from the prisoner of Azkaban he rides a hipogriff
The whole movie feels like scenes you've seen before
I don’t even think that’s the problem, the question is… why the hell was that scene even in the movie?? His ability to ride a hipogriff isn’t used in any manner throughout the rest of the film…. It’s just this weird random segment to introduce this weird random character
@@PWizz91It's not in the movie now than that? It's on the promotional posters for gosh sake.
First time that I hear Robert on the open bar, he was an absolute delight.
The problem with Drinker thinking Perlmutter kept Fiege in check is that Perlmutter had been out of the movies of Marvel since 2016. He’s also the one responsible for the crap Disney+ shows and we wouldn’t have gotten RDJ as Tony Stark as he was heavily against his hiring and subsequent contract extensions. Perlmutter wasn’t someone keeping a leash on Fiege as he was just a penny -pinching businessman who doesn’t understand art. Which was Robert’s point.
13:24. This is completely random but that in sync moment between Drinker and Shad. 😄
I think the movie industry forgets the real fans of comic books have to cosign the comic book movie being good to get the normies to watch it.